1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 3: Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and Balck with you. 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Buck, have you you recovered a little bit from the frenzy, 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: from the free agency Frenzy. 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 4: DJs bananas. There's so much stuff that's going on that 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 4: you don't even know. And when you think about, like 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 4: being on the shows and talking about things as they're 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 4: going you look up like today and you're like, oh, man, 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 4: I didn't even know these guys are going to some 11 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 4: of these. 12 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: Places because there is a flurry of activity that you 13 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: just can't keep up with. 14 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, you miss it as you're going through it. 15 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: We haven't had a chance to get together and talk 16 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: about the Max Crosby thing since that went down and 17 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: then didn't go down. 18 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 4: Your hot boy, crazy, just crazy because like having been 19 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 4: in the league for so long, like you kind of 20 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 4: know a physical is a winking or not, Yeah we 21 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 4: like them, pass them through or whatever. Because at this time, 22 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 4: when you've been six seven years in the league, everyone 23 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 4: has some kind of ailment that you're dealing with. 24 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 3: I mean, it was known what his injury was and 25 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 3: what he was coming off and he's. 26 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 4: Coming off of surgery, so I just think it's a 27 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 4: little disingenuous to say, oh, none of the medical people 28 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 4: flagged him and those things like it was what it was, 29 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 4: particularly because the signing of mac Trade Hendrickson came so 30 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 4: shortly after that. 31 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: It just doesn't look good. It feels funny. 32 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 4: But I mean, look, man, that's the thing about the 33 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 4: tampering period that we have. It's unfortunate that we have 34 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 4: these things where we're talking about it like it's a 35 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 4: done deal, because it always can go around. We just 36 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 4: learned another hard lesson when we saw the Baltimore Ravens 37 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 4: back out. 38 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: What are your thoughts? 39 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you what. 40 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: I had a lot of phone calls from teams and 41 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: agents and I'm still waiting for the first one that 42 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: thought it was all good. It was just like there 43 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: are a lot of people like, that's just not how 44 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: you do business, man, Like that's not cool. And look, 45 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: I'm always of the opinion of I remember when being 46 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: in the draft room back in the day, and we'd 47 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: always say, hey, scout, scout coaches, coach, we let the 48 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: doctor's doctor. I'm not I'm not going to pretend you 49 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: know that I have all that information, and we can 50 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: say it's usually a wink and a nod, but maybe 51 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: it was just something so far beyond expectation that they 52 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: just couldn't go forward with it. I just know that 53 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: there is definitely a feeling around the league that is 54 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: not what it was. So that's but again, nobody has nobody's, 55 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: nobody's in the room. So I'm always I'm always cautious 56 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: to question someone's integrity when you're not there. But I 57 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: just there's a lot of people that are doing that. 58 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it just doesn't. It just isn't. It just doesn't 59 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: pass the smell test. 60 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 4: And they talked about a one to put both of 61 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 4: those guys together. 62 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: The reason why that would even. 63 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: Work from a financial standpoint, right, and they're going to 64 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: give a MAXIMU new deal on top of that. 65 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, And what I would say is the bad thing 66 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 4: and what I was worried about, there are a lot 67 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 4: of people that are affected by pulling out, like in 68 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 4: terms of pulling out of the deal, back and out 69 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 4: of the deal, Like, there was a lot of money 70 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 4: that was promised to people, and I was worried about 71 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 4: people potentially missing out because now when that Domino happens 72 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 4: everybody else. And so fortunately for the Raiders, all the 73 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 4: guys that committed to be Raiders for the deals that 74 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 4: they agree to were able to get paid. But this 75 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 4: could have been disastrous not only for the Raiders but 76 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 4: all the players that they targeted. I'm just glad that 77 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 4: they weren't infected, and so that's where I felt some 78 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 4: kind of way about the way that it went down. 79 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:21,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. 