1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's the Velvet's 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson. 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 2: Jeremy Coward is here. He is a celebrity photographer and 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: a philanthropist in Nashville. I've been such a fan of 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: your work for so long. I cannot believe we haven't 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 2: actually met or worked together at this point. 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: I know it's crazy. We've definitely chatted in the bus, 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 3: but y'all, this is our first meeting. 9 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, are you a four on the Enneagram? Have we 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: talked about? Okay? Same same lla for as unite. I 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 2: believe you were doing a project back in the day 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: where you shot people with different Enneagram numbers, just kind 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: of catching their personality in the way that the number 14 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: on the Enneagram was showcased through the picture really like 15 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: stood out. I loved that project. How did that go 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: for you? 17 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 3: Well, it's funny. It was going amazingly well and then 18 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 3: literally the pandemic hit, Like what I for launched it. 19 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 3: It's like a launch it for a month or two 20 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 3: and it is amazing, and then it just went away. 21 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I actually want to get into talking about 22 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: that with you, because you put a post up on 23 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: Instagram a couple of weeks ago, and it just really 24 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 2: hit home for me. You were so vulnerable just talking 25 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: about just the different ways that creatively been struggling since 26 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 2: the pandemic. Let's start with just talking about what does 27 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 2: creative life look like after the pandemic for you, because 28 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: that's something I really relate to. Like, everyone keeps saying 29 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: it's back to normal, and I'm like, this is not 30 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: the same. So what has it looked like for you? 31 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, just I mean from so storry, I got to 32 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 3: turn my ringer off. No, it's off. For me, it's 33 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 3: looked like a bit of a mess, mainly because I 34 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: do so many different things that I think I've confused 35 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: myself and my audience, you know, as to what I'm doing. 36 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 3: I do pretty hard headfirst into the world of crypto 37 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: and NFTs, and that lost the majority of my audience 38 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: because nobody knows anything about NFTs or crypto. It's very 39 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: very and even I had to feel like I got 40 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: to go to law school to learn how to do it. 41 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 3: It was really challenging. But yeah, I just I don't know, 42 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: I just, you know, I'm so add and that leads 43 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 3: me to chasing all the squirrels, you know, all the 44 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 3: things that I could do and should do. You know, 45 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 3: I think we should just chase the things that we 46 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 3: should do. But I tend to chase the things so 47 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: I could do that when when I go do it, 48 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 3: you know, and then I'm like tired of that in 49 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 3: that path back over here. And so but even in 50 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 3: this season of being really hard, I've started to really 51 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 3: kind of chat with other creatives. I'm like, am I 52 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: alone in this? And it turns out that, like you're saying, 53 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 3: we really are all still in a very tough season 54 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: post pandemic. If you are the rare creative killing it 55 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 3: right now and fulfilled and making tons of money, then 56 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 3: a sincere congrats. 57 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: Yeah you're one of the view. Yeah, it has felt 58 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: that way. I feel like maybe it's that people aren't 59 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: spending the same money the same way. And I feel 60 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 2: like most industries must feel this to some capacity, but 61 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: definitely the creative world, the entertainment world, has felt a 62 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: bit like things just still have not settled the same 63 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: and maybe they just never will be. Do you ever 64 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: think about that, what will happen for you if things 65 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: don't go back to the way they were. 66 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, we have so many things 67 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: changing right now. Literally before seconds before I got on 68 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 3: the zoom with you, my friends send me a TikTok 69 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 3: of where AI video is heading right now, and it's 70 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 3: just stupid scary, like, yeah, I can't even fat them 71 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 3: what I just saw gets. 72 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. 73 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: You essentially like, look at a photo and you like 74 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 3: of a boat in the water. You just select the 75 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: boat and then the boat starts moving in a four 76 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 3: K high res video as if it was shot as 77 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 3: a cinematic movie from the beginning. But it was a 78 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 3: photo that I don't know, like it just there's there. 