WEBVTT - A heartfelt tribute to Jerry West 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:15.760 On this incredibly sad episode of the Heat Check, we 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:22.760 have an emergency episode. I'm tremendously gutted because someone I 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:28.000 was lucky enough to call a friend, Jerry West, passed 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:31.320 away today. In honor of the man that they call 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:35.080 the logo, I'm going to repost part of an over 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.120 two hour interview that I did with him in the 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.680 summer of twenty twenty two. That's the kind of guy 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:44.920 he was, Anthony sad day for all hoops fans around 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:48.000 the world. Let's get into it. Let's drop that fucking beat. 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:49.040 This should be re honors. 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:03.680 So I was at a farmer's. 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.039 Market today and I got a text for a friend 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:10.279 who I normally see at summer leak. I was thinking 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:13.320 it would be the normal Hey are you going to 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.319 be at summer leak question or a month out to 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:24.440 the day, and the text was I'm sorry for your loss. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:32.440 And I checked Safari my phone and I saw that 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:37.560 Jerry West had passed away at eighty six. The greatest 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:40.200 basketball mind to ever walk the face of the earth. 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.720 And he would tell you that by the way he 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:47.080 would say, I'm not one of the best, I am 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.440 the best. Don't you forget it? Don't you fucking forget it. 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:59.360 I have known Jerry for almost a decade, since the 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:02.560 first days I was in sports media. We were actually 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:06.720 born on the same day. As we got to know 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:11.720 each other, I realized, you know, he's obviously not only 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.839 one of the best basketball minds on planet Earth, which 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:19.640 I could have known without ever knowing him, but he's 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:23.400 one of the best humans I've ever run across as well. 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:32.440 Every summer leak he would find something to say that 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:38.040 was not only hilarious but insightful. I remember we talked 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:42.959 last year about Buddy Heald. He said, Buddy Heild, Buddy Hild, 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:48.040 that boy dumb is a stump, But that shit was true, 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:52.800 and that's the kind of guy Jerry West was. Insightful, funny, 0:02:53.480 --> 0:03:05.360 wasn't trying to hurt anybody, but always came through as honest, cutting, playful, 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:11.079 and smart. He would tell me exactly who he liked 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.720 and what he liked about any particular players game, even 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.960 the most obscure player like Nemas Cada. He could tell 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.040 you everything about the MIAs Cada in his background and 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.360 where he had gone and what kind of kid he was. 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:27.000 And told me about Victor Webinyama last year and two 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:30.640 years ago actually, and how Africa through France was going 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.280 to start taking over the league. He told me I 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:38.280 had too much of a fascination with Paolo ban Carrol 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.840 and that Palo was one of the most gifted passers 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.160 that he had seen, but he needed to work on 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:49.400 his handles. That guy was just a walking encyclopedia. And 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:53.120 the thing is he was just almost never wrong. Summer 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:57.840 League after Summer League, he pinned almost everybody correctly. Even 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:01.800 when the Norm Powell trade looked, he still continued to 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.640 be resolute and Norm Powell was an incredibly important contributor 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:13.839 for the LA Lakers. I would plant my seat courtside 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:18.680 next to him and I would not leave because what 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:22.760 he would say was more information than I would get 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:30.039 in the entire year. So this is only part of 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.120 a multi part interview that I posted. I suggest you 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.440 go back and listen to all three parts. Maybe we'll 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:39.039 post more later if you want it, because it's that good. 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.080 The sound quality I wish was better, God, I wish 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:50.599 it was better. We recorded at a Starbucks during a 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:55.400 convention at the Summer League. Some weird convention was getting 0:04:55.440 --> 0:05:01.080 lunch at the same point that we recorded, and I 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:07.880 remember some guy offered to buy him his pastry. In line, 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:09.719 I said to the guy, what do you need to 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:13.200 buy this fucker guy, this fucking guy's pastry for he's 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:17.400 more money than God is y you use me buy 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.240 you a pastry. He laughed at me, body checked me, 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:27.120 and he bought the other guy's pastry. Anyway, there's a 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:32.080 ton of ambient noise. It's worth listening to. The information 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.840 is worth trying very hard to listen to. I promise 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:42.400 Summer League will. 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:53.159 Never be the same, and neither of the league. Fuck dude, 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:55.920 but the legacy of Jerry West will live on forever. 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:05.039 In peace to my Gemini twin, We'll see. 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:06.599 You on the other side. 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.679 Tylo was one of the ones who ran a player 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:15.760 off the floor. 