1 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Soon. 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast with Jaguars senior writer John Osher. 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 3: All Right, welcome into this week's Ozone podcast. And I'm 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 3: excited about this one. It's it's a special guest. Uh, 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 3: Los Angeles Rams general manager Less Sneid and I Less, 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 3: I know, normally don't talk a lot team to team, 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 3: but with James Gladstone coming in, I appreciate you taking 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 3: the time. 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: To do this. 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 4: Oh wait, this is where I started. So it's with 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 4: James going back. 12 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: It's full. 13 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 4: It's definitely full story, right, and was able to rekindle 14 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 4: even a relationship with Tony Boselli during that sure, even 15 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 4: though I know he had been around doing his radio 16 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 4: thing and things like that. 17 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 2: But he's always the core of the Jags. 18 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 4: So I mean, you know what, what was the first 19 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,959 Speaker 4: It's a pretty cool story for him, right first? Yeah, 20 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 4: first dra aspect ever, Yeah. 21 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: Earns the yellow jacket. 22 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 4: I mean, anybody if you're picking first in the draft, 23 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 4: I know that so many years later he's gonna. 24 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: First the pride of the Jaguars as well. 25 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 4: And then and to be a you know, an integral 26 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 4: piece of running the Jags moving forward. And the cool 27 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 4: thing is when I when we were. When I was 28 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 4: talking to Tony about James We'll get to it, you 29 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 4: could just feel his passion. Uh it really just oohs, 30 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 4: I want what's best for the Jags. There was I'm 31 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 4: sure he doesn't have to do this. I mean, maybe 32 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 4: this is better than you know, doing a day job 33 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 4: or something like that. But you could just tell there's 34 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 4: this there's this part of him that, you know what, 35 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 4: I just want the Jags to get back to being 36 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 4: a little bit who they were when they started that. 37 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: A lot of people probably don't even. 38 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 4: Remember because that was a pretty that was a pretty 39 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 4: cool run that coach Coauughlin started there. 40 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: We'll get to James, and I'm excited about talking about him, 41 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: But something you just said struck me. How important is 42 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: it for an organization that element you're talking about with 43 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 3: Tony knowing what it's supposed to be, about, what the 44 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 3: culture is supposed to be. 45 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? 46 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 4: It makes sense, I think, especially in the tech world 47 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 4: now with this whole AI thing and everyone's trying to 48 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 4: get AI more intelligent, and really I think a lot 49 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 4: of times when you read about AI, it's those little nuances, right, 50 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 4: So you think Tony started there in nineteen ninety five 51 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 4: and he's been there for thirty years, So there is 52 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 4: so much nuance that's compounded over time that's just running 53 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 4: probably subliminal in his his breain. 54 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: So I think it's better to think about it. 55 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 4: It's very important, especially if the motives are right, and 56 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 4: you see that probably would would college programs when you 57 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 4: if you can bring back someone who started or been 58 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 4: there before, either as a player, a student, assistant, things 59 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 4: like that. 60 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: If the if you still have passion. 61 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 4: If the motives are right, there is probably a vibe 62 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 4: there that are not outsider can't bring. 63 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 2: Just couldn't right. 64 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: As hard as they would. 65 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 4: Try, it would take a long time to get the 66 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 4: amount of nuanced let's call it knowledge into that algorithm. 67 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got you. 68 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: N ninety seven. 69 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: You were with the Jacks. 70 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: Uh tell me about your start and your memories of Jacksonville. 71 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 4: I think the my I started, I was a I've 72 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 4: joked the mascot it. 73 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: Was, it was Curtis de Vorcee. 74 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 4: Sure, so there was an element of jealousy, uh there 75 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 4: because we're just low level employees. 76 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: That was probably the lowest level in that building. We're 77 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: talking about the rubber floors, and so. 78 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 4: Scouting assistant was basically anything anyone needed to do, and 79 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 4: it wasn't scouting. 80 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 5: Uh. 81 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 4: And then a little bit that's how James started with myself. 