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Speaker 1: how are you doing today? Hey, Hi, guys, every frustrated.

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Speaker 1: what a layer cake now too? Oh, if it's got

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Speaker 1: chocolate in it? Okay, let's go to by the way,

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Speaker 1: folks again, to a one five, one three is the number.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to our buddy and Queen's Travis Travish around

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Speaker 1: with the Russian Paul dots. How you doing, buddy? How

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Speaker 1: you guys? Hi? Good? Um? Your opening segment Russ goes

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Speaker 1: into my point. But when the first start with this

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Speaker 1: game Sunday and me, is the season mean in playoffs

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Speaker 1: or no playoffs? If we went we went all loose?

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Speaker 1: Now to going to borrow? Is that I believe our

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Speaker 1: situation starts from the top. And when I say the top,

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Speaker 1: I think Mavers schooled up. When you let golf top,

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Speaker 1: let him go, Travis, do me a buddy? Are you

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Speaker 1: speaking into your phone? Because I didn't want to say

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Speaker 1: this the other day and you're a good call, but

438
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Speaker 1: either you're not speaking into the phone or the connection

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Speaker 1: is no good. And you're the only one that we're

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Speaker 1: hearing this with, so just make sure you're speaking into

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Speaker 1: the phone. All right, Yeah, there you go. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know you're a smart guy, but you don't have

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Speaker 1: to show us when you're calling us that you're multitasking. Okay, buddy,

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00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: right right now, I'm definitely not multi tazing. I'm focused

445
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Speaker 1: on my phone. Is a little slow, but anyway, um, so,

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Speaker 1: so my point I'm making is that. I believe it's

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Speaker 1: startup top. And I think Mara, we let go of Copland,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think that. I think that uh, him

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Speaker 1: doing that, it rushed everything. You know, Uh, the pieces

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Speaker 1: that macif you had that, uh, Pat Sherman had those

451
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Speaker 1: that who yet sent with Macic do h he had

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Speaker 1: a better team than Copland did when they got rid

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Speaker 1: of him. That that last year of coplence tension and

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Speaker 1: Sermon has a better team. And then then Macado the

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Speaker 1: both censers. Uh. And I know it's early in the season.

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Speaker 1: I understand that, Uh, but I do think that because

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00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: right now to need these four games that was played,

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00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: it was all winnable. None of these games we got

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00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: smoked or or or we got whooke. It was, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, the play calling. You take the first game, right,

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Speaker 1: the first game against Dazell, when we're like, yeah, but

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Speaker 1: the Travis Travis, but buddy, I love you, but you

463
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: want to know what we can't be going back to

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Speaker 1: each game. You know, you know, we we know what

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Speaker 1: was and and let's let's go. We're coming off the

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Speaker 1: last game. Okay, we're not gonna we can't dissect the

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Speaker 1: last four games, all right, But because My point is this,

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Speaker 1: the play calling is horrible. On top the play is horrible.

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Speaker 1: It hurts the plate is hard because it's inconsistent. It

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Speaker 1: hurts Ela because once Eli one bad thing and we rule.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing everybody focus on and and and it sucks.

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Speaker 1: Well but but but you know what, Travis, again I

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Speaker 1: said it before. The quarterback gets the credit, buddy, and

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Speaker 1: thanks for the call, Travil. The quarterback gets the credit,

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Speaker 1: and he also gets most of the blame. That's the

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Speaker 1: way it is. You know, I commented on this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: If you recall, and certainly Paul, you recalled last year

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Speaker 1: when the team was too and ten and they benched Eli.

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Speaker 1: The outcry was incredible, and it was in the media.

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Speaker 1: It was every place, Oh my god, what are they

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Speaker 1: doing to Eli? And believe me, I didn't like it,

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Speaker 1: PAULI didn't like it, just like you and the fans

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Speaker 1: didn't like it. But the outcry, it was intense. Now,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you something. The only reason most of

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Speaker 1: the media made an outcry they didn't give a rats

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Speaker 1: ptuti that they were benching Eli. They liked the idea

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Speaker 1: that what if we get Eli, if we make an

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Speaker 1: issue out of this, you know it helps seal the

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Speaker 1: deal to get Ben McAdoo out of here because they

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Speaker 1: didn't like Ben McAdoo. Okay, I think you'd agree with

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Speaker 1: me on that pole. They didn't like him that. Having

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Speaker 1: said that, we come into this season. You know, Eli

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Speaker 1: gets his job back. But we come into the season. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Dave Gettelman comes, Pat Sherman comes. Listen, they did not

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Speaker 1: have There was no mandate to keep Eli, none whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: They wanted them. They made an assessment and and certainly

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Speaker 1: Pat Sherman has a record throughout the National Football League

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Speaker 1: of not being a good coach with quarterbacks a great

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Speaker 1: coach with quarterbacks. So they keep Eli after two games

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Speaker 1: to say, media, who was killing the Giants for benching him?