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.440 We saw it in the Utah series, but they were down. 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.640 I want to say three to one. That series against. 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:26.719 The mass and that series against Utah was the series where. 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.720 I really said to myself, Okay. 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:34.720 I was incredibly wrong about ty Lou because the brand. 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.440 Or the reputation was okay. 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:41.360 He had Lebron, Lebron and Kyrie, but his his coaching 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:44.320 against the MAVs and his coaching against the Jazz was 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:45.200 really impressive. 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:47.920 He's simply one of the best coaching Lewis people don't 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:54.240 know yet and playing for him just like, Okay, I'm 0:06:54.279 --> 0:07:00.000 not afraid and Willis and I would say when people 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.120 talking about coaches, he the f the. 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.920 With o'clock three in the league, this coaching the more importantly, 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.679 he's a fantastic guy and which. 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:10.520 Is so easy to be around. 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:15.000 And more importantly, he's so smart and he has a great, 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.280 great way about him employer because you know, he's not 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.480 that old, and I drafted him when I was in 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:27.040 Los Angeles and he's just the bullbop that he's trying. 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:32.280 But I feel fortunate to who Bark coaches all the 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.480 fun Roy, we'd have a fend reason puting your cool 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:36.040 best players. 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.800 You know him, it's amazing that we won with the 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:39.560 mini games. 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.960 Do you have a favorite Tylo story that sort of 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:45.760 highlights and personifies him? 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:47.480 I do, but I can't talk. 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:50.720 I have a lot of them with that aflick. 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:55.200 You know, you rom one for some reason, he's got 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.960 a different personality and he can be really funny to 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:01.960 you know, to be very part and there's a lot 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.320 of things that you know, you talk about always knock 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:06.480 the best slang leads a. 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.440 Player, but he's he's easy to be around, you really 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:11.240 expect I don't think. 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:19.280 Here in the middle of describing what makes Tyl so special, 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:23.800 he also takes time to fire shots at the play 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.480 in tournament, the play in which I. 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:29.040 Don't like at all. 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.599 I think it's a horrible mistury because you know, you 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:36.960 can take one game and decide the season worth of work. 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:38.439 I just don't like it. 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.800 And I'm sure if you Mission probably doesn't want to 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:43.080 give him the Senate at the hang time. 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:47.960 I just think it's worthless to me and the danger 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.400 and the danger is that these teams are flood over 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.280 year and the label year. If you get a couple 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.760 of injuries where you can't they can't play for a 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.640 couple of the gamer one game to decide, you see it, 0:08:58.920 --> 0:08:59.520 that's gonna good. 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:01.839 I just I don't like it. 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:02.400 I've just heard. 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:04.760 I don't know what the concept is. 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:07.120 Legit hilarious. 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.520 The funniest thing about this clip is how Jerry answers 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.800 the question about how far the Clippers could have gone 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:19.640 last year in the playoffs, considering I think it's pretty 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:21.880 wide open. The fact that the MAVs got through, the 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.280 fact that the Suns were exposed, the fact that the 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:28.800 Warriors broke through the Bucks got injured. Seemed like the 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.320 Clippers had a real shot if they were healthy, right. 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:35.040 He humbly talks about really how it doesn't matter because 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.560 we can never go backwards. But then he also says 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:41.440 something fascinating. He says, you know, teams are gonna defenses 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.000 are gonna wait on you. But when you have really 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.839 elite players, it doesn't matter whether they wait on you 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:47.120 or not. 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:49.240 Nothing you can do to stop them. 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:51.079 I E. 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:52.120 Kawhi, I E. 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.760 Paul George, kind of a subtle like, yeah, I think 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.199 we could have gone deep. He also addresses whether Kawhi 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:03.160 could have come back act in the playoffs, if they 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.520 would have made the playoffs and Paul George didn't get 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.040 COVID and they didn't lose to the Pelicans, and finally, 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.920 whether Kauai is any different than the outside world views him, 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.440 considering that they have a very good relationship. Really insightful, 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:16.800 really interesting stuff. 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.920 If Paul George doesn't get coked or going to health 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:24.319 and safety protocols against the Pelicans, how far do the 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:25.280 Clippers go? 