Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? All right, Hi, Hi, everyone, welcome back
Speaker 1: to Are You a Charlotte. We are going to recap
Speaker 1: episode three of season one, so episode one oh three
Speaker 1: Bay of Married Pigs. It is a good one. So,
Speaker 1: as I told you guys before, I haven't rewatched these
Speaker 1: shows since they came out, right, So back when we
Speaker 1: were starting to film the series, we would wait eagerly,
Speaker 1: eagerly anticipate HBO giving us a VHS of the show
Speaker 1: before it aired, and we would run home from work
Speaker 1: and watch it and then discuss it at work the
Speaker 1: next day. And it was always super, super, super exciting.
Speaker 1: So I really haven't seen it since then. So probably
Speaker 1: I haven't seen these since like ninety eight, nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 1: long time. And in my mind I thought that the
Speaker 1: first season wasn't like firing on all cylinders. I guess, like,
Speaker 1: it's not that I thought it was bad. I just
Speaker 1: didn't think that we had formed ourselves yet in a way.
Speaker 1: But now when I look back at it, I'm really
Speaker 1: kind of impressed. And yes, it is kind of all
Speaker 1: over the place, but at the same time, it's way
Speaker 1: better than I remember it being. And also all of
Speaker 1: the kind of initial thoughts that I had that we
Speaker 1: didn't really know, like who we were as a show,
Speaker 1: I think are not true. I think we did. And
Speaker 1: as Michael Patrick and I discussed, like he wrote this
Speaker 1: episode Bay of Married Pigs, and Nicole Holoftener directed it.
Speaker 1: She's an incredible director. And there's so much good stuff here,
Speaker 1: so many good themes, and so many interesting performances and
Speaker 1: interesting moments and things that I do vividly remember and
Speaker 1: a lot that I don't remember. But I was super
Speaker 1: super enjoyed watching it, Like, like the parts that I
Speaker 1: don't remember, it's really interesting to rewatch. It's like I'm
Speaker 1: rewatching them for the first time and I've never seen them.
Speaker 1: So here we go, all right. We open with Carrie
Speaker 1: being in the Hamptons. The Hamptons, as you know, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: is a wonderful, wonderful place where you're just so excited.
Speaker 1: If you know someone who has a nice house in
Speaker 1: the Hamptons, they invite you out. So this married couple
Speaker 1: that Carrie knows has invited her to go out to
Speaker 1: the Hampton's. Patience and Peter are their names, and she
Speaker 1: has to retell a sexual escapade at dinner, something I
Speaker 1: totally relate to. I do think that married people, especially
Speaker 1: if they've been married for a while, are expecting the
Speaker 1: singles in their lives to come with stories. I feel
Speaker 1: that this is still true. It's kind of some pressure sometimes,
Speaker 1: you know. And I don't have a lot of personal
Speaker 1: stories myself at this point in life, and my good
Speaker 1: friends know this, of course, but sometimes I still feel
Speaker 1: that pressure, so that has not changed. Then this really
Speaker 1: weird thing happens where Carrie comes out of the bathroom
Speaker 1: in the morning and Peter is standing in the hallway
Speaker 1: without his pants on. Okay, it's I had totally forgotten
Speaker 1: this whole storyline. So Patience is out getting juice and
Speaker 1: muffins and this dude is just standing there chatting with Carrie,
Speaker 1: which is so so strange and bizarre, and Carrie adorably
Speaker 1: handles it, you know, just really calmly. This is one
Speaker 1: of the things I'm struck by about Sir Jessica's performances Carrie,
Speaker 1: especially in the beginning. You know, she's very present and
Speaker 1: very like kind of easy going and unjudgmental, like the
Speaker 1: sex tape, you know, where she's just like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: my gosh, I need a cigarette, and now this dude's
Speaker 1: standing there naked and she's just like, okay, congratulations, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of bizarre, right. But I think also
Speaker 1: in some ways taken from the column, like when I
Speaker 1: watch it, I see a lot of more like the
Speaker 1: kind of bigger, broader, almost Samantha like element that Candace's
Speaker 1: kind of doppelganger that she created for the column was,
Speaker 1: and Sir Jessica somewhat pulled her in, you know, like
Speaker 1: when I originally read the script, I think I said,
Speaker 1: this Carrie smoked a lot and swore a lot, and
Speaker 1: Sir Jessica was like, no, that doesn't feel right for me.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. And to me, that's
Speaker 1: part of why I think that Sir Jessica was such
Speaker 1: a great, incredible choice for Carrie is that she brings
Speaker 1: kind of a contradiction to what was on the page,
Speaker 1: and to me, that brings depth immediately. And then of
Speaker 1: course Sir Jessica brings her own intelligence and charm and
Speaker 1: wit and all those things that are so important for
Speaker 1: that character. So she's very calm about it. And then
Speaker 1: she tells patients the wife about it, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: possibly a mistake, Like if it were me, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have done that. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I would have told the wife, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and then your husband will staying there without his pass.
