1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? All right, Hi, Hi, everyone, welcome back 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: to Are You a Charlotte. We are going to recap 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: episode three of season one, so episode one oh three 5 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: Bay of Married Pigs. It is a good one. So, 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: as I told you guys before, I haven't rewatched these 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: shows since they came out, right, So back when we 8 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: were starting to film the series, we would wait eagerly, 9 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: eagerly anticipate HBO giving us a VHS of the show 10 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: before it aired, and we would run home from work 11 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: and watch it and then discuss it at work the 12 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: next day. And it was always super, super, super exciting. 13 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: So I really haven't seen it since then. So probably 14 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,959 Speaker 1: I haven't seen these since like ninety eight, nineteen ninety eight, 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: long time. And in my mind I thought that the 16 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: first season wasn't like firing on all cylinders. I guess, like, 17 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: it's not that I thought it was bad. I just 18 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: didn't think that we had formed ourselves yet in a way. 19 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: But now when I look back at it, I'm really 20 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: kind of impressed. And yes, it is kind of all 21 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: over the place, but at the same time, it's way 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: better than I remember it being. And also all of 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: the kind of initial thoughts that I had that we 24 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: didn't really know, like who we were as a show, 25 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: I think are not true. I think we did. And 26 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: as Michael Patrick and I discussed, like he wrote this 27 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: episode Bay of Married Pigs, and Nicole Holoftener directed it. 28 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: She's an incredible director. And there's so much good stuff here, 29 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: so many good themes, and so many interesting performances and 30 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: interesting moments and things that I do vividly remember and 31 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: a lot that I don't remember. But I was super 32 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: super enjoyed watching it, Like, like the parts that I 33 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: don't remember, it's really interesting to rewatch. It's like I'm 34 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: rewatching them for the first time and I've never seen them. 35 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: So here we go, all right. We open with Carrie 36 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: being in the Hamptons. The Hamptons, as you know, I'm sure, 37 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: is a wonderful, wonderful place where you're just so excited. 38 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: If you know someone who has a nice house in 39 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: the Hamptons, they invite you out. So this married couple 40 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: that Carrie knows has invited her to go out to 41 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: the Hampton's. Patience and Peter are their names, and she 42 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: has to retell a sexual escapade at dinner, something I 43 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: totally relate to. I do think that married people, especially 44 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: if they've been married for a while, are expecting the 45 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: singles in their lives to come with stories. I feel 46 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: that this is still true. It's kind of some pressure sometimes, 47 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: you know. And I don't have a lot of personal 48 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,399 Speaker 1: stories myself at this point in life, and my good 49 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: friends know this, of course, but sometimes I still feel 50 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: that pressure, so that has not changed. Then this really 51 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: weird thing happens where Carrie comes out of the bathroom 52 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: in the morning and Peter is standing in the hallway 53 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: without his pants on. Okay, it's I had totally forgotten 54 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: this whole storyline. So Patience is out getting juice and 55 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: muffins and this dude is just standing there chatting with Carrie, 56 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: which is so so strange and bizarre, and Carrie adorably 57 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: handles it, you know, just really calmly. This is one 58 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: of the things I'm struck by about Sir Jessica's performances Carrie, 59 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: especially in the beginning. You know, she's very present and 60 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: very like kind of easy going and unjudgmental, like the 61 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: sex tape, you know, where she's just like, oh, okay, 62 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: my gosh, I need a cigarette, and now this dude's 63 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: standing there naked and she's just like, okay, congratulations, which is, 64 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: you know, kind of bizarre, right. But I think also 65 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: in some ways taken from the column, like when I 66 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: watch it, I see a lot of more like the 67 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: kind of bigger, broader, almost Samantha like element that Candace's 68 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: kind of doppelganger that she created for the column was, 69 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: and Sir Jessica somewhat pulled her in, you know, like 70 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: when I originally read the script, I think I said, 71 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: this Carrie smoked a lot and swore a lot, and 72 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: Sir Jessica was like, no, that doesn't feel right for me. 73 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. And to me, that's 74 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: part of why I think that Sir Jessica was such 75 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: a great, incredible choice for Carrie is that she brings 76 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: kind of a contradiction to what was on the page, 77 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: and to me, that brings depth immediately. And then of 78 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: course Sir Jessica brings her own intelligence and charm and 79 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: wit and all those things that are so important for 80 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: that character. So she's very calm about it. And then 81 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: she tells patients the wife about it, which is, you know, 82 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: possibly a mistake, Like if it were me, I don't know. 83 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have done that. I 84 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: don't know if I would have told the wife, oh yeah, 85 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: and then your husband will staying there without his pass. 86 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: I think I might have just left that out, But 87 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: then things would probably be pretty awkward with that couple. 