79 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 3: It's all interesting and exciting. But I find fine, AI 80 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 3: has to be more bad news and good news, and 81 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 3: so I think that's playing into the uncertainty for a 82 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: lot of creatives, like will we still have jobs? Will 83 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 3: people still need it? Like, I don't know, it's getting 84 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 3: very interesting. 85 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, well you mentioned and I don't know if it's 86 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: gotten bigger for you after COVID or not. But the 87 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 2: doing the multiple things, which I know my listeners are like, 88 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: oh yeah, that's Kelly too, Like I'd completely just have 89 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: my hand in a lot of pockets and and maybe 90 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 2: this is a four thing now that I know that 91 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: we're both fours, but I can't seem to just do 92 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: the thing where you really focus on one thing and 93 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: you do it really well, and that's what people know 94 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: you for, because I'll start to see one other thing 95 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, that's exciting. Let me like put 96 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: some energy into that. And I enjoy doing that too. 97 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: But what you said is so accurate about how it 98 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 2: confuses people. So what have you learned because I know 99 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: you write books, you do public speaking, you're a photographer. 100 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: What have you learned as an entrepreneur about just that 101 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: saying that people say, like, no, you have to do 102 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: one thing and you have to do it well. Like 103 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: do you believe that to be true? 104 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 3: I definitely find myself envious a lot of people who 105 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 3: do one thing and do it well. I don't think 106 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 3: you have to. I think you know, the grass is 107 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 3: always greener. People that do one thing and do it 108 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 3: well are jealous of me, and then I'm jealous of them. 109 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 3: Like there's always going to be, you know, positives and 110 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 3: negatives to each and so doing joy the variety that 111 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 3: my career brings something I'm always I mean, there have 112 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 3: been days where I've dabbled in five different careers and 113 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 3: one day you know. Yeah, and there's so many obvious 114 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 3: downsides so that it can get exhausting. And yeah, it 115 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 3: can be confusing, like I said earlier to both you 116 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 3: and your audiences to what do you do? 117 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: You know? 118 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 3: But I think in the end of still enjoy h 119 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 3: I would rather be diverse in what I do for sure. 120 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. You have a book called I'm Possible, and the 121 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: whole premise of the book is that you can do 122 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: anything that you set your mind to, and it talks 123 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: a little bit about your life prior to becoming a 124 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: very successful photographer and in the description specifically says Jeremy 125 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: started out as a failure growing up, his life was 126 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: defined by the words I can't do it. Where in 127 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: your life can you look back now and see this shift, 128 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: because you do have your hand in so many pockets 129 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: and you are so creative. Where did you really start 130 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: to learn to believe in yourself? 131 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, my mom and 132 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:20,679 Speaker 3: dad would always encourage me, but I think probably somewhere 133 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: in high school where I, you know, started to realize like, 134 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 3: oh I won the R Show and I was, you know, 135 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: lead in my school play and like my peers would 136 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 3: start to vote me for stuff, and so yeah, I 137 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 3: started to, you know, not think I was a complete 138 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: and total failure. Somewhere along the way. I just thought 139 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 3: I wasn't like academically smart or which therefore maybe think 140 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 3: that I wasn't going to mount too much in life 141 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 3: if I didn't make straight a's. And so I was 142 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: confident in my creativity, but still like unsure about how 143 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 3: I would fare as a human. 144 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: So, yeah, I feel like one of the things that 145 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: I've learned about just the creative journey and the doing 146 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: to circle back to the doing a lot of things, 147 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: is that maybe my creativity just can focus on a 148 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: lot of things or I thrive in that position. Like 149 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 2: I'm really starting to try to accept that about myself 150 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: as maybe a jack of all trades, if you will, 151 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: or looking at the bigger picture of that's what makes 152 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 2: me unique and special? Is that something that this book 153 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: and even just your experience with growing your creative life, 154 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: like what have you come to learn about yourself and 155 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: your own creativity creativity specifically? 156 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 3: Gosh, what have I start a city? And what have 157 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 3: I learned about myself and growing creatively? 158 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 2: Yeah? And just in your own creativity, do you think. 