WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema: Invention for Destruction

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind production of My

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey you welcome to Weird House Cinema. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Rob Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and today

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Weird House Cinema. We're going to be talking about

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<v Speaker 1>Carl Zaman's nineteen fifty eight science fiction adventure film Invention

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<v Speaker 1>for Destruction, which is a loose adaptation of the works

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<v Speaker 1>of Jules Fern rendered in I would say one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most astonishing and wonderful visual animation styles I've ever seen. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this film is absolutely gorgeous, especially if you see it

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<v Speaker 1>in the restored form. And I'll say it again, but

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<v Speaker 1>if you are inspired to go seek out this work

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<v Speaker 1>after this episode, or you haven't seen it in many,

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<v Speaker 1>many years, do yourself a favor. Watch it in the

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<v Speaker 1>best quality post of all the I think it's like

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<v Speaker 1>about a two thousand, eighteen or seventeen restoration is absolutely amazing. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the one you should watch. So I

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<v Speaker 1>first became aware of this filmmaker when my friend Ben

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<v Speaker 1>came over to show me another movie of his. A

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<v Speaker 1>later one, his adaptation of the Baron Munko's in Story,

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<v Speaker 1>which is also wonderful. But while that one is more fantasy,

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<v Speaker 1>this one is more firmly science fiction. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's very interesting how the style of this movie interacts

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<v Speaker 1>with the science fiction content, because I think you could

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<v Speaker 1>argue that many decades before anybody actually said this word,

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<v Speaker 1>or before this concept existed, this movie is steampunk. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it has a very strong flavor of steampunk to it.

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<v Speaker 1>It is this um unreal future, this sort of you

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<v Speaker 1>can guess, you could call it like an alternate timeline

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<v Speaker 1>future of where technology well I'm not gonna say it

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<v Speaker 1>might have gone there, but this is the future based

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<v Speaker 1>on some futurist optimism of the previous age. But also,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a thing, Rob, I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 1>had the same experience. I had a hard time forcing

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<v Speaker 1>myself to remember that this movie was actually made in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty eight, so this movie came out after Attack

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<v Speaker 1>of the Crab Monsters. This was released the same year

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<v Speaker 1>as Fiend Without a Face. Because to me, it's so

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<v Speaker 1>convincingly evoked the world of sort of techno futurist optimism

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<v Speaker 1>in say, eighteen seventy, that I actually kept slipping into

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<v Speaker 1>a mindset of like I'm watching a film from eighteen seventy,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course is impossible. Yeah, it has a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of timeless feel to it, and it's crazy to to

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<v Speaker 1>look at this film, which again is based on some

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<v Speaker 1>of the works of Jules Verne, has a giant cephalopod

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<v Speaker 1>in it, again from nineteen fifty eight, and then compare

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<v Speaker 1>it to Disney's nineteen fifty four Jules Verne adaptation of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty Thousand Leagues under the Sea, which, granted, these are

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<v Speaker 1>two very different films from very different film environments. Ones

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<v Speaker 1>in color, one is in black and white. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this film seems to be coming from a time all

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<v Speaker 1>its own, or it just feels timeless. It doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 1>shackled to the late nineteen fifties by any stretch. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And not to put down the Disney twenty Thousand Leagues

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<v Speaker 1>because of course, yeah, Kirk Douglas is ned Land, Peter Laurie,

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<v Speaker 1>and James Mason as Captain Nemo. What a cast. But

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<v Speaker 1>also it has some great special effects too, so I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to put it down too much, but it

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<v Speaker 1>does feel like a film made in the nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>and it feels like a product of the nineteen fifties.

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<v Speaker 1>Invention for Destruction is from a past and a future

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<v Speaker 1>that never existed. Yeah, it's unlike anything I think we've

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<v Speaker 1>really watched on the show before, because I mean, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>it is an adventure tale, it's a science fiction tale.

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<v Speaker 1>We've watched plenty of those, yet, like twenty Thousand Leagues

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<v Speaker 1>Under the Cea and and very films that we've watched

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<v Speaker 1>for weird house cinema, it's very much a special effects

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<v Speaker 1>spectacle in which pretty much every shot in the film

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<v Speaker 1>includes some manner a special effect. Yes, I totally agree

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<v Speaker 1>with that, and I think one of the real unique

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<v Speaker 1>pleasures of this movie, but maybe more of of Carl

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<v Speaker 1>Zeman's filmmaking in general, is that the special effects are

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<v Speaker 1>applied not only to spectacular scenes and moments. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just when there's like a great explosion or

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<v Speaker 1>when there's a fantastic machine on screen. There are beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>visual effects for just like a room with a staircase

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<v Speaker 1>and a table, or like a man sitting in a

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<v Speaker 1>shack that is dilapidated and a bird flying through the air.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the special effects are applied to, you might say,

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<v Speaker 1>not very special content of the narrative and in applying

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<v Speaker 1>them that way, they kind of bring mundane details to

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of weird heard in surreal life. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought A really great point on all of this was

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<v Speaker 1>brought up by British filmmaker in Puppeteer John Stevenson, who

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<v Speaker 1>does a little intro on the excellent second run Blu

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<v Speaker 1>Ray release of the restored film that I watched that

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<v Speaker 1>I actually I rented from Video Drum here in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>They have a great um, a great selection of of

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<v Speaker 1>Carl Zammon's films. But anyway, in this little little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>Stevenson points out that while plenty of other special effects

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<v Speaker 1>films of the era even were great and required a

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<v Speaker 1>willful suspension of disbelief, invention for Destruction embraced stylish artificiality.

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<v Speaker 1>Every shot in the film is not only a product

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<v Speaker 1>of special effects, but a hand crafted special effects artifacts

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<v Speaker 1>brought together to create this singular vision that again is

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<v Speaker 1>not it's not about tricking you into thinking this is real. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's uh, it's it creates its own artificial world that

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<v Speaker 1>you buy into. You know, this is funny, And how

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<v Speaker 1>it connects to a conversation we had on last week's

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<v Speaker 1>episode about Jason X about special effects. For me personally

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<v Speaker 1>and I think for a lot of other film fans,

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<v Speaker 1>to realism is not the only measure of of what

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<v Speaker 1>makes a special effect good. It's it's not just good

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<v Speaker 1>if it looks convincingly like the camera has captured a

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<v Speaker 1>real instance of what is supposed to be happening in

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<v Speaker 1>the narrative, be that actually a spaceship flying through the air,

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<v Speaker 1>or actually a submarine fighting a giant octopus or something.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a quality that you can seek beyond realism, which is, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a kind of pleasing artistic integrity. It's something

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<v Speaker 1>kind of close to realism in that there's that integrity element,

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<v Speaker 1>like the the effects have to all kind of work together,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have to believe in their own magic in

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<v Speaker 1>a way, but they don't have to necessarily look real.

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<v Speaker 1>They just have to look right. Yeah. Weirdly, a film

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<v Speaker 1>that comes to mind that really has nothing in common

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<v Speaker 1>with it, uh in in so many ways except for

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<v Speaker 1>this commitment to a stylish artificiality, would be the with

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<v Speaker 1>the the Rodriguez adaptation of the Sin City comic books.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a not a film I'm in a hurry to

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<v Speaker 1>watch again right now. I feel like it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of a violent, nasty film in many respects,

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<v Speaker 1>but it does really commit to an artificial film world

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<v Speaker 1>that you buy into that that that doesn't feel like

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<v Speaker 1>a distraction but an enhancement. I know exactly what you mean,

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<v Speaker 1>and I see why you would compare it to Invention

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<v Speaker 1>for Destruction. Not again, they don't. They're not esthetically similar

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<v Speaker 1>in any way, but what they have in common is

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<v Speaker 1>a sort of total commitment to deep integration of like

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<v Speaker 1>animation and various types of special effects with the live

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<v Speaker 1>actors in a way that that you sort of stop

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<v Speaker 1>seeing as special effects and it just becomes this other world.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just a different type of world. There's our

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<v Speaker 1>world where it's all three D objects and live actors,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's this other type of world where they're

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<v Speaker 1>actors who ride inside hand drawn locomotives and like animated

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<v Speaker 1>birds fly around between the blades of a propeller and

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<v Speaker 1>an airship. Yeah, it's um, I mean, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>film you really really just you need to watch it. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>We can talk about it all day, but but you

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<v Speaker 1>need to see it to understand what we're talking about here.

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<v Speaker 1>Because some of the some of the aspects of it

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<v Speaker 1>are are are kind of it's kind of hard to

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<v Speaker 1>understand how they work if we're just describing it, because yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you have this wonderful combination of live action performances by

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<v Speaker 1>human actors, these kind of two D sets and environments UM,

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<v Speaker 1>stop motion animation, more traditional two D animation, UM. But

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<v Speaker 1>you never feel like it's cobbled together, as you might

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<v Speaker 1>feel with special films like say, uh, you know some

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<v Speaker 1>of the various films that poorly integrate practical and digital effects,

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<v Speaker 1>or even films that have say, stop motion monster scenes

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<v Speaker 1>mixed with a costume a monster effect and something feels

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<v Speaker 1>off about it, Yes, totally. And so it has all

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<v Speaker 1>these different um film styles and effects styles coming together

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<v Speaker 1>within each frame, but it has this deep blended integrity.

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<v Speaker 1>They are all parts of a machine working together, and

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<v Speaker 1>that machine is cranking. And there are other movies like this,

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<v Speaker 1>but um, a lot of the other movies that that

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<v Speaker 1>combine these different effects styles often I think the bar

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<v Speaker 1>is realism. I don't want to get ahead of you, Rob,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think you were going to invoke the example

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<v Speaker 1>of Jurassic Park, which I think is a great example

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<v Speaker 1>of a film that effectively combines different effects styles uh

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<v Speaker 1>into this integrated whole and it works very well. But

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<v Speaker 1>what they're going for is trying to create the impression

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<v Speaker 1>of a real dinosaur, and that's not what Zamon is doing.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's doing something at least equally beautiful, probably much

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<v Speaker 1>more beautiful, I think. Yeah. Like I said, this film

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<v Speaker 1>embraces the artificiality in a way that Jurassic Park didn't,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jurassic Parts effects are amazing in that they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a totally different approach to how you present

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<v Speaker 1>in saying a world on the screen. Yeah. Like, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>one thing I was also I also kept thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>watching this film is the performances and the plot are

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<v Speaker 1>against science fictional uh, but also pretty straightforward. There's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>really dream like about the plot of the film for

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<v Speaker 1>the most part, but the visual language of the film

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<v Speaker 1>really does feel like the etchings in a printed book

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<v Speaker 1>have been brought to life through magic, or that we've

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<v Speaker 1>partially entered a world through the looking glass. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>much about the movie makes you kind of ask what

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<v Speaker 1>reality is this? And there are there are elements actually

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<v Speaker 1>other than the visuals I'll refer to in a minute, like,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, the movies relationship to its literary subject matter

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<v Speaker 1>kept making me think, like, what is reality here? But

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<v Speaker 1>we'll save that question from when we talk about Jules Verne.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, what would you what would you say

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<v Speaker 1>the elevator pitches for this film, Joe, Oh, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>write one ahead of time. But how about a brilliant

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<v Speaker 1>but absent minded scientist is on the verge of creating

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<v Speaker 1>the world's most powerful weapon, though he's not very concerned

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<v Speaker 1>with its practical uses. Um, he is kidnapped by a

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<v Speaker 1>pirate king and his work will be put to questionable ends.

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<v Speaker 1>How will he and his lowly assistant deal with this situation? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that pretty much captures it. It's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's a film full of flying machines, other spectacular

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<v Speaker 1>vessels of the ocean, um, super science, and all of

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<v Speaker 1>it like a nineteenth century illustrated Jules Verne novel, just

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<v Speaker 1>brought to stunning life. That's another thing that I've read, Robin.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much the introduction by the puppeteer

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<v Speaker 1>addressed this, but one thing I saw alleged was that

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<v Speaker 1>the animation style of Invention for Destruction was especially geared

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<v Speaker 1>toward essentially making the hand drawn engravings and illustrations that

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<v Speaker 1>accompanied Jules Verne novels of the nineteenth century, like making

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<v Speaker 1>those into a film texture. Yeah, that's my understanding. They

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<v Speaker 1>there's a bit on this blue ray that I was

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<v Speaker 1>watching that had some interview segments with his daughter, Zaymon's daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>and she mentioned, you know, his inspiration being these, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>these various illustrated Jules Verne books that he would just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pour over and would just be totally enraptured by.

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<v Speaker 1>And and a lot of that is is visible in

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<v Speaker 1>the use of lines, so that there'll be a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of say, horizontal lines in a given scene. Um. Also

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<v Speaker 1>in the costumes there will be a lot of horizontal

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<v Speaker 1>or vertical lines, all of this helping to create this

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<v Speaker 1>idea of wood grains in the the illustration. And z

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<v Speaker 1>Aymon's daughter also mentions like helping her father on the

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<v Speaker 1>on the production. Uh, you know, she was young at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, but he's like, hey, do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>come in and draw lines on costumes and so and

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<v Speaker 1>so there's apparently a great deal of that wonderful Oh

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<v Speaker 1>that's so sweet. One thing we should also point out, um,

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<v Speaker 1>before we move on, is I really we've done. Is

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<v Speaker 1>this our third Check or Czechoslovaka movie on on weird House?

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<v Speaker 1>It is? So far we've done nineteen seventies Fruit of Paradise,

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<v Speaker 1>that was the very Chidlova movie. Yeah, yeah, and there'll

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<v Speaker 1>be a connection to that in this film. And then

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<v Speaker 1>also while you were out on going to leave Seth

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<v Speaker 1>and I talked about John Stuck Buyers Alice from Awesome. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's uh, and and we're probably not done that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's possible that we'll do another Check film next week.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to watch it on my own to see

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<v Speaker 1>how it will fit. But yeah, I mean, Check cinema

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<v Speaker 1>is a rich well to draw from. It's not a

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<v Speaker 1>cinematic world that I feel as versed in as other

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<v Speaker 1>things like you know, Spanish horror or an Italian Jallow

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<v Speaker 1>cinema and so forth. They're certainly American British film. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's just so much there and and so much that

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<v Speaker 1>is new to me. If only one of these beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>weirdo Check directors could have made a movie with Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Nashy in it, like a Paul Nashy Werewolf film directed

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<v Speaker 1>by Carl Zaman or Vera Chidlova m. Well, let's keep

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<v Speaker 1>that in mind, because I'm I'm curious what this film

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to check out feels like, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>one I'm gonna look at has some sort of gothic

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<v Speaker 1>horror elements to it. All right, well, let's go ahead

0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.480
<v Speaker 1>and hear the English language trailer for this film. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a good places. They need to mention that this

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<v Speaker 1>film was released in America as The Fabulous World of

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<v Speaker 1>Jules Verne, and so this is the This is the

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<v Speaker 1>trailer for it. And I think this will work better

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<v Speaker 1>for our English language listeners because you'll get to hear

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<v Speaker 1>this old timey narration talking up the worlds of Jules Verne,

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<v Speaker 1>brought to live on the screen. From the Fantastic Jules Verne,

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<v Speaker 1>creator of Around the World in eighty Days, comes now

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<v Speaker 1>the most fabulous adventure on over or under the Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>the first potion picture produced in the Magic Image Miracle estimation.