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Speaker 1: What Eli when he was two and ten years before?

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Speaker 1: Now they're they're oh, Ghettoman and Sherman made a colossal mistake.

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Speaker 1: It's a blunder. They drafted Sae Kwon Barkley, they should

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Speaker 1: have drafted Donald but a beat but about the boop? Okay.

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Speaker 1: Then Eli has a nine game against Houston and oh,

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Speaker 1: happy days of here again. Eli's grady shows he stole

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Speaker 1: a man. And now here we go on Sunday and

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Speaker 1: it's the same crap on Monday. You know, Eli. The

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Speaker 1: constant is Eli. It was the constant last year, it's

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Speaker 1: the constant this year. I mean, I mean, so it's

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Speaker 1: just that's the way it is, and it's always gonna

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Speaker 1: be that way, you know. I mean, but but we

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Speaker 1: can't keep going back on all all the games. And listen,

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Speaker 1: nobody was bigger Coughlin fans than the two guys sitting here.

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Speaker 1: But that's over with. It's over with. Yeah, you can

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Speaker 1: say that, Well, we want to build ourselves to come

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Speaker 1: back to That's over with. You gotta move forward. Let's

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Speaker 1: go to um Dexter in Albany, Dexter. How are you

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Speaker 1: doing today? Hey, how are you guys doing? Man? What's

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Speaker 1: going on? Talk to me? Oh, I got a question. Say,

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Speaker 1: I know you watched the retapes of the tapes of

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Speaker 1: I know you don't like to talk a lot about

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Speaker 1: the officiating. To keep playing was that we had, but

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Speaker 1: we pinned them down and side the three l when

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Speaker 1: Tom Tomlinson, the referee, stayed behind the quarterback when it's

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Speaker 1: being hike. Right now, you're telling me nobody seem Dalvin

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Speaker 1: Thomason got tripped and pulled down to the I will

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Speaker 1: tell you something. I was on the Giant sideline about

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Speaker 1: sixty yards away from the play and I saw Tomlinson

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Speaker 1: go down immediately. And after the play was over, I

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Speaker 1: turned to Michael Eisen, who was the senior writer for

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Speaker 1: Giants dot Um. I looked at him and I said, well,

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Speaker 1: where's the flag? Where's the flag? Oh, there's there's a

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Speaker 1: flag right What? No flag? That I mean? I was incredulous. Um,

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Speaker 1: there were two penalties on that play. Tomlinson was tripped

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Speaker 1: up at the one and and after he was tripped up,

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Speaker 1: the lineman, another lineman, next to next to the next

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Speaker 1: to the other Saints lineman grabbed Tomlinson by the shoulder.

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Speaker 1: The material here, okay. Then Buddy grabbed Tomlinson by the shoulder,

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Speaker 1: and as Tomlinson was going forward, then took two hands

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Speaker 1: right in the back of the numbers and base planted

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Speaker 1: him into the end zone. Now, personally speaking, I believe

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Speaker 1: you could call two penalties on that play, the tripping

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Speaker 1: at the one yard line, which will have nullified the

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Speaker 1: game and brought the Saints back to the one and

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Speaker 1: a half. That would have been fine if you called

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Speaker 1: that penalty, or if you didn't see the trip, you

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00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: easily could have called the offensive lineman for holding. And

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Speaker 1: if that call was made in the ends zone, guess what,

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Speaker 1: it's a safety. The Giants get two points, they're down

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Speaker 1: by six, and the Saints have to punk the ball

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Speaker 1: to Eli Manning with three and a half minutes to go.

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Speaker 1: I know that was the whole key of the Well,

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Speaker 1: just just just let me say this, and this is

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Speaker 1: what i think. Alright, alright, alright, but what I'm saying

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Speaker 1: it was momentum that was going right there. Now, that's

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Speaker 1: the one point, Dexter, is one point that you have

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Speaker 1: to make. The Giants had done a number of things,

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Speaker 1: including butcher a fourth down fake where the Saints were

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Speaker 1: able to run the ball and get some points out

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Speaker 1: of it. Okay, the Giants had done a number of

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Speaker 1: things during the course of the game that were self

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Speaker 1: destructive plays. They didn't make, plays, they screwed up. And

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Speaker 1: yet in spite of all of that, had the proper

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Speaker 1: penalty been called with three and a half minutes to go,

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Speaker 1: they would have been in position to win the game.

