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Speaker 5: And now your hosts Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez

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Speaker 4: Texas and the swbt C Studios. Welcome in, everybody. We've

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Speaker 4: got Patrick no c Walker back in the building. Yes,

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Speaker 4: he is back, and we're going to talk about that

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 5: It's just that was just a usual day and happened

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Speaker 4: The eight corn, Hey, gotcha. We also have Anthony dor

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good morning. I'm happy to be here today with y'all.

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Speaker 4: Fellis eight year NFL pro You played four at corner,

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Speaker 4: four at safety. You got the secondary on lock. You

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Speaker 4: are also a featured part of the Player's Lounge podcast

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Speaker 4: Filling In Today with Isaiah and Good Morning Football. Josh's

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Speaker 4: on vacation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, he's literally on the right here.

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Speaker 4: So big time perusal. He'll probably call in at some

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Speaker 4: point and that's how he like he misses us when

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Speaker 4: he's out. We've got Paul Bestidas in the back ystead

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Speaker 4: of Chris Beams, so we are making it happen here

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Speaker 4: on the final week of March and owners going on

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Speaker 4: currently in Phoenix. A lot to get to. But ad

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Speaker 4: for those that may not know on our airways for

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Speaker 4: talking Cowboys, kind of give us your background a little

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Speaker 4: bit and kind of how you got to the Cowboys

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Speaker 4: media scene over these last couple of months.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so my background, of course is I played some football,

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Speaker 6: as you mentioned, I played for Yeah, I played four

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Speaker 6: years with Titans, four years of the Raiders, two Super Bowls.

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Speaker 6: Unfortunately don't have a ring, but got the experience of course.

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Speaker 6: But you know, like this is a game that I've

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Speaker 6: actually been around my entire life. Everybody said a lot

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Speaker 6: of people say that, but everybody don't mean that. I

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Speaker 6: was born the same day of my dad's first college game,

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Speaker 6: So from Jump Street, I was on the University of

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Speaker 6: Pittsburgh campus all the way through.

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Speaker 3: The Cowboys with the Broncos.

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Speaker 6: Of course, had my opportunity to go back to pitt

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Speaker 3: A piece of family.

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Speaker 6: It's family business more so than any But uh, fortunately

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Speaker 6: I was I've been trying to get into some TV

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Speaker 6: he asked me, He's like, man, what are you doing.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I'm trying to get into it.

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Speaker 6: And one thing led to another and I ended up

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Speaker 4: You look like you're ready for pitt Pro Day too,

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Speaker 4: and it already happened. You said you were watching a

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was ready to work out.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So we went to we were in town.

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Speaker 6: We were in Pittsburgh last week we're doing a Deep

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Speaker 6: Blue segment on my dad. Yeah, so we went home

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 6: And needless to say, you know, I love my school

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Speaker 6: and right now, you know, of course we talked about

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Speaker 3: And he looked good. He looked good. And not to mention,

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Speaker 6: Couple of dbs out there and some receivers at RAN

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Speaker 4: But Kyle lewis just a dude. We've talked about him

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Speaker 4: Maybe not for Dallas, but definitely something to look at

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Speaker 4: moving forward. How is your dad doing? For those that

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Speaker 4: How is he doing?

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Speaker 6: Man, my dad is doing good for everybody who doesn't know. Like,

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Speaker 6: you know, people always like, hey, man, can your dad

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Speaker 6: Physically the dude is a freak, I feel to this day,

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Speaker 6: you know what I mean. Unfortunately, the thing that CTE

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Speaker 6: just one of those things where his short term memory

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Speaker 6: So but as far as everything else goes, man, he's

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Speaker 6: in great health, great spirits. I applaud him every day,

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Speaker 1: That's one of the heroes you would love to come

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Speaker 4: All right, who are one and two?

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Speaker 5: One is Emmittka and two is Michael Irvin. Yes, okay, Mike,

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Speaker 6: Need some Tony door Set that came to Emmitt and

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Speaker 5: Okay, but you haven't put mine in in the I'm

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Speaker 5: gonna age myself here, okay. So nineteen eighty baby, sure right,

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Speaker 5: So as a nineteen eighty baby, my first goal at

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Speaker 5: So yes, absolutely can't dig in your heels today, though

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Speaker 5: I can diget one one here.

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Speaker 1: I can dig one here now.

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Speaker 4: Good to have you back, Pat, Good to have you

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Speaker 4: for the first time, Anthony on the show. Really appreciate you, guys.

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Speaker 4: And let's get into a little bit of news and notes.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot going on the owners meetings. We had

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Speaker 1: I do. Let's first start with some transactions.

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Speaker 5: The Cowboys did agree to terms and finalized to deal

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Speaker 1: Well, he is in the building.

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Speaker 5: Cowboys needed to address the cornerback position as early as

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Speaker 5: Who else is going to attack that position? Well, it's

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Speaker 5: going to be Jonathan Bullert for now. Cowboys signed him

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Speaker 1: Let's do it.

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Speaker 4: Thirty two years old is gonna be playing in his

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Speaker 3: And of course, with.

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Speaker 6: But then he also brings some leadership and some veteran

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Speaker 5: Well, and this was a topic of conversation for a

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Speaker 5: based on what Christian Parker has been saying, the tea

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Speaker 5: Kobe Durant feels as if he's going to be nickel.

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Speaker 1: Now bring it forward.

