WEBVTT - Ep 61: Charli XCX

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<v Speaker 2>That's my plug. Early Doors done and dusted. Now. This

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<v Speaker 2>week's podcast is with Charlie XCX. It's a short and

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<v Speaker 2>sweet one, partly because well she's a big pop star,

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<v Speaker 2>and she had a hell of a lot on On

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<v Speaker 2>the day I met her, I went to her record label,

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<v Speaker 2>Atlantic Records, which is a very glamorous and seductive part

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<v Speaker 2>of the music industry. Charlie had only just flown in

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<v Speaker 2>from the state. She spends half of her time here

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<v Speaker 2>in London and half of her time out in la

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<v Speaker 2>and she was then nipping off to Radio one and

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<v Speaker 2>she's just been on tour with Taylor Swift. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that tour continues at the moment. So we didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>all the time in the world. But I listened back

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<v Speaker 2>to it and I felt, you know what, we should

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<v Speaker 2>still be putting this out because there's enough in here

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<v Speaker 2>to keep you interested. And there might be a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people that say, Stuart, I quite like this podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's usually too long. So for those people, this

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<v Speaker 2>is right up your street. So what can I tell

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<v Speaker 2>you about Charlie XCX that you might not know. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>she's currently twenty six years old. She grew up in Essex,

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<v Speaker 2>and I suppose the song that really put her out

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<v Speaker 2>there was I Love It by Icona Pop in twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Since then, she's released two albums and two more mixtapes.

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<v Speaker 2>She's got four mixtapes in total, and a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>really big pop tunes which I'm sure you will have

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<v Speaker 2>heard some of, if not all of them. Iggy Azelia's Fancy.

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<v Speaker 2>She wrote the hook on that she writes a lot

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<v Speaker 2>with other people, and four other people including Will I

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<v Speaker 2>Am a Luna, George, Blondie. We talk a bit about Blondie.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you tell that I'm reading this off my phone now?

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<v Speaker 2>She's just very busy, very busy person. So I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to leave you with this. This is Charlie XX. Next

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<v Speaker 2>week the podcast, I can one hundred percent guarantee will

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<v Speaker 2>be Greg Cochran. He's got summing up his sleeve. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's going to be very good. But in the meantime,

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<v Speaker 2>please enjoy this short and sharp and sweet episode of

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<v Speaker 2>Midnight Chats number sixty one with Charlie xxlud and Quiet

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<v Speaker 3>I live half in la half in London, but I've

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<v Speaker 3>been over in the States a lot, just because I've

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<v Speaker 3>been on this tour with Taylor Swift Sure and we

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<v Speaker 3>were doing the US leg, so it's easier for me

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<v Speaker 3>to be based out of the US right now, and

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<v Speaker 3>when I write. I tend to write a lot in

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<v Speaker 3>La r Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>What side of the city do you live in there?

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<v Speaker 3>I live in Beechwood Canyon, which is sort of right

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<v Speaker 3>underneath the Hollywood sign.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's very green around there, and you can actually

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<v Speaker 3>walk a lot and you can do hiking, and there's

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<v Speaker 3>quite a lot of Europeans who live up there, which

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<v Speaker 3>is nice, a lot of Swedes.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in La this summer on holiday. I stayed

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<v Speaker 2>in Silver Lake.

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<v Speaker 3>Very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's the cool side, isn't it the hipside?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>But we I'd never been to Beverly Hills, so we

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<v Speaker 2>drove around Beverly Hills for the first time.

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<v Speaker 3>What did you think it's weird?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I mean I don't go there that often, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it is a bit odd.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt it was. It's kind of creepy because there's

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<v Speaker 2>no pavements, right, because they don't want anyone there, right. No,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really I'd always wanted to go and see

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<v Speaker 2>what it was like, and it actually made me think

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't want to live here. If I could live anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I would live there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I think the thing with La is

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<v Speaker 3>like it's a great city when you know a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people and when you have a lot of friends there,

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<v Speaker 3>and when you're actually like doing stuff. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>if you're not doing anything and you don't really know anyone,

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<v Speaker 3>it can be quite isolating and lonely, just because you

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<v Speaker 3>can't really walk around places. There isn't really that much

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<v Speaker 3>like history there. I mean, there's a lot of Hollywood

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<v Speaker 3>history and a lot of very interesting and fun things

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<v Speaker 3>have happened there, but in terms of like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not like walking around and seeing the sites because

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<v Speaker 3>you can't really walk, and also there aren't that many sites,

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<v Speaker 3>do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, sure, That's what I felt was about what

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<v Speaker 2>I thought was strange about Beverly Hills and bel Air

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<v Speaker 2>was how isolated those people must fill in their massive houses.