82 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 4: But I can so jealous of Curtis because he was 83 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 4: a mascot and had it they him a car, and 84 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 4: we're we're really poor and just trying to survive. So 85 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 4: when we did play basketball, we would always try to 86 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 4: beat him. But it was all based on right, just 87 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 4: natural human nature and that so it started. I can 88 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 4: remember probably the first scouting report I ever wrote. Okay, 89 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 4: it was probably during a mini camp when there was 90 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 4: no pads going on. So I'd come from the SEC. 91 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 4: I thought I knew it all right, you're in the SEC, 92 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 4: big bad SEC, and I'd only really been a gradual 93 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 4: assistant coach there and said, but and I remember probably 94 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 4: rejecting John yorkobic when you saw John like this guy 95 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 4: it was easy to do, right, Yeah, just like this 96 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,679 Speaker 4: guy couldn't even play at all. But so that shows 97 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 4: you how wrong, uh, you know, when you're when you 98 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 4: think you're a young know it all, how wrong you 99 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 4: can be. 100 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 2: Coughlin had a camp without pads. 101 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 4: You know, I do think there was a moments where 102 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 4: we did go But I mean I was even thinking, 103 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 4: I can't even remember that. 104 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: Did we do? Did you do? 105 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,559 Speaker 4: Did we even what were OTA's called? 106 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: Could you even go pads? Then? 107 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 3: I don't think you could go pads, but you could 108 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 3: certainly push envelopes, yes, and Tom was able to do that. 109 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: So wait your best or how did that time with 110 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: Tom shapey? 111 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: I think it. 112 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 4: I think I've I've tried to do a one liner 113 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 4: for each probably great coach, great front off, great executive, 114 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 4: whatever owner that you've been with. I just I think 115 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 4: we were laughing. We were talking about painting the walls. 116 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 4: What you do consistency was what I in the in 117 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 4: the and that's everybody go, okay, that is cliche, but 118 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 4: when you actually see someone live it every single day 119 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 4: where you I can remember Pat Die Senior, who was 120 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 4: a coach at Auburn, saying, there's going to be moments 121 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 4: where you're just not going to be. 122 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: Fired up to play a game on Saturday. 123 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 4: It might be a hot, muggy, humid day in South Alabama. 124 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: But if we. 125 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 4: Consistently practice at a certain time during the day during 126 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 4: the summer, all year long, when that opponent shows up 127 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 4: and you really didn't want to play. They may be 128 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 4: more fired up you because they're coming to Auburn. You'll 129 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 4: just by habit be better prepared to handle that humidity 130 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 4: and things like that. So that but Tom was when 131 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 4: I can remember this story and it has nothing to 132 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 4: do with football, but used to work out early in 133 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 4: the morning, and I would try to in a competitive way. 134 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 4: You know what, if Tom gets there early, I'm going 135 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 4: to get there early to work out. But he would 136 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 4: come in and he had his routine Monday through Friday, 137 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 4: whatever it was. But if it was Tuesday and he 138 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 4: started at this time on this machine, he started at 139 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 4: that time on that machine, and he went to the 140 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 4: next one, next one there, and then on Wednesday he 141 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 4: had his and. 142 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: It was that way. That's how he lived. 143 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 4: And I think in those times, if you think about it, 144 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 4: an expansion team to playing an AFC Championship game probably 145 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 4: year two and that run there over those first especially 146 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 4: three to four years, he had I think consistency living consistency. Yeah, 147 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 4: definitely paid dividends. 148 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 3: So how much truth is there to the Starbucks meeting 149 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 3: with James? 150 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: Take me through that. 151 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 4: There's a lot of truth to the Starbucks meeting with James, 152 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 4: the one that the first time I met Jane or 153 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 4: I said that I didn't even meet James again. I 154 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 4: think everybody knows my son went to play football, and 155 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 4: really it was his dad is who really am impressed me. 156 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 4: So if you think at that time, my son's come 157 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 4: to Saint Louis, he's big into sports. I wish he 158 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 4: was more a Stem kid. Just wasn't a Stem kid. 159 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 4: And in Clayton High School at that point in time, 160 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 4: was it was. It was probably in the where it 161 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 4: was located more culturally art a lot of academic sports 162 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 4: was not its thing. Superintendent, their assistant superintendent said, you 163 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 4: ought to meet this guy, Gene Gladstone. We just hired him. 164 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 4: He had retired from coaching at ViOn. 165 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:55,679 Speaker 1: He was there. 