1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country. Welcome 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: to Inside the Draft. I'm Matt Taylor, and this is 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: our weekly look at the upcoming NFL Draft, which unfolds 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: in late April, and we're gonna gather the thoughts up 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: several insiders around the country between now and then on 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: the draft and the Colts. And joining us today on 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: our first episode is a guy we've had on the 9 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: last couple of years and it's good to have him 10 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: back on the phone line today. Jordan Reed is our 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: guest and now he's an NFL Draft analyst at ESPN. Jordan, 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: thanks for the time today. How are you, sir, I'm 13 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 1: great man. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to be 14 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: back once again, no doubt about it. Again I talk 15 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: to you off the air, but as we sit here 16 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: and talk on the air, if you will, congrats on 17 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: your move to ESPN. Where can people find you and 18 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: your work on the mother ship here? Yeah, so you 19 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: can find my work of course at espn dot com 20 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: slash NFL Draft or there's a tab at the top. 21 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: Click on the NFL tab and just find the draft section. 22 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jordan Underscore read 23 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: that's our eid. Absolutely good stuff. You got to follow them, 24 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: folks if you want to get the skinny on the draft. 25 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 1: That's what we're partly going to do here on our 26 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: first installment of Inside the Draft. So before we get 27 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: into heavy draft stuff, let's talk about the combine that's 28 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: next week. And the combine, Jordan lifted the idea of 29 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: a bubble for the prospects on site. What was the 30 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 1: biggest reason the players and the agents did not want 31 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: the bubble? They did not want to be restricted. What 32 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: was the big hiccup and why do they push so 33 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: hard to get rid of that? Well, the bigger reason 34 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: is just access, just because at the combine, everybody has 35 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: their own personal trainers, people that they've been working with, 36 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: whether it's physical therapy type of people or you know, 37 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: people that they have been working on or with during 38 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: their lead up to the draft. So they want to 39 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: make sure they feel as comfortable as possible, just because 40 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: this is the biggest interview of their lives and they 41 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: want to make sure that they have everybody in the 42 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: corner that they have been working with over the past 43 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: few months. Ever since the season ended. Everybody has the 44 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: personal trainers. For example, with quarterbacks, they have people that 45 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: they have been throwing with, and with the bubble, those 46 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,639 Speaker 1: type of people wouldn't have being accessible to the bubble, 47 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: So little things like they wouldn't have anywhere to warm up. 48 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: Most of those guys use the lobby or the hotel 49 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: area with their trainers to have a dynamic warm up 50 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: or some type of warm up that they have been 51 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: doing over these past two or three months. So little 52 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: things like that is why these players weren't in favor 53 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: and also specifically the agents just because of the access 54 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: that some of these people that they have had over 55 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: the past few months, none of those people would have 56 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: been able or been accessible to those prospects. You know. 57 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: I think that's something that most people don't realize, that 58 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: mental image of players warming up up and down hotel 59 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: hallways or in hotel lobbies. I mean, that's something that 60 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: we wouldn't think, you know, as it relates to the NFL. 61 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: It's this billion dollar industry. There's got to be somewhere 62 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: else for these guys to go. But you're exactly right, 63 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: they don't. They have to make use of all of 64 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: the resources available to them outside of Lucas Oil Stadium 65 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: during the combine. Yeah, and that was one of the 66 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: biggest reasons why the agents are so adamant about getting 67 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: the bubble removed, just because, of course they're going to 68 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: go to bat for their clients, just because that's who 69 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: they're working for, but also they want to make sure 70 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: that they can perform and have the most resources as possible. 71 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: All right, Jordan, outside of the medicals, because we all 72 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: know how important that is, Does the combine outside of 73 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: that still hold as much weight as maybe it used to, 74 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: has its importance way to where it's now just part 75 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: of the puzzle instead of it being a major piece 76 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: of the puzzle, if you will. Leading into the draft, No, 77 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: I think outside of All Star Games, I think this 78 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: is the most important piece of the puzzle, just because 79 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: for some scouts, gems and personnel or evaluators, this is 80 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: their first time actually meeting some of these guys. Just 81 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: because of the area scouts, regional scouts, those are the 82 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: people that are on the road. They're hitting hundreds of 83 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: schools throughout the