1 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: This is the official Titans podcast. I might keep with 2 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: Amy Wells. Amy, Hello, Hello, how are you? You know? 3 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: I have a lot of favorite NFL writers. I'm fine, 4 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: by the way, good not to just move on to 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: what I was reading off ignored. Okay, I have a 6 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: lot of favorite NFL writers, but Pete Prisco is right 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: at the top of my list. He knows this. I 8 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: have bragged about it to his face before you have 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,959 Speaker 1: CBS Sports. Welcome, Pete Prisco. Are you guys good? How 10 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: are you? I'm good? You know. If if there is 11 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: any better follow on Twitter than Pete Prisco, I don't 12 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: know who it is, because I think you argue with 13 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 1: everybody I do, and you enjoy it. I do. It's 14 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: like a It's like going to the bar and having 15 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: a beer and arguing sports with people. That's what Twitter 16 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: is for me. But all the time never stops. You 17 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: never have to leave. Now, yeah you can leave. You 18 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: just get out of there for a while and then 19 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: you clear your head and come back in. But we've 20 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: talked before. I feel like I know your personality, so 21 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: when I read your Twitter, I understand that it's not personal. 22 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: This is just who you are. You don't mean anything 23 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: ugly towards anybody. You could see if people don't know you, however, 24 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: right that it could be taken as snapping somebody angry 25 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: old man, that's what they Yes, yeah, no, that's not me. 26 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: If it's something about the SEC, because you're an Arizona 27 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: State guy, you have no patience for the SEC. You 28 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: think the SEC is horribly overrated. No, I love the SEC. Okay, 29 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: it's a great conference. But I'm envious. You're envious. Yeah, okay, 30 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: it was like when Josh Dobbs d committed from Arizona 31 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: State and decided to go to Tennessee. You were furious, yes, 32 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: and you're trying to feel personal. Well, but I'm saying 33 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: this is what you get. The other famous thing, the 34 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson feud. There was another one too, It was 35 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: the Tebow one that still goes around a little bit. 36 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: But the Russell Wilson explain how the Russell Wilson thing 37 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: works with you on Twitter and who you're sparring partner 38 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: is about that Mike Freeman. Mike Freeman, who is Russell 39 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: Wilson's personal pr man. I think even though he works 40 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: in the media industry. Look, I think Russell Wilson is good. 41 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: I don't think he's great. I think he's very good, 42 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: but I don't think he's great. So everybody wants to 43 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: rush him up being calling him elite quarterback. There's only 44 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: so many elite quarterbacks in this league. You have Brady Rogers, Breeze, 45 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: and Roethlisberger. And Roethlisberger is telling off a little bit, 46 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: but that's it. The rest of the guys are all. 47 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: You know, you'd lump him in, you know, five through thirteen, 48 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: you can interchange him. So I don't think he's great, 49 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: he's very good. So Freeman obviously thinks he's great. So 50 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: that's how that all started, and we get into it 51 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: and back and forth. Give me your rankings, though, Like 52 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: what determines an elite quarterback in your mind? What's the 53 00:02:55,080 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: standard there? Can you carry a team? Do you cure ills? 54 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: And if you look at the Patriots, they've had a 55 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: lot of ills over the years and he cures them. 56 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: Look at the Packers when Rogers goes out there not 57 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: the same close to being the same team. Roethlisberger same way, 58 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: and Breeze is special. So can you carry a team? 59 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: And do you cure problem areas? And I think that's 60 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: how you can define it. Now. If I was Seattle, 61 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: and this is gonna sound strange saying this, I would 62 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: build that thing around Russell Wilson running through because the 63 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: old and you guys know this in Tennessee, the old 64 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: archaic ways of running the football and playing good defense, 65 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: that's not how you win anymore. You look at the Eagles, 66 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: they won that Super Bowl. They had a good defense, 67 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: but they won the Super Bowl because they were aggressive 68 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: and played that way. I think you have to with 69 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: the rules the way they already have to build around 70 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. Do you like the game right now in 71 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: the NFL? I do because I like strategy, I like creativity. 72 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: I don't like the old you know, and I don't. 73 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I grew up on I love 74 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: the game as a kid when they played power football 75 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: and ran the football. But I used to sit there 76 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: and I remember as a kid, my dad would we 77 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: were Giant fans, and he'd yet run run pass, run, 78 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: run pass. You know, it's just not the way you 79 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: play the game anymore. It's passed to set up the 80 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: run and not run to set up the pass. And 81 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: so I think we're getting to that more and more. 82 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: And in Tennessee last year exotic smash Mouth wasn't so exotics, 83 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: not as exotic as he was in twenty sixteen. And 84 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: he said it was gonna be exotic, he did, and 85 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't exotic. I think you need to be creative, 86 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: and I think this new regime and in Tennessee will 87 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: be creative. You like the Matt Lafleur hire as the 88 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: offensive I do. I like young rising coach. I really 89 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: like the ray Will hire. By the way, why so 90 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: much because he's one of those guys that commands a room. 91 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: When he walks in, he commands a room, you just 92 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: feel the presence. He's a former players, played for good coaches, 93 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: he's coached under good coaches, and he walks in and 94 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: you just feel. And he's not gonna get too caught 95 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: up in all the manu shit, I don't think. And 96 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: because he's been a player and he understands it. I look, 97 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: Malarkey was a player too, but Mike got too caught 98 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: up in all the all the other stuff. I don't 99 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: think Raybel's going to do that. And I think he's 100 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: gonna let his coach his coach. He's already you heard 101 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: him when he came out, We're not gonna run in 102 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: a nine man fronts. We're gonna we're gonna aggressive, We're 103 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: gonna throw the football. He's smart that way. And I 104 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: think getting a young, innovative coach like Lafour coming from 105 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: that McVeigh who was very aggressive, I think they're going 106 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: to be aggressive on offense. The thing that has struck 107 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: me about the Titans coaching hires, from head coach all 108 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: the way down through the entire staff is the mix 109 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: of young and up and comers, but also some veterans. 