80 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: The other thing is interesting to me is if you 81 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: look at the Ravens for the last twenty years, Buck 82 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: and I have to go back the only player I 83 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: can say that's maybe more similar to Hendrickson, who's been 84 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: a sack artist. Right, He's been super productive, can rush 85 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: the past with no question about it. He's been awesome 86 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: in that regard. But in terms of a finesse he's 87 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: a finesse player. It is what it is. That's just 88 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: how he plays the game, Like Peter Bulwaer was that 89 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: way when I first got to the Ravens in two 90 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: thousand and three, but really since then, if you look 91 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: at you know, from Suggs and how heavy handed and 92 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: strong he was, and you start going through all of 93 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: the list of the guys from the Bud Dpreez to 94 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: the Paranell mcfees, to Matt Judon's to the you know, 95 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: even play with Kyle Van Noys like, these guys are 96 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: all heavy handed, firm edge setting guys. That's the you know, 97 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: that's what they've always had. That's to be honest. I 98 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: mean I was, you know, I've watch Jesse Menners defense. 99 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: That's what they played. What they need last year with 100 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: the Chargers, two leads back, firm strong. We're gonna play 101 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: two high safeties. We're gonna play light boxes. We better 102 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: have firm edges or that ain't gonna work. So I 103 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: don't like the Trey Hendrickson thing. That's not really their 104 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: typically their style of guide. Now what I've when we'll 105 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: get to it here in a minute. As we go 106 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: through this, we're gonna do a mock draft one through 107 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: fourteen and just kind of alternate and kind of kick 108 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: around maybe how free agency might have changed some things 109 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: in typical Ravens fashion. It's just like the Eagles, uh, 110 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: the little pixie dust and somehow ruben Bain will fall 111 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: to fourteen and they'll get that, they'll get that guy. 112 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: So maybe maybe that's what ends up happening. 113 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting, and we've talked about it. 114 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 4: Everybody kind of has a formula and a blueprint ask 115 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 4: work for them successfully over time. And when you talk 116 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 4: about the Ravens and the pass rushers, you talk about 117 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 4: bowl wear and sizzle and look daily Thomas and like, 118 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 4: for so long there was a type where you just knew, oh, 119 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 4: that's the mannequin that they're shopping off with this mannequin, 120 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 4: and you're right. They don't deal well with the finesse type, 121 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 4: the run around type. It has to be a heavy 122 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 4: handed power rusher that can set the edge. They overwhelm 123 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 4: you with their rugged power and those things. Max Crosby 124 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 4: certainly fit the bill. Trey Henderson is interesting because he's 125 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 4: a technician, but he's not necessarily a bull in a 126 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 4: China shop type, and so how do you reconfigure your 127 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 4: scheme or your system to fit him in there? And 128 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 4: then who's on the other side. It'd be interesting to 129 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 4: see how it plays out for them. But yeah, like 130 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 4: they get a really good pass rusher, but he's thirty one. 131 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 4: He's been super productive, But how long get thirty one 132 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 4: can you continue to deliver the results? Like this dude 133 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 4: is phenomenon I'm a Tree Hendrickson fan, like sixty one 134 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 4: sacks since twenty twenty one second in pressure rate at 135 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 4: thirteen percent, Like he is phenomenal. But the fit is everything, 136 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 4: And so how does jesse Miner utilize him to make 137 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 4: sure that he's playing to his strimps. 138 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it'll be interesting to see how it goes. 139 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: But I know on the Raiders side of things, you 140 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: look up with the pieces they added in, they hold 141 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: on to Max Crosby. If that's what ends up happening 142 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: and they don't end up trading them, that's a team 143 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: that won three games. Buck they're going to double their 144 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: wind hole. That's what's confident in saying at least they're 145 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: going to double their wind hole. There's not a lot more. 146 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 4: Well how about that, you know what, DJ That's almost 147 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 4: like the surprise at the bottom of the Cracker Jacks box, Right, 148 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 4: So you think Max Crosby going win this reveal, we 149 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 4: load up all these things, we give up, we get 150 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 4: to get back to picts and all that, and now, oh, 151 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 4: Max Crosby comes back. 152 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 2: So whatever you were thinking about getting, you actually. 153 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 4: Get a better version of it because we know what 154 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 4: Max Crosby is and a motivated Max Crosby, a guy 155 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 4: where they poked the bear a little bit. Oh you 156 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 4: like this, and I like the fact that these already 157 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 4: he said, no, no, no, no, I'm here. Yeah, like I'm 158 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 4: in the building, I'm here. Let's let's move forward and 159 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 4: let's move on. I think in a weird way, the 160 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 4: Raiders got better by the trade being Nicks. 161 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean what happens? I mean, can you imagine 162 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: what if Max? 163 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: Max goes out, stays healthy for seventeen weeks and has 164 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: like a seventeen eighteen SAX season. 165 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: Oh, I wouldn't look. 166 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 4: I wouldn't put it past him now, like everybody's looking. 