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.800 Do you think last year, given how wide opening was, well. 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:30.439 I'm not sure if them wide open, it was a 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:31.200 really good team. 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:35.280 But I will say this through you can thick them 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.560 fanned last year and they found the way. 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.160 Then it's hard in the playoffs and. 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:41.600 Those more floats. 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.200 From the pages they had a chance to see and play, 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.800 you know, and half the time is there this defensers 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.120 are waiting on me, And if you have those truly 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.720 great players, it doesn't make any difference. 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:56.480 They still be waiting on it, and they were being 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.880 part of it and saw and that's kind of hurts enough. 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.920 I mean, it's only a guess. I kind of you 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.320 look at that. To me, it's a hand in yell. 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:11.320 And estually didn't work out that. 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:16.040 Was there a scenario if there was a long playoff 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.360 run that Kawhi could have come back in the playoffs. 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.920 I'm pretty sure he could. I'm pretty sure he could. 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.480 And to get him obviously get him back is like 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:29.880 a god said, and uh, he wasn't and we didn't 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:30.959 get there, so we'll never know. 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:34.240 You mentioned that people misunderstand you. Do you think that 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:38.720 people misunderstand Kawai as well? Do you think he's different 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:43.280 than the outside world sees him no easy say. 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:47.280 I love what he's he's a basketball player, okay, and 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:49.680 just watching him work out and see how. 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:50.400 Serious he is. 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:52.760 So he's not as playful as as you. 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.839 Oh I'm much more play Yeah, but I'm much crazier him. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.840 He has a much greater focus working out on him. 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.199 But you know he's if you're around him when he 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.920 first game there isn't obviously you know, I wasn't running 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.520 the team, but I go to crackers, went around all 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:09.920 the time. 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:11.320 You know, you're just trying him. 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:13.679 You watch and you watch and watch, and you probably 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.959 tead An appreciate you, Uh, what's your greatness that he 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.040 has as a player, But you you wanted sometimes you know, 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:21.880 want doesn't talk of that. 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:26.599 Well, he's been there. I have had the pleasure of 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.240 getting to know him a little bit better, and it's 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.600 impossible not to be infatuated. And he's got a wide 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:33.400 sense of humor. 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:35.040 He's he's a pro. 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:36.160 He really did. 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.079 The thing about this clip that was so interesting, not 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.520 only in the fact that the Clippers weakness was passing 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:48.400 last year and that was the admission, is that when 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:54.439 describing John Wall, Jerry says that John Wall is a 0:12:54.640 --> 0:13:00.480 great guy, but his reputation around those who cover the 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.760 league is not that he has been known to be 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:08.800 someone that pundits take shots at for being too self 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:12.720 focused or who knows. So I wanted to get out 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.960 why John Wall was such a polarizing figure. And another 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.319 thing that came out of this process though, was a 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.880 little nugget and what the Clippers vetting process was like 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.560 in acquiring a player like john and how he also 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:27.520 thinks the Clippers are the deepest team in the league 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:28.920 and he wouldn't trade it for anybody else. 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.839 John Wall one of the biggest I would say pickups. 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:37.559 One of the most interesting pickups that took forever in 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:41.080 the day to actually come to fruition. A lot of people, 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.079 I think thought that deal would get done or that 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:46.160 move would get made last year. 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.360 What does he bring to the team, Well, he. 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.880 Fans I never guy looked like to play basketball. He 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:55.520 can get in the lane, you find our three point shooters. 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:57.480 It's probably weakness in our team last year. 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.439 Passing he will give us in ninth grade and being 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:01.880 able to attack with the basket. 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.320 And he's a good guy. Okay, he loves to play 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:06.319 and we're. 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.120 Just hopeful that he can stay healthy and watching him 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:12.480 work out, he looked fantastic, great Shay and he's. 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.040 Bringing he's been working out all year. That would be 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.400 a pretty good vacation to make that kind of money 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.360 and not get a chance to play. I would have 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:24.760 liked it. No, would have been probably a forty four thousand. 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:31.280 You mentioned great guy, and he's a polarizing figure too. 