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<v Speaker 1>Wonders never before seen will unfold before your startled eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Fantastic aircraft, fly the Skies, electronic machines, an incredible sea

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<v Speaker 1>battle adventure in the mouth of a blazing volcano, underwater

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<v Speaker 1>escape from Chara Island. The Fabulous World of Jules Burn

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<v Speaker 1>brings you the master storyteller of our time, with wonders

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<v Speaker 1>to delight and excite and stir your imagination. The fabulous

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<v Speaker 1>world of Jules Burn. Show them down, Show them down,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, before we jump in further, it just remind everyone. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to watch this film for yourself, and

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<v Speaker 1>we highly recommend you do, the second run blue ray

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<v Speaker 1>edition is amazing. That's the one I watched it on,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can also stream it via the Criterion Channel

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<v Speaker 1>if you subscribe to that service or want to do

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<v Speaker 1>a like you know, the free intro month deal on

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<v Speaker 1>that um. Again, if you do watch it, make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that it's I believe four K restoration because it is gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 1>There is also some a little extra on the disc

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<v Speaker 1>I watched that showed them restoring and showing like all

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<v Speaker 1>the various things they had to do to clean it

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<v Speaker 1>up and just get it get the film looking just

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<v Speaker 1>so splendid. The restoration does look wonderful, like the the

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<v Speaker 1>the lines are so crisp, you know, it is like

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<v Speaker 1>a Durors copper pen had just left the page or

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<v Speaker 1>the wood block. It's it's amazing. Yeah, and the extra

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<v Speaker 1>is John Stevenson, the British filmmaker in Puppeteer. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>he was one of the directors in the first Kung

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<v Speaker 1>Fu Panda film. For example, he has this whole bit

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how as a child he glimpse part of

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<v Speaker 1>this film on British television I don't know, like some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of kids morning show or something, and just needed

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<v Speaker 1>to see it. And even at one point, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>as a child like wrote to the um the check

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<v Speaker 1>embassy to see if you could get a copy, uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And then for the longest apparently it was it was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hard to get a copy of it. Like

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<v Speaker 1>he's talking about, I think a lot of film fans

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<v Speaker 1>who were seeking out films and you know, the in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineties and the early two thousands have this experience

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<v Speaker 1>where you're having to turn to things like um uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like dubbed copies and you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a copy of a disk from another region.

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<v Speaker 1>He says. At one point, um, there was a Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>edition that came out with a number of Ziman's films

0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.439
<v Speaker 1>in it, but it was just tremendously expensive, but he

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<v Speaker 1>had to buy it, so he spent like all of

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<v Speaker 1>his available funds getting it, and so you know, finally

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<v Speaker 1>building up to the day when not only is the

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<v Speaker 1>film widely available, but it's widely available and just splendid

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<v Speaker 1>restored quality. That is something we don't often stop to appreciate, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>in the present day, Like how how fortunate we are

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of these great old films are available

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<v Speaker 1>now and that there's so much easier to see than

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<v Speaker 1>they used to be in and often beautifully restored form.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the painstaking work of many experts. Yeah, even

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<v Speaker 1>films that maybe, like I don't know if you could

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<v Speaker 1>make an argument that maybe Assignment Terror didn't need to

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<v Speaker 1>be so splendidly restored, but but they did it, and

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<v Speaker 1>thank goodness they did. Oh what why would you say

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't need? Of course it does. That's history. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I guess some films, you know, some films

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you could make an argument for like the

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<v Speaker 1>grittiness of the original medium can sort of add to

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<v Speaker 1>the experience. It will be part of the nostalgia for

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<v Speaker 1>a given film. I've also seen effects people discuss how

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<v Speaker 1>older mediums allowed them to sort of cover up the

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<v Speaker 1>limitations of their effects at times, you know, and and

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know, the stuff that might have worked

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<v Speaker 1>on VHS suddenly oh they now they have it out

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<v Speaker 1>on DVD or Blu ray and you can really see

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes. You were never meant to see this wire

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<v Speaker 1>effect in four K. It worked great on a on

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<v Speaker 1>a grainy VHS. Yeah, and I mean I understand they've

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<v Speaker 1>had to go back and do some of that, even

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<v Speaker 1>on productions like Dark Crystal and Labyrinth, and they're just

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<v Speaker 1>some you know, the the quality that we have now

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't necessarily um, something they were taking into account. All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get into the people here. Uh So Carl's Aiman.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh the director also has adaptation and scenario credits, production

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<v Speaker 1>design credits, and special effects credits that they had other

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<v Speaker 1>individuals working with him on the special effects as a

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<v Speaker 1>whole crew here. Uh. He lived nineteen ten through nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Highly influential Czech filmmaker and animator, best remembered for his

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<v Speaker 1>combination of animation and live action, though I believe there

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<v Speaker 1>there are films and short works of his that are

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<v Speaker 1>more purely animation, but this is a great example of

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<v Speaker 1>one that utilizes multiple forms of animation and live performances.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll find many many filmmakers that signed him as an influence,

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<v Speaker 1>and they include the likes of Jans Punkmya himself, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Burton, Terry Gilliam, which seems like a no brainer

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<v Speaker 1>when you think about Terry Gilliams uh use of animation,

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<v Speaker 1>especially during the Monty Python years. Absolutely, I see Hugh Zaman,

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<v Speaker 1>d n A and and Terry Gilliam work m H.

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<v Speaker 1>John Stevenson obviously Wes Anderson as well, And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's very telling because even as I was watching the

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<v Speaker 1>film before I knew that that Wes Anderson, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>had had had had said this before. I think of

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<v Speaker 1>The Life Aquatic and I think of the way that

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<v Speaker 1>the Bellefonte, the the vessel there, the way it's presented

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<v Speaker 1>um at times takes on this kind of embraced artificiality. Yeah, totally,

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<v Speaker 1>and the c Life as well. I think, um, if

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<v Speaker 1>memory serves, it's been a little bit since I've seen that,

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<v Speaker 1>but that of course it's a wonderful film. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's some invention for destruction E Sharks, I think is Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been a long time, but yeah. So Zamon produced

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<v Speaker 1>a number of short films over the years, and multiple

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<v Speaker 1>full length pictures, most of which are at least loosely

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<v Speaker 1>sci fire, fantasy and genre. Prior to filmmaking, who worked

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<v Speaker 1>in advertising and poster design, his films include The Treasure

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<v Speaker 1>of Bird Island, Journey to Prehistory, Baron Munch co Housen,

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<v Speaker 1>Adjuster's Tale, The Stolen Airship, which is another Jewels Verne picture,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a mashup of tales, um On the Comet,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a Jewels Verne adaptation, Tales of a Thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and one Night's Crabbitt, The Sorcerer's Apprentice that's when that one,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe is fully animated, and The Tale of John

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<v Speaker 1>and Mary. Those are, of course all English translated titles

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<v Speaker 1>they have. The original titles are all check titles. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I'm gonna have to eventually see all of those.

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<v Speaker 1>All those sound very interesting. Um and I believe his

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading. And when it comes to awards in

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<v Speaker 1>granted awards, especially you know, uh you know, Western awards

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<v Speaker 1>or not, uh not the be all and end all

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<v Speaker 1>to all this. But his short from nineteen I Believe

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<v Speaker 1>a Christmas Story or Venanci Sin this one best short

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<v Speaker 1>film at the CONNS Film festival. Oh and if you

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<v Speaker 1>find yourself in Prague, there is a museum dedicated to

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<v Speaker 1>his work, the Museum Carla Zamana. I believe, so if you,

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<v Speaker 1>if you, if you live in Prague or visiting Prague,

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<v Speaker 1>or have visited Progue and have gone to this museum,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely right in and tell us all about it. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>We've focused a lot on the on the effects and

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<v Speaker 1>the visual style of the movie, but there's also I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of interesting stuff to say about the

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<v Speaker 1>narrative content of the film. And one thing here is

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<v Speaker 1>that while there is one major work that I think

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<v Speaker 1>you could say this is most adapted from, uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's a Jules Verne novel called Facing the Flag. In

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<v Speaker 1>other ways, it's a very much a mash up. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of a you know, it's a blender smoothie

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<v Speaker 1>full of nineteenth century science fiction ideas, primarily from Jules Verne. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Jules Verne through nineteen o five, the legendary French novelist, poet,

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<v Speaker 1>and playwright. Uh. Some have even you know today will say, oh, well,

0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:54.720
<v Speaker 1>he was kind of a futuristic prophet, you know. He

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<v Speaker 1>he described these various technological achievements and uses that would

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<v Speaker 1>come to fruition. Uh. They were even saying this daring

0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Verne's own lifetime, and he tended to deny such praise

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<v Speaker 1>and saying that's just coincidence, and you know it is

0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:11.040
<v Speaker 1>probably a bit over the top. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he he did in some ways seem to

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<v Speaker 1>see further than uh than many uh in trying to

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<v Speaker 1>imagine how humans would use technology. Um. His science fiction

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<v Speaker 1>has a has this wonderful charm to it though it's

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<v Speaker 1>it can be a bit naive and optimistic in some ways,

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<v Speaker 1>but also very aware of the dark potential for human technology. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>both sides are there. I mean he he often has

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<v Speaker 1>um like villains or anti heroes, uh, sort of searching

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<v Speaker 1>after a powerfully destructive piece of technology. But also I

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<v Speaker 1>would say a very generally kind of enthusiastic, even exuberant,

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<v Speaker 1>positive vision of human progress. Yeah. I think that's a

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<v Speaker 1>good way of summing it up. Among his most famous

0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.800
<v Speaker 1>and frequently adapted works, or around the World in a

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<v Speaker 1>days journey to the center of the Earth, twenty leagues

0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:04.960
<v Speaker 1>under the sea, the mysterious Island, and from Earth to

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<v Speaker 1>the Moon. Uh. Yeah. Given the proximity of his work

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<v Speaker 1>and popularity to the birth of cinema. Adaptations of his

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:14.800
<v Speaker 1>work are numerous and are are frequently kind of important

0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:17.040
<v Speaker 1>benchmarks in the history of cinema, especially when you look

0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:19.080
<v Speaker 1>back to nineteen o two is a Trip to the Moon.

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<v Speaker 1>We already mentioned fifty four two Leagues under the Sea.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also six around the world in eighty days. They're

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<v Speaker 1>still making Jules Verne adaptations, but I was hard pressed

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<v Speaker 1>to pinpoint one that felt important. Somehow, I fully support

0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 1>the artistic choice in Voyage Don Laloon to change the

0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Baltimore gun Club in Jules Verne's novel into a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of guys in Wizard Robes. So um. In terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the final script we see here a

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<v Speaker 1>final vision on the screen. Um. Of course, Naman himself

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<v Speaker 1>has some credit. Um. There's also a check poet and

0:25:56.960 --> 0:26:00.399
<v Speaker 1>writer by the name of Frantis sat Kruven who nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>nine seventy one that has a scenario credit at least.

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<v Speaker 1>This is via IMDb, and among his works are Romance

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<v Speaker 1>for Flugelhorn, which is the one epic poem which was

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<v Speaker 1>also adapted for film in nineteen sixty seven. He wrote

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<v Speaker 1>the screenplay for seventy eight Beauty and the Beast, a

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<v Speaker 1>check film based on his own play. I believe this

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<v Speaker 1>is a stunning looking gothic horror film directed by Urage

0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:29.359
<v Speaker 1>hers Uh, the accounting director of nineteen sixty nine The Creamator,

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<v Speaker 1>a dark comedy horror film that's apparently very well regarded.

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<v Speaker 1>This adaptation of Beauty and the Beast. You were sharing

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<v Speaker 1>some stuff from this with me and this this could

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<v Speaker 1>be on our radar for the future. Yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>need it. I need to check it out. But it

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<v Speaker 1>looks very interesting. There are a couple of other credits,

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<v Speaker 1>and I couldn't find that much about them, but uh,

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:51.639
<v Speaker 1>Milan Vacha dates unknown, at least we're not visible to me.

0:26:51.680 --> 0:26:54.800
<v Speaker 1>When I was looking around, uh credited on this, but

0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 1>not much else was turning up. And also a screenwriter

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<v Speaker 1>about the name of Jerry Pradecca who live nineteen seventeen

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:06.359
<v Speaker 1>through two, is also credited on some film databases, but

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:08.680
<v Speaker 1>not IMDb, so I'm not sure, but I'm going to

0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:11.080
<v Speaker 1>listen their names anyway. All right, should we talk about

0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:12.879
<v Speaker 1>the cast? How you do you want to start with

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:18.119
<v Speaker 1>the old Luboar Tokosh. Yeah, playing Simon Hart are our

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:21.920
<v Speaker 1>hero of the piece. Uh. He lived nineteen twenty three

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:24.440
<v Speaker 1>through two thousand and three. Check Actor active and TV

0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 1>and film from the late forties to the early two thousands.

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:31.920
<v Speaker 1>His more famous work, certainly taking into account global recognition

0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 1>of check films are, are probably his films UH nineteen seventies,

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:39.840
<v Speaker 1>UM Who Show That Year, which I believe is a

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:43.440
<v Speaker 1>surveillance thriller about people who uh suddenly find their home

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:48.560
<v Speaker 1>bugged by presumably the state UH nineteen seventies, which Hammer

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:51.480
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy two is The Girl on the Broomstick.

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 1>But I'm likely missing something major here, especially when it

0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:58.480
<v Speaker 1>comes to the intended audience. So uh, if you have

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:01.399
<v Speaker 1>more experience than we do with cinema and check television

0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:04.680
<v Speaker 1>and so forth right in, we would love to hear

0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:07.119
<v Speaker 1>from you. But yeah, he's he's quite good in this.

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 1>He has very expressive eyes. Luebar Tokosh here has a

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:15.679
<v Speaker 1>very dark, very like, tightly sculpted strap like beard that

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 1>follows his jawline and a and a similar kind of mustache.

