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Speaker 2: week's podcast is with Charlie XCX. It's a short and
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Speaker 3: I live half in la half in London, but I've
Speaker 3: been over in the States a lot, just because I've
Speaker 3: been on this tour with Taylor Swift Sure and we
Speaker 3: were doing the US leg, so it's easier for me
Speaker 3: to be based out of the US right now, and
Speaker 3: when I write. I tend to write a lot in
Speaker 3: La r Yeah.
Speaker 2: What side of the city do you live in there?
Speaker 3: I live in Beechwood Canyon, which is sort of right
Speaker 3: underneath the Hollywood sign.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very green around there, and you can actually
Speaker 3: walk a lot and you can do hiking, and there's
Speaker 3: quite a lot of Europeans who live up there, which
Speaker 3: is nice, a lot of Swedes.
Speaker 2: I was in La this summer on holiday. I stayed
Speaker 2: in Silver Lake.
Speaker 3: Very cool.
Speaker 2: But that's the cool side, isn't it the hipside?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But we I'd never been to Beverly Hills, so we
Speaker 2: drove around Beverly Hills for the first time.
Speaker 3: What did you think it's weird?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I don't go there that often, but yeah,
Speaker 3: it is a bit odd.
Speaker 2: I felt it was. It's kind of creepy because there's
Speaker 2: no pavements, right, because they don't want anyone there, right. No,
Speaker 2: So it's really I'd always wanted to go and see
Speaker 2: what it was like, and it actually made me think
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to live here. If I could live anywhere,
Speaker 2: I don't think I would live there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think the thing with La is
Speaker 3: like it's a great city when you know a lot
Speaker 3: of people and when you have a lot of friends there,
Speaker 3: and when you're actually like doing stuff. But I think
Speaker 3: if you're not doing anything and you don't really know anyone,
Speaker 3: it can be quite isolating and lonely, just because you
Speaker 3: can't really walk around places. There isn't really that much
Speaker 3: like history there. I mean, there's a lot of Hollywood
Speaker 3: history and a lot of very interesting and fun things
Speaker 3: have happened there, but in terms of like, you know,
Speaker 3: you're not like walking around and seeing the sites because
Speaker 3: you can't really walk, and also there aren't that many sites,
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sure, That's what I felt was about what
Speaker 2: I thought was strange about Beverly Hills and bel Air
Speaker 2: was how isolated those people must fill in their massive houses.
Speaker 3: Because they probably don't care though, because they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm in my nice house. Yeah supposed I think that
Speaker 3: it's a city where you can really make what you
Speaker 3: want of it. Like when I started going there when
Speaker 3: I was sixteen to record, and I was so lonely
Speaker 3: when I went there because I couldn't party. There was
Speaker 3: no uber so everything was such a nightmare to get
Speaker 3: to and I didn't really know anyone, and now I
Speaker 3: really really enjoy it there, just because I've built up
Speaker 3: such an amazing group of friends and most of them
Speaker 3: work in music, so it's like very collaborative and really fun.
Speaker 3: And I found like a nice little kind of space
Speaker 3: there that feels really homely and creative. And yeah, I
Speaker 3: think it's really a place where it's like you can
Speaker 3: make it into something really amazing if you like avoid
Speaker 3: all the kind of scary scary like Hollywood hell holes,
Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: What do you miss from each place? When you're in LA?
Speaker 2: What do you miss about London? And when you're when
Speaker 2: you're here, what do you miss about La?
Speaker 3: When I'm here, I definitely miss being able to go
Speaker 3: into a restaurant and literally order.
Speaker 2: Anything, even if it's off menu.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I think the best thing about America
Speaker 3: is you can, and especially La is you can go
Speaker 3: into a restaurant and you can say, can I get
Speaker 3: the burger please? But can I get it with avocado
Speaker 3: with bacon? Can I get it with no bun? Can
Speaker 3: I sub the fries for a salad? And can I
Speaker 3: get like you just changed the whole thing?
Speaker 2: Did it take your while?
Speaker 3: To get used to that, because no, because I'm greedy.
Speaker 3: I was like in there straight away or everything.
