1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Give it a chance, Give it a chance, Give it 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: a chance. Come morning, give it a chance. 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 2: Give it a chance, Give it a chance, Give it 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 2: a chance. 5 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: Gome morning, give it a you want to give it 6 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: a chance, Give it a chance, Give it a chance. 7 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: Just Casey's wearing? Should I tell them you? No, don't, 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: Please don't tell them. I don't, won't tell them, tell them, yo, 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: I'll tell them the one thing I really want them 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: to know. Yeah, Casey, Because honestly, it's important. This is 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: a very special episode. Before we even start, we definitely 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: advocate for sick. I don't know where this is going. 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: All safe practices sexually, and I just want to let 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: you know that Casey is definitely wearing a condom right now. 15 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, of all times, at all times for safety. 16 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: Why would I not? Just in Casey, but I am 17 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: watching the screen and if you cannot see, my man, 18 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: case is wearing what is known in the biz as 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: a Santa hat. Actually it's like a cool kind of 20 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: like duck hunter Santa hat thing too, yeah, or like 21 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: what are those like Russian hats? You know? Yeahs flaps? 22 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah it do you know that kind? You know that kind? 23 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: And you have any reason why because we're gonna do 24 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: a Hanaga song. 25 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 2: That's right, that would never be on it. I don't 26 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: think that could. 27 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: Ever be on it. No, you can't. You got that. 28 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: That's the chances is evident and personified therein can't. You 29 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: don't have to give it a chance. Imagine. The song 30 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: I did this week was like christ has christ Is 31 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: It's more of an Easter song. I think we're doing it. 32 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: We're doing a we're doing a Christmas song? Are we 33 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: doing new Kids Got run over by a reindeer? 34 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: No, but there's a lot of Christmas songs that I 35 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: think could be on this. 36 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I had no idea chance, 37 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: there's no idea. I never know. I never know. 38 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, because we're recording this mid November. But like, but 39 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: with the episodes we have planned ahead, this will be 40 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 2: early decemb So. 41 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: Oh is it or Chatta by Vampire Weekend that's Christmas 42 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: song and December jinking that one, Yeah, that wouldn't be 43 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: on here. 44 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: No, the song I picked is is there's a there 45 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: there are a lot that are sort of like hanceled 46 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 2: of Christmas songs. 47 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: There's things like get canceled. 48 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are Christmas songs like is a Baby It's 49 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: Cold Outside. It's like sort of one that's like. 50 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've we've we've reassessed that song. Yeah, I get it. 51 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: People feel like it's a little lucky. 52 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: But this one's different, a different sort of like I 53 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: think people like this song. There's elements of it that 54 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: are probably good, but a lot of in doing my research, 55 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: which I do, now I. 56 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: Know this is great. This is a new ring. Not 57 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: that you were. I mean, look, in a certain sense, 58 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: first of all, you're my son, say and in a 59 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: certain sense you always I mean, look, this whole project 60 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: exists sort of as the result of you doing the research. 61 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: You did the research. You said, let's do a pod. 62 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: You did the research, you said, maybe the pot will 63 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: be give it a chance. You did the research. You said, 64 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: I want to I know who I want to partner 65 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: with you. 66 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: Yes, he was busy, he was unavailable. James Blunt was unavailable. 67 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: And in my dream Blunt rotation, no doubt it's James Blunt, 68 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: Emily Blunt in rotation and Gwen Deevere Blunt, who is 69 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: my landlord's niece. Awesome lady, shout out out, sorry. 70 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: Please, Actually all those people could be in this song. 71 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: That wasn't Michael Barbaro give you a little any daily listeners, 72 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: all right? Any of the wait is it a weed? 73 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: Is like an Afro man weed Christmas song? Oh? I 74 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: wish it? 75 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: It's big? This is massive. It's a massive song. So 76 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: here's the other thing, is like, I've heard this song 77 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: a lot and massive. I've heard this song a lot, 78 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: but I haven't like sat and listened to it in 79 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: a really long time. In terms of like focusing on 80 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: it. It sometimes in the background of. 81 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: You know, all right, so it's huge, but you haven't 82 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: locked into it for a while. It could include either 83 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: James or Emily Blunt. It's not imagine when all the 84 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: celebrities sang that. 85 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,239 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, but