88 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: So maybe it was right to tell her. Not one 89 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: hundred percent sure, I'm curious what you guys think. So 90 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: then Patients sends Carrie back to the city, which is 91 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: so not fair because Carrie did nothing wrong and she 92 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: told Patients about it, but they don't show that scene. 93 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: And in my mind, it wasn't like she said, like, Carrie, 94 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: I'm so mad at you. Get out. In my mind, 95 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: it was more like, oh, you know, you have to 96 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: get back to the city, and then Carrie would just 97 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: be like yeah, and then she just sends her back 98 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: to the city. I don't think it was a big drama. 99 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: That's how I perceived it, but who really knows. We 100 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: didn't see it. So it's interesting because we do later 101 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: see Patients and Peter at a party and Carrie just 102 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: chats with them like she's not upset at all back 103 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: to my easy going. She's very very easy going in 104 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: the beginning, you know, so that's interesting. And then you know, 105 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: I guess there's a question of maybe she shouldn't have 106 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: said congratulations. But also she's standing there confronted with this 107 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: naked man. I don't know what should you say? I mean, 108 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: what is the norm thing to say? I think it 109 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: would be to leave and or uh run, maybe I 110 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: don't know, these would be my instincts. But you know, 111 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: Carrie is very calm, as we know, she's not judgmental, 112 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: and she so she says congratulations, which is interesting and 113 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: kind of you know, kind of somewhat like kind of 114 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: like the sex tape thing of like she's in an 115 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: awkward position, so she kind of tries to make the 116 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: best of it. You know. That's that's what I see 117 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: when I watch it. So then she comes back to 118 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: the city and she has brunch with us, the ladies, 119 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: And I remember this scene really vividly because of the peppermel. 120 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: So there's a waiter who has a peppermel, and we 121 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: all have a fair amount to say about things like 122 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: it's it's the first kind of real coffee shop scene 123 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: in a way where it's like bu buh buh buh 124 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: buh buh buh buh buh bup. I always kind of 125 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: see coffee shop scenes and the group scenes as like 126 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: a musical number, and everyone has different notes that they're playing, 127 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: and she was often like a like a kind of 128 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: like a high note, like a like a flute. Not always, 129 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: of course, depending on the subject matter, but you know, 130 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: it's like a symphony is happening, and you kind of 131 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: have to know your part, and you also have to 132 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: come in on time. So this was the thing I 133 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: was talking to Michael Patrick about where we would really 134 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: run these lines in the makeup trailer so that we 135 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: were on it, we were smooth because they wanted us 136 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: to talk fast and eat for real eat no no, 137 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: you know outspit buckets whatever they're called. If we never 138 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: did that, no, no, no, because you got to keep going. 139 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: These are long scenes. They're like three or four pages, right, 140 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: which for an actor, that's a long scene, and you 141 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: have to do it many, many times, so you have 142 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: to get all of your matching correct for continuity, So 143 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: like when did you lift the glass, When did you 144 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: lift the four? When did you cut your food? When 145 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: did you chew. You have to remember all these things 146 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: and if you mess up, they'll come and they'll tell you, oh, no, no, 147 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: you chewed on this line, not this line. So you 148 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: have to remember all that as well as being in 149 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: the moment and being in the scene with the with 150 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: the other actresses. Of course, So we're at this scene. 