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Speaker 1: Now that you can say, and that's a fair statement,

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Speaker 1: because it's an accurate statement. Having said that, had the

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Speaker 1: Giants not done some screwed up things in the first

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Speaker 1: three quarters, maybe they wouldn't have been in that pickle

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Speaker 1: to rely on an official to make the appropriate call. True. True,

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Speaker 1: you know that's only understanding. Another question I wanted to question,

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Speaker 1: follow up on our rookies. Um, what's the deal with

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00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: mackin touch? Is he's still on I not practicing, He's

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Speaker 1: not He's not practicing yet. I think you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to consider him a red shirt for the season. I

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00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: think so too, that he had high potential coming in.

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Speaker 1: I see why. I mean that he's good, I would say,

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Speaker 1: quite frankly, b J. Hill, let's put it this way.

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Speaker 1: You want to talk about draft picks, uh Quan. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Will Hernandez might have had, you know, a little trouble

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Speaker 1: for a game. And two Will Hernandez is really coming around.

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00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: And b J. Lore Lorenzo Cardy, you're talking about you know, listen,

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Speaker 1: those they're playing paying dividends, and they're paying dividends immediately,

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Speaker 1: Dexter Josh Morrow is coming off his p E D

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Speaker 1: suspension this week, and it sounds like from the conversation,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like from conversation you will it sounds like that.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like a lot of uh walking wounded. Could

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00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: we you could be seeing him and thanks for the call, Dex.

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Speaker 1: You could be seeing them this coming week because I

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00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: like Carolina this weekend. Okay, I don't know, but but

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Speaker 1: this seems to be a confidence about Ovie. Olivier Vernon

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Speaker 1: and Uhlia Eli Apples certainly had some getty up in

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Speaker 1: his his step today the media portions of practice, both

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00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: guys look like they were going to go. So that's

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Speaker 1: good news. Listen. I was ticked off as much as

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Speaker 1: anybody on that tripping and believe me, that's not the

598
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: Giants Chamber of commerce talking. And again to Sherman's credit,

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Speaker 1: he would not he would not use it after the

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Speaker 1: game Sunday, he would not use it today. He didn't

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Speaker 1: use it on Monday. As you know, officiating bad calls,

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00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: uh giving them the reason for the Giants losing. But

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Speaker 1: I will say this, and I'm not gonna make it

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00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: as an excuse. I'm just saying this. The officiating in

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Speaker 1: that game spunk, in particular for the Giants and quite

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Speaker 1: frankly around the NFL. I mean, they gotta Paul, they

607
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: gotta figure this crap out. With whether it's defined as

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Speaker 1: a penalty or not. That horse collar was horse bleep

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Speaker 1: if you asked me. It's the same thing with like

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00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: you know, the Clay Matthews the three penalties. I mean,

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00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: the league has to fix this business out because, believe me,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to get into and Belichick has been

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Speaker 1: calling it for calling forward for years. You don't want

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00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: to get into reviewing penalties, okay, because if it gets

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00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: to that point, the games are gonna take five and

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Speaker 1: a half hours. All right, But they got they gotta

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Speaker 1: fix something, and that's the problem. Cross How did they

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00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: get it? I don't know, but the human era is

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Speaker 1: always going to you know, mistakes. I don't know. And

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Speaker 1: I've said this not just in football, Paul, I think

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Speaker 1: I've said it with you. It's happened in all sports,

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Speaker 1: in particular baseball too. I don't know if it's made

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Speaker 1: of fish. Officials lazy. I don't even like using a

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Speaker 1: lazy because that sounds like they're not doing a job,

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00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: so that wouldn't be fair. Maybe they become too dependent

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Speaker 1: and saying, well, we'll just worry about the replay, and

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00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: they're not showing the gumption to make a call. The

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00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: correct way like to me after that, um the horse collar.

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Speaker 1: After I saw that play, Jenkins got called for the

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Speaker 1: horse collar. But I saw all four of them get together.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sitting with Jeff Eagles. Great, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: get this right. They're gonna get together discuss it. One

633
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Speaker 1: guy's gonna say no. But that was but nothing. I

634
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: didn't understand it. Now again, I'm not just like the

635
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: tripping play. Uh, like you're saying with Dalvin Dalvin Thomlinson, listen,

636
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: I get it, and that certainly was a penalty. But

637
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: you know, as Sherman said after the game, we gotta

638
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: make more plays as well as the defense played. That

639
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: was an instant where they need to make a play.