159 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 2: I guess what I've started to learn is I look 160 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 2: at the people who do one thing and I think, Wow, 161 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: they do that really well. And like you said, I 162 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 2: start to beat myself up sometimes because I'm like, why 163 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 2: can't I just do that or focus on one thing? 164 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: But then I've just started to get to the age 165 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: where I'm like, well I just can't. It's just it's 166 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: not how I am and I never will be. And 167 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: the more I try to change myself into who they are, 168 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 2: the less unique, the less creative I actually become because 169 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:25,119 Speaker 2: I'm not being myself. 170 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 171 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so is there something specific that you've learned 172 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: just about your own creativity and how you specifically thrive. 173 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: I think I want to say this just for any 174 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: other creatives listening, like it doesn't have to look like 175 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: anyone else. 176 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 3: That's a very very good point that I think creatives 177 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 3: need to hear. 178 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 179 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 3: Then for me, I'm I'm the exact same as you, 180 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 3: like b'reth recently just embraced like this is just who 181 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 3: I am. Like I'm always going to be jumping from 182 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 3: thing the thing, and I cannot no matter how hard 183 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: I try. There's no stopping that for better for worse, 184 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 3: Like it just is what it is. I did recently, 185 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 3: like three weeks ago, started add meds. Oh okay, so 186 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 3: I thought the meds might like calm me down a 187 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: little bit in terms of the idea jumping. Sadly, it 188 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 3: does not. It does help me tremendously. I'm a big 189 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: fan which did not want to be a Meds. Yeah, 190 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 3: I fought against that idea for literally years and years, 191 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 3: but it was so bad this summer I was like, okay, 192 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 3: I think I needed help. And I'm a big fan 193 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 3: of like eating clean and eating naturally and doing all 194 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 3: the gluten free and dairy free and all that stuff 195 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 3: and all that helps, but my add was still really bad. 196 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 3: So anyway, I finally went and got meds And now 197 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 3: I'm so glad it did, because they just a little 198 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 3: booze to help me, like at least respond to emails 199 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 3: and pay attention to conversations and you know things like 200 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 3: that to make me just function better. And it does 201 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 3: not affect more creativity thing, and it's a non habit 202 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 3: forming so like you can't get addicted. So anyway, they've 203 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 3: been a really good help. But still aren't changing the 204 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 3: fact that I'm just gonna keep jumping from my DA 205 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 3: to Ada. 206 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just how you are with a book like 207 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: I'm Possible. Even that title feels scary to me as 208 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: a person who I don't know it can doubt myself. 209 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: Do you feel an extra amount of pressure because you 210 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: wrote a book about this as this like motivator and 211 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 2: then to do a post like you did on Instagram 212 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago and just said straight up 213 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: like I'm struggling right now. This is really hard. Is 214 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 2: that harder as a person who's written a book like 215 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 2: I'm Possible to then kind of does it feel like 216 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: backtracking maybe to say out loud, hey, this is hard 217 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: and I'm struggling now too, Because I know I told 218 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 2: you guys You're possible, but like I'm struggling with possible 219 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 2: right now? What does that feel like? 220 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 3: Yeah? I just see it all as an interesting twist 221 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 3: in the plot, you know, like I'm definitely on a 222 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: very interesting story. And it is crazy that that story 223 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 3: in my life story blew up like it did. I mean, 224 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: millions of people watched my story online and then that 225 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 3: turned into me presenting that talk all over the country 226 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: into tens of thousands of people live and so yeah, 227 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 3: now to be in a place where it feels like 228 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 3: nothing is possible has certainly been you know, a plot 229 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 3: twist for sure, But I just like being real and honest, 230 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: and you know, that's a season I'm in. And so 231 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: if people are like offended or bombed, like it's okay and. 232 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: Just just being real, well, I think some of the 233 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 2: beauty that I see in that is that I don't 234 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: know if you've ever felt this, but when I have 235 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: reached certain points of success in my life, I think, Okay, 236 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: I've made it. You know, we all have that mentality like, 237 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 2: oh I got there, I did it, and life has 238 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 2: just not worked out for me that way. Like it's 239 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 2: always that quirk screw analogy. I don't know if you've 240 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 2: heard it, like you go up, then you go back down, 241 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: and you go and we just do that, I think 242 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: our whole lives, but instead in our brains we think, Okay, 243 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: I hit this point and now it's only up from there. 