1 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to Real Time Crime. I'm 2 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: one of your hosts, Leo Lamar and I've got with 3 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: me today Teddy melanchiamp Hi guys, and welcome Dmitri. We 4 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: can't forget about sometimes Dmitri. Sometime to forget sometimes about Dmitri. 5 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: Sorry you're flattering me, but I'm regardless, regardless of what. 6 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: Right now I'm here, So all right, well, here he is. 7 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: And today we're gonna be talking about an update with 8 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: the Gabby Potito case or Robert Durst update, and then 9 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: we've got some surprises for you from the Internet. Of course. 10 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: We've got a Snapchat mom on the loose, and we're 11 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,959 Speaker 1: also going to be talking a little bit about Hollywood, candy, 12 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: danger Hollywood. I've got Hollyween Halloween. I'm still learning how 13 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: to read which I even did an Instagram poll and 14 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: not to do a will brag here. I have over 15 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: a million followers and so I need to know if 16 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: it's a myth or not. And I've been getting a 17 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: lot of responses, so we want to hear from you 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: guys on that as well. Well, what what what do 19 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: you think? Well, I have to I started feeling bad 20 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: when I got the right up about the podcast, and 21 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't check my kids candy every 22 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: time before, but the rule at our houses that you 23 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: can't have the candy unless it's in like a package bag, 24 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: like it came from the store. Like you can't have 25 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: any like home cooked things unless it's from somebody we now, 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: and some people will make their own little candy bags 27 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: and give out with like individual candies. Yeah, those people 28 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: are murderers right well, It's like I would like to 29 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: know that you are so busy you don't have time 30 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: to make little separate trick or treat bags with homemade goods. 31 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: Just go to the store like everyone else. What about 32 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: the people that pass out toothpaste? Remember love when you're younger. Oh, 33 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: there was like the little all travel toothpaste with like 34 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: the toothbrush, and I would get it and I'd be 35 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: like kick rocks people. Nobody wants to be talking about 36 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: brushing their teeth right now. That's so passive aggressive. I 37 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: do better, do better. It's like those people that also 38 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: give out milky ways, no thanks, what's wrong with the 39 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: milky way? Why are you throwing shade on milky way? 40 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: Teddy silky ways? Dark chocolate. Absolutely not give me all 41 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: the hot to Molly's in the world, and I'm your 42 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: girl hot to Molly's. What planet do you live on? 43 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is a delicious eminem girl myself. 44 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: I just want to also let everyone know we're not 45 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: sponsored by any of these people. Yeah, no, no Candy 46 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: Place is sponsoring any of us. But either way, we'll 47 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: get into that later in the episode because we have 48 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: a super exciting guest, which I'm gonna have Leah do 49 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: the full introduction because she does it in her real 50 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: time crime voice. Oh my god, thank you. So I 51 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: have a real time crime voice, you do it sounds 52 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: differently at lunch. Oh that's hilarious. Um, I will let 53 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: you know. Teddy and I did meet for lunch this 54 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: week and I was only what minutes late? She was 55 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: twenty four and a half minutes late. But I do 56 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: need to say that, like I had already ordered some 57 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: mice tease, I had maybe was having a Friday afternoon 58 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: glass of wine, and the waiter was like not super 59 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: friendly with me. He was just like, hey, you know, 60 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: like we're fine. Like we were, we were just coexisting, 61 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: we were doing our thing. I was being stood up 62 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 1: by my co host for twenty four and a a half minutes. 63 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: But when Leah came in, his whole face like lit up. 64 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: They start like chatting, laughing. She's laughing so loud the 65 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: whole restaurant here. I'm like, what these two are vibing 66 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: right now? And I'm just sitting here. I'm like, should 67 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: I excuse myself? That's what lunch Redlee is like, guys, 68 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: just he was curious. I think he was just into 69 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: Jewish women, which I clearly am, so he would like, 70 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: look at me. He's like a hell no, He's like 71 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: that woman looks like she has four kids, she's tired, 72 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: her rosations flaring, all the things. She looks like she's 73 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: obsessed with true crime. Yes I am. Perhaps the sprinkle 74 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: of being high maintenance is what he sensed from me. 75 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for the free stuff. I don't want toothpaste, I 76 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: don't want milky ways. It sounds a little like it's 77 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: got to be your way or the highway. I didn't 78 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: know we're fighting today, Tomitri, Like I would have worn 79 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: a different color if I was going to be more aggressive, 80 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: not breezy pink. I'm just pointing out something that could 81 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: have been Uh, you know this is what we did. 82 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: We pick out little things from the scene of the crime, 83 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: and that's what it could have been. I want to 84 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: ask I need to ask you a question, Tomitri. If 85 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: your kids picked up some toothbrush and toothpaste from the 86 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: Halloween candy in their bag, do you think they'd be 87 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: excited about it? No, you had me with that. It's 88 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: when you went. Okay. So between guys are we have 89 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: a lot of kids, but our expert is in the 90 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: waiting room, so you need to announce earlier. We gotta okay, 91 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: But I just want to say, between the three of us, 92 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: there are eight children and I have zero. Well you 93 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: kind of still are one, all right. I am so 94 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: excited today for our extremely special guests. We have a 95 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: board certified forensic pathologists who we've seen all over the 96 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: news discussing the Brian Laundry, Gabby Potito case. It's Dr 97 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: Pria Banergy. She is a Board certified expert forensic pathologist. 