640
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: It's first down, you got them back. I mean, I

641
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: was sitting with Jeff Eagles. Thomlinson doesn't doesn't get infracted upon,

642
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: He's gonna get a sack. Breeze is cooked in the

643
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: end zone, we hope. So we don't know. So, I mean,

644
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about what we think would happen, but it

645
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: didn't happen. Had a free path. Okay, I'm not dis futing,

646
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:57,959
Speaker 1: but nonetheless, okay, make a play, come up with something big.

647
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: All I know is this first down on your own

648
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: three yeardline. You got at that juncture. It was like

649
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: three thirty left in the game, and they and they

650
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: got out of it, and they got some help, but

651
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: they got out of it on the first play. And

652
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: then ask you a question ross about this penalty stuff

653
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: and about the replace stuff. Let me ask you something.

654
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be the perfect solution, because there is

655
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: no perfect solution, but maybe they could reduce half of

656
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: the mistakes if the officials were to get together in

657
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: conference like they did the other day, and on flags

658
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: that are thrown, maybe they should be allowed to call

659
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: upstairs and check with the replay official upstairs and let

660
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: him confer with them so that they could pick up

661
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: flags that were inaccurately thrown. Right, how about that? Now? Now,

662
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: penalties that aren't called, there are too many of those

663
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: in the game where you're going to slow the game

664
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Speaker 1: down to a muddy crawl. What if you just said

665
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: that on questionable flags that are thrown, we have the

666
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: bill need to pick them up if the replay official

667
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: upstairs sees you making an egregious hour, how about that

668
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: in theory. I love the idea in theory. I love

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Speaker 1: the idea, And again, folks, to a one nine three

670
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: nine five one three is the number in theory, Paul.

671
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: It sounds great, But what's the definition of a questionable call? Well,

672
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: in this case, it was clear or no. I'm saying,

673
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: but it was clear. But how do you define no?

674
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: In this case it was clear? But how do you

675
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: define what? Are we gonna go back? I got one

676
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: for you. If the call on the field is questionable

677
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: enough where the officials believe they need to huddle, OK,

678
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: fair enough. If they think they need to huddle, then

679
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: that means they have enough doubt on the field in

680
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: their minds. More than one official must doubt it. And

681
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: if they're going to huddle on the field, then it

682
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: goes up to the guy upstairs. I like that premise.

683
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: But then I'm just saying, so there could be a

684
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: questionable call and they just decided not to huddle. You know,

685
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: it's a gray area and no, no, we're trying to

686
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: solve a problem that really is a problem, not just

687
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: this past week for the Giants, it's a problem in

688
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: the National Football League. But but I'm just saying, by definition,

689
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: like like you know, by definition, people are trying to say,

690
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: uh it is a horse collar uh call because his

691
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: arm went possibly under the shoulder pair bull crap. I

692
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: mean that was I mean, it didn't go under anything.

693
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: He grabbed them around the shoulders, he put them down.

694
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 1: Jenkins got screwed. The Giants got screwed on that play period. Okay,

695
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: no if ends and butts, but the definition of just

696
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: like they can't figure out how to uh dealing with

697
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: protecting the quarterback. Okay, I mean Clay Matthews on you know,

698
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: on that on the third you know it was like

699
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: three weeks or three places. On the third one, he

700
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: did everything but the quarterback down, gently, pick up his

701
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: face mask and give him a kiss. You know, that's

702
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: how easy they are putting so much emphasis on the

703
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: roughing the passer penalty. All right, again, I hate to

704
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: do this because you're gonna get mad at me for

705
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: slowing down the game, but maybe the roughing the passer

706
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: penalty ought to be one that's reviewable. I mean, look,

707
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: we have the officials come in every summer during training camp,

708
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: and they come in and not only do they help

709
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: out the teams for a couple of days in determining

710
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: how the rules are going to be officiated and what

711
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: new rule changes will be in play this year. But

712
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: they also meet with the media and we get an

713
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: opportunity to sit with the officials, go through a tape

714
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Speaker 1: that they talk about with emphasis is and new rules,

715
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: and then we get to ask them questions. You know

716
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: what really bugged the heck out of me rus And

717
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: it's not those guys fault. It's it's coming from the

718
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: front office because this is the way they want to

719
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: have the game officiated. We were told that with the

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Speaker 1: helmet rule when there's when there's a lowering of the

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00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 1: helmet to spear somebody, you know, I get to say

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00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: the thing of this. I said, Okay, now, what happens

723
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: if a guy comes in to make a hit and

724
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: he's going down to make the hit, and you guys

725
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: flagg him because you think it was a helmet leading

726
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: into the hit. But when we see the replay, it

727
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: turns out that it was only his shoulder that actually

728
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: drove into the player and the helmet didn't actually do it.