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Speaker 4: Nicole Hutcheson did it. It's on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 4: She asked him about it, but we also asked him

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Speaker 5: It will be enough, and I'm projecting here, it will

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Speaker 5: It didn't work out well for them. They're not looking

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Speaker 5: We'll see what he can be on the Christian Parker,

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Speaker 3: And so that was gonna be my thing too as well.

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Speaker 6: You got when you look at Jalen Thompson and what

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Speaker 6: You know, Durant Bland has pretty much proven himself over

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Speaker 6: name again?

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Speaker 1: You have Revel Rank, Kobe Durant, Kobe Durrect Durrant.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's going to be a good look in

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Speaker 6: But that room definitely needs some depth and being that

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Speaker 6: And I'm still I don't want to take anything away

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, so I think that might be what

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree.

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Speaker 5: I'm not These moves don't put me off of a

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Speaker 5: make a great point, Anthony, in that darn Bland and

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Speaker 5: Savon revel they're coming off of injury. Darn Bland is

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty five. Any football player who has a foot

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Speaker 4: Well and that's part of the cornerback room as a whole.

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Speaker 4: And that's what Duran has been. He's been versatile, played

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Speaker 4: If it's Caleb Downs at twelve, I can tell you

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Speaker 1: Well, if he would be a yeah, if we're gonna

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Speaker 4: Is Dylan Thieneman could be a cowboy very much. You're

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Speaker 3: Forget about PJ Lock.

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Speaker 4: I don't think PJ Lock is going to take away

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Speaker 6: What I've seen in Jayleen Thoms that's it's Caleb Downs

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: We gotta go out there twice last year, okay, right,

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Speaker 4: If I had to do a mock draft right now

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Speaker 4: If downs falls, he's still the picket twelve. If Thieneman

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Speaker 4: And that's where I say you're gonna have the number

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's completely off the board. Whenever it's

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Speaker 4: agree with everything you're saying. Filling holes for Jalen Thompson

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Speaker 4: that's on our board. Let's not go away from that.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like theenem in and Downs are going

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Speaker 5: I'm with you on Downs when it comes to theenem

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Speaker 5: I love that. I love the kids skill set, I

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Speaker 1: I build my defense front to back.

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Speaker 5: Okay, linebackers playing in front of my safeties and cornerbacks,

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Speaker 5: edg rusher, do that. But for me, linebacker, because if

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Speaker 5: your defensive line is playing well, that's wonderful.

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Speaker 1: That's one aspect of it.

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Speaker 5: Let's say you do get a safety who's not Caleb Downs,

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Speaker 5: because again, if you there, you take them. But if

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Speaker 5: it's a non Caleb Downs safety, you take that With

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Speaker 5: the twelfth overall pick. You're sitting there still looking at

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Speaker 5: the middle the hole in your defense, and all teams

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Speaker 1: Hole in the middle of the defense as they should.

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Speaker 1: And then what's going to happen.

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Speaker 5: Your safeties are going to now have to crash down

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Speaker 5: more often and then they're going to go over the top.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you have to come away with at

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Speaker 4: least a starting linebacker from this point forward, whether that's

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Speaker 4: in the draft and at CJ. Allen or at Sonny Styles.

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Speaker 4: Sunny Styles changes the whole conversation.

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Speaker 1: Also, twelve.

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Speaker 4: If he falls the twelve, which I don't think is

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Speaker 4: going to happen. If he falls the twelve, that changes.

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Speaker 1: The whole conversation, then do it.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead and do it. Let's get out of there.

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Speaker 4: Let's see what happens. Even I would even have that

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Speaker 4: downs more as a prospect, I would still have that conversation.

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Speaker 1: Sonny Styles, Caleb Downs, water gun to your head.

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Speaker 4: I would still take downs, okay, but I would have

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Speaker 4: the conversation. Okay, I would talk about it. All right,

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Speaker 4: Purly white from years you go. Good stuff. We were

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Speaker 4: talking a lot about what we would do at twelve

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Speaker 4: as time goes on. I mean, this is the whole

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Speaker 4: The whole month of April is going to be draft conversation.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait. Especially with two first round picks. It

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Speaker 4: can be exciting. But there was kind of an echoed

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Speaker 4: excuse me in Phoenix, where Stephen Jones and Brian Schottenheimer

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Speaker 4: both said similar things but in different ways. We've liked

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Speaker 4: what we've done so far, but we're not done yet.

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Speaker 4: And from a Brian Schottenheimer's standpoint, it made it seem

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Speaker 4: as if they're not done yet because they're still shopping,

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Speaker 4: They're still trying to make moves. They're still trying to

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Speaker 4: do certain things. And then tell me if I'm wrong

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Speaker 4: for inferring this from Stephen Jones. And what he was

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Speaker 4: talking about his not done yet is let's see what

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Speaker 5: That's not how he's intending it to be received. He

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Speaker 5: is intending it to be received as they're still working

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Speaker 5: the phones. They are still making calls two teams. Of course,

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Speaker 5: as everyone knows, I'm unable to say what teams and

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Speaker 5: what players, but I can tell you that they are

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Speaker 5: in search of a linebacker, so keep an eye out

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Speaker 5: for a possible trade either before the draft.

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Speaker 1: Talk about that situation so bad, I know, but they are.

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Speaker 5: They are on the phone talking about the one down

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Speaker 4: In palm trees, and there's a there's a guy that

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Speaker 4: wore till last year for his team. You know, we

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Speaker 4: can't talk about.