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<v Speaker 3>Because they probably don't care though, because they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in my nice house. Yeah supposed I think that

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<v Speaker 3>it's a city where you can really make what you

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<v Speaker 3>want of it. Like when I started going there when

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<v Speaker 3>I was sixteen to record, and I was so lonely

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<v Speaker 3>when I went there because I couldn't party. There was

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<v Speaker 3>no uber so everything was such a nightmare to get

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<v Speaker 3>to and I didn't really know anyone, and now I

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<v Speaker 3>really really enjoy it there, just because I've built up

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<v Speaker 3>such an amazing group of friends and most of them

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<v Speaker 3>work in music, so it's like very collaborative and really fun.

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<v Speaker 3>And I found like a nice little kind of space

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<v Speaker 3>there that feels really homely and creative. And yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's really a place where it's like you can

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<v Speaker 3>make it into something really amazing if you like avoid

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<v Speaker 3>all the kind of scary scary like Hollywood hell holes,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you miss from each place? When you're in LA?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you miss about London? And when you're when

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<v Speaker 2>you're here, what do you miss about La?

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<v Speaker 3>When I'm here, I definitely miss being able to go

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<v Speaker 3>into a restaurant and literally order.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything, even if it's off menu.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean, I think the best thing about America

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<v Speaker 3>is you can, and especially La is you can go

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<v Speaker 3>into a restaurant and you can say, can I get

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<v Speaker 3>the burger please? But can I get it with avocado

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<v Speaker 3>with bacon? Can I get it with no bun? Can

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<v Speaker 3>I sub the fries for a salad? And can I

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<v Speaker 3>get like you just changed the whole thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Did it take your while?

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<v Speaker 3>To get used to that, because no, because I'm greedy.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like in there straight away or everything.

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<v Speaker 2>The kind of the Brita and me wouldn't do that, right,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what I mean? Too polite even if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like allergic to nuts and it comes to can

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<v Speaker 2>I just take the hit on it? Yeah? No, I

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<v Speaker 2>just got embraced. I didn't realize it was actually a

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<v Speaker 2>real thing. Yeah, we can do that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really easy to do. So I miss that, And

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<v Speaker 3>I also this is weird, this is very La of me.

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<v Speaker 3>I miss that. So in La it's like a genuine

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<v Speaker 3>conversation people will have that is a real conversation that

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<v Speaker 3>people really care about. Is talking about restaurants. Like people

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<v Speaker 3>love to talk about restaurants in LA. But it's like

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<v Speaker 3>not just small talk, it's like they care. It's like

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<v Speaker 3>they'll be like, have you been to that restaurant on

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<v Speaker 3>Blah blah blah or in La La La Lah, And

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<v Speaker 3>did you get the thing? Did you get the Brussels sprouts?

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<v Speaker 3>And they'll be like, no, I haven't tried the Brussels spouts.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you should try the Brussels spouts. Did you try

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<v Speaker 3>the Brussel spouts at this restaurant and it's like a

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<v Speaker 3>genuine conversation that people really care about and it's so

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<v Speaker 3>stupid and pointless. But I kind of really like, but

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<v Speaker 3>if you did that in London, people would be like,

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<v Speaker 3>what the fuck are they talking?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like their equivalent of us talking about the weather

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<v Speaker 2>all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's not because I feel like weather chat is

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<v Speaker 3>a bit it's a bit like what do we do?

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about the weather. This is like an in

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<v Speaker 3>depth conversation that can go on for half an hour

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<v Speaker 3>and it's a real like and people really care about it.