167 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 4: You know, you've been around enough athletes. Everybody's looking for 168 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 4: something to have a chip on the show. So now 169 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 4: you go, You've given him, You've given him another reason 170 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 4: to kind of get going to decordinate as his former 171 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 4: D line coach. Yeah, I think I think this as 172 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 4: an opportunity to be a really good thing for the 173 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 4: Raiders as he moved forward. 174 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: All right, Buck, it's time for Hot or Not, brought 175 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: to you by with Sabby Hot Cloud Storage. I want 176 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on you know one team that 177 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: you look at could be one player, one team where 178 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: the fit you love and you think it absolutely could 179 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: take them to the next level. And what they were 180 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: looking for, I'll give you one. I'll start us off 181 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: and give you a second here. But I look at 182 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: Carolina and everything I told what they were shopping for. 183 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: They found, you know, Jalen Phillips coming in there, someone 184 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: who's going to compliment Nick Gorton on the other side, 185 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: someone who's got some real juice. And he made look, 186 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: he made the Eagles defense a whole lot better. I know, 187 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: the sacks weren't you know, weren't there but a ton 188 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: of pressure, a really good football player and the sending player. 189 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: I thought they went out and they paid top of market. 190 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: They lost Milton Williams last year in a bidding war 191 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: with the Patriots. They weren't about to lose this year 192 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: on Jalen Phillips, so they got that was a huge 193 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 1: need for them. I think that frees them up a 194 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: little bit in the draft, and then they go out 195 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: and get a linebacker that you're familiar with. They could 196 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: come in there and help them as well in Lloyd. 197 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: So to me, I like what they did. 198 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I really liked what he did, and I like 199 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 4: the team that put them out the l A Rams. 200 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 4: I like what they did. DJ I felt like and 201 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 4: we talked about it. I felt like the Rams were 202 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 4: the second or third best team in the league. Last 203 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 4: year the Seattle in the NFC Championship game, and it 204 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 4: was all on this secondary. 205 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: So what do you do. 206 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 4: You go address it first via trade with Trim McDuffie, 207 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 4: then you pay him. You go get Jalen Watkins to 208 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 4: compliment that you bring back Cam Curl. 209 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 2: You already have Quinton Lake in the. 210 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 4: Building, and quickly they have an experienced secondary that can 211 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 4: play the style that they want to play. And to me, 212 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 4: this helps them because as long as they have Matthew Stafford, 213 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 4: we know that they're going to score points on offense. 214 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 4: So on defense, they need to be a bend but 215 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 4: don't break. They need to have closes up front, which 216 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 4: they do, but they need to be able to keep 217 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 4: the ball in front. 218 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: A much better team. 219 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 4: And when you throw on the fact that Trent McDuffie 220 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 4: was coached by Jimmy Lake the entail and knowing how 221 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 4: to unlock even different levers to his game, the Rams 222 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 4: continue to impress when it comes to building a team. 223 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: I'm looking at their secondary right now, and you've got 224 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: Jalen Watson at one corner spot, Trent McDuffie at another, 225 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: You've got Cam Kitchens, Cam Curl, Quinton Lake. 226 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: Fuck, that's that's a secondary. We're laughing at it. The 227 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: end of the year. Last year, they can't stop anybody. 228 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 3: You look up. 229 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 1: Now, that's a darn good secondary. That's got a chance 230 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: to be one of the better secondaries in the league. 231 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 4: And what I love about it is di versatility. Not 232 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 4: only in market guys too. Yeah, not only in positional flex, 233 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 4: but in terms of technique diversity, being able to play press, 234 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 4: being able to play off man zone, vision and break 235 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 4: all of those things. You need different tools in the 236 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 4: toolbox as you're moving throughout the season and you play 237 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 4: these different matchups. 238 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: The Rams have that in the secondary, and as they're 239 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 2: chasing the. 240 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 4: Seattle Seahawks, they go need it because with Chihei coming back, 241 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 4: GSN being there, them looking to take their office to 242 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 4: another level, they needed to make sure they have enough 243 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 4: fire product matchup with the team that they have to 244 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 4: beat in their division. 245 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: Well, we're going to get to them in our mock draft. 