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.880 There's been people who have said things about him and 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.560 I don't know that they necessarily know him. Well, why 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.600 do you think there's this like, I don't know, disparity 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:41.520 in terms of the opinion on him as. 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:42.120 A as a guy. 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.320 You know what, I don't see it. You know, people 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.280 the same thing and watch you about and maybe. 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:51.120 Not been clear the rumor from any known silistas we 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:52.080 see all the found it. 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.680 I always say, would identify these Slnson sent time. 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:55.960 It just does not. 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:57.040 That's not who he is. 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:00.040 Is that who you've said about that's really like And 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.840 a lot of our players know him, and so as 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:07.320 all our player comes somewhere, Uh have you we checked 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:08.440 the players. 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:09.560 I mean protect the ones that know him? 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:13.000 And Uh, while we've heard of the good things and 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.680 all I can go and say, just what's your high 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:20.160 seed at that moment, is how you know know about that? 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.720 And who's this again? And you're really good for us 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:25.960 right now. So it's not just starting to see him. 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.080 We will we will seeing one pay any game starts. 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.960 Because this is a powerful thing, the Clippers a powerful thing. 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.400 The note from one to three thing. I did not 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.240 play just it's the team for anything that they That 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.320 doesn't mean we're the best team, but I would not 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:40.920 play for anything. 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:43.200 Or do you think they're the deepest team? 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.480 That's why I say one three third finger? Yeah, yes, 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:46.960 I see. 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:52.480 So this question was out of left field, no segue, 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:56.960 There was no connection to him or the Clippers or anything. 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:58.760 I just wanted to know, how do you build a 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:02.280 roster around Brod James. If it's you, Jerry West, and 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:05.120 all you have is Lebron, what do you do? How 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.080 do you best set him up for success? How do 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.880 you build around him in a way that makes your 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.680 team more likely to win a championship but also accentuates 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:19.200 what makes Lebron so great? Pretty simple, awesome stuff from Jerry. 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:26.040 I'm curious about Lebron and him as a style of player. 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:30.320 Obviously dominant, that's been said, but if you have Lebron 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.560 on your team and no one else, what do you 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.800 think is the best way to build a roster around 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:40.600 someone like him or him specifically. 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:43.040 Again, yeah, if you look at him, if it makes him, 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.400 he's already missed his game. He's one of the smartest 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.440 players have definite player that way. I think he's better 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:52.760 with an open force. I would try to have a 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:54.000 team that shooting. 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.360 I could run. People can run, and. 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.200 That's names that you play and seek an attacking him. 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:03.880 He's gonna pick out people on the run. That's beams 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:06.760 really about him. And sometimes when he gets involved down 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.160 in a half put, if you have another player playing 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.439 with him and you know, let's say you're because he's 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.520 so worthily Moon and other players you're. 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.879 Playing up from when he wins, I think that's hurting 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:17.480 a little bit. 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:19.639 We think it would be better in the block. 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.639 Oh no, no, yeah, right now he gates fates and 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.640 say because the size and the fastest ability, he's one 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.520 of the three greatest players in the player. 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:31.000 He's an out falling figure. 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:35.080 He's gonna break every record in this leader and he's 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.800 someone that greatly amount pas like, how do uh, it's 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:39.720 hard to do? 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:43.800 What he's done, but he cares about the un cares 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:44.440 about winning. 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.959 Who's rhythmed to take care of himself when you ever 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.440 hear anything bad about him, Yeah, he is a consoo. 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:56.119 But it's guys not necessarily point guards because he plays that, 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.240 but combo guards that can shoot the three and also. 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.520 Handle and pass and kind of kind of that's that. 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.080 Long, versatile defender that you guys like that the Toronto 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:07.040 likes somebody challenge. 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.159 Yeah, that's a challenge because the problem is with the 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:13.919 team on him. They're usually drafting very low. Yes, they 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:14.720 don't get in. 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:16.760 Any area where they can find on those players. 