110 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: Even in our coordinators. Deemp's veteran coach has been around 111 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: the league a long time, Matt Lafleur, young, up and comer. 112 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: How helpful is that going to be to this team 113 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: that they have that mix of both. Yeah, I think 114 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: that's good. Like you saw that with the Rams. They 115 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: had Wade Phillips's defensive coordinator and they had you know, 116 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: the young offensive coordinators. So I think that's a good 117 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: thing to have the good mix of the old. And Hey, 118 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: they got DMP's out of retirement, so he was yeah, 119 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: and he obviously wants to coach with Mike Rabel, that's 120 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: a good thing. And he's a guy that is established. 121 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: What do you think he can bring to this defense? Yeah, look, 122 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: he's going to bring an aggressive approach. And one thing 123 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: about Mike Rabel too, he took people when they hired him. 124 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: He said, well, this defense wasn't very good that he 125 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: recordinated it. He lost JJ Wad, he lost Whitney Merciless, 126 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: he had to injury reason the back end. Brian Cushing 127 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: was hurt for a bunch of the year and got suspended. 128 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: So you can't. I don't care who you are, You're 129 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: not coordinating defense without players, and you need players. Is 130 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: the rest of the national media ready to stop making 131 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: fun of the AFC South? Now? It might be one 132 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: of the best divisions in football this year. If Andrew 133 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: Luck comes back and is the same Andrew Luck, that's 134 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: the big f If he comes back and he's the 135 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: same Andrew Luck, they're gonna be the Colts and they 136 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: have a lot of young talent on that team. The 137 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: Jaguars are gonna be very good, The Titans are going 138 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: to be good, and the Texans, if they get Watson 139 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: back where he was and Watton Merciless come back, they're 140 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: gonna be good. So any one of the four teams 141 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: can win a division, and I think it's gonna be 142 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: a really good football division. Listen to that. Write that down. 143 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: He said it one of the best divisions, might be 144 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: the best, might cop to bottom. It might be if 145 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: luck comes back, they're going to be it might be 146 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: the best division. Yeah, I mean, I think you could 147 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: have a two game space, a two or a three 148 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: game space between first and last in the division. Yeah. 149 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: They they're gonna beat up on each other this year, 150 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: and their schedules are tougher too, based on where they're 151 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: having to play the division they're having to play. Last year, 152 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: the schedules worked out favorably for both the Titans and 153 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: the Jaguars. The Titans unfortunately didn't take advantage of it 154 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: when they had some opportunities. The Jaguars took more of 155 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: an advantage of it. The difference really in the season 156 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: ended up being Jacksonville went to Pittsburgh and won. Tennessee 157 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: went to Pittsburgh and did not win, right, I mean 158 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: the key And that's really as tough as it is 159 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: for a Titan to say. The difference in their season, 160 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: the difference in where they went going obviously to the 161 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: AFC Championship Game. Is they took a major step in 162 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: the process proving that they could go to hines Field 163 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: and win twice and did it by scoring a lot 164 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: of points. I mean, you know, that's one thing you 165 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,239 Speaker 1: don't do at Pittsburgh. You know, they're the only team 166 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: in history that's gone to Pittsburgh and won twice in 167 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: the same season. And they've done it twice. I mean, 168 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: they did it in two thousand and seven when they 169 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: were last in the playoffs, and they did it again 170 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: this year. That doesn't happen. Look, they should have beat 171 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: New England. They had them. They should have been that. 172 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: When you supposedly our defensive minded team and you have 173 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: a ten point lead, I don't care if it's against 174 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: Tom Brady and you're facing third and eighteen. The Patriots 175 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: had third and eighteen and converted on third and eighteen. 176 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: That shouldn't happen. Now, some of their defensive guys got hurt. 177 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: I mean they were like Campbell got hurt and I 178 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: think the second series and played through it. And Goguay 179 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: was on the sidelines because he got hurt. So you 180 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: know there's something. But you blitz them, they stay back 181 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: and play coverage, and they blew the coverage and converted 182 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: on third and eighteen. They stop him there, they go 183 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. Give me what your relationship is 184 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: like now with Tom Coughlin compared to when you covered 185 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: the Jaguars on a daily basis back in the nineties. 