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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another episode of All the Smoke. Fam Oh,

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Speaker 1: I see you're giving me pans now because you probably

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Speaker 1: got some sweaty as hands anyway, not today. We got

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Speaker 1: our brother man Paul George in the building. Man, appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time. Just finally got you here. We were trying

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Speaker 1: to long overdue. We've been trying to grab him since

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Speaker 1: last season, but we got him here. Man, how are

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Speaker 1: you in the family doing. I'm good. I'm good. I

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Speaker 1: heard you just question. I'm ready. It's time, man, I'm thirty. Wife,

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Speaker 1: you just turned thirty. I mean it was time. We're

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Speaker 1: going into a new phase, new chapter in our lives.

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Speaker 1: So you know, that's that's what I was waiting on.

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Speaker 1: She ain't know I was waiting on that momentum of

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Speaker 1: us turning thirty. But you know, I just I just

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Speaker 1: realized it um, and it's it's dope. When you get

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Speaker 1: to that maturity level where you you recognize when you

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Speaker 1: do need to grow your ship up and take it

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Speaker 1: to the next level. So we're in a good space.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to see that meat because me. I've been

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Speaker 1: preaching because I made a lot of mistakes with women,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I've been preaching, especially

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Speaker 1: young black men, to find him a woman and build

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Speaker 1: with that woman because all the baby mama ship that

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Speaker 1: can end and all the money you can spend that

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Speaker 1: can ruin your life easily. And we worked too hard,

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Speaker 1: so hard to get to this point. So I commend

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Speaker 1: you on taking that step because I'm preaching that to

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Speaker 1: more young black men. Relations How is uh COVID been

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Speaker 1: treating I mean, you're kind of an isolated person. You

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Speaker 1: like to chill, so probably COVID really hasn't affected. Everyone's

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Speaker 1: stayed healthy. You've been just chilling and working out in

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Speaker 1: your Yeah. I just you know, a game man. I'd

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Speaker 1: be on the game. I chop it up with the homies.

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Speaker 1: We on you know, party, chats on the game all day.

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Speaker 1: Jack thinks he could play the game too. CLD. I

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Speaker 1: see that. I see that We're gonna have to connect

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Speaker 1: on you. But you know what I mean, I'm a

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Speaker 1: I'm a laid back, chill, low key person. Um, that's

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Speaker 1: just how I been. You know, I ain't really the

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Speaker 1: one to be in the scene and be out, I

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Speaker 1: kicked back, I chill. I got little ones now to

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Speaker 1: to to post up with. So that just be my vibe. Now,

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Speaker 1: what's fatherhood like. It's dope. It's dope, man, especially my

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Speaker 1: oldest is six. Baby girl just turned three, uh about

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Speaker 1: a girl dad full lou. It's dope to see yourself

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Speaker 1: in you know, a little a little girl version of Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's it's just a different world, man.

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Speaker 1: It's a different joy of different excitement to be able

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Speaker 1: to be in the fatherhood. Uh. You know, I grew

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Speaker 1: up with two parents. My my my dad was in

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Speaker 1: my my life, my whole life, um, you know, and

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Speaker 1: so it's it's just dope to have to remember those

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Speaker 1: moments you had with your pops and then be able

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Speaker 1: to create moments with your little ones and didn't find

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Speaker 1: the similarities in between it. So, um, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's an awesome experience. That's what's up. Um the bubble.

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Speaker 1: How I was someone who from the beginning, just like yo,

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Speaker 1: we're taking and people they make a bunch of money,

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Speaker 1: they'll be fine. But I was just thinking about the

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Speaker 1: human aspect. We're taking people during a pandemic, during a

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Speaker 1: crazy racial field president fueling fires left and right, but

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Speaker 1: we're putting you guys in the isolated bubble, something that's

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Speaker 1: never been done. How offing the NBA for making sure

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Speaker 1: you guys were safe first and foremost. But what was

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Speaker 1: the experience, the human side of it outside of playing

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Speaker 1: who actually spoke on the mental aspect, and how tough

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Speaker 1: it was for you at times being in that bubble,

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Speaker 1: isolated from your family in the world. Right, it was hard.

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Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. It was hard. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: up until this point ten years in. You know, you

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Speaker 1: used to the you know, five star hotels. You used

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Speaker 1: you used to living in the hotels. But it's it's

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Speaker 1: was just a different environment. And then too because where

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Speaker 1: I mean? Are are we? I think we was only

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Speaker 1: we was the only hotel that didn't have outside balconies.

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Speaker 1: The other two uh um hotels that the other teams

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Speaker 1: like go see Milwaukee. You gotta go see the Lakers,

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Speaker 1: like we all in the same and so I ain't

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Speaker 1: I ain't like I ain't the one to kick it

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Speaker 1: with others, like you're trying to win a championship, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like and so for us to

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Speaker 1: to see other cats on the campus, and um, it

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Speaker 1: was just hard. Like you face time and your your

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Speaker 1: just at at some point you start to break and

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Speaker 1: it's like man, what am I doing here? Like this

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Speaker 1: ain't it right here? Like I understand we're trying to

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Speaker 1: win a championship and that's the focus, but it's just

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Speaker 1: everything got to line up for this to happen, right,

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Speaker 1: and um, you know to to to you know what

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Speaker 1: it is. I give I tip my hats off to

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Speaker 1: the Lakers for being able to accomplish that. Um, but

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Speaker 1: myself I struggle with it. I had a hard time

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Speaker 1: me playing for that team and still being close to

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Speaker 1: You know, you hear there was some rumblings in the

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Speaker 1: locker room and stuff was a little rougher than we

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Speaker 1: thought it would be. Um, you guys seem to make

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Speaker 1: it work and put it together as much as you can.

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Speaker 1: What do you guys feel like, obviously with the letdown

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Speaker 1: of last season, what do we eat the store for

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Speaker 1: this upcoming season? Personally from you, but from a team

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Speaker 1: as a whole. For me, you know, because a lot

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Speaker 1: of a lot of people like I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: work out and I trained hard every summer. Right. This

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Speaker 1: was the first summer I wasn't able to do that

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Speaker 1: was the first summer I wasn't able to do that

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Speaker 1: the team was already you know what I mean, rolling,

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Speaker 1: They already got you know what I mean. We didn't

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Speaker 1: working on my game, the timing right. So when I

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Speaker 1: I just fell off, like I didn't feel like a

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Speaker 1: I was being used, I felt like I was you know,

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Speaker 1: Doc was trying to play me as like a Ray

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Speaker 1: like I could do it. But that ain't my game,

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Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean. I need some flow,

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Speaker 1: I need some mixes and picking rolls, I need some

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Speaker 1: post ups, just different touches, you know what I mean. Um.

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Speaker 1: And So it was just, you know that last season

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Speaker 1: was just hard overall. But I think for this year,

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Speaker 1: you know, we everybody's starting off on on a healthy page.

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Speaker 1: We're starting off on the same page. UM. Me and

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Speaker 1: Kauaire gonna get some time together working out. Um. I

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Speaker 1: think everything is just not rushed going into this season.

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Speaker 1: I helt last year everything was kind I think it

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Speaker 1: happened for a reason. I think you're gonna benefit from

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Speaker 1: that because going through the wars, with the wars and

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Speaker 1: the struggles and ups and dimes I went to in

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Speaker 1: the bubble. Now you're coming out to start agett with

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Speaker 1: a new coach, with a fresh amount of coach, with

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Speaker 1: a guy who probably y'all probably could communicate more with

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Speaker 1: because he's more close to our age and we kind

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Speaker 1: of you know what I'm saying, we come from that

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Speaker 1: same era. But at this I think y'all benefit from

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Speaker 1: those those hard times. Y'all come together more this year

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Speaker 1: because y'all started from scratch being in training camp together.