98 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: She offers legal consulting, private autopsy, media appearances, and educational services. 99 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: She's trained at all the top medical institutions and she 100 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: has over eleven years of practice, including performance of over 101 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: d autopsies with a hundred and fifty three homicide cases. 102 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: So I'm extremely excited for us to chat with their 103 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: today and finally get to the bottom of some of 104 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: the questions that we all have about the Brian Laundry 105 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: Gabby Potito case. Here with us today, Pria Banergy, Dr Pria? 106 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: Are you with us? I am? How are you hi? 107 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: Such an honor that you're here with us today. Thank 108 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: you so much. Yes, I'm glad this worked out us too. 109 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,679 Speaker 1: So we would like to just start with a couple 110 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: of basic questions for all our listeners who might not 111 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: really understand fully what you do. What is a forensic 112 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: pathologist and how does your job differ from other forensic fields. Okay, 113 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: that's that's a really great question. Actually, so a friends pathologist, 114 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: first of all, is a doctor. So I went to 115 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: medical school and then I consider myself a pathologist. So 116 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: then I studied to be a pathologist. And for those 117 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: who don't know what that term means, um like, if 118 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: anybody ever has a biopsy of paps mere prostate biopsy, 119 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: you know, anything where there's like you don't know what 120 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: it is, and the doctor takes a sample of it 121 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: and we look at it under the microscope. Um, that's 122 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: what I would say a general pathologist does. So I 123 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: had to learn to be that kind of pathologist. And 124 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: the other flip side of it that people really don't 125 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: think of is when you get your blood drawn in 126 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: the laboratory and all those sort of you know, chemical 127 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: biochemical tests that happen d n A, you know, all 128 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: sorts of things. Those are also in the hospital setting 129 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: or like quest labs something like that is also under 130 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: the purview of pathologists. So it's pretty broad. They're often 131 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: said to be the doctor's doctor. You know, we're sort 132 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: of the brains behind the operation. You may not interact 133 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: with us, um, you know, individually like you do your 134 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: regular doctor. Now within that huge spectrum, there's a tiny 135 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: little niche called forensic pathology. And so this is the 136 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: actual application of the medical field to the legal field, 137 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: if you will. So we figure out why people die 138 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: from whatever cause that maybe, and so we're bringing that 139 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: understanding of human disease, trauma, UM, toxins, everything too, understanding 140 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: death UM sudden unexpected deaths in people. And how did 141 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: you get called into the Gabby Petito case? Oh? Um, 142 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: just I guess someone sound me um online to comment 143 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: I mean I've done other sort of commentary, um, when 144 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: there was a need to the public. So one of 145 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: the big cases I covered for media was the Derek 146 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: Schoubin Um George Floyd trial. Um, I've done stuff for 147 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: Inside Edition. You know, we're very small niche like there's 148 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: less than five dronts of pathologists in the country. Wow. 149 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: And so right when you think about that, my graduating 150 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: high school class with six d people and so even 151 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: in that setting, maybe less better. UM comfortable with the media, 152 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: want to do it whatever it may be. It's one 153 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: of my soapbox passions. I like to teach about. I 154 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: like to teach each and then um, I like to 155 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: explain like why we're such a small field and why 156 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: it's important. So they just yeah, you know, found me, 157 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: and then one thing leads to another. So it's like 158 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: Derek Chovin, I was on like media a lot, and 159 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: then when they want to sort of know another pathologists 160 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: to come and it was just you know, this case, 161 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: for whatever reasons, you know, went to the forefront of 162 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: the media. And I think for whatever reason, because it's 163 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: not I mean sadly, I think it's come to light 164 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: that other people have gone missing in the same area, 165 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: the same you know, women girls have gone missing, and 166 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: sadly they didn't receive the same coverage. So I'm not 167 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: sure what propelled this to the forefront, but they called me, well, 168 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: you just said that this is we're it's brought to 169 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: light that this isn't the first time that's something like 170 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: this has happened. Um, have you worked on any cases 171 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: similar to it? Um? You know, sadly, domestic violence isn't uncommon, 172 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:05,599 Speaker 1: and so death that I see, um, you know, oftentimes 173 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to stereotype, but I would say predominantly 174 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: men on women. But I have also seen saying sex uh, 175 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, relationships that have gone awry and lead to 176 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: one person dying out of violence. So you know, to me, 177 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: it's just really sad. You know, I think some of 178 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: the um crime related death we see can be distinct 179 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: in people's minds, like it may be gangs or drugs 180 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: or something that doesn't seem as close to people on 181 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: a daily basis, if you know, if you're not in 182 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: that lifestyle. Um, But domestic violence is pretty pervasive, you know, 183 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: and I do see that a lot, sadly, so you 184 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: think for sure by now they have how I mean, 185 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: I know, we know how Gabby was murdered, but when 186 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: do you think they will actually say if it was Brian. 