year. But these gems they're not doing 84 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: that just because they have obligations during the season. Of course, 85 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: they have to worry about the current roster and everything 86 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: that's going on with that. So I like to compare 87 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: to speed dating. When they're meeting with these teams, it's 88 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: no more than fifteen meetings excuse me, fifteen minutes, and 89 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: they have sixty meetings, I believe it to steal with. 90 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: That's a lot of number of prospects that they can 91 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: meet with. So you have to figure out as much 92 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: information in those fifteen minutes as possible, whether if it's 93 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: a prospect to have some red flags or if they 94 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: have some injuries. You get intel about that, you have 95 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: some film clips that you want to go through, whether 96 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: it's positive or negative, just because you can get a 97 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: feel for the player. Just so little things like that 98 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: is why I like to call a speed dating. And 99 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: you're trying to learn these players as quickly as possible, 100 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: so you want to make a good impression and from 101 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: a prospects standpoint, on these evaluators and on the flip 102 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: side of that, these evaluators get a feel for the 103 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: personality of these players on and off of the field. Indeed, 104 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: Jordan Reid, our guest ESPN NFL Draft analyst, all right, 105 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: going into the combine Jordan, What do we need to 106 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: know about this draft? This is our again, our first 107 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: time to really kind of go draft centric. What are 108 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: the biggest things we should know about this upcoming draft 109 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: if we didn't know anything about it going into it. 110 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: It's very defensive heavy. I would say that edge rusher 111 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: I think is by far the most deepest position as 112 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: far as from top to autom Day one through Day three, 113 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: we hear the names Aidan Hudginson and Cavan Tibodeau at 114 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: the top, but there's plenty of other players that surround 115 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: the depth in this class. So edge rusher I think 116 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: is very deep. Cornerback is another position that I think 117 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: is very deep too, and then there's plenty of others. 118 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: I think linebacker is very DP two. So this isn't 119 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: drift like years pass where we have a quarterback at 120 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: the top like we've seen the past three years with 121 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray in twenty nineteen, Joe Burrow two years ago, 122 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: and of course Trevor Launce last year. And I think 123 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: that's what makes this drive so fascinating, just because we've 124 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: kind of gotten used to having that guy or that 125 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: quarterback one at the top. So now it's a little 126 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: bit in flux. Not having that guy at the top, 127 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: it makes this group really interesting. Absolutely, So why are 128 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks not up the snuff comparatively speaking two years pass? 129 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: Why is this crop of quarterbacks not on par with 130 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: what we saw last year and the year before. Well, 131 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 1: we just didn't have that guy that jumped out to 132 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: ask QB one And I know Kenny pig Gett added 133 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: big jump this year, but he didn't have a Joe 134 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: Burrow like ascension. He wasn't tied as being a hot 135 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,239 Speaker 1: type of player like a Trevor Lawrence or a Kyler 136 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: Murray who had that big one year two at Oklahoma. 137 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: We just didn't have that guy this year that really 138 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: separated himself, and it didn't happen at the Senior Bowl. 139 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: A lot of people were thinking, with five of the 140 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: top these guys participating in it, that we were going 141 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: to have that one guy that just grabbed everybody's attention. 142 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: And Malik Willis had one day of where he did that. 143 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: It was the Wednesday practice where it was pretty rainy. 144 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: Outside of that, nobody really separated themselves. So I think 145 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: not having a quarterback at the top it really makes 146 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: the draft fun for me. I would say that because 147 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: it's going to be so unpredictable, but for the common fan, 148 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: it is a little bit different. Yeah, I gotta do 149 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: your homework. I think we all are in that boat 150 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: heading into this draft class. All right, The Colts have 151 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: a lot of question marks at premium positions, Jordan, as 152 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: you know, they don't have that first round pick. They 153 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: might be looking for a quarterback who knows there they 154 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: need long term answers at left tackle, they could use 155 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: more pass rush help, and they could also use more 156 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: firepower at wide receiver. But let's talk about left tackle 157 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: first and the depth there. Are there any tass worthy 158 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: of a second round grade in this draft, again with 159 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: the Colts not having that first round pick as of now. Yeah, 160 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: and that's another position I think on offense outside of 161 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: wide receiver, I think it's the deepest of this year's position. 