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Speaker 1: It makes a big difference. Bro. It makes a big

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Speaker 1: difference for our team going together. And once you'll get that,

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Speaker 1: I think you'll be fine, right, And I just think

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Speaker 1: the understand I mean, you gotta think, for the first

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Speaker 1: time the Clippers were picked to win the championship, when

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Speaker 1: was the last time you ever heard that? A lot

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Speaker 1: of added pressure on that, and then, like you said,

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Speaker 1: key to championships. What nobody says, the chemistry has got

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Speaker 1: to be there, you know, at least why you're playing,

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Speaker 1: and to not have that was tough, you know, But

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Speaker 1: I was someone who picked you guys. I think I

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Speaker 1: thought you guys were built to beat who we thought

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Speaker 1: was going to be in the West Finals. And I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you felt the same way. How tough was it,

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Speaker 1: you know, going in and having that lead on Denver

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Speaker 1: and then seeing them walk y'all down and walk y'all

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Speaker 1: like you know, we was confident. We felt like, you know,

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Speaker 1: were like, cool, we are three to we're gonna win

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Speaker 1: the next one we lost. But during that, during that

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Speaker 1: having the same ship happened over and over again. So

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Speaker 1: it was it started to play a trick on you, like, man,

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Speaker 1: like what's going on? Like you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're talking amongst each other, like the conversation is like

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be all right. The conversation should have been

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Speaker 1: like no, we need to change this. Yeah, we need

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Speaker 1: to switch this up. We need so it we we

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Speaker 1: wasn't like at the end of the day, I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't think we deserved it. We wasn't prepared enough

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Speaker 1: going into it from you know, um just us making

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Speaker 1: adjustment standpoint. We wasn't prepared. We didn't put the work

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Speaker 1: we we're gonna be straight, We're gonna figure it out.

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Speaker 1: All that ship on paper looks good, you know, like

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Speaker 1: and I and I related to like, we didn't practice

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Speaker 1: during this the whole year. Um, And it's that's hard

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Speaker 1: guys because the problems you have during games, those ships

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Speaker 1: can get iron out in practice, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna bump heads and practice, but you're gonna come

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Speaker 1: out of that practice like better. Okay, I understand this, dude.

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Speaker 1: I know where he's coming from. When it happened during games,

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Speaker 1: come back from that doing it. It's hard to come

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Speaker 1: Indie was different. Um, the weather, the people, the city,

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00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 1: restaurants like it was. It was just a different experience. Um.

426
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 1: It opened me up to a lot of stuff. I'm

427
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 1: happy I went to Indie as a rookie UM because

428
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,120
Speaker 1: it allowed me to really like just lock in as

429
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: a player work on my game. It was nothing else

430
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 1: to do, UM, you know, and and it was just

431
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 1: a good like switch up for me to be out there. UM.

432
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 1: That's all I'm gonna say. On Indie, I ain't really

433
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, vibe with a lot of the front office

434
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: people after they made the change, UM and Larry kind

435
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: of stepped off and stepped away from the team. Different

436
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 1: management took over. UM. And at that point I understood,

437
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: like the business business partners you guys, you guys had

438
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 1: some sort of a falling out on your exit, right.

439
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 1: I remember you said something you would say one day

440
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: what happened? And I think you might have spoke on it.

441
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: But what I did, I didn't hear what happened, Like,

442
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: what happened? What was the falling out? Well, it was,

443
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 1: it was so and I took a lot of heat

444
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 1: for it. But it is what it is. UM. So

445
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: we do Uh. It's a it's a softball game that

446
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: we do in Indie. UM. It's for you know, the

447
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: raise awareness for UM cancer UM in Indiana, and so

448
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: we we do this every every year and a lot

449
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 1: of people like Roy used to be the face of it.

450
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: He got traded away. So then I took it over

451
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: um with Robert Mathis. Um. Yeah, so we took it

452
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,239
Speaker 1: over and I and I joined, you know, part with

453
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 1: him to kind of keep that game in that tradition going. Um.

454
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: So we did that. I got interviewed and they like,

455
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, PG, do you want to stay here? Like

456
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: what's your plans? And at that point, that's where like

457
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: I grew up a Kobe fan. Kobe stayed in l A.

458
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: That's all I knew. I want to stay with the

459
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: organization and drafted me and see what happens there, Like

460
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: I want to I wanna Indie didn't have a championship

461
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 1: that they still don't, but I wanted to be the

462
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: first one to bring that to him. Um. So you know,

463
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: I go through the whole press after the event, say

464
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: I want to stay here, like this is home, this

465
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: is this is where I want to win. On that

466
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: Then that night and before we get to that point,

467
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff happened. I had you know that

468
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: that season, Uh, let me, I'm backtracking, But that season

469
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: before we got to that, that summer that season. Uh,

470
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: my name came up in trade talks. So I had,

471
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: you know, the front office meet me in New Orleans.

472
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: It was All Star weekend in New Orleans. I had

473
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: the front office meet me in New Orleans, chop it

474
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: up with him, Like, my agent come down, like what

475
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: is these trade talks? Like am I am I? Y'all guy?

476
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: Or am I not? Like let me know? So they're like, no,

477
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: we're not moving you. We're not touching you, like you know,

478
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: you our future, like you're our centerpiece. Like so they're

479
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: telling me all the good stuff. Literally, right before trade deadline,

480
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: my agent get calls again like yo, pgs on like

481
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: they're saying pgs on the markets teams like asking about

482
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: them and they're having conversations. So that was like strike two,

483
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: strike three, you know what I mean. All the other

484
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: stuff was then moving other pieces around me. That was

485
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: like my brothers and just moving them. I'm waking up,

486
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: you know, getting messages like hey, this person is traded

487
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: this and I don't have no like it's cool. I ain't.

488
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: I ain't in the front office. That ain't my job,

489
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: that stair job, but let me know please, Like so

490
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: that was like strike ones and twos. And now when

491
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: I hear my name and trade talks that strike three. Now,

492
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, especially after you tell me we could, right,

493
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: we just had a we just had a lunch about this.

494
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: So fast forward to the to the moment where we

495
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: do this game. I get interview still saying I want

496
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: to be here, this is my home that night, and

497
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: and and mind you, I think I said, uh, we

498
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: had a top three player in the league at this time.

499
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: Power forward. That was that I was trying to get

500
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: to come to and he wanted to come. I bring

501
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: it to the front office. They ain't do They debt

502
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: at it. Did you ever say who that was? It

503
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 1: was a D D ME and a D talk um

504
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: ad wanted to come to Indy close to Chicago. He

505
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: was like, man, it's perfect. Y'all got something going over there,

506
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: so imagine that. So right, So I bring that to

507
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: the front office. They debt at it. We can't do

508
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: a small market, la la lata. I'm like, man, all right.

509
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: So then that night, go back to after we did

510
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: the baseball or yeah, the charity game. That night, they

511
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: called me up like you know, I got we got

512
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: this player and we're looking at that player and these

513
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: two players. Is we're not winning with these two guys

514
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: that they named. So I called my agent, like, man,

515
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: what what am I doing here? They don't want to

516
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 1: win like they in my it and what I think? Honestly,

517
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: I don't want to bash the organization because it was

518
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,719
Speaker 1: wonderful people there, but in my opinion, I think it's

519
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: an organization that just care to be competitive. They don't

520
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 1: care to win. They got pressure from the from the

521
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: city of Indiana to be competitive and that's where they hang.