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.040 It doesn't have to be in the top ten. They 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:20.400 should do more good. 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.760 Later than half or eleast second round, they might find 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:23.560 a player like that. 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:27.760 And hopefully that will that will happen. That's a. 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:30.560 Just a different role thing. 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:32.520 Yeah, it's interesting. 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:36.040 Rosters with him on it look different than other rosters 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:37.679 that people construct, just. 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.280 Because of all the unique things that he can do. 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:42.840 Well, you put you know, you put him with players 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.639 that are where he didn't every night just have it 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:49.080 doesn't have it scoring row. He knows a lot better 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:53.200 than well and people don't realize how wearing and how 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:55.800 dependent the people that. 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:59.320 Come home and they're just taking some granted, and so 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:04.040 he doesn't have night and he's you need but some height. 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.040 How hard you trying to spread it? Sometimes you just can't. 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:10.800 You can't note shots if you normally made. 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.720 And he's only been to score because he's going to 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:15.840 dwell a file and get into three fair manuge. 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.800 But he's a player that he really great me and 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:20.400 you've been billing it for so long. 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.440 Get guy, Yeah, CHRISTI sess he's had he's had to say, 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:25.359 he's gonna break all the all the records. 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.200 He've been there for a number of year. That's the 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:30.800 amazing tribute if not only if his play, but you're 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:31.639 doing willing. 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:36.359 So a little behind the scenes here, so before I 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:40.520 ask this question, and I'm a little hesitant in asking it, 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:43.240 so I'm a little long winded in getting there. 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:46.240 So I'm trying to get him to. 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:47.400 Address winning time. 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:49.760 I'm trying to figure out way to do that. 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:53.760 And I've had lunch with Jerry a few times, and 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:56.920 I've been out with them socially as well, and I've 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:02.440 never seen him drink, not one time, not once, So 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:06.520 to me, it was really fascinated that Winning Time made 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.440 him look like an alcoholic, just made him look like 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.880 a guy who throws his trophy through his office window, 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.280 and that he's at the bar getting fucked up meeting 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:21.720 his future wife. Crazy shit, I was cause I saw 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:25.919 a Winning Time after we met extremely sus at this depiction, 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:30.920 So I asked him about alcohol use, thinking that might 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:36.320 lead us into the Winning Time discussion. But we actually 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:41.159 ended up on this really interesting side road somehow about 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:46.360 the blueprint on giving constructive criticism, how you balance being 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.800 brutally honest and being a relationship guy, because I think 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:53.840 that's insanely hard to balance. And then somehow we got 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:57.200 on the role of social media and debate show talking 0:20:57.320 --> 0:20:58.840 heads in today's NBA. 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:03.400 Then he throws subtle shade at the Lakers, at stephen 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:05.240 A and JJ Reddick. 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:06.359 What a turn. 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:10.960 Did not expect this, By the way, Gotta remember we're 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:12.800 about an hour and a half into this interview and 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:13.919 he is cooking. 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:18.560 One of the craziest things that I saw. And then 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:21.200 I've known about you for a long time is that 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.800 you don't drink. And I'm pretty sure correct me if 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:26.080 I'm wrong, that you've. 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:28.119 Never had well, you know as I say, I'm not 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:31.160 saying I don't get mean, okay, but I never any. 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:32.159 Alcohol in the family. 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:32.800 My kid. 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:36.520 If I hadn't drink after me my night had a 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:39.280 black king time. But I'm not gonnaything at all. 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:40.960 Like I don't like that. 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:43.240 It does to you know, if I'm not, I just 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:46.520 don't like to run around their family and my father 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:51.040 smills heavily. There was no way that I can smoke 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:53.119 anything and listen, I'm not. 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:54.520 Approve of each other. So I'm going to get the 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:57.119 fast it because there's things and I've just smoke. 0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:00.639 You do this, Yeah, I'm not going to I'm not 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:04.600 gonna have. Yeah, some people don't have really honest and 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:05.560 some people don't. 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:06.159 Mention be with that. 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:07.880 That's an interesting question. 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:10.840 So how do you balance that being brutally honest in 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:14.000 a talent evaluation role When people are kind of like 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:16.280