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Speaker 5: It, but I can tell you that they're looking at

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Speaker 5: the position as a possible trade going into the draft

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Speaker 5: or maybe Draft night, Day one, maybe Day two. So

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Speaker 5: we'll see how that pans out. But that's not the

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Speaker 5: only position they're making calls about so well, Stephen Jones

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Speaker 5: is saying, you can actually take literally There's really nothing

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Speaker 5: to infer from that particular quote, because I know that

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Speaker 5: we we work here and we cover the Cowboys, and

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Speaker 5: we know there's a lot of double speak and triple speak,

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Speaker 5: and you're trying to get through the word spaghetti and

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Speaker 5: read between the lines. But every once in a while

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Speaker 5: it's it's straight talk. And based on what I've been

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Speaker 4: Here's the actual quote. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: I think we checked a lot of boxes, Jones said.

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Speaker 4: I think we really improved our football team. It felt

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Speaker 4: really good about what we or I felt really good

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Speaker 4: about what we accomplished. I think we were between trades,

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Speaker 4: between negotiations, between signing our own guys, doing things that

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Speaker 4: we felt were needed. I think we got a lot done.

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Speaker 4: And that's where I think the the quote is straightforward,

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Speaker 4: and I see there We're used to trying to read

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Speaker 4: in between the lines with these certain things. And I

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Speaker 4: have something else that he said later in a specific

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Speaker 4: conversation that I'm going to kind of let our talking

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Speaker 4: Cowboys fanily in on a secret in a little bit.

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Speaker 4: But this quote specifically is in past tense, which makes

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Speaker 4: me think what you're saying maybe there and it was

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Speaker 4: all in past tense. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: I think we checked a lot of boxes. We improved

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Speaker 4: our football team, what we accomplished, all of it is

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Speaker 4: past tense.

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Speaker 1: I really think that's just.

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Speaker 3: Done working.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's half empty, half fool. How do

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Speaker 5: you view the bottle? Is it a shriek? So we're

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Speaker 5: nine because basically I interpret that as he's saying that

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Speaker 5: what they this is where we stand. But looking back,

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Speaker 5: he loves what they did here, here, here, here, and here.

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Speaker 5: He never said that they were done. He never said

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Speaker 5: eyes on the draft exclusively. He was just idamized, right,

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Speaker 5: you know, I see it too, definitely, I see it

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Speaker 5: that way.

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Speaker 3: We've been busy.

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Speaker 6: We haven't been We've been a little bit busier than

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Speaker 6: we normally are. We've done a lot of things as

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Speaker 6: far as with players and coaches that I'm impressed with.

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Speaker 3: It that I feel good about.

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Speaker 6: And I think that he's just more so like just

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Speaker 6: like you said, we're just still stacking it though, but

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Speaker 6: we're not done working yet at all, so I don't

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Speaker 6: take it like as a past tense thing. I just

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Speaker 6: think look at him saying, like, hey, with twenty twenty

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Speaker 6: high insight, so far, we've been doing good.

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Speaker 4: Since we were talking about the linebacker position a little

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Speaker 4: bit too, What do you think about this quote from Steven?

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Speaker 4: I think it was well written that we made some runs.

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Speaker 4: We didn't get it done, but obviously that's something that's

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Speaker 4: still we haven't checked that box yet. We still got

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Speaker 4: a big draft ahead of us, and we'll continue to

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Speaker 4: look at other opportunities that might present themselves. How do

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Speaker 4: you interpret that in terms of the linebacker position?

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Speaker 5: Again, straight to he's just basically recapping, is basically what

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Speaker 5: he's doing. We know that they went hard at a

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Speaker 5: couple of linebackers in the first wave of free agency,

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Speaker 5: and we know that one of those linebackers, Nikobe Dean,

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Speaker 5: chose to go with the Las Vegas Raiders because of

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Speaker 5: more locker room familiarity. He's basically reuniting with several players

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Speaker 5: that he played with at University of Georgia. Not unlike

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Speaker 5: when he played for the Eagles, he played with several

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Speaker 5: guys from the University of Georgia.

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Speaker 1: That just seems to be what he wants put.

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Speaker 5: The offer the Cowboys had on the table for Nakoby

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Speaker 5: was very comparable. It was right there, Nick and Nick,

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Speaker 5: and he said to himself it was fifty one to

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Speaker 5: forty nine.

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Speaker 1: He chose the Raiders.

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Speaker 5: So Cowboys have been active in trying to get that linebacker,

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Speaker 5: but they haven't gotten it yet. So now we're in

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Speaker 5: the I don't want to say the bargain been portion

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Speaker 5: of free agency, but let me just say we're in

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Speaker 5: the bargain being portion of free agency, and you're likely

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Speaker 5: going to have to strike a trade to get someone

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Speaker 5: who's going to be an immediate impact on the roster.

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Speaker 5: You hope that when you draft the rookie. Of course,

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Speaker 5: the hope is that the rookie can come in and

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Speaker 5: explode from year one. There are exceptions to that where

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Speaker 5: it actually happens, but more often than not it's a

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Speaker 5: year two, year three deal.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 6: And then for me, there are certain guys out there

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Speaker 6: that are free agents as well. Right now, I don't

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Speaker 6: know if I could speak on him, but I think

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Speaker 6: Bobby Wagner. Isn't he a free agent? Yeah, he is,

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Speaker 6: all right, So can we talk about him? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's anybody who's not on the country.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 6: So now with Bobby, like, of course he's up in years,

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Speaker 6: but the leadership that he brings in what he could teach.

