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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Let's bring in Pat forty Sports illustrated senior

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Speaker 1: writer and a college football insider. Good morning, Pat. A

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Speaker 1: lot to digest over the weekend. Where are you going

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Speaker 1: to start? Let's start with Lincoln Riley. I gotta start

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Speaker 1: up there. I mean, the biggest college to college coaching

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Speaker 1: move I can remember. You know, usually if people don't

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Speaker 1: leave Oklahoma unless they're retiring, maybe going to the NFL,

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Speaker 1: maybe a scandal chase them out to go leave Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: for another job is remarkable, and I think it says

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Speaker 1: a lot Dan about where Oklahoma is heading. And I'd

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Speaker 1: say Lincoln Riley, well, he may be running two the

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Speaker 1: beach in LA. He's also running away from the SEC.

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Speaker 1: And I don't blame him. Yeah, I brought that up,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know, I haven't heard, but I just

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Speaker 1: figured if you had a chance to play for a

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Speaker 1: national championship or continue your run, you got a better

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Speaker 1: chance at USC than I think you do take an

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma into the SEC. Is that fair to say, though, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think it's fair to say. Certainly. I

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Speaker 1: will hear what he says at the press conference today,

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Speaker 1: although i'd imagine, you know, it's going to be all

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Speaker 1: about why USC is a wonderful place, which it is.

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Speaker 1: But what's the one thing that has changed. It's where

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma is going to make its conference affiliation. And he

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Speaker 1: changed when that changed. So I look at it and say,

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Speaker 1: all the advantages that he had at Oklahoma in terms

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Speaker 1: of being able to dominate a conference, recruit where you

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Speaker 1: want and who you want, less competition, less you know,

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Speaker 1: just bloodthirsty week end and week out battles, and you

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Speaker 1: can still play for a national championship, especially if and

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Speaker 1: when we get the expanded playoff, which should be soon.

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Speaker 1: I'd go to USC as well. How blindsided was Oklahoma?

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Speaker 1: I think they were pretty blindsided. You know. I talked

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Speaker 1: to somebody there last week who who took Great Umbridge

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Speaker 1: and I really I was inquiring about LSU because that's

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Speaker 1: where the smoke was. But it took Great Umbradge. So

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Speaker 1: why do people always say that our coaches would leave?

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Speaker 1: They said that about Bob Steps need to leave. Now

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Speaker 1: they're saying about Lincoln. I don't think he's gonna leave.

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Speaker 1: There's no indication he's gonna leave. Then all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden he's going to leave. So it's something at the

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Speaker 1: very end of the week, whether it's Friday, whether it

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Speaker 1: was Saturday. I think things started to percolate and there

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Speaker 1: became a little bit of turbulence there. But I don't

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Speaker 1: think Oklahoma saw this coming until very late in the game.

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Speaker 1: All Right, what's Oklahoma do? What's LSU do? Pooh? Those

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Speaker 1: are great questions. It's interesting to me that Bob stoop

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Speaker 1: Stepson is the interim and he may just do like

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Speaker 1: Barry Alvres did, just say, Look, I'm gonna coach this

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Speaker 1: bowl game and enjoy it and that's it. What if

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Speaker 1: Bob stupid says, you know what, I like this, I'd

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Speaker 1: like to stay. I'd like to be the head coach.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure that's out of the question.

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Speaker 1: I know. The release from Oklahoma yesterday did not say

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Speaker 1: I am only coaching the bowl game period, just said

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Speaker 1: he would be the interim for the bowl game. If

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Speaker 1: not him, hey, his brother is doing a heck of

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Speaker 1: a job at Kentucky and maybe realizing he's scraping the

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Speaker 1: ceiling of what Kentucky could do. What better place to

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Speaker 1: go than Ogloman have the backing of your legendary brother

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Speaker 1: there who knows everyone and everything about that program. The

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Speaker 1: other option, I think Matt Campbell, who's at Iowa State

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Speaker 1: and has had five straight winning seasons there, which hadn't

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Speaker 1: happened at that school since the nineteen twenties. So I

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Speaker 1: think that's where that list starts. LSU, I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Mark Stoops could be in play there. I

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Speaker 1: last ditch swing at jimbo Fitcher. There's been some talk

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Speaker 1: about NFL candidates, but the LSU situation has gotten really intriguing.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's look at what you think the playoff

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Speaker 1: rankings are going to look like tomorrow night, and then

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Speaker 1: let's handicap as we move into the following weekend. So

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Speaker 1: how's it play out tomorrow night? I think Georgia one,

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Speaker 1: Michigan two, probably Cincinnati three, and then the real intrigue,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you can probably have Alabama still in there.

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Speaker 1: Alabama does lose. The fallout from Michigan's win is what.