162 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: And I really like this offensive line class. Now, it's 163 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: not as top heavy as we've seen in years past, 164 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago where it was just in 165 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: words and mc bec and Andrew Thomas of all those guys. 166 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: It's not that class. But there is some really good 167 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: guys at the top. But just talking about some second 168 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: round players that I think could go or are worthy 169 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: of that second round pick. You're talking about people like 170 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: Bernard Raymond from Central Michigan. He's a name who could 171 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: hear a lot. Daniel five Lelate from Minnesota is another, 172 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: and then even Max Mitchell from Louisiana Lafayette is another 173 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: name that could throw himself in the mix of being 174 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: in that second round type of equation. So it is 175 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: a deep class throughout all three days in my opinion. 176 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: So the coachs at forty seven, I believe it is 177 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: with that second round pick, they're gonna have their pick 178 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 1: of the letter. As far as who they want starting 179 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: off or in the middle of Day two. Are those 180 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: guys that you just mentioned, are they projects at all? 181 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: Are they plug in play? They are sure fire left tackles, 182 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: because that's what the Colts want if they're gonna use 183 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 1: that much draft capital, if you will, picking a tackle 184 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: that high in the draft in the second round. Yeah, 185 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: whenever you're talking about the second round, it is kind 186 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: of hard to find those guys. As far as plug 187 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: and player. You're always going to add the project type 188 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: of players that maybe need to add a little bit 189 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: of weight or they need to polish up their technique 190 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: a little bit more, and we've seen guys like that 191 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: be huge, you know, be huge positives in the years past, 192 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: whether it was Samuel Cozmi last year out of Texas 193 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: who the Washington Commanders took in the second round, Brian 194 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: O'Neill a couple of years ago with the Vikings. We 195 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 1: just saw him signing the Lucas and extension. So you're 196 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: talking about those players that need a little bit more polish, 197 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of upside. So I think some 198 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: of those players, as I just mentioned, I think they're 199 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: along ago similar lines and the Colts could hope to 200 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: get something out of them. Jordan Reed is our guest 201 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: ESPN NFL Draft analysts. All Right, what about tight ends 202 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: because the Colts could be losing Jack Doyle at the 203 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 1: end of the season. He kind of flirted with retirement. 204 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: No news as far as that goes just yet. Mo 205 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: aalle Cox is a free agent. Jordan, what does this 206 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: year's crop of tight ends looked like in the draft? Now? 207 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: Light quarterback, there isn't that one guy at the top 208 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: like we've seen in years pass, whether it was a 209 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: j Hopkinson or even last year with Kyle Fitch. There 210 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: isn't that type of guy in this draft, but I 211 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: think the meat and potatoes of this class is probably 212 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: second and third round, even fourth round, I think is 213 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: where we're going to see a lot of those guys go, 214 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: whether it's a Trey McBride from Colorado State for Jalen 215 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: Widermeyer from Texas A and m But one name I 216 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: du want to mention that I actually wrote down as 217 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: my pro comparison to mo Ali Cox, and I saw 218 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: him play at the East West Shrine Game out in 219 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: Las Vegas, and his name is Jelanni Woods from Virginia. 220 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: He's every bit of six foot seven, about two hundred 221 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: and sixty pounds, has a basketball background like Moli Cox did, 222 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: and he played one year after Virginia and he came 223 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: second in every single tight end record behind His name 224 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: is slipping my mind, but with Jilanni Woods, he reminds 225 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: me a lot of mo Ali Cox. And then he 226 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: actually spent his first three years of his career at 227 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: Oklahoma State where he primarily was a for the most part. 228 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: But Gilannie Woods from Virginia keep an eye on him. 229 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:05,599 Speaker 1: Heath Miller was the name that I was thinking of. 230 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: There that was sleeping in my mind, there was Virginia. 231 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: So he came second in every single category, whether it 232 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: was receiving testdowns, catches, all of those categories. He's been 233 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: a second at Virginia, so Gilannie Woods keep an eye 234 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: on him. Is the blocking tight end coming out of college? 