186 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: He's warmed up to me? What's warmed up me? Where 187 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: it was he used to call my house and cust 188 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: me out on a regular basis, So you know he 189 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: didn't do that anymore. So did he start the conversation, Pete, 190 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: it's Tom? Or did he just start immediately and you 191 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: knew no, it was you? B B B B B 192 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: B B B b B. Don't ever give those players 193 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: an excuse. B B B B B. You call me 194 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: at six thirty in the morning one morning, and I 195 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: told him I had been out with my brother, and 196 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: I like, Tom, do I call you at your house 197 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: at six thirty in the morning. Don't call me? I 198 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: hung up on you hung up on the head at me? 199 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: What about they had? It was the first year in 200 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: ninety five they went to Steven's Point in Wisconsin for 201 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: six weeks of training. Came six and he beat the 202 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: daylights out of him. I mean beat him up. Well, 203 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: they played a preseason game in Miami, and instead of 204 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: breaking camp, they went back again. Then they go to 205 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: Detroit and played their last preseason game and the old 206 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: Silver Dome had no air conditioning and it was the 207 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: hottest summer ever up there. So it was like one 208 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: hundred and ten in that building and the players they 209 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: got to show. It was like forty five to seven 210 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: or something. And I walked into the locker room. This 211 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: is on the Thursday night. I walked into the locker 212 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: room and they go, we have no legs. He killed us. 213 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: So I have my story. Legs are gone. Calf and 214 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: killed them, so I write it. Fly Home had been 215 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: I had been in Steven's Point for six weeks. I 216 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: go out with my brother, we go. I was living 217 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: with my brother. Then he becomes, knocks on the door, coughlin. 218 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: I got six thirty, put it on my phone. Hello, 219 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: he goes. He starts railing on me, and I got 220 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: that's what I told him. I hung up on him. Yeah, 221 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: he was. We used to have some I mean, he 222 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: came at me a bunch of different ways, But I 223 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: love the guy I love. When I left, I took 224 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: the job, which where I am now. In two thousand, 225 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: in the middle of the season, was then sports Line 226 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: and I went. I remember I went to him and 227 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: I say, Tom, I just want to let you know 228 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: I'm leaving. I'm going through sports Line. And I shook 229 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: his hand and he said respect and I said nothing 230 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: but respect. If he worked hard, he respected you. He 231 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: didn't like it, I mean I was. He hated it, 232 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: but he respect If he did the work, he respected you. 233 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: I love the guy. He's like. I was with him 234 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: on his when he won the first year when he 235 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 1: was in New York. I went to every one of 236 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: those I was covering those games and went to every 237 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: one of them. And I remember he came off remember 238 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,599 Speaker 1: a Green Bay game when it was freezing out and 239 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: his face was all read. I thought he was gonna 240 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: lose part of his face. And I was scared to 241 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: death for him. Yeah, I was. I was. That was, 242 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: by the way, that was the coldest game I've ever 243 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: been at. And you remember that? Were you doing the 244 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: games when when you've done him all the whole time, 245 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: the whole time, Do you remember the game in New 246 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: England in the playoff game when the Titans played in 247 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: New I do remember how cold it was. I do. 248 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: This was worse, Yes, like way worse. So I'm in 249 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: there and he comes walking out. His face is beat ready. 250 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: He goes to the podium and he looks at me, 251 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: walks off, and he goes, you're the only guy who 252 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: picked us. I said, how do you know? You used 253 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: to tell me you never in anything. I just remember, Amy. 254 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: I don't mean to interrupt your time, but this is 255 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: a great story. So we play in the AFC Championship 256 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: game at Jacksonville in January of two thousand and I 257 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: am sick that week. I mean so sick I can't 258 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: get out of bed. They load me on the plane 259 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: to go down on Friday, and I mean, I'm beyond ill. 260 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: They put me to bed, gave me something. I slept 261 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: for like sixteen hours. I get up Saturday night and 262 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: I finally feel well enough to do a little bit 263 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: of work. Well, we'd seen Jacksonville twice, so I kind 264 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: of knew him. We had played on Christmas Eve, so 265 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: I still had my notes from that game, so that 266 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: was gonna be okay. They're doing a show on television 267 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: from the landing and it is the Jacksonville Jaguar pep rally. 268 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: They've just beaten Miami sixty two to seven. They're going 269 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: to crush us. They are the most talented overall team 270 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: in football, and they are going to crush us. And 271 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: they are celebrating before the game. So they go to 272 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: everybody's picks, and here's here's Freddie the weather man, and 273 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: he's oh, Jacksonville fifty to nothing. Here's so and so 274 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: with ww RZ Rooster Country and his pick is Jacksonville 275 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: forty five to two. And then there's Pete Priscoe in 276 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: front of all these people. You picked the tight I did? 277 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: You did? I don't remember that because I still think 278 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: that I probably did it just the irritated worked. I 279 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: thought the Jaguars were a better team. They were the 280 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: better team. They haven't beat him at all that year, 281 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: but they didn't have no But they didn't have it 282 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: was it's like you aren't tough enough. I don't. I 283 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: don't know what if I used to tell them that. 284 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: But it's like in basketball, there are just certain matchups 285 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: that don't fit. The Titans and the Ravens in those 286 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: years were like that. The Titans had a better team 287 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: in two thousand, but it was the wrong sort of matchup. 288 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny you mentioned Coughlin because actually there's 289 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 1: a Titans game that year, and you'll remember this that 290 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: led to one of his great rants on me. You 291 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: remember the first one it was. You remember the end 292 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: of that game. They had a they all he needed 293 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: was a field goal to send the game in the overtime, 294 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: but he decided he was going to throw into the 295 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: end zone and samari Roll picked off Mark Runelle in 296 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: the end zone. Well, Coughlin comes to the podium after 297 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: the game and kind of lays Runelle out in front 298 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: of the media. You don't do that. I heard the 299 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: next day he brought him into the into his office 300 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: and just railed on him, just reamed them. So the 301 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: players all come to me and they say, hey, there's 302 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: a real problem with the coach at quarterback. You gotta 303 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: get the bottom of this. So I go and sniffing around. 