246 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: We can go to fourteen picks and we'll do that 247 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: here in just a moment. But that was this week's 248 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: Hot or Not segment, brought to you by with Sabi 249 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: Hot Cloud Storage, store more and do more with your data. 250 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: Try them for free at with Sabi dot Com. Let's 251 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: take a break. We'll come back and have a little 252 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: fun with the monocraft right after this. All right, buck, 253 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: how you want to do this here? You want to 254 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: go first or second? What do you want to do? 255 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 2: Oh man, it's like like a church of skins. Let 256 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 2: me go first this time. I think you went first 257 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 2: last time. 258 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 4: I'm gonna take Fernando Mendoza with the Las Vegas Raiders. 259 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: It's already been said. 260 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 4: They win got Linden well, which I love to alleviate 261 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 4: some of the pressure on him having to handle all 262 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 4: the calls and responsibilities at the line. 263 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 2: Sign me up for this man, the Raiders. 264 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 4: When I think about this offense we brought by ours 265 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 4: aston gent offensive line being rebuilt and Fernando Mendoza running 266 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 4: the deal well clink kobeat making the calls, I already 267 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 4: like what the Raiders are doing because they now have 268 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 4: a defense. 269 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 2: That shit complimented. I like it. 270 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: I like it a lot there. You look at what 271 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: they're doing in free agency, I think all that makes 272 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: a lot of sense. That leads me to the Jets next. Here, 273 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: I can go a lot of different directions. I'm gonna 274 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with the pass rusher here. I'm gonna 275 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: stick with it. I'm gonna go with Bailey here with 276 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: the second pick. So I level those Ohio State guys. 277 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: There's a lot of great options there. To me, I 278 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: just think Bailey's probably the more, the more polished, ready 279 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: to go pass rusher of the group. 280 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 3: So I'm gonna throw David Bailey in there with the 281 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 3: second pick. 282 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is interesting, man, because now I'm in the 283 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 4: Arizona Cardinals. It's too soon to take a quarterback, even 284 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 4: though I'm sure they're iron Ti Simpson in some way, 285 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 4: shape or form. Bottom of the first round, top of 286 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 4: the second. Let's continue to fortify this offensive line. We've 287 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 4: talked about them for a while. I mean, Mariana would 288 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 4: continue to take in from Miami, will put him in 289 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 4: and three. 290 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: Even though they made some moves in free agency. I'm 291 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: still gonna go with the kid from Miami. 292 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So that gives me to the Tennessee Titans, 293 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: and I am I am of the belief what they 294 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: did in free agency on the defensive side of the ball, though, 295 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: they surprised me a little bit how they kind of 296 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: lean more towards the defense. So they've got to do 297 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 1: something to help cam Ward. If you look at that 298 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: team right now, I could I can make a case 299 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: one Dale Robinson coming over. I like that move as 300 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: a slot receiver. I like the two young guys they 301 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: got last year. As we're recording this, Ridley's still around. 302 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: I don't know what you know, if he's going to 303 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: be there going forward, what that looks like in the future. 304 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: Offensive line wise, I could make a case you could 305 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: add a piece there. 306 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 3: But they've invested in Dan Moore. 307 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: They've got JC Latham, who I think is comfortable there 308 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: at the right tackle spot. I don't think you're going 309 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: to take an interior offensive lineman here with the fourth pick, 310 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: So how do I help him the most? I'm taking 311 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: the running back here. I'm just gonna say he's the 312 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: best player available, and I think he helps cam Ward 313 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: the most. 314 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 3: So I'm going to take Jeremiah Love with this pick. 315 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 2: Who DJ DJ DJ. I like that We've talked about Tennessee. 316 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 4: Whenever they've been good, they've had a Bill Cow in 317 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 4: the backfield, And so that brings us to the Giants. 318 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 4: And the Giants are interesting because I look at what 319 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 4: John Harby did. He definitely likes to shop at the 320 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 4: Baltimore Ravens. You think about bringing it as a likely 321 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 4: over some of the other guys they have the field roles, 322 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 4: but Terrell Edmunds was a big one because they brought 323 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 4: a linebacker over. So now I'm stuck DJ because there's 324 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 4: a part of me that says, Okay, they brought the 325 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 4: right tackle back. I want to take an into your player, right. 326 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 4: I think Babinga is the best one. But I can't 327 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 4: take them at five. So how about we put Caleb 328 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 4: Downs at five at safety for the New York Giants. 329 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 4: As they're ridtuoling this defense, maybe we give them a playmaker. 330 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 4: And whenever I think about John Harvard's defense, they've always 331 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 4: had a standout safety. 