Speaker 1: I think I might have just left that out, But
Speaker 1: then things would probably be pretty awkward with that couple.
Speaker 1: So maybe it was right to tell her. Not one
Speaker 1: hundred percent sure, I'm curious what you guys think. So
Speaker 1: then Patients sends Carrie back to the city, which is
Speaker 1: so not fair because Carrie did nothing wrong and she
Speaker 1: told Patients about it, but they don't show that scene.
Speaker 1: And in my mind, it wasn't like she said, like, Carrie,
Speaker 1: I'm so mad at you. Get out. In my mind,
Speaker 1: it was more like, oh, you know, you have to
Speaker 1: get back to the city, and then Carrie would just
Speaker 1: be like yeah, and then she just sends her back
Speaker 1: to the city. I don't think it was a big drama.
Speaker 1: That's how I perceived it, but who really knows. We
Speaker 1: didn't see it. So it's interesting because we do later
Speaker 1: see Patients and Peter at a party and Carrie just
Speaker 1: chats with them like she's not upset at all back
Speaker 1: to my easy going. She's very very easy going in
Speaker 1: the beginning, you know, so that's interesting. And then you know,
Speaker 1: I guess there's a question of maybe she shouldn't have
Speaker 1: said congratulations. But also she's standing there confronted with this
Speaker 1: naked man. I don't know what should you say? I mean,
Speaker 1: what is the norm thing to say? I think it
Speaker 1: would be to leave and or uh run, maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know, these would be my instincts. But you know,
Speaker 1: Carrie is very calm, as we know, she's not judgmental,
Speaker 1: and she so she says congratulations, which is interesting and
Speaker 1: kind of you know, kind of somewhat like kind of
Speaker 1: like the sex tape thing of like she's in an
Speaker 1: awkward position, so she kind of tries to make the
Speaker 1: best of it. You know. That's that's what I see
Speaker 1: when I watch it. So then she comes back to
Speaker 1: the city and she has brunch with us, the ladies,
Speaker 1: And I remember this scene really vividly because of the peppermel.
Speaker 1: So there's a waiter who has a peppermel, and we
Speaker 1: all have a fair amount to say about things like
Speaker 1: it's it's the first kind of real coffee shop scene
Speaker 1: in a way where it's like bu buh buh buh
Speaker 1: buh buh buh buh buh bup. I always kind of
Speaker 1: see coffee shop scenes and the group scenes as like
Speaker 1: a musical number, and everyone has different notes that they're playing,
Speaker 1: and she was often like a like a kind of
Speaker 1: like a high note, like a like a flute. Not always,
Speaker 1: of course, depending on the subject matter, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's like a symphony is happening, and you kind of
Speaker 1: have to know your part, and you also have to
Speaker 1: come in on time. So this was the thing I
Speaker 1: was talking to Michael Patrick about where we would really
Speaker 1: run these lines in the makeup trailer so that we
Speaker 1: were on it, we were smooth because they wanted us
Speaker 1: to talk fast and eat for real eat no no,
Speaker 1: you know outspit buckets whatever they're called. If we never
Speaker 1: did that, no, no, no, because you got to keep going.
Speaker 1: These are long scenes. They're like three or four pages, right,
Speaker 1: which for an actor, that's a long scene, and you
Speaker 1: have to do it many, many times, so you have
Speaker 1: to get all of your matching correct for continuity, So
Speaker 1: like when did you lift the glass, When did you
Speaker 1: lift the four? When did you cut your food? When
Speaker 1: did you chew. You have to remember all these things
Speaker 1: and if you mess up, they'll come and they'll tell you, oh, no, no,
Speaker 1: you chewed on this line, not this line. So you
Speaker 1: have to remember all that as well as being in
Speaker 1: the moment and being in the scene with the with
Speaker 1: the other actresses. Of course, So we're at this scene.