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Speaker 1: It's huge, I think, I mean just massive for Jim

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh's finest day obviously in that job, something they've been

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Speaker 1: waiting for for six years, you know. And I think

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Speaker 1: ever since that fourth and one spot for JT. Barrett

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, his program stalled and then declined, and

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Speaker 1: now this shoots it back up with a vengeance. And

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Speaker 1: they're sixteen minutes away against Iowa if they don't have

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Speaker 1: a letdown from going to the playoff. And let's be frank,

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Speaker 1: Michigan has been a great program for a long time,

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Speaker 1: but they haven't been a national championship competitor in a

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Speaker 1: got a shot to do it. You finally get over

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Speaker 1: against anybody. How valuable though, do you think that Alabama

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's super valuable, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it kept him from being eliminated, But that was

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I look at them. I have not

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Speaker 1: that they are missing obviously a lot of incredible talent

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Speaker 1: against mediocre competition. What if Alabama beats Georgia. Alabama beats Georgia,

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Speaker 1: then I think the playoffs pretty easy. Then if the

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Speaker 1: other games go according to plan, it's George it's Alabama,

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Speaker 1: that would be where the tension would lie. We always

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Speaker 1: gotta have some tension, Dan, even if we got to

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Speaker 1: make it up on the last day. But if Alabama wins,

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Speaker 1: then the SEC gets too in and everybody starts complaining

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Speaker 1: about that. I just got my Heisman paperwork. Who is

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Speaker 1: the leading candidate? Do we have it? It's like the

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young the Heisman winner? De facto Heisman winner? I

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Speaker 1: don't know. He was bad for fifty eight and a

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Speaker 1: I look at it this way is usually the best

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Speaker 1: long as they're offensive players. This year, the best players

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Speaker 1: on the whole top six are all defensive players. George's

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Speaker 1: I say, let's just put a one, two, three defensive

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Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. I would love to

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Speaker 1: for a long long time. I go back to when

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Speaker 1: the Broncos beat the Packers in the Super Bowl. The

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Speaker 1: make them mbps. You have to give it to one person,

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Speaker 1: George's defensive unit. I mean, can we give him little

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Speaker 1: I mean, like Jordan Davis is the best player, but

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Speaker 1: his stats are minister tool because he's a nose guard.

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Speaker 1: What he does is just come up the line and

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's tough to quantify, but they deserve it.

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Speaker 1: That is by far the best unit in America either

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Speaker 1: side of the ball, and really they're on like historic

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Speaker 1: record setting pace. What game you're going to next weekend?

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Speaker 1: I will be in Atlanta for the Tide and the Bulldogs.

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Speaker 1: Safe Travels is always, Pat, thanks for joining us. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time, my pleasure. Dam thank you. Be sure

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio wapp. Let me bring

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Speaker 1: in Albert bree Or, the senior NFL reporter for the

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Speaker 1: Monday morning quarterback Ohio State Apologist, and let's start there. Albert,

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Speaker 1: how was that day watching Michigan and the Ohio State? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was tough. It's been a while, you know, so

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Speaker 1: I think ten years. I mean I say ten years,

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Speaker 1: Luke Fickle was the interim and so really it's like

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Speaker 1: which is mind blowing. So yeah, it was frustrating and

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Speaker 1: And I felt that way with the Michigan pass rushers

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Speaker 1: for the last month. I know you covered the NFL,

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Speaker 1: but obviously college football with Lincoln Riley, what's happened with

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. I was told Lincoln Riley was offered

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Speaker 1: twelve million dollars a year by LSU. How do you

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Speaker 1: think this plays out with other coaches, Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury's probably going to go, hey do I have

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Speaker 1: to flirt with Oklahoma or LSU to get a pay raise? Here?

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Speaker 1: With the Arizona Cardinals, what do you think happens? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's just sort of changes the dynamic. And

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Speaker 1: I think there are some people that would argue Dan

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Speaker 1: that it's been a long time coming. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you think about like what players make, and if you

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Speaker 1: the players who are making ten, twelve, fourteen million dollars

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Speaker 1: there's no argument those guys aren't as valuable as a

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Speaker 1: those guys. It's just having a great head coaches as

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Speaker 1: any sport, right, And so like, I think that there

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Speaker 1: maybe has been a market correction coming here because of

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think it's star did to some

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Speaker 1: degree with Matt Rule in that like he I think

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Speaker 1: now they're about I think there are nine NFL coaches

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Speaker 1: Russ has two more years left. Could Russell Wilson, Pola,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of the Ravens. As

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Speaker 1: much as I look at Lamar and I'm fascinated, but

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Speaker 1: it feels like he's a one off in the playoffs

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Speaker 1: where you go, man, he's really hard to defend. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're closer to being a super

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Speaker 1: Bowl contender than they were last year. And we know

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Speaker 1: Cleveland was on a lot of the shortlist of playing

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Speaker 1: in the AFC title game here. Yeah, so they're both

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Speaker 1: kind of interesting. The Ravens feel lucky, they sort of

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Speaker 1: they've survived here, which I guess that's what you want.