you're on the right path really yeah? 86 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: Oh oh? Is it simply having a wonderful Christmas time? 87 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: That's Paul McCartney and no, I love that song. 88 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay is it? People do dislike that song. 89 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 2: I will say there's a lot of people who don't 90 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: like it, but I like the textures of it. 91 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: I think it's a weird. It's also what are we 92 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: giving Paul a hard time about about a Christmas song? 93 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: I love that Paul's Christmas song and John's Christmas songs 94 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: are what they are because it's like the perfect I 95 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: mean and yang are we doing Happy Christmas? War is 96 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: Over by John and Yoko? 97 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: Great one, but no, that's are we doing that? You 98 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: know there is a version of that by Maroon five 99 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: that I did. 100 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: There's no, there's not. Yeah, that might have to come 101 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: back next Christmas season, or maybe we'll do a whole 102 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: month of christ I think. 103 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 2: We only had two episodes in a month. But yeah, 104 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 2: let's do it. 105 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: We could do it in February, Christmas in July, we 106 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: could do that one in July. Well, we'll get back 107 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: to it, all right. So it's huge. It's not the Beatles, 108 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: it's not Maroon five, it's not Afroman. It's not it's 109 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: not it's not Emily Blunet's not from the Choi place 110 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: like a silent Christmas song? Is it Silent Night? No? 111 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: I wish it was. 112 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: I wish it was like a really simple, like you know, 113 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: German theme or something. 114 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: You know, I realized I should probably I want to 115 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: get three more. Did you hurt yourself? Did you get 116 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: a booboo? You have a cover? Yeah? Do what do 117 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: you need for that to cover it. Bandage A band aid? Wait? 118 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: Am I getting closer? Yeah? You said it? A bandage? 119 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: A band band aid? Oh? Is it? Do they know 120 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: it's Christmas time at all? Is that? Dude? I haven't 121 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: locked in on this song ever. I don't think. 122 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking band aid? Do they know it's Christmas? 123 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty four? You had people from Genesis, people from 124 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 2: U Two, people. 125 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: From Sega, people from Nintendee. 126 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: PlayStation, you got Wham people, you got Duran, Durance, you 127 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: got Cool in the Gang, you. 128 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: Got got Dylan. Do we got Dylan? Or is that's 129 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: that's I don't think Dylan's Hello? Yeah? People die this, 130 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: Even poor Bob, he was so lost. We could talk 131 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: about that another time. But he's asking Stevie, wonder could 132 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: you play it again? What do I do? Quincy Jones 133 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: has to tell him to face the microphone. He's singing 134 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: back to the microphone, all right, sorry, sorry, and anyway, 135 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: have you also. 136 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: Seen the thing about Huey Lewis, where like he just 137 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: couldn't hit the note and like all the people around 138 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 2: him are just rolling their eyes. 139 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: It's like Michael Jackson, It's. 140 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: Always like yeah, it's all these people who like could 141 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: hit a note with their ears closed, no problem. 142 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, and this is. 143 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: That's a good moment anyway, this is this is like 144 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: I think, I think this obviously came after that in the. 145 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: Things around the same time. Actually we should find that, 146 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: you know, I'm a little surprised. I didn't do my research. 147 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: The research monster didn't find that part out. But research monster, 148 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: you want to step into my world? That might be 149 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: what we do sometimes. The last song on User illusion 150 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: to by Guns N' Roses. But that's for another another day, 151 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: another Christmas. So let's play this song. 152 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: Let's listen to it, and then let's so fuck ready. 153 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: Yep, Merry Christmas. There's so much gold in the credits. 154 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: I can't wait. There's no we don't have to start there. 155 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: But I just some of these names. The songwriter's name, 156 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: mid Ury, Little Urine. Can't handle that. I got no 157 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: capacity to handle that. You shouldn't have to. You shouldn't 158 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: have to. You've earned it, you've earned it. Why would 159 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: you put Midjury in front of me? I can't. I'm 160 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: out of grown up. I can't deal with Midjury. It's 161 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: little Urine. We're in fun of people's names. I'm still 162 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: making fun of people's names dogs, Urine, Bob, Geldolf, Are 163 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: you a wizard dog? Come on? Sorry? Now he did 164 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: a lot, so did Midge probably did a lot. 165 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: I can't believe how many hooks there are in this song, 166 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: and only like two of them are memorable, like the whole, 167 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: the whole, Like the verse keeps changing. The second verse 168 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: doesn't seem like there's anything that's brought back from the 169 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: first verse. And then the chorus is obviously that's memorable. 