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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he is

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Speaker 3: the Matt Williamson and Matt Today Thursday, as expected, Colorado

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Speaker 3: quarterback Shador Sanders visited the Steelers, as did pit safety

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Speaker 3: Donovan McMillan. That's a local visit, right, yeah, yeah, so

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Speaker 3: they get that one for free, so why not and

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Speaker 3: Sanders is you know, they about the I don't know,

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Speaker 3: fourth or fifth quarterback who has come in Yeah, yeah

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Speaker 3: for a visit, or they even more that they've gone

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Speaker 3: to the pro days and things of that nature. They're

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Speaker 3: doing the due diligence on the quarterback class.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, i'd even say more than that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean not every year do they bring in pretty

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Speaker 1: much all the top dudes not named cam Ward, you know,

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Speaker 3: Not just the top. They've they've gone through all the dudes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, like you're going you know, first round guys,

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Speaker 1: In early darts on the list. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: think you said McCord is on the list. Dart was here,

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Speaker 1: Dart was here. Okay, okay, you think the cords scheduled

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Speaker 1: or something is scheduled. If that happens, they took Mill

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Speaker 1: Road to dinner. Yeah, I mean, so they're they're in

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Speaker 1: on all these guys. They saw Howard at the Ohio

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Speaker 1: State Pro Day. They yeah, yeah, they've they're they they're

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Speaker 1: dialed in for sure. They're looking and they should. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there is a quarterback need you know, a young quarterback need?

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Speaker 1: I mean, right now you have Rudolph. I'm still operating

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Speaker 1: under the assumption Aaron Rodgers will be a Steeler one

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Speaker 1: of these days. But if not, I'm sure cousins or

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Speaker 1: car somebody else will be. But certainly they're gonna need

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Speaker 1: to get a young one this year or next year.

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Speaker 1: I think next year makes a lot more sense. But

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Speaker 1: there's a price for everybody. And I do find it

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Speaker 1: interesting that Shador just through looking at her through his eyes,

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Speaker 1: like when this process started a couple of months.

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Speaker 3: Ago, he only wanted to I talked to you. I

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're a top five pick, so maybe you

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Speaker 1: know you know, And now it's like I'm getting a

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Speaker 1: little nervous here. He wants to talk to me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking for a job here. So I do think

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Speaker 1: But I do think the draft sets up to be

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Speaker 1: was hoping the Browns or the Giants, especially the Browns

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Speaker 1: but it also would have I don't think that's going

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Speaker 1: lot of Brown's and Giants aggression to get back for

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Speaker 1: the Darts and Sanders or Chuck Milroth got a ton

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Speaker 1: they're so ownership ribbon, get the stink out of the Watson,

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Speaker 1: no matter what it costs, whether it's good business or not,

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Speaker 1: people be pretty excited in Cleveland, you know, and hey,

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Speaker 1: they got the picks to do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I don't know how high up they

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Speaker 3: would have to go to do it. I saw a

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Speaker 3: mock draft I can't remember who did it. Was that

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Speaker 3: the one that Dane did Brugler where he had them

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Speaker 1: I sent you one from mcshay's. Both Giant Browns traded

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Speaker 1: back into round one, which I think again, I think

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Speaker 1: ownership putting a lot of pressure on these teams to

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Speaker 3: Know that's again if you're looking at next year for

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the time to do it. People know,

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Speaker 1: My problem with Sanders and Dart is I don't think

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Speaker 3: Well, here's one of the issues I have with a

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Speaker 3: And then you know, Sanders, while he did play in

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Ben Roethlisberg or like fashion. That worries me too.

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Speaker 1: And what I like about Sanders game is he is

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Speaker 1: you know. And they didn't. They didn't protect well. So

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Speaker 1: the ball came out quick a lot. But when it didn't,

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Speaker 1: you got a lot of sacks. And they were a

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean you're begging for sacks. So there's

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Speaker 1: a lot that I have. I don't think he's a

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Speaker 1: high enough ceiling and darts the same way with you.

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Speaker 3: You took that swing already with Kenny Pickett, And even

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Speaker 3: when they took Kenny Pickett, all along pretty consistently said that,

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Speaker 1: That's a thing. Yeah. And oh, by the way, the

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Speaker 1: alone year to year divisional basis isn't fun.

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Speaker 3: Well just look, I mean their last three playoff losses.

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Speaker 1: That's who. That's who you've lost to in the player

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Speaker 1: any possible way that we can get that guy in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's got to be a the depth. You're

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Speaker 3: not going to get the number one probably not right

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Speaker 3: Three or four quarterbacks in next year's draft, yeah you

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Speaker 1: But even if like the Browns or Giants trade up

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Speaker 1: That's different world.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not going to settle for a lead off

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a good start, it's not the start.

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have an average starter, right again, I just

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Speaker 3: Two or three years from now. Cam Hayward's retired, right yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm not interested in two or three years and now

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Speaker 1: I want to win now, and I want a guy that,

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Speaker 1: when they're long gone, can be Ben Roethlisberger and put

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Speaker 1: for the next fifteen years.