244 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: So it's refreshing to me to hear someone say, Okay, 245 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: I was in this season and it was great and 246 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: everything was working and I was thriving and then now 247 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 2: I'm here, and then I know I'll go back up again. 248 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: But what have you learned about that journey of the 249 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: ups and downs? 250 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: It's funny, I was just talking. I was just telling 251 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 3: a really really weird retreat last week, and you assembite 252 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 3: a mysterious artists retreat where I was not told who's 253 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: going or what we're doing. I was just told to 254 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 3: show up. 255 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: Okay. 256 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 3: So I went down to yourssemity for week by myself 257 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 3: and ended up there with the one hundred and twenty artists 258 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 3: and filmmakers and it was fantast But one of the 259 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 3: people I was talking about with read me a poem 260 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 3: about waves and like there's always the peak and then 261 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: the truff is following, and then the peak and the truff, 262 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 3: and she's like, when you're in the truff, you just 263 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 3: have to know that there's another way right behind it, 264 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 3: you know, Like it just and that is really is 265 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 3: the perfect analogy for the creative life, you know, especially 266 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: if you're a freelancer, Like it just it's always, I mean, 267 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 3: it's always, yeah, wave after wave. So I'm just in 268 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 3: the trough and I can feel a new wave coming, 269 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 3: so I'm definitely excited about it in. 270 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: The post that I keep referencing, which I will put 271 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: in the description of this podcast for you guys. But 272 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: you say work is slow, walking is hard, art is hard, 273 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: life is hard. I'm struggling with a brain disease. Will 274 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 2: you tell us a little bit about that piece of 275 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: the struggle for you and what that looks like? 276 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 3: Sorry, my nose is it changes so much? 277 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: That's okay? 278 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. I was diagnosed six years ago with the brain 279 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 3: disease called Friedrich's ataxia. So it mainly affects my walking 280 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 3: balance pretty severely. I I mean, I can walk, but 281 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: it's I'm like drunk. I'm like drunk walking. It can 282 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 3: affect my speech eating right now, I can tell them 283 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 3: my words are a little bit slurry. Let's see. I 284 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 3: also have lime disease, but I don't really know what 285 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 3: the differences are between my lime symptoms. I'm at brain 286 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 3: disease symptoms. Yeah, the main thing is just my coordination. 287 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 3: Like all coordination and balance are just like gaul. Like, 288 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 3: I'm I was very, very athletic when I was younger, 289 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 3: played college volleyball and played high school basketball, and you know, 290 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 3: love sports, and so now to be as uncoordinated as 291 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 3: I am. Is just so freaking humbling. I've got for 292 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 3: children who are all athletes, and so I can't play 293 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 3: sports with them. That's the hardest burd as a dad 294 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 3: to not be able to engage with your kids athletically. 295 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 3: It's a major, major bummer. But outside of that, I mean, 296 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 3: I don't have any pain. I'm not like you know, 297 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 3: in bed all the time. It's just simply my walking 298 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 3: is really goofy. It did get better earlier this year, 299 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 3: like really bad, gained weight and I was just so unhealthy, 300 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 3: and so I decided to get my butt back in 301 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 3: the gym, and so I've been pretty addicted to the 302 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 3: gym since I don't know, pray June, and so now 303 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 3: I feel much much better. I'm actually very in shape. 304 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: It's weird my body is like doing this. You know, 305 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 3: my disease is getting worse, but my body is getting 306 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 3: so much stronger and fit, and so it's a weird, 307 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 3: weird contrast. 