151 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: It's long, and this pepper mill guy with the waiter 152 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: has to show up right on time because we're kind 153 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: of referring to the pepper mill as a kind of 154 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: stand in for, you know, the fact that the naked 155 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: man and Carrie says, congratulations. See I'm skirting around it 156 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: right now. I'm skirting around it, but you know what 157 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it was hard timing this, this waiter guy. 158 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: And I'm sure we tortured this poor actor. I'm sorry 159 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: whoever you are, but it you know, he had to 160 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: come in at the right time and be on the 161 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: right side of whoever had to refer to the pepper 162 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: mail and roll like I roll my eyes. I do 163 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: a big ol' eye roll at some point. It's kind 164 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: of entertaining. But that was one of the first coffee 165 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: shop scenes of which we would film. I feel like 166 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: hundreds if not thousands. I mean that's how sometimes a 167 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: coffee shop scene felt. You know. Eventually, what we did, 168 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: we're actually in a real restaurant in that scene. Eventually, 169 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: what we did was we built a coffee shop set 170 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: at Silver cup Or Studio, and it's we heard it 171 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: out kind of like I feel like. It was gray 172 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: and khaki and wood and white, and as the years 173 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: went it got more white and more white and more white. 174 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: The table was white, we'd have white silks around us, 175 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: we had white balanced cars. We were just in like 176 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: a bubble of reflecting, beautiful light. And we love that. 177 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: But we were there for like eighteen hours for a 178 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: coffee shop scene, so that was when we were really 179 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: earning our paychecks. Not that we didn't love it, but 180 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: it was like a skilled work challenge, you know, to 181 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: do the coffee shops and to do them well. So 182 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: this was, in my mind, the first real coffee shop scene. 183 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: So Carrie's retelling about the incident, and you know, then 184 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: we have some jokes about the pepper mil and then 185 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: Miranda says they became married and we became the enemy, 186 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: which is one of the central themes of the pod. 187 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: Not the podcast, but yes, the podcast, but the episode 188 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: which is are single women really truly enemies too married women? 189 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: And does this still exist? So this is a super 190 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: interesting topic to think about. And in terms of my 191 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: own life, I would say I have a handful of 192 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: really like thirty year friendships and some longer than that. 193 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: And I don't think that I am the enemy. I'm 194 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: pretty sure I'm Auntie Kristen because I'm still single, right, so, 195 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: like to their kids, I'm Auntie Christen and I love that, 196 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: and I know their husband so well and they're super 197 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: you know, confident in their relationship and everything. But I 198 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: do feel that maybe with people that you don't know 199 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: so well, single women are kind of outside of there's 200 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: like a club, like the married people's club and then 201 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: like the single people's club. And I do feel like 202 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: that does still somewhat exist, and it's kind of sad 203 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: to me. I wish it didn't exist, but I do 204 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: think it's like very ingrained in society, and I do 205 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: feel like there is this kind of expectation of coupledom. 206 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: And Miranda is also going through this in the episode 207 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: in a really fascinating way. So she wants to become 208 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 1: a partner at her law firm, and this is the 209 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: beginning of a theme that we see through the years 210 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: of Miranda's kind of goal oriented career, you know, choices 211 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: and trajectory, which I love, and that she's really focused 212 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: and so committed and obviously so brilliant and grated her job, 213 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: and she's just trying to make partner because that, of 214 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: course is a huge, huge accomplishment for lawyer. And she 215 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: feels and in this episode that she doesn't get invited 216 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: to the dinners at the partner's house because she doesn't 217 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: have a husband or a mate. So someone at her 218 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: firm sets her up on a date at the softball game, 219 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: and she goes to the softball game and it's a 220 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: woman and she's like oh, and she goes over and 221 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: she says to the guyline, I am not gay, and 222 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: he goes, oh, oh, I'm so sorry. You know. And 223 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: I remember this episode. I thought this episode was like 224 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,599 Speaker 1: season three or something. I did not realize it was 225 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: so early in the trajectory of the whole show. I 226 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: remember this episode and I remember asking, I don't even 227 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: know if I should tell the story, but I remember 228 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: asking Cynthia, you know, how was it to kiss the 229 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: woman and she was like eh, And I was like really, 230 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: just eh. See, I hadn't been there, right, because you're 231 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: never really there for the romantic storylines of the other characters, 232 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: you know. So I pictured it being a real kiss, 233 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: and when I rewatched it, it's really not a real kiss. 234 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: It's like a peck. It's like a peck you know, 235 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: in the elevator that you could have with like a friend, 236 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I understand from that perspective, 237 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: But also whatever, she wasn't attracted to that actress, no 238 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: offense to that actress. But you know, I was like, Cynthia, 239 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 1: are you sure you felt nothing? I mean, because yeah, 240 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong. Could feel something, It would be fine, 241 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: It could be sexy. I don't know. She's like nah nothing. 