332 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,239 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna give them Caleb Downs at number five. 333 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: And We'll get to Cleveland. This is an interesting one here. 334 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: If you look at Cleveland trying to rebuild their offensive 335 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: line that's been you know, that's been their charge. I 336 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: do think with their two first round picks that they 337 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: want to come away one of those picks with they 338 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: left tackle. They go out and get Titus Howard is 339 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: a right tackle. They signed Zion and Elton Jenkins to 340 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: shore up the interior of that offense line. They bring 341 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: back Tevin Jenkins, so they to me it's left tackle 342 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: as the spot that they need. And then I look 343 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: at their picks. Okay, well you know, do you want 344 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: to wait? I think previously we could look at it 345 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: and say, pick twenty four, you could wait and get 346 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: what you want there. This is going to be one 347 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: that's going to be much higher than I have this 348 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: player rated. But I can take a step back and go, 349 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: this is a pick for twenty seven. 350 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 3: Are quarterbacks coming in twenty seven? 351 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 2: So this is early. This is early. I feel like 352 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 2: I got assistant where you're going. 353 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 3: I'm gonna take him. Monroe Freeling. 354 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: Oh, I knew it. I knew it. I knew Uga 355 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: was in the building. When you start himing and hawing 356 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: and doing all that for the future. 357 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: Now that's higher than I have him buck as a player, 358 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: he's on my list. If you just look where he 359 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: is on my list, I have Monroe Freeling at twenty, 360 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: so that's a significant jump. 361 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 3: But he is a left tackle. 362 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: So when you look at the offensive lineman that I 363 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: have rated ahead of him, I've got Venga up there 364 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: ahead of him. I've got Mauiinoa first, then Venga, who's 365 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: a guard. To ma, I know a right tackle. Vinga 366 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: is a guard. Spencer Fano I have to me, I 367 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: think he's absolutely perfect at guard or he's going to 368 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: play right tackle. Then I've got Blake Miller, who's a 369 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: right tackle, and then Monroe Freeling. So I've got Blake 370 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: Miller Monroe Freeling right next to each other. But that's 371 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: the that's the left. So if you're trying to find 372 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: the left tackle, I think about Remember it's very similar 373 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: how I had him grad at as players. When you 374 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: go back to the Giants when they were sitting there 375 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: picking in the top ten and I'm looking at grades 376 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: and I'm going, okay, I don't know. I don't have 377 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas. I think he was like in the teens 378 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: for me, but he was a left tackle. You had 379 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: to be patient. Now he struggled, Remember he struggled that 380 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: first year. Oh yeah, and then eventually he's turned into 381 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: be an excellent, excellent left tackle. So I'm gonna use 382 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: that that as my guidepost there for freeling. 383 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 4: You look, I understand it, and I would say there's 384 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 4: a lot of buzz on him DJ. You cannot watch 385 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 4: him work out and not kind of become intrigued on 386 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 4: what he could become. And then when you watch the tape, 387 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 4: there's enough good on tape to be like, man, y'all 388 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 4: can really get excited about how he could develop into 389 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 4: a franchise left tackle. 390 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 2: It's early, but it makes sense, and we talk about 391 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 2: the need. 392 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 4: The need that left tackle is significant for the Cleveland 393 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 4: Browns as they're looking to the future and trying to 394 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 4: figure it out. And speaking of the future, the Washington Commanders, 395 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 4: dan Quinn continue to think about beefing up this defense. 396 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 4: You know, everyone is chasing the unicorn, Michael Parsons. So 397 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 4: I'm gonna give them R. 398 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: Bill Reeves. 399 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 4: And the reason why I want to give them R. 400 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 4: Bill Reees is because dan Quinn has worked and build 401 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 4: out a bluvant for a player with these kinds of traits. 402 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 4: I remember going to training camp watching dan Quinn work 403 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 4: with Michael Parsons off on the side doing training camp practices. 404 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 4: I think he uses that same formula, that same routine 405 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 4: to help r Bill Reese become a dominant player in 406 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 4: the league. So give me r Vill Reese playing on 407 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 4: that front line for the Washington Commander. 408 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna I like that, and he would 409 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: have been my pick with the next pick. But I'm 410 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: gonna do the next best thing. I'm gonna take his teammate. 