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Speaker 3: Because I'm gonna lose those two corner pieces, lose everything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm hoping this guy last outlass outlast

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Speaker 3: Right, I'm trying to build that.

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Speaker 1: I want to play over a decade. A.

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Speaker 3: I want that next cornerstone. I'm like, d yes, if

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Speaker 3: I can get that at twenty one this year, which defensively, this.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

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Speaker 3: And we are back. I'm Dale, Lolli. He is the

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Speaker 3: This once again, somebody ripping us for some Graham stuff.

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Speaker 3: That's that all the draft pundits and all the NFL

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Speaker 1: you more healing time.

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Speaker 3: But I guess the medical rechecks in Indiana Napolis for today.

433
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, so all the we shol probably explain that

434
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,880
Speaker 1: a little bit, like if you get flagged in Indie,

435
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,119
Speaker 1: they basically tell you we're going to invite ten twenty.

436
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how many.

437
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 3: It was a month ago.

438
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Speaker 1: It was a month ago.

439
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,160
Speaker 3: So now you get to come back a month later

440
00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,479
Speaker 3: and they check and see where you're at in your

441
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Speaker 3: healing pro.

442
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,159
Speaker 1: And I don't think all thirty two teams send a

443
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Speaker 1: doctor to that. I think they just share information. Maybe

444
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:22,679
Speaker 1: they do. I don't know.

445
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,399
Speaker 3: I would want to have somebody there. I would do

446
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:25,919
Speaker 3: at least my you know, I would have my at

447
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 3: least my trainers there to take a look someone I trust, right,

448
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,679
Speaker 3: somebody who's can relay the inform I don't know if

449
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,959
Speaker 3: I need my doctors there, but I want my at

450
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 3: least my trainers there that can then send the information

451
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Speaker 3: back to my doctors. And yeah, I didn't know who

452
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,760
Speaker 3: actually does the checks in terms of what doctor staff,

453
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 3: but yeah, I guess it's it'd be smart to have

454
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 3: someone from every team, you know, anybody like hiding information.

455
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 3: They don't want John stalwarth this thing, right, somebody the tape,

456
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,400
Speaker 3: and plus everyone deciphers these things different, right, that's here's

457
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:57,120
Speaker 3: the knee information. Team doctor one says, don't live with that. Yeah, yeah,

458
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,159
Speaker 3: right right, and Team doctor two says, that's why you

459
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Speaker 3: get second opinions.

460
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 1: On snow right, these aren't you know? In Stone he

461
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 1: has Travis Hunter number two. I wonder if there is

462
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 1: a list of who was there today. I bet that's

463
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 1: hard to find. It's probably, yeah, he probably have a

464
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 1: pretty good idea. If they haven't done any workouts yet,

465
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 1: something from one of the teams. It might have to

466
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 1: give us that.

467
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 3: Ashton gent three, who is to Travis. Yeah, okay, here's

468
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,120
Speaker 3: Mason Graham four bumping him up a spot.

469
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 1: Fine. I'm not sure who four should be. I just

470
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 1: will say problem with this draft. That's my thing is

471
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: most years, there's no way he's four. Yeah, yeah, he's

472
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 1: not over like Marvin Harrison junior last year. That's even what.

473
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 3: So here's here's what that at home rights the draft's

474
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 3: best three technique. Although Graham's shorter arms thirty two inches

475
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 3: and some three hundred pound frame are reasons to worry.

476
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 3: I don't think he's a typical top five prospect, but

477
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 3: he lands here in this draft class that isn't overwhelming

478
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 3: with blue chip talent.

479
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a bad year to pick four

480
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: to twelve. Yeah, it's real bad.

481
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 3: You're no man's land.

482
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 1: Like people say, this is a terrible draft. Not all,

483
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 1: but it's a terrible draft to not have a premium

484
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: pick but then be the next bad team.

485
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 3: And here's why, Like, all right, you're gonna get your

486
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 3: choice of the best of everybody.

487
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,120
Speaker 1: Else Membo and Campbell or who are good prospects, sure,

488
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 1: but they're not blue chip prospects that you usually get

489
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 1: picking that high right, right, That's why I think Genti's.

490
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 3: You're not taking them as the last time the last

491
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 3: time the Steelers earned a top to top ten pick

492
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 3: was in two thousand and they're picking you know, they

493
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 3: picked Plexico Buris instead of Brian Urlacker.

494
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was your you know, and that's the

495
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: kind of what you're looking at. Those those are both

496
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 1: blue chip guys and they both were Pro bowlers and

497
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: Lacker goes the Hall of Fame and right, they're a

498
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: big time Like that's what you want picking in the

499
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: top terrorist comes out of this draft. He's the first

500
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 1: year taken. Yeah, I mean, he'd be a consideration four

501
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 1: to the Patriots, right, you know, but they don't have

502
00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: that option.