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Speaker 6: And so if you go out there and you strike

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Speaker 6: a deal with a guy like Bobby Wagner who could

658
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 6: come in give some respect to the defense immediately, but

659
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 6: then you still go out and use a draft pick

660
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 6: to bring a young guy in. Now you got a

661
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 6: dude like Bobby Wagner who's been a consistent All Pro

662
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 6: pro bowler, Walter Payton Man of the Year, great for

663
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 6: the locker room, great for the community, as a leader

664
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 6: in there, and also someone who could teach a young

665
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 6: dude who's coming up.

666
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: That be the case, all right.

667
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 6: And so that being said, like I've looked at a

668
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 6: guy like that, and that's the type of dude that

669
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 6: if the Cowboys are actually going to do this in

670
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 6: free agency or through the trades or whatever the case,

671
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 6: maybe you need a guy like that to come in

672
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 6: here and solidify that middle absolutely.

673
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 5: And I did list Bobby Wagner as one of the

674
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 5: candidates for the Cowboys in the open market series for

675
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 5: all the reasons that you just said. Yes, he's getting

676
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 5: up there in age, but I still think he can

677
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 5: play at a high level.

678
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: Can he play at the elite level.

679
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 5: That he's become accustomed to, maybe in flashes in spots,

680
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 5: maybe not consistently, but he can consistently be better than

681
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 5: most of what you have on the roster right now

682
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 5: outside of a healthy Demarvey on Overshown, I think that

683
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 5: a healthy demo changes this whole conversation. However, you can't

684
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 5: bank on I was about to say, which bank on that?

685
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: So you got to address the position.

686
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 4: I would love to add Bobby Wagner with another big addition.

687
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 4: You draft a player in the first round, whether at

688
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 4: Sonny Styles, CJ. Allen, whatever it ends up being. You

689
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 4: draft the linebacker in the first round, and then you

690
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 4: turn around and you pair him with Bobby Wagner. You

691
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 4: talk about the knowledge and the type of in Wagner.

692
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 4: I don't even know if he would start as a

693
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 4: reserve player in that situation. It depends on really how

694
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,719
Speaker 4: ready the linebacker is out of college. He could be

695
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 4: a rotational linebacker or he could be your starting linebacker.

696
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 4: Either way, he's going to instill a lot to the

697
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 4: second level and has been around it and has seen

698
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 4: everything that a young linebacker is going to see. That

699
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 4: would be Sean Lee teaching Layton vander Esh. You know,

700
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 4: it would be something like that again, and I would

701
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 4: be down for anything of that sort, and I think

702
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 4: it would pair well together. One other thing that Stephen

703
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 4: did talk about or tried not to talk about, was

704
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 4: George Pickens.

705
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: And I answered your question he.

706
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 4: Did try and which she I mean, to be fair,

707
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 4: he did answer the question initially and then decided not

708
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 4: to talk about it, but he was very uncommittal when

709
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 4: it came to the George Pickens conversation and what the

710
00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 4: what the negotiations have looked like. Remember Brian shot Or

711
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 4: was asked about the same thing in that morning press

712
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 4: conference and he Shotty had said, we had had conversations

713
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 4: with George Pickens. Doesn't mean that that's negotiations, doesn't mean

714
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 4: that that's with the agents. That doesn't mean anything involved there.

715
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 4: One thing I will say is usually in my time

716
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 4: covering the team, and this is where this is staying

717
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 4: between us as the talking Cowboys family, the time that

718
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 4: I've spent with the team, the more quiet the front

719
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 4: office is about a certain situation, the closer they are

720
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 4: to something happening. And so just because he says what

721
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 4: he said yesterday shut down the question and said, I

722
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 4: already answered your question to Clarus Hill of the DLLs

723
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 4: Cowboys side of things, that doesn't mean that nothing is happening.

724
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 4: That doesn't mean that there's a standstill. That doesn't mean

725
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 4: anything when it comes to a negative for George Pickens,

726
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 4: that all that might be to mean the complete opposite close,

727
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 4: and they don't want to mess anything up and they

728
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 4: don't want to gotiate through the media. They don't want

729
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 4: to do that kind.

730
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: Of back because how did that work out with Michael.

731
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 4: Because it did not work out well eat. But in

732
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 4: a lot of these other contracts, CD specifically is one

733
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 4: that reminds me or I'm reminded of every time it

734
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 4: comes around the CD deal a couple of years ago.

735
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 4: That was in a training camp to hold out. It

736
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 4: was in a preseason when they were close. They shut

737
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 4: down everything in terms of the media, in terms of

738
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 4: what they were trying to do publicly. So this may

739
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 4: not be that conversation, but just keep that in mind.

740
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 4: It's all I'm trying to sprinkle it out there. Just

741
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 4: because they don't want to talk about it doesn't mean

742
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 4: that they aren't close where they aren't working on I agree.

743
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 5: And the thing is is, we live in a world where,

744
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 5: you know, so much information is so readily available that

745
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 5: when something goes quiet on any particular situation or topic,

746
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 5: then people start to wonder, oh, well, this means the

747
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 5: bad thing, and they get pessimistic. I'm seeing a lot

748
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 5: of Cowboys fans come to me directly on my social

749
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 5: media accounts and they're saying, well, do see you know

750
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 5: we haven't we haven't heard about any other teams approaching

751
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 5: George Pickens. Does this work in favor of the Cowboys?