242 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, okay, all right. So of course, 243 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, many years later we would discuss that. But 244 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: it was a great storyline and such a telling storyline 245 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, she's part of this law 246 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: firm in New York. Law firms are not really a 247 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: progressive place generally, right, and so this other lawyer thinks like, oh, 248 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm progressively going to assume that she's gay because I've 249 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: never seen her with a guy, which is what he says, 250 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: which is super fascinating, Like what an assumption to make, 251 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: Like maybe she's just private, right, But he doesn't really 252 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: consider that. He thinks he's doing her a favor by 253 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: setting her up with this lovely woman. So she takes 254 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: the lovely woman. Even though she tells the lovely woman 255 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: right away that she's not gay, she does take her 256 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: to the dinner and they do really enjoy having her, 257 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: and she feels all sparkly that the partner's paying attention 258 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: to her, and he walks herround, and she feels the 259 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: need to, you know, confess to him that she's not, 260 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: in fact gay, because I think he said something like, oh, 261 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: you tet, you guys are so great or something like that, 262 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 1: and she says, oh, you know, I just want to 263 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: tell you I'm not gay. You know, I felt the 264 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: pressure to bring to bring a date, and I'm not 265 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: really gay, and he goes, oh, my wife really wanted 266 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: to add a lesbian couple to our friend group, which really, 267 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: oh god, I really felt that also, like sometimes you 268 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: do feel like you're like the token straight person that 269 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: they invite, or like the token gay couple that they invite, 270 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: you know, to a more traditional type of a dinner 271 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: party or party or whatever. And I feel like these 272 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: things are still true. So I'm very interested to know 273 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: if you guys think they're still true or write me 274 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: in some questions or some thoughts, because I want to 275 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: see them. But so, okay, here we are. I got off, 276 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: I got off, I got onto the Miranda storyline. So 277 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: here we are. We're at the table. We're discussing the 278 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: topic single people became the enemy to married women. Now, 279 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: Samantha says, married women are threatened because we can have 280 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: sex anytime, anywhere with anyone, and they're afraid we're going 281 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: to have it anytime anywhere with their husbands. Now, maybe 282 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: that's true, and I certainly feel at the party scene 283 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: that's coming, when Samantha is there talking to a guy 284 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: who's in the financial world and she's getting like investment 285 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: advice and his wife comes in, it's like you have 286 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: to come out here right now, you know, And Samantha's 287 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: just like, ah, like on her face. I mean, I 288 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: just feel that in my gut because it happens frequently 289 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: to be where you're just standing there, you're just a 290 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: single woman standing there at a party. You're not doing anything, 291 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: you're not thinking anything, you're not trying to hit on anybody. 292 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: You're just standing there, right, But some guy's talking to you, 293 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: and then his significant other feels like, no, no, no, 294 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: that's a threat. And that's in some ways just so 295 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: kind of unfair. But then I also feel like it's 296 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: so human. That's my single woman commentary on that. Oh 297 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: then oh, we get to Charlotte. Charlotte doesn't believe it 298 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: that the married women and the single women are enemies, 299 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: but she hates when she gets the poor single look 300 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: at a party. Well, isn't that the case? I mean, 301 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if I personally get the poor single 302 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: look anymore, because I think everybody knows I'm single, or 303 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: they think maybe they don't know exactly if I'm single 304 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: or not, who knows, But for sure there are times 305 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: when you are invited somewhere and they do not want 306 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: you to bring a plus one, so you can't bring 307 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: a friend and you're just there by yourself, and it's 308 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: kind of hard, and people look a little bit like, oh, 309 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: she's by herself, and it's hard. It cuts, it cuts deep, 310 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: those kind of looks. So I feel that you know, 311 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: and this we wrote this episode in nineteen ninety eight, 312 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: So isn't that interesting still something that definitely holds up. 313 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: So then the question is is there a secret cold 314 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: war between marrieds and singles? I mean, I hope at 315 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: this point that there is not a cold war. Let's 316 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: hope that we've come further than that. But I do 317 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: feel that traditionally there is like a demarcation line, which 318 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: is so unfortunate when people get married. I think it's 319 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: less now. I'm not sure, but I feel like everyone 320 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: is just human and doing the best that they can do, 321 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: and you know, we should just have empathy for everybody. 