503
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 3: That's not the option this year. That's not what's available

504
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 3: in this in this draft.

505
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: That so I think Gent's gonna go early. Yeah, At

506
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 1: five he upp a spot. He has Jlen Walker there.

507
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: They're sure sounds like a lot of buzz that he's

508
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 1: going to go really high, But there aren't many people

509
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: his size that get double digit sacks every year. This

510
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: is true.

511
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 3: At six down two spots is Tyler Warren the Penn

512
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 3: State tight end.

513
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: Fine with it. I think he's similar to a Bowers level,

514
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: but I would rather out of a higher grade on Bowers.

515
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 3: He has armand Membo and Will Campbell. At seven and eight,

516
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 3: the two offensive tackles, no real shocks yet, and again

517
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 3: they wouldn't have been either. One of those guys would

518
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 3: be in the top five tackles from last year's draft.

519
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: No, I don't know if you read that much of

520
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: the Beast. I'd just been scanning it. But he mentioned

521
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: Dane mentioned that Membo has a lot of tan who

522
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: can you know, similarities like initial quickness, decent army and he's.

523
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 3: Only played right tackle that Atlayed had played left tack he.

524
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: Would go ahead of both these dudes. Yeah, he would.

525
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 3: At nine. He has Will Johnson, the cornerback from Michigan. Yeah,

526
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 3: that workout is coming April fourteenth.

527
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 1: I have a real problem with how he played this year, though,

528
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: the more work I've done on him, He's preserving his

529
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: body a lot and turning down tack. He made some

530
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: business issues, yeah, and some of his injuries. Would he

531
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: have played through last year's tape was awesome or the

532
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three tape was really good.

533
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 3: At teny as cam Ward, He's going.

534
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: To would have him higher just because I think he's

535
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: a top five pick any year he comes out where

536
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: these other dudes aren't. Uh.

537
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 3: Eleven is Colston Loveland to tight end out of Michigan.

538
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: I think both both the tight ends are really solid prospects,

539
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: are high quality dudes.

540
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 3: Twelve is Teed McMillan, the Arizona wide receiver.

541
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: That's his first receiver though.

542
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 3: Thirteen up, four spots is mikel Williams.

543
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: He had rusher out of your JA. I wonder how

544
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: injured he was. I mean that'd be a great answer.

545
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't test as well as you thought he

546
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 3: was going to be freaky. Fourteen is Matthew Golden, wide

547
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 3: receiver out of Texas. Fifteen is Shamar Stewart the Texas

548
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 3: A and m ag rusher.

549
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: Like would you take Stuart or Williams. Neither are gonna

550
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: be Steelers. I mean those two edge guys, Michael Williams.

551
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: Michael Williams better football player. It's a better foot yeah, yeah,

552
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 1: not by a lot, right, right, right, yeah, I mean

553
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: you're projecting a lot of projecting a lot of projection.

554
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: It's sixteen down three spots. Is Mike Green the edge

555
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: rusher out of Marshall. If he's clean, I bet he

556
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: goes higher than that.

557
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's some stuff in his background.

558
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: Well, I mean he even addressed it. He was accused

559
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: of sexual assault twice, one in high school, one at

560
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: his first college I think it was Virginia. Yeah, and

561
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 1: he went to the podium and said, yeah, that's what happened.

562
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't either, right, right, but teams will

563
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 1: know all about it.

564
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 3: Seventeen up a spot is Tyler Booker, the guard one.

565
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: I think it's pure guards, the pure guarden. And he's

566
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: such style. Yeah, right, with all the outside zone stuff,

567
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't fit that. At eighteen, I think he's gonna

568
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: be the Ravens first round pick. Maybe that's a their

569
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: type of move.

570
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 3: Up eleven spots, John ay Barron.

571
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean he's more zone than man, but he does

572
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: a lot of things. Well, yeah, it takes the ball away. Yeah,

573
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if he busts.

574
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 3: At nineteen Up three spots. Derek Harmon.

575
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: It does seem to be a little more.

576
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 3: He's got the prototypical size.

577
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: The length helps yeah yeah, yeah. At twenty hard to

578
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: wonder if I would take Harmon over Grant just because

579
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: it's easier to find. No, I mean, just how the

580
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: rest of.

581
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 3: The rest of the draft. Twenty down four spots is

582
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 3: Malachi Starks, safety out of Georgia. Yeah, you think he's

583
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 3: pretty safe. At twenty one down a spot is je

584
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 3: Hud Campbell, the Alabama linebacker. At twenty two down three

585
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: spots is Calvin Banks, the offensive lineman out of Texas.

586
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: Found it interesting that Dane put him in the guards. Yeah,

587
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: it could be he could be at twenty but Jackson

588
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: with the tackles Don Jackson. Twenty three down two spots

589
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: is Nick Muari, the safety out of South Carolina. You

590
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: think he goes ahead of Starks.