522
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: They had on um They just want to be a

523
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: team that can compete and their chance of winning it

524
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to do it in the draft building.

525
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: That's gonna take forever. So I called my agent, like, man,

526
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: get me out of here, like they don't want to win.

527
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm wasting time here. I came off of surgery, Larry

528
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: trying to give me to play BEFOD coming back like

529
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: it was just a bunch of stuff. I just I

530
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: threw the towel in and um man, I just asked

531
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: to get out of there. And that's how that hall

532
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: all that kind of transport. After getting drafted, getting to

533
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: the NBA, what was your welcome to the NBA moment. Welcome, my, my, my,

534
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: my real welcome to the NBA moment was the first

535
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: time I've seen Boston play and they had Rondo, Ray,

536
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: Paul p KG and shot and all them casts on

537
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: the floor at the same time. That was that was like, legit,

538
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: my first welcome to the NBA moment right there, he said,

539
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: this is like the monster. It was like I'm watching

540
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 1: from the bench, like wow, like you know what I mean,

541
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: people were watching these dudes, idolizing these dudes, and now

542
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm I'm that close. I was in a suit and ship,

543
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: but in my mind, I'm like, I'm that close to

544
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: get in there. Uh So it was just a dope.

545
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: It was a dope moment to see it and to

546
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: be able to witness that you didn't experience immediate success.

547
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: How did that keep you focused and grinding, being all

548
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: the way away from home and then not really being

549
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 1: able to get off right at the beginning? How did

550
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: you stay locked in? Uh? It was you know what

551
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: I hated the dude? It was our coach, Jim O'Brien.

552
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: Hated Jim O'Brien. Yeah, uh, yeah, exactly exactly. But you

553
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: know what, the one lesson it made me better. Um,

554
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: he was the reason I stayed locked in. He would like,

555
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: and I get it, head coach, they don't want to

556
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: talk to the too directly to the star players. But

557
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: it'd be a little shit like we'll watch film and

558
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: I'll be in at that game and he'll point out

559
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: ship that He'll call my name out, like you skinny prick,

560
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: like you see, this is what you gotta do. And

561
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm in a suit, you know what I mean,

562
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: Like what did you coming at me for? But I'm

563
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: a rookie song like, man, i gotta take it, you

564
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I gotta take it on the chin.

565
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: And he would just do little stuff and practice, He'll

566
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: call me names film, he'll call me out, and like

567
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: I said, it'd be stuff that I ain't had no

568
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: parts of. He kept me locked in like alright, I'm

569
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show your ass. Yeah. So every practice I

570
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: used to be on that like the vanscuse be like man,

571
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: real like chill out, exact exactly every we was on

572
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: them every practice. It was a scout team. So we

573
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: had to mimic the Lebrons, we had to mimic the

574
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: d ways. We was on a who was some of

575
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: your events on that team? I had cool MANU Grange

576
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: and James Posey, t j Uh, Jeff Foster, Um, don't leave.

577
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: But you know how good Danny Grange would have been

578
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: if he didn't get hurt. I tell people this all

579
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: the time I played with and Grange was a bucket man.

580
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: Grange was a bucket. He could do it with the

581
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: best at all, get to the money at all. He

582
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: just knew how to score. He you know, it was

583
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: no skill work, but he knew how to play. He

584
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: knew how to get a bucket. Uh. And I learned

585
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: a lot from Danny, you know what I mean, just

586
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: sitting back and observing. He's solid, too strong, you know,

587
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: just a good all around dude. UM. So you know

588
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: I have some good vests to be around Big Roy.

589
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: Roy took me on this wing early, some cool people

590
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: to be around you. Uh. You hit, you hit. You

591
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: ran into Miami's Big three right when Indiana started to

592
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: experienced some success in the playoffs. In two thousand and twelve,

593
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: you guys lost in the second round and then thirteen

594
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: and fourteen Eastern Conference finals in games one year, six

595
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: games another What year was the year you dunked on

596
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: Chris Anderson. That was that was my first year. That

597
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: was you gave them the most problems when you you

598
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: gave you was the nuisance to my Yeah, yeah, it was, man,

599
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: it was just you know, it was an opportunity, and um,

600
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: we was the underdogs. Nobody expected nothing from US. Coach Vogel.

601
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: Shout out coach Vogel. He gave me really the keys

602
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: to just go. And I wasn't scared battle. It was

603
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: like we they had the pressure on them, you know

604
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: what I mean. We Uh, we had a culture where

605
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: we played hard and that that translates like playing hard

606
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: was was was a skill, you know what I mean.

607
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: And we had that. Um, so we wasn't gonna back

608
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: down regardless of who we played. You know, I just

609
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: wished I was more experienced when that time came around.

610
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: Like looking at it now, you know, I wasn't where

611
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: I needed to be from maturity level. Um take that challenge,

612
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: But I knew I wasn't scared for the moment. First

613
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: and foremost, that's the most important. Who were up Some

614
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: of your favorite teammates in Indiana, oh Man, mante mate

615
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: cool cool Man country is hell to two times. Oh

616
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: We'll tell you one time, just quick story. We got

617
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: and what year was at the Was that the week

618
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: re least season year year I got there, We got

619
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: the last game of the season, but I think it was. Yeah,

620
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: it was the last record game. We got a tattoo.

621
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: We got him tattooed with my tattoo arts. You got

622
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: the same little cross on his arm. This mo Funer

623
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: came back next summer with more had no tattoos. He

624
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: had more than all of us next year back like

625
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: one summer. Boy took a lot of people none when

626
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: we got there, zero none zero still took bathe two

627
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: times like that. That's my guy. Yeah, it's but monte

628
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: g Hill, uh roy uh Lance the West craziest. I

629
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: played with Crazy Hill. But you know, like people don't understand.

630
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 1: It's like he wanted motherfucker's you. You love to play with,

631
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: hate to play again. I played with We got so

632
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: we got traded for so me and Doc got into it.

633
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: And that's how it was the first trade of the

634
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: trade deadline. Like I got traded at twelve o two

635
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: at it because I was about the whoop Docks asked.

636
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: So I got traded for Lance that season and then

637
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: we ended up playing together because they traded for Jeff

638
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: Green from Memphis to go to UH to the Clippers,

639
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: and they traded Lance to me. So that was my

640
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: first time playing with Lance. Just real misunderstood, like great hill,

641
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: a great heart, great intentions, burnt out a little bit,

642
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,959
Speaker 1: but just like really wanted to win. I really fun

643
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: with Lance, say, first team all burnt. He's somebody that

644
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: that that he definitely gotta get because because he is

645
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: misunderstood a lot of people understand. He one of the

646
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: most down the earth like cool dudes. Man, like take

647
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: pictures with anybody, show love to anybody, just on the court.

648
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: Like you understand his his his upbringing. His mindset was

649
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: just to kill on the court. So he's gonna do

650
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: whatever it takes. But off the court man one of

651
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 1: the most laid back, coolest dudes, as funny as hell. Yeah,

652
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: I got story. I've had it for like three or

653
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: four months that they have some stories and videos and baggage.

654
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: Um August first, two thousand four teens walk us through

655
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: the moment leading up to man something I dam shed

656
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: a tear four seeing yeah, so uh you know it was.

657
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: It was just crazy because the whole like I felt

658
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: good that morning. Everything was was solid, everything felt normal.