729
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: You know what the officials said to me, he goes, well, upstairs,

730
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: they have the ability to review that and they can

731
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: reverse an ejection if we if we ejected the guy

732
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: for spearing with the helmet, and they see on the

733
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: replay that he only got it with his shoulder, they

734
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: can reverse the ejection and the player can stay in

735
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: the game. I said, okay, but what about the penalty,

736
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: because the penalty itself is is inaccurate, it's wrong. He

737
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: goes no, the penalty flag still stands. And I looked

738
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: at the official and I said, okay, so your guy

739
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: upstairs tells you he hit him with the shoulder, but

740
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: you're still gonna pedalize him for hitting with the head

741
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 1: even though he's telling you he didn't hit with his head,

742
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: and you can't eject him for it. How does that

743
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: make sense? A lot of things don't make sense. Listen,

744
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: Alec Ogle Tree. I don't think Alec was making it

745
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: up when an official said to him, and I don't

746
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: know which play it was, I'm sure he wasn't either,

747
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: But but if I don't know what the circumstances, but

748
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: conversation the official apparently made it. Remarked Alec Ogile Tree

749
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: that well, we wouldn't make that call if it was

750
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, you know, and and incredulously, um ogle

751
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: tre Huh what what? What the hell sense even to

752
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: say that is opening up again and I want to

753
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: get off this topic. It has nothing to do with

754
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: the Giants. Know. The bottom line is officiating and the

755
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: rule book in the National Football League needs to be better. Period.

756
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: That's the bottom line, and that's across the board for

757
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: every team. In a sleek, I want to remind everybody,

758
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: folks that Big Blue Kickoff Live presented to you by

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00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,279
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761
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: eighteen season. Let's go to the Windy City in Chicago

762
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: because Mark has been waiting for a while. Thanks for

763
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: being patient, Mark, You're on with Russ and Paul. It's

764
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: very interesting conversation. This isn't why I called, But why

765
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: wasn't that fumble that Gallman had a penalty? The guy

766
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: led with his head to knock the ball out, So

767
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: it isn't that leading with your head? Uh? In fairness,

768
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: I don't remember, you know exactly what the hit was

769
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: at that junk show. Remember it's the crown. You have

770
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: to lead with the top of your helmet too, in

771
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: order for it to be the new helmet. The helmet

772
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: penalty that they're calling. I don't remember the visually head

773
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't helmet. The helmet, I don't know not helt them.

774
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: If you lead with the crown of your helmet, you're

775
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: going to get his head with your hands. Mark. But

776
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: but we're just saying to you, I don't remember distinctly.

777
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: I don't remember visually what else you got, Mark, Yeah,

778
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: And I wanted to talk a little bit conceptually and

779
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: then go into the specifics. You know, if you look

780
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: at Elive's career, what maybe Lie great was having a

781
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: balanced running game, a run pass, balance, play action pass,

782
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: downfield throws. When then McAdoo came in, he tried to

783
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: turn him into something else, something that he isn't with

784
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: that West Coast offense. And you're talking about Shermer being

785
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: a great quarterback with coaches. I thought he was starting

786
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: to go back to this what I just talked about,

787
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: what made e Lie a good quarterback. I turned that

788
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: game on on Sunday, and I didn't see the first

789
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: part of the first quarter because of the NFL. You know,

790
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: over time that happened. But that game came on and

791
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: I see Eli back in the shotgun, and I saw

792
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: Eli back in the shotgun almost the entire game, and

793
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: as the game went on, you know, one of the

794
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: announcers said that the New Orleans was playing the slowdown

795
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: game to keep the Giants playmakers off the field. I

796
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: think that turned around because they realized that Giants were

797
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: gonna make any adjustments. I just think that, in uh

798
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: support of what somebody said earlier, we're seeing no creativity

799
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: from Shermer in our plays. They talked about New Orleans

800
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: having good play design. I haven't heard one play this

801
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: year where the announcer said that was good play design.

802
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: Where I think we're being out coached all the way around.

803
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: We're seeing nothing that's keeping the other team off stride.