591
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 3: I just think I think guys who've shown that they

592
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 3: can play the deep middle like that are more valuable.

593
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: Than I just wonder.

594
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, his freaky that's on who needs what? Ye, that's

595
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 3: a big part of it. At twenty four down a

596
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 3: spot is Donovan Azerreku, the Boston College edge rusher.

597
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: He seems pretty safe too. I'm not sure what negatives

598
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: we got on that he's.

599
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 3: Not huge variety of pass rushman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Twenty

600
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 3: five up a spot is Luther Burden, the wide receiver

601
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 3: at of Missouri.

602
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: You hear a lot of stuff with him too, Not

603
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: that he's yeah into jail or anything, but he's about

604
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: himself and Yeah, not easy to be around. You know

605
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: a lot of receivers like that. Yeah, I say he

606
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the first year right now, Fisher, you know

607
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: at twenty six up seven spots, Walter Nolan, the defensive

608
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: tackle out of Mississippi, He's moved, He's moved down, He's moved. Yeah.

609
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: I just feel like there's misinformation out there or somebody's playing.

610
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 3: I think that's what was going on with Walter Nolan

611
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 3: is that early in the process, a lot of people

612
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 3: were looking, Okay, it's a really good player, and then

613
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 3: you heard, well there's some off the field stuff, and

614
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: so people started moving him down.

615
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: That was like he's been at five schools in six years,

616
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: going back to high school. Okay, he was a lot

617
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: of guys have done that. I mean he's also made

618
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: if Paramount Dart did that, yeah, right right, Like we

619
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: were talking about Nolan the day on my podcast and

620
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: I threw out there, I'm like, well Rob Gronkowski grew

621
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: up in Buffalo but moved to Woodland Hills for his

622
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, to get exposed, you know, I mean,

623
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: like changing high schools. It's not like it It's not

624
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: like the Bengals re Stiver from BAM MCT Burton. Yeah,

625
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: I mean he wasn't getting kicked out of schools and

626
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: kick out as different as way different.

627
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: And Nolan left Texas A and M when their defensive

628
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: line coach got fired.

629
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they didn't like, say you got to go right.

630
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: I mean he said, oh you're firing the coach, I'm

631
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: going to go somewhere.

632
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: And in today's world, if you're the top recruit in

633
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: the country, I mean he's making money for a while now. Yeah,

634
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: he's like a yours or I mean serious money.

635
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: Twenty seven down, two spots is James Pierce. He's won

636
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: to Tennessee.

637
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: It happened to bring this up because were talking about

638
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: Nolan versus Pierce character wise, and we were talking about

639
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: Green today too, and it sounds like nobody likes Pierce,

640
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: you know, like he just is in his apartment by himself.

641
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: Like he sounds like he's highly unlikable, not that he's

642
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: a bad guy, but like no one wants to be

643
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: his teammate.

644
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 3: Okay, you know, I mean the tape is good and

645
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: he's smooth at twenty eight down, four spots, Kenneth Grant.

646
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: That's about right. Yeah, Sometimes see him like forty forty five.

647
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: I don't unders do that. Yeah, I don't understand that.

648
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: And again and once you get past that, that top

649
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: five or six, these guys are all gonna have similar grades.

650
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: They are.

651
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 3: They are twenty nine up a spot is a mecca.

652
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: Egbuca will receive right of Ohio State.

653
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: I wonder it's back to the gentee conversation. My teams

654
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: just take safe picks like him, you know, like I

655
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: know I'm not hitting a home run this year. I

656
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: always be happy with him.

657
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 3: Egbuka's game is clean, consistent, and well rounded. I think

658
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 3: he'd be a perfect fit as a Tyler Boyd like

659
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 3: slot weapon and number three option, taking that in the

660
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: first round. Right, No, I think he's better than that.

661
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,959
Speaker 3: I mean that's but right, he's not. He's never going

662
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: to be a number one. He was never a number

663
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 3: one in college.

664
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: No, right, right?

665
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 3: Agree At thirty down three spots. Josh Simmons, the offensive

666
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: tackle of Ohio State. We'll see how the.

667
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: Medical recess information out there.

668
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: Thirty one down three spots. So Marion Hampton, running back

669
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,479
Speaker 3: out of North Carolina solid. Thirty two down a spot.

670
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 3: Maxwell Harriston the cornerback out of Kentucky.

671
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: Just looking at him a little more yesterday too, and

672
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: you know who John Ledgard did. Yeah, he compared him

673
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: to Jackson, who was a Steeler last year. Not in

674
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: a good way necessarily. I mean he's really fast. He

675
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: flies around the field, but he's just not missing tackles

676
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: and bounces off things and sometimes gets run over in

677
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 1: the run game. And that's what he is.

678
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a cover cornerback.

679
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

680
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: At thirty three.

681
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: Said that, I'm like, oh, that's exactly who he is. Yeah.

682
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: Thirty three up two spots is Shdor Sanders.