411 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Sonny Styles with New Orleans, and I 412 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: think you've got a defensive play caller and Brandon Staley 413 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: who can be creative and be able to use him 414 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: in some varying ways and really take advantage of all 415 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: of the athleticism and versatility that Sonny Styles brings to 416 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: the table. Who's also incredibly smart to be the nerve 417 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: center of your defense. To Mario Davis no longer in 418 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: New Orleans, he goes back to the Jets at this 419 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: late point in his career, I think you get a 420 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: guy that could anchor the middle of that defense in 421 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: New Orleans for a long time. 422 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 4: Okay, DJ, because I know you're gonna be in the 423 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 4: building in Pittsburgh when this run goes on, So be 424 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 4: ready to see a lot of this. 425 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of Buck guys. 426 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 4: A lot of oehs because the next guy is the 427 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 4: next the buck guy to come off to the boy 428 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 4: and Nets Cartnell take going to the Kansas City Chiefs 429 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 4: when I think about, hey, they added Kenneth walk in 430 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 4: the backfield because they know that Patrick mahomes a little 431 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 4: compromise within the Travis Kelsey's in the last year of playing. 432 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 2: They need to continue to make sure that this passing 433 00:18:59,000 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 2: game is good. 434 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 4: And even though Cardinal taste on direct replacement Travis Kelce, 435 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 4: they got to start grooming the next guy to be 436 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 4: the focal point of the offense in the passing game. 437 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 2: Cardino Tate is a guy that we're going to go with. 438 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 2: They can run it inside. 439 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 4: They got more explosiveness and weapons on the outside, and 440 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 4: he is the perfect compliment on the outside to zab 441 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 4: Worthy and Rashid Rice being able to get it done. 442 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 2: All right. I like that. 443 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: I get to Cincinnati and this is this is an 444 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: interesting one because a couple of different ways you could 445 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: go here. 446 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 3: When you look at the Bengals. 447 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: I saw, you know, Duke Coben's comments when they asked 448 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: him about traits and he talked about how trades mattered 449 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: to them. 450 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 3: They took Shamar Stewart last year. 451 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: That hasn't worked out, you know, so far early on 452 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: in his career, but that was a traits based pick. 453 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: The guy who is the opposite of that, who doesn't 454 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: have the traits but has all the production and the tape, 455 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: is Ruben Bain. So I personally would love to pair 456 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: Bain with boy A Mafi. I would love to have that, 457 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: uh and that defense going forward. I just don't know 458 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: if that's what they necessarily would do. So I'm I'm 459 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: kind of stuck here of what I would do with them, 460 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: because I can look in a couple of different places. 461 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 3: Man, you know, that's that's a tough one. 462 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 2: I've got. 463 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: I'd be tempted to kick the tires on on Sadiq 464 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: even to give them a big time a big time weapon. Yeah, 465 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: there's that's then if I look, if I'm looking for 466 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: the next edge player, and then I, you know, I 467 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: Mesidor I don't. 468 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 3: I mean, he's a he's a really really good player. 469 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 3: He's a little bit older. I think I have to 470 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 3: just take Baine. I can't. 471 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: I know, I I don't know that they would do that. 472 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: But if I'm doing how I would do it, I 473 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: would take Ruby Baine. So I'm just going to take Bane. 474 00:20:58,560 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: There a lot of hem and han. 475 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 2: Well him and ham Well. Let's break it down. 476 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 4: Like you talk about Baying being able to be like 477 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 4: one of the replacements for Trey Henderson. 478 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 2: You have boy A Mafe. You don't know what you 479 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 2: can get from Shamar Stewart. We know this. 480 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 4: To be successful in the league, you gotta be able 481 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 4: to throw waves of pass rushers at quarterbacks. 482 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 2: So maybe Reuben Bank can give them that production. 483 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 4: And maybe he's built for the complimentary role as opposed 484 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 4: to the lead role. Now with the Miami Dolphins, and 485 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 4: he brought up a couple names that are interesting to 486 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 4: me for the Dolphins, Manster Delane being able to be 487 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 4: a CB one in Miami, a guy who's versatile. 488 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 2: I love his game on the perimeter. But then I 489 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: think about kenyas a deacon. 490 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 4: I'm thinking about Malik Willis, and we want Malik Willis 491 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 4: to get up and going, and I just think about 492 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 4: they just had Darren Walker, he's out. They don't have 493 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 4: anybody really in that position. I'm gonna go with kenyasen Deeke, 494 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 4: even though it's early for the tiight end position. I 495 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 4: just think his ability to control the middle of the 496 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 4: field and the way that Malik Willis was so successful 497 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 4: in Green Bay the tied ends certainly helped him. Give 498 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 4: him a big time tight end to go with Jalen 499 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 4: Wallach and some of those other guys on the outside. 