304 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: I go, I can write this, but I need you know, sources, 305 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: and a couple of them. Well I ended up getting them. 306 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: The paper wasn't comfortable with just unnamed sources, so they 307 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: made me write it as a column on Sunday. So 308 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: the column comes out on Sunday, they're playing in Pittsburgh 309 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: that day. They I can't remember they won that game 310 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: or a lot. I think they were. They didn't lose 311 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: another game except the Titans that year, so they won that. 312 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: They won that game that pitched for I think it 313 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: was the next week or it was a couple of 314 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: weeks later. The door swings open from the from the 315 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: locker room into the media room and pits whe Remember 316 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: all three River Stadium is like a lower hole in 317 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: the wall, so dump he sees me, and Jess goes not, 318 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: you're checking out. Yeah, and that was before the days 319 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: of all the cameras and everything, so it wasn't didn't 320 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: go viral or anything. But John Saracino was there and 321 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: happened to be working for you. He was the USA, 322 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: so he wrote about it and put it in there. 323 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, they should have beat the Titans that year. 324 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: That the second time they played him, the Titans blew 325 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: them out on Sunday night, Miss Christmas. It was the 326 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: day after Chris It was December twenty six. Mcnairthrew five 327 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: touchdown pass the tight ends killed him. And and yeah, 328 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: Jackie Harris had a long touchdown and Samari Roll had 329 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: three interceptions in that game, and it was clear by 330 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: early in the second half Jacksonville wasn't very interested. They 331 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: had to win one of their last two. They were 332 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: basically the division. Yeah, that was they were in good shape, 333 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: and so they they kind of packed it in and said, 334 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: we'll see in the playoffs if you even get to us. 335 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: And I got it. The other thing about that first 336 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: game in ninety nine. So at the end, after the 337 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: role interception, there's still time left. They took a safety. 338 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: They took a safety with the famous Jeff Fisher play 339 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: that they worked on over and over and over again, 340 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: which was snapped the ball to the punter. Craig Hendrick 341 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: runs around the end zone as long as he can 342 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: and steps out the other ten guys tackle a guy, right, 343 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: that's that's your only job is to tackle a guy. Well, 344 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: there are flags everywhere. I mean they're throwing hats. They're 345 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: throwing because there were like ten, literally ten holding penalties 346 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: on the play. Coughlin and the staff come on the field. 347 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, the game can end 348 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: on a defensive penalty. Whoops, the Titans were still on offense. Right, 349 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: game ends. Titans win twenty to nine. Yep. And when 350 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: you look at the score, look back at that score, 351 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: you say, twenty nineteen, why didn't they kick the field goal? 352 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: But people forget that they took that safety again, yeah 353 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: or whatever. It was a three point game. Yeah, here's 354 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: a question for both of you. Do you think that 355 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: we are starting to get back to the Titans Jags 356 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: rivalry of questionable? I think that's one of the reasons 357 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: the Titans hired Mike vrabel Is, knowing that the Jacksonville 358 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: team is going to physically be a bully type team 359 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: and that you better have that mentality. Absolutely, I think 360 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: there's they hate. They hated Jeff Fisher and Jacksonville, by 361 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: the way, absolutely still do. Oh. They hated him. Absolutely, 362 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: He's one of the all time hate most hated guys there. 363 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: And you know what I do once in a while 364 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: is I get im irritated. I say, let's get the 365 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: old fight song out there was remember the super Bowl song? 366 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: They had a Super Bowl raps on that they made 367 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: what it's a week before the Super Bowl, before before 368 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: the championship game, because they thought they were going to 369 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. They were players. You can find it online. 370 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: It's called It's something like uh oh. And then and 371 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: Fisher played it. He played it the night before, he 372 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: held it up. They got they got like an old 373 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: school boom box. And Fisher ended the Saturday night meeting 374 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: before the AFC Championship game playing it and just walked out. 375 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: He just dropped it. I mean, he dropped the mic 376 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: is what he did. He just walked out of the room. 377 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: Because the first thing that Lorenz O'Neil said in the 378 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: locker room when he walked in after they had won 379 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: it was, oh, yeah, I must find this. I need 380 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: to hear that. Keenan McCardell was now the coach in Jacksonville, 381 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: is one of the rappers, and Jimmy Smith and Leon 382 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,239 Speaker 1: Searcy and it's like, I'm big serious. I mean, they 383 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: got this whole rap thing going, and I always joke 384 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 1: around and go, maybe they can make up, maybe they 385 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: can make another raps on him. Don't start that. But 386 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's interesting you would say 387 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: that because we're playing Thursday night football against them in 388 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen and Rich Eisen is there for NFL Network 389 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: and he so doesn't want to be there. He was talking, 390 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, he and he made it clear on the air. 391 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: Why are we doing this game? I said, what you 392 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: have to understand is this will be a good football game. 393 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: I know these two teams are out, but this will 394 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: be a good football game because there's something there that 395 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: has the team's generally split. Every year, one team wins 396 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: when they're not supposed to, and then the other team 397 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: wins when they're not supposed to because there's just this 