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Speaker 1: But then at this at the other at the other

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Speaker 1: period of adaptation. UH. To answer your questions specifically, I

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Speaker 1: don't believe in a general context the market reflects any remote,

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Speaker 1: Um there it's that's that's sort of them voting with

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Speaker 1: their with with their treasuries. You know. Stephen Woods on

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Speaker 1: the lines and he's and he's talking about UH sort

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Speaker 1: of how different business sectors have been responding to this.

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Speaker 1: You and I, Stephen, we're talking about UH landlords in particular,

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Speaker 1: me a little bit, and my understanding is that you

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Speaker 1: have a little bit of delay, So just bear with

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Speaker 1: us with that delay, folks, is I want to get

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Speaker 1: this answer. Talk to us about how landlords have missed

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Speaker 1: the mark, many of them, in terms of dealing with

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Speaker 1: this housing crisis, rent crisis in America. So the amigula

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Speaker 1: is live and well with most landlords because their backs

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Speaker 1: need to satisfy that they can't actually uh go into

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Speaker 1: forbearance on. And so what they're doing many many landlords,

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Speaker 1: particularly the office and the retail space are our outright

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Speaker 1: treating their their their customers, their tenants in a in

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Speaker 1: a hostile manner, and I think that these are going

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Speaker 1: to end up being permanent destructions and relationships that are

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Speaker 1: happening there. Um, we we're not really seeing it as

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Speaker 1: much on the on the residential side, Kevin. It's much

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Speaker 1: more on the office and the retail side. No surprise

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Speaker 1: to anybody, But when a when a when a landlord turned,

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Speaker 1: you know, basically threatens litigation against some of its retail

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Speaker 1: I don't see those relationships being able to make it

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Speaker 1: to have a very hard time, uh, basically returning back

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Speaker 1: to any sense of normals than Stephen, what thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for your insights. We'll definitely have you back

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Speaker 1: on the program. Appreciate that for your time. On that.

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Speaker 1: Coming up, we check in with Johnson the Ladies. I'm

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Speaker 1: more with Marion Williamson. I'm Kevin Cerelli, chief Washington correspondent

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Speaker 1: for Bloomberg TV and for Bloomberg Radio. You can download

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Speaker 1: can also find me on Radio dot com, I Heart Radio,

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Speaker 1: and Spotify. It's Friday, folks, It's Friday, folks. It really

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Speaker 1: is interesting to hear what Stephen had to say about

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Speaker 1: how different business sectors if they're not connecting one on

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Speaker 1: one with the individual wealth, then they're not going to

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Speaker 1: make it. If you're listening to Bloomberg, this is Bloomberg's

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Speaker 1: Sound On with Kevin Surley on Bloomberg and one oh

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Speaker 1: five point seven f M HD two. I'm Kevin Sireli,

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Speaker 1: Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and form Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 1: And this China attention is in a new Cold war.

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Speaker 1: That's where we're going to. That's where we are going

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Speaker 1: to continue the conversation with John Cieliti's geopolitical strategists at

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Speaker 1: Trilogy Advisors and diplomacy consultant to the State Department. John.

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Speaker 1: How are you? How's the family? How are the boys? Well?

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Speaker 1: Thank god, we're all healthy and well, trying to keep

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Speaker 1: our wits about us and longing for a haircut. Kevin, Wait,

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Speaker 1: so you have at Mary Williamson. You haven't, You haven't

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Speaker 1: done the barbershop. I was cutting my own hair week three.

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Speaker 1: No Governor Northam won't allow him. I think they just

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Speaker 1: opened up literally forty five minutes ago. I think five

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Speaker 1: o'clock today is when that next phase of reopening at

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Speaker 1: answers to the barbershops. You ad the State Department, but

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Speaker 1: you can't pull out a pair of clippers and help

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Speaker 1: give a buzz cut to the boys. John, come on,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a lawbreaker, all right. So what do you

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Speaker 1: make of these escalating tensions between the US and China? Uh?

