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Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter, I've spent thousands of days

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Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard

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Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer

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Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.

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Speaker 1: This is cutting the Distance. This podcast is presented by

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Speaker 1: Yetti Built for the Wild. If I say rattling and calling,

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Speaker 1: what comes to mind? For most of you probably think

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Speaker 1: tree stand rut, white tails, and rightfully so. But what

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Speaker 1: if I told you it's also possible to use those

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Speaker 1: same white tail tactics to call in mule deer. Right now,

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Speaker 1: It's that time of year, the magical time many deer

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Speaker 1: hunters have been waiting for, when big bucks start to

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Speaker 1: come out of the woodwork to chase hot does states

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Speaker 1: like Idaho, Montana, Colorado, Nevada, eras own in New Mexico, Utah,

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Speaker 1: just to name a few, I'll have a few seasons

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Speaker 1: that dip into the rut. So this week I want

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Speaker 1: to share a success story of calling mule deer. While

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Speaker 1: it's often overlooked, calling can be a great tactic to consider.

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Speaker 1: I want to go over the best setups to call

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Speaker 1: and rattle run it up Muley's. Have you ever had

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Speaker 1: a deer that just taunts you? I have now. A

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Speaker 1: few years back, my buddy Art had a special deer

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Speaker 1: tag in Montana. He was looking for a certain size

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Speaker 1: buck and they were starting to pre run. The bucks

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Speaker 1: were cruising, but there's one buck hanging out down on

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Speaker 1: this piece of private that was pretty close to where

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Speaker 1: drive up looking for a deer and see nothing as

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Speaker 1: good as this buck that was just hanging out in

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Speaker 1: this one spot. Now does would keep cruising around, but

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Speaker 1: this buck just owned this block of turf is pretty open,

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Speaker 1: and we would watch him. Is big four by four.

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Speaker 1: Every time a dough would walk in, He's just like,

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Speaker 1: this is my zone. These are my does. Little bucks

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Speaker 1: would go over try to take a dough, he would

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Speaker 1: run him off. There's one pine tree that he would

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Speaker 1: was living there. This was his domain and he was

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Speaker 1: never going to leave, even though he was pretty close

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Speaker 1: to a place that we could hunt. We kept hoping, man,

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Speaker 1: maybe that buck will make a mistake and move, and

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Speaker 1: just never did. Day in day out that buck was safe,

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Speaker 1: or at least he thought he was safe. A few

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Speaker 1: years earlier, I was guiding a guy in Montana. He

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Speaker 1: actually drew the super tag, which is just like you

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Speaker 1: put in for a lottery. Draw a tag and you

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Speaker 1: can hunt anywhere in the state. Now, the week that

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Speaker 1: when there's no visibility, hunting for mule deer is nearly impossible,

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Speaker 1: especially when you're looking for a big, mature buck. We

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Speaker 1: had gotten into a place and I could hear buck

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Speaker 1: even see it. Well. I always carry a grunt tube.

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Speaker 1: Later in the season, I gave him a few grunts,

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Speaker 1: and that buck came in to point blank range, and

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Speaker 1: that hunter shot that buck. Having that knowledge, I thought,

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Speaker 1: it's open here. But what if we create a scenario

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Speaker 1: Now he's a good distance away from us, and there's

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Speaker 1: Start rattling, just like he would for a white tail,

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Speaker 1: of the old white Tailhandbook. Many of you that are

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Speaker 1: have thought of calling for white tails, Neil, there are

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Speaker 1: of have to understand the deer's behavior before you know

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Speaker 1: work with either species. So I'm just gonna break down

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Speaker 1: So the first one, you have your grunt to what

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Speaker 1: the grunt is that's the noise that a buck makes.

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Speaker 1: But there's two types of communication. So there's just your

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Speaker 1: when they're circling each other, a lot of successive grunts.

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Speaker 1: These are done in rapid succession and often while moving.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's moving with a dough or he's following a

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Speaker 1: It's more successive, and it's while they're moving. Also, that

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Speaker 1: snort whase. Now, I don't even know if I've heard

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Speaker 1: a mule dear make that noise. I have heard white

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Speaker 1: But that's essentially like a very aggressive challenge call. So

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Speaker 1: it's different than a grunt. It's more of a sound

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Speaker 1: like a sharp, fast exhale of air, and the noise

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Speaker 1: that's something that really affects more dominant bucks. A smaller

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Speaker 1: my voice. It's more of a that really pisces off

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Speaker 1: dominant bucks. It's that direct challenge sound that they just

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Speaker 1: don't like. Now, there's also other calls that the does make.

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Speaker 1: One in particular is a higher pitched, drawn out bleat

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Speaker 1: made by a doing heat. So this will be an

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Speaker 1: estraus bleat. Now it's really rare to actually hear that sound.

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Speaker 1: I've heard it a few times. But what it does

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Speaker 1: needs to investigate. Now, rattling, that's the sound you're creating,

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Speaker 1: a fighting sound. Rat lin can travel along ways and

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Speaker 1: also makes it sound like there's bucks there. There might

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Speaker 1: prefer to use a heavy set of antlers. I've tried

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Speaker 1: a lot of different antlers, but that big, heavy clacking

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Speaker 1: Another thing that I found that works well for mule here,

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Speaker 1: what I do is the front shoulder. I'll use two

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Speaker 1: front shoulder blades. For some reason, that noise sounds a

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Speaker 1: little bit deeper and tends to work really well for

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Speaker 1: calling mule. Theres so dried out front shoulder blade bones,

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Speaker 1: they're easier to keep in your pack. Man. You get

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Speaker 1: a mule here this year, take that front shoulder and

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Speaker 1: make a roast in the crock. Pop, pull that front

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Speaker 1: even find them on the ground whatever while they're hiking around.

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Speaker 1: Those are great replacements for big heavy meal deer anilers.

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Speaker 1: For some reason that sound I found, I've called in

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Speaker 1: a lot of mule there using that as opposed to

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Speaker 1: carrying around shed anilers. So let's go into the setup.

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Speaker 1: When will this call work? Well, let's understand mule dear behavior,

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Speaker 1: the type of terrain that they live in, and why

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Speaker 1: they might be susceptible to being tricked. So the first

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Speaker 1: thing is mule deer think about their design compared to

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Speaker 1: a white tailed deer and the habitats that they live in.

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Speaker 1: So a mule there has big ears for listening, but

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Speaker 1: he also uses his vision a lot, and the reason

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Speaker 1: is because they tend to live in more open country,

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Speaker 1: so unlike a white tailed deer that lives in thicker terrain,

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Speaker 1: more timbered forests. They travel more trails consistently. A mule,

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