804
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: I mean chucked the ball down the field. Sometimes. We're

805
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: talking earlier in the year about how we can't wait

806
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: to see Barkley come out on a wheel route. I

807
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: adn't seeing a wheel route all year. Do rollout, spread

808
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: out legs for anything to keep the other team off balance?

809
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: Are not seeing anything? Mark? How many times is Eli

810
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're wrong, Okay, I'm not saying you're

811
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: wrong with I am how many times look at the

812
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: schemes and the formations. You don't know what you're watching.

813
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: How many times has Eli been sacked this year? I

814
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: understand that. And what you do to counteract the sack

815
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: is do something different, like a rollout or a bootleg.

816
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: You kinda you can't keep doing the same thing. And

817
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: because of our offensive line, which is the problem that

818
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: you're sort of describing, you can't be a problem. Something

819
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: different to happen to hurry up offense, do something that

820
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: is going to keep them from just team off on

821
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: Eli and and playing this cover two and cover three.

822
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: We're not doing anything creative to get out of what

823
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: we're what we're doing, and that's my whole point. Thanks

824
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: for the call, Mark, much appreciated. He obviously hasn't watched

825
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: too many games this year because the formations that the

826
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: Giants are using with double tight ends, they're using sometimes

827
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: double stack recy verse, they're using uh running backs, running

828
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: out on routes into the slot with its Goldman Barcley

829
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: has done some stuff out by the boundary. The formations

830
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: and the schematics that they're using offensively are vastly different

831
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: than anything they did last year. Vastly different. Now, if

832
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: you want to argue about where the ball's going, and

833
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: what the progressions are and and and what the play

834
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: call is. You can you can certainly make your comments

835
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: about that. You cannot make comments though, about the creativity

836
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: of the scheme, because the player of deployment is significantly

837
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Speaker 1: different than anything that mcado did. All right, let's go

838
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: to our buddy in Columbia, Maryland, who's always uh a

839
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: fun conversation, our buddy land Land. You're on with Russ

840
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: and PAULI dots. How are we doing? Yeah, hey guys,

841
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 1: how you doing good? Hey listen, just a quick compliment,

842
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: thank you for spending so much time on the officiating.

843
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: That was worth it. It It was terrible on Sunday. No

844
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: one's gonna dispute and I'll tell you, um, you know,

845
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: it was just I mean, it was bad. I don't

846
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how else to put it. And it

847
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: affected the game. I'm not just saying that because the

848
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: Giants lost. I mean, it's just there were a lot

849
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: of calls in there. It's just just just hard to explain. Okay, Russ,

850
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: this is um you know what, Land, If you give

851
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: me half a second, I just want to make a

852
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: comment about the Goldman hit. I just watched it again

853
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: in slow motion. The player did lower himself to attack Golman,

854
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: but his helmet was to the front of Goldman and

855
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: it was his shoulder that actually went smack into Goldman.

856
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: There's nothing dirty about that play, WHATSOE just just to

857
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: make that clear ahead, Yeah, well, Paul, let me let

858
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: me add something to that, and in the form of

859
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: a question. Yeah, if if with the crown of your

860
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 1: head you hit the ball first, is that a penalty?

861
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: It's probably not a penalty. It's a good question, you

862
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: know what, Probably not a penalty. One eight. I didn't

863
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: want to compliment you, you know, the official, you know

864
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: what's trying to be crazy about the officiating. When the

865
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: guy standing over the play doesn't throw the flag and

866
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: somebody throws it from fifteen yards away, that's always that

867
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: that that's been a bitch for everybody. No, no, I

868
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: mean everybody. Yeah, everybody could wait a minute, you're calling

869
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: it here, but that guy can't. I mean, he's on

870
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: top of it. And why is the guy, like, you know,

871
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: twenty yards away calling it with nine bodies in between,

872
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: you know? And that goes back to my point earlier,

873
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: when if officials need to have the need to conference.

874
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: They feel the need to conference. You'd like the eye

875
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 1: and the sky to be able to pick up that flag.

876
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: But now Russ makes a good point. You got officials

877
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: who don't want to be held accountable, who may may

878
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: not want to have that conference because oh no, if

879
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: we have a conference, then the eye and the sky

880
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: might fix the call and they'll find out that I'm wrong.

881
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: I mean, human nature by all officials in every sport

882
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: is that they don't want to be caught right hand.