166 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 4: We're gonna try to We talked him into doing Clayton football. 167 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 4: I go meet with him and you're just like, you 168 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 4: know what, my son's playing for this guy, I don't. 169 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: Care if we win a game. That's who you want. 170 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 4: Developers, but being a GM and things, I was like, 171 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 4: I'm out of the I'm not going to be the 172 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 4: helicopter dad around the program. So I really didn't know 173 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 4: James but I did. I remember going to a first 174 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 4: PTA meeting and it was new school orientation, new student 175 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 4: or probably all kids back to school, and James was 176 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 4: in charge of extracurriculars and Clayton High School had maybe 177 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 4: had four hundred clubs, and I remember this young guy 178 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 4: getting up there and I'm like, I mean the way 179 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 4: he presented, I was like, I remember going home and 180 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 4: tell my wife I want to join a club, Like, 181 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 4: I don't know which club I'm joining, It's probably not 182 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 4: the chess club. I want to join the club. And 183 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 4: it was that impressive. But then and then the little 184 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 4: girls that my wife had met him at the bonfire, just. 185 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: A very impressive human. 186 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 4: Again, I kind of dealt more with Gene his dad, 187 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,359 Speaker 4: not necessarily James, and trying not to be the helicopter 188 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 4: I was well aware of. 189 00:08:58,440 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: James was the OC. 190 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 4: But when I you know, when we connected, I connected 191 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 4: with Gene his dad. But at that point, yes, the 192 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 4: he had he had reached out as we were going 193 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 4: to leave to go to Los Angeles and said, I'd 194 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 4: love to have a meeting with you. So we had 195 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 4: this Starbucks that was on the corner that I always 196 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 4: frequented a great place to write. 197 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: It was the old school Scarbucks where you had couches 198 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: and how. 199 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 4: It used to be before everybody did mobile orders. Went 200 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 4: sat on a cool couch and talked about life. And 201 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 4: he said he might want to do right, you know, 202 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 4: this journey in the NFL, and not necessarily to be 203 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 4: a GM, but probably his his natural coded curiosity of expanding, 204 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 4: like let's call it broadening, expanding his horizons. 205 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: But you still got a chance that a guy can 206 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 3: You saw something in him? 207 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: Oh it was. 208 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 4: I knew from again that meeting. I first saw him 209 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 4: present all of those clubs. The time my wife had 210 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 4: got to know him, she's very, very student, going okay, 211 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 4: this this is special, this is unique, this is different. 212 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: This is not positive. 213 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 4: And then and then and then also seeing how he 214 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 4: handled probably being OC with his dad, because a lot 215 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 4: of times that could be you could see kids taking. 216 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: Advantage of that role. Sure, and you could from afar. 217 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 4: Tell how he he really navigated, like I'm gonna try 218 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 4: to be the best offensive coordinator I can be. I'm 219 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 4: gonna try to help kids right, evolve, develop, get closer 220 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 4: to being a young adult. Not necessarily you know what, 221 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 4: I'm the OC. My dad's the head coach. So now 222 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 4: I'm gonna be right this, I'm gonna be rate people, 223 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 4: I'm gonna be cocky whatever it is. 224 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: You can see how he navigated that far. 225 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 4: So what it was an e because I, like I 226 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 4: told him, the only thing I need you to do 227 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 4: is dominate this if you come to LA. Number one 228 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 4: is I don't want you to get in this to 229 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 4: try to be a coach, Like I don't want you 230 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 4: to come working scouting for a couple of years and 231 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 4: then you go coach Like now we've wasted each other's time. 232 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 4: And he promised me that wasn't what he want wanted 233 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 4: to do. I said, okay, I said, we're going to LA. 234 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 4: I've never relocated. I've never been in a part of a relocation. 235 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 4: This is going to be hectic. All I need you 236 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 4: really to do is make sure I have green tea 237 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 4: from Starbucks, ice green tea when I needed And he dominated, 238 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 4: like if anybody can dominate it, like I had so much. 239 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: I had green tea at all times. 240 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 4: The amount of green tea we probably emptied in the 241 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 4: scene was probably But what's interesting about James is from 242 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 4: that moment he had this sixth sense to really, really journal, 243 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 4: maybe what we needed, not just myself, but maybe the department. 