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<v Speaker 3>People are like, oh, like, that's I will check out

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<v Speaker 3>that restaurant. So I kind of miss that it's so

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<v Speaker 3>stupid and pointless though, But then when I'm in LA,

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<v Speaker 3>I really you know what, Like I came back yesterday

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<v Speaker 3>to the UK from New York and I was standing

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<v Speaker 3>in an elevator this morning and I was just like

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<v Speaker 3>listening to two guys talking the lift and I just

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<v Speaker 3>miss like people being really British British accents. I miss

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<v Speaker 3>like the crispness of the air here. I miss the

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<v Speaker 3>sarcasm a lot. Like people in la are not sarcastic.

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<v Speaker 3>They are so like oh, I hay, like, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 3>really annoying, Like I just I miss like a sarcastic

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<v Speaker 3>British like dark sense of humor, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, and you because you grew up in Essex, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>as did I?

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<v Speaker 3>Whereabouts?

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up in South End?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I grew up in Bishop Stalford. I've been to

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<v Speaker 3>South End Peter Pan Ride, Yeah, yeah, did.

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<v Speaker 2>You go when it was still I think they've changed

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<v Speaker 2>the name now.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't been for a while, long time time.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think of South End?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of it's kind of it's gone down here.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, has it? I mean when I was younger,

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<v Speaker 3>so I lived I lived in I lived actually out

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<v Speaker 3>just outside of Bishop Staltford, but like Bishop Stalford was

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<v Speaker 3>like my town or whatever. But I couldn't really like

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<v Speaker 3>walk anywhere from my house, so it was like I

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<v Speaker 3>was just like in my house until I could like drive.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's why I really enjoyed like going to South End,

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<v Speaker 3>going to Brighton and it was fun because you could

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<v Speaker 3>like walk around and you can do stuff. It was

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<v Speaker 3>like magical, magical places, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So what were you up to where as you say

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<v Speaker 2>you were pretty much housebound? Is that when you start

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<v Speaker 2>making music because you were.

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<v Speaker 3>I did, you know? I started making music not because

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't like go out, but more because I think

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<v Speaker 3>I just wanted to, Like I just wanted a creative outlet,

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<v Speaker 3>and this felt most natural. And music was a way

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<v Speaker 3>of me being cool, kind of like I made music

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<v Speaker 3>because it was like escapism and I felt cool doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I wasn't really that cool, you know, so making

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<v Speaker 3>music was like wow, like it's cool, I can do this,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. And I think when I was younger, I

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<v Speaker 3>was really just trying to like emulate people who I admired,

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<v Speaker 3>which I think, you know, I think we do a

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<v Speaker 3>lot when we were younger, in any sort of field

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<v Speaker 3>or walk of life. But yeah, it just felt like

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<v Speaker 3>escapism and it felt good.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you also went to Slade Fine Art College.

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<v Speaker 3>I did.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a hard college to get into, right, Yes, what

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<v Speaker 2>was your what was your medium? Your art medium?

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<v Speaker 3>So my time at Slade was very it was it

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<v Speaker 3>was hard, like I because I didn't do a foundation,

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<v Speaker 3>so I didn't really understand art school at all. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have the language, I didn't really have the skill set.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know how to talk about art, and I

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<v Speaker 3>also didn't really understand any of the bullshit, like art

0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.280
<v Speaker 3>is so much bullshit and chat, you know. And now

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<v Speaker 3>knowing that, now I think I would have had I

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<v Speaker 3>would have so much more fun there. But honestly, when

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<v Speaker 3>I was younger, I was just very intimidated by people

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<v Speaker 3>and scared. And that is like number one red flag

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<v Speaker 3>of art school. You can't show your fear, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>because then they just you alive. So I didn't really

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<v Speaker 3>understand that it was all just one big game. So

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<v Speaker 3>I went and I dropped out after like a year

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<v Speaker 3>and a half actually because my music started happening for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you painting or were you a.

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<v Speaker 3>Sculpt I was sort of so when I went and

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<v Speaker 3>I interviewed them, my portfolio was really heavy on video

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<v Speaker 3>art and installations and photography not really that I'd done,

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<v Speaker 3>but the pictures pictures of me, and it was mainly

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<v Speaker 3>like it was mainly I was making a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>videos and I was making installations, but it was funny

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<v Speaker 3>like I did this photo shoot with Rankin and supposed

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<v Speaker 3>with you with David Bailey, and I put it in

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<v Speaker 3>my portfolio, which was like really stupid and they were like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh wow, and yeah, it was like it's but I

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<v Speaker 3>said it was them. I was like, this is a

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<v Speaker 3>collaboration that I'd done with David Bailey. Like I totally lied.