0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 1>And I almost wonder if that look is selected because

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<v Speaker 1>of the high contrast like uh beard color and shape

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.439
<v Speaker 1>going well with the animation style. If you know what

0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:31.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean. Yeah, yeah, I believe that there are Yeah,

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>there are characters like is it Yana? Uh yeah, the

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:38.240
<v Speaker 1>sort of the love interest of the piece. Uh. She

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:42.040
<v Speaker 1>was specifically selected because she looked like she would fit

0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 1>into one of these old illustrations. She had a kind

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 1>of naive look to her. She looks I think that

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 1>in the materials about the film I was looking at

0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 1>on the disk she looked like she was quote born yesterday,

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 1>you know so, and that she looked good in period

0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 1>peace uh garbs. So. Yeah. It was all about like

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 1>what will look in the in the the overall piece,

0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 1>not so much like what is this individual's acting prowess? No,

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 1>not to take away from the actors. I thought all

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 1>of the actors in the movie did well. Another actor,

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 1>who I think like like these two we were just

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 1>talking about, seems clearly chosen for a sort of look

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 1>that works well with the animation. Is the Pirate captain

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:23.479
<v Speaker 1>Captain Slade. Oh yeah, yeah. This is interesting because this

0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 1>character is played by front to Seek Sligger Born, and

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:31.959
<v Speaker 1>I was mostly just amused that he also played a

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 1>pirate captain in Zaman's nineteen sixty two film The Fabulous

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Baron muchausen m M. Fun fact, the other pirate players

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 1>that pop up in the pieces, like Pirate Crew. Apparently

0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Zaman just went down to the local retirement home and

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 1>recruited a bunch of guys who had like rugged looking faces.

0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 1>He's like, this is what I need. Then get get

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 1>these rugged mugs into the studio, the retirement home pirates.

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 1>How can you not love this? Yeah? Now we mentioned

0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:02.600
<v Speaker 1>the professor that's gonna be a central part of the plot,

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Professor Roach. Uh, well, okay, we should raise here. I

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 1>don't know if we're going to consistently pronounce the character's

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:13.000
<v Speaker 1>names the same way they are pronounced in the movie. So,

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 1>for example, Simon Hart, the the hero. I think in

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:19.719
<v Speaker 1>the check version they call him like she Mon Hart

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:22.360
<v Speaker 1>or something. Uh, so we're probably we're not going to

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:24.360
<v Speaker 1>manage that. While we're talking about the movie, we will

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 1>have some Anglicized name pronunciation. So the professor is named

0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:30.560
<v Speaker 1>R R O C H. I think they call him

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 1>rogue maybe in in their pronunciation, but we can say roach. Yeah.

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 1>And and also what language did you watch? I watched

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.680
<v Speaker 1>the English dub Oh, okay, so we may we have

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.440
<v Speaker 1>some differences there as well. I watched in the original

0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 1>with subtitles. Okay, well anyway, this particular professor character played

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 1>by Arnast Novrato, who lived nine four A check actor.

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 1>His other films include Great Solitude from nineteen sixty. But

0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 1>I was also amused that he's actually younger uh than

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 1>lue Boar and the actor of Yeah, actor lue Boar. Yeah,

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 1>if the dates are correct, Um, he's actually three years younger. Wow.

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 1>I would not have expected that. Yeah, the magic of cinema.

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 1>We also have an evil count in this uh, in

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>this film, always going to have an evil count scheming away. Yep,

0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:24.000
<v Speaker 1>that's a count. Arctic Gas played by Miroslav Hlob Yeah,

0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifteen through nine check actor. His other credits include

0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:34.240
<v Speaker 1>nine seven's Frankenstein's Aunt and Carl Zaman's nineteen seventy film

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 1>On the Comment. He was also an enemy general in

0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Zaman's nineteen sixty two film The Fact Lost Baron Munchausen.

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 1>So you know very much. He seemed to have a

0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:45.480
<v Speaker 1>crew that he turned to for a lot of these films. Now,

0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 1>we often mentioned the music and rob even though I

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 1>think this is this is not uh an electronic score

0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:53.240
<v Speaker 1>like you typically love the most I bet you love

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 1>the music in this movie because it is incredibly appropriate

0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 1>to the narrative. We get a lot of uh, kind

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 1>of like daunting horn ORNs, but then also jaunty harpsichord. Yeah, yeah,

0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 1>I know. I love the music in this in part

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 1>because there are some great stretches where you have either

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 1>organ or even possibly electronic organ. I'm not sure, but

0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 1>it's Oregon that sounds electronic enough for me anyway. And uh,

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.800
<v Speaker 1>and then a lot of scenes where characters are uh,

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 1>they're they're like either weaving their way through some sort

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 1>of machine filled room or chamber, or they're hanging out

0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:31.240
<v Speaker 1>in the laboratory, and we get a lot of sort

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:35.600
<v Speaker 1>of drone the electronic ambience going on. The music for

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 1>this film is from z Nick Liska, who lived nineteen

0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 1>eighty three. Noted check composer uh and something of an

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:45.600
<v Speaker 1>electronic music pioneer. I'm to understand. It was active from

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:48.640
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen fifties through the early nineteen eighties and is

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:51.719
<v Speaker 1>especially noted for his work in check, new wave and

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:54.920
<v Speaker 1>the early films of stop motion. Legend John Spankmeyer. Uh,

0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 1>he scored nineteen seventies Fruit of Paradise. So we have

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:01.000
<v Speaker 1>discussed his work previously on the show. Oh Wow, The

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Furtive Paradise had awesome music. You remember the scene at

0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:06.960
<v Speaker 1>the beginning that retells the Garden of Eden story sort

0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 1>of in short before the longer, more surreal version, and

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 1>then it's got those choirs and the like the psychedelic vision.

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 1>You have very ethereal Bliska also scored ninety nine The Creamator,

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:23.240
<v Speaker 1>which I have not seen, but again, uh, it factors

0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 1>into a couple of different filmographies here and is highly regarded. Okay,

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:32.440
<v Speaker 1>you want to talk about the plot. Yeah, again, you

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 1>watched the original check version with subtitles. I watched the

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 1>English dub, which was the US release version of the picture,

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 1>and the dub is a lot of fun that this

0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:45.480
<v Speaker 1>is a film where I didn't I don't feel particularly

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:49.400
<v Speaker 1>guilty using an English language dub because it's it's ultimately

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:51.640
<v Speaker 1>more about the visual experience, and this way I'm not

0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 1>reading anything on the screen. Instead, I'm looking at these

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 1>like weird fish. Um but U. Two major differences in

0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>the US is that it's promoted as using the new

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 1>motion picture technique mistimation, which I talked about this briefly

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 1>with Seth before that like, what is this weird? Um,

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 1>American and possibly British aversion to staying stop motion instead

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:18.719
<v Speaker 1>if everything has to have some sort of weird name

0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 1>like Claymation and so forth. Yeah, that's funny. Um. Also

0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:26.920
<v Speaker 1>the most noticeable difference, though, is the U S version

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:30.840
<v Speaker 1>has an extended intro by American radio and television broadcaster

0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Hugh Downs lived nineteen one through uh. Leonard Malton described

0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:42.760
<v Speaker 1>this introduction as quote pointless. Um. Yeah, kinda like I

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:45.799
<v Speaker 1>I went back and looked at the the original check

0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 1>version to see how it started, and yeah, this is

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a bloated intro from Hugh Downs, where

0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 1>he's he's kind of like, you know, he's in this

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 1>like weird living room and he's like saying, Hey, we're

0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:58.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna watch this film today, and it's, uh, you know,

0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 1>it's about the how brilliant Jules Verne was. And he

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 1>tells you a little bit about how Jules Verne was

0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:07.239
<v Speaker 1>brilliant essentially a profit of technology in the future, and

0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:10.319
<v Speaker 1>sort of slowly eases you into the film almost like

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 1>you needed, you know, some sort of appetizer or intro,

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:16.400
<v Speaker 1>or you needed permission from Hugh Downs to enjoy the movie.

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Are are there any like animated fish swimming around his

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 1>head or like an octopus grabbing his leg? Now he

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 1>has some like model airplanes and rockets on the table

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 1>behind him. Yeah, it's almost yeah, yeah, I see what

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:31.720
<v Speaker 1>you're saying. It's almost like you wonder at the time

0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:35.279
<v Speaker 1>for American audiences to accept something this kind of like

0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:40.480
<v Speaker 1>visually unusual, did they have to say, Okay, now we're

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:42.640
<v Speaker 1>gonna sit you down with a boring man in a

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:45.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of boring environment to tell you that it's okay

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:49.640
<v Speaker 1>to watch what follows. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's um,

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.320
<v Speaker 1>you know this is this is right before or around

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 1>the same time that The Twilight Zone came out, So

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:58.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe there's certain uh, there're certain comparisons to

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:02.680
<v Speaker 1>be made there except Q downs is there's nothing creepy

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:05.600
<v Speaker 1>about the way presenting. Eddie's very he's very square in

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:08.360
<v Speaker 1>his presentation of a film that is anything but square.

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:11.600
<v Speaker 1>A retirement home pirate and a fish that turns into

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:17.279
<v Speaker 1>a butterfly. It couldn't happen, but it could in Jules Verne. Yeah,

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:18.919
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know, it's fun, but you can sort

0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 1>of take it or leave it, depending on which version

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 1>of the film you watch and eventually you can end

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:33.880
<v Speaker 1>up in the same place, all right. Well, so in

0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:37.000
<v Speaker 1>the opening credits we see an acknowledgement that this is

0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:42.399
<v Speaker 1>what the the the subtitles translate as freely adapted from

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:44.360
<v Speaker 1>the writings of Jules Verne, and I think that's a

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:46.880
<v Speaker 1>good way to put it, because there is one major

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:49.440
<v Speaker 1>novel that this plot comes from, but it's pulling in

0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:52.239
<v Speaker 1>stuff from all over the place, and I think they

0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 1>give you a taste of the buffet of imagery to come,

0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:59.640
<v Speaker 1>because the opening credits have kind of line drawings in

0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 1>really behind them where you see hints of wait a minute,

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:04.840
<v Speaker 1>what is that? Is that a bullet shaped capsule flying

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 1>through the stars towards the moon? Is this lightning striking

0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:10.840
<v Speaker 1>a castle on a mountaintop. You've got a hot air balloon,

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:15.400
<v Speaker 1>erupting volcano, a ship shooting up, laser beams or beams

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 1>of some kind. Yeah, it pretty much. It's just established

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:22.440
<v Speaker 1>this that we are in a strange Jules Verne version

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 1>of what the future or the past could have consisted of.

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:28.719
<v Speaker 1>And then we opened on a shot of an antique

0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 1>office that's aligned with a sort of fluor de le

0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 1>esque wall paper, a small lamp and ink pot, and

0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:37.760
<v Speaker 1>a stack of books which all bear the name Jules

0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:40.759
<v Speaker 1>Verne on the spine of the books, and we get

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:45.040
<v Speaker 1>some voice over narration. It says, good evening, friends, come closer,

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:48.240
<v Speaker 1>I shall tell you about the greatest adventure of my life.

0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:51.200
<v Speaker 1>And we zoom in on a notebook says, this is

0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:55.000
<v Speaker 1>my journal everything I experienced I confided to its pages.

0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:59.240
<v Speaker 1>Forgive me, I haven't introduced myself. I am Mr Simon Hart,

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 1>and he says I lived at a time of such hope,

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:05.520
<v Speaker 1>the dream of human progress. And here we see an

0:38:05.520 --> 0:38:09.279
<v Speaker 1>illustration that maybe a kind of airship. He says, we

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:12.359
<v Speaker 1>could think of nothing else. My friends and I rob

0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:17.319
<v Speaker 1>or the conqueror, Barbican Captain Nemo. Uh. And then we

0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:19.640
<v Speaker 1>see all kinds of illustrations, including one of like ce

0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:24.399
<v Speaker 1>monsters or prehistoric marine reptiles biting each other's necks. And

0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:27.200
<v Speaker 1>there's an ambiguity here when he says we could think

0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:30.040
<v Speaker 1>of nothing else, My friends and I rob or the Conqueror,

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:34.919
<v Speaker 1>Barbican Captain Nemo, because all these names he lists are

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Jules Verne characters, and it's not clear from what he's

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:44.280
<v Speaker 1>saying whether he's saying those were his friends who couldn't

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:47.160
<v Speaker 1>think of anything other than human progress, or if his

0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 1>friends couldn't think of anything other than human progress, And

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:54.320
<v Speaker 1>the examples of human progress he's listing are Roeber, the Conqueror,

0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Barbican and Captain Nemo, both of which would make sense

0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:00.879
<v Speaker 1>as as interpretations of that sentence, and both are kind

0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:05.480
<v Speaker 1>of supported by the context. Like he's looking at books

0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:08.120
<v Speaker 1>that say Jewels Verne on them, and these are Jewels

0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:11.439
<v Speaker 1>Verned characters, so they're like characters he's referring to within

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 1>the narrative, but then he also talks about them as

0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:17.959
<v Speaker 1>if they are real people. So there's a very kind

0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 1>of interesting, ambiguous superposition of the fictional world of Jules

0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Verne and the supposed reality of this movie's narrative. Uh,

0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 1>that that are like existing at the same time there,

0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Do you see what I mean? Yeah? Yeah, And this

0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 1>is another way that this film feels not you know,

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:38.239
<v Speaker 1>we've discussed how it feels like something echoing from a

0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:42.080
<v Speaker 1>time before, but in this it really feels like like

0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 1>something from much later, like from the the eighties or

0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:47.440
<v Speaker 1>perhaps the nineties, in the way that it's it's it's

0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:51.320
<v Speaker 1>treating this world creation. But I wanted to explain these

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:54.400
<v Speaker 1>other jewels Verne characters he mentions just for some context.

0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 1>So you've got a rubber of the Conqueror. This is

0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:59.719
<v Speaker 1>the title character of a novel by Jules vern It's

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:02.960
<v Speaker 1>called Robert the Conqueror. Robert is an inventor, and the

0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:06.879
<v Speaker 1>thing he conquers is the skies. He creates a gigantic

0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 1>airship that is held aloft, empowered by a series of

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 1>propellers and air screws. And Robert he's one of Verne's

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of antisocial genius inventors. He flies around the world

0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:22.760
<v Speaker 1>planting black flags on top of pyramids and the Statue

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 1>of Liberty and so forth. And apparently the novel involves

0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:31.160
<v Speaker 1>a bitter factional struggle within a Philadelphia aeronautics or flight

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:35.279
<v Speaker 1>club between Roeber and the group that prefers dirigible as

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:38.760
<v Speaker 1>another lighter than air aircraft. And he'll he'll sure show

0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:41.359
<v Speaker 1>them that heavier than air aircraft are the way to go.