659
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: Then we're going through the shoot around. I'm hitting like

660
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: this is before the scrimmage. So you know, we're shooting around,

661
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm hitting everything falling. I feel good the ball like

662
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: you you knowing you in that moment where the ball

663
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: you just feel connected with the rock, feel like that

664
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: in high school, go ahead. So I just felt like,

665
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I'm about to destroy. And

666
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: then I'm coming off of that the second time playing Miami,

667
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: and I felt that much closer, like I was in

668
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: a good place. I felt like I was ready that

669
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: next year to take over UM and be able to

670
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: upset and and go at Brown real for real, for real.

671
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: So I felt good in coump Usa camp. I felt good,

672
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: and that shoot around game comes around exact opposite. I

673
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: could make a shot, uh Like I just I just

674
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: everything that I felt in that shoot around, like it

675
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: completely was gone. I couldn't buy a bucket. So now

676
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, I gotta do something to to

677
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: just leave an in print. That's how I play, like,

678
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: I gotta leave a print on the game. So and

679
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: it's a scrimmage, I could have just let James, go

680
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: take the bucket. In my mind though, I ain't making

681
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: no shots, like I gotta do something and make it

682
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: back in this game. So I see James, he get

683
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: the breakaway. Oh, get on the horse, try to go

684
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: catch him, try to go get it, end up missing.

685
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: I think I filed him. Then I hit the stanching

686
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: and I didn't nothing. I didn't feel nothing at that moment.

687
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: I remember I'm on the ground though, and I tried

688
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: to get up and I'm like wait, hold up, and

689
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: then I it was crazy because if everything happened in

690
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: slow mode, I can hear the crowd, like like I

691
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: can hear the gas. I'm looking like as I'm trying

692
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: to stand, I noticed I can't stand, so I I

693
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: like just look back, can see like my surroundings. I

694
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: see phones and ship coming out. Like I'm like wait,

695
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: So I look at my leg and by the time

696
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: I look at my leg, you know, shout out the trainer.

697
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: I forget. I forget. Yeah, he came through the towel

698
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: on it and he like he as I'm trying to

699
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: get up, he like hold my chest down, like yo,

700
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: just relax, You're gonna be okay. You're gonna be okay.

701
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: So then that's when the panic hit, and still I

702
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: didn't feel it, like just so much adrenaline was going. Yeah,

703
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: my body and shocked. So I just that's why I'm like,

704
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm laying there and I'm I'm like this, I'm not

705
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: really understand what's going on. So I see my mom's

706
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: come down, I see my pops come down, and you know,

707
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: they're like, you're gonna be okay, son, You're gonna be okay, son.

708
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: And the part where it started to hurt, when the

709
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: stretcher came and they had to move my leg and

710
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: pick it up to put it on, that's when I

711
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: was like, oh, but I'm still in shocks. So it's

712
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: like I feel it, but I don't feel it. M

713
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: Then they carted me off, you know, I go into

714
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: the ambulance. My mom goes inside with me, you know,

715
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: and the whole time she's still like, you're gonna be

716
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: stronger for me. She will be okay from this um,

717
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: you know. And it man, it was it was what's

718
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: that next hours? Like, did you go immediately into surgery

719
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: right under? Yeah? I think I was like within the

720
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: hour I was, I was in surgery. Yeah, as soon

721
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: as I got to the hospital, they took me in

722
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: right away. If you wait, the swelling won't let you yep. Um.

723
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: So they was like, you know, it's best that we

724
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: just take care of this. We handled it right away.

725
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: As soon as I got to the hospital, I was

726
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: literally they you know, gave me the stuff to to

727
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: knock me out. I went right under. I woke up, um,

728
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: and you know, I just was like sore, I was

729
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: hurting um, but was uplifting was though, just everybody reaching out.

730
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: It was so many phone calls, I had so many

731
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: text messages, tweets, d n It was just it was

732
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: just a bunch of of and so that's that's kind

733
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: of what what kept me cool through that moment. Being

734
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: said a lot about you though, Bro. You know what

735
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like it's it's certain it's especially niggas. Niggas

736
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: go through ship that don't even be that dramatic and

737
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: give up. You know what I'm saying. You had this

738
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: could have been a career ending injury like you could

739
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: have you could have shut it down going through all

740
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: that for the world to see during the USA Games

741
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: like that was big boring, Like as basketball players, like

742
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: he said, I felt it and he cried because like, Dog,

743
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: that's that's the last thing we wanted to see see,

744
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: the last thing we want to see somebody we love

745
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: watching play basketball. And then then again, he's one of

746
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: our brothers, you know what I'm saying. So that's the

747
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: last thing we want to see. But I command you

748
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: both from fighting back and being better than you was

749
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: before that happened. Dog, I salute you for that, doctors,

750
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: because we always tore down when that happened. And I

751
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: took a lot from from from your page because I

752
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember, uh, Josh Corbille and Cary. Yeah,

753
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: so as a rookie, they was like they used to

754
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: rave about you because they're like, man, we had Jack.

755
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: Jack will get hurt and he would practice through it.

756
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: He would play through it like he never complained, He

757
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: never set out so that that that was like, Okay, yeah,

758
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: that's what I gotta do to I'm gonna carry that

759
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: towards you know what I mean. Um, So I command

760
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: you for for inspired me to just you know, push on.

761
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: That's why it's like now at this moment when I

762
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: see cats like and I've been taking a lot of

763
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 1: heat through playoffs, performances and all that. I've been injured.

764
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: I get hurt, but I'm gonna play through it, you

765
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And it's just funny like certain

766
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: situations cast some hurt. They're sitting out and it's like,

767
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna play through that. My motherfucking bones

768
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 1: coming through my leg exactly. Un less something is broke,

769
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: they won't tell a lot of people don't get that though.

770
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: I don't get it right what you just said. You

771
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 1: know you really felt like coming off the second loss

772
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: of Miami, it was time for you to take that

773
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: big step. How what was your mental thought process knowing

774
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: that you're the best player you've ever been in your life,

775
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: playing the best you've ever played, and then to have

776
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: an injury in the scrimmage game, what was that mental

777
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: process to kind of digest that and and be that

778
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: driving force for you to get back and try to

779
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: be where you were before? You know what? The only

780
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: thing like the I was I had my faith that

781
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: I was gonna put the work in and I was

782
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: gonna come back better, And like that part, I wasn't

783
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: worried about the only thing that hurt in that moment

784
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: was the window that was closed because you could just

785
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: see it. You know, the life was taken out of us.

786
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: When I showed back up to Andy, you could just

787
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: see it on d West face. You can say Roy face,

788
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: g Hill face like like that windows closed to make

789
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: you a power forward, right yeah? And that yeah, that

790
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: following year, Larry, and I'm like, bro, I don't even

791
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: know if I can hoop a small forward again, like

792
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna play uh thirty pounds forty pounds like guard

793
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: cast that got weight advantage on the side, advantage on me.

794
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: And you know it that that bothered me like as

795
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: well coming into a new season where I'm with a

796
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: new team now really got traded away. The West was gone,

797
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: Uh g Hill was gone, like it was a new

798
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: crossing that he trying to make me play another position

799
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: with um. So you know that that bothered me going

800
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 1: into that season. What was your journey like to actually

801
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: get back on the court. And it talked to us

802
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: how tough rehab was, how if you ever doubted or

803
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: any anything crept in your mind, like ship, am I

804
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: gonna be who I was before it? I had? You know,

805
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: through injuries like that, You're gonna have your good days

806
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna have your bad days. Um. I had.

807
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: I had some bad days where I used to just

808
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: be like, man, like what what why are we doing this?