308 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 2: Well, I just loved that you listed all the things, 309 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 2: the creative, creative life after the pandemic, the struggle of 310 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: doing a bunch of different things, and you know, trying 311 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: to find your place in the creative world, and then 312 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 2: also grappling with I didn't know about the lime disease, 313 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: but lime disease, this brain disease, and yet your whole 314 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 2: entire post was about Okay. But so now here's all 315 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 2: the things going on with me, And what I know 316 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 2: to do in a time like this and I'm really 317 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 2: struggling is to go out and help other people. And 318 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 2: that's something that I've been taught too, is like, when 319 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: you're in your darkest spot, the only way out is 320 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: to get out of yourself and go do service for 321 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: someone else. So I want to talk a little bit 322 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 2: about If You Were Breathing, which is your new project 323 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: you're launching, and you said before we started recording that 324 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 2: you would give the listeners just an explanation of what 325 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 2: that even is. You haven't announced this yet, so can 326 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 2: you tell us a little bit about what If You 327 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: Are Breathing is? 328 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 3: Yes, pretty crazy idea, and I think people will start 329 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 3: to understand it once I get going, because this is 330 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 3: someone those things that's like an elevator pitch where I 331 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 3: can't explain it in two seconds, you know. But essentially, 332 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 3: what I'm gonna do is find individuals in extreme financial 333 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 3: need one at a time, and then I'll spend a 334 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 3: day within making art together to tell their story through 335 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 3: painting and drawing and photography and iPad stuff, and we 336 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 3: just sit and we make stuff together. And then at 337 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 3: the end of the day, I make augmented Reality Experience 338 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 3: AR experience based on what we made together, and then 339 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 3: I show them that and they freak out and they 340 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 3: they love it. And I mean even most of us 341 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 3: I haven't seen it. I mean it's really futuristic, especially too, 342 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 3: I've never seen it used to tell stories. I've only 343 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 3: seen it used as a very gimmicky here's like a 344 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 3: little butterfly dancing in the room that you can't see 345 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 3: with your naked eye, can only see it through the app. 346 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 3: So to use it to tell stories, I think it's 347 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 3: going to be a really phenomenal thing to do. I 348 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: can't wait to start getting out. So we build the 349 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 3: AR thing and that's like day one my experience with them. 350 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 3: What they don't know is that I'm coming back to 351 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 3: give them a hoodie, a hoodie or a T shirt, 352 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 3: and that hoodie, your T shirt is going to have 353 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 3: the art that we made on it, and so they're 354 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 3: going to be so excited that we that I've given 355 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 3: them their art on a hoodie. And then then I 356 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 3: showed them that through our iPhone app that the hoodie 357 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,239 Speaker 3: is AR enabled. So if you scan the hoodie, the 358 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 3: art literally comes to life off the chest, like yeah, 359 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 3: like literally in three D in physical space, the hoodie 360 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 3: comes like the art comes to life off the hoodie. 361 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 3: So then they forget about that, hopefully. But here where 362 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 3: it gets fun is that then I tell them that 363 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 3: the public can now go buy that hoodie or that 364 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 3: T shirt, and so then they freak out again because like, 365 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 3: oh my gosh. And then I tell them that one 366 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 3: hundred percent of the proceeds from that merch will go 367 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 3: to them. 368 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 2: Oh god. 369 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 3: So it's essentially like creating art business partners for the day, 370 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 3: and the and the the merch that we create together 371 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 3: is funding them. 372 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 2: Yeah wow, that is amazing. What made you want to 373 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: do something like that right now? 374 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 3: I don't know. It's it's like the only I just 375 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 3: always have weird ideas, and I only like the ideas 376 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 3: that are extremely extremely difficult, and this one is very layered, 377 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 3: very complex, very time consuming. But I love it like 378 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 3: I love it. It's literally it's like the only thing 379 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 3: that feels true. It's like everything I have a really 380 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 3: cool path right now to pursue my own art and career, 381 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 3: like I was just featured in the show last November 382 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 3: with Angel Adams and and Aalibowitz and the best photographers 383 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 3: that have ever ever loved and going on that path. 384 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 3: For some reason, it just feels empty and so at 385 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 3: least for the moment, So like, I'm going to go 386 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 3: chase this idea, just see what happens, because I really 387 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 3: think with their upcoming political cycle again and the war 388 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 3: is going on overseas and AI and all these weird 389 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 3: things happening, I just think we need more good news. 390 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 3: It's cloiche, is this out. It's like I think we 391 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 3: just need really really positive content. And so I don't know, 392 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 3: this is like every like from every angle I'll look 393 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 3: at this idea. I'm like, it's just it's right, it's 394 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 3: the right thing to do my heart, from our creativity 395 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 3: for a challenging to you know, just every angle, it's 396 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 3: it's what I want to do. Well. 397 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: I love the idea, specifically what you just said about 398 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 2: you have these opportunities to go chase streams that would 399 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: be beneficial to you, specifically you, and then this one. 400 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: It's beneficial to you obviously, it's fulfilling a lot of 401 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 2: things for you, but it's also beneficial to multiple other 402 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 2: people and fulfilling such a positive thing, bringing people money. 