0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 1>And note, of course that this was written at a

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:47.440
<v Speaker 1>time before powered flight. So I don't know if we

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.440
<v Speaker 1>if we want to say technoprofit or whatever, but Jules

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Verne often was writing several decades ahead. You know, he

0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:56.160
<v Speaker 1>was writing about things that would in some rough sense

0:40:56.239 --> 0:41:00.800
<v Speaker 1>become real technologies several decades after he was writing about them,

0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:03.160
<v Speaker 1>or would become more developed, because he also like talks

0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:05.600
<v Speaker 1>about submarines, which, like at the time he published twenty

0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Leagues under the Sea, there were sort of primitive submarines,

0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:12.200
<v Speaker 1>but not anywhere near the kind of thing he describes

0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 1>in twenty Leagues. Um, So the other characters he mentions,

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:20.840
<v Speaker 1>one is Barbican, which is one of the main characters

0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:23.239
<v Speaker 1>of From the Earth to the Moon and then the

0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:25.640
<v Speaker 1>sequel Around the Moon's a sort of a story in

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:29.840
<v Speaker 1>two parts. Barbican is the president of a Baltimore gun

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:32.480
<v Speaker 1>club who builds a cannon that will shoot him and

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:35.640
<v Speaker 1>two other passengers around the moon in a closed capsule,

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:38.799
<v Speaker 1>again seemingly to prove the haters wrong or kind of

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 1>sensing a pattern here, there's like a like a gentleman's

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 1>club for people interested in science and technology and human progress,

0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:49.400
<v Speaker 1>and then there's like a struggle within that club, and

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:52.839
<v Speaker 1>there's a defiant inventor or or genius in the club

0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:55.560
<v Speaker 1>who's like, I'm gonna show my my rivals wrong and

0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:58.880
<v Speaker 1>does something amazing, But I think it's notable that the

0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:01.319
<v Speaker 1>ones that follow almost that exact pattern are kind of

0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:04.319
<v Speaker 1>the less notable jewles for novels, because when you come

0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:09.400
<v Speaker 1>to twenty Leagues and Captain Nemo, uh, this is once

0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:13.960
<v Speaker 1>again a defiant, antisocial, globe trotting genius of sorts, but

0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:17.040
<v Speaker 1>with I think a much more complex and tragic motivation.

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:19.520
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of critics would say twenty Leagues

0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:22.880
<v Speaker 1>is better and more interesting than a lot of verns

0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 1>other novels in in uh, in the quality of its

0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:28.880
<v Speaker 1>character is not just for the avocation of an interesting

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 1>PSI tech scenario, Because Captain Nemo is there's a lot

0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:36.279
<v Speaker 1>about him that's kind of hidden under the surface. You

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:38.920
<v Speaker 1>you don't know exactly what his motivations are, but like

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:41.640
<v Speaker 1>there's the implication that he's sort of on a plot

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:46.480
<v Speaker 1>of anti imperialist revenge after like imperial or colonial powers

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:49.359
<v Speaker 1>have destroyed his home and his family, which makes him

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:51.799
<v Speaker 1>a weirdly kind of sympathetic character, even though he sort

0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:54.319
<v Speaker 1>of fills the role of a villain or antagonist in

0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:59.160
<v Speaker 1>the book. And so Nemo and twenty Leagues are very interesting. Yeah,

0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I think this is some thing that the Disney adaptation

0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 1>from the fifties I think captured quite well. And I

0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:07.800
<v Speaker 1>remember thinking a lot about this as a child watching

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:10.800
<v Speaker 1>this film and rewatching this film, it's like you you

0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:13.279
<v Speaker 1>spend a lot of time thinking about Captain Nemo, Like,

0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:16.680
<v Speaker 1>obviously he's the villain, but he's also really cool. But

0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:20.359
<v Speaker 1>also he clearly is a very conflicted character and and

0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:22.520
<v Speaker 1>other characters in the film are trying to figure him

0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:25.440
<v Speaker 1>out as well. That thought, it was well produced in that,

0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 1>But I would say the closest to a single inspiration

0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:32.760
<v Speaker 1>for the plot of Invention for Destruction is the jewels

0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Urn novel Facing the Flag, which is a later novel

0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:39.239
<v Speaker 1>of his, which has a very patriotic twist to it,

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:42.720
<v Speaker 1>which some I've argued is is kind of a much

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:47.440
<v Speaker 1>lesser rehash of Twenty Leagues. Like it involves a rogue

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:51.719
<v Speaker 1>captain operating a submarine with a secret island base, but

0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 1>he's in the case of Facing the Flag, the character

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:57.680
<v Speaker 1>is not as interesting and nuanced and complex as as

0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Captain Nemo. He's just sort of a bad guy. He's

0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:03.640
<v Speaker 1>like a mean criminal. But anyway, so to come back

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:07.400
<v Speaker 1>to this whole thing where the narrator here seemingly is

0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 1>the main character in a loose adaptation of a Jules

0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Verne novel, but describes himself as swept up in a

0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:17.480
<v Speaker 1>in a wave of giddy enthusiasm for progress through science

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:21.560
<v Speaker 1>and technology. That is implied, It's not explicit, but it's

0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:25.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of implied that this is by reading Jules Verne novels.

0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:29.719
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like if you had a Superman origin

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:33.160
<v Speaker 1>story where he grew up excited about heroism because he

0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:36.279
<v Speaker 1>read d C comics. You know, it reminds me just

0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:40.000
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of Time after Time, where HD Wells

0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:42.759
<v Speaker 1>is both a character and the time machine has a

0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:46.040
<v Speaker 1>physical reality, though that's a little more that they that's

0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:48.960
<v Speaker 1>a little more battened down in terms of making it all. Um,

0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:53.759
<v Speaker 1>have narrative sense to it. Yeah, but I see the comparison. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:56.400
<v Speaker 1>that that blending of the you know, the the higher

0:44:56.600 --> 0:45:00.720
<v Speaker 1>level of reality with the with the narrative inside the book. Mhm.

0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, so that's establishing the setting, and Simon hart

0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 1>A narrating goes on to say, well, that was the

0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:09.080
<v Speaker 1>world of our youth, and then we begin a fabulous

0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 1>animated sequence where um so again to try to picture

0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:16.680
<v Speaker 1>what's going on in in the scenes of this movie

0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:20.160
<v Speaker 1>if you haven't seen it. There are often different layers

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:23.880
<v Speaker 1>of animation, so there will be live action and still

0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:28.520
<v Speaker 1>imagery combined into a single frame to affect a total scene,

0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:31.319
<v Speaker 1>and then often animation going on on top of and

0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:34.360
<v Speaker 1>around it. So you might have, for example, live action

0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:39.560
<v Speaker 1>footage of crashing waves superimposed overhand drawn waves, and a

0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:45.320
<v Speaker 1>shoreline with an animated boat filled with live actors. Yeah. Yeah,

0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:47.640
<v Speaker 1>so many layers to it, and then shot to shot

0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:50.840
<v Speaker 1>things will change as well, Like in one shot a

0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:54.360
<v Speaker 1>diver may be presented as a as a stop motion puppet,

0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:57.040
<v Speaker 1>and then in the next it's a live actor in

0:45:57.040 --> 0:46:01.360
<v Speaker 1>a costume. And again that it's it's not a seamless transition,

0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:04.359
<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't feel flawed. It feels in keeping with

0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:09.400
<v Speaker 1>the handcrafted artificiality of the picture. Yeah. So the narrator says,

0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:12.560
<v Speaker 1>my story proper begins on the Atlantic. What an impression

0:46:12.600 --> 0:46:14.640
<v Speaker 1>that made on me. I was a passenger on the

0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:18.400
<v Speaker 1>first steamship to cross the Ocean, which I think is

0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:21.920
<v Speaker 1>funny because all these things different differently kind of blend together,

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:25.200
<v Speaker 1>But like somehow I just find the the steamship crossing

0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:28.360
<v Speaker 1>the ocean. While it is actually in reality an impressive

0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:31.480
<v Speaker 1>feet it's just far less inspiring to the imagination than

0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:36.799
<v Speaker 1>like a submarine or an airship. But anyway, he says,

0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 1>I watched as the human spirit challenged the waves below

0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:42.920
<v Speaker 1>and the empire of the air above. And here we

0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:45.520
<v Speaker 1>have a row of well dressed passengers on the boat.

0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:48.080
<v Speaker 1>They're lining the walls of the steamship, gazing out at

0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 1>things with spyglasses and opera binoculars, and we see an

0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:56.040
<v Speaker 1>airship and a submarine. To match his comments there, Now

0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 1>with the airship, there's sort of a dirigible frame, and

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:03.680
<v Speaker 1>then a pilot who is pedaling bicycle pedals to power

0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:06.759
<v Speaker 1>a propeller, and there's all kinds of things going on.

0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:09.200
<v Speaker 1>It really looks like one of the seagulls flying around

0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:11.680
<v Speaker 1>is going to get squashed or chopped up by the

0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:15.640
<v Speaker 1>bow prop like a seagull salad shooter. Yeah, yeah, and

0:47:15.719 --> 0:47:17.839
<v Speaker 1>I can only imagine a little. Touches like this were

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:21.280
<v Speaker 1>intentional in part because they're they're they're funny, but also

0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:23.960
<v Speaker 1>it made me think of something that I heard Gamo

0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:27.440
<v Speaker 1>de Toro talk about in making a feature about Pinocchio,

0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:31.279
<v Speaker 1>his new Pinocchio film, which is beautiful, but he he

0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:34.319
<v Speaker 1>made a really nice point. He said that that, um,

0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:37.919
<v Speaker 1>if you're filming with live actors and your live performances,

0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:40.600
<v Speaker 1>you have the script, you have the performance of the script,

0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:44.680
<v Speaker 1>and you hope for little alterations, even a little mistakes,

0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:48.680
<v Speaker 1>out of which something special may arise. But when you're

0:47:48.719 --> 0:47:52.200
<v Speaker 1>doing animation and stop motion animation or or something like

0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:55.239
<v Speaker 1>like this picture, you know, everything is meticulously planned out,

0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes you have to plan in the mistakes. You

0:47:58.120 --> 0:48:01.000
<v Speaker 1>have to plan in things like say a character not

0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:03.799
<v Speaker 1>closing a closet door all the way, or kind of

0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:06.720
<v Speaker 1>fumbling a little bit when placing a plate on a table,

0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:09.880
<v Speaker 1>because those are the things that feel real, and you

0:48:09.960 --> 0:48:12.480
<v Speaker 1>have to plan for those. Yeah. Yeah, So with live

0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:16.720
<v Speaker 1>actors and and the three dimensional world, imperfections that prove

0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:20.600
<v Speaker 1>the reality arise naturally. But with animation, because you're going

0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:23.920
<v Speaker 1>frame by frame, you have to plan them in. Yeah.

0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:25.719
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's also when This is something that

0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:28.560
<v Speaker 1>I talked about with Seth on that that Alete episode,

0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:30.520
<v Speaker 1>is that this one of the charms of stop motion

0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:33.440
<v Speaker 1>in general is that there's this handcrafted nous and this

0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:38.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of lovable awkwardness to it where it feels real.

0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:40.759
<v Speaker 1>You know that that reminds me of another thing I

0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:44.719
<v Speaker 1>wanted to say about this movie, Uh, to contrast it

0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:47.920
<v Speaker 1>with what you would usually say about a special effects

0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:51.359
<v Speaker 1>driven film movie critics that like, I can just hear

0:48:51.360 --> 0:48:54.400
<v Speaker 1>in my head Cisco and Ebert saying this using the

0:48:54.440 --> 0:49:00.640
<v Speaker 1>phrase special effects picture almost as synonymous with a movie

0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:06.560
<v Speaker 1>that is lacking in kind of expressive human qualities, that

0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:11.600
<v Speaker 1>it's a more kind of alien uh you know, uh,

0:49:12.200 --> 0:49:16.000
<v Speaker 1>product of a kind of plastic texture, mass manufactured in

0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:20.360
<v Speaker 1>a way. And this movie is a special effects picture

0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:23.000
<v Speaker 1>in every way, like the special effects are the main character.

0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:27.320
<v Speaker 1>But it is exactly the opposite. It feels lovingly handmade.

0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:30.200
<v Speaker 1>It is the opposite of what you would mean when

0:49:30.239 --> 0:49:35.960
<v Speaker 1>you said that about like, you know, Transformer six or something. Right. So, anyway,

0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:38.760
<v Speaker 1>while we're watching this, the narrator goes on about giddy

0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:42.240
<v Speaker 1>excitement for every new development of science and technology, and then, ah,

0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:45.320
<v Speaker 1>what's this. There's another site off the side of the steamship.

0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:49.400
<v Speaker 1>There is a strange iron mass, this elongated hull, bobbing

0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:52.240
<v Speaker 1>in the water. And then we see several men scamper

0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:54.799
<v Speaker 1>into a into a hatch on the top and close it,

0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:57.680
<v Speaker 1>and then the vessel descends down into the water, and

0:49:57.719 --> 0:50:00.719
<v Speaker 1>the narrator says, little did I know what roll submersible

0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:03.919
<v Speaker 1>would soon play in my life. But suddenly we're onto

0:50:03.920 --> 0:50:06.600
<v Speaker 1>something else. We're watching a train across a giant bridge

0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:10.240
<v Speaker 1>spanning a colossal canyon, and the narrator says, my journey

0:50:10.239 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 1>continued overland. The iron horse knew no obstacles, and we

0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:19.000
<v Speaker 1>get another ingeniously composed shot. So the locomotive is fully

0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:22.080
<v Speaker 1>animated or hand drawn, but the people peering out the

0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:25.279
<v Speaker 1>windows and the conductor are live actors. I don't know

0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:29.480
<v Speaker 1>exactly how this shot was accomplished, but it's beautiful. And

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:31.920
<v Speaker 1>then we see our narrator as a passenger on board

0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:33.880
<v Speaker 1>the train. This is that you know, this is a

0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:36.520
<v Speaker 1>lu boor Tokas. He's a young man with sad eyes,

0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:39.520
<v Speaker 1>that that trim mustache and the dark strap like beard

0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:43.279
<v Speaker 1>along his jawbone. Uh and uh. He's sitting in the

0:50:43.320 --> 0:50:46.720
<v Speaker 1>train and there's a man with a rifle who squats

0:50:46.760 --> 0:50:48.719
<v Speaker 1>down inside the train trying to I think, shoot a

0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:52.640
<v Speaker 1>bird out the train window, but then he accidentally shoots

0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:58.080
<v Speaker 1>through a h passengers newspaper that he's reading, which was

0:50:58.360 --> 0:51:01.239
<v Speaker 1>very funny. Yeah. I laughed out loud and kind of

0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:03.319
<v Speaker 1>exclaimed too, because it's like, oh my god, he just

0:51:03.320 --> 0:51:05.520
<v Speaker 1>shot somebody in the face. But then no, the man

0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:07.759
<v Speaker 1>with the newspaper lowers the newspaper and it's just a

0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:11.640
<v Speaker 1>whole blasted through the newspaper, and he's slightly annoyed, but

0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:14.440
<v Speaker 1>you think that he's freaked out by the fact that

0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:16.520
<v Speaker 1>the newspaper was shot. But then he almost seems not

0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:19.200
<v Speaker 1>to have noticed that because he was just reading a

0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:23.439
<v Speaker 1>very tragic story, something about a catastrophic accident with a submersible.