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Speaker 1: But what do you are the Ravens are Super Bowl contender.

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Speaker 1: I think these two teams are like a very different spots.

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Speaker 1: I think for the Ravens this is about injuries. And

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Speaker 1: I give John Harbaugh all the credit in the world.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's done a dying to my job.

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Speaker 1: And if they wind up with the one, number one

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Speaker 1: or number two, seat. I think he deserves Coach of

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Speaker 1: the Year consideration. The amount of things that they've lost,

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Speaker 1: like running backs, are more important to them than most

447
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Speaker 1: other teams because the way they run their offense. They

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Speaker 1: lost their top two running backs JK. Dobbins and Gus Edwards.

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Speaker 1: They lost their left tackle Ronnie Stanley. That's a sort

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Speaker 1: of injury that can be crippling for teams. You know,

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Speaker 1: they lose Marcus Peters, their number two corner. You know,

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Speaker 1: you just you look at the injuries they've had across

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Speaker 1: the board, and then the kind of tikie tack stuff

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Speaker 1: that's taking guys out right, like where the receiver room

455
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Speaker 1: was like basically a mash unit for two months, and

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Speaker 1: you know, Lamar goes down and he's out for a game.

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Speaker 1: I just like it's one of those things where it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you want to believe they're gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to keep this going, but so much of it feels

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Speaker 1: like smoking mirrors. And it's a great credit to everyone

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Speaker 1: in that building that they've made it work. And so

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Speaker 1: I think with the Ravens, it's more can we continue

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Speaker 1: to scotch tape the thing together on a week to

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Speaker 1: week basis? Because we are really really limping here, whereas

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Speaker 1: with the Browns, I think it's more. I would just

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Speaker 1: say I think some of the magic they had in

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Speaker 1: that locker room last year where they were a gritty, tough, like,

468
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Speaker 1: there were so many things about that team last year

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Speaker 1: that was sort of like all right, like Kevin Stefanski

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Speaker 1: has the culture turn there, I think with some of

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Speaker 1: the moves they made in the offseason, they lost a

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Speaker 1: little bit of that, and so I think that they

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Speaker 1: are maybe a little less resilient than they were last year.

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Speaker 1: And obviously, since it's Cleveland, when things go even a

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Speaker 1: little bit wrong, because of the history of that franchise,

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Speaker 1: the way that team's covered like, they have a way

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Speaker 1: of getting magnified. Great to talk to you is always Aubert.

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Barry Trammell covers the Oklahoma Sooners,

495
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Speaker 1: the great columnists for the Oklahoma and he joins us. Now,

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Speaker 1: if I told you a week ago Lincoln Riley was

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Speaker 1: going to be the USC head coach, who would have said,

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Speaker 1: what said? It's possible. It doesn't seem likely, but it's possible.

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Speaker 1: I was pretty sure he wasn't going to LSU. But

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Speaker 1: turns out maybe that was a trojan horse all that

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Speaker 1: sec you know, LSU or Florida or wherever, going to

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Speaker 1: going to Southern cow makes some sense when you think

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Speaker 1: about it. If a coach doesn't want to jump into

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Speaker 1: the into the dinner Vipers that the SEC can be

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Speaker 1: if he wants to replicate what he had at Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: USC is a pretty good place to do it. That's

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Speaker 1: a place he should go and could quickly dominate the conference. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I understand that where Oklahoma in the Big Twelve, you're

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Speaker 1: kind of separated, and you go to the PAC twelve,

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Speaker 1: you have that opportunity to stay separated. You go into

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Speaker 1: the SEC. You know this ain't the Big Twelve. How

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Speaker 1: much do you think this is him running to USC

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Speaker 1: or running away from the SEC? I think well, I

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Speaker 1: mean I think it's the same. If you ask me

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Speaker 1: if Oklahoma and joined the SEC, or made the intent

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Speaker 1: to go to the SEC, would Lincoln Riley still be

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Speaker 1: the coach? I think the answers yes, really. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he wanted to go to the SEC. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think he'd been successful there, but the success level

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Speaker 1: would have been different from what Oklahoma's accustomed to dominating

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Speaker 1: the conference. You know, they lost Bedlam Saturday night. That

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Speaker 1: ended six straight years of winning the Big Twelve. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's sort of the standard he's set. That's the

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Speaker 1: standard he expects. You're a I'm going to do that

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Speaker 1: in the SEC. Alabama doesn't win sixth straight SEC titles

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Speaker 1: and they're Alabama, so I think he can go to USC,

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Speaker 1: you know you. The PAC twelve is sort of open range.