752
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 5: My response is always the same, just because you didn't

753
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 5: hear it doesn't mean the treat didn't fall.

754
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

755
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 5: Right, At the end of the day, not every point

756
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 5: of contact between a player, a player's agent, and a

757
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 5: team will make it to NFL network or to ESPN

758
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 5: or to one of the beat writers. Sometimes it just

759
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 5: doesn't have enough traction yet. I'm simply saying that to

760
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 5: say to support your point, and that when Stephen Jones

761
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 5: says he doesn't want to talk about it anymore, that

762
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 5: doesn't mean it's a worst case scenario. It could just

763
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 5: simply mean that, hey, we're working on this and we

764
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 5: don't want to say even the slightest thing that can

765
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 5: be misconstrued, because let's just be honest, let's keep it

766
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 5: a whole book. This is the Cowboys. Every national media

767
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 5: outlet and even some of the smaller ones, they're looking

768
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 5: to take something that Jerry or Stevens says about this

769
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 5: Pickings thing, or they're looking to take anything that Pickens

770
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 5: himself says about it and turn it a different way.

771
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 5: And then once that that quote goes viral, now you're

772
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 5: doing more trying to put out a fire than you

773
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 5: are negotiating a deal. So I think there's been progress.

774
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 5: I think they will continue to be progressed. The Cowboys

775
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 5: continue to have ninety eight percent of the leverage in

776
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 5: this situation, and as long as they get the deal

777
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 5: done before mid July all as well.

778
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 6: I think that a valuable lesson was learned last year,

779
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 6: and I think that times are changing. I think that

780
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 6: the Cowboys are recognizing that too as well. It used

781
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 6: to be a time where I knew he says they

782
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 6: put people in the blender. Well, you know that doesn't

783
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 6: work for everybody, and I think that they're starting to

784
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 6: understand that, like this new generation of players a little

785
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 6: bit more temperamental. And so that being said, you know,

786
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 6: like these negotiations for players, of course, you know, we

787
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 6: love this game through and through. It's a genuine love.

788
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 6: So this is any emotional time for a player to

789
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 6: be going through. It's hard to separate the business from

790
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 6: the emotion of football.

791
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: When you're a football everybody's still a human exactly.

792
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 6: So with that being said, like it's better to keep

793
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 6: it close to the cuff than there is to be

794
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 6: out there saying a bunch of stuff anyway. And so

795
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 6: I think that the whole thing last year with Micah

796
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 6: in the beginning, it never felt right to me, Like

797
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 6: I and me just being new in the building, I

798
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 6: was like, Okay, well maybe I need to learn something.

799
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 3: But the way I'm looking.

800
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 6: At this, this is not looking like he's going to

801
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 6: be here. But everybody kept saying, oh no, this is

802
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 6: just part of the process. And I think that a

803
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 6: valuable lesson was learned last year. And these guys got

804
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 6: the same agent anyway.

805
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 3: So you gotta learn the list.

806
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 6: Hey you can't, you don't want to want to walk

807
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 6: on eggshells, but at the same time, you got to

808
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 6: be careful.

809
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 4: That's a great point because everything that I'm talking about

810
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 4: is what they've done in the past with their process.

811
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 4: Oh they're shutting down because they might be close, they

812
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 4: could be The very very thing you're talking about is

813
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 4: we've learned our lesson. Maybe we should just chill out

814
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 4: a little bit and make sure that things in business

815
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 4: gets handled along the way. So it is a conversation

816
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 4: back and forth, and it's one that will continue to

817
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 4: evolve every time somebody is in front of a microphone

818
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 4: because they're going to be asked.

819
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 5: About And you know what's funny is, and I use

820
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 5: this phrase a lot, pick your struggle, folks. You got

821
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 5: to pick your struggle because so often fans post a question,

822
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 5: why does Jerry and Stephen have to speak on every

823
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 5: single thing? Why can't they just, you know, in front

824
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 5: of a microphone just defer say I'm not going to

825
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 5: say anything. And now they're not when it comes to

826
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 5: one of the biggest content or the biggest contract negotiation

827
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 5: they currently are working right now, they don't have anything

828
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 5: to say, and those same people are like, give us something,

829
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 5: tell us something you got to pick struggle which one

830
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 5: do you want? But to your point, I believe they

831
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 5: learned the lesson, especially with Pickens having the same agent

832
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 5: as Michael Parsons. They look at what went wrong there

833
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 5: and they're basically looking at David Is saying, you know what,

834
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 5: we have nothing to say to them. As long as

835
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 5: you guys have nothing to say to them, we have

836
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 5: nothing to say to them, and we will continue talking.

837
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 3: And I think we've seen that.

838
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 6: We haven't seen it, but we've heard a small piece

839
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 6: about what a disgruntled George Pickens is like in certain situations.

840
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 6: The way that Pittsburgh handled him and the way that

841
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 6: whole thing went down over there, and it just shined

842
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 6: a whole different light on him and the Fortunately for him,

843
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 6: he was able to come here and throw that shade

844
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 6: off and step into the sunlight for real. But I

845
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 6: think that, you know, just like we said, just to reiterate,

846
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 6: I think the Cowboys are moving in a better way.

847
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 3: I think they learned some lessons.

848
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, and man, if if you've seen anything on social

849
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 4: media from the Cowboys recently, George Pickens is still hanging out.