398 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: college sort of thing and NFL teams, you know, the 399 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: Bears and the Packers have it. Different teams have it 400 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: with each other. It's a great thing, right, It's a 401 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: great thing for the game. I agree, And this year 402 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: was the first year that I felt I mean, in 403 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: years past, yes, we've played the Jags, we usually split 404 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: with them, as you said, but it's always kind of 405 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: been like both teams are kind of struggling, so it's 406 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: not really super exciting. This year, both of those games 407 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: were physical, they were dirty. It was awesome and so good. 408 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: And that kind of went back to last year because 409 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: at the end of the year when Mario who got 410 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: hurt in that game, remember, and so they then they 411 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: won that game. It kind of carried it over to 412 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: this year. They don't like each other and being physical. 413 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: Like you said, both teams are usually physical, so that 414 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: it kind of only enhances it. Who what other teams 415 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: do you really like to watch play in this day 416 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: and time. If they're on TV, you'll stop and watch, 417 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: no matter who the opponent is. I want, you know, 418 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: I watch every game because we have the we're in 419 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: the green room. We have every game on. It's beautiful. 420 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: It's a great thing. We got nine ten big TVs 421 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:31,959 Speaker 1: in front of us. So I watch every game. But 422 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: who do I enjoy watching? I like watching I like 423 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: watching Aaron Rodgers play when he plays. I like the 424 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: great quarterbacks. I want to watch great quarterbacks. I don't 425 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: I don't defense. If it's a six three game, it 426 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: does nothing for me. It really doesn't. So and I 427 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: like because I like the offensive strategy. How you're going 428 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: to attack them? How do you do it? I love 429 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: watching Brady. You know everybody has Patriot fatigue, but you 430 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: gotta step back and really appreciate them for what they are. 431 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's an amazing story, it really is. So yeah, 432 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: I like watching the great quarterbacks. Can we talk about 433 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: rules changes first? I have a question. Is this going 434 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: to be the year that we figure out once and 435 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: for all. What it catches, No, because even if they 436 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: change the rule to take the ground out of it, 437 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: people are still going to complain about it. We're in 438 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: an era now with all the social media and Twitter 439 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: and everything. No matter what the rule is, people are 440 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: going to complain about it. I remember when the officials 441 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: were the replacement officials. Remember the abuse the replacement official. Well, 442 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:26,959 Speaker 1: people in the league office told me there were at 443 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: least twenty guys that were replacement officials that were better 444 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: than the guys they had. But remember the media swarm 445 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: on them was ridiculous, and now they hate these officials. 446 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: It was easy. So now the regular officials come back 447 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: and they now they all get them. It's hard game 448 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: to officiate. They need to add an eighth official permanently. 449 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: At an eighth official, the game is too fair. Where 450 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: would the eighth officials that they have to work out? 451 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: I mean you have to adjust them a little bit, 452 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: but you need the game is so fast. It's too 453 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: fast for the seven and a lot of those guys 454 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: are older, right, and you know, so you gotta be 455 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: I think an eighth official will help alleviate a lot 456 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: of problems. I would put the eighth official, basically where 457 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: the umpire is in the two minutes situation, that he 458 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: would go back to that role so he could help 459 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: out line of scrimmage type stuff, eliminating some of that 460 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: and maybe drop back and get some things into coverage 461 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: a little bit more. Yeah, you could adjust some of 462 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: the back guys. I mean, I just think that the 463 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: game is so fast you need an extra guy. Tho 464 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: the catch rule, the ground needs to get out of it. 465 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: I mean, like they reviewed the Earth's catch in the 466 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, took about eight steps and then But you 467 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: know the thing about that, Pete Is and Chris Collinsworth 468 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 1: got a lot of flak and I don't know that 469 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: he said it as artfully as he should have. But 470 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: his point was, for what it's been called during the season, 471 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: this is not a catch for what for what? They Yeah, 472 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. He took about four steps, I understand, 473 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: and they but they never said, like on the Jesse 474 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: James play, it was about the completion of the catch 475 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: to the ground. He never really never really took a 476 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: couple of steps though, he took like one and then 477 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 1: went to the ground. But if he has enough control 478 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: of the football to be able to lean it across 479 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: the goal, that's a catch, the same way the Earth's 480 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: play was. Now Earths took more steps. You're right, but 481 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: I think that's and that's what collins Worth was saying 482 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: about to throw in the back of the end zone 483 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: to the back is there was a bit of a bobble. 484 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: I think, you know, played in the backyard. That's a catch. Right. 485 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: But if you're going with what the rules interpretations had been, 486 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: which was we had way over interpreted this thing. You know, 487 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: it was like we were breaking down classical music note 488 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: by note. It's like this is ball, man, come on. See. 489 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: I think that rule they'll take the ground out of it. 490 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: But then the rule that needs to be changed as 491 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: a targeting rule, I think they got to make it 492 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: similar what the colleges do, but not they gotta do 493 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: it quicker than the colleges do it. If a guy, 494 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: if you put out a player and just lay them 495 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: out and he goes out with a concussion, why should 496 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: you not be penalized at all during the process of 497 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: the game. You should be ejected. You should be ejected, 498 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: and they don't. They just flag them. So if you 499 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: want to review, like college chance, I do too. Got 500 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: to do it quicker though, because look, if if a 501 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: guy is going for somebody and the other guy lowers 502 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: his head and you blast them, that's not an injection. 