322 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: That's how I feel about it. But I definitely do 323 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: feel that there is the pressure on probably everyone, but 324 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: definitely on women, that you are supposed to find a 325 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: significant other and or get married or whatever, and that 326 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: if you do not, the people wonder what is wrong 327 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: with you. I certainly have experienced this in my life. 328 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: People are just like why, and you know, why should 329 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: I have to explain to everybody why. It's hard to explain. 330 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: I don't know why. For goodness sakes, If I knew why, 331 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: I could just go out and fix it. I guess, 332 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: but I mean, it was never my goal really to 333 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: get married, as I said many times, And I have 334 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: my kids and I'm super focused on them, and it 335 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: is what it is, and everyone has their own journey. 336 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: That's what I think. Okay, I have diverted into my 337 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: own life. I am going to come back to the episode. 338 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: Oh then we get Stamford, which is always so exciting, 339 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: and I love this scene on the street so so 340 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: incredibly much so. This is at a time when gay 341 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: marriage was not legal. It was not legal until twenty 342 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,719 Speaker 1: eleven in New York City. So Carrie and Stanford are 343 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: walking down the street and they're talking about how gay 344 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: people are running off to Hawaii to get married, to 345 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: have commitment ceremonies right, and that they're wearing leis and everything, 346 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: and Stamford says, I miss the old days when everyone 347 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: was alone, which is so adorable. And then they run 348 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: into this character called Luke and his boyfriend Joe, and 349 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: Carrie says, well, I haven't seen you since and he 350 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: says since I was straight, and they laugh. It's like 351 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: really entertaining, and then they think they want to They're like, oh, 352 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: we have an idea. And my thought was oh, they 353 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: want to set her up with someone, and then they 354 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: ask her for an egg for their baby, which is 355 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: just like wow, ahead of the times, Jeream's saying, and 356 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: she's like huh what and stiff, They're just like what 357 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: what on earth? I mean, it was a lot, but 358 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: let me tell you this was happening. I've been asked 359 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: many a time. Okay I have never said yes, but 360 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: back in my thirties I was asked a few different times, 361 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: which is a very flattering thing to be asked, but 362 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: also like a big leap. Okay, it's a big leap. 363 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,239 Speaker 1: So anyway, then we got to Samantha, sorry, Miranda's at 364 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: the softball game, and we already discussed that it's super adorable. 365 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: They're in Central Park at the ball fields. Anyone who's 366 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: been to Central Park has seen them. It's great. It's 367 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: a great visual and such a New York thing to 368 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: be playing softball baseball on the weekends in Central Park. 369 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: So then you know, she talks. She tells to Chip 370 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: she's not married, I mean, sorry, she's not gay. And 371 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: then Carrie has a thought. Married people don't hate singles. 372 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: They just want us figured out. This is so true. 373 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: This is Carrie coming with a very very true thought. 374 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: I think still like they want to understand and they 375 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,239 Speaker 1: want to figure you out, and I do think they 376 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: want to quote solve it, meaning they want to get 377 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: you married somehow. I've certainly experienced this in life where 378 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: people want to set me up. The married people want 379 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: to set me up. They have a friend, blah blah 380 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: blahh there's a lot of pressure. So then then Carrie 381 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: has lunch with her favorite married couple and they are amazing. 382 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: They are super interesting and funny and they're like the 383 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: best married couple. They're giving jokes to each other. Blah 384 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: blah's very really funny. Then this friend shows up, so 385 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: it was like a secret setup, which is not cool. 386 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: My feeling is you need to tell people if you're 387 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: intending to try to set them up, so that they 388 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: have some inkling of what is going on and can 389 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: prepare their mental state for it. Right. So this guy 390 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: Sean comes, so he's like super interesting, and I do 391 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: think he exists. I've had people tell me they don't 392 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,239 Speaker 1: think that this kind of guy who wants to get 393 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: married exists. I one hundred percent do think that they exist. 394 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: I have definitely come across them in my day and 395 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: life in the past. I think it's always a little 396 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:07,719 Speaker 1: bit you're never quite sure if they're saying what they 397 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: think you want to hear, or if they truly want it. 398 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: Like one time, I was dating someone who could possibly 399 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: be listening right now, and I went to the bathroom 400 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: or something in his apartment and I came back and 401 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: on his laptop he was on a app where it 402 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: does like a baby. It takes a picture of you 403 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: and him and makes a baby okay, And I was like, 404 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: what on earth, Oh my god, what are you doing? 