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<v Speaker 3>But then the video, art and the installation were all

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<v Speaker 3>made by me. But then when I got in, I

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<v Speaker 3>just sort of like suddenly decided that I wanted to paint,

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<v Speaker 3>which I'd never done before. I was terrible at I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know anything about painting. I didn't know how to

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<v Speaker 3>stretch a canvas, I didn't know how to didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>what primer was like the whole I was just such

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<v Speaker 3>a rookie and so I'm not really sure why I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's because I had a friend in who

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<v Speaker 3>was doing painting, and I was like, oh, okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>really afraid of everyone. I'm just going to stick with you,

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<v Speaker 3>which wasn't really the best idea. In hindsight, I think

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<v Speaker 3>if I'd gone and done video and installations, I probably

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<v Speaker 3>would have had more fun. But yeah, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, how did you set up a shoot with Rankin

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<v Speaker 2>and David Bailey? How does that come about?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? Well that was because I was so I went

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<v Speaker 3>to Slade when I was like nineteen eighteen maybe, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I'd been making music since I was sixteen, so

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<v Speaker 3>I was already doing shoots and I'd signed my deal,

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<v Speaker 3>so I was always already doing like press and things,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. So it was just the David Bailey the

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<v Speaker 3>Ranking shoot was the first shoot I ever did, and

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<v Speaker 3>that just came about his team or whatever contacted me directly,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was making this book called Destroy where he

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<v Speaker 3>basically shot a load of artists and then we had

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<v Speaker 3>to destroy the image, whether that was like cutting it

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<v Speaker 3>up or editing it or burning it or whatever. I

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<v Speaker 3>made mine into a collage and then it got printed

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<v Speaker 3>in the book alongside the original. So that was so

0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:41.400
<v Speaker 3>that kind of was a collaboration. So I kind of

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<v Speaker 3>didn't lie about that one counts. And then the David

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<v Speaker 3>Bailey one was just a shoot for Interview magazine and

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<v Speaker 3>Vogue that was sort of a lie. God, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it was. I mean I guess if I

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<v Speaker 3>hadn't been there, that image wouldn't ever happened. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>a collaboration in that sort of way.

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<v Speaker 2>That counts true That you were playing warehouse parties from

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<v Speaker 2>like fourteen, Yes, is that true?

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<v Speaker 3>It's true?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, what can you remember from that? That must have

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<v Speaker 2>been intense, because I raised intense when you're twenty four.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it was like the coolest thing that had

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<v Speaker 3>ever happened to me. Like I was so like excited

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<v Speaker 3>to go and play, and I was so kind of

0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.560
<v Speaker 3>awe struck by all of the people there and the

0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.800
<v Speaker 3>clothes they were wearing, and the drugs they were taking

0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.239
<v Speaker 3>and the music that was being played, Like it was

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<v Speaker 3>so exciting and so cool. I honestly like Mike, because

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<v Speaker 3>you know, this was happening when I was fourteen. My

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<v Speaker 3>main reference point was Skins, so I was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>in an episode of Skins. This is crazy, you know.

0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:54.360
<v Speaker 3>And my other reference point was sort of watching MySpace

0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.520
<v Speaker 3>and looking at all of the profiles of artists I liked,

0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:01.040
<v Speaker 3>particularly like a lot of artists signed ed Banger, and

0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:04.399
<v Speaker 3>like looking at like pictures of ed Banger parties and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, whoa, Like I'm in that in London.

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<v Speaker 3>But the only thing that was sort of like getting

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<v Speaker 3>my buzz was like my parents would come with me,

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<v Speaker 3>right sore.

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<v Speaker 2>They cool though, yeah, they didn't like kind of no, they.

0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean they were around, but they weren't like smothering.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. They were very supportive, and I think they

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<v Speaker 3>also really enjoyed it as well, because my dad was

0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:26.359
<v Speaker 3>kind of reliving his youth and my mum was just

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<v Speaker 3>sort of like, what the fuck is going on? But

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<v Speaker 3>it was cool. Yeah, they were they were supportive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we.