170 00:08:59,360 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: And then the. 171 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: Dude eating yeah, like that little rip. 172 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: Which is kind of an extension of the chorus. It's 173 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: also funny because the chorus also happens what seems like 174 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: arbitrarily kind of happens once and then we go back 175 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: and the chorus actually becomes an extended like chorl like 176 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: a bridge outro, almost like a Christmas Carol kind of thing, 177 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: which is, maybe I'm purpy. 178 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 2: And feed the world let them know it's Christmas time again? 179 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: Is cool? Yeah, it is. 180 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: It does seem so strange for the idea that these 181 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: people don't know it's Christmas, Like they don't it's like. 182 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: They don't even have a calendar. I mean, I mean look, 183 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: if we were going to it depends how you want 184 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: to skin this particular cat. I know the anti chancy 185 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: is actually for me, it's becoming something of a theme 186 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: in some of the songs we've ended up discussing. I 187 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: don't know, the last little segment of songs here, a 188 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: group of songs here. It's actually like that obliviousness that 189 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: exists at the core of this entire conceit. Now, granted 190 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: it was forty years ago. Things move around, but I 191 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: even think at the time there would have been people 192 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: who would have heard this and been like, like, I 193 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: don't just mean people in the places being discussed. I mean, 194 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure there were people. There were probably people in 195 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: the room who were like, hey, you know, this is 196 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: a little like white Saviory some of this stuff, like 197 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: maybe you know, I'm pretty sure like there are actually 198 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: rivers in Africa. You know, it's pretty well documented. I'm 199 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: no cartographer. 200 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 2: If there's no river, there's no Christmas. 201 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: I think there's no snow. Now, who is this tokic? 202 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 2: That's okay, and that's British Bono. That's British. 203 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: British Bono is a lot to think about. What is 204 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: Bono's real name, Paul Hewitt or something like that, right, 205 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: it is. I think it might be Midge Urine. 206 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: Maybe that that's actually that's his pen. 207 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: Name, his numb to plume. Yeah, I'm a multiculturalist, so 208 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: I said that was amazing. 209 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is fun I will say that. I do 210 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 2: get wrapped up and seeing all these like young rock stars. 211 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: Totally play together. 212 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 2: It is funny that they I hate to say it, 213 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 2: but they all I kind of think they all look 214 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 2: the same. They all have the same haircut and like 215 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: messiness and like shirts. 216 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: Totally. It's pretty wild. It's also funny because, well, this 217 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: is maybe a little all over the place, but it's 218 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: funny because there are people who like someone like Sting. Right, 219 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: Stings listed as background vocals and gang vocals. Right, I'm 220 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: sure if Sting wanted to sing the whole first verse 221 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: at this time in music pop music history, he could 222 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: have walked in and had any party wanted. Maybe Sting 223 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: was one of the people in the room who was like, 224 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm here. I think I'm just gonna do 225 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: the gang vocals in the background, And you know what, Bono, 226 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: you're an earnest sort. We'll let you have all of 227 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: verse two. 228 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: It's interesting though, because Sting did bring in a lot 229 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: of influence from African music, like Yes Later records and stuff. 230 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: So I don't know, maybe he I don't know. That 231 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: could go either way though, That could go either way. 232 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: It could be also, you know, I'm seeing here John 233 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: Keeble Gang vocals, Johnny Fingers Gang vocals, of course, Jonathan 234 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: Aubrey Moss, a lot of John's. Marilyn just one name, 235 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: and they blame it on Marilyn and the heroin, you know, 236 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: and I got Marilyn's. 237 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 2: You know, your brother is probably thinking, oh, he saw 238 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: the name Marilyn, He's gonna do. 239 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: Dan Devine is definitely gonna call you out on that. 240 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: My brother, noted basketball journalist and internet celebrity really. 241 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 2: Yeah and most famous for being a listener of this podcast. 242 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: Famous yeah, first and for most he after the episode, 243 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: which one was it recently where it was about oh, nowadays, 244 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: you said I forget in one of the episodes, and 245 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: my brother was like, I hate that. I know your 246 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: brain so well that the second CASEY said nowadays, I 247 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: said out loud, he's gonna do forgot about dre and 248 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: then I immediately on the podcast, so sad, but yeah, yeah, 249 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: they've got there's a lot going on, So maybe he 250 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: just wanted to be in the in the mix with 251 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: Marilyn Martin Kemp Martin ware. 252 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: What's your chance on that? What's your chancy on this? 253 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: Uh? It's actually well constructed song. I really like the arrangement. 