187 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: Now that I think is very challenging because he was 188 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: always just um pointed to as a person of interest. 189 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: My understanding is he was never formally charged, you know, 190 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: and I guess the hope was that he would be 191 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: found alive. And then question Now my thing is, you know, 192 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm you know, the question that you brought 193 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: up is great because you know, forensics is a broad 194 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: field and I'm one slice of that. You know, I'm 195 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: the medical doctor, but I would rely on other forensic 196 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: analysts who would do like DNA analysis, and especially I'm 197 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: very curious about that diary that's present, and so the FBI, 198 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: my understanding is they have it in their possession and 199 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: they're going to use their advanced techniques to see if 200 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: it's salvageable and we can learn anything um from that. 201 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: So I have a couple of questions. We're trying to 202 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: identify whether or not there was any DNA left on 203 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: Gabby's body, right on anything under her fingernails or I 204 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: suppose around her neck. But if the body is so decomposed. 205 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: How would they find that? And that that I think 206 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: is the money, you know, I think when you you know. 207 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm not as clear as to the condition of her remains. 208 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: You know, when they described Brian's remains, they did say 209 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: part of skeletonized remains. I'm not clear on any particular description. 210 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: I know, I assume decomposition had taken place just because 211 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: of the time, but I don't know if she was 212 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: completely skeletonized, partially skeletonized with some tissues remaining. You know, 213 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: you can understand that DNA is very fragile, you know, 214 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: even though it's so informative, it degrades very quickly. So 215 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: I do worry that although we're sort of waiting with 216 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: bated breath for DNA, I don't know that it will 217 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: be able to be collected, you know. And you know, 218 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: whatever sample they can collect, you don't want to degrade it, right, 219 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: You want it to be I mean, the the fine 220 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: enzymes and the proces us to amplify it. If you 221 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: put bad stuff in, it's not gonna make it all 222 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: put back together nice and then spit out a nice 223 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: DNA result if you follow you know, And so I 224 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: don't know about those nuances. If I had that case, 225 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: you know, I would just follow my a cast a 226 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: wide net, is what I say. So I would take 227 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: fingernail clippings if they were available, Um, I would swab 228 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: the neck, you know, or whatever tissues were there, and 229 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: then hopefully the call my colleagues if there's anything to find, 230 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: could extract it and find it. And timing wise, if 231 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: they were to be able to find it, would they 232 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: have already found it by now? Like how long does 233 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: it take to run those DNA tests? I can't say 234 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: for sure because I don't run them myself. I collect 235 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: the evidence, but I would think as high profile a 236 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: case as this is, and then secondarily the FBI are involved, 237 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 1: they have you know, they're the master's right there, the 238 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: gold standard for running forensic tests, So I would think 239 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: by now they would have a lead on it if possible. 240 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: Ye in your expert opinion, talking about decomposition, how long 241 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: does it take to get to skeletal remains? I think 242 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: a lot of us were flabbergasted to find out that 243 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry was already skeletal remains when it had over 244 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: been aroute five weeks that he was in the room 245 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: in the reservoir um and and that's fair. Yeah, I mean, 246 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: so decomposition as soon as someone dies. We have enzymes 247 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: and bacteria in our body. So when we're thinking about 248 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: like just the cellular level, not looking at the outside, 249 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: you want to appreciate it, but you can think as 250 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: soon as someone dies, oxygen is not getting to the 251 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: body and it's going to start decomposing. Okay, it's like 252 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: the microscopic level. But usually even when I autopsy someone 253 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: in a few days after death, that they'll be okay, 254 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: you know, they'll still look like themselves. It's once you 255 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: get you know, weeks out, that you really start, maybe 256 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: a week or more, you start losing the real like 257 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: integrity of the body. Now, the bigger thing here is 258 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: this is not someone who's dead in a nice controlled 259 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: environment like I pointed my office. You know, sevendy degrees 260 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: normal humidity, not in the elements. He was in a swamp. 