244 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 4: And I always got you should have been a QB. 245 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 4: And maybe he couldn't pass because he was a receiver, 246 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 4: but he definitely could anticipate. He could read coverages, this 247 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 4: is where the balls should go now, and he anticipated, 248 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 4: so he anticipated getting green teas for myself, but then 249 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 4: from their point forward, he anticipated all the way up 250 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 4: to running basically our department, our draft. 251 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 2: And how. 252 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 3: What was maybe the first step where beyond the green tea, 253 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: the first assignment where he went, Okay, this guy is 254 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 3: going to be I. 255 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 4: Think one thing is is let's call it navigating, let's 256 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 4: call it the dynamics of the people in the building. 257 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 4: And and and I remember I brought up the OC 258 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 4: thing for a reason. There's a lot of times people 259 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 4: will get let's call it if it's your chief of 260 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 4: staff or your assistant, and there's there're gonna be your 261 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 4: voice a lot of times across the building when you're 262 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 4: not even there and you don't even know. And there's 263 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 4: some that that maybe used that in a in a 264 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 4: bullying way. And I remember everyone in the building coming 265 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 4: to me and going that James is unbelievable. 266 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: The way he. 267 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 4: Communicates kind of that call it the dark matter, the 268 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 4: things maybe we didn't meet on, but what you're really 269 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 4: looking for to everyone in the building in those let's 270 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 4: call it unscripted moments, uh, you know, non scheduled meeting moments. 271 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 4: And I remember thinking, okay that if you can do that, 272 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 4: if you're just says, that's the that's just how you operate, 273 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 4: That's how you're coded. 274 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: You're you're you. 275 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 4: Got a chance in this business. Because you're in this business, right, 276 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 4: you're always trying to bring people together for a common goal, 277 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 4: whether it's whether it's an offensive defense and special teams, 278 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 4: whether it's the offensive line coach and the let's call 279 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 4: it the guys that are you know, designing the skill 280 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 4: plays right, you gotta you gotta this. The protection has 281 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 4: to be symbiotic with the run game. And so there's 282 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 4: all those easier said than done. 283 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: One of the hardest things you're getting. Hey, you want 284 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: this wide receiver now to block or run a cheese. 285 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 4: Route because he's getting clouded that day and he wants 286 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 4: the ball. How did you how do you help that 287 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 4: receiver go? You know what, you're clouded, bro, We're not 288 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 4: getting the ball. 289 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. 290 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 4: But you're helping this other and that's in every department 291 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 4: of the building. 292 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: Games is really really good in that. And then and 293 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: then I think the. 294 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 4: Neat thing that you could see with James is too 295 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 4: very organized, can communicate. He evolved to kind of organizing 296 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 4: communicating right the department. But the ability to natural ability 297 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 4: to be able to see the game and evaluate and. 298 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: I call it football players. Right. We always say in 299 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: our building, all things considered, not. 300 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 4: Just evaluating let's call it athletic mom dad given traits, 301 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 4: but being able to we'd like to saying it all 302 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 4: things considered, right, does that player's capacity and will equal right, 303 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 4: some version of power, usefulness, skill that's going to help 304 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 4: the team. 305 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: And a lot of times it's it's you can do 306 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: one or the other. 307 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 4: You can really get the intangent, you can really get 308 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 4: the let's call it the potential, but hey, we're beyond potential. 309 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 4: In the NFL, there's not a lot of development period. 310 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 4: It's like it's almost like we're were It's almost always 311 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 4: say we're selecting, we're with this is special Forces, we're 312 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 4: selecting here or not this isn't. Hey, let's hire you 313 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 4: and develop you there's some you could but oh, by 314 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 4: the way they're keeping score, how many people want to 315 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 4: develop someone when they're keeping score like that? Just that 316 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 4: it sounds good in April Living, it's not. 317 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: So. James is really good at that. 318 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 3: And the communication thing is fascinating to me because I've 319 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: been doing this a while and I'm not sure I've 320 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 3: come across the guy who communicates as well. 321 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 4: Even our head coach communicates at an elite level. Sean 322 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 4: will tell you, I'm not sure I want to follow 323 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 4: James after he presents right he is. That's so I 324 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 4: always say it was. It was definitely Sean and him 325 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 4: in our building in terms of if I got up 326 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 4: after James spoke, he would be like, Wow, this guy's 327 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 4: got a d D. 328 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: He's abstract. What is he saying? 