0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:26.160
<v Speaker 1>So I think that we're to understand that submarine that

0:51:26.640 --> 0:51:30.000
<v Speaker 1>that uh Simon Hart saw earlier has sunk. It was

0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:33.400
<v Speaker 1>a tragic accident, and the sadman says, such a needless

0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:36.080
<v Speaker 1>loss of life. He had another invention meets its fate.

0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:38.799
<v Speaker 1>Man was given legs to walk upon the earth, and

0:51:38.840 --> 0:51:42.640
<v Speaker 1>there he should stay. But our young protagonist he has

0:51:42.680 --> 0:51:44.680
<v Speaker 1>a look and then he folds up the newspaper and

0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:47.520
<v Speaker 1>he hands it back as if to rebuke the man.

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:50.600
<v Speaker 1>He says, fortunately, there are always those not content to

0:51:50.719 --> 0:51:53.600
<v Speaker 1>merely walk. So he is fully devoted to the future,

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:57.680
<v Speaker 1>even if there are catastrophic submarine accidents, and we also

0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:00.719
<v Speaker 1>get more narration and and animation about air ships. So

0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:03.880
<v Speaker 1>that's moving in the kind of Robe or the Conqueror idea.

0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:06.759
<v Speaker 1>But eventually he goes on to say an era of

0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:10.799
<v Speaker 1>steam and electricity has rendered obsolete the servants of yesteryear,

0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:13.480
<v Speaker 1>And we see a carriage driver standing over a wrecked

0:52:13.520 --> 0:52:16.719
<v Speaker 1>axle and just lamenting the fate of the carriage. But

0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:20.320
<v Speaker 1>we cut from that to a steam powered horseless carriage

0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:24.520
<v Speaker 1>being driven by a mustachio gentleman with an aviator's cap

0:52:24.600 --> 0:52:28.320
<v Speaker 1>like a goggle cap. Uh, and our narrator, while riding

0:52:28.360 --> 0:52:31.520
<v Speaker 1>the steam powered truck, Abomination looks at the sky and

0:52:31.560 --> 0:52:34.680
<v Speaker 1>he notices an airship chugging along in the clouds, and

0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:38.160
<v Speaker 1>he makes mention of his friend Robe or the Conqueror.

0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:40.560
<v Speaker 1>So once again like what level of reality are we

0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:44.960
<v Speaker 1>inhabiting here? Like are these jewels verned characters characters from books?

0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Or are they living people? It seems kind of both.

0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:50.920
<v Speaker 1>But eventually Heart arrives at the end of his long journey.

0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:54.040
<v Speaker 1>He arrives at his destination and it is a private

0:52:54.120 --> 0:52:58.080
<v Speaker 1>sanatorium stashed up on a rocky cliff overlooking the sea,

0:52:58.719 --> 0:53:01.160
<v Speaker 1>and as he approaches it, he passes by a man

0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:04.000
<v Speaker 1>who looks like a grizzled sea captain in a large

0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:07.480
<v Speaker 1>cloak who's wandering the rocks outside. And at first this

0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:10.400
<v Speaker 1>man pulls a revolver on on Simon Hard as they

0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:12.319
<v Speaker 1>bump into each other, but then he's just kind of

0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:15.200
<v Speaker 1>like whatever, and they go on their separate ways. Uh.

0:53:15.200 --> 0:53:18.279
<v Speaker 1>And the narrator asks, but who was that man? And

0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:19.920
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, you know, he kind of looks a

0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:23.839
<v Speaker 1>bit like svennl A Thorson. Oh yeah, but we learned

0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:27.400
<v Speaker 1>here that Heart is at the sanatorium to visit his mentor,

0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:32.319
<v Speaker 1>the brilliant scientist Professor Roach, who recovering from nervous exhaustion

0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:35.439
<v Speaker 1>after working so long on his most recent invention, has

0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:39.960
<v Speaker 1>been has been stashed away here. Um and uh so, uh,

0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:42.239
<v Speaker 1>let's see, Simon Hart is speaking to the I guess

0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:45.640
<v Speaker 1>the warden, the man who operates the sanatorium, and Heart

0:53:45.719 --> 0:53:48.759
<v Speaker 1>says that he and Professor Roach need money so that

0:53:48.760 --> 0:53:51.880
<v Speaker 1>they can finish Professor Roach is great invention in peace,

0:53:52.280 --> 0:53:55.040
<v Speaker 1>and the other man says, sometimes I wonder if no

0:53:55.120 --> 0:54:00.000
<v Speaker 1>good will come of this great explosive device, you know. Um,

0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:02.560
<v Speaker 1>And we're not told at this point why the professor

0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:05.799
<v Speaker 1>is building a great explosive device, But you know, it's

0:54:05.840 --> 0:54:08.120
<v Speaker 1>Juels Verne stuff he just did. This is just progress.

0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:11.799
<v Speaker 1>And although it did not appear in the English subtitles

0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:13.640
<v Speaker 1>for this movie, I don't know if they ever said

0:54:13.640 --> 0:54:16.080
<v Speaker 1>it in in the w watched rob but in I

0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:19.520
<v Speaker 1>was reading about Jules Verne's facing the flag, and allegedly

0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:23.480
<v Speaker 1>in that Roaches device is called the full Garater. I

0:54:23.480 --> 0:54:25.839
<v Speaker 1>don't remember that term. I do remember there's a lot

0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:30.400
<v Speaker 1>of talk about like absolute matter and and so forth. Yeah,

0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:33.520
<v Speaker 1>this may be a kind of red coon with reality.

0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:36.680
<v Speaker 1>But they later when they're explaining his breakthrough, it makes

0:54:36.680 --> 0:54:40.400
<v Speaker 1>it sound a lot like he's discovering uh, nuclear secrets,

0:54:40.440 --> 0:54:45.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, basically nuclear power and nuclear weapons. Yeah. Oh,

0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:48.520
<v Speaker 1>but after this, a dark and beautiful scene unfolds later

0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:51.200
<v Speaker 1>that night when the grizzled sea captain man from the

0:54:51.239 --> 0:54:54.279
<v Speaker 1>cliffs earlier, he's out by the stormy sea and there

0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:57.239
<v Speaker 1>are waves crashing on the rocks and he raises a

0:54:57.360 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 1>lantern to signal at a mysterious vessel, and someone on

0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:04.319
<v Speaker 1>board the vessel flashes a light to signal back, and

0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:07.360
<v Speaker 1>here onto the shore come a crew of gnarly pirates.

0:55:07.400 --> 0:55:10.480
<v Speaker 1>I guess these are the retirement home pirates, rowing their

0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:13.120
<v Speaker 1>boats in the gloom against the heavy surf. I love

0:55:13.239 --> 0:55:15.400
<v Speaker 1>the look of the scene. Now this is not the

0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:17.359
<v Speaker 1>one where they're in the submarine that's later, I think,

0:55:17.480 --> 0:55:20.600
<v Speaker 1>right right rightning their swords. Oh no, no, no, this

0:55:20.640 --> 0:55:23.680
<v Speaker 1>is when they're rowing their boats to get to the senatorium. Yeah. Um.

0:55:23.760 --> 0:55:26.520
<v Speaker 1>And we get a little backstory meanwhile between Simon Hart

0:55:26.520 --> 0:55:29.400
<v Speaker 1>and Professor Roach that they're talking about his work, and

0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Roach says, I'm a scientist and my interestalize in chemical reactions,

0:55:33.400 --> 0:55:37.520
<v Speaker 1>not their practical applications. And this is a theme that

0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:40.760
<v Speaker 1>will they'll come back to several times. He's just plowing

0:55:40.800 --> 0:55:46.040
<v Speaker 1>ahead with with scientific progress, and he actively refuses thinking

0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:51.040
<v Speaker 1>about to what use the progress will be put. Yeah,

0:55:51.080 --> 0:55:53.239
<v Speaker 1>and uh and and they'll be payoff with this later on.

0:56:02.120 --> 0:56:05.040
<v Speaker 1>So the pirates are here, in fact, to kidnap Professor

0:56:05.120 --> 0:56:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Roach and young Simon Hart. They take him along to

0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:10.120
<v Speaker 1>uh and they are being led by the sea captain

0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:13.440
<v Speaker 1>and his revolver. And here's where we noticed there's a

0:56:13.520 --> 0:56:16.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of curious magic to the pirates. They are realized

0:56:16.520 --> 0:56:19.880
<v Speaker 1>with both Menace and whimsy, so they appear kind of frightening.

0:56:20.440 --> 0:56:23.480
<v Speaker 1>But over on the whimsy ledger there is, for example,

0:56:23.480 --> 0:56:27.640
<v Speaker 1>a special effect where like a strongman pirate lifts Simon

0:56:27.719 --> 0:56:29.560
<v Speaker 1>hard up in the air, like lifts him up above

0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:33.600
<v Speaker 1>his head. So and he is so obviously being hoisted

0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:36.560
<v Speaker 1>up by some other means, maybe a hidden pulley or something,

0:56:37.160 --> 0:56:39.480
<v Speaker 1>that it looks like he's just a balloon in the

0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:42.719
<v Speaker 1>muscle pirate's hands, Like there's no attempt at all to

0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:46.760
<v Speaker 1>maintain the illusion of weight. He just kind of floats up.

0:56:46.840 --> 0:56:49.680
<v Speaker 1>And it adds a kind of subtle physical comedy that

0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:53.640
<v Speaker 1>I found incredibly pleasing, Like when the Man with the newspaper,

0:56:53.800 --> 0:56:56.719
<v Speaker 1>when the newspaper is shot on the train earlier, and

0:56:56.760 --> 0:56:59.600
<v Speaker 1>there's another gag like this with like a a pirate

0:56:59.680 --> 0:57:02.920
<v Speaker 1>throwing a rope that seems to almost magically wrap itself

0:57:02.960 --> 0:57:07.240
<v Speaker 1>around the professor. Yeah, yeah, I'm also reminded of the

0:57:07.360 --> 0:57:10.600
<v Speaker 1>wind up machine gun pistol from later on in the film.

0:57:10.680 --> 0:57:13.600
<v Speaker 1>That's so good. Yeah, when the Count is trying to

0:57:13.600 --> 0:57:16.040
<v Speaker 1>shoot down a hot air balloon and he's got it

0:57:16.080 --> 0:57:18.440
<v Speaker 1>looks like a musket pistol almost, and he's trying to

0:57:18.480 --> 0:57:21.800
<v Speaker 1>fire it and it's not working, and his his scientist Henchman,

0:57:21.880 --> 0:57:24.480
<v Speaker 1>winds it up for him and then yeah, yeah, then

0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:28.560
<v Speaker 1>it's an automatic weapon, yeah with no kick. It doesn't

0:57:28.560 --> 0:57:31.880
<v Speaker 1>seem like it has any kick to it, right. Uh So,

0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Simon Harden Professor are whisked off into the night on

0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:38.120
<v Speaker 1>on the rowboats, where they will be taken as prisoners

0:57:38.160 --> 0:57:42.480
<v Speaker 1>to destinations unknown. Now why them? Could it be because

0:57:42.480 --> 0:57:45.560
<v Speaker 1>of the Professor's interest in chemical reactions and not their

0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:50.280
<v Speaker 1>practical applications. Uh. Anyway, the the narrator informs us that

0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:54.240
<v Speaker 1>word of their kidnapping spreads like wildfire, and there is

0:57:54.320 --> 0:57:58.080
<v Speaker 1>soon a worldwide man hunt for them. And this is

0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:00.760
<v Speaker 1>a theme that I want to plan a seed here,

0:58:00.800 --> 0:58:05.080
<v Speaker 1>because I think this is something that's kind of characteristic

0:58:05.240 --> 0:58:09.240
<v Speaker 1>of Jules Vernes fiction, and there might be something interesting

0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:13.560
<v Speaker 1>to tease out about this. In Jules Verne novels, there

0:58:13.640 --> 0:58:17.120
<v Speaker 1>is often a sense of like there is a situation

0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:21.280
<v Speaker 1>and word of it spreads around the whole world, and

0:58:21.480 --> 0:58:26.520
<v Speaker 1>everyone learns of this situation or problem, and uh, problem

0:58:26.640 --> 0:58:31.080
<v Speaker 1>solvers around the world all simultaneously turn their attention to

0:58:31.320 --> 0:58:35.200
<v Speaker 1>solving this problem. Yeah, yeah, this this idea, I mean,

0:58:35.240 --> 0:58:37.439
<v Speaker 1>it's it's almost kind of the same level of one

0:58:37.440 --> 0:58:41.080
<v Speaker 1>world optimism that you see uh in in the later

0:58:41.120 --> 0:58:43.600
<v Speaker 1>works of you know, like like Star Trek and so forth.

0:58:43.640 --> 0:58:46.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, this idea that that the world at large,

0:58:46.320 --> 0:58:51.200
<v Speaker 1>when unified, is this force of order and progress. Yes, yes,

0:58:51.520 --> 0:58:54.120
<v Speaker 1>like not the kind of mundane reality that, oh, if

0:58:54.200 --> 0:58:57.360
<v Speaker 1>if two people were like kidnapped from a sanatorium, probably

0:58:57.360 --> 0:59:01.080
<v Speaker 1>like nothing would happen, Like they just disappear. Uh. Instead,

0:59:01.160 --> 0:59:03.960
<v Speaker 1>this is like, okay, now the machine is activated, the

0:59:04.000 --> 0:59:08.040
<v Speaker 1>whole world is looking for them to get them back. Yeah. Yeah,

0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:11.480
<v Speaker 1>which again it's kind of like that naive optimistic charm

0:59:11.720 --> 0:59:15.480
<v Speaker 1>of this uh, this vision of the Jewels Verne universe.

0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:19.160
<v Speaker 1>And this leads to a confrontation. So we see a ship,

0:59:19.200 --> 0:59:21.800
<v Speaker 1>presumably at first the ship on which our heroes are

0:59:21.840 --> 0:59:24.680
<v Speaker 1>being held prisoner, and the bearded sea captain he's leaning

0:59:24.680 --> 0:59:27.320
<v Speaker 1>over the side and they the people on this ship

0:59:27.600 --> 0:59:30.880
<v Speaker 1>are staring down a battleship with is like a naval

0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:34.840
<v Speaker 1>destroyer with big long guns trained on them, and they're

0:59:34.880 --> 0:59:37.760
<v Speaker 1>sort of a bookish looking man with mutton chops, side

0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:40.440
<v Speaker 1>burns and a pipe. And he asks the captain can

0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:43.600
<v Speaker 1>they detain us? And the sea captain says, might makes right?