Speaker 1: It's long, and this pepper mill guy with the waiter
Speaker 1: has to show up right on time because we're kind
Speaker 1: of referring to the pepper mill as a kind of
Speaker 1: stand in for, you know, the fact that the naked
Speaker 1: man and Carrie says, congratulations. See I'm skirting around it
Speaker 1: right now. I'm skirting around it, but you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it was hard timing this, this waiter guy.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure we tortured this poor actor. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: whoever you are, but it you know, he had to
Speaker 1: come in at the right time and be on the
Speaker 1: right side of whoever had to refer to the pepper
Speaker 1: mail and roll like I roll my eyes. I do
Speaker 1: a big ol' eye roll at some point. It's kind
Speaker 1: of entertaining. But that was one of the first coffee
Speaker 1: shop scenes of which we would film. I feel like
Speaker 1: hundreds if not thousands. I mean that's how sometimes a
Speaker 1: coffee shop scene felt. You know. Eventually, what we did,
Speaker 1: we're actually in a real restaurant in that scene. Eventually,
Speaker 1: what we did was we built a coffee shop set
Speaker 1: at Silver cup Or Studio, and it's we heard it
Speaker 1: out kind of like I feel like. It was gray
Speaker 1: and khaki and wood and white, and as the years
Speaker 1: went it got more white and more white and more white.
Speaker 1: The table was white, we'd have white silks around us,
Speaker 1: we had white balanced cars. We were just in like
Speaker 1: a bubble of reflecting, beautiful light. And we love that.
Speaker 1: But we were there for like eighteen hours for a
Speaker 1: coffee shop scene, so that was when we were really
Speaker 1: earning our paychecks. Not that we didn't love it, but
Speaker 1: it was like a skilled work challenge, you know, to
Speaker 1: do the coffee shops and to do them well. So
Speaker 1: this was, in my mind, the first real coffee shop scene.
Speaker 1: So Carrie's retelling about the incident, and you know, then
Speaker 1: we have some jokes about the pepper mil and then
Speaker 1: Miranda says they became married and we became the enemy,
Speaker 1: which is one of the central themes of the pod.
Speaker 1: Not the podcast, but yes, the podcast, but the episode
Speaker 1: which is are single women really truly enemies too married women?
Speaker 1: And does this still exist? So this is a super
Speaker 1: interesting topic to think about. And in terms of my
Speaker 1: own life, I would say I have a handful of
Speaker 1: really like thirty year friendships and some longer than that.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that I am the enemy. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure I'm Auntie Kristen because I'm still single, right, so,
Speaker 1: like to their kids, I'm Auntie Christen and I love that,
Speaker 1: and I know their husband so well and they're super
Speaker 1: you know, confident in their relationship and everything. But I
Speaker 1: do feel that maybe with people that you don't know
Speaker 1: so well, single women are kind of outside of there's
Speaker 1: like a club, like the married people's club and then
Speaker 1: like the single people's club. And I do feel like
Speaker 1: that does still somewhat exist, and it's kind of sad
Speaker 1: to me. I wish it didn't exist, but I do
Speaker 1: think it's like very ingrained in society, and I do
Speaker 1: feel like there is this kind of expectation of coupledom.
Speaker 1: And Miranda is also going through this in the episode
Speaker 1: in a really fascinating way. So she wants to become
Speaker 1: a partner at her law firm, and this is the
Speaker 1: beginning of a theme that we see through the years
Speaker 1: of Miranda's kind of goal oriented career, you know, choices
Speaker 1: and trajectory, which I love, and that she's really focused
Speaker 1: and so committed and obviously so brilliant and grated her job,
Speaker 1: and she's just trying to make partner because that, of
Speaker 1: course is a huge, huge accomplishment for lawyer. And she
Speaker 1: feels and in this episode that she doesn't get invited
Speaker 1: to the dinners at the partner's house because she doesn't
Speaker 1: have a husband or a mate. So someone at her
Speaker 1: firm sets her up on a date at the softball game,
Speaker 1: and she goes to the softball game and it's a
Speaker 1: woman and she's like oh, and she goes over and
Speaker 1: she says to the guyline, I am not gay, and
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, oh, I'm so sorry. You know. And
Speaker 1: I remember this episode. I thought this episode was like
Speaker 1: season three or something. I did not realize it was
Speaker 1: so early in the trajectory of the whole show. I
Speaker 1: remember this episode and I remember asking, I don't even
Speaker 1: know if I should tell the story, but I remember
Speaker 1: asking Cynthia, you know, how was it to kiss the
Speaker 1: woman and she was like eh, And I was like really,
Speaker 1: just eh. See, I hadn't been there, right, because you're
Speaker 1: never really there for the romantic storylines of the other characters,
Speaker 1: you know. So I pictured it being a real kiss,
Speaker 1: and when I rewatched it, it's really not a real kiss.
Speaker 1: It's like a peck. It's like a peck you know,
Speaker 1: in the elevator that you could have with like a friend,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I understand from that perspective,
Speaker 1: But also whatever, she wasn't attracted to that actress, no
Speaker 1: offense to that actress. But you know, I was like, Cynthia,
Speaker 1: are you sure you felt nothing? I mean, because yeah,
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong. Could feel something, It would be fine,
Speaker 1: It could be sexy. I don't know. She's like nah nothing.
