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Speaker 1: Governor Burgham, thank you very much for joining us here

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Speaker 1: in our New York studio. It's great to see you.

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Speaker 1: First question, how's your achilles doing well?

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Speaker 2: Fully ruptured, But I'm doing well. It's not slowing us down.

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Speaker 2: We have a phrase in North Dakota when you're injured

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Speaker 2: and you got important work to do, you just cowboy up.

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Speaker 2: And so we didn't miss a beat. Day after the

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Speaker 2: day after the debate, after doing a two hour debate,

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Speaker 2: standing on one leg, off in New Hampshire for three

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Speaker 2: great days up there talking to voters all over the state.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the campaign can't stop, especially when you are now

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Speaker 1: up against a threshold to qualify for the second debate.

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Speaker 1: It's less than a month from now. You hit the

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Speaker 1: donor threshold. Three percent in the polls is what you need.

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Speaker 1: How do you get there? And if you don't, if

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Speaker 1: you can't qualify for the second debate, is it time

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Speaker 1: to consider potentially leaving the race?

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Speaker 2: No, and not time, and we're going to get there.

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Speaker 2: There was a poll that came out the day after

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Speaker 2: the debate that had us at four percent, so we're

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Speaker 2: but it would just fell short. It had seven hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty versus the eight hundred required. That's probably too

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Speaker 2: much process for people. But we're fully confident by the

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Speaker 2: time we get to September that we'll be on the

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Speaker 2: debate stage, and.

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Speaker 1: Of course on the debate stage and elsewhere on the

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Speaker 1: campaign trail. There's been a few specific issues that you

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Speaker 1: have been quite vocal about, one of them being energy policy.

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Speaker 1: If someone offered you the job of Energy secretary, would

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Speaker 1: you take it.

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Speaker 2: No, I've always been the guy that's the CEO or

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Speaker 2: the governor. Those are the two jobs I've basically had

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Speaker 2: my whole life, and I feel and people have said, hey,

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Speaker 2: you'd make a great egg secretary. You know incredible amounts

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Speaker 2: about agg You'd be great for the Department of Interior

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Speaker 2: because everything you know about BLM and bor and tribal

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Speaker 2: lands and so you go down the whole cabinet thing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, those seem like the qualifications for the top

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Speaker 2: job if somebody knows how to pick the people. And

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Speaker 2: every place I've ever built, all the companies i've built,

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Speaker 2: been involved in building multiple billion dollar global companies, one

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Speaker 2: of the keys is attracting talent. So one of the

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Speaker 2: things I absolutely know is under a Burgham administration, when

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Speaker 2: I'm your president, We're going to have an amazing cabinet.

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Speaker 2: We're going to have people that really are committed, passionate

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Speaker 2: care about the American people and leading these agencies. And

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Speaker 2: all these agencies need strong leadership to make sure that

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Speaker 2: we get on the right track on the economy, on energy,

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Speaker 2: and on national security.

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Speaker 1: But leadership of an agency is one thing. Leadership of

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Speaker 1: an entire country is another. When you talk about qualifications

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Speaker 1: for the job, obviously you are governor of North Dakota

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Speaker 1: state that has less than a million people. You talk

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Speaker 1: a lot about small town values. This country is not

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Speaker 1: just made up of small towns. So why should voters

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Speaker 1: feel confident that you are up to governing the entirety

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Speaker 1: of the country, from small towns to big cities.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the things this is the

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Speaker 2: great misperceptions when they keep calling North Dakota a small state.

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Speaker 2: We've got some big states that produce almost no energy.

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Speaker 2: We produce more energy than many of the OPEC nations.

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Speaker 2: We're the same size as all six New England states.

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Speaker 2: So think of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Hode Island, Connecticut.

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Speaker 2: When there's a blizzard, we got to plow the roads

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Speaker 2: for everybody, not just Republicans, independence, Democrats, across the whole state.

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Speaker 2: We've got five tribal nations we share geography with. We've

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Speaker 2: got one hundred and fifty ballistic missiles in our state.

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Speaker 2: We've got air force bases, We're at three hundred and

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Speaker 2: sixty miles of border. Every issue that the president is facing,

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Speaker 2: whether it's because national security means food security means energy security,

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Speaker 2: the job of being the governor of North Dakota completely

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Speaker 2: prepares you for doing that. In the private sector, I

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Speaker 2: had people working for me in one hundred and thirty countries.

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Speaker 2: We had customers all over the world. I don't think

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Speaker 2: there's anybody on the stage that's got the extensive private

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Speaker 2: sector experience and the experience being so successful running a state,

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Speaker 2: in a state that is like one of the states

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Speaker 2: that's feeding and fuelling the whole world. So I think

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Speaker 2: highly qualified for the job. And that's why George Will

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Speaker 2: wrote an article that said, this is the most qualified

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Speaker 2: candidate you've never heard of.

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Speaker 1: The candidate we're talking to, of course, is the governor

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Speaker 1: of North Dakota, Doug Berman burg Gum joining us on

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Speaker 1: both Bloomberg Television and Radio to Zero went on energy

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Speaker 1: policy specifically and what you're doing in North Dakota. You've

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Speaker 1: committed to carbon neutrality by twenty thirty. Part of that

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Speaker 1: effort is carbon sequestration and pipelines that run through the Midwest.