254 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: I like the I do think I like the commitment 255 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: in the performances and as a song. I actually think 256 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: it's a better song than We Are the World, for instance, 257 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: Like I think interesting. I think it's like a more 258 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: I like that. I like it's thrust and tempo. I 259 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: like those that kind of like the galloping synth thing 260 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: that's happening. There's an excellent I do think it's cool 261 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: that Phil Collins is drumming. I do too. 262 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 2: I think that's fun. That's and the drums are good. 263 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: He's an excellent drummer, and he's also a really cool 264 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: to the song drummer, which I'm a huge fan of. 265 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: There's a turnaround Phil he does on the one at 266 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: the top of one of the chorus loops, which is 267 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: not expected. It's not how that would usually go, and 268 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: it does this cool inversion that I was like, I 269 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: actually set out loud nowadays. No, I actually set out loud. 270 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: That's a cool drum pill, you know what I mean, 271 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: Like there's so the and I mean I don't think 272 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: it's like I actually don't think melodically, energetically, structurally, it's 273 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: an uncool It's not like this song. If this was 274 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: like a normal quote unquote song and not a Christmas 275 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: charity all star song, Like if you just heard a 276 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: band play this song, I'd be like, that's pretty cool. 277 00:14:50,360 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: That's an all right song at Christmas time line, and 278 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: we vanish shit. 279 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: I guess I wish though, that the lyrics were just 280 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: about Christmas and not about the dude and then and 281 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: then like they could write a whole thing, Like the 282 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: reason why we all came together to make this fun 283 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: Christmas song is because this is happening and we should 284 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: discuss it. And we're raising money, you know, for this 285 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: cause to call themselves band. 286 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: Aid Yo, dude, no, no, no, I want to be 287 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: crystal clear, we fully agree. What I'm talking about is 288 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: like music arrangement, performance production. This song's cratering black hole 289 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: disqualifier is what they're singing about. And how especially in 290 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: the verses the first two verses there's like it's almost 291 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: like they overshoot the goal and they turn it into 292 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: like there's like a shaming thing happen. That's also sort 293 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: of like turning life in these places into like some 294 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: kind of horror film, like if we There was one 295 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: thought I had was like I wanted to go through 296 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: the lyrics and just discuss the places where it was 297 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: like yay, I don't know if we have to go 298 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: line for line. 299 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, there were some big lines like what's 300 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: the one that's really that's really like shamey for the 301 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: listener that makes like you know, like it's like it's 302 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 2: while you're having fun outside your window. 303 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, while you're it's hard. First of all, I want 304 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: to say I got thrown off the scent almost immediately 305 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: when they say, no one has ever said this. No one, 306 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: no one Christmas or any other time, has ever said this. 307 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: There's no need to be afraid. At Christmas time, we 308 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: let in light and banish shade. It's over. It's overwritten. 309 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: It's over. When he says banish shade, no one ever 310 00:16:58,400 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: said that. No one's ever said that. 311 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: It's like, let's really, let's really relate to our listener. 312 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: It's like it's like Lord of the Rings, that's what 313 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: we let enlighten banish shade. 314 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and that's Gandalf Geldoff's status. 315 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 2: Right, that's Ganandorf from Zeldador from Zelda. 316 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: And look when Ganandorf from Zelda continues to unfurl his 317 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: whiz it then says, but say a prayer, a prayer 318 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: for the other ones. 319 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: I know you're being tongue in cheek, but it feels 320 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 2: also dismissive, like I think. 321 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: Ones, Yeah, what the fuck? 322 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 2: I know, it's so odd, it's so oddly written, like 323 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 2: it's so obtuse, you know, like in the message. 