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Speaker 1: Anybody that's ready to take over. It's it's there for

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Speaker 1: the taking, and somebody like Lincoln Riley could go to

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Speaker 1: could go to LA and do just exactly that. So

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Speaker 1: the wish list at Oklahoma starts with who well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think Oklahoma is sort of a unique place. They've

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Speaker 1: one time in their history, literally have they hired a

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Speaker 1: sitting head coach. That was Howard Schnellenberger in nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 1: It was a disaster. He lasted one year. They've always

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Speaker 1: hired an up and coming assistant coach they believe in

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Speaker 1: their program more than personality. Barry Switzer, Bob Stubs, Chuck Fairbanks,

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Speaker 1: Bud Wilkinson. I mean, all the big names had never

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Speaker 1: been head coaches before they got to Oklahoma, so that's

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Speaker 1: not necessarily what they'll do now. The transport per port

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Speaker 1: all changes everything. In the past, when you change coaches,

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Speaker 1: you had to worry about your future rosters and recruiting.

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Speaker 1: Now you got to worry about your current roster, keeping

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Speaker 1: people together. You need sort of a steady hand. That

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Speaker 1: could mean, that could mean the immediate wisdom is needed.

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Speaker 1: Guys who can keep the ship going. In terms of

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Speaker 1: names being thrown a brown, Shane Biemer at South Carolina,

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Speaker 1: he was on Link and staff until a year ago.

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Speaker 1: He's a guy to look for because very impressive. The

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Speaker 1: Beamer family is his classy and as well respected as

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Speaker 1: any in America. And that's not just Frank. Shane is

552
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Speaker 1: the same way. Oh you loved him. If he was

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00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: still on Lincoln's staff, I think he'd already have been

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Speaker 1: named head coach. So he's one to keep an eye

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Speaker 1: on the Sooners. We'll talk to Brent Venables, also thirteen

556
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Speaker 1: year assistant for Bob Stoops went to Clemson ten years

557
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Speaker 1: ago and has helped Dabo Swinney build an empire. He's

558
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Speaker 1: only fifty been coaching, you know, twenty five years in

559
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Speaker 1: college football, but he's only fifty years old. He will

560
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Speaker 1: be a viable candidate, and I think, oh, you will

561
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Speaker 1: look at some of the some of the hot coaches.

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Speaker 1: The guy I think to keep an eye on as

563
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Speaker 1: Matt Rule, who did wonderful at Baylor. He's always wanted

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Speaker 1: to coach in the NFL. He's now been there two years.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he likes it. I know that

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Speaker 1: if you go to the NFL and don't have a quarterback,

567
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: it's not that great of a job. So his man

568
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Speaker 1: Rule ready to come back to college. I can say this.

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Speaker 1: I've been covering college football for forty years. Most impressive

570
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Speaker 1: person I've come across as a coach slash personality in

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Speaker 1: coaching is Matt Rule. So that's who That's who I

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Speaker 1: would call. So those are some of the names. What

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Speaker 1: about Bob Stoops. Bob Stoops I don't think wants to

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Speaker 1: get back in the call, Okay, but what a great

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Speaker 1: what a what a great resource he is to step

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Speaker 1: in and be able to, you know, try to try

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Speaker 1: to keep things steady here for the next week or

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Speaker 1: month or every how long he needs to be the

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Speaker 1: interim coach. Uh, Bob got away because of the stress.

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Speaker 1: He got away because of the demands. He got away

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Speaker 1: because of the social media and the changing times. Bob

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Speaker 1: Stoops not into he's not into TikTok And then I, hell,

583
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: that's not his deal. So you know, that's what you

584
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: gotta be if you're a head coach these days. What

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Speaker 1: would you say to USC fans listening to this in

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles of what you're getting with Lincoln Riley? He

587
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: had a fantastic coach. I mean, he's he does everything

588
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: in a classy manner. Now, you know, you fans don't

589
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Speaker 1: like the way he left, or that he left or whatever,

590
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Speaker 1: but he's a he's a great coach. He's not just

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Speaker 1: an offensive savant. He's a great leader. He's a good

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Speaker 1: he's a good administrator. He's he's the sharpest guy in

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Speaker 1: whatever room he walks into. UM. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 1: home run higher for USC. There's not any questions about that.

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Speaker 1: The only question I would have for USC is how

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Speaker 1: long can you keep it? Does Lincoln eventually want to

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Speaker 1: go to the NFL? With the answers, No, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: be You're gonna have a good coach for for quite

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Speaker 1: a while, and I think I think you Trojans will

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Speaker 1: ascend to the top of the pack twelfth pretty quickly.