Speaker 2: The kind of the Brita and me wouldn't do that, right,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Too polite even if
Speaker 2: I'm like allergic to nuts and it comes to can
Speaker 2: I just take the hit on it? Yeah? No, I
Speaker 2: just got embraced. I didn't realize it was actually a
Speaker 2: real thing. Yeah, we can do that.
Speaker 3: It's really easy to do. So I miss that, And
Speaker 3: I also this is weird, this is very La of me.
Speaker 3: I miss that. So in La it's like a genuine
Speaker 3: conversation people will have that is a real conversation that
Speaker 3: people really care about. Is talking about restaurants. Like people
Speaker 3: love to talk about restaurants in LA. But it's like
Speaker 3: not just small talk, it's like they care. It's like
Speaker 3: they'll be like, have you been to that restaurant on
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah or in La La La Lah, And
Speaker 3: did you get the thing? Did you get the Brussels sprouts?
Speaker 3: And they'll be like, no, I haven't tried the Brussels spouts.
Speaker 3: Oh you should try the Brussels spouts. Did you try
Speaker 3: the Brussel spouts at this restaurant and it's like a
Speaker 3: genuine conversation that people really care about and it's so
Speaker 3: stupid and pointless. But I kind of really like, but
Speaker 3: if you did that in London, people would be like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck are they talking?
Speaker 2: It's like their equivalent of us talking about the weather
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 3: But it's not because I feel like weather chat is
Speaker 3: a bit it's a bit like what do we do?
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the weather. This is like an in
Speaker 3: depth conversation that can go on for half an hour
Speaker 3: and it's a real like and people really care about it.
Speaker 3: People are like, oh, like, that's I will check out
Speaker 3: that restaurant. So I kind of miss that it's so
Speaker 3: stupid and pointless though, But then when I'm in LA,
Speaker 3: I really you know what, Like I came back yesterday
Speaker 3: to the UK from New York and I was standing
Speaker 3: in an elevator this morning and I was just like
Speaker 3: listening to two guys talking the lift and I just
Speaker 3: miss like people being really British British accents. I miss
Speaker 3: like the crispness of the air here. I miss the
Speaker 3: sarcasm a lot. Like people in la are not sarcastic.
Speaker 3: They are so like oh, I hay, like, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: really annoying, Like I just I miss like a sarcastic
Speaker 3: British like dark sense of humor, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and you because you grew up in Essex, yes,
Speaker 2: as did I?
Speaker 3: Whereabouts?
Speaker 2: I grew up in South End?
Speaker 3: Okay, I grew up in Bishop Stalford. I've been to
Speaker 3: South End Peter Pan Ride, Yeah, yeah, did.
Speaker 2: You go when it was still I think they've changed
Speaker 2: the name now.
Speaker 3: I haven't been for a while, long time time.
Speaker 2: What do you think of South End?
Speaker 3: I mean I loved it.
Speaker 2: It's kind of it's kind of it's gone down here.
Speaker 3: I think, has it? I mean when I was younger,
Speaker 3: so I lived I lived in I lived actually out
Speaker 3: just outside of Bishop Staltford, but like Bishop Stalford was
Speaker 3: like my town or whatever. But I couldn't really like
Speaker 3: walk anywhere from my house, so it was like I
Speaker 3: was just like in my house until I could like drive.
Speaker 3: So that's why I really enjoyed like going to South End,
Speaker 3: going to Brighton and it was fun because you could
Speaker 3: like walk around and you can do stuff. It was
Speaker 3: like magical, magical places, you know.
Speaker 2: So what were you up to where as you say
Speaker 2: you were pretty much housebound? Is that when you start
Speaker 2: making music because you were.
Speaker 3: I did, you know? I started making music not because
Speaker 3: I couldn't like go out, but more because I think
Speaker 3: I just wanted to, Like I just wanted a creative outlet,
Speaker 3: and this felt most natural. And music was a way
Speaker 3: of me being cool, kind of like I made music
Speaker 3: because it was like escapism and I felt cool doing it.
Speaker 3: And I wasn't really that cool, you know, so making
Speaker 3: music was like wow, like it's cool, I can do this,
Speaker 3: you know. And I think when I was younger, I
Speaker 3: was really just trying to like emulate people who I admired,
Speaker 3: which I think, you know, I think we do a
Speaker 3: lot when we were younger, in any sort of field
Speaker 3: or walk of life. But yeah, it just felt like
Speaker 3: escapism and it felt good.