883
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: Did that they made a mistake? That there you go

884
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: when the rifts, when when the riffs start talking to

885
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: each other on the field, Um, the the riff that

886
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: made the call has got to agree to pick up

887
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 1: that flag. If he doesn't agree to pick up that flag,

888
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: that penalty is going to stand. It's gonna stand. That's right,

889
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: and you and you know human nature is he gonna

890
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: want to do? They listen, we didn't see it. What

891
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: do you want to do? If he says, oh no,

892
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: I saw a penalty, it stays no. That's the way

893
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: the system works right now, which is why I'd love

894
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: to see the Eye and the Sky be able to

895
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: pick up that flag. I'd love to be able to

896
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: see that. I think that I think the league that's

897
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 1: that's a good idea, Paul, and I think the league

898
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: needs to consider those kinds of things when we get

899
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: into the you know, when we get into the off season. Russ,

900
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: I just want to tell PAULI that the next thing

901
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: that I say here is an extension of my conversation

902
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: yesterday with you about how I think things are going

903
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: to get better as we go forward. A couple a

904
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: couple of things that we got to remember. For first

905
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: of all, counting the upcoming game on Sunday, three of

906
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: these five teams who are playing our top ten teams

907
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: easily top ten teams who we are probably gonna win

908
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 1: ten games apiece. I mean, the competition has been tough.

909
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 1: The competition. Remember something, If you look at the schedule,

910
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: there's not want ounce a competition where you can say

911
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: this is a win, this is a win, this is

912
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: it's a killer schedule, especially the first seven eight games.

913
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, but when when you when you look at

914
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: these teams, you know, you look at New Orleans. One

915
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: thing that hasn't been discussed. I hate to go back

916
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: for us. I know you don't want to do that,

917
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: but just sit in the New Orleans game. That offensive

918
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: line is awfully good. That New Orleans offensive I mean,

919
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: that's a that's as good an offensive line as we're

920
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: on to face all year. I mean that that was

921
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: a good one. Things are going Things are gonna get better, PAULI,

922
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: that was my theme yesterday. Let me add a couple

923
00:53:53,880 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: of things, if if for if for nothing else, we're

924
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: not gonna see those kinds of penalties two and three

925
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: weeks in a row. Okay. Secondly, the ball isn't always

926
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: going to bounce the way it bounced on that fumbled punt,

927
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 1: the gain play, I mean, even the even the fumble

928
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: that Latimer picked up. Um, you know, the ball to

929
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: spounce right up there. I mean, it's it's it's gonna bounce, definitely.

930
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: It's a funny shape ball. You know that it's not

931
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: always gonna be bad things happening in the Giants and games.

932
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: But I think, I think as we go through things

933
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: that things are gonna get better. Now here's here's one

934
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: thing I would like to see happen. Lets just do

935
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 1: me if ever, you know we're running low on time,

936
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: We've got to get to another call, make your point,

937
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: and then we gotta go to somebody else. Okay, okay, real,

938
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: real quick. I'll make it quick. The two biggs advantages

939
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: that the offensive has if they know what the play

940
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: is going to be, when they know when the ball

941
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: is going to be snapped, that's a huge advantage. College

942
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: college coaches pro coaches spend millions and millions of dollars

943
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: trying to figure out those two things. I would like

944
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: to see the Giants come up to the line of scrimmage.

945
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: We fifteen seconds left and run the play, not wait

946
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: till three seconds left. Crucially's pretty smart. He's gonna figure

947
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: things out. Come up to the line of scrimmage, faster

948
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: pace to the line of scrimmage, and call the play.

949
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: I like that. Let's let's get on with things. Let's

950
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: pick things up. That's one of the differences I want

951
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: to see on Sunday. Alright, thanks for taking my call.

952
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 1: Than appreciate it. By the way, that was a Lombardi theory.

953
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: Lombardi used to say all the time, get up to

954
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: the line, get the quick count, get that snap off,

955
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: because more often than not, you will catch the defense

956
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: off balance. That was a Lombardi theory. So I'm with

957
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: your land that's just comment. But there is one small

958
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 1: asterisk here, and that is your offensive line. Remember now

959
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: has only had two games together, and ELI needs to

960
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: make sure they've got the right protections called out and

961
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: the center in this case, uh, it's it's now Greco.

962
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: He needs to then make or that the line has

963
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: the proper protections called out. Good point, because again, we

964
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: want this aught to be precision run. But it's not

965
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 1: a video game. Russ. No, it's not. And again, whether

966
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: anybody wants to hear it or not, they're all new

967
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: pieces on that offensive line, each and every one of them.