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Speaker 1: And and and is this really the start of a

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Speaker 1: new Cold War between the U S and China? John? Well, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: let me just put some context to this, because what

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Speaker 1: we have here really is the culmination of a bipartisan

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Speaker 1: American failure to understand that China was always biding its

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Speaker 1: time until it was ready to compete with the United

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Speaker 1: States for global dominance. And this is probably the most

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Speaker 1: glaring failure of foreign policy of the past twenty years.

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Speaker 1: And history will likely look back and say among the

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Speaker 1: greatest strategic blunders since World War Two. So now you

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Speaker 1: have this bipartisan support for a campaign of accelerating the

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Speaker 1: strategic disengagement that China launched in twenty team when they

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Speaker 1: announced the policy of achieving technology and dependence from the

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Speaker 1: US and the West, and that was propelled in een

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Speaker 1: when General Secretary Shijin Ping achieved unbridled power and eliminated

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Speaker 1: term limits. And ever since then we've seen this aggressive

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Speaker 1: foreign policy in Hong Kong against Taiwan and the South

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Speaker 1: China Sea, sinking Vietnamese boats, and now the last week

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Speaker 1: or two weeks two incursions on the territory of India.

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Speaker 1: So we have a number of activities that the US

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Speaker 1: is finally responding to. And I think with this National

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Speaker 1: targeted sanctions against Hong Kong. A very different relationship because

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Speaker 1: of Hong Kong no longer being autonomous and trying to

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Speaker 1: hold China accountable for repeated violations of promises, commitments and

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Speaker 1: international treaties. John Johnson leads is on the line. He's

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Speaker 1: Geopolitical Strategy as a trilogy, advised as diplomacy consultant to

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Speaker 1: the State Department. John, you know you mentioned India. The

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Speaker 1: US can't do you think the US needs to get

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Speaker 1: Europe on board. Europe has has had a very different approach.

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Speaker 1: Every country in Europe has had a very different approach

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Speaker 1: to how they've been handling China as it relates to

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Speaker 1: doing business on five G as it relates to doing

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Speaker 1: business uh in in the energy sector. And does Europe

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Speaker 1: in the United States need to be speaking from the

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Speaker 1: same on the same page when dealing with Beijing. Well,

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Speaker 1: this goes back to the classic problem Kevin of European

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Speaker 1: foreign policy, Right, who do you speak to to see

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Speaker 1: who speaks for Europe? There really isn't any unified voice.

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Speaker 1: And when times are good, Europe is unified, and when

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Speaker 1: times are rough, every country starts looking out for its

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Speaker 1: own interests. So I think we'll be working with the UK,

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Speaker 1: especially the Chinese have already threatened the United Kingdom if

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Speaker 1: they offer passport privileges to those who held UK passports

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Speaker 1: before nine when when Hong Kong was handed over to

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Speaker 1: the Chinese, and the Chinese are now threatening the UK

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Speaker 1: with retaliation. China is isolating itself in the region and

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Speaker 1: globally by these very aggressive actions against the whole host

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Speaker 1: of countries which which had enjoyed very good relations up

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Speaker 1: until just a year or so ago. And I think,

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Speaker 1: especially Kevin, given the way China has concealed its activities

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Speaker 1: regarding the unleashing of the virus on the world, I

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Speaker 1: think you'll see a lot more popular support in individual

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Speaker 1: European countries for a very serious, high level review of

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Speaker 1: their diplomatic and economic relations with China, especially if the

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Speaker 1: Chinese government continues with these policies. Well, and also, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and you mentioned populism in Europe, look no further than

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Speaker 1: here you've got According to the latest Morning Console Pull,

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Speaker 1: democrats want more transparency from China. Eighty more than eighty

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Speaker 1: percent of Republicans want more transparency from China. That's just

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Speaker 1: the Morning Console Pull. That's not even you know, and

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Speaker 1: not just one question. So I mean, this is not

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Speaker 1: this is not a controversial thing here that we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: But you know, so much of the reporting and the

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Speaker 1: framing around this discussion, Johnson elities is has been that

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Speaker 1: Europe is isn't is in disarray. Geo politically in the

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Speaker 1: United States is divided. And I hear that, I hear

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Speaker 1: that that said, did did She jing Ping miscalculate? Did

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Speaker 1: She Jing Ping make any miscalculations about the wealthy, the

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Speaker 1: especially if they've got some financial interest in Hong Kong

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Speaker 1: to be revoked. I mean, is he gonna feel pressure.