405 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: And he was like, wouldn't our baby be cute? And 406 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this is so surreal. 407 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: So at the time he was in his twenties okay, 408 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: and I was just like, does he really meanness? Like 409 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: this is bizarre. So it really wasn't sure, and we 410 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: dated off and on for a couple of years. He's 411 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,479 Speaker 1: a great guy, and then I'm not quite sure what happened, 412 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: but I guess we're broken up. And I feel like 413 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: I was working or something and I was gone and 414 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: I came back and he had a girlfriend. I ran 415 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: into them in Whole Foods and she was pregnant, you guys, 416 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: and I didn't know it. I ran into them and 417 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: Whole Foods. I was like, what he really meant it? 418 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: So they got married, they have two children. Unfortunately didn't 419 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: work out. But I do think he really like when 420 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: he did this this app that combined our pictures as 421 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: a baby picture, he really had the male version of like, 422 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: you know, wanting that baby. You know what I'm saying, 423 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: Like people have a time in their lives. I think 424 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: not everyone, of course, but some people have a time 425 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: in their lives where that's just on their mind. I 426 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: think it's like a you know, genetics kicking in or 427 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: whatever to procreate. And he was having the male version 428 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: of that, and it was real. It was real. Now, 429 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: this guy in the show, he has a bit of 430 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 1: a different way that he goes about it. He's got 431 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: this you know, classic six is a classic five or 432 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: classic six. I think it's a classic six apartment, which 433 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: is right Charlotte's ally. Of course, she ends up with one, 434 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: as you all know, but she doesn't have it yet. 435 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,959 Speaker 1: And he has a party. He invites Carrie. Carrie invites 436 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: us because she's like, what am I doing here with 437 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: all these married people? And he shows us around, shows 438 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: us the room that will be the child's room, and 439 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: then pulls out a baby mobile, and Carrie is like, 440 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: way turned off, and I'm just like, Charlotte, not me, 441 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 1: whatever me, Charlotte. I'm like, you know he's gonna ask 442 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: you to marry him, which you know she's not wrong. 443 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: He's got a tract right. His track in his head 444 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: is like, oh, I'm looking for a wife, and Carrie's 445 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: a fantastic woman, and I want to marry her and 446 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: have a baby. And where a baby's gonna live? In 447 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: this room with this mobile over his bed? You know, 448 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: he's got his vision. So Carrie, of course is like, 449 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: I don't think that's me. Because Carrie's trying to figure 450 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: out who she is, which I really respect. And then 451 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: she's like, hey, Charlotte, you know maybe that guy is 452 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: for you because this is what you want, right. So 453 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 1: then Charlotte goes out with him, which I think it's 454 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: totally fine. Like if you have dated someone and you 455 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: know they're not for you and you think maybe your 456 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: friend would like them, I think that's very very mature, 457 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: very mature. And Carrie's part, and on Charlotte's part to 458 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: be like yeah, I do feel like this might work 459 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: for me, so I'm gonna give it a try. So 460 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: Charlotte gives it a try kind of towards the end 461 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: of the episode, which is like a little often our timing, 462 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: which is interesting. And then hysterically they go shopping and 463 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: look at china patterns and she does not like his choice, 464 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: so she's like no, which I also think is so 465 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: her and so really really hysterical, like everyone's like, Charlotte 466 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: just wants to get married. No, not really, because if 467 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: you just like slightly the wrong china pattern, then she's like, out, 468 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: not you, which I think is hysterical. Okay, and she 469 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: says something like he's American classic and I'm Country French. 470 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: I think is that what she says? And then if 471 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: you remember, later we're going to go china shopping with Trey, 472 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: which was one of my all time favorite scenes. We 473 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: were in Burgdorfs all day long flipping plates over with 474 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,479 Speaker 1: a crane. We took a crane into Burgdorfs. I had 475 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: to flip this plate so that you could see both 476 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: the pattern and the name of who made it, like 477 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: maybe thirty six times that director Charles McDougall, incredible director, 478 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: maybe flip that plate like thirty times. It was really 479 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: fun though. But so the china pattern is initially introduced 480 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: in Bay of Married Pigs and carries through Charlotte's life 481 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: like we still when we're filming, and just like that, 482 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: Charlotte still has her beautiful china displayed in her big 483 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: hutch in her dining room and we get it out 484 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: for special occasions you're going to see it in and 485 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: just like that, so the china is very important to Charlotte. 