968
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: Let's go to Ed. Ed in Massachusetts has been very,

969
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: very patient. I thank you for waiting, Ed. We've just

970
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: got a couple of minutes. What do you got for

971
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: his buddy? How are you doing, guys? Good? First time,

972
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: first time caller, longtime listener. Thanks, I'm sorry I said

973
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: welcome aboard foul. Oh hey, no problem. I just want

974
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: to be I just want to say that I am

975
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: on board with Kwon Barkley. Wanted Barkley from the get go. Okay,

976
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: and I think one of the biggest problems that I'm

977
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: seeing is we need to run the ball. Everybody knows

978
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: we need to run the football. Kwon Barkley is a

979
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: running back. This young man from the belt down to

980
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: his shoe as is built to run the football. Nobody

981
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,439
Speaker 1: can question that. When you look at the left side

982
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: of the offensive line, we went and we drafted Hernandez

983
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: in there. You've got Nate Soldier over on the other side.

984
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 1: Spend a ton of money on him. You got Rhett Ellison,

985
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: pull the guard, get her Nandez out in space. The

986
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: guy's a run blocking beast. He's not a past blocking guy. Yet,

987
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: get him out there, let him eat out of the open,

988
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: out in the open space, and let's run the ball

989
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: around the corner you touched on the stack and the

990
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: two wide receivers. Get two wide receivers out there. Get

991
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: these guys out in space, blocking down the field, and

992
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: let's run the football. I just I don't, I just

993
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: can't understand why we're throwing it to this kid so

994
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: many times. Excuse me, Ed, you know, Pat Sherman, and

995
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: you know we gotta hang out bed because we're you know,

996
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: just about at a time. But thanks for bringing that

997
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: point up. I think that Pat has said to us, uh.

998
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: And when I say us, the media which in turn

999
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: gets said to you the fans. He said after getting yeah,

1000
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: he'd like to get him more touches. And he wasn't

1001
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: talking about just about a little out pass. Let him

1002
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: rush the ball, and I think, I'm I'm I'm surmising

1003
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: that's gonna be in the game plan. Yeah. I'm gonna

1004
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: give you one stat. When opponents through three games against

1005
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: the Panthers this year have run the ball behind right

1006
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: tackle or off the edge to the right side, they've

1007
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: got twenty four rushes for one hundred and nine nine yards.

1008
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: That is eight point two yards per carry. When running

1009
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: the ball behind right tackle or to the right edge

1010
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: against this Panthers defense, that is a significant amount of

1011
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: yard address. I would say, yeah, se Kwon Barkley, it's

1012
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: time to attack. All right, listen, we have time for

1013
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: one more call here, Brandon. Alright, let's we'll wrap it

1014
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: up because Bruce and Albany, Georgia has been hanging on again. Bruce,

1015
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: thanks to you, but a lot of calls, this more

1016
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: a lot of conversation. What do you got, Bruce? Yeah, thanks, thanks,

1017
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: thanks a lot. I love you, guys. Um. I never

1018
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: played football, and I've watched football. Sister seventies. I was

1019
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: are born in New Jersey. I'm down here in all

1020
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: me Um, and I have a I have a question

1021
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: for you this new kickoff returns. Um. I watched Pat

1022
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: Summers press conference and he said, yeah, the guy pulled

1023
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: oneted two out. This questionable. But it seems like with

1024
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: the new way that it's set up. Every time the

1025
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: part I mean, the kickoff returner grabbed the ball and

1026
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: he starts to run, he's being met at the seven,

1027
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: eight or nine or ten yard nine? What what what's

1028
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: different because the fourth teams like we would get into

1029
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: the fifteen maybe to the twenties. What's the difference of

1030
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: what we used to have to what we have now?

1031
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: The Giants have not had very accomplished kick returners on

1032
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: their team all season. They're having a lot of trouble ahead.

1033
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: No thanks for the call, Bruce. We just gotta get

1034
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: going here, simply part the Giants in the part return

1035
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: and kick return game have been very, very poor. Their

1036
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: average starting field position Russ, did you know this is

1037
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: the twenty four and a half yard line. That is

1038
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: the third worst average starting field position in the National

1039
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: Football League. And by the way, that also dramatically impacts

1040
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: the offensive playbook and anybody who doesn't think so doesn't

1041
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: know anything about football, because it changes your calls and

1042
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: it changes how the defense is going to play you

1043
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: and the Giants have been playing uphill uphill virtually all

1044
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: season long because their field position has been terrible. That's

1045
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: a big deal. It's all connected, as we've been saying,

1046
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: it is all connected, and you know what, it all

1047
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: needs to be improved. Each in every aspect needs to

1048
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: be improved. Anyway, folks, that little that's a rapp But

1049
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: we want to remind all of you once again that

1050
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff live here presented all the time to

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