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<v Speaker 3>Would stay till late. Weould stay at all, like six am.

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<v Speaker 3>It was kind of wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually you were trying to drag them home.

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<v Speaker 3>You're like, yeah, I was like, guys, gone on, We've.

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<v Speaker 2>Got to go now. Yeah, ha, do you always? I

0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.800
<v Speaker 2>mean that kind of all makes sense with what your

0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:51.400
<v Speaker 2>your music is now and like ed banger and that

0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.000
<v Speaker 2>you can hear that in your in your music, but

0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.879
<v Speaker 2>your music is also kind of unapologetically pop music. The

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<v Speaker 2>fact that you're definitely a pop star, but you're you've

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<v Speaker 2>been embraced by the pitchforks of the world who wouldn't

0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.520
<v Speaker 2>necessarily write about Taylor Swift, but they will write about you.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think that is that that hip for

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<v Speaker 2>want of a better word, world has kind of love

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<v Speaker 2>loves your music.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know really, honestly. I mean, I think I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a very good creator and I always try my best

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<v Speaker 3>to work with people who are you know, new and

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<v Speaker 3>exciting and people who are really pushing the sounds in

0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:39.480
<v Speaker 3>the field that they work in, you know. And I

0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:45.160
<v Speaker 3>never want to work with anybody just because somebody's telling

0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:49.080
<v Speaker 3>me there the newest, coolest thing, or they've got a

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<v Speaker 3>number one or anything like. I'm not interested in that.

0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm really interested in building like a community of people

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<v Speaker 3>around me who are all very like minded in the

0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:00.439
<v Speaker 3>way that we think about music and way that we

0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:04.280
<v Speaker 3>create things. And I've always, I don't know, I've just

0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:06.760
<v Speaker 3>been true to myself in that sense, especially over the

0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:14.120
<v Speaker 3>past three years. And I think that audiences now more

0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:18.760
<v Speaker 3>than ever, really love authenticity, and I'm always very authentic

0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:23.439
<v Speaker 3>to myself. So maybe that's why some people gravitate towards it.

0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:26.399
<v Speaker 3>I don't really know, like, but I think also like

0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:28.119
<v Speaker 3>in general, like pop.

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<v Speaker 2>Is cool, yeah it is now.

0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:34.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah it wasn't. It wasn't like ten years ago or whatever,

0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:38.040
<v Speaker 3>but like pop's cool now. Like Taylor Swift is cool,

0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:42.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, Like nineteen eighty nine is, like I would say,

0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:45.560
<v Speaker 3>like a very cool record. Like a lot of my

0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:54.159
<v Speaker 3>friends who make like very weird like electronic noise music

0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.320
<v Speaker 3>love that love Taylor Swift and love that album so

0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:03.280
<v Speaker 3>much because I think it's great. It's excellent pop music

0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:07.600
<v Speaker 3>with great production and great lyrics and yeah, so I

0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.720
<v Speaker 3>think pops just considered cool now as well, you know,

0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:13.560
<v Speaker 3>so people are less afraid to attach themselves to it.

0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:16.160
<v Speaker 2>How was the Taylor Swift tour? Is it finished? Now?

0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:19.440
<v Speaker 3>It's not finished. It's actually the US leg is finished

0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:22.080
<v Speaker 3>and the UK leg is done. So we go to

0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:27.480
<v Speaker 3>Australia for like a couple of weeks, three weeks, and

0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.720
<v Speaker 3>New Zealand and then Japan and then we're done.

0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:32.240
<v Speaker 2>And then you're done. How's it been.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been long.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:36.800
<v Speaker 3>We started in May and we end at the end

0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:39.359
<v Speaker 3>of November. It's been really good though. You know, it's

0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:43.240
<v Speaker 3>like she's very welcoming and we knew each other beforehand,

0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:46.080
<v Speaker 3>and Kamila and I are close and have written together

0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.159
<v Speaker 3>and know each other quite well. So it feels it

0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:53.200
<v Speaker 3>feels like, you know, sometimes you do big tours where

0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:55.360
<v Speaker 3>you don't really like see each other and you don't

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<v Speaker 3>really speak. You just kind of like do the show

0:21:57.200 --> 0:21:59.919
<v Speaker 3>and that's it. But it feels like a kind of

0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:03.440
<v Speaker 3>group of friends like on tour, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Is nice because you've done other big ones like you,

0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:08.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, did you tour with cold Play or you

0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:09.480
<v Speaker 2>opened a show.