324 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: Well, I think that this in that sense, I maybe 325 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: they see this song as a kind of spiritual what's 326 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: the word? I always forget? If it's like, uh, the 327 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: one that not an ancestor but later a spiritually they're 328 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: they're in the spiritual lineage of something like that on 329 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: lennon Christmas song, which also I love that song. And 330 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: also there is a serious and justifiable criticism one could 331 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: make about a lot of John Lennon's hectoring, like Working 332 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: Class Hero or some of those songs where there is 333 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: a little bit of a like what a beautiful message 334 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: and what a thoughtful moving expression. I think he tends 335 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: to be a much better songwriter than whatever's happening here. 336 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: But also sometimes John, you want to be like yeah. 337 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: But also that was like one of the most famous 338 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: people in the world who was living completely disconnected from 339 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: reality for almost his entire adult life. Also, the conditions 340 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: of celebrity were different than where he was actually and 341 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: in fact it's baked into how he ultimately was killed. 342 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: He was still like hanging out around people all the time, 343 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: so it wasn't quite the way it is now. But 344 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: I also sometimes do think with like some of his 345 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: like finger pointing songs, I'm like, yeah, dude, you're like 346 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: the most famous musician alive, and you're like mat telling 347 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: people like a working class hero is something to be 348 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? But anyway, 349 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: I wonder if that's what they thought here, Like he 350 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: kind of held he made sure in that song him 351 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: and Yoko that it was like, don't forget while we're 352 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: taking this pause from reality to celebrate with our families 353 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: and our food and our presence, Like war is still 354 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: happening everywhere, you know, and there's and look on its face. 355 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that message at all. I think 356 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: it's great to keep in balance and in mind. But 357 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: there is something about the way here they also invoke 358 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: it's a world of dread and fear, and that also 359 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: the only water flowing is the bitter sting of tears. 360 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: And then I was talking about Sting, the singer in 361 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: Stings Tears. 362 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: No, it's wild that this plays on the radio often 363 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: every you know, post Thanksgiving, all of December. 364 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: It's pretty heavy. They don't want to get caught up 365 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: in the clanging chimes of doom. 366 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so Tom Paul McCartney's like samely, Yeah, exactly, you 367 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: could see. 368 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: I always think about that, like if there was one 369 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: song in the Beatles catalog that I would show an 370 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: alien to be like, this was how these two people 371 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: at their peak interacted. It's we could work it out, 372 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: we can work it out, whatever the title that song is. 373 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: Because like Paul's verses are like and then John comes in, 374 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: He's like, life is very short. That's a great minor key, 375 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: Like the bridge is like John's like, let's make sure 376 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: people don't forget, like there is the clanging giants of doom. 377 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: And Paul's like Desmond has a ladder and he's walking 378 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 2: to the Poli shop. 379 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: But then just fucking Paul wrote eleanor Rigby, you know, 380 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: and yesterday I could joke about Paul bite I stand 381 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: a Paul song. There is this, you know, I need 382 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: to talk about this, every Omar, every Mackay. There is 383 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: a story that I was told, you know, I'm a 384 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: big Elliot Smith fan noted Beatles fan noted Beatles acolyte 385 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: his own thing with it, but definitely so much Beatles 386 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: in the soup. There with Elliott, they were having a 387 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,239 Speaker 1: cover and thought of as kind of, you know, like 388 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: there's a rawness or realness. You'd think of Elliott as 389 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: sort of like a John George hybrid perhaps, But there 390 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: was a conversation who was having once with Rob Schnaff, 391 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: record producer, and they were going through it who was 392 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: the best and at the end of all of it 393 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: extolling George's virtues, and John brought the and then there 394 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,239 Speaker 1: was like a silence and Elliott said, and that's why 395 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: it's such a bummer that Paul was by far the 396 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: best one of all of them. Wow, And it's about musicality. 397 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: That guy could do things as a musician that like 398 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: kind of very few people like John and George couldn't 399 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: do what Paul could do. Paul couldn't do what they 400 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: could do like energetically, spiritually, attitudinally, but he could play 401 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: everything they could play and with ease. Paul could do things. 402 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: They would sit there and be like, the fuck are 403 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: you doing dude, that's insane? Anyway, what is that? 404 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 2: Well, coming back, it's interesting that Christmas songs is such 405 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: a thing to try to do right, and like even 406 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 2: just the fact that both like that, Lennon and McCartney 407 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 2: both have Christmas songs on their solo joints and then 408 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 2: they influenced that. They're obviously a huge influence on these 409 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 2: euro Star of them. Yes, and yeah, it's it's actually 410 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: interesting that they're not on this right. 