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Speaker 1: Great to catch up with you. It's always very thank

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Speaker 1: you for your time you met. Thanks. Be sure to

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Speaker 1: so what'd you think of the higher with Lincoln Riley. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a good day to be a Trojan Dan.

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Speaker 1: I think that one kind of came out of left field.

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Speaker 1: Nobody was expecting it, Nobody was really talking about it.

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Speaker 1: His name wasn't thrown around the rumorville, and now he's

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Speaker 1: he's headed to LA to be the next coach at USC,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's a fantastic win for the Trojans. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I know that you know, we got you in a

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Speaker 1: little bit of trouble when you brought up Mike Tomlin's

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Speaker 1: name on the wish list. But was Lincoln Riley's name

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Speaker 1: on that wish list? And if so, how far back

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Speaker 1: oh he was, he would have been at the top

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Speaker 1: of the list. I just don't think anybody really knew

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Speaker 1: his current contract situation. He only has or had one

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Speaker 1: year left on his deal in Oklahoma. You know, it

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00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: seemed like a great fit, you know, for him to

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Speaker 1: stay at Oklahoma for the long haul. He'd had a

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Speaker 1: ton of success and come in and I think in

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Speaker 1: four or five years been to the playoffs three or

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Speaker 1: the four years, three or five years. So you know,

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Speaker 1: it just it just wasn't on His name, was not

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Speaker 1: on people's radar. And I think a majority of USC

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Speaker 1: fans across the country if they would have known Lincoln

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Speaker 1: was in the running, he would have been at the

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Speaker 1: top of everybody's list. Okay, is there somebody that you

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Speaker 1: thought was going to get it? Well, I think the

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Speaker 1: obvious tie was the Luke Fickle tie with University of

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati and Mike Bone, the current USC athletic director, having

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Speaker 1: hired coach Fickle to Cincinnati when when Mike was at Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: it just was a natural fit. But this one, I mean,

641
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: and this timing, you just didn't feel this timing. You

642
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: didn't think there was going to be announcement coming over

643
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving weekend. But like I said, I mean, just a

644
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: huge win for all Trojans. But if you're a high

645
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: school quarterback, and let's say your four or five star recruit,

646
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: it feels like those quarterbacks have been leaving Southern California.

647
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: Is Lincoln Riley enough for these, you know, high school

648
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: seniors to say I'm going to stay here in Southern California? Oh? Absolutely,

649
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: I mean he's just look at the last two quarterbacks

650
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: he had, and Kyler Murray and Baker Mayfield, both of

651
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: them went number one in the draft, both of them

652
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: won Heisman Trophies. You know, they didn't have a ton

653
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: of time to work under Lincoln and under his tutelage

654
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: to really develop, but he developed them extremely quickly, which

655
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: if you look at high school recruits right now, what's

656
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: important is quick success. Nobody wants to go to university

657
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 1: and wait two or three years and be the starter

658
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: and you know, wait for his turn. Guys want to

659
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: go into college and play now, and they want to

660
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: have success early. So if you're a young a young

661
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: high school kid with those kind of aspirations and you

662
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: just look at the track record of what Lincoln Riley's

663
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: done in a short amount of time with Kyler Murray,

664
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: a short amount of time with Baker Mayfield, I mean

665
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: that's proven success. Very very quick, very fast. So I

666
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: think that's a great recruiting tool that Lincoln can go

667
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: into these high school kids living rooms and sit in

668
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: front of their mom and dad and say, hey, look,

669
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: the proof's in the pudding. I only had a year

670
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: with Kyler, I had a very short amount of time

671
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: with Baker, and I've found a way to get the

672
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: best and to put the best talent out on the

673
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: field around these players, and I think that's been a

674
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: big factor in their success. Also, I think it's a

675
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: great hire for USC. I think it's a smart move

676
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: logistically for Lincoln Riley because you can sort of have

677
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: that Big Twelve feel, but now you're in the Pac

678
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: twelve because Oklahoma is going to the SEC. You can

679
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: still stand alone a little bit like you did with

680
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: Oklahoma in the Big twelve, and you can do that

681
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: in the Pac twelve. What do you think? Oh? Absolutely,

682
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: it's much more difficult to get to the Bull Championship,

683
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: to get to the playoffs. In the SEC, you gotta

684
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: worry about Georgia, you gotta worry about floor Today you

685
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: got Alabama and LSU and so on it. In the

686
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: Pac twelve, you've really got Oregon. If you're USC, and

687
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: I know they just got beat a couple of weeks

688
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: ago by UCLA. But for the most part, you know,

689
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: you've got a much easier route to get to the

690
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: playoffs going gumming from the PAC twelve. I mean, Oregon's

691
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: consistently pretty pretty good. I mean, you know, over the years,

692
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: last ten fifteen years, Oregan's really the only challenger that

693
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: SC has had, with an outlier every once in a

694
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: while with Stanford that's had a couple good years. You know,

695
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: Washington State, you know, has a couple of good years

696
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: every once in a while. But for the most part,

697
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: it's a USC Oregon conference. You go look at the SEC,

698
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: everybody's a contender outside of a couple of schools. Yeah,

699
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: I get it. And uh, you know, he did a

700
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: lot of recruiting in Southern California too, and then you're

701
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: going to get these kids who are going to decommit

702
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma and probably follow him to USC. You've already

703
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: got a couple, I mean, you're already starting to hear rumblings.