683
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: I may even have him earlier than that. I mean,

684
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: I think he's a starting NFL quarterback.

685
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 3: At thirty four, holding steady, Josh Connerley, the offensive tackle

686
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: of Oregon.

687
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: He's one that could go a lot higher than you think. Amazing,

688
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: he's an athlete. Yeah.

689
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: Thirty five down three spots is grays Abel, the offensive

690
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: lineman from North Dakota State. Interior offensive lineman.

691
00:31:59,080 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

692
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 3: Thirty six up two spots.

693
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: J T.

694
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 3: Twomloa the it's pretty early edge rusher out of Ohio State.

695
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: Thirty seven down a spot is Donovan Jackson, the Ohio

696
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 3: State offensive lineman.

697
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: Okay, a lot offensive, A lot of Ohio State guys

698
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: are well represented after winning national title.

699
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: At thirty eight down a spot is Mason Taylor, the

700
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: tight end U of LSU.

701
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 1: I think he's safe too. Yeah. Thirty nine is Landon Jackson,

702
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: the edge rusher out of Arkansas. I can see people

703
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: all over the board on him too. Yeah. I mean

704
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what he'd even do here, but some

705
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: teams are be like, sign me up. He's a four

706
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: to three defensive end all day. Yeah.

707
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, forty and that doesn't fit this scheme folkus

708
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 3: not so much. Up three spots is Trevon Henderson, the

709
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 3: Ohio State running back.

710
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

711
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 3: Forty one is Chavon Revel Junior, the East Carolina cornerback.

712
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if you'll know any more about him

713
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: or not.

714
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: He probably goes somewhere early in day two. Yeah, just

715
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: because I can't use a first round pick on a

716
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: guy come off in ACL, but I can use a

717
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: second round pick on him.

718
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: That could be a number one corner possibly, right. Yeah.

719
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 3: Forty two is tay Leek Williams, the defensive tackle from

720
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: Ohio State. I'm a big fan, and they said his

721
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 3: h he pulled up blame at the Ohio State Pro Day.

722
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: They they're saying that it was a cramp.

723
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: Okay, so fair enough. He's one that if the steels

724
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: traded down pretty heavy, like out of the first round,

725
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: and that was my first pick, I'd understand. Now, cool

726
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 1: with it, right. Forty three is Carson Sweasinger. He has

727
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: a chance to sneak in the first linebackers are top.

728
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: That's real tough.

729
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 3: Forty four is Jackson Dart.

730
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: That's about right. I mean again, if I used a

731
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: mid second rounder on him and sat him for a year, okay,

732
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean that's cool, But the middle of the first round. Yeah.

733
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:50,719
Speaker 3: Uh.

734
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: And here's what he says about him.

735
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 3: There's plenty of round one buzz building mock draft in

736
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 3: the mock draft building world for Dart, who's always who

737
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 3: has an above average arm, good but not great athleticism

738
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 3: in a decent frame. I'm always just left wanting to

739
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 3: see a little bit more anticipation in big plays out

740
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: of structure on tape. He could be a starter in

741
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 3: a year or two.

742
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: Really bad deep passer. Yeah, I mean like he has tools,

743
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: but they're all B minus tools. I mean, none of them.

744
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: I mean he's good across the board physically, but I

745
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: don't see any great trait. Forty five is Jack Sawyer.

746
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: That's overrated.

747
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: Forty six is Nick Scourton. I'd have Scourton over yeah, yeah, yeah.

748
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: Forty seven down six spots is azerie A Thomas.

749
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: I assume he dingdam because of his forty He plays

750
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: slow too. I mean he ran four to six at

751
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: a pro day, yeah, which is probably a four to

752
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: six five right.

753
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 3: Forty eight down nine spots is Caleb Johnson, the running

754
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: back out of.

755
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: I bet he's gonna be good, yeah, like go to

756
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: two Pro Bowls and have a good career.

757
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 3: You know the problem with the Iowa running backs and

758
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 3: the same thing you don't see any Iowa receivers in

759
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 3: this draft. They don't throw the football.

760
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, a certain sign. I don't know if he can

761
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: pass block. I don't know if he can catch the

762
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: ball out of the Backfield's a great point, right, Like

763
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: they just don't do it. This is on tape. Yeah.

764
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,959
Speaker 3: Forty nine up three spots is Arianta Urser, the offensive tackle.

765
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: Wonder he was higher than you think too. I could

766
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: see him going big athlete. I could see him going

767
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: early round two. Yeah, Like, if he goes the top

768
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 1: five picks in the first round and the second round,

769
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I understand.

770
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 3: And then fifty is Benjamin Morrison, the Notre Dame cornerback.

771
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 3: He's working out April twenty first.

772
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 1: Okay, good, I'm kind of rooting for him.

773
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 3: Trey Amos, who the Steelers had in earlier this week,

774
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 3: the cornerback out of Mississippi, is fifty one. Alfred Collins

775
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 3: up nine spots to fifty three, the defensive tackle out

776
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 3: of Texas.