411 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: Well, this was eight four, This was right after John five. 412 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: This is within five years John passing. But it's kind 413 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: of funny that I bet they asked McCartney. Yeah, it 414 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: was Jarrson. John was eighty one, eighty December of eighty Yeah, 415 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: so this is like maybe this was just a period 416 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: of time where those guys were just like not doing things. 417 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 2: Like it's also the younger generation right, So it's like, yes, 418 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: singing bono, like that's that's clearly like this. It's so 419 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: far away from the Beatles and somebody. 420 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: This is early you two to this is like you 421 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: two two. And they did ask Desmond Tutu, but he 422 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: he was offending it this right of course. 423 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 2: And at this point did they write the theme song 424 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 2: to Entourage yet or they were still. 425 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: Yeah this was this was actually early Jane's and they're 426 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: notably absent, but uh, you two had written the theme 427 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: song for Entourage and sold it to Jane's. Oh yeah, 428 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: that's a little known. I do the research too, No 429 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: big deal. 430 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 2: Oh wait it was Jane's addiction. Did that was the 431 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: theme song to Entourage? 432 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah. 433 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 2: Oh that's why that feels very bono to me, because 434 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 2: I was also thinking that, like does Treys song? 435 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, remember. 436 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 2: That one from Vertigo? 437 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? Vertigo? 438 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: That seems like the same genre as the theme song. 439 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 2: It's a I got that wrong, but. 440 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: If you if you go and check it out on 441 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: Apple Music or Spotify or Deezer or wherever you listen 442 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: to music, there is a genre in and of itself, 443 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: and the two songs are Vertigo and theme from entourage, 444 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: so it's not it's an it's an honest mistake. 445 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: What are your overall thoughts on Christmas music Christmas pop music. 446 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: I think there's a sweet spot and the utility to 447 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: it for me, like I kind of like there is 448 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: something to be said for like, uh, it helps demarcate 449 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: the sort of moment and I think like when you're 450 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: like moving around in a supermarket and you're like, oh, 451 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,479 Speaker 1: they're playing that Mariah Carrey song, I guess it really is. 452 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: We really are coming up on Christmas time. And there's 453 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: actually some like I think Phil Spector, I know, you know, 454 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: criminally misunderstood, totally innocent guy. But that Phil Spector Christmas 455 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: record he made with the Run, Yes, that is like 456 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: amazing music. I could listen to that. And that Willie 457 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: Nelson it's called Pretty Paper, that Willie Nelson Christmas record. 458 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: Those are things like that whole month leading into the 459 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: end of December. Like I do listen to that, like 460 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 1: around edy and stuff because I'm like, well, I want 461 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: to have some of that on and those are like, 462 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: I know, I really like those. 463 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 2: I will say that I'm not the biggest holiday spirit 464 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 2: person songs do kind I know, I know please don't 465 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: stop listening to the cops on my door. Cops are 466 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: at my fucking door. But certain it's all fuck, it's 467 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 2: Bono and Jane's addiction. They're mad that I screwed that up. 468 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 2: There are certain songs that get me in the holiday spirit, 469 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 2: and they really do. 470 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: They kick me in. 471 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 2: Those songs are Tom Petty, Oh Baby, It's Christmas all 472 00:25:59,200 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 2: over again. 473 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good one. That was on Gap Kids 474 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: when I worked there. That was on the Christmas Like, Okay, 475 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: even the store Satn Island Mall shouts out to Gap Kids. 476 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 2: I gotta also give it to the waitresses Christmas rapping. 477 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: I always like that song. 478 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: Insane song. Also, that's a great song to go lyric 479 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: for lyric about because it's really nuts. It's really really crazy. 480 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: Yes, and then yeah, I don't know the other one's 481 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I kind of I kind of like 482 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 2: the Charlie Brown Christmas album. 483 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: Yeah that so my daughter was my daughter. 484 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 2: Was born on December twentieth, and so we took her 485 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 2: home on Christmas Eve and I put that record on 486 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 2: on the way on Christmas Eve. 487 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: So that was like, that's cool. 488 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 2: But even I've always liked that those those tunes off 489 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 2: that album, oh especially Christmas Time, that's the one. And 490 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 2: it's so simple. And that's the thing. I think this 491 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 2: song's too complicated. There's too many different lookouts and. 492 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: This song makes you I love this shit, dude. 493 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: I want to like it because I do, you know, 494 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 2: like I don't mind things with the message or at 495 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 2: least just like stuff reading money for things. But it's 496 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 2: it's too it's too overwritten and over complicated. 