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, okay, all right. So of course,
Speaker 1: you know, many years later we would discuss that. But
Speaker 1: it was a great storyline and such a telling storyline
Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, she's part of this law
Speaker 1: firm in New York. Law firms are not really a
Speaker 1: progressive place generally, right, and so this other lawyer thinks like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm progressively going to assume that she's gay because I've
Speaker 1: never seen her with a guy, which is what he says,
Speaker 1: which is super fascinating, Like what an assumption to make,
Speaker 1: Like maybe she's just private, right, But he doesn't really
Speaker 1: consider that. He thinks he's doing her a favor by
Speaker 1: setting her up with this lovely woman. So she takes
Speaker 1: the lovely woman. Even though she tells the lovely woman
Speaker 1: right away that she's not gay, she does take her
Speaker 1: to the dinner and they do really enjoy having her,
Speaker 1: and she feels all sparkly that the partner's paying attention
Speaker 1: to her, and he walks herround, and she feels the
Speaker 1: need to, you know, confess to him that she's not,
Speaker 1: in fact gay, because I think he said something like, oh,
Speaker 1: you tet, you guys are so great or something like that,
Speaker 1: and she says, oh, you know, I just want to
Speaker 1: tell you I'm not gay. You know, I felt the
Speaker 1: pressure to bring to bring a date, and I'm not
Speaker 1: really gay, and he goes, oh, my wife really wanted
Speaker 1: to add a lesbian couple to our friend group, which really,
Speaker 1: oh god, I really felt that also, like sometimes you
Speaker 1: do feel like you're like the token straight person that
Speaker 1: they invite, or like the token gay couple that they invite,
Speaker 1: you know, to a more traditional type of a dinner
Speaker 1: party or party or whatever. And I feel like these
Speaker 1: things are still true. So I'm very interested to know
Speaker 1: if you guys think they're still true or write me
Speaker 1: in some questions or some thoughts, because I want to
Speaker 1: see them. But so, okay, here we are. I got off,
Speaker 1: I got off, I got onto the Miranda storyline. So
Speaker 1: here we are. We're at the table. We're discussing the
Speaker 1: topic single people became the enemy to married women. Now,
Speaker 1: Samantha says, married women are threatened because we can have
Speaker 1: sex anytime, anywhere with anyone, and they're afraid we're going
Speaker 1: to have it anytime anywhere with their husbands. Now, maybe
Speaker 1: that's true, and I certainly feel at the party scene
Speaker 1: that's coming, when Samantha is there talking to a guy
Speaker 1: who's in the financial world and she's getting like investment
Speaker 1: advice and his wife comes in, it's like you have
Speaker 1: to come out here right now, you know, And Samantha's
Speaker 1: just like, ah, like on her face. I mean, I
Speaker 1: just feel that in my gut because it happens frequently
Speaker 1: to be where you're just standing there, you're just a
Speaker 1: single woman standing there at a party. You're not doing anything,
Speaker 1: you're not thinking anything, you're not trying to hit on anybody.
Speaker 1: You're just standing there, right, But some guy's talking to you,
Speaker 1: and then his significant other feels like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's a threat. And that's in some ways just so
Speaker 1: kind of unfair. But then I also feel like it's
Speaker 1: so human. That's my single woman commentary on that. Oh
Speaker 1: then oh, we get to Charlotte. Charlotte doesn't believe it
Speaker 1: that the married women and the single women are enemies,
Speaker 1: but she hates when she gets the poor single look
Speaker 1: at a party. Well, isn't that the case? I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I personally get the poor single
Speaker 1: look anymore, because I think everybody knows I'm single, or
Speaker 1: they think maybe they don't know exactly if I'm single
Speaker 1: or not, who knows, But for sure there are times
Speaker 1: when you are invited somewhere and they do not want
Speaker 1: you to bring a plus one, so you can't bring
Speaker 1: a friend and you're just there by yourself, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of hard, and people look a little bit like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's by herself, and it's hard. It cuts, it cuts deep,
Speaker 1: those kind of looks. So I feel that you know,
Speaker 1: and this we wrote this episode in nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 1: So isn't that interesting still something that definitely holds up.
Speaker 1: So then the question is is there a secret cold
Speaker 1: war between marrieds and singles? I mean, I hope at
Speaker 1: this point that there is not a cold war. Let's
Speaker 1: hope that we've come further than that. But I do
Speaker 1: feel that traditionally there is like a demarcation line, which
Speaker 1: is so unfortunate when people get married. I think it's
Speaker 1: less now. I'm not sure, but I feel like everyone
Speaker 1: is just human and doing the best that they can do,
Speaker 1: and you know, we should just have empathy for everybody.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about it. But I definitely do
Speaker 1: feel that there is the pressure on probably everyone, but
Speaker 1: definitely on women, that you are supposed to find a
Speaker 1: significant other and or get married or whatever, and that
Speaker 1: if you do not, the people wonder what is wrong
Speaker 1: with you. I certainly have experienced this in my life.