777
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: I think he's early to mid second round.

778
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: Quin Shawn Judkins, the other Ohio State running back, is

779
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 3: fifty four.

780
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: Let's see who else interesting.

781
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: Jayden Higgins, who the Steelers had in for a visit,

782
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 3: is at fifty eight. The wide receiver out of Iowa State,

783
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 3: Jalen Noel, his teammate, down fourteen spots verse sixty.

784
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: He seems to be gaining steam.

785
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: I would have thought, Yeah, let's see here, who else

786
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 3: was in? We get TJ. Sanders, who we haven't talked

787
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 3: a ton about. He's at sixty three on this list.

788
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: The defensive tackle out of South Carolina.

789
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: In most years, he would be five defensive tackle spots higher.

790
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: Than that. Yeah, he might be your DT five on

791
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: a generic board.

792
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see here. Jaln Milroe comes in at sixty eight.

793
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: I can see people all over the board. I totally

794
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: understand that. You run the shock yet or is he

795
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: below that? He's below that.

796
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: Jalen Royals, the Utah State wide receiver, is at sixty nine.

797
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: That's down eleven spots. Stain at him really high, I

798
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: live or six. I like him as a player too.

799
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: Ousie Trapio, the offensive tackle out of Boston College, might

800
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: be the biggest riser in this whole thing. Well, no,

801
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 3: there's somebody laughter. This up thirteen spots. He didn't have

802
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 3: Isaiah Bond, the Texas wide receiver, in his first top

803
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: one hundred list. He's got him coming in at seventy one.

804
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: So he jumped a bunch.

805
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: He's another one. I think they'll be mixed feelings on

806
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: any what you're looking for. Yeah, you know.

807
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 3: Josh Farmer is at seventy two. The defensive tackle of

808
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 3: Florida State who was in earlier this week. Dylan Sampson,

809
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 3: who visited the Steelers, the running back out of Tennessee.

810
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 3: He is at seventy four.

811
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: I think day at him as his fifth or running back. Yeah,

812
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: real high, good player. Yeah yeah, another one. I see

813
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: a lot of mixed opinions.

814
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 3: On Savion Williams, the TCU wide receiver who was one

815
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: of the early visits for the Steelers. Is it seventy five?

816
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: Weird one?

817
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Darius Alexander falls eight spots to seventy six for

818
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: the Toledo defensive tackle.

819
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: But she was a little younger. Yeah.

820
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 3: Uh elkay Minor, that's one of my visits. Down to

821
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 3: seventy eight, Thank you much.

822
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: The balls ahead of them. Yeah, I'm a big fan.

823
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: Good player. Let's see here.

824
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 3: Tyler Schuck comes in at eighty two.

825
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: He's the next one behind Milra. Yeah yeah, Steelers pick

826
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: at eighty three. Yeah yeah yeah. If you got the

827
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: line in the first round and didn't move around, I'd

828
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: be fine with that. Let's see here. Who else we got.

829
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 3: Jacob Parrish, the k State cornerback, is at eighty six.

830
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: That's another good play spots like he's another one. If

831
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: he's two inches taller, he might be a first rounder.

832
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: Charles Grant, who we take a lot in the fourth round.

833
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: That are mock drafts from William and Mary. The offensive

834
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 3: tackle up ten spots to eighty eight.

835
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: We were talking about him today in the podcast and

836
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: my co host like that, dude's a cheap code, a

837
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: cheap code for getting a discount franchise left tackle. Yeah yeah,

838
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: I mean like he could be really really good.

839
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see here. Ty Robinson, defensive tackle at of

840
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 3: Nebraska comes in at ninety five. He was on rank

841
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: before Noel Williams. We take a lot in our mid

842
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 3: rounds in our mock drafts. The cornerback out of col

843
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 3: False eleven spots to ninety six.

844
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: Gotcha, but yeah.

845
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: And Emery Jones, a guy that we've taken the top

846
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: one hund Yeah, he comes in at ninety eight, the

847
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: offensive lineman out of LSU. We usually get him in

848
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: like this round.

849
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I never understand that that's why we get

850
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: him a bunch. I never. He looks like a fourth

851
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: rounder to me. Yeah.

852
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 3: Cam Scatibo at ninety nine, that's down twelve spots.

853
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: For the running. I think long term their ability is

854
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: just a concern.

855
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: Number one hundred on Eric at Holmes list of saving

856
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 3: on Jones, the defensive lineman from LSU.

857
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: Really interesting, super active, long edge. He might just be

858
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: a four to three end. But he's big enough he

859
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 1: might be able to kick inside that. That's the question

860
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: to me, you know, like, I'd love to see his

861
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: body and do they think I can add ten pounds

862
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: of muscle and can he hold up against tackles and

863
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: do the things we need him to do or is

864
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: he just a you know, attack Edges type of guy

865
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: upfield only? Yeah, gotta figure that out.