497 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: Also, what there is a absolutely and something can be 498 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: for a good purpose and be patently ridiculous. There's a 499 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: lot of things that are for a good purpose that 500 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: are like kind of like sanctimonious, condescending and ultimately like 501 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: not very good. And this I think falls into that 502 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: that lyrically anyway, it falls into that category. For sure. 503 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: I think that there's but I also think there's something 504 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: about you know, the greatest gift they'll get this year 505 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: is life. I know, and I set out loud, maybe 506 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: that's what everybody should feel. Maybe it shouldn't be the 507 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: greatest gift I got this year was that constant or 508 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: like or you know, my that that sort of at 509 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: home gaming system, or my weighted blanket for my anxiety 510 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: or whatever. 511 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,239 Speaker 2: I love a kid being like, could I have an 512 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 2: at home gaming system, a child being like, I'll take 513 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 2: I'll take an at home gaming It's like, well, well, 514 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 2: actually you just get life. 515 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,719 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and being like, oh, well, I guess at 516 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: the But honestly though, like a cool, forward thinking kid 517 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: would be like, I can't even have an at home 518 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: gaming system if I don't have life first. But also 519 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: there is something echoey house he lives in. He must 520 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: be really poor. You know that kid's poor as fuck. 521 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: Best gift they'll get this year is life where nothing 522 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:50,239 Speaker 1: ever grows, like this is confusing our life. And so 523 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I do think I'm my chance he is. 524 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: I love the gallop, I love the Phil Collins drumming. 525 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: I do think they form it with commitment. I think 526 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: it's actually a more enjoyable listen than we are the world. 527 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: I'm comparing those direct correlative. But also I think it's 528 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: lyrically ridiculous, sanctimonious and silly. And at the end of 529 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: it thought, there's something most important I want to say 530 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: to you, though. 531 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 2: Hit me tell me. 532 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: Do you know whose birthday is December nineteenth? Yours? Yeah, Doggie, 533 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: one day apart from the most precious person in your life. 534 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,239 Speaker 2: So the two most precious people in my life, you 535 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 2: and Gollum. 536 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: Yay, precious, but also got to keep that quiet. 537 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 2: Cannondorf, Yeah, no, that's that's wild. Speaking of you, do 538 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 2: you consider you have a song called Splitting Up Christmas? 539 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 2: Do you consider that a Christmas song? 540 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: Well, I knew all the greats had to try to 541 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: tackle it at some point, you know, And so what 542 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: I thought was like Lennon McCartney, Irving Berlin, Charles Gushwinn, 543 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,719 Speaker 1: Gurles Darwin. You know, so I was like Gannon Door 544 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: from Zeldas. I don't know, it's it's so funny. 545 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 2: I don't think you probably didn't write it as a 546 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 2: Christmas song, but maybe you did. 547 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: What I think is more actually, I think so I had. 548 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: That song was written for a record that came out 549 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: in two thousand and three called Make the Clocks Move. 550 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: None of my records are like successful with a capital S. 551 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: But in the little sort of corner of the universe 552 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: we occupy, there are some that have like a slightly 553 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: larger tribe than others. And I think that one's one 554 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: of them, where there's another one called Brother's Blood. That 555 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: is probably also true about that. But with when writing 556 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: the stuff for Make the Clocks Move, I was like 557 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: a twenty two year old kid, and it was a 558 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: lot more just like unedited, you know what I mean. 559 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: Like I think the inner editor was like a little 560 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: bit more like. I was also pretty much always drunk. 