503 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: But if you throw a four armor to a guy's 504 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: help it, that's an injection. So I think you could. 505 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: It's easy to see, and I think they need to 506 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: do Yeah, ninety six hundred dollars is not a deterrent. 507 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: They throw that away and the night out of the town, 508 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: you know they don't care, So that's nothing. So I 509 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: agree with you. I think they need to They need 510 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: to make it more of a deterrent. And I think 511 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: you know, if you want to get safer, then chuck 512 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: the guys out for during the game. If you're a 513 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: big you're in a big game, and you get ejected 514 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: from the game, then that's gonna hurt your team a 515 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: lot more than ninety six hundred dollar fine. Will right, 516 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: All right, both of you fifteen yard defensive pass interference. 517 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: Are you for it or against it? I'm for it. 518 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: I'm against it why because if you're beat, you're pulling 519 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: them down. It takes. It takes, but it doesn't happen 520 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: all the time in college, and that's what the penalty is. 521 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: I mean, that was always the big comport than in 522 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: the NFL, though, well yeah, more than in the NFL 523 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: because it's fifteen yards. But you know, somebody said you 524 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: could make it like a clear path in the NBA, 525 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: Like if the guy's going to score a touchdown and 526 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: you pull them down, you award him a touchdown. But 527 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 1: I said, how do you know he's going to catch 528 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: the ball? Well, yeah, right, So it's not like when 529 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: you're dribbling with the ball and you're going to the layup. 530 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: You're gonna make the layup or the dunk or whatever. 531 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: It's not the same, all right, So what passes in Orlando. 532 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: I think they'll take the ground out of the catching. 533 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: For sure. They will do some sort of review of 534 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: the you know, unsportsmanlike conduct penalty to the head, I think, 535 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: but I don't know to that degree. I don't think 536 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: they'll do it that far. Do they make things? Do 537 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: they make more things reviewable? This year? They're trying to 538 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: speed the game up, So I don't think so, right. 539 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you know the processes too, but the process 540 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: should be so much quicker. You watch any NBA games, sure, right, 541 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: they go right to the sideline and look at the thing. Boom. Okay, 542 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: we're going, let's go. You know it needs to be faster. Well, 543 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: they tried to do that this year with the guy 544 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: with the pad who comes out and they're kind of 545 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: meeting in the field and there's the conference and there's 546 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: the phone call and the whole thing. In theory, it 547 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: was supposed to be faster coffee. Yeah, but it's just 548 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: felt so convoluted. But there's got to be took forever. 549 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: It took forever because it's the Super Bowl. But I 550 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: think it goes back to the judgment based on what 551 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: collins Worth was saying for what he got ripped on 552 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: is I'm sure in New York, I'm sure they're having 553 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: the discussion. Okay, how's this different than the Jesse James play, 554 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: because listen, they know how it looks. They understand can 555 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: we really turn this over? Like the famous John Madden's 556 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: story about the Immaculate Reception, referee goes into the Pirates, 557 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: Dugout picks up the phone. The Madden story of it is, 558 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: calls upstairs says, can you guarantee my safety? Right? Can 559 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: you guarantee my safety and the safety of my crew? 560 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: If we call this pass incomplete, with the basis of 561 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: the idea being Frenchie Fuqua touched the ball, thus by 562 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: rules then making it an incomplete pass, and the guy 563 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: upstairs to him, well we can, we can, He said, no, no, 564 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: can you guarantee my safety getting out of it? Well, 565 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: we probably can't guarantee it. Hangs the phone steps out 566 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: of the dugout touchdown Pittsburgh. I mean they know nobody's 567 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: to this day, they don't know who touched. They don't 568 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: they have no idea. Well, okay, Tennessee. Do they know 569 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: if the miracle went backwards? Oh? Yeah, we know. Just 570 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: talked to us. You still all know? We know? No 571 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: I did? I mean still pictures have shown the TV 572 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: angle does not show it properly. The camera right down 573 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: the twenty five yard line shows it. There's still some 574 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,959 Speaker 1: debate to who. A lot of people in Jacksonville they 575 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: were saying that Buffalo, I don't think this is the 576 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: guy to be talking to. That's like his whole name 577 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: kept a job all these years based that you just 578 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: don't seem very grumpy today. People grumpy. I'm not grumpy. 579 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: Mike slid Down is disappointing to Mike, I love. I mean, 580 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: your your angles are great and your insight is great. 581 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,479 Speaker 1: And why I love it too, is your a reporter, 582 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: so you base what you do on fact. You don't. 583 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: It's not just your opinion. It's your opinion rooted in fact, 584 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: and it's you love it. I do love that you 585 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: love the NFL, love it, love my job. It is 586 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: so what I want to do since I was a kid. Seriously, Yep, wow, 587 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: I was. I mean, I wrote on the school paper 588 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,479 Speaker 1: in high school, played football and actually put my own 589 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: name in my stories. Did you really? That's awesome? That's 590 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: the way it was. Because I did interview the coach 591 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: he said, who played well? He said, well, you played well? 592 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 1: I said, all right, put my name in my own story, 593 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: of course I did. How did that go over? Yeah? 594 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: They all gave me crap. Only Pete Prisco could pull that, 595 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: Oh I did. We should let players do that now, 596 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: just like you write the story, you tell it. It'll 597 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: be fun. You know, it's funny about that. That's another 598 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 1: Coughlin story. By the way. One day he comes out 599 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: late in the afternoon, he calls me out of the 600 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: media room. He goes gives me the look he always 601 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: had this slow what He goes B minus. I said, 602 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: what are you talking about? He goes, you gave me 603 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: a B minus grades grade coaching. Yeah, he he gave 604 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: me a B minus. We won twenty eight to whatever 605 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: it was. He goaues, you gave me a B minus. 