809
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: My ship? My ship broke, like just let it hill

810
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: and we could do this rehab ship later, Like just

811
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: let it hell first. Um. But thank god them trainers,

812
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: was like they knew what they were doing. Um. They

813
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: knew that in order for that bone the hill, it

814
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: had to take some contact, that had to take some pressure. Um.

815
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: And so I just followed the plan. But I was

816
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: definitely I definitely had some dark days where I was

817
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: just support system. Was important, was every time? Was everything? No,

818
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: I needed people in my corner to push me through

819
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: it because it's the first injury I ever had, so

820
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: I just didn't know how to deal with it. It

821
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: was a space that I was unfamiliar with. So having

822
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: a new normal injury either bro at all, Yeah at all.

823
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: So having people in my corner was they was the

824
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 1: one that got me through it. I had a minor

825
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: meniscus tear in two thousand ten, and I just know,

826
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: speaking from my experience, the hardest thing to do coming

827
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: back was trusting my knee, even though it was healed,

828
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: even though the doctor said it's good, it didn't hurt.

829
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: Did you have that process of really trusting your leg

830
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: once she was back, like taking off on my leg

831
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: or coming down for a rebound like that ship would

832
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: scare the ship out of me. The fact absolutely, And

833
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: what people don't know is so I broke it in August.

834
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: I was back practicing with the team. In January, I

835
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: didn't play. I didn't debut playing until April, though, so

836
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 1: and in April I still looked like I was playing

837
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: off one leg. But I was practicing like full on

838
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: contact with the team in like January February. Um, and

839
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: so you know I was literally out there like dragging

840
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: this motherfucker. But you know, I'm listening to the trainers

841
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: that like, you know, you have to you know, trusted

842
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: to trusted, you have to put pressure on it. You

843
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: have to like learn these movements again. UM. So it's

844
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: easy to say when you didn't just exactly exactly. And

845
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: that's when I was having moments like, man, they tripping

846
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, they tripping like they

847
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 1: see I'm not I'm playing off one leg, like they're

848
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna mess around and mess this. Um. But

849
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: you know, it helped in the long run going into

850
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: the next season because I knew what I could do.

851
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: I knew what I was capable of. I had games

852
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: under my feet, um playing that that season, So when

853
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: I went into the next season, I knew what I

854
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: needed to work on to be a hundred percent again.

855
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, like people don't understand, like I played in April,

856
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: but I was back with contact and practicing in January

857
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: six months after. Yeah, six months right after I was

858
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: back in in practice rotations. So your time is up

859
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: in Indiana. Um, off to Okay, see what was that

860
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: two year experience? Like uh teaming up with rust did

861
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: Mello Mellow Mello came the first year? What was that? Okay,

862
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: see experience? Like you know what it was? It was

863
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: it was a special bond um that that was created

864
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: with Russ m I saw y'all on and off the

865
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: I mean off the court a lot. Yeah we're just

866
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: talking about before we saw y'all at the fourth of

867
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: July thing and noble with your with your families and

868
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: everything like y'all really created it was. It was a

869
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: genuine bond like and and you know Russ is another

870
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: person that's like people like misunderstand. That's why we love y'all.

871
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: We thought, is there anything about rusted with knowing him

872
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: as well as you do, why he's misunderstood. I kind

873
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: of just think he doesn't give it me. He's comfortable.

874
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: He definitely gotthing he ran out. Yeah, yeah, he don't.

875
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: And I love that outside looking at Russ is just

876
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: comfortable with him who he is. He don't care what

877
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 1: you think. He don't care what you say. Nothing's gonna

878
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: phase him. Like you know what I mean, I know

879
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: who I am. And when you get to that point,

880
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: your mother, Yeah, and when I step on this court,

881
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: I might not beat you, but I'm gonna be the

882
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: hardest playing motherfucker on this court every night if you

883
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: like me a night every night telling you. And that's

884
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: what I love. Honestly. It's the reason why I had

885
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: the best season of my career playing with him, because

886
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, I can play with somebody that I don't

887
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: care like people say, oh, he can't do it, he

888
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: can't do that. I can play with the motherfucker that's

889
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: gonna leave it on the floor every night. I pushes me,

890
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: It challenges me to play hard every night. I love

891
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: that about him. He didn't care what people said. Um,

892
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, he never got tired, Like his energy level

893
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: was crazy. I used to just be admired by it,

894
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: like literally being a game, like wow, this he did this,

895
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: like he could do that. Like I used to just

896
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: admire that ship. So you know, I'm I'm a forever

897
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: being a rust corner, Russ's man brother for life. It

898
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: seems like it's what you needed though, coming out of

899
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: coming out of Indiana. It seems like you needed that

900
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: motherfucker that was gonna be a battery not only for

901
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: you but for the team. He said it was your

902
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: best career. It was a season of your career because

903
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: at that point I felt like I was like I

904
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: felt good about who who I was as a player,

905
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: Like I feel like I was here, but to see

906
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: somebody else it was it was dope to be like, Okay,

907
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: we're going to showed me how to get to here.

908
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: His energy, like his his effort, his work, his work ethic,

909
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: like he showed me a different part um that you know.

910
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 1: I looked at it and I was like, Okay, that's

911
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,479
Speaker 1: there's room for improvement for me. So we've only heard,

912
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: we don't really know, but we heard that Kauai wasn't

913
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: going to the Clippers unless you came with him. Is

914
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: there anything I knew that ahead? I can show you

915
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: takes messages, I knew. Yeah, but we weren't on the show.

916
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: We weren't doing the show then, yeah we were. We

917
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: wasn't talking. We wasn't. We didn't know, We didn't, we

918
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: did not. We did not get to the point where

919
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: we was on called Kauai and we did never got

920
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: to that point. No, we didn't. We never got to

921
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: because I was on TV when I said that about

922
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: that cool though, Yeah, that's family. But why the fun

923
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: hasn't been on the show yet? That's a good question.

924
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: He don't be on nobody show. He don't know. I

925
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't even know. Y'all could get talk

926
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 1: to us about that experience though, you know, being in Okay, see,

927
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: being comfortable where you're at, really fucking with rust and

928
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: then an opportunity to come back home. Yeah. Man, the

929
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: whole the whole way how it came about was just

930
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: crazy how everything lined up. Um, and I'm gonna be careful,

931
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: is I don't want to you know? Okay? See was

932
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: awesome partners that made it did happen. So I don't

933
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: want to, you know, throw anything out there that's gonna

934
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: put them. And you know, Sam Presty was just that

935
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: my guy, one of the best CM ANDTIO partners to

936
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: work with. Um so oh man. After that season, UM

937
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: and quiet, them just wanted I text him like, Yo,

938
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: congrats bro, like you know what I mean? Yeah, showing love,

939
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: like because we talked about playing with each other a

940
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: while back. UM, So I'm you know what I mean,

941
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm just like, you know, congrats bro, like you know,

942
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: good ship, you did your thing, like you know, let

943
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: them know, you know that it was love on this end. Um.

944
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: And I'm at dinner and so he hit me. He

945
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: called me. Now He's like, oh yo, good looking bro,

946
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: good looks. So he liked, what you're gonna do? I'm like,

947
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: What'm I mean? Okay, see I'm on the contract. I

948
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: just re up, Like what you mean. He's like, no,

949
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do? So I guess some stuff leaked

950
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: some some some you know stuff was getting out there

951
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: that you know, trades was possible, and you know somebody

952
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: was looking to get moved. Um, and so he liked,

953
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, what you're gonna do? So now my eyebrows

954
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: go up, Like I called my agent like man kaway

955
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: saying this and now like what what's what's what's going down?