235 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: Is that becoming more and more of a lost art 236 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: form when you when you talk about tight ends and 237 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: skill set, there's a lot of athletic as you just 238 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: talked about, you know, former basketball players as pass catching 239 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: tight ends. But the Colts with Jack Doyle, Moalley Cox, 240 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: they are you know, extensions of the run game or 241 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: extensions of the offensive line. Is that a lost art 242 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: form for tight ends coming out of college in the draft? Yeah, 243 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: it is, Matt, just because I think with how high 244 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: octane offenses are going now and then you're starting to 245 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: see the hybrid tight ends become so popular, whether it's 246 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: at George Kittle or some of these other Travis Kelsey, 247 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: some of these big time tight ends that we're seeing 248 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: have such a positive impact in the passing game. Everybody 249 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: wants to be pass catchers now. It's really hard to 250 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: find those versatile type players just because there's not a 251 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 1: huge emphasis on blocking anymore, just because guys are getting 252 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: paid to catch the football. So I think I think 253 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: you're exactly right as it being of somewhat of a 254 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: lost art as far as blocking all right. After the 255 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl a couple of weeks ago, Jordan, who are 256 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: some guys that really helped themselves after that game heading 257 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 1: into Combine that you want to see more. You want 258 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: to see them back it up in the drills on 259 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: the field after what they turned in. You know that 260 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: in that apples to apples comparison during the Senior Bowl. Yeah, 261 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: So I'll just stick to some players as far as 262 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: where the Coats have needs. One player that I really 263 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: want to see more of, as I mentioned, is Max 264 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: Mitchell from Louisiana Lafayette. I think he's one player that 265 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: probably could go in that third round range. I think 266 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: that's probably the sweet spot for him right now as 267 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: far as where he could go. But if you're looking 268 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: for a later on down the line, a type of 269 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: option at the position, keep an eye on Matt will 270 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: Let's go, Who's a small school offensive tackle from North Dakota. 271 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: There's a lot of buzz about him as far as 272 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: being a developmental project. Maybe in like that fourth or 273 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: fifth round range that a lot of people are really 274 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: inched it in. But tight ends wise, Isaiah Likely from 275 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: Coastal Carolina is one name that I do like a 276 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: lot if you're looking for more of your receiving type 277 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: of tight end. He said, a bunch of records down 278 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: there remind you a lot of Gerald Everett when he 279 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: was coming out of South Alabama if you're looking for 280 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: a player comparison for him, So more of a later 281 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: on down the line tight end name that I think 282 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: the Coats could have interested in is Charlie Cole Laer 283 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: from Iowa State, who kind of reminds me a little 284 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: bit of Power Rudolph when he was coming out of 285 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Kind of that long levered, receiving tight tight 286 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: end that can bring some added dimensions in the run 287 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: blocking game as well. Jordan Reed, ESPN NFL Draft Analysts 288 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: Final couple of things, Jordan, any under the radar position 289 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: groups that's full of talent in this draft class that 290 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: we didn't talk about, or that you think might be 291 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: pushed up the board when it's all said and done 292 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: in late April. Well, I wouldn't say underrated, but I 293 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: think the Coats could use another cornerback. I think that's 294 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: another position that they could look to address later on 295 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: down the line. So one name I do want to 296 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: mention that I think they could have interested in, and 297 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: his name is Joshua Williams from Fairville State, who's a 298 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: small school player that I think could go maybe in 299 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: the fourth or fifth round. I think that's probably the 300 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: area that he could end up going. And he played 301 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: really well down at the Senior Bowl, was one of 302 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: only two Division two players actually playing in the event 303 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: down there. So Joshua Williams from Fairville State and the 304 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,599 Speaker 1: Coats of also showed that they have no hesitancy with 305 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: taking small school players. We saw what has made what 306 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: they have made of Darius Leonard Howe. That's turned off 307 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: for them. So keeping on Joshua Williams from Fairville State, 308 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: who was a cornerback. Hey, Jordan, I'm want to go 309 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: back a little bit. And I realized I'm probably putting 310 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: you on the spot with this question, but can you 311 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: go back and look at the Colts draft class from 312 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: last season twenty twenty one? Quitty paying round one, dio 313 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: adegbo in round two, kyl and Granson on Day three. 314 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: What did you make of the production the Colts got 315 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: from their rookie class last season. Yeah, I was a 316 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: fan of a lot of the picks that they made. 317 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: Mayo I liked him a lot coming out. Was unfortunate 318 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 1: that he had to Achillastre. I really liked Quitti pay 319 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: coming out too. It was just a matter of even 320 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: though his sack numbers and the sack totals were low, 321 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: I always knew he was going to be able to 322 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: generate consistent pressure, and we saw the flashes of what 323 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: he was able to do during his rookie season. I 324 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: think they're going to be able to get some really 325 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: good things out of him in the future too. So 326 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: those two I think are really going to be staples 327 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: of that defensive line of front in the future. Sis 328 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: a matter of day or now, just getting healthy for 329 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: the consistent long run. And with him, you really have 330 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: to pause the screen. I know it's take at Vanderbilt. 