561 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: And also when you're a kid, you're just sort of 562 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: like churning. You're making big choices, yeah, or you're not. 563 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: You're just it's just coming out, you know what I mean. 564 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: And I think that I our friend Jay Miller, who 565 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: was in a band called Monty Love on Staten Island 566 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: and always would do these Christmas parties, these shows every 567 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: year at a place called Dock Street. There was a 568 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,239 Speaker 1: year he was going to do two an afternoon one 569 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: at some bar and then in the evening the rock 570 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: show at Dock Street. My band was going to play 571 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: at the rock show, but I was going to do 572 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: a solo set at the afternoon thing, and we were 573 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: going to do a split CD one song. A split 574 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: EP is big. This is big of the era. A 575 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,479 Speaker 1: split EP was big at this era. And no, no, no, 576 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: this was two and so I think that we recorded 577 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: a song each at his apartment on a four track, 578 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, we're doing that. I should 579 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,719 Speaker 1: like write something for it, but write it in the 580 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: style of how I write. And we ended up really 581 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: liking it. And by the time the record was the 582 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: time we were making the record, the guys that were 583 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: producing it were like, we should just record that song too, 584 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: and just and now there's a studio album, really, for 585 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: all intents and purposes, the first one of mine anyone 586 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: paid any kind of attention to that has a fucking 587 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: Christmas song on it. And when we did the twentieth 588 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: anniversary shows for that record, every night it was like, 589 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: and here's a Christmas song, because like, what else did 590 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: you think a fifty three minute long, like endless, almost 591 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: no repeating lyrics, lageryic Hi, I'm a twenty three year 592 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: old to can't shut my brain off? What else would 593 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: it need? I guess a Christmas song. 594 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,959 Speaker 2: It's because when I think of the song and I 595 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 2: know the song, I know that that record really well. 596 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: I actually don't. 597 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 2: I don't think of it as like it doesn't feel 598 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 2: crazy Christmas. Ye, it does, maybe a little bit, and 599 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 2: then it has the word in it, but it feels 600 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 2: like a song about Christmas and about does that make 601 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 2: it a Christmas song? 602 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:39,719 Speaker 1: Right? Like? 603 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 2: I actually like that it's not necessarily because it's I 604 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: don't know, it's it's about splitting up where to go 605 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 2: for Christmas? 606 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: Right. I always thought that that's to me, it was 607 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: also more about a song about family and friendship and 608 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: community and the thing that sort of might, like uh, 609 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: be emphasized more on days like that we have more 610 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: of a prompter an emphasis to reflect on it. But 611 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: I can see why you didn't think it was a 612 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: Christmas song because there's zero mention of banishing shade. Yeah, 613 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: that's true. You didn't banish any shade during it. What happened. 614 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 2: You didn't shame people. I think, knowing about famine in Africa. 615 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: You do that elsewhere. I didn't do it there. But 616 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: I do think that at the at the before we 617 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: rap with this, I do just want to point out 618 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: too quickly what not too quickly as well? I want 619 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: too quickly that you know, one of the things that's 620 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: the through line between some of that great Christmas music 621 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: we were talking about we do like is there's a 622 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: sense of like melancholie in it that I think is 623 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: a part of that season two, and that's part of 624 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: stuff like even like Silent Night. That song's so beautiful 625 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,239 Speaker 1: because there's also like a hint of melancholie in it 626 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: as well for all of its joyful celebration, which I 627 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: think is like representative of, you know, like a Drew 628 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: Live experience. But you know, anyway, that's what I think 629 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: I give. I give everything a chance on Christmas, even 630 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: shade banishment. I do hope that the African stuff got solved. 631 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: I don't know what happened after this song, but I 632 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: think everything's fine now. They raised ten million dollars. It's 633 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: really good. 634 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 2: That's con fete a lot of peeps, I think I 635 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 2: assume back especially back then with inflation. 636 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: I'll take ten mil. Now, if any of the chances 637 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: want to throw ten mil my way, I'll eat and 638 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: eat and eat, dogg eat. 639 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 2: I might take ten, but give me the ten mil. 640 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 1: I'll slice you five. 641 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 2: I'll slide you five foul and then we could as 642 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 2: long as we talk about it, we're good. 643 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: So what do we got to talk about though? 644 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 2: Just if it's okay with me taking the money, and 645 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 2: then just to the fact that we had the conversation. 646 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: I was honest about it, and I slide, So you 647 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: would be You would be the one having fun on Christmas, 648 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: and I would be the other ones, yes, the other ones. 649 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,439 Speaker 1: All right, chances clearly you see whose bread is buttered where, 650 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,959 Speaker 1: and hell, yay yay, just give it a ship.