956
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: So my agent do his you know, due diligence. He

957
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: chopping it up with okay, see come back to actually

958
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: that the stories I was being said what was true.

959
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, well about you before you even Yeah,

960
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: So I'm like that if he know, like it's out there,

961
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: it's time for me to go like if this is

962
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: what's going on. So that's basically like to wrap it

963
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: all up. That's kind of how it how it happened.

964
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: And I went to Vegas. Man in was on the

965
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: clock on an hourly clock, like, Yo, what's what's they're

966
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: saying on that sign? They're saying this on my side

967
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: Like so we were just hip to hip with with

968
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: what was going on. Um everybody my side, his side,

969
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: working together um to where ultimately, man, they we was

970
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: able to pull it off. We made it happen. Were

971
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: there any rumors or truth to the rumors that you

972
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: also had a chance to go to the Lakers and

973
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: you decided not to or was that just rumors? Now

974
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: it was it was I had an opportunity. Um, I

975
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 1: had an opportunity because you know, it's my free agency,

976
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: and I stayed in Okay Seed because Mellow came aboard,

977
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: and you know, being a loyal a real one. Yeah,

978
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I will sign a bone, I will

979
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: sign the extension for Russ are for Mellow to come

980
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: to okay See. So that's how I gave up my

981
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: free agent opportunities and locked in with okay See because

982
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: that was the only way to get Mellow for them

983
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: to trade for Mellow. So I'm like cool, like you know,

984
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: and and I still thought it could have worked. We

985
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: only was wanting together one year. Like, So that's how

986
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: I was locked in. Um, I was supposed to, you know,

987
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 1: take my free agency, be able to listen to everybody

988
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: at that moment, I was looking to go to l A,

989
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: but you know, it was just like, you know what,

990
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: I messed with Russ. I want to see this all

991
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: the way through. Fine, Like, I'll signed then extension to

992
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: get Mellow here. Yeah, let's see what we can build.

993
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: I was just you know, it just sucked that it

994
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: was short lived. We only got to play one How

995
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: was it playing with him though? Too? Because we've been

996
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: big advocates for Mellan and we thought he got the

997
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: raw end of the stick to and he finally got

998
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: he got a chance to redeem itself and show his

999
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: worth improve a lot of people wrong. But you were

1000
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: playing with two guys that were really very similar from

1001
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: the aspect of being misunderstood as players. But when you

1002
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: talk to their counterparts of former teammates, they all loved them.

1003
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 1: Mellow is a real one. And I got to spend

1004
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: time with Mellow with team Essay. So that's where our

1005
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: relationship really, you know, our bomb you know came. Uh,

1006
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: Mellow was a real one. Like what people don't understand,

1007
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: Mellow sacrificed. Mellow wasn't the issue Mellow because what happened

1008
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: was me and Russ got traded there and literally Billy

1009
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: had you know all of this, There is no excuse,

1010
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: but Billy had a plan for me and Russ. Then

1011
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: literally like right at the last minute is when we

1012
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: got Mellow. So now like Billy like like I don't

1013
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: know how to incorporate incorporated, y'all. Was my two guys

1014
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: like Mellow just gonna have to find this way like

1015
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: and so I give I tipped my hat for Melo

1016
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: Melo was one hunt at the whole time. He let

1017
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: me and Russ run the show. Um. His only thing

1018
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: was like, cool, it's the team, Like I can be

1019
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: used more though, Like don't just have to be a

1020
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: spot up player. Play y'all can play through me sometimes too,

1021
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: which we understood. We agreed, like we could play through

1022
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: Mellow a little bit more. That's that wasn't the plan

1023
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: that you know, they want to go forward. Um, So

1024
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: we just we really just missed out on an opportunity

1025
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: of us three being able to play together. So you're

1026
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: in l A, what's your first thoughts? You have an

1027
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: opportunity to come home and literally come home and play.

1028
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: It was you know again, it it just came down

1029
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: to family, Like, uh, because my parents would travel everywhere.

1030
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 1: My mom, you know, with her disability, it was tough

1031
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 1: on her go for warm cities to cold cities. Um.

1032
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: And so honestly, it was the first thing I thought of, like, man,

1033
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: moms get to watch every game. Yeah, they get to

1034
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 1: come to every home game. They don't gotta leave no more. Um.

1035
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 1: Then it was like, man, I don't gotta miss thanksgivings.

1036
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: That's small. That's that human ship that people for we

1037
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: think we're changing Thanksgiving the family day. Yeah, yeah, no

1038
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: more thanksgetting family damnly day. I got to spend family

1039
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: Day with folks, um. And I mean they would, they

1040
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: would come, they would, they would mix it up because

1041
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: I got sisters and stuff, so it'd be ha are

1042
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: for everybody to travel. So sometimes they would come down

1043
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving sometimes or for Family Day. Sometimes they wouldn't.

1044
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: So you know, it was just you know, knock and

1045
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: enjoy holidays with my folks. My kids enjoy holidays with

1046
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: our whole family. Um. So it was it was honestly

1047
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: bigger than basketball. Every athlete dreams are playing in their

1048
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: home state. You know what I'm saying everybody. I wish

1049
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: the Rockets would have signed me for a year or

1050
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: something like that, so I know the feelings be able

1051
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: to come back and say, you're playing your home stately

1052
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: three weeks. It's a good thing. That ain't happening. It

1053
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: was a great thing. It wouldn't work. So but you're

1054
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: coming in. So you're coming. But you're coming back home

1055
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: off off a shoulder surgery. Like you said, you're at

1056
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: a rhythm because I've seen you in the summer and

1057
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: your fucking monster something not to be able to have

1058
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: that come back without that summer under your belt. But

1059
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: then also the pandemic hits and that stops, you know,

1060
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: because to me, the whole thing, I was saying that

1061
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: they gotta hit there. They're gonna hit a rhythm, you

1062
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: know post All Star March April, when normal teams hit

1063
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: their rhythm, especially new teams, and you guys didn't have this.

1064
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: You guys get three months off with the new team

1065
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: and then get thrown in the bubble. I know that

1066
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: was a big that fun you guys up to me

1067
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: and my point. I still believe in you guys, but

1068
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: I was just like, when are they going to get

1069
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: their chemistry and their timing? And you kept saying it.

1070
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: I kept saying that, man's like, if they don't get

1071
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: their chemut I was still riding for y'all. I still

1072
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: gotta do some coushups after the show, so I'm gonna

1073
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: do them. But you know that that was my whole thing.

1074
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: I'll saynds like they need to get their chemistry in

1075
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: their rhythm down and this, like I said, you're not

1076
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: coming in healthy from the beginning. And then the pandemic

1077
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,479
Speaker 1: hitting was going to be an issue for you guys. Yeah,

1078
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: So what was crazy is we ended before the pandemic hit.

1079
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: We play ended this season like playing well. It was

1080
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: we just got Reggie, we just got Marcus. Like we

1081
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: was coming together, We was figuring it out. We was

1082
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: learning how to play with everybody. Now everybody was healthy.

1083
00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: Pat was healthy, now, uh Kauai was healthy. I was healthier. Uh.

1084
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: Like we had a complete team, and then the pandemic hit.

1085
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: Um and you know, at that point, it was like

1086
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: man like, we didn't know what we was gonna get

1087
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: out of the team. At that point, we wasn't connected,

1088
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: We wasn't around each other. We we kept we got

1089
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 1: a group chat that we was, you know, messaging, making

1090
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: sure everybody was staying on this stuff. But it just

1091
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: wasn't the same. Um. And then, like I said, when

1092
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: we got into the bubble, our our energy like it

1093
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: we we wasn't practicing how we should have been practicing,

1094
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: and we wasn't working like we should have been working.