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Speaker 1: This isn't like it's one person in China running policy.

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Speaker 1: This is a nuanced country with nuanced political ideologies and

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Speaker 1: nuanced uh different constituencies. You raise some very important points

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Speaker 1: in questions here, Kevin. However, there is a difference in

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Speaker 1: governance under General Secretary She he does have near absolute

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Speaker 1: going back to Den Chaoping had when China was run

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Speaker 1: more by consensus among party elders. So Hujining is going

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Speaker 1: back to the Mausa tongue model and actually does have

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Speaker 1: near absolute authority. But on Hong Kong, keep in mind

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Speaker 1: that the Chinese Communist Party has been planning this transition

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Speaker 1: since nine and it's why you've seen all this investment

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Speaker 1: So that you know where Hong Kong was accountable for

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Speaker 1: twenty percent of the Chinese economy in it's only valued

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Speaker 1: that about three percent of the Chinese economy today, so

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Speaker 1: it's going to be swallowed up by these larger financial

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Speaker 1: people of Hong Kong. And also this sent the geopolitical

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Speaker 1: message to Taiwan, which has been advancing. It's so international

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Speaker 1: statute because they handle the virus so much more effectively

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Speaker 1: Taiwan gets no extra legroom, no additional space in any

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Speaker 1: international organization. They can't invade Taiwan, but they can send

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Speaker 1: a message to the world. We're gonna move into Hong

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Speaker 1: Kong and we'll threaten to escalate against Taiwan if you

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Speaker 1: force us to do so. All right, John said, Lady's

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Speaker 1: with the uh the truth on a Friday about us

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Speaker 1: and China. Geopolitical strategist of Trilogy Advisors and diplomacy consultant

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Speaker 1: to the State's Department not to mention in an All

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Speaker 1: Star Dad, John, thanks for checking in. Give my regards

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Speaker 1: to the family. MARYA. Williams. That we've got like a

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Speaker 1: minute left. You know, you hear that you listen to John,

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Speaker 1: but I still I Maybe it's because I'm younger, but

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Speaker 1: I still want to say, Okay, I get it, they're

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Speaker 1: the number two largest economy in the world, but we're

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Speaker 1: still number one, and the United States is still the

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Speaker 1: leader in in democracy in the world. That's still still

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Speaker 1: even today has to be worth something. Well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: I'm not enrolled in your belief that we're the leader

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Speaker 1: in democracy. I don't think that we're the country that

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Speaker 1: is upholding democracy more than any other. Unfortunately, and as

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Speaker 1: far as our being our ideals are exceptional, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean we are embodying those ideals, and we need to

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Speaker 1: be honest with ourselves about that. Also, in terms of

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Speaker 1: our being a bigger economy, so many sectors of our

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Speaker 1: economy are bought and sold by China that we have

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Speaker 1: to really think about what it means to say that

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Speaker 1: we are number one. I agree with John, this has

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Speaker 1: been going on for so long we didn't China has

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Speaker 1: warned that this could lead to a to a cold war,

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Speaker 1: but there's a certain kind of cold trade board that's

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Speaker 1: been going on for so long they didn't have to

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Speaker 1: send soldiers. All they need to do is uh is

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Speaker 1: send trade negotiators. And we've been such horrors for short

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Speaker 1: term profit for US corporations. We've practically sold this country. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I gotta ask you a fun question because it's Friday,

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Speaker 1: And what are you streaming? What have you been streaming

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Speaker 1: through the pandemic? I have been obsessed with the Crown.

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Speaker 1: I can't okay, I can't wait for season four. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna leave it there. Marian Williamson's watching the crowd just

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Speaker 1: Much more coming up next week. Have a great, safe weekend.

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