866
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: I mean Preston Smith, they used him in that.

867
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, bigger than Smith. He's bigger than Smith,

868
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: longer than Smith, he's better. Smith knew all the tricks. Yeah,

869
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: and he's got some thickness and he's been around the

870
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: block and he's Grunman's strength out of Savon Jones. Oh yeah, yeah,

871
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy. Maybe in a year now

872
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: from now two you could be your inside kick inside

873
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: guy too.

874
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely. But that is Eric ed Holmes list on

875
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: NFL dot com interesting.

876
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: And there wasn't anything too kooky in there.

877
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 3: No, not crazy. There's some guys in there that, yeah,

878
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 3: you know, moving around. And the quarterback rankings were a

879
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 3: little different, a little different.

880
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they weren't too crazy, but they were

881
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: pretty low on all of them. Yeah, including Sanders was

882
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: like thirty one, you know, Dart I think was well

883
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: into the forties something like that.

884
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, so anyways, let's get it wasn't that. Yeah, let's

885
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 3: get through a break. He is the Matt Williamson. I

886
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 3: am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here on

887
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Speaker 3: the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and now will be back

888
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 3: with more right after this.

889
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: At He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

890
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

891
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 2: and Gold Steelers Nation.

892
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: Radio and welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is

893
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: the Matt Williamson. And uh, well, for people who don't know,

894
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: Matt and I never talk about what we're going to

895
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: talk about very rarely.

896
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: It's pretty rare. Sometimes you know what's coming, but you know,

897
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: I just want.

898
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 3: To hit him with something to get his initial reaction.

899
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: All right, let's do it.

900
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: Uh So, let's go five bowld predictions.

901
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: I have to come up with five.

902
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 3: I'm not saying you get, no, you gotta get. You

903
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: don't have to come up with five, okay, And we're

904
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 3: gonna come up with five. Okay, you can start, okay,

905
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: and then we'll go to me and I'll make a

906
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: Bowl prediction and then you make.

907
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: A bull draft stuff you're talking about.

908
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, for the first round of this draft.

909
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: In year two thousand, I want to say something about

910
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks and that they're gonna go higher than you

911
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: think in terms of Okay, I'm gonna say Sanders goes

912
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: before the Saints pick, okay, because I mean, that's obviously

913
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: a potential landing spot. Something happens. I don't know where.

914
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 1: I don't know how where. I can see the Jets

915
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 1: taking him. Yeah, yeah, that's that could be part of it.

916
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: Dart isn't available when the Steelers pick, and Milrod's not

917
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: lasting too long in the green room on Thursday or

918
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: on Friday. Okay, man, I don't think that's too bold.

919
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: But quarterbacks, lets go.

920
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I am going to go out on a

921
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 3: limb and say that three tight ends go in the

922
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: first round.

923
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: Wow, do you think it's Taylor or Taylor goes? I

924
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: could see Kansas City so sneaky, and I think there's

925
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: a really good chance Dallas Goddters get traded. So if

926
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: you move, I mean at thirty one thirty two good

927
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: teams A plug and play son of a Hall of Famer.

928
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: Okay, and I mean you start looking at Kansas City's

929
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 3: pass catchers and you're going, yeah, but if you could

930
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 3: get hey, we can replace Travis Kel's see eventually with

931
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 3: this kid.

932
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: A couple guys that they've taken cracks on aren't going

933
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: to be it. Yeah, just dude, they did.

934
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: Fourth fifth kid has a chanced to be a real star.

935
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I'm a big fan. And he would help

936
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: you when Super Bowl this year too, right. I want

937
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: to do something about when the third receiver comes off

938
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: the board. Okay, I think it might be a while,

939
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: and I'm not even sure Golden and Tech goes super high,

940
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: but I don't think a third one goes in the

941
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: first round. And I bet he slips out of the

942
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: top forty maybe.

943
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 3: Two receivers in the first round.

944
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of a bold prediction in itself,

945
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: and it could be a weight after. Okay, I just

946
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: don't think anyone's super enamored with the receiver group.

947
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: I am going to say that half of the first round,

948
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 3: so sixteen picks in the first round, will be guys

949
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 3: that rush the passer, Okay, half of the first round.

950
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: I mean when you come up there's only like we're

951
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 3: looking at like four defensive tackles, Like right, everybody else

952
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: is going to be edge rusher or defensive end. And

953
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna They're gonna be a premium. Do

954
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 3: you think I think we're saying like twelve of those

955
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: guys are gonna go in the first round.

956
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: We talked to no end about the d tackles. I mean,

957
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: the four you're referring to. I think everybody knows. You know,

958
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 1: do you think they all going Round one?

959
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 3: I think they end up going.

960
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: I think so too. I mean I think like Buffalo.

961
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about a tight end for the Eagles,

962
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: but the Eagles, if Harmon's there, Nolan's there, they're gonna

963
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 1: say things.