Speaker 1: People are just like why, and you know, why should
Speaker 1: I have to explain to everybody why. It's hard to explain.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. For goodness sakes, If I knew why,
Speaker 1: I could just go out and fix it. I guess,
Speaker 1: but I mean, it was never my goal really to
Speaker 1: get married, as I said many times, And I have
Speaker 1: my kids and I'm super focused on them, and it
Speaker 1: is what it is, and everyone has their own journey.
Speaker 1: That's what I think. Okay, I have diverted into my
Speaker 1: own life. I am going to come back to the episode.
Speaker 1: Oh then we get Stamford, which is always so exciting,
Speaker 1: and I love this scene on the street so so
Speaker 1: incredibly much so. This is at a time when gay
Speaker 1: marriage was not legal. It was not legal until twenty
Speaker 1: eleven in New York City. So Carrie and Stanford are
Speaker 1: walking down the street and they're talking about how gay
Speaker 1: people are running off to Hawaii to get married, to
Speaker 1: have commitment ceremonies right, and that they're wearing leis and everything,
Speaker 1: and Stamford says, I miss the old days when everyone
Speaker 1: was alone, which is so adorable. And then they run
Speaker 1: into this character called Luke and his boyfriend Joe, and
Speaker 1: Carrie says, well, I haven't seen you since and he
Speaker 1: says since I was straight, and they laugh. It's like
Speaker 1: really entertaining, and then they think they want to They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we have an idea. And my thought was oh, they
Speaker 1: want to set her up with someone, and then they
Speaker 1: ask her for an egg for their baby, which is
Speaker 1: just like wow, ahead of the times, Jeream's saying, and
Speaker 1: she's like huh what and stiff, They're just like what
Speaker 1: what on earth? I mean, it was a lot, but
Speaker 1: let me tell you this was happening. I've been asked
Speaker 1: many a time. Okay I have never said yes, but
Speaker 1: back in my thirties I was asked a few different times,
Speaker 1: which is a very flattering thing to be asked, but
Speaker 1: also like a big leap. Okay, it's a big leap.
Speaker 1: So anyway, then we got to Samantha, sorry, Miranda's at
Speaker 1: the softball game, and we already discussed that it's super adorable.
Speaker 1: They're in Central Park at the ball fields. Anyone who's
Speaker 1: been to Central Park has seen them. It's great. It's
Speaker 1: a great visual and such a New York thing to
Speaker 1: be playing softball baseball on the weekends in Central Park.
Speaker 1: So then you know, she talks. She tells to Chip
Speaker 1: she's not married, I mean, sorry, she's not gay. And
Speaker 1: then Carrie has a thought. Married people don't hate singles.
Speaker 1: They just want us figured out. This is so true.
Speaker 1: This is Carrie coming with a very very true thought.
Speaker 1: I think still like they want to understand and they
Speaker 1: want to figure you out, and I do think they
Speaker 1: want to quote solve it, meaning they want to get
Speaker 1: you married somehow. I've certainly experienced this in life where
Speaker 1: people want to set me up. The married people want
Speaker 1: to set me up. They have a friend, blah blah
Speaker 1: blahh there's a lot of pressure. So then then Carrie
Speaker 1: has lunch with her favorite married couple and they are amazing.
Speaker 1: They are super interesting and funny and they're like the
Speaker 1: best married couple. They're giving jokes to each other. Blah
Speaker 1: blah's very really funny. Then this friend shows up, so
Speaker 1: it was like a secret setup, which is not cool.
Speaker 1: My feeling is you need to tell people if you're
Speaker 1: intending to try to set them up, so that they
Speaker 1: have some inkling of what is going on and can
Speaker 1: prepare their mental state for it. Right. So this guy
Speaker 1: Sean comes, so he's like super interesting, and I do
Speaker 1: think he exists. I've had people tell me they don't
Speaker 1: think that this kind of guy who wants to get
Speaker 1: married exists. I one hundred percent do think that they exist.
Speaker 1: I have definitely come across them in my day and
Speaker 1: life in the past. I think it's always a little
Speaker 1: bit you're never quite sure if they're saying what they
Speaker 1: think you want to hear, or if they truly want it.
Speaker 1: Like one time, I was dating someone who could possibly
Speaker 1: be listening right now, and I went to the bathroom
Speaker 1: or something in his apartment and I came back and
Speaker 1: on his laptop he was on a app where it
Speaker 1: does like a baby. It takes a picture of you
Speaker 1: and him and makes a baby okay, And I was like,
Speaker 1: what on earth, Oh my god, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: And he was like, wouldn't our baby be cute? And
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this is so surreal.