0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:12.480
<v Speaker 3>I did a tour with them a long time ago.

0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Because I mean that's as big. I mean, that's big. Yeah,

0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:20.000
<v Speaker 2>that's big, Katie Perry, that's big. Do you like the

0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:20.520
<v Speaker 2>big ones?

0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:23.800
<v Speaker 3>Honestly? Like A no? I actually, I mean I don't

0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:25.960
<v Speaker 3>not like them, otherwise I wouldn't do it. But I

0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:28.760
<v Speaker 3>do prefer you know, I think anyone prefers playing their

0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:29.200
<v Speaker 3>own show.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 3>So I actually have sort of decided now after this

0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:39.160
<v Speaker 3>tour with Taylor, I won't open for anyone again.

0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Really, this is the last one.

0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:42.920
<v Speaker 3>This is the last one. And it's not because any

0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:44.879
<v Speaker 3>of the tours I've opened for people and have been

0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:48.080
<v Speaker 3>bad experiences. They've actually all been really great experiences. It's

0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.920
<v Speaker 3>just like I'm I feel like I'm that's just I'm

0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:55.880
<v Speaker 3>done with that now, you know, I'm ready. Whilst I've

0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.720
<v Speaker 3>been on Taylor's tour, I've also done some of my

0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:03.640
<v Speaker 3>own shows and and they felt more exciting than ever,

0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:06.560
<v Speaker 3>and I feel like I really just want to put

0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:07.840
<v Speaker 3>the time into that now.

0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:09.720
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing. I guess if you're going on tour

0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:13.320
<v Speaker 2>for the whole year with somebody else. It's taking time,

0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:14.080
<v Speaker 2>isn't it.

0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:17.040
<v Speaker 3>It takes time. It really does take time, and it's

0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:22.000
<v Speaker 3>hard to be motivated to do other things because you're

0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:26.000
<v Speaker 3>very tired, and you're often in like Buffalo or like

0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:31.000
<v Speaker 3>Minneapolis where they're maybe aren't like the best studios. They

0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:32.920
<v Speaker 3>are a great There are good studios, but it's not

0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:36.000
<v Speaker 3>like the same and the producers are in la or

0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:39.280
<v Speaker 3>in Sweden, and you're sending stuff back and forth, which

0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:41.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm into, like I've made a lot of pop two

0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:46.960
<v Speaker 3>like that. But yeah, it's hard to sometimes it's hard

0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:49.480
<v Speaker 3>to be like creative when you're kind of like moving

0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:51.639
<v Speaker 3>around the middle of America.

0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Do you find because you write a lot for a

0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:56.040
<v Speaker 2>lot of people as well, is that something you can

0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:57.160
<v Speaker 2>do on the road.

0:23:57.440 --> 0:24:00.359
<v Speaker 3>It depends really, If it depends if someone was like

0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:06.199
<v Speaker 3>sending you a track to write over, then yes. But

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:09.119
<v Speaker 3>if it's like it's I mean, yeah, you need to

0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:11.560
<v Speaker 3>sort of go into the studio sometimes for that kind

0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:15.679
<v Speaker 3>of thing. So it is, it's not always easy.

0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:19.040
<v Speaker 2>He wrote two songs for the last Blondie record. Yes,

0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:19.840
<v Speaker 2>what was that like?

0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:20.440
<v Speaker 3>Well?