0:59:44.960 --> 0:59:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Was this phrase in your in your English dub it was, yes,

0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:51.080
<v Speaker 1>I do remember this part. And so the bookish man says, well,

0:59:51.080 --> 0:59:53.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have to go inform the count. So he does,

0:59:53.400 --> 0:59:56.120
<v Speaker 1>and we come to learn that this is Count arctic Gas,

0:59:56.360 --> 0:59:58.680
<v Speaker 1>the boss, the boss for whom everybody here on the

0:59:58.680 --> 1:00:02.280
<v Speaker 1>ship works. And uh so the ship is boarded by

1:00:02.280 --> 1:00:06.040
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of marines or French naval seamen. I don't

1:00:06.040 --> 1:00:07.840
<v Speaker 1>know what they're I think they're supposed to be French,

1:00:08.360 --> 1:00:10.800
<v Speaker 1>but there's some kind of authorities and they perform a search.

1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:14.320
<v Speaker 1>They look at a fancy captain's quarters, a lonely empty

1:00:14.400 --> 1:00:17.840
<v Speaker 1>hold full of rats and a few luggage bags, but

1:00:18.160 --> 1:00:20.800
<v Speaker 1>nothing to see here, so they leave, and then we

1:00:20.840 --> 1:00:23.440
<v Speaker 1>cut to a scene where Count arctic Gas and the

1:00:23.480 --> 1:00:26.520
<v Speaker 1>captain are talking and the Count is I thought this

1:00:26.600 --> 1:00:28.400
<v Speaker 1>was so funny, and I'm not sure what it means.

1:00:28.480 --> 1:00:32.080
<v Speaker 1>The Count is trying on top hat after top hat,

1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:36.240
<v Speaker 1>and in a full length mirror, NonStop top hats, and

1:00:36.280 --> 1:00:37.919
<v Speaker 1>you can see in the background he has a huge

1:00:37.920 --> 1:00:42.080
<v Speaker 1>steamer trunk full of more top hats. Oh yeah, yeah, Well,

1:00:42.280 --> 1:00:45.320
<v Speaker 1>I think this has some cinematic payoff in the in

1:00:45.360 --> 1:00:48.800
<v Speaker 1>the finale of the film as well. It does, so, yeah,

1:00:48.880 --> 1:00:51.000
<v Speaker 1>we associate him with I think this is supposed to

1:00:51.080 --> 1:00:53.560
<v Speaker 1>have something to do with the Count being vain, But

1:00:53.640 --> 1:00:57.240
<v Speaker 1>he's not just vain. He's arrogant and domineering because he

1:00:57.280 --> 1:01:00.840
<v Speaker 1>also humiliates the grizzled sea captain. He forces him to

1:01:00.960 --> 1:01:05.000
<v Speaker 1>address him as your excellency when posing a question. Yeah,

1:01:05.000 --> 1:01:07.280
<v Speaker 1>he's a bad dude. So after this we have a

1:01:07.320 --> 1:01:11.480
<v Speaker 1>couple of mysteries raised. So the ship continues to sail ahead.

1:01:11.560 --> 1:01:14.560
<v Speaker 1>We see it sailing even though it's sales are furled.

1:01:14.600 --> 1:01:18.160
<v Speaker 1>How is that possible? What is driving the ship? And uh?

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<v Speaker 1>And if Simon Harden Professor are on board, if they

1:01:21.040 --> 1:01:25.000
<v Speaker 1>have been kidnapped, how come the marines did not find them? Well,

1:01:25.040 --> 1:01:27.960
<v Speaker 1>the answer to these two questions is the same revelation.

1:01:28.520 --> 1:01:31.120
<v Speaker 1>The ship above the waves is only half of a

1:01:31.160 --> 1:01:35.320
<v Speaker 1>two part system. Below there is a great submarine towing

1:01:35.360 --> 1:01:38.680
<v Speaker 1>the ship along, and it is down on the submarine

1:01:38.720 --> 1:01:41.800
<v Speaker 1>where our heroes are kept. So here we get a

1:01:41.840 --> 1:01:44.480
<v Speaker 1>meeting between Professor, Roach and Count. Are two gas on

1:01:44.520 --> 1:01:47.240
<v Speaker 1>the submarine, and this is the first scene where we

1:01:47.280 --> 1:01:51.320
<v Speaker 1>will see a sort of tableau or display of marine

1:01:51.360 --> 1:01:55.200
<v Speaker 1>life behind the human drama. So they are in the

1:01:55.800 --> 1:01:58.320
<v Speaker 1>in the I don't know what you call the parlor,

1:01:58.400 --> 1:02:01.919
<v Speaker 1>the I don't know, the drawing or something of the ship,

1:02:02.000 --> 1:02:03.920
<v Speaker 1>and there's a big display window and we see all

1:02:03.960 --> 1:02:09.320
<v Speaker 1>the fish and everything outside, marvelously animated fishes and octopus,

1:02:09.360 --> 1:02:12.480
<v Speaker 1>and uh, Professor Roach wants to know, Hey, why the kidnapping.

1:02:12.480 --> 1:02:16.080
<v Speaker 1>What's going on here? And we we learned that basically,

1:02:16.120 --> 1:02:18.680
<v Speaker 1>the count just wanted to give the professor a research grant,

1:02:18.720 --> 1:02:22.480
<v Speaker 1>a non consensual research and this is the best way

1:02:22.520 --> 1:02:25.080
<v Speaker 1>he could figure out how to do it. So because

1:02:25.120 --> 1:02:27.160
<v Speaker 1>of his submarine, he says he is the master of

1:02:27.200 --> 1:02:30.080
<v Speaker 1>all the oceans, kind of Captain Nemo Wish once again.

1:02:30.840 --> 1:02:35.440
<v Speaker 1>And he says he has access to untold riches because

1:02:36.000 --> 1:02:41.439
<v Speaker 1>the sea claims all lost ships, including the treasures they carry.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we look out the window and we see

1:02:44.200 --> 1:02:48.000
<v Speaker 1>the shipwrecks spread out across the ocean floor, and the

1:02:48.000 --> 1:02:51.720
<v Speaker 1>ocean is just littered with them like trees in a forest.

1:02:52.280 --> 1:02:55.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh and I loved this this image. It suggests something

1:02:55.640 --> 1:02:58.760
<v Speaker 1>about um like the world in which this takes place,

1:02:58.840 --> 1:03:02.400
<v Speaker 1>there's almost kind of just an infinite past where ships

1:03:02.440 --> 1:03:06.280
<v Speaker 1>have been sinking for for millions and millions of years,

1:03:06.320 --> 1:03:09.480
<v Speaker 1>taking gold and treasures with them, and now the whole

1:03:09.560 --> 1:03:13.320
<v Speaker 1>seafloor is nothing but shipwrecks. Yeah, I love this. I

1:03:13.400 --> 1:03:15.920
<v Speaker 1>love the way they create this world. But also I

1:03:15.960 --> 1:03:18.720
<v Speaker 1>love this, uh this idea. It's like, hey, you know,

1:03:19.040 --> 1:03:21.520
<v Speaker 1>all the they're all these uh these shipwrecks out there,

1:03:21.520 --> 1:03:23.600
<v Speaker 1>and if if there's a shipwreck, then we can take

1:03:23.600 --> 1:03:26.280
<v Speaker 1>advantage of it. And of course the there's going to

1:03:26.360 --> 1:03:30.280
<v Speaker 1>be an added detail to this arrangement as well. Right,

1:03:30.320 --> 1:03:32.200
<v Speaker 1>you kind of get the sense that maybe he's already

1:03:32.200 --> 1:03:36.680
<v Speaker 1>been to all of the pre existing shipwrecks. Um, so

1:03:36.920 --> 1:03:39.800
<v Speaker 1>what do you do when funds start running out after that? Well,

1:03:39.920 --> 1:03:44.440
<v Speaker 1>you make new shipwrecks. Exactly. So, the Count wants to

1:03:44.560 --> 1:03:48.080
<v Speaker 1>help the Professor finish his research on the great explosive

1:03:48.120 --> 1:03:51.640
<v Speaker 1>device from the novel The Full Garad or whatever. Um,

1:03:51.680 --> 1:03:55.080
<v Speaker 1>surely because he too is only interested in chemical reactions,

1:03:55.120 --> 1:03:59.479
<v Speaker 1>not practical applications. And uh so he oh, he also

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<v Speaker 1>informs Professor he has constructed an underwater city called back Cup.

1:04:04.840 --> 1:04:07.600
<v Speaker 1>In my translation, I didn't know if that was supposed

1:04:07.640 --> 1:04:10.040
<v Speaker 1>to be a joke. I don't remember what they called

1:04:10.040 --> 1:04:13.520
<v Speaker 1>it in the version I watched, anyway. So while that's

1:04:13.520 --> 1:04:16.440
<v Speaker 1>going on with the professor, he's being sort of seduced

1:04:16.480 --> 1:04:20.880
<v Speaker 1>by the promise of of unlimited funding to continue his research.

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<v Speaker 1>Simon Hart is in a jail cell on the submarine

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<v Speaker 1>and he's not he's not being tricked into thinking that

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<v Speaker 1>this is a benign arrangement. He's like rattling the bars

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<v Speaker 1>of his cage. He's saying, what right do you have

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<v Speaker 1>to hold me here? And the count comes in and,

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<v Speaker 1>echoing an earlier phrase by the sea captain, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>might makes rights or so this is the point of

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<v Speaker 1>view of the villains that it is the right of

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<v Speaker 1>the strong to rule over the week. So we learned

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<v Speaker 1>the names of some characters we've seen before, the grizzled

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<v Speaker 1>sea captains, captain's uh Spade or Captain Slade. I may

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<v Speaker 1>have said Slade earlier, but I think it's Spade Um

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<v Speaker 1>and the the bookish man with burns as Mr Circo,

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<v Speaker 1>who is going to be working alongside the professor to

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<v Speaker 1>complete his invention. And coming up here we get a

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<v Speaker 1>scene where's there's the payoff? We were saying about you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, what about when you run out of shipwrecks

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<v Speaker 1>to raid. Uh. So the submarine attacks a defenseless merchant

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<v Speaker 1>ship that has been becalmed in the middle of the sea,

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<v Speaker 1>so much like leagues, sort of rams it with the

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<v Speaker 1>pointy bow of the submarine, jabs a hole in the

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<v Speaker 1>ship's hull and then sinks it. And there's a great

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<v Speaker 1>preparation scene that keeps intercutting between the pistons pumping and

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<v Speaker 1>the submarines engine room and the pirates all sharpening their

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<v Speaker 1>swords in unison. Yeahup there getting ready for the Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>that the impact and the and the following raid. This

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<v Speaker 1>whole sequence is just amazing, wonderful. So I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>at first when they're sharpening their swords, I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so are they going to like to aboard the boat?

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<v Speaker 1>But no, instead they're preparing for a dive walk. The

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<v Speaker 1>dive walk scene is such a treat. I just watch

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<v Speaker 1>this all day. So the the pirates dawn old fashioned

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<v Speaker 1>heavy metal diving helmets, gonna you know, BioShock style, and

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<v Speaker 1>uh they go out and walk along the sea floor

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<v Speaker 1>to explore the fresh ship wreckage, and there's just sea

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<v Speaker 1>life of ridiculous dimensions. They're riding these sort of deep

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<v Speaker 1>sea bicycles, like these powered craft that they peddle on.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's this again a combination of hand drawn animation,

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<v Speaker 1>live action stop motion. Also it's all coming together. There

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<v Speaker 1>are divers versus sharks. There is a couple of the

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<v Speaker 1>pirates get into a deep sea sword fight over I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're trying to take the treasure for themselves. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a great part where yeah, they're the two pirates.

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<v Speaker 1>They get into a squabble, they start sword fighting, which

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<v Speaker 1>is just a comedic vision anyway. Um, and then another

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<v Speaker 1>pirate comes along on one of those little deep sea bicycles.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a shotgun in his hand, but he gets

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<v Speaker 1>them to stop by ringing a bicycle bell like thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, okay, all right, and they cut it

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<v Speaker 1>out and they get back to work. So all the

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<v Speaker 1>treasure is removed from the merchant ship. Uh. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, they go out of their way to keep

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<v Speaker 1>the Professor in the dark about this. They don't want

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<v Speaker 1>him realizing that they're sinking ships on purpose. So when

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<v Speaker 1>the attack is about to begin, count ourt to gases, like, professor,

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<v Speaker 1>would you like to go inside for a snack? So

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<v Speaker 1>they go down to the I guess the soundproof snack room.

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<v Speaker 1>But whoops, they failed to keep him completely in the dark,

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<v Speaker 1>because when the Professor comes back out on board, he

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<v Speaker 1>hears somebody calling for help, and it turns out there

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<v Speaker 1>was a survivor of the shipwreck. Uh. There is a

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<v Speaker 1>passenger floating in the water and they are forced to

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<v Speaker 1>rescue her. Now, this is a woman named Yanna. This

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<v Speaker 1>is someone who we saw earlier during the attack, very

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<v Speaker 1>efficiently releasing her cage to birds. She's like opening the

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<v Speaker 1>doors on multiple cages and letting the birds fly away.

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<v Speaker 1>Do do do do do? Hey, folks, if anything sounds different,

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<v Speaker 1>we just had to take a break in the recording here,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're back to continue talking about the movie. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're the same people we were before the break. Okay, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>So picking up where we left off, The next thing

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<v Speaker 1>is an arrival at a mysterious island. I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is back Cup uh, And actually it turns out this

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<v Speaker 1>island is a volcano, and it looks like the volcano

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<v Speaker 1>is active. There is black smoke pouring out of the top,

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<v Speaker 1>but the Count assures the Professor the smoke is actually

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<v Speaker 1>from his factories. Oh good, Uh, So there is an

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<v Speaker 1>undersea tunnel, we learned, and through the undersea tunnel, the

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<v Speaker 1>submarine can access the Count's pirates citadel. So you go

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<v Speaker 1>through the tunnel and there's a weird fish swimming around,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you come up and there is a gloomy

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<v Speaker 1>lagoon and Simon Hart's narration says, are too gass satanic

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<v Speaker 1>mills spewed clouds of oily black fumes that floated over

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<v Speaker 1>the caldera like a threat of inevitable eruption. What is

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<v Speaker 1>it with megalomaniac villains holding up in active volcanoes? Because

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<v Speaker 1>Minos did it in the Hercules movie. We watched Blowfield

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<v Speaker 1>does it in uh the James Bond films. Oh that's yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh certainly I think you only lived twice. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's Donald pleasants as Blowfeld. Um, that's the one where

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<v Speaker 1>he's got the piranha pit. But anyway, also in this lagoon, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the castle of Count art Gas looms over the lagoon,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh we learned that he is the pirate king

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<v Speaker 1>of the modern age. So here at the lagoon we

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<v Speaker 1>have several arrangements. Simon Hart is kept in a dilapidated

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<v Speaker 1>shock while the professor is sent to the laboratory to

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<v Speaker 1>continue his research, and it seems like they've got Simon

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<v Speaker 1>Hart sort of as backup because he was the professor's assistant.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like, hey, if the prop can't get it done,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get this young whipper snapper on the case and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see if he can, you know, create the super weapon.