850
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: With all the Yeah, he and CD Lamb chill.

851
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 4: You hanging out working out on every CD on the

852
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: boat this morning. Yeah, like he was in Italy things.

853
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: George Wood I saw a picture of I think him

854
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: and George. He and George.

855
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 5: It was watered behind them or whatever. But to your point, man, yeah,

856
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 5: CD and George and George.

857
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: You know there wasn't no Brandon.

858
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 4: Brandon Brandon anyway. Second break, when do we come back?

859
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 4: We are gonna grade at what the Cowboys offense and

860
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 4: defense look like at this point in the off season.

861
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 4: As if it's Madden. We're gonna give our zero through

862
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 4: ninety nine Madden grade of the Cowboys offense Cowboys defense

863
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 4: as it stands right now. More talking Cowboys right after this.

864
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,520
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865
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,960
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Speaker 4: of the show when it comes to the offseason so far,

912
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 4: I just kind of want to get a baseline of

913
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 4: where you guys think this team is at the moment.

914
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 4: And the best way I thought of doing that is,

915
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 4: let's grade it like we're grading Matten.

916
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: Let's do it.

917
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 4: Everybody plays Madden, Anthony, you play a little bit of

918
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 4: Mad Yes, did you win? He turned the game off.

919
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 4: You got a rage quitter. Oh man, that's okay. We'll

920
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 4: get back at You'll get to finish it soon. But

921
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 4: when it comes to Madden, of course, it's zero to

922
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 4: ninety nine. And then I want to get you to

923
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 4: after you get me the grade, give me a plus

924
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 4: or minus. What are they up or down from your

925
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 4: thought process from last year?

926
00:40:59,520 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 5: Overall?

927
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 4: In Madden right now, according to some random website online,

928
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 4: they are an eighty one overall as Cowboys are an

929
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 4: eighty one as a team. Okay, so just as that reference,

930
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 4: what would you grade the offense?

931
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: Well, I think the offense is carrying that eighty one.

932
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 5: So I think the offense, you keep George Pickens in

933
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 5: the building, you're going to get from the tight end position.

934
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 5: You would hope to get another step forward from Jake Ferguson.

935
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 5: I believe you will get another step forward from Breven

936
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 5: Span four, so I think you'll be more than solid

937
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 5: at tight end. Running back Javonte you got him locked

938
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 5: in Jaydon Blue.

939
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: Hopefully he takes strides. Phil Maffa. He's back. They're ready

940
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: to compete as well.

941
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 5: I still think there's something to be done behind Javante,

942
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 5: but we'll talk about that in another time.

943
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: Quarterback that's in the bag.

944
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 5: My concern is the offensive line, not Tyler Booker, Cooper Bebe,

945
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 5: not Tyler Smith. Terrence Steele is more than solid as

946
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 5: a starter, struggles in certain situations. Tyler Smith, Tyler Guting,

947
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, can't stay on the field. Offensive line takes

948
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 5: them down. I'm going to give them, man, I'm gonna

949
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 5: give this offense. They can put up points, man, I'll

950
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 5: be I'll be midest.

951
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 1: Let's give them an eighty five. Eighty five, eighty five.

952
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 4: That's lower than I thought you would go.

953
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 5: They're capable of being in the nineties. But every week

954
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 5: we didn't see them, you know, be a ninety two,

955
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 5: ninety three overall rated offense. Every week we've seen them

956
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 5: be a ninety five rated offense. Here and there, But

957
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 5: we've also seen where they're you know, two whole quarters

958
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 5: that they can't string together a touchdown and red zone issues,

959
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 5: things like so eighty five, what.

960
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: Would be that?

961
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 4: What would that be? Plus or minus? From the end

962
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 4: of last year, they haven't really done much.

963
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 5: Not right, because wide receivers still intact, tight end is

964
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 5: still intact. Davonte's lockdown so still intact. Not been much

965
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 5: Changey's not been much change. Your offensive line are seeing

966
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 5: some pieces move, but not at a quarterback. Yeah, but

967
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 5: QB two, it's a QB two battle, right, it's not

968
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 5: much different from last year.

969
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: So I think it's even. Yes, did they break even?

970
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 6: I'll give it even, and then I'll say their score

971
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 6: being I mean, he hit nail on the head with

972
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 6: everything offensive line is the only true question. I like

973
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 6: MafA being back into the fold because what I saw

974
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 6: from him last year in the preseason, I thought that

975
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 6: he played behind his pass and when you look at

976
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 6: him and Javonte both running downhill, they got some two

977
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 6: punishing backs like that, but with the offensive line having

978
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 6: a question at at the tackle position was still and

979
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 6: I'm gonna say I give him, I give him eighty six.

980
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: I go one point above.

981
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: But he did the prices right thing.

982
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 6: But so far this offseason, I think they're just it's

983
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 6: still even from what they did last year. Like I

984
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 6: can't say I can't give him a check, can't give

985
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 6: him minus. I think they're right there in the middle of.