Speaker 1: So at the time he was in his twenties okay,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, does he really meanness? Like
Speaker 1: this is bizarre. So it really wasn't sure, and we
Speaker 1: dated off and on for a couple of years. He's
Speaker 1: a great guy, and then I'm not quite sure what happened,
Speaker 1: but I guess we're broken up. And I feel like
Speaker 1: I was working or something and I was gone and
Speaker 1: I came back and he had a girlfriend. I ran
Speaker 1: into them in Whole Foods and she was pregnant, you guys,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know it. I ran into them and
Speaker 1: Whole Foods. I was like, what he really meant it?
Speaker 1: So they got married, they have two children. Unfortunately didn't
Speaker 1: work out. But I do think he really like when
Speaker 1: he did this this app that combined our pictures as
Speaker 1: a baby picture, he really had the male version of like,
Speaker 1: you know, wanting that baby. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like people have a time in their lives. I think
Speaker 1: not everyone, of course, but some people have a time
Speaker 1: in their lives where that's just on their mind. I
Speaker 1: think it's like a you know, genetics kicking in or
Speaker 1: whatever to procreate. And he was having the male version
Speaker 1: of that, and it was real. It was real. Now,
Speaker 1: this guy in the show, he has a bit of
Speaker 1: a different way that he goes about it. He's got
Speaker 1: this you know, classic six is a classic five or
Speaker 1: classic six. I think it's a classic six apartment, which
Speaker 1: is right Charlotte's ally. Of course, she ends up with one,
Speaker 1: as you all know, but she doesn't have it yet.
Speaker 1: And he has a party. He invites Carrie. Carrie invites
Speaker 1: us because she's like, what am I doing here with
Speaker 1: all these married people? And he shows us around, shows
Speaker 1: us the room that will be the child's room, and
Speaker 1: then pulls out a baby mobile, and Carrie is like,
Speaker 1: way turned off, and I'm just like, Charlotte, not me,
Speaker 1: whatever me, Charlotte. I'm like, you know he's gonna ask
Speaker 1: you to marry him, which you know she's not wrong.
Speaker 1: He's got a tract right. His track in his head
Speaker 1: is like, oh, I'm looking for a wife, and Carrie's
Speaker 1: a fantastic woman, and I want to marry her and
Speaker 1: have a baby. And where a baby's gonna live? In
Speaker 1: this room with this mobile over his bed? You know,
Speaker 1: he's got his vision. So Carrie, of course is like,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's me. Because Carrie's trying to figure
Speaker 1: out who she is, which I really respect. And then
Speaker 1: she's like, hey, Charlotte, you know maybe that guy is
Speaker 1: for you because this is what you want, right. So
Speaker 1: then Charlotte goes out with him, which I think it's
Speaker 1: totally fine. Like if you have dated someone and you
Speaker 1: know they're not for you and you think maybe your
Speaker 1: friend would like them, I think that's very very mature,
Speaker 1: very mature. And Carrie's part, and on Charlotte's part to
Speaker 1: be like yeah, I do feel like this might work
Speaker 1: for me, so I'm gonna give it a try. So
Speaker 1: Charlotte gives it a try kind of towards the end
Speaker 1: of the episode, which is like a little often our timing,
Speaker 1: which is interesting. And then hysterically they go shopping and
Speaker 1: look at china patterns and she does not like his choice,
Speaker 1: so she's like no, which I also think is so
Speaker 1: her and so really really hysterical, like everyone's like, Charlotte
Speaker 1: just wants to get married. No, not really, because if
Speaker 1: you just like slightly the wrong china pattern, then she's like, out,
Speaker 1: not you, which I think is hysterical. Okay, and she
Speaker 1: says something like he's American classic and I'm Country French.
Speaker 1: I think is that what she says? And then if
Speaker 1: you remember, later we're going to go china shopping with Trey,
Speaker 1: which was one of my all time favorite scenes. We
Speaker 1: were in Burgdorfs all day long flipping plates over with
Speaker 1: a crane. We took a crane into Burgdorfs. I had
Speaker 1: to flip this plate so that you could see both
Speaker 1: the pattern and the name of who made it, like
Speaker 1: maybe thirty six times that director Charles McDougall, incredible director,
Speaker 1: maybe flip that plate like thirty times. It was really
Speaker 1: fun though. But so the china pattern is initially introduced
Speaker 1: in Bay of Married Pigs and carries through Charlotte's life
Speaker 1: like we still when we're filming, and just like that,
Speaker 1: Charlotte still has her beautiful china displayed in her big
Speaker 1: hutch in her dining room and we get it out
Speaker 1: for special occasions you're going to see it in and
Speaker 1: just like that, so the china is very important to Charlotte.