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<v Speaker 1>The shack still looks fabulous though, because it is rendered

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<v Speaker 1>in the same style as everything in this film. I

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<v Speaker 1>love the shock. Yeah. So we see the professor doing

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<v Speaker 1>science while art of Gas and his cronies look on.

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<v Speaker 1>There's like a glowing flask and you know, is bubbling

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<v Speaker 1>with with fog coming out of it and so forth,

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<v Speaker 1>and the professor says that he is going to discover

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<v Speaker 1>the secretive matter and then they're like okay, and then

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<v Speaker 1>what um. Meanwhile, Jana from the shipwreck she is now

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<v Speaker 1>working in the professor's lab and she asks him about

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<v Speaker 1>his experiments and he says there is great energy locked

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<v Speaker 1>within matter and he is learning how to release it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that energy could be used to power lights or

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<v Speaker 1>heat homes. But ultimately he says he's only interested in

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<v Speaker 1>unlocking the knowledge how it should be used is quote

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<v Speaker 1>for technicians and others to decide, again playing with the

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<v Speaker 1>theme that this this scientist is disavowing all responsibility to

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<v Speaker 1>consider practical implications. He only wants the raw knowledge. Mean,

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<v Speaker 1>while they're trying to get Simon Hart to do some

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<v Speaker 1>research for him as well. They they want him to

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<v Speaker 1>do heavier than air flying machines, but he refuses, and

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<v Speaker 1>at first the professor he's like, you know, the Professor

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<v Speaker 1>will never do your bidding. He's not going to make

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<v Speaker 1>a super explosive for you. But then in the narration

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<v Speaker 1>he remembers, but oh, the Professor is as trusting as

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<v Speaker 1>a child. He probably will do it now. I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is somewhat that this is a difference between the

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<v Speaker 1>professor in the book facing the Flag versus in this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in the book the professor is more kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like bitter and seemingly willing to um to work

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<v Speaker 1>along with the criminals at least for the time being,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the movie he's presented more as just like

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<v Speaker 1>not understanding who these people are, what he's working on, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just so focused on the scientific achievement and the mystery

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<v Speaker 1>and the challenge of the thing, without thinking really and

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<v Speaker 1>refusing to really consider the practical applications, especially by a

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<v Speaker 1>pirate king. Right, So, uh, Simon Hart figures out what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on that that the professor is going to build

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<v Speaker 1>a super weapon obliviously for the pirate king and his

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<v Speaker 1>band of criminals. It's got to be stopped. So he

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<v Speaker 1>attempts to warn mankind about this with a note attached

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<v Speaker 1>to a balloon. And so he like loads up this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of leather lined flask with a with a handwritten note,

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<v Speaker 1>attaches it to a hot air I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it's a hot air balloon. It's a balloon of some

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<v Speaker 1>kind that he manufactures in his laboratory, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>launches it off the island and then there's this whole

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<v Speaker 1>word going out sequence that is so beautiful, like the

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<v Speaker 1>letters somehow reaches some major metropolitan center, maybe it's supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be Paris or something, and then we see it

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<v Speaker 1>just being like transmitted all over the world, like a

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<v Speaker 1>message in the bottle that is addressed to the United

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<v Speaker 1>Nations and it's promptly delivered. Again, coming back to that

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<v Speaker 1>theme of like the world responds. Uh, And I've got

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<v Speaker 1>some thoughts on that in just a minute. But first, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there there is a part where uh Simon Hart also

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<v Speaker 1>tries to get in touch with the professor by attaching

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<v Speaker 1>a note to a toy vote and sending it across

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<v Speaker 1>the lagoon to Jana so that maybe she'll deliver it

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<v Speaker 1>to the professor. Meanwhile, there is a movie night scene

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<v Speaker 1>that is absolutely wonderful. So count Arctic Gas and his

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<v Speaker 1>cronies get some film reels delivered to the island, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's showing. First of all, there's like a newsreel

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<v Speaker 1>report that that's letting them know, Hey, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole world knows that you're doing experiments on this

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<v Speaker 1>island now because somebody warned them, and now they are.

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<v Speaker 1>They're putting soldiers on top of camels riding roller skates

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<v Speaker 1>to come get you. But funny enough, it doesn't stop

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<v Speaker 1>with the news reel. We also get a reel called

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<v Speaker 1>Sport that is just showing musclemen of the world doing

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<v Speaker 1>muscle things. And so they're they're just watching various projected

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<v Speaker 1>reels and then the projector catches on fire. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>quite sure why it happens, but it's very funny. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I found this very amusing. And again this has to

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<v Speaker 1>be intentional on the part of the filmmaker here, because

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<v Speaker 1>in this movie and in the context of this film,

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<v Speaker 1>all manner of technological dreams are possible and achievable and

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<v Speaker 1>realized to a very high degree. You know that the

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<v Speaker 1>air is full of flying machines, space may have flying

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<v Speaker 1>machines in them, and ships are sailing beneath the waves. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>all this works very well except for film, which is

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<v Speaker 1>clearly messy, dangerous, and prone to failure. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's interesting and perhaps insightful commentary coming from such

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<v Speaker 1>an accomplished filmmaker. Um like Carol's Aiman. Yes that I

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<v Speaker 1>think that subtext may in fact be there. That that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>So the next big thing that happens is that Simon

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<v Speaker 1>Hart gets sent underwater in a diving suit to fix

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<v Speaker 1>a problem with the cable connecting the island to the

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<v Speaker 1>outside world. And uh, there's a great moment in the

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<v Speaker 1>scene where he gets like he gets assigned to this job.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess he volunteers for it, but he gets assigned

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<v Speaker 1>this job by Mr Circo, the the scientist who works

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<v Speaker 1>for Ourt of Gas, the guy with the mutton chops

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<v Speaker 1>and the and the glasses and uh. In that scene,

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Circo is like sitting at a desk in a

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<v Speaker 1>cave working on some paperwork, and there's a part with

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<v Speaker 1>this giant steam powered like I don't know what you call,

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<v Speaker 1>like a crane or a bulldozer type machine hands him

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<v Speaker 1>a pen. So the dispatcher said, something's wrong with Dina cobble,

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<v Speaker 1>and so Simon Hart is going to use this and

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<v Speaker 1>as an excuse to explore the tunnel leading to the

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<v Speaker 1>outside world, because of course he wants to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of there. Once again, we get an absolutely fabulous underwater

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<v Speaker 1>sort of dive walk sequence that that has a giant

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<v Speaker 1>octopus or squid attack in it. It's not exactly clear.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see squid there. There's a big like

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<v Speaker 1>ink squirting scene at the end of the fight, but

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<v Speaker 1>it also kind of looks octopusy. I'm not sure what

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<v Speaker 1>they're going for here, but there is a there is

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<v Speaker 1>a cephalopod versus diver squabble. Now is this the scene

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<v Speaker 1>where he fights it with an axe? I think so, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when he defeats it, there's like this big

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<v Speaker 1>ink cloud that billows up from where he chopped it.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is in the background to the diver, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a very I mean, the whole sequence is amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>but the scene too is just just excellent. The stills

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<v Speaker 1>you can you can freeze on, Yeah, really good. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's one little detail I loved here where uh, Simon

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<v Speaker 1>Hart has to keep track of how much oxygen he

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<v Speaker 1>has and and it's running out, so he keeps track

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<v Speaker 1>of it by looking at a watch, but of course,

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<v Speaker 1>you know his watch is not gonna work underwater, so

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<v Speaker 1>he has a watch inside a bottle, yes, like a

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<v Speaker 1>cork on top. But then he does run out of oxygen,

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<v Speaker 1>so as he's trying to escape, his tank runs low,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he becomes very fatigued, and he lays down

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<v Speaker 1>on the ocean floor as if maybe to die, and

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<v Speaker 1>we see some visions he's having or something where the

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<v Speaker 1>fish are transforming into butterflies underneath the waves. Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is beautiful, uh and and and very probably even more

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<v Speaker 1>dream like than than everything already has. But of course

1:17:09.720 --> 1:17:13.040
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, a vision he's deprived of oxygen. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the fish come together and they act like

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing that sort of you know, fish kiss kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a thing, which isn't actually a kiss. But but

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<v Speaker 1>then they keep moving into each other until only their

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<v Speaker 1>tales are visible, and though each tail forms a wing

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<v Speaker 1>of the butterfly. I'm not sure if that's uh that

1:17:29.280 --> 1:17:33.280
<v Speaker 1>is accurately recreating the image in your head, listener, but

1:17:33.800 --> 1:17:37.600
<v Speaker 1>you need to see it. It's gorgeous, it's sublime. And

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<v Speaker 1>then out of nowhere, he has brought on board a

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<v Speaker 1>submarine and saved just when you think he's going to die.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's going on here? Well, the crew of the

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<v Speaker 1>submarine inform him, They say, you were among friends, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>And we see a newspaper that with a headline that

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<v Speaker 1>says world powers unite to combat invention for destruction. So

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<v Speaker 1>the world got his note and the world responded. And

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<v Speaker 1>I love something about this, and I think it's worth

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<v Speaker 1>having a brief sub discussion about this being indicative of

1:18:09.560 --> 1:18:14.280
<v Speaker 1>an unusual outlook in in a lot in film in general,

1:18:14.320 --> 1:18:17.720
<v Speaker 1>but one that's more characteristic of Jules Verne. As we

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<v Speaker 1>were saying earlier, I would contrast this with the exact

1:18:21.560 --> 1:18:26.000
<v Speaker 1>opposite trope that we often see in horror movies, where

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<v Speaker 1>the outside world is anything but helpful. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>are in a horror movie and you're running from anything

1:18:33.520 --> 1:18:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Wherewolf Jason vorhees whatever, and you run into anything representing

1:18:38.800 --> 1:18:41.320
<v Speaker 1>structures of authority on the outside, you run into a cop.

1:18:41.840 --> 1:18:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Is that cop going to be able to help you? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously not. Never happens. I mean of the time, it

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<v Speaker 1>does not happen in a horror movie. No external authorities, institutions,

1:18:54.040 --> 1:18:57.120
<v Speaker 1>or people in general are going to be of assistance.

1:18:57.240 --> 1:19:00.240
<v Speaker 1>You are on your own in escaping or defeat being

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<v Speaker 1>the monster. And in fact, if the world finds out

1:19:03.560 --> 1:19:07.240
<v Speaker 1>about your situation, they will often make things harder for you.

1:19:07.320 --> 1:19:09.439
<v Speaker 1>They will they'll say like, oh, you're crazy. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're lying about what's going on. They'll try to blame

1:19:11.880 --> 1:19:15.479
<v Speaker 1>you for what's happening. But this is a totally different

1:19:15.560 --> 1:19:19.960
<v Speaker 1>vision the world. Here's about this ongoing tragedy. And the

1:19:20.000 --> 1:19:25.360
<v Speaker 1>world responds they like put the scientific and technological machinery

1:19:25.479 --> 1:19:30.080
<v Speaker 1>of the entire planet into overdrive to develop submarines to

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<v Speaker 1>go confront ourt to Gas to stop him from creating

1:19:33.360 --> 1:19:37.080
<v Speaker 1>a super weapon. Yeah, this is it is interesting to

1:19:37.120 --> 1:19:39.560
<v Speaker 1>think about this because you can you can almost go

1:19:39.720 --> 1:19:42.880
<v Speaker 1>like movie to movie. Um. Yeah, and of course you

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<v Speaker 1>can look to to really crucial examples of this trope

1:19:46.720 --> 1:19:49.799
<v Speaker 1>of the world outside world and outside authority being unable

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<v Speaker 1>to help. I guess Psycho being a very influential example

1:19:52.840 --> 1:19:57.400
<v Speaker 1>of that. Uh that the your your rescuer is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be able to save you, yum, and then

1:20:01.520 --> 1:20:03.320
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna and and so. So it's often like a

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<v Speaker 1>situation of Okay, this movie is to some degree saying

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<v Speaker 1>like this part of society is unable to help with

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<v Speaker 1>this scenario. But then who is the person who can

1:20:12.400 --> 1:20:14.960
<v Speaker 1>or is there someone who can at all? And then

1:20:15.000 --> 1:20:17.720
<v Speaker 1>sometimes films kind of buck that a bit, like I

1:20:17.760 --> 1:20:21.000
<v Speaker 1>instantly think of an American Werewolf in London, where um,

1:20:21.080 --> 1:20:24.040
<v Speaker 1>ultimately that's that's a movie that kind of maybe is

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<v Speaker 1>a little retro in the way you're act you actually

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<v Speaker 1>deal with the creature at the end, because I believe

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<v Speaker 1>the authority shoot it in Mali, if I remember correctly,

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<v Speaker 1>which kind of feels like a throwback in that regard,

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<v Speaker 1>but also is kind of subverting the idea that a

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<v Speaker 1>problem of this magnitude is something that we can handle

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<v Speaker 1>on our own. Well, yes, But also I would say

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<v Speaker 1>in the cases of horror movies where like say the

1:20:45.320 --> 1:20:49.280
<v Speaker 1>cops shoot the monster or something. Almost all of those

1:20:49.320 --> 1:20:51.120
<v Speaker 1>that I can think of. It's actually kind of a

1:20:51.160 --> 1:20:54.280
<v Speaker 1>tragic story where the monster is someone that is like,

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<v Speaker 1>actually is the main character, or is a character you

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<v Speaker 1>feel pity for. That's right, I mean, that's the actually

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<v Speaker 1>the case of American Werewolf. We'll have to keep this

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<v Speaker 1>in our heads because I'm sure some some some exceptions

1:21:06.040 --> 1:21:08.479
<v Speaker 1>and other notable examples will come to mind. I know

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<v Speaker 1>there's got to be at least some awkward horror film

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<v Speaker 1>out there from perhaps the nineteen fifties, in which the

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<v Speaker 1>police show up and nobly shoot at a monster to

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<v Speaker 1>death for which you have no feelings or a sympathy.

1:21:22.920 --> 1:21:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh well, you know, I mean it certainly, haven I

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<v Speaker 1>think there are a lot of fifties movies like that.