704
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: There's a couple of great players at Modern Day, which

705
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: is one of the powerhouses in Southern California and really

706
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: one of the powerhouse high schools in the country, and

707
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: they've got two five star recruits, the running back and

708
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: the quarterback both were committed to Oklahoma. I wouldn't be

709
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: surprised to see those guys change their minds and stay home.

710
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's tough to leave southern California when

711
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: you're a high school football player, and it's really tough

712
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: to leave southern California and go to Norman, Oklahoma. And

713
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: then you factor in, you know, the family and friends

714
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: that are close that can now come and see you

715
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: and get in a car and drive and watch you

716
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: play at SC compared to getting on a flight or

717
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: three flights getting to Norman. You know, he's going to

718
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: start getting that kind of Pete Carroll respect from the

719
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: recruiting class as where everybody out of California SCS in

720
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: their top five when Pete Carroll was there, and I

721
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 1: think you're going to see that same thing with Lincoln Riley.

722
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: You have not seen that. And it's from the Clay

723
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: Hilton area. There's tons of kids that don't even take

724
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: a trip to SC and they go to the SEC,

725
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: they go to the Big twelve. They've headed outside of

726
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: California they've gone to Oregon. Now, I think you're going

727
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: to see that Pete Carroll following of these high school

728
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: kids in California staying in state and giving see a

729
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: really hard look. What was the wildest thing that happened

730
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: on a recruiting trip for you. I had a great

731
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: recruiting trip to the University of Colorado when when Rick

732
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: new Heisl was there and Colorado wasn't a big powerhouse

733
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: at the time. I just I just had a great

734
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: relation with Coach new Heisl and really really liked him

735
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: and wanted to be a part of what he had

736
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: going at Colorado at the time. And our recruiting trip,

737
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: we we went paintballing, we went river rafting, We just

738
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: did some outside the box things that you wouldn't expect

739
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: to do on a recruiting trip. And that was part

740
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: of you know, that was what one of the things

741
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: that made Rick Neewheisl such a great recruiter. He was

742
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: a phenomenal recruiter. Is he found ways to exploit the

743
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: places that he was University of Washington, UCLA, Colorado, He

744
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: used the um, he used all the things he had

745
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 1: in his own backyard to attract kids. You just wanted

746
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: a free trip to Colorado, didn't you. You weren't going there,

747
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: no doubt. No, I mean I hadn't been to Boulder.

748
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 1: I'd heard good things and at the time New haisl

749
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: had there were an up and coming program, and um,

750
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, being a southern California kid, you wanted to

751
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: get outside of sokal and go see. I went to

752
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, I went to Colorado and SC and had

753
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: a blast on all my recruiting trips. Okay, no names,

754
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: but what were you offered anything interesting anywhere? No? I

755
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: mean that when I was coming up, and then when

756
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: I was in the league, I was always hearing stories

757
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: about a number of SEC schools. There's you know, when

758
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: when you go to USC, you got to be so

759
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: careful if if they're if they're extracurricular activities going on,

760
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 1: and you know kids are getting paid pre the name,

761
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: image and likeness world. There's a MLA, there's use USC grads,

762
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: UCLA grads, Oregon and Washington. You go on down the list.

763
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: You go to Tuscaloosa, Alabama, there's not a whole bunch

764
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: of Auburn fans. You go to Baton Rouge, there's not

765
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: a bunch of Georgia Bulldogs in that area, and they

766
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: protect their own. So all the stories I heard were

767
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: coming out of the SEC where they were really small

768
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: college towns and they could really control who was seeing

769
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: some so and so right around in a new Mercedes

770
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: or a new Cadillac Escalade. We're talking to Carson Palmer,

771
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: who got offered nothing to go to USC right a

772
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: great education, Yes, I know, I paid for two of

773
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: those educations. All right. Um, when you're playing and you

774
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 1: want to play, but you know that you're not helping

775
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: your team play, who's it on to take Baker out?

776
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: Or you know, Matthew Stafford looked like he was banged

777
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: up yesterday. At some point, when does who makes that

778
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: decision that it's better for us if you're not out

779
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: there they're trying to get this out. It's a team decision,

780
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: and when you're talking about the quarterback of a franchise,

781
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: it's a decision between Baker, the team doctor, the head

782
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: team trainer, the owner, the GM and the head coach.