Speaker 1: Oh oh oh, I totally forgot this whole storyline Charlotte
Speaker 1: takes a drunken Samantha home. You guys, Michael Patrick and
Speaker 1: I talked this about this a little bit. Obviously, really
Speaker 1: doesn't go that great when Charlotte takes a drunken Samantha home,
Speaker 1: and it's not the first story of the last time
Speaker 1: that it's gonna happen, and it's kind of in me
Speaker 1: adorable because it is Charlotte's caretaking side, and it is like, like,
Speaker 1: Kim is so funny in these scenes and so amazing
Speaker 1: when she decides that she would like to have sex
Speaker 1: with my very adorable irish doorman, who I'm just like,
Speaker 1: why didn't we bring that guy back. He is incredible,
Speaker 1: what a great actor, like so good and as Michael said,
Speaker 1: that was Nicole Holofsner's like superpower was casting and getting
Speaker 1: just incredible performances out of guys in particular, but out
Speaker 1: of everyone really, And so this guy is just great
Speaker 1: and he's got this brogue that is just dreamy. So
Speaker 1: Samantha goes out in her fur code and her very
Speaker 1: fancy underwear, and Michael talks a little bit about how
Speaker 1: it doesn't actually make sense that she was wearing that
Speaker 1: underwear under that outfit. But this is one of the
Speaker 1: times when Pat was like, I don't care she's wearing it,
Speaker 1: and Pat is one hundred percent right. It's incredible. When
Speaker 1: she goes out on Central Park West and drops her coat,
Speaker 1: it's beyond So Samantha goes out there, propositions the adorable
Speaker 1: Irish doorman, apparently brings him up and has sex with
Speaker 1: him on my couch in Charlotte's apartment, which, look, this
Speaker 1: is the first time we've even seen a hallway. I
Speaker 1: didn't even know Charlotte had a hallway at this point.
Speaker 1: I only remember the two flats that were the corner
Speaker 1: of her bedroom, plus that bed and there's a pink lamp.
Speaker 1: I think it's here that I still have in my
Speaker 1: house today. That that was like, Charlotte had like very
Speaker 1: few things in the beginning. But I go out into
Speaker 1: the hallway and I have a bookcase, which was great.
Speaker 1: And then I run into the adorable Irish doorman naked
Speaker 1: in my hallway, and Charlotte is just so oh, like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, oh, should I make this crazy face at him?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh gosh, because he talks about how
Speaker 1: he just wants to feel the touch of a woman
Speaker 1: I believe something. It's just so adorable, but I'm Charlotte's
Speaker 1: not very sympathetic, which is kind of sad, but you know,
Speaker 1: she likes rules and this is breaking the rules for sure.
Speaker 1: So then he opens to the bathroom door for her,
Speaker 1: which is funny and pretty pretty strange. Like if my
Speaker 1: doorman suddenly was showing up in my apartment naked, I
Speaker 1: would be shocked. That's true. I would definitely be shocked.
Speaker 1: So then we go back to Carrie. Carrie's breaking up
Speaker 1: with a marrying guy. Then Charlotte dates him, which is
Speaker 1: pretty funny, and then oh, the end, the end is
Speaker 1: so beautiful. So the end is when we film the
Speaker 1: scene that Michael Patrick and I talked about, which we
Speaker 1: have filmed over the years. I tell you so many times,
Speaker 1: and I always love to film it, like we just
Speaker 1: filmed a version of this for just like that, and
Speaker 1: it was just a beautiful summer night and we're in
Speaker 1: a restaurant and Carrie comes to join us after something
Speaker 1: major's happened and we embrace her, and I just every
Speaker 1: time we film it, I'm like my heart is full
Speaker 1: with happiness, and this particular time, I think is the
Speaker 1: first time we film it. So the nice thing is
Speaker 1: that we are we it's the end of the episode
Speaker 1: that different things have happened to everybody, and it shows
Speaker 1: Kerrie kind of walking down the street and you hear
Speaker 1: her thoughts, of course, and then she kind of skips
Speaker 1: towards us in the really adorable way that Sarah Jessica does,
Speaker 1: and Charlotte Smith and Miranda are waiting at the entrance
Speaker 1: of the movies and also Trivia. In the back ground,
Speaker 1: you can see a poster for Godzilla, which is a
Speaker 1: movie that Michael started Matthews in Sarah's Husband, and that
Speaker 1: was the movie that I feel like he might have
Speaker 1: been filming when I started. No, no, no, no, he's
Speaker 1: filming Inspector Gadget when I saw her maybe or maybe Godzilla,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but anyway, her husband, Matthew Broderick, you know,
Speaker 1: was in this movie, which is kind of funny that
Speaker 1: we put that there. I mean, maybe it was there
Speaker 1: and we didn't move it. I have no idea, but
Speaker 1: she kind of runs to us and then they pan
Speaker 1: up and there's this fake full moon that is so
Speaker 1: cheesy and bad, but I know what we were going
Speaker 1: for and it's adorable. But back then we just didn't
Speaker 1: have a big budget, right, so like our effects and everything,
Speaker 1: you know, much less grand than they are now. But
Speaker 1: it's really sweet and it's so kind of cute. And
Speaker 1: I also just want to give a little word to
Speaker 1: the fashion in the show. So it's definitely starting to
Speaker 1: see Pat's influence in terms of definitely Samantha, not so
Speaker 1: much me. Like I'm wearing this floor length coat, which
Speaker 1: I do think I still have at home in my closet,
Speaker 1: and I'm wearing like a turtleneck. Oh, I remember this
Speaker 1: is when one of my favorite cast pictures was taken
Speaker 1: by our ooh, maybe it wasn't our amazing sephotographer Quig
Speaker 1: Blanket Horn, who we still have. It might have been
Speaker 1: someone else. But we're on the street. We're wearing the
Speaker 1: outfits where I've got the turtleneck on in the coat.