261 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: Um it's very humid. I mean, I'm in New England 262 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: where it's fault right, leaves are changing color, but in 263 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: Florida it's still hot and humid and lots of bugs, 264 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: lots of creatures, I mean. And they were saying that 265 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: this entire area had been water logged, like very deep 266 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: where they couldn't even access it, and only with the 267 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: water receding could they go forward. And even still they 268 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: were describing it as a chest high I think some 269 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: of those searchers had said, so, I mean, it's still 270 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: very significant depth of water. And think about who lives there. 271 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: There's anything for fish to crabs too, snakes and alligators. 272 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: So all of these extremes, temperatures, wetness, animals are all 273 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: affecting the changes in the decomposition, changes in the body. 274 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: So it's not even just like the normal that you 275 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: would expect, you know, inside a room, like if you 276 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: died inside your house. This is now like a harsh environment. 277 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: So all those elements you think finding just skeletal remains 278 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: would make sense, yes, correct, I do think so. And 279 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: how quickly do you think it would turn into just 280 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: skeletal remains under those conditions? I think within a few weeks. 281 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: I don't even think full five weeks. And what evidence 282 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: can be found from skeletal and dental remains? So right, 283 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: So I looked at this case sort of with two 284 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: issues at here. One is the identification, which is what 285 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: you're pointing to with the dental records and um, even 286 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: though they describe partial remains, we know they use dental 287 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: to ide him, so teeth must have been present, you know. Um. 288 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: And that's really what the teeth can help you with. 289 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: I mean, when we look at our teeth, we think, oh, 290 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: they're just we all have a normal set of teeth. 291 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: But when you look at it on actually there, it's 292 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: almost like a fingerprint for people. You know, we can 293 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: really tell there's bony structures, there's if you had a 294 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 1: cavity feeling. I mean, there's so many things you can 295 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: tell um on dental X rays. And you know, even 296 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: my young child, would you go to the dentist has 297 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: X rays? So we usually everybody has a set to 298 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: compare to. UM. That's how I would look at the 299 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: dental records. And then the bony skeleton is the big question. 300 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: So why I say that is, first of all, we 301 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: know the whole thing's not there, right, It's just they 302 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: did describe it as partial. Now that doesn't tell me 303 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: like is it eight percent complete, seventy complete complete? It 304 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: doesn't tell me that. I mean, they just use that adjective, right, UM, 305 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: And I know what the general public knows, Um, I'm 306 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: not given any inside information, but you can look at 307 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: the bones and then see, you know, we X ray 308 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: them to make sure there's no like metal objects like 309 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: gunshot or you know, anything like that, and fractors. But 310 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: then we look at the bones themselves and see if 311 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: there's like grooves, you know, if someone is stabbed and 312 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: the knife like cuts into the bone. Um, if someone 313 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: falls from my height, maybe there's a fract you know, 314 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: those kinds of things. Other than that, it can be 315 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: very little. And is there any chance that somebody could 316 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: leave a percentage of their bones and teeth behind as 317 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: like a ploy to to put people off the case, 318 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: to like like could he be living still with what's 319 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: missing being gone? How many teeth did we find? Is 320 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: the question. I think. I think that there are a 321 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: lot of people who feel very unresolved about this case, 322 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: and that a lot of coincidences make people feel very 323 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: unsatisfied with how the entire investigation has been conducted and 324 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: how they found Brian. And I think I watched an 325 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: interview UM that you had Dr b Energy where you 326 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: were explaining that there were a couple of odd things 327 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: about the way that his remains were found as well, right, 328 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: I mean just to me, I mean I do when 329 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: when there's any um peculiar, unexplained death, any suspicious death, 330 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: I do respond to the crime scene. If I'm the 331 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: doctor one call, you know, that's part and parcel of 332 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: my job. So I I see the world differently. You know, 333 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: some things people might look as suspicious and I say, oh, 334 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: that's clearly an accident or clearly a suicide. I'm not 335 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: as concerned. And the flip side of that, someone may 336 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: discount something and I go and say, oh, that's very odd, 337 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: you know. To me, I've to say I wasn't personally 338 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: involved in the search, but from going and going to 339 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: many many crime scenes, the thing that bothers me about 340 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: it is that why are his parents there period? Like 341 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, I understand that access to this point where 342 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: this area was you know, secured and unsecured and then 343 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: back to being secured. But even still, it's just so 344 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: strange a that they were like parallel working with police, right, 345 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: Like they found the minor scenes, they found these sort 346 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: of evidence on the side and the opposite side is 347 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: where the