331 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: You really had to pause the screen to find out 332 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: where he was going to be up and down the 333 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. But one underrated player, and I'm not 334 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: sure exactly the production that they got out of him, 335 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: But I liked when they made the pick was Michael Striking. 336 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: I really liked him a lotty. I thought he was 337 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: a really good small school player coming out. And Kylin 338 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: Granton is another player that I really liked the selection 339 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: of him coming out too. I think they're going to 340 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: be able to get some good production out of him 341 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: in later years too. Do you think from what we 342 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: saw in the playoffs, I mean, you had Jamar Chase, 343 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: I mean you had so many great wide receiver production games, 344 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: and obviously the quarterbacks feasted because of those guys, those 345 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: playmakers they had on those offenses. Me you're talking about 346 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: Burro and Alan Stafford. Do you think because of that, 347 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: will continue to see the trend of wide receivers going 348 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: fast and furious those couple of first rounds like we've 349 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: seen in the past. Yeah, I think so. I think 350 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: wide receiver is one position that's constantly going to be 351 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: a strength of every draft class moving forward, just because 352 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: we're in the era now. And I was actually talking 353 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: about this with some of my friends, my scouting buddies 354 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, and that the seven on 355 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: seven era of high school and in college football is 356 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: that everybody wants to play wide receiver. Everybody wants to 357 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: catch or touch the football in some form, So I 358 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: think that's why these wide receiver classes are being generated 359 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: and grit pumped out so greatly over the past few years, 360 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: just because of the seven or seven era. Everybody's gonna 361 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: want to catch and touch the football. So I think, 362 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: like what we've seen over the past two or three 363 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: draft classes with these wide receivers being a plus, I 364 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: think that's going to continue over the next decade or so. 365 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: All Right, it's Jordan Reed, ESPN NFL Draft Analysts with us. 366 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: Are you writing about on ESPN dot com and where 367 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: can we see you on our TV screens? Coming up 368 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: here in the near future. A bunch of combine stuff 369 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: coming out. Have positional previews that are coming out, some 370 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: players that I'm going to be keeping the eye on personally, 371 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: and then who can improve their stocking the most from 372 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: the combine too, So keep an eye out for that 373 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: on ESPN dot com. Remember to click on the NFL tab. 374 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: That should be a tab that says NFL Draft underneath it. 375 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: That's where you can find my colleagues, Todd mcshade, Milcocker 376 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: Junior and then also Matt Millerito. Absolutely, all right, make 377 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: sure you say the right things here. Jordan, again, I'm 378 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: gonna put you on the spot. The fact that the 379 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: Combine might be leaving Indianapolis next season. What are your 380 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: feelings on that? How much affinity do you have for 381 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: the event and the fact that it's in Indianapolis, a 382 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: place that you're obviously pretty familiar with. So I've only 383 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: been to one my career, believe it or not, I 384 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: can so yeah, I have my FoST experience with Saint 385 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: Elmo's two years ago. Okay, well, at least you've been 386 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: there once and you've you've seen it and you've done 387 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: it right. Yeah, absolutely, But I just love how tighten 388 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: it Indianapolis is. Everything is right there, where it's accessible. 389 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: Dantagn's right there at the stadiums, right in the middle 390 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: of Dantown. Everything's so accessible right there, and wherever you 391 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: need to go, you don't need to go far in Indie. 392 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: So I think that's one of the biggest positives of 393 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: keeping it in Indianapolis. And it's historic, you know, Indianapolis 394 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: has had the Combine for forever, So I'm really hoping 395 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: that it does stay there just because of how tight 396 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: knit it is. It seems like it's great for the 397 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: city too, so I'm really hoping that it stays there. 398 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: Well we'll see, I mean there's money to be made, 399 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: as you know every year since nineteen eighty seven. Well, 400 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: we'll see how it all plays out. But appreciate you 401 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: saying that, and appreciate your time and your information on 402 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: the draft. Man. This is awesome having you again. Congratulations 403 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: on all your success, love your work, Have a great 404 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: rest of this week, and we'll see you next week 405 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: at the Combine. We'll catch up then, Jordan, thanks as 406 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: always for the time. Absolutely thanks as always, Matt. Looking 407 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: forward to it.