Speaker 2: Because you also went to Slade Fine Art College.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 2: That's a hard college to get into, right, Yes, what
Speaker 2: was your what was your medium? Your art medium?
Speaker 3: So my time at Slade was very it was it
Speaker 3: was hard, like I because I didn't do a foundation,
Speaker 3: so I didn't really understand art school at all. I
Speaker 3: didn't have the language, I didn't really have the skill set.
Speaker 3: I didn't know how to talk about art, and I
Speaker 3: also didn't really understand any of the bullshit, like art
Speaker 3: is so much bullshit and chat, you know. And now
Speaker 3: knowing that, now I think I would have had I
Speaker 3: would have so much more fun there. But honestly, when
Speaker 3: I was younger, I was just very intimidated by people
Speaker 3: and scared. And that is like number one red flag
Speaker 3: of art school. You can't show your fear, you know,
Speaker 3: because then they just you alive. So I didn't really
Speaker 3: understand that it was all just one big game. So
Speaker 3: I went and I dropped out after like a year
Speaker 3: and a half actually because my music started happening for me.
Speaker 2: Were you painting or were you a.
Speaker 3: Sculpt I was sort of so when I went and
Speaker 3: I interviewed them, my portfolio was really heavy on video
Speaker 3: art and installations and photography not really that I'd done,
Speaker 3: but the pictures pictures of me, and it was mainly
Speaker 3: like it was mainly I was making a lot of
Speaker 3: videos and I was making installations, but it was funny
Speaker 3: like I did this photo shoot with Rankin and supposed
Speaker 3: with you with David Bailey, and I put it in
Speaker 3: my portfolio, which was like really stupid and they were like,
Speaker 3: oh wow, and yeah, it was like it's but I
Speaker 3: said it was them. I was like, this is a
Speaker 3: collaboration that I'd done with David Bailey. Like I totally lied.
Speaker 3: But then the video, art and the installation were all
Speaker 3: made by me. But then when I got in, I
Speaker 3: just sort of like suddenly decided that I wanted to paint,
Speaker 3: which I'd never done before. I was terrible at I
Speaker 3: didn't know anything about painting. I didn't know how to
Speaker 3: stretch a canvas, I didn't know how to didn't know
Speaker 3: what primer was like the whole I was just such
Speaker 3: a rookie and so I'm not really sure why I didn't.
Speaker 3: I think it's because I had a friend in who
Speaker 3: was doing painting, and I was like, oh, okay, I'm
Speaker 3: really afraid of everyone. I'm just going to stick with you,
Speaker 3: which wasn't really the best idea. In hindsight, I think
Speaker 3: if I'd gone and done video and installations, I probably
Speaker 3: would have had more fun. But yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 2: Say, how did you set up a shoot with Rankin
Speaker 2: and David Bailey? How does that come about?
Speaker 3: Oh? Well that was because I was so I went
Speaker 3: to Slade when I was like nineteen eighteen maybe, and
Speaker 3: so I'd been making music since I was sixteen, so
Speaker 3: I was already doing shoots and I'd signed my deal,
Speaker 3: so I was always already doing like press and things,
Speaker 3: you know. So it was just the David Bailey the
Speaker 3: Ranking shoot was the first shoot I ever did, and
Speaker 3: that just came about his team or whatever contacted me directly,
Speaker 3: and he was making this book called Destroy where he
Speaker 3: basically shot a load of artists and then we had
Speaker 3: to destroy the image, whether that was like cutting it
Speaker 3: up or editing it or burning it or whatever. I
Speaker 3: made mine into a collage and then it got printed
Speaker 3: in the book alongside the original. So that was so
Speaker 3: that kind of was a collaboration. So I kind of
Speaker 3: didn't lie about that one counts. And then the David
Speaker 3: Bailey one was just a shoot for Interview magazine and
Speaker 3: Vogue that was sort of a lie. God, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it was. I mean I guess if I
Speaker 3: hadn't been there, that image wouldn't ever happened. So it's
Speaker 3: a collaboration in that sort of way.