329 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 4: Y'all can even see this in this interview, But there 330 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 4: he has that gift to be able to right communicate, connect, 331 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 4: be concise, be clear, uh, be confident, all all the 332 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 4: things I guess he could he could do. 333 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: He could teach communication one on one. 334 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 3: And you mentioned that, But how key is that for 335 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 3: the job that he's about to do that kind of communication. 336 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 4: I think that's a very very important part of it, right, 337 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 4: because you're gonna you're gonna communicate a vision. The other 338 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 4: part of the job, as we know is right, you've 339 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 4: got to be a part of helping engineer design processes 340 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 4: to help everyone execute that vision. 341 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: And this is the NFL. 342 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 4: And then the execution of the vision is how we're 343 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 4: all basically let's call it judge graded, evaluated at the end. 344 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 4: But James will be the two things I think communicate. 345 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 4: The other part is a vision is not just one person. 346 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,479 Speaker 4: So I know this he learned with us. We're very collaborative, 347 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 4: like how to we have to. 348 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: Collaborate in our building right to make this work. 349 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 4: I mean it's easy sometimes with Shaw needs our head 350 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 4: coach offensive coordinator, but there's also a defensive coordinator. 351 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: It's also specialty. There's also athletic performance. 352 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 4: Right, all these things that are going on line, and 353 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 4: when your head coach calls the place too, that takes 354 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 4: that takes another person out of the process and can 355 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,239 Speaker 4: be helpful. But I do think the the let's call 356 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 4: it the skill set to sit down and go. 357 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: Right, how do we really really collaborate for the greater week? 358 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 2: Why was he ready? 359 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 3: Now? 360 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: He said? 361 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 2: He wouldn't have done it if you hadn't told him, Hey, 362 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: it's you. 363 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 4: Just you just you just you get a sense that 364 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 4: I think even though he's young, maybe he even looks 365 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 4: young over the years, it was I always said James 366 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 4: had to be. Now he denies this. I'm like he 367 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 4: was probably that guy that was sixteen that we were 368 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 4: all like, okay, that guy, I mean, how does he 369 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 4: how does he the best receiver on the team and 370 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 4: he's also student government president and also solidatory and you know, 371 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 4: you're kind of rolling your eyes like he was that guy? 372 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 4: Like he Now he denies it and says he wasn't right. 373 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 4: That guy wasn't He could have been. So a point 374 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 4: being is and you could see that even like I said, 375 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 4: when he was the o C at. 376 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: A young age, and it could easily be right. His 377 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: dad's the head coach and he's the offense. 378 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 4: Okay, dad gave but I know the at that point 379 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 4: in time, the insistent superintendent of that school district, the 380 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 4: vision was James Gladstone would take over and be head 381 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 4: coach for Jean and that was their vision. That would 382 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 4: have been his. They really picked at that point and 383 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 4: it was not Oh Dad's. 384 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: Gonna give some the offense coordinator. 385 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 4: It was really, we're gonna have dad for a couple 386 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 4: of years, and then James would probably still be at 387 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 4: Clayton High School if they could have kept him today. 388 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 4: So I think what I'm trying to say is take 389 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 4: the age out of it. 390 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: The His ability to. 391 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 4: Be able to apply probably the experiences in wisdom from 392 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 4: others is definitely unique because I'm probably one that probably 393 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 4: needed to learn it myself, Like I could have read 394 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 4: the book, listen to y'all. For some reason, I was 395 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,479 Speaker 4: too stubborn to apply it, and I needed to do 396 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 4: it my way and fail and then go, okay, they 397 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 4: were right where James is. 398 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: James always had that ability at it. 399 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 4: So you when you so, there's a there's an intuition that, Okay, 400 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 4: we're young, we're thirty four. We look I think I 401 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 4: told Baselli he he always wore his hat backwards and 402 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 4: he had this athletic where and I was. I remember 403 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 4: telling Tony he's gonna go interview. I don't know if 404 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 4: I should tell him to wear that hat backwards. And 405 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 4: because he's just gonna come across as a little more 406 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 4: older something I said, man him without a hat. 407 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: I don't know about that. 408 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: Look, So that what uh? What will you missed most 409 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 2: that had been around you? 410 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:54,479 Speaker 4: We Uh, we chatted every morning first thing. Uh right, 411 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 4: it was almost a staff meeting. And and from that, 412 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 4: because we had grown together. 