body is. How did they know it was 348 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: exactly there? Because again there have been mind stain was 349 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: drones and people searching all sorts of um, different approaches 350 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 1: to trying to find him over the weeks, right, and 351 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: then they find himself. And as the parents who find 352 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: that stuff, you know, Um, I just found that odd, um. 353 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: But more so I just think in general, bottom trying 354 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: to get at is usually anybody personally attached to the 355 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: case who is not a professional, right, who's not police, 356 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: who's not a doctor, who's not the medical examin or, 357 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: who's not even search and rescue personnel. Anybody who may 358 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: be associated with a true recovery shouldn't be there, you know, 359 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: And why are they that? To me? Is this the 360 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: weirdest thing? Um? That seems like a deviation from protocol. Well. 361 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: I also heard an interview where somebody was saying, if 362 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,239 Speaker 1: if Brian's parents knew that something bad happened and they 363 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: chose to remain silent, that isn't considered a crime. However, 364 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: if they knew that he committed a crime and they 365 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: helped him get away, m hm, then that and they 366 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: destroyed any heavens, that is a crime. But it's such 367 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: a thin lot like knowing something bad happened. To me, 368 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: there's not a huge difference. Yeah, you know. I mean, 369 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: I'm a parent down girl, and I can't ever imagine 370 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: if someone did something to her, how I wouldn't hold 371 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: the other person guilty, you know what I mean? Like 372 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: if I was in Gabby Potito's parents shoes. I think 373 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: it's hard to separate the legalities like you just described, 374 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: from your true feelings that, do you know what I mean? 375 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: Like staying silent is like denial. I don't know, denial 376 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: versus how is that still not help? I don't know. 377 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: I guess there's an active versus passive component to what 378 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: you just described. And this is where I'm not a lawyer, 379 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: so it really goes beyond my expertise. But that's how 380 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: I interpreted what you just said that I guess if 381 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: they knew that something happened and they didn't say anything, 382 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: then that's not a crime. But if they talked to 383 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: him and then said, hey, we're going to help you, 384 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: help even escape. You know, the last thing I had 385 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: seen written about it was on September they talked to him, um, 386 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: and that's quite a few days after she had gotten missing, 387 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: if not already discovered. So it's weird to me that, 388 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not police and or you know, the 389 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: district attorney down there, I don't know what it is. 390 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: Their involvement overall has seen more than normal to me, 391 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: Can I ask? Can I ask you? Yes? I know 392 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: you're not directly involved with this, but based on what 393 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,719 Speaker 1: you just said and kind of what Lea brought up, 394 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: if you and we won't hold you to this, but 395 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: if you were to give a percentage to the people 396 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: that want to think that that there was some sort 397 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: of really odd circumstances the way this was found, could 398 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: he still be level? What would be the percentage that 399 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: you would say that something is off here and that 400 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: that it could be the situation where that was planted 401 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: and that's not really him, or something to that effect. 402 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: You know. I try to base my judgments on the data, 403 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: not the assumptions or the oddities, if you will, And 404 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, I can't say that every investigation I've ever 405 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,959 Speaker 1: dealt with is done perfectly. I mean, not only is it. 406 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: I don't just do crime scenes myself. I review a 407 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: lot of legal cases for lawyers and courts and military 408 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: all sorts as an expert witness, you know, and so 409 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: investigations vary a lot. Some bigger cities are very well 410 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: trained because there doing it so much versus smaller areas 411 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: may not have that same skill level. But what I 412 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: do know is my colleagues would not have identified that 413 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: body by dental if it wasn't him, you know, because 414 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 1: I said, the dental is a fingerprint, you know, it's 415 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: you can't mistake someone's teeth. And it's not just the 416 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: teeth we look at. We look at all the fine 417 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: bony structure of the job and I'm pointing to my chin. 418 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: I mean there's we look at the sinuses. I mean, 419 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: there's so much going on here. When you take an 420 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: X ray, people don't sort of realize it um and 421 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: so just that in and of itself, I mean, like fingerprints, 422 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: we have to have multiple points that match when you 423 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: do dental records, so it really is a fingerprint of 424 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: the mouth that's unique to every individual. So to me, 425 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: that's him. I mean why they were the parents were 426 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: allowed to go out there, and how they knew that 427 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: crail or those items were his that scene that that's 428 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: just sort of the oddity in this case. But dead, 429 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: that's him. So do they just look at X rays 430 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: of the teeth or do they drill into the tooth 431 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: for more information or is there is there anything inside 432 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: the tooth, any sort of like DNA or anything like that. Um. 433 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: So that's a great question and that that is a 434 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: great point. So when doing dental comparison, I'm frequently involved 435 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: in this with my friends dentist colleagues, like, um, if 436 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: the body is not completely skeletonized, you might need to 437 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: take away some of the tissues. We usually brush the 438 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: teeth to clean it up and then get the best 439 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: X rays possible of all around, you know, not just 440 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: the front but literally like every two that you know, 441 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: some people have even if you're younger, have interrupted moehlers 442 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: and you know, wisdom teeth and all that. So we 443 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: take that that those X rays and compare at that point, 444 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: you just look at X ray to X ray. Now, 445 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: if let's say there wasn't any good bone or like 446 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: a single tooth is found. Um. I know my colleagues 447 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: are in the military. Sometimes they just get like a 448 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: tooth back from a they have to say, is the 449 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: soldier John or soldier David. You know, they can drill 450 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: into the tooth and extract DNA, you know, so they 451 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: can say that this tooth belongs to the right person. 452 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't believe that they've had to 453 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: go that far in this case. I think the dential 454 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 1: was purely what we call morphological meaning appearance wise, you know, 455 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: the exact pattern that we're looking to match. I don't 456 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: know that they've done DNA from the tooth, but I'm 457 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: not really privy to that. So we think there were 458 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: enough teeth that they didn't have to drill. That's right. 459 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: I mean, if they're saying that they use dental records, 460 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: that means there's enough points. You know, just like on 461 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: a fingerprint. You know, you have looked for tech or 462 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: twelve or fourteen points type things that that match between 463 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: the two, you know, the known print and the unknown print. 464 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: Same thing. It's the known X ray versus the unknown 465 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: you know, the presumed deced it and then once you 466 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: make the matching, can make the I D and just know. 467 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: Although this is a maybe a newer thought process to 468 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: the public, dental identification is done very commonly and actually 469 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: through the military. It's where it first really made its headway. 470 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: Meaning like you know, when victims of war come back 471 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: bless you um they um. You know, when there's multiple 472 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: bodies that are deceased. You know, dental is a very 473 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: reliable way to identify soldiers, and if you think about 474 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: our our military, it could be you know, young healthy men, right, 475 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: how do you tell them apart especially if they're injured 476 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: and they're they're not recognizable that this is a very 477 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: reliable way to do so. So I feel like there 478 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: are a lot of murderers listening to this who now 479 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: will never no longer go to the dentist. You know, 480 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: there's ways to even identify people, believe it or not, 481 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: Even if you have no teeth, you can still do 482 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: like the bone structure, the sinus structure. I'm pointing to 483 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: my cheeks. You know, when you get a cold and 484 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: it hurts in your cheeks, it's because your sinuses are full. 485 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: There's even like, even though our faces will generally the same, 486 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: right we have an oval around face or whatnot, like 487 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: there may be small waves of bone that are different appearing. 488 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: And I know we we have to ask one last 489 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: question because then I know we have to to let 490 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: you go. But do you think there's any chance for 491 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: the theory that he was eaten by an alligator and 492 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: his dental his teeth would be left and part of 493 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: his skeleton remains would still be there. Oh, I don't 494 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: know if I've heard that theory. I mean, I'm no 495 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: expert on alligators. Um and thank god for that. Well, 496 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: it's it's all over the internet. And last week we 497 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: were talking about We're like, if somebody was eating by 498 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: an allegant or would they spit out the bones? No? Right, 499 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: I mean we don't know. Well, I saw Captain Hook 500 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: actually curies to the to the skull or the mean 501 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: that eaten by a shark or you know, anything like 502 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: that is going to chomp on your and crush the bone. 503 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: So I don't know, maybe maybe you know, I don't 504 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: know exactly, but um, crazy, So do you think that 505 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: we'll ever be able to identify a cause of death 506 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: for Brian Laundry? I heard rumors that there was a 507 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: skull with a gun shot through it. You know, it 508 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: seems that there's not any conclusive evidence yet and we 509 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: are just worried that they're going to cremate him before 510 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: there's an answer. So two things. One is like, I 511 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: would never release remains to a family until I was 512 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: completely done with it. Okay, So um, and I say 513 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: that even if it remains, I mean, and if Skiletal 514 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: remains you're you're my examination is still considered an autopsy, 515 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: you know, even though I'm not cutting into organs, that's 516 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: still my job to try to figure out or my 517 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: colleague job in this case, to figure out that, you know, 518 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: what the cause of death is and they're going to 519 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: sign a death certificate for him. He has been identified. UM. 520 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: My concern is that if the body is incomplete and 521 