500 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 4: I like it a big time weapon there. I'm gonna 501 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 4: get to the Dallas Cowboys. I'm gonna go Dylan Thieneman 502 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 4: with this pick as someone who's got some versatility athleticism quick. 503 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 3: They gotta go, they gotta go to defense. 504 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: They got to And I looked at to me that 505 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: this would be a pick that would be kind of 506 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: a Mesador versus Theenemon type discussion for them on the 507 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. 508 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 3: So I don't know. 509 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: I just think the intelligence, the versatility on the back 510 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: end there, I think that one makes a lot of 511 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: sense for them. 512 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 3: Fills a need form. 513 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: If I'm looking at best available for me at that 514 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: point in time, would have been man Seur Delanne mackay 515 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: lemon Venga on the interior of the offensive line. 516 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 3: Fano like that. 517 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: They just they've already invested so much in their offensive line. 518 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: They got a good young girl, so I think it's defense. 519 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: And man, now I'm with the l A Rams. 520 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 4: And there's so many different way ways to go. He 521 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 4: took care of the secondary. Averstein just retired. McLennan is 522 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 4: playing on the right side. I'm gonna go with Spencer 523 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 4: for now from utah mm hmm. I'm gonna put him there, 524 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 4: and I know be able to run some power ball 525 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 4: and so let's go with the Utah standout right there, 526 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 4: right tack. 527 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: Okay, I like that. That leaves me next up here 528 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: with the Baltimore Ravens. 529 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 2: Mhm. Man, it's right there for him. It always falls 530 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 2: right to him. 531 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 3: I think that what you think of the corner position, Bob, 532 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 3: What are you thinking? I was. 533 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: I was thinking, I've been mocking Bavena there. 534 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, they just paid John Simpson at guard. But they 535 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: could Yeah, they could continue to look there. I think, Shoot, 536 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: you could play ving Gas center if you wanted to. 537 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: Fano would have been a fun one because Fan I 538 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: put him at center and moved on, and. 539 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 4: I thought about putting I thought about putting Vinga with 540 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 4: the Rams, but I was looking. I was like, man, 541 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 4: they got Kevin Dawson, it would they like who would 542 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 4: play right for then whatever. Baltimore is interesting because then 543 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 4: it comes down to the best player. They traditionally just 544 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 4: take the best player, regardless of the thing, and someone 545 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 4: tends to always fall there. 546 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I would take Manster and Delane. I 547 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: just think he's he's too good of a player, so 548 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: I'll get the lane there. 549 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 550 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 4: You see Jesse menders defense all the time. You saw 551 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 4: it for two years. What he wants to do, Yeah, 552 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 4: he can do. Yeah, he sees everything. He's got really 553 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 4: good eyes. I think he would fit very well there. 554 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 4: And he's tough, like he'll he's not afraid to jump 555 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 4: in there and film tackle. So yeah, quick feet, smooth, 556 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 4: can press as a loose athlete, he can his eyes 557 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 4: working the deep third. I think he'd fit in there 558 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 4: really really well. 559 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: And to me, I think he's a better player than 560 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: Wiggins who they got on the other side, so give 561 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: him two young corners. 562 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 3: I think he's an upgrade. But that was a that's 563 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 3: an interesting little study. 564 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: It is like this is on the fly where you're 565 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: looking at these rosters now and seeing who's where and 566 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: what they've done in free agency. How does that change 567 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: or inform what they were going to do. So there's 568 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: a couple guys that went ahead of where I would 569 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: have him rated, Freelink being I think he's going to 570 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: be a bit of benefactor in this thing that he's 571 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: gonna end up going higher. Fieneman is another one who 572 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: is going to go a little higher than I have 573 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: him rated. So I think those are two guys you 574 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: can look at it and say, Okay, this is this 575 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: process has been good for them in terms of how 576 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: they've performed through the process and in terms of needs 577 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: and how it shapes up here in the top fifteen. 578 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 579 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 4: No, it's interesting because free agency certainly has an impact 580 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 4: and it can continue to kind of impact the dominos 581 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 4: as we get closer to the draft. But DJ, it's funny, 582 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 4: like you talk about that one move, talk about Membroe 583 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 4: Friedland going a little sooner than expected. It does reshape 584 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 4: the way the rest of the first round plays out, 585 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 4: and all it takes is one and in the draft 586 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 4: where you have a lot of similarly graded, similarly rated players, 587 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 4: guys better be running through these exercises because draft night, 588 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 4: Draft weekend could be wild to watch. 