606 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: I said, for first off, Tom, how do you know 607 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: you don't read anything? My daughter told me. That's what 608 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: he said to me. I said, well, here's what I'll 609 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: do for you, just for you tell me the grade 610 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: you think you should have got, and I'll put that 611 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: in the paper saying you think you should have got 612 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: this great tomorrow. And he stormed off. Tom Coughlin Hall 613 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: of Fame. Yes, he gets credit for building that thing 614 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, and he went to two super Bowls and 615 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: won him in New York and beat the arguably maybe 616 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: the group one of the great teams of all time 617 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: in the Patriots team that was undefeated. Yeah. Absolutely, it's 618 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: only fair he gets the respect he deserves. Yeah, and 619 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: still going strong, by the way, I mean, sharpess can be. Well. 620 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 1: I think we all knew when he came back in there. 621 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: First of all, Jacksonville in twenty sixteen was not a 622 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: three and thirteen team. They didn't play well, but they 623 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: were a better team than that, so it wasn't a 624 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: surprise they made a jump. But I believe everybody knew 625 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: that when Coughlin got there to help Dave Caldwell and 626 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: to help Doug Marrone, that he would maximize what they 627 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: do because I mean, he did it at Boston College. 628 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: He's done it wherever he's been. He knows ball and 629 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: he knows players. I'll give you something. It won't be 630 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: popular in Tennessee. Blake board out playing Marcus Mariota last year. Statistically, Yeah, 631 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: hit a better year. They need to get Marcus Mariota going. 632 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: He's going. Don't worry. I'm going going got that. I 633 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: think he can too, But they need to let him go. 634 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,479 Speaker 1: And you're not a Bortles hater either. No, there's more 635 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: at play there with with that team than him. You know, 636 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: they loved the players love him. He's tough stuff. He's 637 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: an athlete too, and he never missed his time. He's 638 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: rushed for five hundred and something yards last year. See, 639 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: I think as they get more people around them, he's 640 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: going to be better. They don't trust those wide receivers 641 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: were kids last year. Well, and that's the truth about 642 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: Mariota too. Yeah. And you know, people don't realize when 643 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: a rookie receiver comes in the league, he has no 644 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: earthly idea where he's going, right They you know, most 645 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: of those route concepts are reading on the run, So 646 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: you gotta you know, Drew Brees told me last year, 647 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: and this was amazing to me, but he told me 648 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: he threw completed one hundred so passes where he didn't 649 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: see the receiver. I went, what, I never saw him? 650 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: I said, why do you do that? He says, by 651 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: repping it and repping it and repping it and knowing 652 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: where that receiver is going by the coverage, and he 653 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: knows where the coverage and where he's going. Hundred passes 654 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: he never saw him. Is there a better interview than 655 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: Drew Brees? He's good when you get him going on football, 656 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: He's fantastic. Who else is on that list for Pete Priscoe? 657 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan's on that list? Really? Matt Ryan's great. Matt 658 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: Ryan might be one of you sit down with Matt Ryan. 659 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: You get I do anyway, great, great, great respect for him. 660 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: That's interesting, Chris, From the outside, you don't perceive that. No, 661 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: he seems I mean he seems very nice, very lovely, 662 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: but and I've never spoken to him. He seems lovely, 663 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: but like I would never think that he would be 664 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: that guy. No, he's good. You know, Bortles is actually 665 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: a really good guy. Oh yeah, he's quite human being. 666 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: Takes a ton of abuse in that city, tons and 667 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: stands there every game win or lose. He's right, there's 668 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: a he's a really good kid and and probably doesn't 669 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: deserve the crapp he takes. Who's on your toughest to 670 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: interview list all time? I've had many runs ins or 671 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: the guys I mean, I can't put like guys like 672 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: Randy Moss and those guys on there. But you know, 673 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: Mariot is hard to He's hard to get for me. Well, 674 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: he doesn't give a lot. He'll he's very accommodating. Absolutely, 675 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: he does not give a lot of him self in 676 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: terms of personal feelings or he does not share much 677 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: about himself. He'll talk about the team, he'll talk about teammates, 678 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: he'll talk about football, but done in at all. No. 679 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: I like Taylor Lawan, Oh, Taylor Lawan is a fun guy. 680 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: Amy and I did a show with him three years 681 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: ago every Thursday night, and it was the scariest experience 682 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,719 Speaker 1: of my entire career, because I'm telling you it was amazing. 683 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: We did not know what he was gonna do. I 684 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: walked into the locker room last year and he looks 685 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: at me, he goes, you got a tan. You're not working? 