783
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: You can't just put it on the player because the

784
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: player is always gonna say I'm good, I'm fine. It's

785
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: it's it's a collective discussion where everybody puts, you know,

786
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: puts their weight in their makes their decision, comes up

787
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: with why the reasons why why not? But you can't

788
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: put it on one individual. And right now it looks

789
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: like Baker's hurt. And the good thing that the Cleveland

790
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: Browns have in their back pocket is case Keenom. Case

791
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: Keenum is a flat player. I mean, it hasn't worked

792
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: out great when he's a starter year after year after year.

793
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: But when he can spell a banged up you know,

794
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: shoulder that Baker may have, or rib or whatever the

795
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: issues he has, you can still win a lot of

796
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: games with him, especially with the talent they have. So

797
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, the best thing that Baker has and the

798
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns have right now is case Keenum. And it

799
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: looks like you know, it looks like Baker's banged up.

800
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: And if that group of minds get together and decide

801
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: that the best thing for the team is Case Keenan,

802
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: that they need to make that decision. I didn't understand

803
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: this logic, and you can certainly help understand this. You

804
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: got Aaron Rodgers playing on a toe that might need surgery.

805
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: If you're the Rams, why aren't you going out of

806
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: your way. Let's just put pressure on him. I know

807
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: he can carve you up, he's looking for the blitz

808
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: and all of those things, but I have to make

809
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: him uncomfortable. And it just didn't feel like the Rams

810
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: made Rogers as uncomfortable as they should have. Yeah, you

811
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: would like to see them come out in the first

812
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: three or four drives and just put a ton of

813
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: pressure on them and make him move, make him getting

814
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: some uncomfortable situations and get off balance and throw off

815
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: platform where he has to put a little more weight

816
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: on that pinky toe and get him uncomfortable, like you said.

817
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: But you know, they just kind of sat out and said,

818
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna try to cover him. We're gonna keep the

819
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: ball in front of us. I personally would have liked

820
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: them to see put a ton of pressure on him

821
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: early and if he gets you in the first two

822
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: or three drives, you can then back off and sit

823
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: and play zone and keep the ball in front of

824
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: you and not let him throw it over your head.

825
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: But it just was too easy. I mean, when you

826
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: see these quarterbacks that are banged up, and then you

827
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: know Sunday Night was a great example. Baltimore knew that

828
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: he was hurting. They could tell Baker was hurting. They

829
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: read all the press clippings, they've seen it, and they

830
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: came after him. I mean they were bringing not cover

831
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: zero full pressures, but they consistently brought pressure and got

832
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: him outside the pocket, made him move, made him get

833
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: off platform, and throw some balls that you know, you know,

834
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 1: typically a healthy Baker would make, but it injured Baker's

835
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: not going to make. And you would like to have

836
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: seen that with the Rams yesterday. But for whatever reason,

837
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: they came back and they wanted to keep the ball

838
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: in front of him, and they got almost forty points

839
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: hung and I'm unfortunately, Yeah, I just I wonder about

840
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: that because he might be playing himself out of getting

841
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: that long term contract by wanting to play to help

842
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: this team. Yeah, I mean that that tough guy mentality

843
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: is something that you want your quarterback to half. Every

844
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 1: organization wants their franchise player to say, I can play

845
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: no matter what. But again, this group of doctors and

846
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: professionals and gems and head coach, they need to get

847
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: together and make that decision as a team and what's

848
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: best for the team. But from a contractual standpoint going forward,

849
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: I mean you can't sit here and say that Baker's

850
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: earned a long term contract that's going to pay him

851
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: forty million bucks a year. It's just flat out the

852
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: play on the field has not shown that he's worth

853
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: thirty forty fifty million bucks a year, which is where

854
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 1: these contracts are heading currently. So they're in a tough spot.

855
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's tough not to resign and give

856
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: a long term extension to a guy that's number one pick,

857
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: a guy that's kind of kept you somewhat in the

858
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: playoff hunt every year he's been there but not getting

859
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. And with the talent they have, they've

860
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: got some huge decisions to make this offseason. As a

861
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: former great quarterback, when I see Aaron Rodgers and I'm

862
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 1: talking about you being the former great quarterback, Aaron Rodgers,

863
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: just it still feels like there's a backyard mentality to

864
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: how he plays that position that you know, the guy

865
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: in the backyard, the quarterback is always the best athlete.