Speaker 2: That counts true That you were playing warehouse parties from
Speaker 2: like fourteen, Yes, is that true?
Speaker 3: It's true?
Speaker 2: Wow, what can you remember from that? That must have
Speaker 2: been intense, because I raised intense when you're twenty four.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was like the coolest thing that had
Speaker 3: ever happened to me. Like I was so like excited
Speaker 3: to go and play, and I was so kind of
Speaker 3: awe struck by all of the people there and the
Speaker 3: clothes they were wearing, and the drugs they were taking
Speaker 3: and the music that was being played, Like it was
Speaker 3: so exciting and so cool. I honestly like Mike, because
Speaker 3: you know, this was happening when I was fourteen. My
Speaker 3: main reference point was Skins, so I was like, I'm
Speaker 3: in an episode of Skins. This is crazy, you know.
Speaker 3: And my other reference point was sort of watching MySpace
Speaker 3: and looking at all of the profiles of artists I liked,
Speaker 3: particularly like a lot of artists signed ed Banger, and
Speaker 3: like looking at like pictures of ed Banger parties and stuff.
Speaker 3: I was like, whoa, Like I'm in that in London.
Speaker 3: But the only thing that was sort of like getting
Speaker 3: my buzz was like my parents would come with me,
Speaker 3: right sore.
Speaker 2: They cool though, yeah, they didn't like kind of no, they.
Speaker 3: I mean they were around, but they weren't like smothering.
Speaker 3: You know. They were very supportive, and I think they
Speaker 3: also really enjoyed it as well, because my dad was
Speaker 3: kind of reliving his youth and my mum was just
Speaker 3: sort of like, what the fuck is going on? But
Speaker 3: it was cool. Yeah, they were they were supportive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we.
Speaker 3: Would stay till late. Weould stay at all, like six am.
Speaker 3: It was kind of wild.
Speaker 2: Actually you were trying to drag them home.
Speaker 3: You're like, yeah, I was like, guys, gone on, We've.
Speaker 2: Got to go now. Yeah, ha, do you always? I
Speaker 2: mean that kind of all makes sense with what your
Speaker 2: your music is now and like ed banger and that
Speaker 2: you can hear that in your in your music, but
Speaker 2: your music is also kind of unapologetically pop music. The
Speaker 2: fact that you're definitely a pop star, but you're you've
Speaker 2: been embraced by the pitchforks of the world who wouldn't
Speaker 2: necessarily write about Taylor Swift, but they will write about you.
Speaker 2: Why do you think that is that that hip for
Speaker 2: want of a better word, world has kind of love
Speaker 2: loves your music.
Speaker 3: I don't know really, honestly. I mean, I think I'm
Speaker 3: a very good creator and I always try my best
Speaker 3: to work with people who are you know, new and
Speaker 3: exciting and people who are really pushing the sounds in
Speaker 3: the field that they work in, you know. And I
Speaker 3: never want to work with anybody just because somebody's telling
Speaker 3: me there the newest, coolest thing, or they've got a
Speaker 3: number one or anything like. I'm not interested in that.
Speaker 3: I'm really interested in building like a community of people
Speaker 3: around me who are all very like minded in the
Speaker 3: way that we think about music and way that we
Speaker 3: create things. And I've always, I don't know, I've just
Speaker 3: been true to myself in that sense, especially over the
Speaker 3: past three years. And I think that audiences now more
Speaker 3: than ever, really love authenticity, and I'm always very authentic
Speaker 3: to myself. So maybe that's why some people gravitate towards it.
Speaker 3: I don't really know, like, but I think also like
Speaker 3: in general, like pop.
Speaker 2: Is cool, yeah it is now.
Speaker 3: Yeah it wasn't. It wasn't like ten years ago or whatever,
Speaker 3: but like pop's cool now. Like Taylor Swift is cool,
Speaker 3: you know, Like nineteen eighty nine is, like I would say,
Speaker 3: like a very cool record. Like a lot of my
Speaker 3: friends who make like very weird like electronic noise music
Speaker 3: love that love Taylor Swift and love that album so
Speaker 3: much because I think it's great. It's excellent pop music
Speaker 3: with great production and great lyrics and yeah, so I
Speaker 3: think pops just considered cool now as well, you know,
Speaker 3: so people are less afraid to attach themselves to it.