964
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: I think you by the time we get to the

965
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 3: middle of the first round, you could be looking at

966
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 3: eight or nine, ten edge rushers, edge rushers, all the

967
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 3: Michael Williams and those type of dudes. There be a

968
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 3: huge run on those. And but in the top twenty,

969
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: I think well over half.

970
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: Of those guys are edge guys. Wow, it's hard to do.

971
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 3: It's hard to do, but I think there's gonna I mean,

972
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 3: you start looking at the team needs in that of

973
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: that group, everybody could use on everybody could use one.

974
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: Everybody could use one.

975
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, whether it's an end, whether it's an edge, edge rusher,

976
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 3: whether it's a defensive tackle.

977
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: Right. I have a hard time come with something else.

978
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. What do you think about the running backs?

979
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: There's a handful of running back needy teams. There's a

980
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: lot of good ones. They're pretty safe.

981
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: I think Genti's the only one that goes in around one.

982
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: Really hmm. See, I was sitting here thinking along the

983
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: same lines, but from a broader perspective of there's gonna

984
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: be few were taken in the top fifty than we

985
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: really think.

986
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 3: Is Omari and Hampton as good as he is, I

987
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 3: think he's a really good prospect. Is he better than

988
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: Nick Chubb was as a prospect coming out?

989
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: No?

990
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 3: Nick Chubb went to top around two.

991
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: The problem with Chubb was nothing in the passing game.

992
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: But okay, you know, I mean, but he was I

993
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: mean that was the knockout why it was not a

994
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: first round I hear you. But he was an early two. Yeah.

995
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: I think that has happening in this draft because it's

996
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: so deep. That's the thing I think, And I can

997
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 3: see a run on them in round two. Hmm okay,

998
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: I said, when do you think they start coming off

999
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 3: the board. Maybe round two is one pretty heavy, but

1000
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 3: it wouldn't shock me if even like a Judkins last

1001
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 3: to early three.

1002
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got definitely see that. And like the kneels

1003
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: are going in five. Yeah, you know, Scatabo going in five.

1004
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: You know, like everyone even get.

1005
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 3: All the other stuff again, you want to get the

1006
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 3: I gotta get an edge rusher. To get an edge

1007
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 3: rusher running back redress, well, the running backs are really deep.

1008
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 3: I can get a guy in the round five who's

1009
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 3: going to come in. You know, I'm not looking for

1010
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 3: a bell cow. I just want a guy that can

1011
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: come in and help good. Yeah, but I can start

1012
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 3: this edge rusher.

1013
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: Most of our mocks that we do that I'm happiest

1014
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: with is when we don't do around a top fifty

1015
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: pick at running back or so you know. And I

1016
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: like him in and I like Judkins and all those guys,

1017
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: but usually it's like I wish we were better at

1018
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: the other spots and as opposed to running back. Yeah,

1019
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, but I think most teams will look at

1020
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 1: that way.

1021
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 3: That's five. That's five Okay, there you go. You came

1022
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: up with We came up with the last one together.

1023
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 3: Because I was about say you made me do three.

1024
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: I was gonna go running back. I was going to

1025
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 3: say something about the running backs, and then I said

1026
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 3: one running back in the first round.

1027
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: How quick, real quick? Your tight end one has my

1028
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: wheels turning. Where do you think the top four go?

1029
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: Do you think they all go in like the top forty?

1030
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: I think it'd be a really long wait for five.

1031
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, you know, I think I think

1032
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: we could see four.

1033
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: And I think if you want one, you better grab

1034
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: one of those four. Yeah. And then otherwise we didn't

1035
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: get one and we got shut out. We'll take Ferguson

1036
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: in the fourth or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, okay,

1037
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: three tight ends.

1038
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 3: And remember I said three tight ends in the top

1039
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: I don't think.

1040
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: It's insane round Those two Super Bowl teams are hanging

1041
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: around out there.

1042
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Kansas City could definitely take right. They

1043
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: can look at that offense. They could get shot out

1044
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 3: on the offensive tackles.

1045
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: You just go, you know, it's okay. We spent money on.

1046
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 3: Grant at the end of round two.

1047
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, or guard or guard. I mean they

1048
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 1: have money invested in tackles. They're like guard is could

1049
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: be a second rounder.

1050
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 3: So take the pass catcher and he makes Patrick mahomes

1051
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 3: life easier.

1052
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: And again it's kind of like the Cam Hayward thing,

1053
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: like who's better to learn from? Right? You know? Right? Yeah,

1054
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: h Cam, Right.

1055
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 3: This hall of famer, teach this son of a Hall

1056
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: of Famer and nephew of a Hall of.

1057
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: Around and do what he does, except except the tailor switch.

1058
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: That might be a little problem to I don't think

1059
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: that's in the cards.

1060
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 3: But anyways, that's going to do it for our number

1061
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 3: one of the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network,

1062
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 3: Matt and Now will be back with our number two

1063
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 3: right after this