986
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 4: I was gonna think, or at least my thought was

987
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 4: eighty seven. Okay, I mean you've got Now you do

988
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 4: the prices, You've got two of the best wide receivers

989
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 4: in football, assuming George Pickens plays on the tag or

990
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 4: gets a deal done right where I still think and

991
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 4: believe that he's going to be here. So you have

992
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 4: two of those guys. You have a Pro Bowl caliber

993
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 4: tight end in Jake Ferguson, not that he really was

994
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 4: a Pro Bowl season in twenty twenty five, even though

995
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 4: he got the nod for it. I think he's Pro

996
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 4: Bowl caliber. Going back to twenty twenty three, we saw

997
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 4: bits and pieces of that. I just want to see

998
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 4: more consistency. And right now, your quarterback could be argued

999
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 4: to be a top five quarterback in the NFL top

1000
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 4: seven if you really want to argue, he's one of

1001
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 4: the top quarterbacks in the NFL. And anytime you have

1002
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 4: that you've got a shot, So I would say eighty seven.

1003
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 4: And it also I think it'll really flip when we

1004
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 4: talk about the defensive side. If they're an eighty one

1005
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 4: overall as a team, and if we believe that or not,

1006
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 4: if they're an eighty one overall, that's kind of a

1007
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 4: mid level team. That means if they're in eighty seven

1008
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 4: and you wanted to hit the median on the opposite side,

1009
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 4: the defense would be a seventy four, which I think

1010
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 4: sounds right in my opinion. Right, I'm a little bit

1011
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 4: lower than yeah, because sorry, seventy four, seventy five what

1012
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 4: it may even be lower than that.

1013
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 5: So I was my thought, I wouldn't I wouldn't have them.

1014
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have them at eighty one overall in the

1015
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 5: first place. So the team, yeah, because I would give

1016
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 5: the eighty five to the offense, but the defense, it's

1017
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 5: kind of twofold.

1018
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: Number one.

1019
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 5: You were abysmal last season, like franchise worst last season. Absolutely,

1020
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 5: you made changes, clean house for the most part, Christian

1021
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 5: Parker and Sadera and all these guys coming in, Ryan

1022
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 5: Smith and Derek Ansley, markut Dixon.

1023
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: I think you got the right coaching step.

1024
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 5: And then you look at the players we just let

1025
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 5: off the show talking about they have needs at linebacker,

1026
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 5: huge glaring hole there, they have needs at cornerback. Trying

1027
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 5: to figure that out. So did you take a step

1028
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 5: back at cornerback? Did you take a step back at linebacker?

1029
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 5: Or did you take a step forward? All of this

1030
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 5: gets jumbled in my head and at the end of

1031
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 5: the day for the defense, I spit out a sixty nine. Wow,

1032
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 5: I spit out a site right now. Pause because yeah,

1033
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 5: right now, right now, I haven't seen this new defense yet.

1034
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 5: All I've seen is the guys come in. I've seen them.

1035
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 5: Who's been hired. I've seen who's been signed, I see

1036
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 5: who's been resigned, and I see it and compare that

1037
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 5: against what I know from film from last year, which

1038
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 5: is all I have, Because what's the science. The science

1039
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 5: is the data that's in front of you. So based

1040
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 5: on the data in front of me, is A sixty nine?

1041
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: Now?

1042
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 5: Can this new look defense go out address a couple

1043
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 5: positions in the draft? Cornerback, maybe safety, you know, see

1044
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 5: how things go there? And edge rusher in twenty twenty six?

1045
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 5: Can they be capable of matching serve with the offense

1046
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 5: in eighty five and eighty five, giving you an eighty.

1047
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: Five overall, Yes, you can.

1048
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 5: I believe that they have the potential to do so,

1049
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 5: but it's not happened, and until it happened, I'm not

1050
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 5: going to give you credit for it happening.

1051
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: So I'm going to drop you right below seventy.

1052
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 3: You know they're definitely sick. I give him sixty five.

1053
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 6: You know what the Cowboys have been able to do,

1054
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 6: And we talked about Dave Addison depth.

1055
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 3: They brought some guys in.

1056
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 6: I think Rashaun Garry is a great addition to the team,

1057
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 6: but when you look at structurally, we still got to get.

1058
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: Some pass rush.

1059
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 6: And I'm not taking anything away from his pass rush,

1060
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 6: but he's never been a double digit pass rush guy,

1061
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 6: all right, And so as I look at elite pass rushers,

1062
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 6: I'm looking at dudes ten plus eleven plus sacks a year,

1063
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. And so that being said,

1064
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 6: I think you're still gonna have to get another rusher.

1065
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 6: You're still gonna have to find somebody else to bring

1066
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 6: some pressure, all right. Like we talked about already, that

1067
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 6: linebacker situation. If you don't feel that gap man, you don't. Yeah,

1068
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 6: that's one of the most glaring holes. The secondary was

1069
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 6: atrocious last year, but it all starts. You had one

1070
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 6: level that was basically playing at the elite level, and

1071
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 6: that was the first level. Those next two levels behind there.

1072
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 6: They got to get fixed up and we got to

1073
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 6: get some new guys in here. So that being said,

1074
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 6: the depth that they've added in the offseason, you know, like,

1075
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 6: I definitely give them a plus on that. But as

1076
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 6: far as moving ahead, like, just like you said, the

1077
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 6: proof is in the pudding and we haven't seen it

1078
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 6: proven yet. So all these names, all these new adjustments

1079
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 6: and everything else like that, and we hope that it

1080
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 6: messes together immediately. But sometimes, you know, there are some

1081
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 6: growing pains with transition. I think there probably will, you know, so,

1082
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 6: but I'm looking forward to I'm not looking at the

1083
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 6: I'm not expecting them to have a lot of drop

1084
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 6: off and be worse than they were last year. I'm

1085
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 6: not saying that at all. But just are they above

1086
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 6: seventy No, not at all. They weren't last year.