413 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: We were there was an element of friendship. 414 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 4: So I'll missed I'll miss those moments, Uh, those chats 415 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 4: where we could chat about everything and like I could vent, right, 416 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 4: I could. I could let him know when I was 417 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 4: having a bad day, when I needed to go put 418 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 4: on the costume, and he would know, right, my my vibe, 419 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 4: my real vibe, and then then see, okay, that's not 420 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 4: the vibe I. 421 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: Just chatted with. He had to, he had to get 422 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: in the build. 423 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 4: But I think it's it's those moments where we basically 424 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 4: communicated first thing every morning, whether it was a whether 425 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 4: it was a workday, or whether it was a Saturday 426 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 4: or Sunday, Sunday. 427 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: I mean, he may be at the park with his 428 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: awesome daughter. 429 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 5: Uh. 430 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: When you get to know the family, they're special. 431 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 4: You're just like, Wow, that's his wife's really really his 432 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 4: wife's I don't know if I can say badass on 433 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 4: a what people were doing. 434 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: She's a bad ass. For sure. 435 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 3: Uh final thought I'd be here miss if we didn't 436 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 3: actually have that. Liam Khane, he've been around and he thought, 437 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 3: oh you know what, I know this. 438 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 4: It's very very hard to do offensive football with Sean 439 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 4: McVeigh right, because he he's at a PhD level. Liam 440 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 4: came in our building probably one of his first NFL jobs. 441 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 4: And here's the right, the ability of someone to communicate 442 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,479 Speaker 4: with Sean, maybe even dissent, maybe even add an idea 443 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 4: like you find really quickly, Like. 444 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 5: If you add an idea that's like one O three 445 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 5: level and he's PhD, he's going to let you know 446 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 5: that that's that's one O three and that's how you 447 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 5: you know, that's how you lose. 448 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: In this league. 449 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 4: Where but you could see Liam, I've seen the and 450 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 4: we've had a lot of them come through. Liam hasn't 451 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 4: started the journey yet. Kevin O'Connell, some of those guys, 452 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 4: Zach Taylor, Matt Leford. 453 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: That's been successful. 454 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 4: They've been able to get in a meeting with Sean 455 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 4: and talk communicate football, add ideas right and not and 456 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 4: let's go add quality ideas, not ideas where Sean can 457 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 4: go Well, yeah, we did that four years ago. 458 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: Here's the reason it doesn't work anymore. But wait a minute, 459 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: hadn't thought about that. So the. 460 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 4: Offensive coordinators who've been able to do that with Sean 461 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 4: and our building have gone on to have success, uh 462 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 4: in this league. 463 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 3: So fantastic, Less, I could talk to you all day. 464 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 3: Thank you for doing this at the owners meeting. I 465 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 3: know it's busy. Thank you very much for doing before 466 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,239 Speaker 3: Dan Edwards, let me go. 467 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: Is Dan still there? Right? 468 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: He's he retired what to okay three years ago? 469 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 3: But I had worked for Dan or I'd worked with 470 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 3: Dan with the Times Union and then when I came 471 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 3: back in twenty eleven. 472 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: Uh, he helped come up with the ozone and it's you. 473 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: Know, what's Jacksonville? You Dan? Since no, Alissa Abbott's still there. 474 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: We talked about heck Baselly. 475 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 4: He even told me Todd phil Cox, it seems like 476 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 4: if you started with the Jags and somehow you stayed around, 477 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,479 Speaker 4: it's like you. 478 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: You're still there. It's guys, that's a probably a blessing 479 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: you in the curse. Probably some roses and thorns, but 480 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: that is a pretty neat vibe. It's a good place. 481 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 3: Now we've got to sell you back there you go less, 482 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 3: thank you very much, enjoyed,