403 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 2: Also the art piece of it. But I think that 404 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 2: that's so much of what our culture is missing, as 405 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 2: we just think in this eye mentality constantly. And it's 406 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 2: like so refreshing to me to see someone who's struggling, 407 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 2: who's in a hard time looking outside of themselves to 408 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 2: help others too. I think that's such a beautiful thing. 409 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, well thanks so obviously not doing it for those 410 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: reasons that just I just have to do it and 411 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 3: we'll see, we'll see where it goes. I really just 412 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 3: hope that the public understands it and gets gets behind it, 413 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 3: gets right found it, and uh, is this gonna be 414 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 3: It's gonna be really really cool. 415 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 2: Well, I told you before the podcast, our theme of 416 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: this month is shedding. Is there something that comes to 417 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 2: your mind as something that you specifically are shedding in 418 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 2: this season of life? Is there a lot? 419 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a whole lot, whole lot, And it's really 420 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 3: weird that you had asked me that because yeah, this 421 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 3: has been a year of shedding for sure. Yeah, there's 422 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 3: a lot of unlearning beliefs, and yeah, but open to 423 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 3: not really annoying what what that looks like moving forward, 424 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 3: but being content in that. And so yeah, maybe thinking 425 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 3: of another way to answer that shedding of just like control, 426 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 3: I guess, because I really have no control right now 427 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: as to what's happening or what's next. And so yeah, 428 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 3: I feel like I'm being more free and more risky 429 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 3: than ever. Like this whole project that I just talked 430 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 3: about feels like that idea of jumping off the edge 431 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 3: of the cliff and assembling your parachute as you fall, 432 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 3: you know, like it's definitely what I'm doing right now. 433 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 2: Wells people want to help or get involved with the project? 434 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 2: Is there a way that you can get involved with 435 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:20,959 Speaker 2: if you're breathing? 436 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, just follow on all socials tell people about talk 437 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 3: about it. It's going to be worthy of talking about 438 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 3: because it'll be one beautiful story at a time. I 439 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 3: just worked with the kid last week who got hit 440 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 3: by a car, and so we're trying to tell his story. 441 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 3: And then a family of three, a mom, a baby, 442 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 3: and a grandmother who are just incredible and have been 443 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 3: hit over the head over and over and over again 444 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 3: through life, and they're trying to get back on their feet, 445 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 3: so I'm helping them. So yeah, the more people that 446 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 3: follow the accounts and share the stories, that's how this 447 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 3: idea is going to work. 448 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 2: And if people just want keep up with you, I'll 449 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 2: put first of all, let me say, I'll put if 450 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: your breathings all their tags in the description this podcast. 451 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 2: But if people just want to keep up with you 452 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 2: and your work or even book a shoot, where would 453 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 2: they find you? Yeah? 454 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 3: Just Instagram is probably the best place Rah use most consistently. 455 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 3: The link is in my bio. It's a book a 456 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 3: shoot all they could suck. 457 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: So amazing. Jeremy, thank you so much for being here. 458 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 2: It's so nice to finally meet you. I know I 459 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 2: love this project. I can't wait to see it. 460 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 3: Thank you. I should be posting first for DOWS in 461 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 3: the next coming days, so it'll be good. 462 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: Amazing, awesome. Will you guys go check it out again. 463 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 2: I'll put all of that info with Jeremy in the 464 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 2: description of this podcast. 465 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 3: Thanks again, Yeah, thank you. 466 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Velvet's Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson, 467 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: where we believe everyone has a little velvet in a 468 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: little edge. Subscribe for more conversations on life, style, beauty 469 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: and relationships. Search Velvet's Edge wherever you get your podcasts.