486 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: Oh oh oh, I totally forgot this whole storyline Charlotte 487 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: takes a drunken Samantha home. You guys, Michael Patrick and 488 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: I talked this about this a little bit. Obviously, really 489 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: doesn't go that great when Charlotte takes a drunken Samantha home, 490 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: and it's not the first story of the last time 491 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: that it's gonna happen, and it's kind of in me 492 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: adorable because it is Charlotte's caretaking side, and it is like, like, 493 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: Kim is so funny in these scenes and so amazing 494 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: when she decides that she would like to have sex 495 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: with my very adorable irish doorman, who I'm just like, 496 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: why didn't we bring that guy back. He is incredible, 497 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: what a great actor, like so good and as Michael said, 498 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: that was Nicole Holofsner's like superpower was casting and getting 499 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: just incredible performances out of guys in particular, but out 500 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: of everyone really, And so this guy is just great 501 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: and he's got this brogue that is just dreamy. So 502 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: Samantha goes out in her fur code and her very 503 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: fancy underwear, and Michael talks a little bit about how 504 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't actually make sense that she was wearing that 505 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: underwear under that outfit. But this is one of the 506 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: times when Pat was like, I don't care she's wearing it, 507 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: and Pat is one hundred percent right. It's incredible. When 508 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: she goes out on Central Park West and drops her coat, 509 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: it's beyond So Samantha goes out there, propositions the adorable 510 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: Irish doorman, apparently brings him up and has sex with 511 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: him on my couch in Charlotte's apartment, which, look, this 512 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: is the first time we've even seen a hallway. I 513 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: didn't even know Charlotte had a hallway at this point. 514 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: I only remember the two flats that were the corner 515 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: of her bedroom, plus that bed and there's a pink lamp. 516 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: I think it's here that I still have in my 517 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: house today. That that was like, Charlotte had like very 518 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: few things in the beginning. But I go out into 519 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: the hallway and I have a bookcase, which was great. 520 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: And then I run into the adorable Irish doorman naked 521 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: in my hallway, and Charlotte is just so oh, like, uh, 522 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,959 Speaker 1: you know, oh, should I make this crazy face at him? 523 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh gosh, because he talks about how 524 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: he just wants to feel the touch of a woman 525 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: I believe something. It's just so adorable, but I'm Charlotte's 526 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: not very sympathetic, which is kind of sad, but you know, 527 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: she likes rules and this is breaking the rules for sure. 528 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,719 Speaker 1: So then he opens to the bathroom door for her, 529 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: which is funny and pretty pretty strange. Like if my 530 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: doorman suddenly was showing up in my apartment naked, I 531 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: would be shocked. That's true. I would definitely be shocked. 532 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: So then we go back to Carrie. Carrie's breaking up 533 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: with a marrying guy. Then Charlotte dates him, which is 534 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: pretty funny, and then oh, the end, the end is 535 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: so beautiful. So the end is when we film the 536 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: scene that Michael Patrick and I talked about, which we 537 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: have filmed over the years. I tell you so many times, 538 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: and I always love to film it, like we just 539 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: filmed a version of this for just like that, and 540 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: it was just a beautiful summer night and we're in 541 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: a restaurant and Carrie comes to join us after something 542 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: major's happened and we embrace her, and I just every 543 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: time we film it, I'm like my heart is full 544 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: with happiness, and this particular time, I think is the 545 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: first time we film it. So the nice thing is 546 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: that we are we it's the end of the episode 547 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: that different things have happened to everybody, and it shows 548 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: Kerrie kind of walking down the street and you hear 549 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,719 Speaker 1: her thoughts, of course, and then she kind of skips 550 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: towards us in the really adorable way that Sarah Jessica does, 551 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: and Charlotte Smith and Miranda are waiting at the entrance 552 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: of the movies and also Trivia. In the back ground, 553 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: you can see a poster for Godzilla, which is a 554 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: movie that Michael started Matthews in Sarah's Husband, and that 555 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: was the movie that I feel like he might have 556 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: been filming when I started. No, no, no, no, he's 557 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: filming Inspector Gadget when I saw her maybe or maybe Godzilla, 558 