686 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: That's pretty good. How do you know? You know? I 687 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: got that's it? But I'm saying for you, that's a 688 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: great line, that's a great opener I give. I give him. 689 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: One of my things that I've always learned over the 690 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: years is you got to give it right back to him. 691 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: I give it right back to him. I always have 692 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: the players. They give me crap, I give it right back. 693 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: But most of them love it. They do. They want 694 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: you to give it back to him, you know, and 695 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: you have to. I've seen guys, and you've seen it too, 696 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: where you go in the locker room and some reporter 697 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: goes in there and they start giving him crap and 698 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: he doesn't know what to do, and they just keep 699 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: going and it gets worse. You know, you got to 700 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: give it back to him. Who's the old guy who 701 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: got you when you were new, when you were just 702 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,959 Speaker 1: starting out because I've had the experiences. Yeah, coach, whoever 703 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: scare you to death when you were a kid, Shuli 704 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: scared man I bet Shuli scared man Don Shula was intimidating. 705 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: That was like when I was first starting out. He was. 706 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: He was very intimidating. I mean when we were in college, 707 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: we used to go. It was great. We were in 708 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: college at Arizona State. We uh the pr guy for 709 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: the Suns made a deal with us working on the 710 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: paper that two of us had to be at every game, 711 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: but we had to run quotes, and we had to 712 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: run quotes for the NBA guys, and then they gave it. 713 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: They fed us because we were I mean, money were 714 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: in college. We were thrilled. We had to eat at 715 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: the game and go to the NBA games and all 716 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: we had to do was go run quotes. So we 717 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: go into we're college kids. We go in the NBA 718 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: locker room and we're asking these guys and they're like 719 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: looking at you. That was when the NBA was like 720 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: half outlaws too. They look, oh, yeah, hell are you 721 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: you know? And you'd have to That's when you learn 722 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: to stand up for yourself a little bit. Otherwise they're 723 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: gonna embarrass the hell out of you. Who got you? Mike? 724 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: Probably an SEC basketball coach in an era of really 725 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: good SEC basketball in the eighties there. But I covered 726 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: for the student radio station and would go in and 727 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: ask nine hundred word analytical questions after a seventy to 728 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: sixty seven game and would just get that look. I 729 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: got tormented a lot by Johnny Majors though he was 730 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: but it wasn't personal. He'd give you the business in 731 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: front of people, but then he didn't hold a grudge, 732 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: which I've always had respect for people like that that 733 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: could separate the human being from the job. You know, 734 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: player wise, and you guys will remember him, But this 735 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: guy was one of the all time worst. Was Gary Walker. 736 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do you marry Gary Walk? Yeah? I had. 737 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: He used to threaten the he walk over to me, 738 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: go I'm going to kick your ass, yeah, and I 739 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: go do it right here Gary. For us too, he 740 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. I go Gary, I used 741 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: to tell him, I go, Gary, do it right here, 742 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: because I'll take a piece of every tack where you 743 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: get the rest of your life. And one day it 744 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: was riding down the road in Jacksonville, and I this 745 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: car pulls up next to him. I'm like, what's going 746 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: on here, rolls down the window and it's Gary Walker. 747 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: I'm coming after you. Man. He was. He was there 748 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: my first year. He was a he was an oiler 749 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: my first year, and yeah he was. He was a 750 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: lot of fun, very very accommodating, not lovely. Then then 751 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 1: he was working. Then he was working in the media. 752 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: Of course, near at the Super Bowl, I go, Gary, 753 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: what happened? I saw him? Michael Garrey, This might be 754 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: the funniest thing ever you working in the media. It's unbelievable. 755 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: It was like Reggie Wayne hated the media. He was mean. 756 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: A good relationship. Oh gosh, well maybe he was just 757 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: mean to the PR staff, but he gave us such 758 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: a hard time. It was ran ran into him at 759 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl Work Network. I was like, what is Marvis? 760 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: Marvin was the hard one. Marvin was tough. Harmon was 761 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: a pain. It's hard for PR. See. I always had 762 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: a great relationship with Peyton. Yeah, I always had it. 763 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: He always because you know why. One year I went 764 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 1: to his camp before it became big, and I sat 765 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: into I didn't even know whim. I sat in his 766 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: dorm room. It was just me and him in his 767 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: dorm room. He was younger for about forty five fifty 768 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 1: minutes of me just and ever since then he always 769 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: gave me. He's another one that respects work if you 770 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: if you work, he has time for you. He's not 771 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: going to be your buddy or your pal, but he 772 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: goes to and respects those who work. And he'll pick 773 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: your brain. He sure will. That's the best thing about him. Well, 774 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: that's the story we tell about when we recover. In recruiting. 775 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: We would call him after he'd get back from a visit. 776 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: He would give you nothing, and then he would pick 777 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 1: your brain about what you were hearing right, And finally 778 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: you'd have to get off the phone with him and say, look, 779 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: I've got to call other kids. Yeah he's that's when 780 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: he was seventeen. Yeah, he was always He's always been 781 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 1: that way. He might be of all the guys I've 782 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: ever recovered, he might be my favorite guy because I 783 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: always had a good relationship with him. He always gave 784 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: me time by myself and first start to do that. 785 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: That's it's hard to do, but you always did. Pete Prisco, 786 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: it has been a delight you have been lovely. You 787 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: have been nice. Huh. Pete Prisco, CBS four, you got 788 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: to go do a hit right now on my place. 789 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: Maybe I'll put my ogre face on or something. Okay, 790 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: there it is. It's goold being what I could see. 791 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: Mike Freeman. Maybe I'll gonna start with him. Thank you 792 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: for joining the Official Titans Podcast. We uh we have 793 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: enjoyed talking football. It was fun. It was fun. Thanks guys,