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: remains so even with the exhaustive searching, then you know, 522 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: could we have an undetermined cause? Yes, you know, um 523 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: be limited by the condition of the body. Yes, but 524 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: I don't feel like the family is going to be 525 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: able to cremate him until the emmy says okay, I 526 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: can do no further analysis. So could it be undetermined, yes, 527 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: but they're not going to be able to preemptively cremate 528 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: him to hide things. Yeah, that is great news. But 529 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: thank you so for joining us today, which fan because 530 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: you're a oh yes, I love the paloton. Do we 531 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: do we ever? High five? You know what? Now I 532 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: can say I'm friends with a forensic pathologist. There's only 533 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: five in the is it the world's United States? I 534 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: don't know. It's not that other way. Just there's only 535 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: five of them. I'll leave it, leave it vague. Yeah, 536 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: doctor Energy, you're in the one percent of the one percent. 537 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: It's it's getting incredible, and we're grateful that you took 538 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: time to talk with us today. Next time we're high 539 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: fiving for sure. I love it. Yeah, yeah, thanks so 540 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: much Energy, Thank you. We we didn't even get to 541 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: talk about my monocle. It hasn't arrived yet and I'm devastated. 542 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: I ordered it on Amazon. This feels like a big 543 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: loss to the monocle community, and I just thought i'd 544 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: have it by the time we were interviewing doctor um Energy, 545 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: and it just feels like she couldn't take me seriously 546 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: out my monocle. I feel like it really would have, 547 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, kept things light if you had it on, 548 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: so hopefully flavor it would have. It would have added 549 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: some flavor. I heard when she signed off, she said, 550 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: I was under the understanding that that one girl is 551 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: gonna have a monocle, and she said she do you 552 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: know how I know doctor Bannergy is good at her 553 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: job because I purposely muted to sneeze and she caught 554 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: me and said, bless you. She knew you were sneezing. 555 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: She was watching an investigator she is, I think she's 556 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: there's a camera in my apartment, so she's somehow snuck 557 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: into my house and left camera. She lives here. I 558 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: don't know a Bana just there's just so many unanswered questions. 559 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: But there's so many people that are involved, and now 560 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,959 Speaker 1: there's so many cooks in the kitchen, Like you just 561 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: want to know everything, And I feel like the more 562 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: information we get, the less information we get. What she 563 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: did for us conspiracy theorists is say, get used to 564 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: the fact that that's really him, and if we want 565 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: to keep figuring this stuff out, figure out how they 566 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: got him from the flower bed into the swamp, because 567 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,719 Speaker 1: something is still off to me. But she said, she 568 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: said that we should just assume that that he's dead. 569 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: We can't think he's on the run and left his 570 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: teeth behind. Like we had to start facing the facts. Yeah, 571 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: we have to admit the fact that his jaw wasn't 572 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: sewed out of his mouth and left as evidence. This 573 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: isn't actually a Halloween movie. This is real life. This 574 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: is real life, and he probably wasn't eaten by a gator. 575 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: But I mean, have you seen the memes that are 576 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: like Brian Laundry didn't kill himself with an alligator? Yeah, 577 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: or the the one that's like Brian Laundry is like 578 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: casket and then next to him as another guy and 579 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: it says Brian. Okay, guys, I know we shouldn't laugh. 580 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a little break when we come back. 581 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk little Robert Durst, a little snapchat mom. 582 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: What you guys know. I am all over this and 583 00:33:54,560 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: a little bit of Halloween candy danger m Hey everyone, 584 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: and welcome back to Real Time Crime. We have so 585 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 1: many more questions than we do have answers, and so 586 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: I think we'll just wrap with a few Gabby Petito questions, 587 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: if that's cool with you guys. And about you guys, 588 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: I just mean Teddy because no one's talking to you. Dmitri, 589 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: why I didn't answer, Thank you, thank you for your silence. 590 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: I just I'm just so overwhelmed by the idea that 591 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: we don't know what's in Brian's diary. Also, I just 592 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: want to say thank you to everyone calling it his 593 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: diary and not his journal. I think it just makes 594 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: it more personal. Yeah, I just wanted to thank everyone 595 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: who decided that. Um, I just I'm so confused. If 596 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 1: it was underwater, how can we still decipher what's been 597 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: written there? Was it in a dry back or did 598 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: find it in a dryback? It's I'm uncomfortable. I know 599 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: I'm uncomfortable too. Maybe by next week we'll have more 600 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: information or less information, or we'll have less less information. 601 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: But can we like talk a little bit about snapchat mom. 602 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: I just wanna have one last sentence about Brian laundry 603 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 1: because apparently someone found his water bottle in the reserve. 