866
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: And it still feels that way. How does he how

867
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: is he able to do it where it feels like

868
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: it's it's when he's great, it's his effortless as anybody

869
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: who plays in the game. It's as unorthodox as anybody

870
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: I've ever seen play the position. I mean, you you know,

871
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: it's funny as the last twenty years have progressed the

872
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: position of playing quarterback, and it started back in the

873
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: day with the San Francisco forty nine ers and the

874
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: Steve Youngs and the Joe Joe Montana. Is the progression

875
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: one hitch, two hitch, first, second read, third read, four thread,

876
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: and you go through a progression, you read the curl

877
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: in the flat to the hook to the check them.

878
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: He doesn't play the game that way, and very very

879
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: few guys. I mean another guy that really doesn't play

880
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: that game that way is Mahomes. You rarely see them

881
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: take a five step drop, one hitch, two hitch, three

882
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: hitch throw. I mean, sometimes Aaron's in a back pedal,

883
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: Sometime he's in a traditional drop back. Sometimes he's doing

884
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: some sort of pump fake at the line of scrimmage

885
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 1: to pump them now and they pump a draw. He's

886
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: just absolutely, like you're saying it, he's playing in the

887
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: backyard and looking for somebody in the right mismatch situation,

888
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: looking for somebody just to give him a sliver of

889
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: room to fit a ball into. But as far as

890
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: playing the game the way that we're all taught, even

891
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: these young kids coming up right now, they're taught it's

892
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: a purely progression game. Aaron does not go through progressions.

893
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: He looks for a mismatch, finds a way to manipulate

894
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: the pocket, extend the play, and try to go for

895
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: the big chunk play and not throw that checkdown when

896
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: the defense is dictating that this ball needs to be

897
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 1: thrown to the checkdown. He's just not willing to take

898
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: that five yard throw. He wants that twenty five yard

899
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: back shoulder throw that we see him do weekend and

900
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: week out. As you said a couple of weeks ago,

901
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, teaching young kids don't emulate Aaron Rodgers because

902
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: you can't, and probably the same with Mahomes. But but

903
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: if you sat down with him, could he teach you

904
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: something about what he does that you wouldn't be aware

905
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: of right now? Oh? Absolutely. I mean there's so much

906
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: going on that we as NFL fans can't seem from

907
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: the NBC cut or the Fox cut. If we had

908
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: the coach's cut, which is that that camera that's at

909
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: the very top of the stadium that's showing all twenty

910
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: two players in the field at the same time. You

911
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: can pick up some things that way, but who knows.

912
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why he's so difficult to coach. And

913
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: you've seen kind of coaches there always seemed to be

914
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: somewhat on the hot seat. And you know, you know

915
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: from McCarthy and out the issues with the fleur we

916
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: were hearing about early on this year and last season.

917
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: He's got to be difficult to coach because you know,

918
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: you can call a play and number one is not open,

919
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: but number two is wide open. He over he just

920
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: moved right past number two, and every once in a

921
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: while he'll take a sack waiting for number three or

922
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 1: number four, hoping number four comes open in his read.

923
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: And that's got to drive coaches absolutely nuts. But absolutely,

924
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: hands down, he is worth the headache. Concerns about the Rams,

925
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: I'm not I mean, I know they've they've had a

926
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: couple tough weeks in a row, but at the end

927
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: of the day, Odell Beckham is still trying to figure

928
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: it out. Matt Stafford is still trying to figure him out.

929
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: We're going to see there's enough season left before the

930
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: playoffs start that we're going to start to see those

931
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: two guys mesh a little bit more. You saw Odell

932
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: catch the slugo the slant go route for the touchdown.

933
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: We're gonna start seeing more of that. He's getting more

934
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: and more comfortable with the formations. And that's one thing

935
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: you got to realize about a Sean McVay offense is

936
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: there is so much going on before the ball is snap.

937
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: There are so many ships, motions, movements, checks that are

938
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: happening that you just can't come in and pick those up,

939
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: no matter how smart you are, in two or three weeks.

940
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: Those you're gonna take a month, a month and a half. So,

941
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean, this team is just loaded with talent. They

942
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 1: have some of the best defensive players in all of football.

943
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: They have some of the best offensive players in all

944
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: of football. And when you have that combined with that coach,

945
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: it's a good recipe. I look to see them getting

946
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: into the playoffs and really picking up some steam. You

947
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: gave us piss missile last week, you promised another one

948
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: this week. So what are you offering up with football jargon? Dan?

949
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: I'm not an off the cuff kind of guy. It's it's, uh,

950
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: it's got to come naturally. You told me, you said,

951
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: I said, give me more, and you go wait till

952
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: next week. You didn't prepare. You did not prepare. In

953
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: Film Start two, I woke up at two this morning

954
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: preparing for the DP show. So I've been preparing all morning.

955
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: But it's it's got to naturally and organically come off

956
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: the top. You can't just ask for a list of

957
00:48:54,560 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: them maybe next week. That that's the cliffhanger. All right, Well,

958
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: congratulations on your Trojans. You're back. We're back, baby,