589 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: No question, that's a good example of it right there 590 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: of how things can change. But I'm looking at the 591 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: guys who I would have the highest rated that did 592 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: not go on our top fourteen. The next highest rated 593 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: guy would be Lemon, Makai Lemon, who ran you know, 594 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: at that Pro day four five three, which is fine 595 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,479 Speaker 1: for him, that's kind of who he is. I'm totally 596 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: comfortable with that. But he would be the one player. 597 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: Him and Venga would be my top two guys. And 598 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: you're talking about a receiver who's going to be a 599 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: slot receiver and you're talking about an interior offensive lineman. 600 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: So that's that's how those guys could get, you know, 601 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: pushed down the board a little bit. 602 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 4: And here's what we will say, because I know everyone 603 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 4: gets excited about the forty times after, you know, the 604 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 4: buzz or the combine, but we've had this and we've 605 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 4: done studies. These are the majority of the number one 606 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 4: receivers that have success in the league. This is right 607 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 4: run during that four or five oer to four or 608 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 4: five five range because the position is one where it's 609 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 4: a craftsman. A skilled route runner has more success than 610 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 4: the explosive runner. In the National Football League, It's been 611 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 4: proven time and time again, Makai Lemon falling. 612 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 2: If he falls in the draft. 613 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 4: He's going to end up falling to a spot that 614 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 4: is probably about where he's graded, but he'll end up 615 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 4: exceeding the draft because everything that he does on tape 616 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 4: is what a number one receiver should be able to do. 617 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 4: Z F being able to play multiposition under control, terrific. 618 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 2: With the ball in his hands. 619 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 4: We always go through this right where people kind of 620 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 4: poke holes in it, but we'll talk about it next 621 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 4: year and be like man mc colum, it was a 622 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 4: really good player. 623 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, ninety catches, he said, ninety catches this year. 624 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 3: It seemed like it was that hard to me. 625 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: Those are the two guys, by the way, the two 626 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: guys who don't you know, necessarily match the ideal specs 627 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: that people put. 628 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 3: On them are Bane and Lemon. 629 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: And I would make a case that Bain had arguably 630 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: the best defensive tape of anybody in the draft. You 631 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: can make a case Lemon had the best offensive tape 632 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: of anybody in the draft. 633 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 2: And see, this is where it always is interesting when 634 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 2: it comes to scouting. 635 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 4: Do you trust the tape or do you get enamored 636 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 4: by the workouts, because what happens when you get the workouts, 637 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 4: that's when we have more of the you know, potentially 638 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 4: he could as opposed to the tape says this is 639 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 4: who he is, this is who he's more likely to 640 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 4: be at the next level. And more times than not, 641 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 4: when we have these discussions about classes two or three 642 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 4: years prior, we end up saying, man, I should just 643 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 4: trusted what I saw on tape, because he ends up 644 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 4: being what he is on tape. 645 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's like, you know, Monroe Freeling. If 646 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: you watch Monroe Freeling and Spencer Fano, Like Spencer Fano's 647 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: got more consistent tape than him, and he's got a 648 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: longer track record, and I think Spencer final is going 649 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: to be a better player year one than Monroe Freeling is. 650 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: But Monroe Freeling, you can kind of dream on the 651 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: upside and what that could eventually grow into, and that 652 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: could end up, you know, moving him up. So it 653 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: is it's all part of the calculus. Yeah, it's a 654 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,239 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a fun time of year. I mean 655 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: we're round in the corner getting ready to hit the 656 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: backstretch when it comes to the draft process. But it's 657 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: so much more to talk about, so many more. 658 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 4: Players to discuss, and we shoot man, we got somebody 659 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 4: about to come up on path when we get out 660 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 4: around it should be a lot of fun to talk 661 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 4: about it. 662 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, looking forward to it. 663 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: All right, that's going to do it for us today. 664 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoyed it. I hope you have 665 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: a wonderful weekend. We'll see you next week right here 666 00:29:54,040 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: up on movie sticks.