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Speaker 1: As a result, it's been raised as an issue the

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Speaker 1: question of of property rights. As a result, how do

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Speaker 1: you explain to a farmer in Iowa the fact that

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Speaker 1: climate change may need to be put ahead of their

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Speaker 1: own individual property rights? How do you square that circle?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think it has to do anything with

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Speaker 2: trying to square it, because if you don't want it

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Speaker 2: going through your property, if you don't want to take

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Speaker 2: a big check for a pipeline, you know, bringing oil

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Speaker 2: out of North Dakota or taking CO two to North Dakota.

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Speaker 2: If you don't want that, your neighbor probably will. And

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Speaker 2: the opportunities for landowners to participate voluntarily is what we've

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Speaker 2: seen in the past when we build this infrastructure. And

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Speaker 2: of course when I think about opportunities for farmers, we

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Speaker 2: think about sustainable aviation fuel. Everybody, I'm sure Bloombergs run

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Speaker 2: stories about, you know, people getting on planes and saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: this person believes in climate change, but they're flying around

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Speaker 2: in their jet Well, we're not going to have battery

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Speaker 2: operated airplanes flying across specific anytime soon. If you want

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Speaker 2: to have sustainable aviation fuel, it's got to be liquid,

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Speaker 2: and liquid aviation fuel is going to come from the Midwest.

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Speaker 2: That's going to be the epicenter because it's going to

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Speaker 2: be bile fuels and ethanol a decarbonized they're going to

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Speaker 2: drive that. I think it's an opportunity to double the

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Speaker 2: size of the opportunity for agriculture across the Midwest. And

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Speaker 2: I think the markets are going to solve this that

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Speaker 2: they answer to your question. I don't think it's going

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Speaker 2: to be a question of property rates. But I do

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Speaker 2: tell you where there is an issue in our country

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Speaker 2: is when we've got forty one percent of the people

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Speaker 2: in New England they're burning heating oil in their homes,

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Speaker 2: and that heating oil is coming from Russia. Four hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand barrels of oil a day equivalent being offloaded the

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Speaker 2: time putin vaded Ukraine, and you can't get a pipeline

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Speaker 2: to move clean natural gas from Pennsylvania into New England.

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Speaker 2: That's a problem. And if we want national security to

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Speaker 2: include being able to supply all forty eight states with

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Speaker 2: clean US energy versus exporting it to people that do

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Speaker 2: it less cleanly than we do. Then we've got to

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Speaker 2: figure out a way to get pipelines built in this country,

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Speaker 2: including those that help our energy security.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of this comes down to substantive policy questions,

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Speaker 1: and yet so much of this campaign to this point

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Speaker 1: has been dominated instead by the legal trials and tribulations

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Speaker 1: of the current front runner, former President Donald Trump. It

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Speaker 1: is a subject that is unavoidable for Republican candidates. This

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Speaker 1: is someone you are competing against. As we look at

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Speaker 1: a primary season in which we have news today, we

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Speaker 1: could see now three trials that the former president is

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Speaker 1: facing in the middle of primary. It's just a day

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Speaker 1: before Super Tuesday. Is it time for him to consider

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Speaker 1: dropping out of the race. The longer this goes on,

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Speaker 1: does it mean Republicans could fare worse in a general election.

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Speaker 2: Well, certainly, it's up to any candidate to decide whether

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Speaker 2: they want to stay in or stay out of a race.

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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what you know. I know that

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Speaker 2: who was watching that debate last week and who watches

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Speaker 2: our country closely, and that's China. We're in a cold

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Speaker 2: war with China, we're in a proxy war with Russia.

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Speaker 2: And if you've got every divisiveness is a huge it's

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Speaker 2: just a huge business. And you take every cable network

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Speaker 2: going seven by twenty four, you know, talking about indictments,

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Speaker 2: talking about twenty twenty elections, then we're not talking about

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Speaker 2: the things that are we're actually facing as a nation,

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Speaker 2: and we're feel it feels like we're if you got

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Speaker 2: a policy of appeasement in the bidenstration against Iran, RAN's

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Speaker 2: moving towards having nuclear weapons. We've got China's economies falling apart,

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Speaker 2: and we have a dictator whose economy is falling apart,

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Speaker 2: both in a real estate crash and unemployment for young people.

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Speaker 2: What do you do to rally the troops? You know,

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Speaker 2: you invade, You invade somebody else, You start a war.

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Speaker 2: That's what Putin did to hang on his power. Why

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Speaker 2: wouldn't China do the same thing, Particularly when we say

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Speaker 2: to Taiwan, oh, we'll help you with harpoon missiles to

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Speaker 2: sink those Chinese ships, We're not sending them till twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six. Or if they think that someone like myself

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Speaker 2: might be President in twenty twenty five. Let's go in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four and invade Taiwan. So I feel we'll

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Speaker 2: groun the brink of really bad things happening, and we're

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Speaker 2: not talking about any of it.

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Speaker 1: All right, Unfortunately, that's all the time we have to

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Speaker 1: talk about these issues today. But please come back to Bloomberg. Governor,

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Speaker 1: really great to see you here North Dakota Governor's udburgham

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Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Television and Redeo