Speaker 2: How was the Taylor Swift tour? Is it finished? Now?
Speaker 3: It's not finished. It's actually the US leg is finished
Speaker 3: and the UK leg is done. So we go to
Speaker 3: Australia for like a couple of weeks, three weeks, and
Speaker 3: New Zealand and then Japan and then we're done.
Speaker 2: And then you're done. How's it been.
Speaker 3: It's been long.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We started in May and we end at the end
Speaker 3: of November. It's been really good though. You know, it's
Speaker 3: like she's very welcoming and we knew each other beforehand,
Speaker 3: and Kamila and I are close and have written together
Speaker 3: and know each other quite well. So it feels it
Speaker 3: feels like, you know, sometimes you do big tours where
Speaker 3: you don't really like see each other and you don't
Speaker 3: really speak. You just kind of like do the show
Speaker 3: and that's it. But it feels like a kind of
Speaker 3: group of friends like on tour, which.
Speaker 2: Is nice because you've done other big ones like you,
Speaker 2: you know, did you tour with cold Play or you
Speaker 2: opened a show.
Speaker 3: I did a tour with them a long time ago.
Speaker 2: Because I mean that's as big. I mean, that's big. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's big, Katie Perry, that's big. Do you like the
Speaker 2: big ones?
Speaker 3: Honestly? Like A no? I actually, I mean I don't
Speaker 3: not like them, otherwise I wouldn't do it. But I
Speaker 3: do prefer you know, I think anyone prefers playing their
Speaker 3: own show.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: So I actually have sort of decided now after this
Speaker 3: tour with Taylor, I won't open for anyone again.
Speaker 2: Really, this is the last one.
Speaker 3: This is the last one. And it's not because any
Speaker 3: of the tours I've opened for people and have been
Speaker 3: bad experiences. They've actually all been really great experiences. It's
Speaker 3: just like I'm I feel like I'm that's just I'm
Speaker 3: done with that now, you know, I'm ready. Whilst I've
Speaker 3: been on Taylor's tour, I've also done some of my
Speaker 3: own shows and and they felt more exciting than ever,
Speaker 3: and I feel like I really just want to put
Speaker 3: the time into that now.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. I guess if you're going on tour
Speaker 2: for the whole year with somebody else. It's taking time,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 3: It takes time. It really does take time, and it's
Speaker 3: hard to be motivated to do other things because you're
Speaker 3: very tired, and you're often in like Buffalo or like
Speaker 3: Minneapolis where they're maybe aren't like the best studios. They
Speaker 3: are a great There are good studios, but it's not
Speaker 3: like the same and the producers are in la or
Speaker 3: in Sweden, and you're sending stuff back and forth, which
Speaker 3: I'm into, like I've made a lot of pop two
Speaker 3: like that. But yeah, it's hard to sometimes it's hard
Speaker 3: to be like creative when you're kind of like moving
Speaker 3: around the middle of America.
Speaker 2: Do you find because you write a lot for a
Speaker 2: lot of people as well, is that something you can
Speaker 2: do on the road.
Speaker 3: It depends really, If it depends if someone was like
Speaker 3: sending you a track to write over, then yes. But
Speaker 3: if it's like it's I mean, yeah, you need to
Speaker 3: sort of go into the studio sometimes for that kind
Speaker 3: of thing. So it is, it's not always easy.
Speaker 2: He wrote two songs for the last Blondie record. Yes,
Speaker 2: what was that like?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: Is that entailed? Does that entail? Like you just submitting
Speaker 2: a song?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah. Actually, basically Chris reached out to me and
Speaker 3: was like, we love you and your stuff and we're
Speaker 3: making this album and sent me this like list of
Speaker 3: like mad references and was like, do you have anything,
Speaker 3: and I sent two songs. It was honestly so broad.
Speaker 3: It was like the most broad list of references ever.
Speaker 3: It was like they were like, we're working with CEA,
Speaker 3: but we're also interested in like Latin songs and like
Speaker 3: Debbie's favorite song is lean On by Major Laser, and
Speaker 3: then like you know, referencing what some of their stuff.