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but anyway, her husband, Matthew Broderick, you know, 559 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: was in this movie, which is kind of funny that 560 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: we put that there. I mean, maybe it was there 561 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: and we didn't move it. I have no idea, but 562 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: she kind of runs to us and then they pan 563 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: up and there's this fake full moon that is so 564 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: cheesy and bad, but I know what we were going 565 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: for and it's adorable. But back then we just didn't 566 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: have a big budget, right, so like our effects and everything, 567 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: you know, much less grand than they are now. But 568 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: it's really sweet and it's so kind of cute. And 569 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: I also just want to give a little word to 570 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: the fashion in the show. So it's definitely starting to 571 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: see Pat's influence in terms of definitely Samantha, not so 572 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: much me. Like I'm wearing this floor length coat, which 573 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: I do think I still have at home in my closet, 574 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: and I'm wearing like a turtleneck. Oh, I remember this 575 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: is when one of my favorite cast pictures was taken 576 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: by our ooh, maybe it wasn't our amazing sephotographer Quig 577 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: Blanket Horn, who we still have. It might have been 578 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: someone else. But we're on the street. We're wearing the 579 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: outfits where I've got the turtleneck on in the coat. 580 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: We're wearing kind of casual outfits in terms of how 581 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: you think of us at the heyday, you know, the 582 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: heyday of Sex and the City. But we're standing on 583 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: i want to say, sixth Avenue in the village and 584 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of blurred out city lights behind us, 585 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: and we're kind of looking off to the side and 586 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: I just remember being one of those grabbed shots were 587 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: like everybody pose, you know, look over there, and it's 588 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: just a great, great picture. Where Like we're kind of 589 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: starting to gel like in our how we are together, 590 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: that the vibe is us together and out in the world, 591 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: you know, out in the city, and we're not really 592 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: dressed up because we haven't really gotten in the groove 593 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: of the fashion yet. But we're getting there, right, So, Like, 594 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: definitely Samantha carries definitely Seapets influence. I don't feel like 595 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: you see it so much with me yet. That's coming. 596 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: It's a work in progress, I would say, but it's 597 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: it's all interesting in terms of, like, you know, what 598 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: you think of. I think what people tend to tell 599 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: me they think of with the show and the fashion 600 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: is shoes and designer names and whatnot. That really wasn't 601 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: the case in the beginning, and it really wasn't the 602 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: case for any other television show. So it was something 603 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: where Sarah Jessica already had these relationships with Calvin Klein. 604 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: She wore come clin to the Oscars like many years before, 605 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: you know, and she had developed these relationships and was 606 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: very much an it girl in New York. They didn't 607 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: have the kind of cachet that they have now in 608 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: a certain way like they had it in New York, 609 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: but not everyone knew about it because we didn't have 610 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: social media, right, But Sar Jessica was very much that, 611 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: and she had those relationships, and I remember that. I 612 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: remember thinking, I need to do what she does. I 613 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: need to try to make these relationships with designers that 614 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: fit me that I like that our Charlotte ESQ, so 615 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: that I can ask them to borrow clothes for the show. 616 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: So all of us were I think in my mind 617 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: all of us were trying to do that and Pat 618 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: Field was also so kind of trying to develop the 619 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: look of the show and at the same time develop 620 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: their relationships with the pr offices of all of the 621 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: designers so that we could borrow things because we couldn't 622 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: afford all of those clothes and shoes and everything. We 623 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: still can't, really, but you know, no budget of any 624 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: television show is probably going to be able to afford that. 625 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: But we were able to do it because we developed 626 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,959 Speaker 1: their relationships to borrow and I only see the beginnings 627 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: of that now when I'm looking back at the first season, 628 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: because Sarah Jessica already had those relationships and all of 629 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: the rest of us are working on it basically. So 630 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: that's something that I want to follow up on. I 631 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: can't wait to talk to Mollie Rogers, who's still our 632 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: costume designer on and just like that, and she was 633 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: Pat's assistant from day one, So I can't wait to 634 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: talk to Molly about it. And maybe we'll have a 635 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: whole episode about the clothes. That'd be fun. All right, Bay, 636 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: have Mary Pigs tell me what you guys think. See 637 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: you later next time. Bye.