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Speaker 1: Can they be? Absolutely they can be, but show us.

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Speaker 4: I think pre bye week last year, I would have

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Speaker 4: put them at a sixty five like right where you

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00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 4: are just the worst defense that we've seen in quite

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Speaker 4: some time, and I would love to see anybody argue

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Speaker 4: anything higher than a sixty five. I think they got

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Speaker 4: better at the trade deadline when they traded for Quinn Woods.

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Speaker 1: At Quinning plus ca, it's.

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Speaker 4: Your best player on defense moves you to a sixty

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Speaker 4: eight six, sixty eight, sixty nine. So if that's the case,

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Speaker 4: I had him at sixty eight in my head. And

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Speaker 4: then I like Jalen Thompson, I like Rashaan Gary. Are

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Speaker 4: they the overall high level additions. No, not really, but

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Speaker 4: they're starters that are going to contribute and that are

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Speaker 4: gonna be good thing.

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Speaker 1: JA will be level.

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Speaker 5: He might be again, I haven't seen it fair, that's fair.

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Speaker 5: I just feel like that's the I agree.

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Speaker 4: I think he's one of the most underrated signings in

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Speaker 4: the NFL this year because of the fit, because of

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Speaker 4: the the ability, because of his versatility, all of that.

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Speaker 4: When it comes to the defense as a whole, though,

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Speaker 4: I like some of the depth that they've added. I

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Speaker 4: like some of the additions they've added, but does it

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Speaker 4: get it above a seventy five in my book? Absolutely

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Speaker 4: not so. At the end of the year, I would

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Speaker 4: have put him at like a sixty eight. I think

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Speaker 4: they're plus three or four in my mind. I think

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Speaker 4: they're probably different plus now. No, that's but that's that's

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Speaker 4: kind of the exercise that we're doing, is what are

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Speaker 4: they right now?

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Speaker 5: I give them plus four from sixty five? They say

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Speaker 5: sixty five last year plus four with the changes I had.

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Speaker 4: I had them in a sixty eight at the end

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Speaker 4: of the year because I thought they played better as

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Speaker 4: the year went on. Were they still good? No, they're

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Speaker 4: not saying better as the year went on? Yeah, fair,

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, yeah, you got railroaded by Detroit.

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Speaker 4: I'm not counting the final game against Washington like that

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Speaker 4: doesn't really count or the Giants, excuse me, in the

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Speaker 4: final game that doesn't really count. That was trying to

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Speaker 4: make some match different players and stuff like that. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: you moved Maddie Refluse into a box position to try

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Speaker 4: and push him out of the way and see what

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Speaker 4: was happening on the sideline to see if that would help.

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Speaker 4: They weren't playing great, but I don't think they were

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Speaker 4: playing as poorly as they were prior to the bye week.

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Speaker 4: And that's where you get into the conversation of are

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Speaker 4: they around seventy now seventy one to seventy two? I

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Speaker 4: think they are, but they haven't made the big splash

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Speaker 4: to put them in the upper seventies and get closer.

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Speaker 3: To that off.

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Speaker 5: Ask me again, week five, Ask me this question again

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Speaker 5: week five.

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Speaker 3: So seventies is still considered to.

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Speaker 1: See right, yep, so nowadays?

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Speaker 3: So you think they got to sea.

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Speaker 4: Level defense on paper?

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Speaker 3: Right now? I agree?

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00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, on paper, we still got to see it.

1147
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely got to see it.

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Speaker 4: No fun intended, no see no see.

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Speaker 1: Sorry real quick, because I feel like you're about to

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Speaker 1: end the show.

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00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 4: We caught your tone.

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Speaker 5: Just I want to give a shout out to everyone

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Speaker 5: who showed love in the chat and on Twitter today

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Speaker 5: with me returning to the show and the building. Shouts

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Speaker 5: out to Gregory, shouts out to Joshua and everyone Eric.

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Speaker 5: Just love you guys. Thanks for I see all the

1157
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Speaker 5: well wishes. I've been seeing them over the past several days.

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Speaker 5: Trust me, I heart as many as I can. I

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Speaker 5: try not to ignore any you know through this path.

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Speaker 5: I'm day seven postop and I've been sitting here for

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Speaker 5: forty eight minutes with this.

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Speaker 1: Brace and it's killing me. So we're all going to

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Speaker 1: wrap this up.

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Speaker 5: I do it for the people, I do it for

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Speaker 5: my co hosts, and I do it for the family.

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Speaker 1: So happy to be back. Thank y'all for the love,

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Speaker 1: and let's get to it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I appreciate you being back and happy it all

1169
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Speaker 4: went well. Happy you're back in the building. I'm gonna

1170
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Speaker 4: have to carry you out of here now over there,

1171
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Speaker 4: that's good. Yeah, I got you. Don't worry about it.

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Speaker 4: Ad appreciate your feeling in for having me. It's been great.

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Speaker 4: Be sure to check him out on the player's lounge

1174
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Speaker 4: when you get the opportunity. Awesome stuff with he Barry

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Speaker 4: church New He shrugs. That whole crew there, they do

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Speaker 4: an awesome job. That does it for us for Patrick

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Speaker 4: Nosey Walker, Anthony Dorsett, Paul Bestitas in the back of

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Speaker 4: Kyle Yeoman saying so long from Talking Cowboys, will see

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Speaker 4: you next week.

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