1095
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: And you can feel it. You can feel it. You

1096
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: can feel it. And our crutch was we got this,

1097
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: we got that person, we got we got that paper.

1098
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: That paper got good, look good on the benches side,

1099
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: like we we had that as a crutch, and that's

1100
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, that's what we just

1101
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: kept leaning on, leaning on. That's what we was putting

1102
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: a band aid on everything. Um, and it just you know,

1103
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: it don't work out like that. I tell everyone coming up.

1104
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I was fortunate enough to play at u C.

1105
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: L A and play for the Lakers and Clippers, but

1106
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: playing in l A is so much more than basketball. Uh.

1107
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: Now you're and you guys are in a situation for

1108
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: the first time in the history of the team favorites

1109
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: on winning a championship. So what was that outside media pressure?

1110
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: Like one kind of a two tier question? And then

1111
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: the social media part of it as well, because you took,

1112
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: like you said earlier, you took a lot of heat

1113
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: for the way you played at times and just constant

1114
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: ship talking to to the point where I can see

1115
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: your energy through the TV and I hit you up like, bro,

1116
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: you good, like what's going on? And you kind of

1117
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: told me where you're at mentally. But how much of

1118
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: a toll did that take on you? Well? It was

1119
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: different because you know what I mean, in the arena,

1120
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: you it's it's a certain like regardless of how you

1121
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: feel going into that game. When you see fifteen thousand,

1122
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: eighteen thousand people, whatever you was feeling, you're gonna be

1123
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: all right. You it's in you there. It's it's intensity

1124
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: there when you're going into the bubble. And mind you,

1125
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: you're seeing these cats at the hotels, you're seeing them

1126
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: on your walks to this place, that place, some a

1127
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: you like. And then you get to the bubble. It's quiet.

1128
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: You can hear you can hear Doc screaming. You can

1129
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: hear it like and then that's that's like I caught

1130
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: myself after every play looking at the bench. I don't

1131
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: ever do that, but because I can hear everything going

1132
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: on every bucket, I'm looking over yeah right right. So

1133
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 1: so it just I just noticed little things that just

1134
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: wasn't like it didn't it didn't feel right like I couldn't.

1135
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,439
Speaker 1: I didn't have that fire that I usually have going

1136
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: into matchups. Like going into the games, I knew I

1137
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: wanted to destroy cats, but it was just because of

1138
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: the environment, like like this is what you want right here.

1139
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't like playoff times at all. It didn't feel

1140
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: like playoff time at all. And that's why you had

1141
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: like role players having the best games of their lives.

1142
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: There was no pressure. There's no pressure, so it just

1143
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: and for the star players is all the pressure. Um.

1144
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: So it just it was different. It was complete one

1145
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: eighty like of of hoops that you usually normal, like

1146
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: that's usually normal to you. She was just different. And

1147
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: like I said, I just I couldn't adjust to it.

1148
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't find my way. And and then it ship

1149
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: just started dinning on me. It's like I'm thinking about

1150
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: it going into the games, like damn, how can I

1151
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: trick myself into like creating the environment. And I just

1152
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: started being in my head now at this point. Yeah,

1153
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: and then so we ain't got ship else to do

1154
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: but be on the phone, be on social media. So

1155
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm I'm seeing everything now and it's like that I'm

1156
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: thinking about that ship going into games, like all right,

1157
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: I gotta find it. I gotta find it now I'm

1158
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: going I'm getting deeper and deeper into my head. So

1159
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: I just like when I when you hit me, I

1160
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: was like, man, big bro, I can't like I'm struggling,

1161
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: like I don't know how to get out of this um.

1162
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: And it was just it was just tough. It was

1163
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: a different experience for me. You know, when you hear

1164
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: you're to the point now where you're you're possibly hear

1165
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: in trade rumors about yourself again, much more experienced, obviously

1166
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: confident in your ability. But does it still trickle back

1167
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: in your head the way it trickled in Indiana? No,

1168
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: because now I understand, like it's the business part of it,

1169
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: like whatever, it could be some truth to it, or

1170
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: it could just be rumors because of somebody wants to

1171
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: touch on me playing in the bubble and they want

1172
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: to touch on and have fun with that. But at

1173
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's it's it's like it

1174
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: could be some truth to it. Like I understand, like

1175
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: this ship is a business. I can be traded like,

1176
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: so it don't bother me now, it is what it is. Um,

1177
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: I just you know, I just keep it going. I'm

1178
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: still a big believer in still riding for y'all. But

1179
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: for everyone who was doubting you and talking ship, that's

1180
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: your solo camera right there. What can they expect next

1181
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: season from? I'm ready, I'm coming back. I'm gonna translated

1182
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: after the advantage. This is like I'm back with my trainer.

1183
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: I'm back with my trainer that I had my m

1184
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: VP season. I'm back with him. I get a summer

1185
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: to train to work on my game again going into

1186
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: a season. Um Un, I'm locked in, like as locked

1187
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: in as you can be. I'm motivated. I listened to

1188
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: Kobe on a daily basis. I just pull up Motivational

1189
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: Kobe and maybe like fifteen eight minutes long, but I'm

1190
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: I just I put that on when I'm working out.

1191
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: That's like I don't listen to a soundtrack. I put

1192
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,439
Speaker 1: that Kobe motivational speech it on and I just listened

1193
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: to him talk while I'm lifting, while I'm on the court.

1194
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: And that's where I'm at right now. So I'm back.

1195
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm back motivated, I'm as healthy as I've been in

1196
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: a long time, and I'm in position to do it.

1197
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: So I'm on motherfucker's asses. And I translated He didn't.

1198
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: He just used one convert at the end at all. Oh, okay,

1199
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: give me your ship then minus set back for the

1200
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: major comeback. Okay, you beat you shout out snoop uh

1201
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: on a lot of note big time gamer, you Xbox

1202
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: PS five and do you have a plug for either?

1203
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I kid what you need. Yes,

1204
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm all ps shout out to PlayStation's shoutstation. So we

1205
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: got the shoes. Yeah, yeah, we got to collab. We

1206
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: can work on that. But I'm on a game heavy.

1207
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: I'm on the game now. This dude is dope. People

1208
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I hit him up. Man. Maybe

1209
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: it was like two or three years ago, and this

1210
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: dude has just been sending shoes to the Twins team

1211
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: like they go crazy when that a p box the

1212
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: world somewhere. Man, you know what I mean? For you

1213
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: to take time and I hit you on bro, the

1214
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: shooting decides this good. It's just I really appreciate that

1215
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: because I know how much it means to the boys.

1216
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I told them how they're interviewing today and

1217
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: they wanted to skip a little fucking online school and

1218
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: come hang out. I was like, no, we do some

1219
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: ship in there, you see. I tell him. He said, yeah,

1220
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: all right, man, we're coming down the stretch Man. Toughest

1221
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: player that you've had to guard to date. Toughest player,

1222
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: uh Man, Katie and Mellow Katie and Mellows top of

1223
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: my list of the toughest guys I matched up with

1224
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: people don't understand. I'd say Mellow too. I think Paul

1225
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: Pierce gets left out sometime. But Mellow was someone when

1226
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: he was on his ship that there wasn't a hole

1227
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: in his game. And you knew he didn't want to

1228
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: pass that bit. And when he got it, you better

1229
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: be ready to guard. I knew, you knew you had to.