Speaker 3: It was like just really crazy and I was like, ah,
Speaker 3: like what is happening? And so I just sent these
Speaker 3: two songs that i'd actually made when I was fourteen,
Speaker 3: and I just sent them through and they were like,
Speaker 3: we really like these and we want to kind of
Speaker 3: mess with them and make them our own. So they
Speaker 3: did that. We never actually went to the studio together,
Speaker 3: but I've met Debbie and Chris numerous times and they've
Speaker 3: always been really supportive of me, and I was just
Speaker 3: really happy when they did their thing with the songs,
Speaker 3: and I went to their show at the Roundhouse in
Speaker 3: London with my mum and dad and my mom was
Speaker 3: like freaking out. Oh my god, you know what. Debbie
Speaker 3: actually came to my Pop two show in New York
Speaker 3: and she came backstage. She met my parents and my
Speaker 3: dad was like freaking out. It was really funny because
Speaker 3: my dad's met like a lot of artists through me,
Speaker 3: but I've never seen him really kind of like losing
Speaker 3: shit before. And he was like, oh my god, like
Speaker 3: I'm such a huge fan. I was like, all right, Dad,
Speaker 3: play it.
Speaker 2: Cool man, come on, you like stuff embarrassing me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's amazing though, that they've got a song on the
Speaker 2: record that you wrote when you were fourteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's nuts. It's cool.
Speaker 2: And the other thing I just wanted to quickly ask
Speaker 2: you about was you have synesthesia, which, for listeners who
Speaker 2: might not know what that is, it's seeing music in colors.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 2: And there are some colors that you that you like
Speaker 2: more than others. Right, Yes, so you like songs that
Speaker 2: are like pinks and purples, yes, but you hate greens
Speaker 2: and browns.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I've changed my opinion on green though, Okay, just because
Speaker 3: my whole new single is like based around the color green.
Speaker 2: So what for reference? What is what? To you? Is
Speaker 2: a what is A A, what is a pink and
Speaker 2: purple song? Then what what kind.
Speaker 3: Of Okay, So pink and purple song to me is
Speaker 3: like the Cure, Okay, like Boys Don't Cry, it would
Speaker 3: be very like pinky purple song or Pictures of You. Also,
Speaker 3: like Blackout by Britney Spears, that whole album is kind
Speaker 3: of like pink and purple, right, But then like brown
Speaker 3: and green, And this is like tough because I've kind
Speaker 3: of changed my opinion on this, but like Pitbull would
Speaker 3: be brown and green. But I actually really love Pitbull now,
Speaker 3: I kind of think he's great. Ag Cook really like
Speaker 3: turned me onto pit Bull. He was like, you need
Speaker 3: to like get over this and like really think about
Speaker 3: how good Pitbull is, and I kind of agree. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: It's really hard for you because it's probably impossible to
Speaker 2: describe this. But what is it that makes Pitbull green
Speaker 2: and brown?
Speaker 3: I think it's like the tonality and like there's certain
Speaker 3: like production choices and the chords. Okay, it's hard for
Speaker 3: me to explain because I'm actually not that good at
Speaker 3: music theory. So there probably is like a very like
Speaker 3: obvious reason to what I see and hear, But I
Speaker 3: just don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how's your year been? Have you had a good year?
Speaker 2: We're at the end of the year pretty much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this year has gone so fast it feels like honestly, yeah,
Speaker 3: I have had a good year. I mean, I've been
Speaker 3: on tour from May. It's been good. I just I'm
Speaker 3: I'm excited to like release music with like the support
Speaker 3: of everybody around me, which is cool, and I really
Speaker 3: just want to be in the studio. Yeah. Like it's
Speaker 3: been fun. Don't get me wrong, But I think, you know,
Speaker 3: like anything, you have too much of something and then
Speaker 3: you want something else. So that's how I feel right now.
Speaker 3: I feel like I want to be writing, you know,
Speaker 3: and then I'll write for like three months and they'll
Speaker 3: be like, I want to be on tour, you know.
Speaker 3: So I'm ready for that transition.
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