0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:23.399
<v Speaker 2>Is that entailed? Does that entail? Like you just submitting

0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:23.760
<v Speaker 2>a song?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah. Actually, basically Chris reached out to me and

0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:31.480
<v Speaker 3>was like, we love you and your stuff and we're

0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:35.000
<v Speaker 3>making this album and sent me this like list of

0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:40.360
<v Speaker 3>like mad references and was like, do you have anything,

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:45.399
<v Speaker 3>and I sent two songs. It was honestly so broad.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like the most broad list of references ever.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like they were like, we're working with CEA,

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<v Speaker 3>but we're also interested in like Latin songs and like

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<v Speaker 3>Debbie's favorite song is lean On by Major Laser, and

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<v Speaker 3>then like you know, referencing what some of their stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like just really crazy and I was like, ah,

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<v Speaker 3>like what is happening? And so I just sent these

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<v Speaker 3>two songs that i'd actually made when I was fourteen,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just sent them through and they were like,

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<v Speaker 3>we really like these and we want to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>mess with them and make them our own. So they

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<v Speaker 3>did that. We never actually went to the studio together,

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<v Speaker 3>but I've met Debbie and Chris numerous times and they've

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<v Speaker 3>always been really supportive of me, and I was just

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<v Speaker 3>really happy when they did their thing with the songs,

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<v Speaker 3>and I went to their show at the Roundhouse in

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<v Speaker 3>London with my mum and dad and my mom was

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<v Speaker 3>like freaking out. Oh my god, you know what. Debbie

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<v Speaker 3>actually came to my Pop two show in New York

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<v Speaker 3>and she came backstage. She met my parents and my

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<v Speaker 3>dad was like freaking out. It was really funny because

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<v Speaker 3>my dad's met like a lot of artists through me,

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<v Speaker 3>but I've never seen him really kind of like losing

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<v Speaker 3>shit before. And he was like, oh my god, like

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<v Speaker 3>I'm such a huge fan. I was like, all right, Dad,

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<v Speaker 3>play it.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool man, come on, you like stuff embarrassing me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing though, that they've got a song on the

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<v Speaker 2>record that you wrote when you were fourteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's nuts. It's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing I just wanted to quickly ask

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<v Speaker 2>you about was you have synesthesia, which, for listeners who

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<v Speaker 2>might not know what that is, it's seeing music in colors.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are some colors that you that you like

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<v Speaker 2>more than others. Right, Yes, so you like songs that

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<v Speaker 2>are like pinks and purples, yes, but you hate greens

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<v Speaker 2>and browns.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I've changed my opinion on green though, Okay, just because

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<v Speaker 3>my whole new single is like based around the color green.

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<v Speaker 2>So what for reference? What is what? To you? Is

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<v Speaker 2>a what is A A, what is a pink and

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<v Speaker 2>purple song? Then what what kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of Okay, So pink and purple song to me is

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<v Speaker 3>like the Cure, Okay, like Boys Don't Cry, it would

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<v Speaker 3>be very like pinky purple song or Pictures of You. Also,

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<v Speaker 3>like Blackout by Britney Spears, that whole album is kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like pink and purple, right, But then like brown

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<v Speaker 3>and green, And this is like tough because I've kind

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<v Speaker 3>of changed my opinion on this, but like Pitbull would

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<v Speaker 3>be brown and green. But I actually really love Pitbull now,

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of think he's great. Ag Cook really like

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<v Speaker 3>turned me onto pit Bull. He was like, you need

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<v Speaker 3>to like get over this and like really think about

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<v Speaker 3>how good Pitbull is, and I kind of agree. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really hard for you because it's probably impossible to

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<v Speaker 2>describe this. But what is it that makes Pitbull green

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<v Speaker 2>and brown?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's like the tonality and like there's certain

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<v Speaker 3>like production choices and the chords. Okay, it's hard for

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<v Speaker 3>me to explain because I'm actually not that good at

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<v Speaker 3>music theory. So there probably is like a very like

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<v Speaker 3>obvious reason to what I see and hear, But I

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<v Speaker 3>just don't know how to explain it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how's your year been? Have you had a good year?

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<v Speaker 2>We're at the end of the year pretty much.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this year has gone so fast it feels like honestly, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I have had a good year. I mean, I've been

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<v Speaker 3>on tour from May. It's been good. I just I'm

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<v Speaker 3>I'm excited to like release music with like the support

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<v Speaker 3>of everybody around me, which is cool, and I really

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<v Speaker 3>just want to be in the studio. Yeah. Like it's

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<v Speaker 3>been fun. Don't get me wrong, But I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like anything, you have too much of something and then

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<v Speaker 3>you want something else. So that's how I feel right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I want to be writing, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I'll write for like three months and they'll

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<v Speaker 3>be like, I want to be on tour, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm ready for that transition.

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