1230
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: Everything had rest, you had to, like after games, you

1231
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: got a ice down. Yeah, because I caught him. I

1232
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: caught him the first time when he was in Denver,

1233
01:04:55,200 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 1: and then when he got traded. Yeah, and so he

1234
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: was bully ball, miss it, go get it, missy, go

1235
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: get it like and you know I was, I was.

1236
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: He He had me on weight, so he was as

1237
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: strong as him. He was the toughest cover I have

1238
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: got to match up with. And then Katie, man, it's

1239
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: nothing you can do that. I don't even know what

1240
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: he can do. We just hope he missed. Remember with

1241
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: that Golden State team that was a Katie's rookie year

1242
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 1: in Seattle. Remember, we just tried to bully and but

1243
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: we both said when we did a good job of

1244
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: bullying him too. But we just like this motherfucker's gonna man. Yeah,

1245
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: so long and he was so agile. Favorite NBA game

1246
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: he played in favorite NBA game probably, Uh, probably we

1247
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: played Miami. I think it was like game five or

1248
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: game five ye in Indye. Um we was like down.

1249
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: There was up three one, Um, we was down. I

1250
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: think going into the second half I had I started

1251
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: to to you know, I had a steady game. Um,

1252
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: but I finished the game with thirty six. But I

1253
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: had like twenty one in the fourth and uh it

1254
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: was elimination and you know it just they couldn't do

1255
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: nothing with me one straight and I was just in

1256
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: my bad Ye off the bounce. What's the fast food

1257
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: place you could have it your way? Is that Burger King? Yeah?

1258
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: That's probably my most memoral soundtrack to your life for

1259
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: what you started at to where you're at. Now, give

1260
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: me three songs. It would be in rotation to summarize

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Speaker 1: your life, my life. I probably started off with some

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Speaker 1: old school Sam Cooke change gonna you got me right there? Uh,

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01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: then he'll probably switch to uh to some Drake started

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Speaker 1: from the bottom. They were here and we're looking for

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Speaker 1: you the boy. We're looking for your boys. I say that,

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Speaker 1: I say to close it out, man, it's got to

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Speaker 1: be something, nil Man. It's got to be something Neil. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: man's gonna be upset if you didn't. Can't be from

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Speaker 1: the West Coast. It's gotta be something, nilp Man, just

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Speaker 1: because where I'm at, my headspace, my growth. Um, I

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Speaker 1: don't stuck in the ground grind stuck in the ground,

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Speaker 1: grind yea all my life. Yeah, that's how to close

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Speaker 1: out Top five video games of all time, of all time.

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Speaker 1: I know one. You're gonna say two ks in there,

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Speaker 1: shout out to k K madness in there. Um, let's see,

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Speaker 1: I'm a shooter. So Call of Duty is in there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, mark uh double O seven that's early that's Nintendo. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: in five, come on with it, Come on with it now.

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Speaker 1: It's two years too. I'm upset that you missed that

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Speaker 1: I missed. Yeah, I'm thinking what did I miss? I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know what I mean Techmobile and

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Speaker 1: double dribble, double dribble, double doubt words, double dribble ma

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Speaker 1: that was I mean, the whole Nintendo had That's that

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01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: was my error. Techno Bowl I wasn't. I was a

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Speaker 1: little too young. I started playing the Maddens like the

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Speaker 1: early early Maddens, But damn double dribble. I'm mad I

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Speaker 1: missed that. Yeah, I was gonna throw like fight night

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Speaker 1: and there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't get me started. I

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Speaker 1: had five dinner guests that are alive. This is our

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Speaker 1: favorite question, favorite question five. Top five dinner guests m

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Speaker 1: J for show. Which one both okay, Mike Jackson and

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Speaker 1: my Joy Okay, okay, Um, Will Smith, Nice, Um, Kobe

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Speaker 1: h and my fifth. I can't. I never got a

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Speaker 1: chance to meet him, so I gotta throw Brock in there. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: everybody got out. That's nice. Five. Okay, who do you

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Speaker 1: want to see on all the Smoke? But before you answer, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna rely on you to help us get this

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Speaker 1: person on the show. Okay, who I want to see? Oh? Man,

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Speaker 1: I think I think, man, you're gonna get a a

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Speaker 1: ship a ton of great content. Man. And we talked

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01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: about him. You gotta get Lance on here. Yes, y'all,

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Speaker 1: we got to it. I'm with that. I'm that we

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Speaker 1: recorded song. He'll wrap, he'll do what they don't know

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01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 1: what they can do it all. I'm gonna heart to jokes.

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Speaker 1: Gotta y'all got something to comment? What you cant Lance

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Speaker 1: with both ladies men, and I'm gonna bring it back U.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that though. I'm gonna bring it back a

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Speaker 1: segment though that we haven't done. Jack. We're gonna bring

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Speaker 1: back here banging segment. This motherfucker got pss uh two

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Speaker 1: k's Nike. What you need, what you need. You see

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Speaker 1: why the begging segment has kind of died down. I've

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Speaker 1: just been DM in Motherfucker's. Yeah. I gotta wait for

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Speaker 1: the camel camera mother with me. That then we're good. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's always loved, man, It's always love, always loved.

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Speaker 1: Last question, when it's all said and done, what do

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Speaker 1: you want your legacy in the NBA to be? You

1317
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Speaker 1: know what, it's championships like that's that's that's what everybody wants.

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Speaker 1: Um at the end of the day, man, I just

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Speaker 1: you know, I want people to understand. Man, I came

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Speaker 1: from nothing, and you know, being in Palm I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I mean you've been in l A. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you've been down to Palm Dell driven

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Speaker 1: through it on the way to Vegas and I was like,

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Speaker 1: it ain't nothing in Palmdale. Um. So I'm a kid

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Speaker 1: that came from nothing, man, and I'm living out my dreams. Um.

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Speaker 1: What inspired me and what I want to be my

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Speaker 1: name to be left on is this kid came and

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Speaker 1: he brought everything he had, UM on both sides, on

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Speaker 1: both sides of the refreshing to see to us, and

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Speaker 1: I just I want that because it is a lost start,

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Speaker 1: like kids don't look at it the same way, um,

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Speaker 1: and I want that to be something that that resonates

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Speaker 1: with kids going forward, like it's okay and you know,

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Speaker 1: shout out the Lake code. He is the reason why

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Speaker 1: I played the game the way I play it, and

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Speaker 1: I want that to be what kids look at. It's cool,

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Speaker 1: Like don't worry about like getting dunked on part of

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Speaker 1: the game. It's part of the game. It's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Like take that challenge though, like live up to the moment.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, because at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, I don't got no regrets. I got to

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Speaker 1: play against the best I've seen the best. You are

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Speaker 1: one of the best. Appreciate it, but it's there's no

1344
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: shame ever and whatever you leave on that floor, it's

1345
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Speaker 1: all that needs to be said, you know what I mean.

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01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: And that's just what I want my name to be.

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01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 1: You know, if nothing else is respectable, make that respectable.

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01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: And he isn't man. His word reached that to him.

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Speaker 1: It was doing the game. Needed a jersey. I got

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Speaker 1: the jersey faed X two days later, So I appreciate you. Bro. Signed.

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Speaker 1: That's to wrap another episode. Thank our guests, Paul George

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01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: catch us on Showtime Basketball YouTube in the I Heart

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01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: platform Black Effects. Ever, next week we could keep naming

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of sponsors. Hey, we got some more sponsors.

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Speaker 1: I mean we got some more money. You see y'all

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Speaker 1: next week. This is all a smoke, A production of

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Speaker 1: The Black Effect and Our Heart Radio in partnership with

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Speaker 1: Showtime