1:21:27.040 --> 1:21:30.559
<v Speaker 1>It didn't Tarantula basically in that way. Oh yeah, Tarantula basically, yeah,

1:21:30.640 --> 1:21:32.960
<v Speaker 1>you don't. We don't feel anything for the tarantula. And

1:21:32.960 --> 1:21:35.120
<v Speaker 1>they were just like, yep, the military's here. Clint Easwood

1:21:35.160 --> 1:21:39.080
<v Speaker 1>just flew in in a jet. It's taking care of yeah. Anyway,

1:21:39.120 --> 1:21:41.320
<v Speaker 1>So to come back to the plot, so this submarine

1:21:41.400 --> 1:21:44.920
<v Speaker 1>sent by the world is is attacked. However, there's a

1:21:44.960 --> 1:21:48.920
<v Speaker 1>submarine battle and the Count's submarine skewers, it pokes a

1:21:48.960 --> 1:21:52.280
<v Speaker 1>big hole in the side, and then, uh, basically I

1:21:52.320 --> 1:21:55.720
<v Speaker 1>think everyone inside parishes except Simon Hart. He survives and

1:21:55.760 --> 1:21:59.080
<v Speaker 1>he comes ashore, and from there he climbs a tower

1:21:59.280 --> 1:22:02.800
<v Speaker 1>inside the goon and comes into Janna's window, and so

1:22:02.920 --> 1:22:06.680
<v Speaker 1>here Simon Hart and Yanna become a team. They team up,

1:22:06.680 --> 1:22:09.679
<v Speaker 1>and Simon reveals to her that the men who saved

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<v Speaker 1>her life are not actually so nice. Uh. They saved

1:22:12.600 --> 1:22:15.160
<v Speaker 1>her life when her ship sank, but they were also

1:22:15.360 --> 1:22:18.040
<v Speaker 1>the very people who sank it. And now they are

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<v Speaker 1>planning something even more diabolical and evil crime of global proportions,

1:22:23.080 --> 1:22:25.720
<v Speaker 1>and only the Professor can stop it. So they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to team up to try to get to the Professor

1:22:28.120 --> 1:22:32.720
<v Speaker 1>to make him not create the what's the flu Fu

1:22:32.920 --> 1:22:36.000
<v Speaker 1>flu Glorator or whatever it is. In the subtitles of

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<v Speaker 1>the movie, they were calling it the super Gun. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a supergun filled with the Professor's new explosive. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it might be were too loosely think of this as

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<v Speaker 1>atomic weaponry, right, And they reveal the new soldiers of

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<v Speaker 1>the Count's Super Gun Army, which they look quite terrifying.

1:22:53.600 --> 1:22:56.840
<v Speaker 1>They're wearing these dark suits and gas masks, and they

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<v Speaker 1>are loaded down with so much technology that they look

1:23:00.960 --> 1:23:04.679
<v Speaker 1>like Jacob Marley, like wrapped round and round with chains

1:23:04.720 --> 1:23:07.280
<v Speaker 1>and metal boxes. So when they walk through the rooms,

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<v Speaker 1>they're kind of clanking and dragging all of this equipment

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<v Speaker 1>with them. Yeah, they're kind of like verns in Stormtroopers

1:23:14.800 --> 1:23:19.400
<v Speaker 1>or something. Yeah, and uh so what's going to happen here? Well, uh,

1:23:19.439 --> 1:23:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Simon Hart and Yanna have an idea. They do a

1:23:21.800 --> 1:23:25.000
<v Speaker 1>classic James Bond style uniform swipes. So they beat up

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of the Supergun Army soldiers, they steal their

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<v Speaker 1>outfits and they use that to sneak on board the

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<v Speaker 1>the Count's air balloon, which I think the Hot air

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<v Speaker 1>Balloon was supposed to be used to drop bombs on

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<v Speaker 1>the ships that are coming to rescue them. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. Yes. Anyway, everything comes down to a big

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<v Speaker 1>fight at the island. The warships are incoming, the world

1:23:49.200 --> 1:23:52.040
<v Speaker 1>is coming to the rescue. The Count's forces are getting

1:23:52.080 --> 1:23:55.799
<v Speaker 1>ready to attack via Supergun and via the Hot air Balloon,

1:23:56.120 --> 1:23:58.360
<v Speaker 1>but of course our heroes steal the Hot air balloon

1:23:58.840 --> 1:24:01.560
<v Speaker 1>um in the battle. This is the scene where the

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<v Speaker 1>Count is shooting at the hot air balloon with like

1:24:03.840 --> 1:24:09.080
<v Speaker 1>a musket pistol that is also a wind up machine gun. Yes, yes,

1:24:09.120 --> 1:24:12.520
<v Speaker 1>that was fabulous. And at the very last the Professor

1:24:13.000 --> 1:24:16.080
<v Speaker 1>realizes what is happening. He comes to his senses and

1:24:16.120 --> 1:24:18.800
<v Speaker 1>he's like, oh, the people I'm working for are the

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<v Speaker 1>bad guys. And so he sabotages his own invention by

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<v Speaker 1>causing an explosive shell to fall off a cliff. It detonates,

1:24:26.880 --> 1:24:30.519
<v Speaker 1>it destroys the entire island, including himself, the Count, all

1:24:30.560 --> 1:24:34.719
<v Speaker 1>of the Count's cronies and his armies and uh and Simon,

1:24:34.760 --> 1:24:37.200
<v Speaker 1>Hard and Yanna escape in the hot air balloon and

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<v Speaker 1>they sort of float off, almost float into the sun. Oh.

1:24:41.120 --> 1:24:42.880
<v Speaker 1>And one of the last things we get when the

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<v Speaker 1>island explodes as we see a top hat going sky high.

1:24:46.880 --> 1:24:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Nice the top hat came back. Um. This this whole

1:24:51.280 --> 1:24:54.680
<v Speaker 1>scene with the Professor having a change of heart and realizing,

1:24:54.800 --> 1:24:57.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, what he has wrought and to a certain

1:24:57.040 --> 1:24:59.479
<v Speaker 1>degree kind of like being like, oops, I almost became

1:24:59.479 --> 1:25:02.040
<v Speaker 1>death of his way of worlds. Maybe I shouldn't do that, um,

1:25:02.120 --> 1:25:04.880
<v Speaker 1>and trying to decide to take a step backwards. Um,

1:25:05.160 --> 1:25:08.320
<v Speaker 1>it's it's really well executed though, Like it's it's nicely

1:25:08.360 --> 1:25:12.320
<v Speaker 1>framed and shot with him approaching the weapon, climbing up

1:25:12.320 --> 1:25:14.320
<v Speaker 1>on the weapon and then you know, Knox this uh

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know, atomic shell off and lets it roll

1:25:17.880 --> 1:25:21.200
<v Speaker 1>down to to destroy everything. But yeah, it's it's really

1:25:21.200 --> 1:25:24.519
<v Speaker 1>it's really well done. It's a dramatic moment um that

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<v Speaker 1>it's easy. That's one of the things that it works.

1:25:27.560 --> 1:25:30.360
<v Speaker 1>So that's so impressive about this film is that it

1:25:30.400 --> 1:25:33.040
<v Speaker 1>can be so you know, kind of silly and dream

1:25:33.040 --> 1:25:35.960
<v Speaker 1>like and whimsical and so many of its visuals, and

1:25:36.080 --> 1:25:39.320
<v Speaker 1>yet it still can deliver some really great moments that

1:25:39.400 --> 1:25:41.720
<v Speaker 1>have a sense of drama and spectacle to them, like

1:25:41.760 --> 1:25:45.200
<v Speaker 1>this moment, the slaying of the squid, and other moments

1:25:45.200 --> 1:25:49.040
<v Speaker 1>throughout the film. Absolutely, and I also love the professor's

1:25:49.080 --> 1:25:52.080
<v Speaker 1>realization at the end, connecting to the theme of what

1:25:52.120 --> 1:25:54.719
<v Speaker 1>he's been talking about the entire time, with the knowledge

1:25:54.880 --> 1:25:58.000
<v Speaker 1>versus the practical application. I think his final moment is

1:25:58.040 --> 1:26:03.400
<v Speaker 1>he he realizes the only good practical application of his

1:26:03.479 --> 1:26:07.880
<v Speaker 1>invention is to destroy itself, is to erase itself from

1:26:07.960 --> 1:26:11.680
<v Speaker 1>existence so it cannot be used. Yeah, and then like

1:26:11.720 --> 1:26:14.600
<v Speaker 1>you said, they balloon off into the sun, like to

1:26:14.640 --> 1:26:17.040
<v Speaker 1>the point where my son walked in for the last

1:26:17.040 --> 1:26:18.880
<v Speaker 1>ten minutes of this film when I was watching it

1:26:19.320 --> 1:26:21.639
<v Speaker 1>yesterday and he's like, oh, now they're going into the sun,

1:26:21.880 --> 1:26:26.040
<v Speaker 1>and um, maybe he's been exposed too much ms tap,

1:26:26.120 --> 1:26:28.840
<v Speaker 1>but um I thought. I was like, no, no, don't

1:26:29.000 --> 1:26:31.160
<v Speaker 1>say that, don't ruin the nice moment. But then I'm like, yeah,

1:26:31.160 --> 1:26:33.200
<v Speaker 1>it does kind of look like they're going into the sun.

1:26:33.479 --> 1:26:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Well that that is what it looks like, but I

1:26:35.640 --> 1:26:39.000
<v Speaker 1>don't know, I kind of like that. I mean it symbolically, Yeah,

1:26:39.080 --> 1:26:43.400
<v Speaker 1>the ideas that they are going into the light. Yeah, yeah,

1:26:43.600 --> 1:26:45.960
<v Speaker 1>into into the future, into a better tomorrow. It's a

1:26:45.960 --> 1:26:51.160
<v Speaker 1>lot like the ending of Congo. Actually, yes, except there's

1:26:51.240 --> 1:26:53.679
<v Speaker 1>there's uh well no, no, the guerrilla wasn't on board

1:26:53.680 --> 1:26:57.080
<v Speaker 1>the balloon and Congo either, so yeah, the gorilla stays

1:26:57.120 --> 1:27:00.720
<v Speaker 1>behind too. Yeah, but they don't have Ernie Hudson. That's

1:27:00.760 --> 1:27:03.160
<v Speaker 1>really the only difference. If this film had Ernie Hudson

1:27:03.160 --> 1:27:06.080
<v Speaker 1>in it, it would basically be identical. God, I love Ernie.

1:27:06.200 --> 1:27:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah he's so good. Okay. One difference that I was

1:27:09.680 --> 1:27:13.200
<v Speaker 1>reading about between Invention for Destruction in the movie and

1:27:13.240 --> 1:27:16.040
<v Speaker 1>the novel Facing the Flag. They both have a professor

1:27:16.439 --> 1:27:19.360
<v Speaker 1>who creates a super weapon, is kidnapped by a pirate king,

1:27:19.720 --> 1:27:23.240
<v Speaker 1>and you know, goes through all this. But apparently in

1:27:23.320 --> 1:27:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the end of the novel Facing the Flag, the professor

1:27:26.640 --> 1:27:31.920
<v Speaker 1>initially allows his supergun, the full Garad or whatever, to

1:27:32.000 --> 1:27:36.360
<v Speaker 1>be used against a British warship that is coming to

1:27:36.400 --> 1:27:39.519
<v Speaker 1>the rescue of of his associates, and so, yeah, they're

1:27:39.520 --> 1:27:41.719
<v Speaker 1>they're turning the weapon on the British and he's like rock.

1:27:41.960 --> 1:27:45.960
<v Speaker 1>But when he sees a French warship approaching and sees

1:27:46.000 --> 1:27:49.720
<v Speaker 1>the French flag, his sense of patriotism because he is

1:27:49.760 --> 1:27:53.400
<v Speaker 1>French makes him makes him question his actions. And then

1:27:53.479 --> 1:27:55.599
<v Speaker 1>he has overcome with guilt and he says, I can't

1:27:55.600 --> 1:27:58.680
<v Speaker 1>turn this on a French ship. And so then he,

1:27:59.360 --> 1:28:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I guess distry roys his own creation or something like that,

1:28:02.040 --> 1:28:05.880
<v Speaker 1>turns against he no longer cooperates in some way. Um,

1:28:06.320 --> 1:28:08.639
<v Speaker 1>and I think that is a that is a far

1:28:09.360 --> 1:28:13.400
<v Speaker 1>less grand and less beautiful ending that I like the

1:28:13.479 --> 1:28:16.160
<v Speaker 1>change they made for the for the movie, Yeah, I

1:28:16.200 --> 1:28:18.880
<v Speaker 1>think so. I think it ultimately is a lot more

1:28:18.920 --> 1:28:23.200
<v Speaker 1>compelling and relatable because we have a have an individual

1:28:23.200 --> 1:28:27.080
<v Speaker 1>who is kind of oblivious to the impact of what

1:28:27.160 --> 1:28:30.479
<v Speaker 1>they're doing or how they view the world, and then

1:28:30.479 --> 1:28:33.519
<v Speaker 1>there is a revelation that like, no, no, this what

1:28:33.800 --> 1:28:36.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing does matter, what I'm not doing doesn't matter.

1:28:36.520 --> 1:28:38.799
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like that's something that even the average

1:28:38.800 --> 1:28:41.760
<v Speaker 1>person can relate to, you know, waking up to your

1:28:41.800 --> 1:28:45.880
<v Speaker 1>own role in something or place in something, or or

1:28:45.920 --> 1:28:48.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, or to realize that that not having having

1:28:48.760 --> 1:28:52.599
<v Speaker 1>an opinion and not acting that inaction is like making

1:28:52.600 --> 1:28:55.639
<v Speaker 1>a choice. Yeah. Yeah, So in the end, I'd say

1:28:55.680 --> 1:29:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Invention for Destruction one of my favorite movies we've done. Uh, beautiful,

1:29:01.080 --> 1:29:04.400
<v Speaker 1>truly a work of art and surprisingly profound for a

1:29:04.400 --> 1:29:08.000
<v Speaker 1>little sci fi adventure story. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like like I was telling you before

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<v Speaker 1>we recorded, sometimes you view a film and you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it's just a purely additive experience, Like that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen another film that was a lot of fun

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<v Speaker 1>or very enjoyable, very admirable, you know, even a great film. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the kind of film where once you see it,

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<v Speaker 1>you realize that you're not just it's not just additive,

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<v Speaker 1>You're filling in something that was missing in your your

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<v Speaker 1>appreciation of cinema. Yeah, yeah, so you know, three stars kidding,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, I don't get stars. It's almost as good

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<v Speaker 1>as Laser Blast. Yeah, no, no, it's it's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fun. Yeah again, high highly recommend this one. All Right,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna gohea and close the books here on Invention

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<v Speaker 1>for Destruction, but we'd love to hear from everyone out there.

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<v Speaker 1>you have a history with this film, etcetera. Right in

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<v Speaker 1>in the meantime, if you want to keep track of

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<v Speaker 1>all the other films, the the one hundred other films

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<v Speaker 1>them all at our letterbox page. That's l E T

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