Speaker 1: We're wearing kind of casual outfits in terms of how
Speaker 1: you think of us at the heyday, you know, the
Speaker 1: heyday of Sex and the City. But we're standing on
Speaker 1: i want to say, sixth Avenue in the village and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of blurred out city lights behind us,
Speaker 1: and we're kind of looking off to the side and
Speaker 1: I just remember being one of those grabbed shots were
Speaker 1: like everybody pose, you know, look over there, and it's
Speaker 1: just a great, great picture. Where Like we're kind of
Speaker 1: starting to gel like in our how we are together,
Speaker 1: that the vibe is us together and out in the world,
Speaker 1: you know, out in the city, and we're not really
Speaker 1: dressed up because we haven't really gotten in the groove
Speaker 1: of the fashion yet. But we're getting there, right, So, Like,
Speaker 1: definitely Samantha carries definitely Seapets influence. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: you see it so much with me yet. That's coming.
Speaker 1: It's a work in progress, I would say, but it's
Speaker 1: it's all interesting in terms of, like, you know, what
Speaker 1: you think of. I think what people tend to tell
Speaker 1: me they think of with the show and the fashion
Speaker 1: is shoes and designer names and whatnot. That really wasn't
Speaker 1: the case in the beginning, and it really wasn't the
Speaker 1: case for any other television show. So it was something
Speaker 1: where Sarah Jessica already had these relationships with Calvin Klein.
Speaker 1: She wore come clin to the Oscars like many years before,
Speaker 1: you know, and she had developed these relationships and was
Speaker 1: very much an it girl in New York. They didn't
Speaker 1: have the kind of cachet that they have now in
Speaker 1: a certain way like they had it in New York,
Speaker 1: but not everyone knew about it because we didn't have
Speaker 1: social media, right, But Sar Jessica was very much that,
Speaker 1: and she had those relationships, and I remember that. I
Speaker 1: remember thinking, I need to do what she does. I
Speaker 1: need to try to make these relationships with designers that
Speaker 1: fit me that I like that our Charlotte ESQ, so
Speaker 1: that I can ask them to borrow clothes for the show.
Speaker 1: So all of us were I think in my mind
Speaker 1: all of us were trying to do that and Pat
Speaker 1: Field was also so kind of trying to develop the
Speaker 1: look of the show and at the same time develop
Speaker 1: their relationships with the pr offices of all of the
Speaker 1: designers so that we could borrow things because we couldn't
Speaker 1: afford all of those clothes and shoes and everything. We
Speaker 1: still can't, really, but you know, no budget of any
Speaker 1: television show is probably going to be able to afford that.
Speaker 1: But we were able to do it because we developed
Speaker 1: their relationships to borrow and I only see the beginnings
Speaker 1: of that now when I'm looking back at the first season,
Speaker 1: because Sarah Jessica already had those relationships and all of
Speaker 1: the rest of us are working on it basically. So
Speaker 1: that's something that I want to follow up on. I
Speaker 1: can't wait to talk to Mollie Rogers, who's still our
Speaker 1: costume designer on and just like that, and she was
Speaker 1: Pat's assistant from day one, So I can't wait to
Speaker 1: talk to Molly about it. And maybe we'll have a
Speaker 1: whole episode about the clothes. That'd be fun. All right, Bay,
Speaker 1: have Mary Pigs tell me what you guys think. See
Speaker 1: you later next time. Bye.