604 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: And did you see that video that is next to 605 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: more remains? And they're like it's nothing, yeah, but it 606 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: the girl's voice, it sounded like she was acting like 607 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: she panned to something. She's like, oh, water bottle before 608 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: she even like bent down or looked or did any 609 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: of those things. Like all right, we'll dismiss it. Let's 610 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: move on to snapchat mom. Fine, okay, guys, if you 611 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: haven't gone down this rabbit hole, it is so beyond 612 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: this law skato part. Everybody thought she was a party mom, 613 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: which I kept realizing a lot of the parents kept 614 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: saying that they thought she was a party mom. She 615 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: was learning kids over to her house through Snapchat to 616 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: for drunken parties, Tahoe trips, all these kinds of things, 617 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: and she was going under the pseudonym none. The parents 618 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: ended up finding out that she was learning these kids over, 619 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: having these drunken parties, allegedly watching them perform sexual acts 620 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:31,399 Speaker 1: on others why they were intoxicated. She's now in custody. 621 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: And the part that really I mean, I know we're 622 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 1: gonna have to dig more into this next week because 623 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: this was just starting. But the part that really gets 624 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: to me is they're saying the husband had no idea. 625 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 1: So I think the pseudonym none is how much sex 626 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: her and her husband have had in the last ten years, 627 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: um allegedly I'm learning. I just I just think that 628 00:36:54,920 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: there's something so disturbed about the fact that I don't 629 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: know if we're all seeing a through line between the 630 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry family and the Snapchat mom, but all these 631 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,399 Speaker 1: people have no idea quote unquote what's going on with 632 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 1: their significant other or their son. I don't buy it. 633 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: I don't buy how could you not know? And how 634 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 1: do you feel if you're her son? So she had 635 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: a fourth she has a fourteen year old son who 636 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: was involved in these parties, and his mom was reaching 637 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,240 Speaker 1: out to all the friends. They even ended up moving 638 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: to Idaho because allegedly there's another girl there they were 639 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: reaching after. But like, imagine what you're feeling like as 640 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 1: the son of this mom, not only as it's happening, 641 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: but as it's coming out, Like the depths of the message. 642 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: I mean, she was like messaging in the middle of 643 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: the night, come to my house. I'll get your favorite beers, 644 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: I'll get you drinks. I'll buy these things, sending gifts 645 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: like yeah, if you're buying me Tiffany's jewelry, inviting me 646 00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: to Tahoe, you're my husband. I I just don't know 647 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: that you and Shannon are gonna end up together in 648 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: the end. Though. I just find it so odd that 649 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: a multimillion dollar house could so easily turn into a 650 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: white van outside of a school. Apparently it can, but 651 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: even worse because more people fit. This is the problem. 652 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: And I'm She's like, I'm a cool mom. It's like, no, 653 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: you're not. You're disturbed mom. This is so disturbing the 654 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: fact that she would lure children to a house to 655 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: have underage sex parties essentially orgies, and I was reading 656 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: that some of its non consensual. I mean, it's all 657 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: these kids were getting so drunk, they were vomiting. What 658 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: kind of person creates a sort of environment, I mean, 659 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: somebody that is sick. But also, how do how do 660 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: you do that to your son? How do you not 661 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,320 Speaker 1: not set aside all of the other kids that she's damaging, 662 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: but even her own son, her own family. Like I 663 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: I really think that we as a community all need 664 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: to talk about the even the phrase cool mom, because 665 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: I remember when I was younger, there was a couple 666 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: of houses that like you'd go to if you wanted 667 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: to drink, and it was like, as long as you 668 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: don't drive, it's bull drink here, you know, blah blah blah. 669 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: But which at some part you can understand what's better 670 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: than where I would go and get wasted in the 671 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: field by myself, you know, like with my friends and 672 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: then have to figure out how to get home from 673 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: the field. It's just so sick, it's so wrong, which 674 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 1: I know we can't even talk about any longer, which 675 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: is why we should talk about Robert Durst. It just 676 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: sounds like a Satanic frat house. It's it's it's disturbing. 677 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: I know, well, what about how Robert Durst is still hospitalized? Correct, 678 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry this man, I'm sorry he COVID cannot take 679 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: this man. He has survived through so many I'm over. 680 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: I I just had this theory that people who are 681 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 1: like the cockroaches of the earth never die, and it 682 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: will be no justice for him to just in my opinion, 683 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: it's almost like COVID is the easy way out for 684 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: this guy, so he doesn't have to be in jail 685 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 1: for the rest of his life without parole. It's it's 686 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: bizarre to me. It's bizarre. Well, he doesn't look good. 687 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: He didn't look good, So the chances are that this 688 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 1: COVID isn't hitting him. I don't think. I could be wrong, 689 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 1: but I don't think this COVID thing is like a 690 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: rust like I think he's I don't think so. I 691 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: think it's probably hitting him very hard, and you know what, 692 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: karma happens in whatever way it sees fit. I mean, 693 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: I have to be honest. My gut reaction when I 694 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: first heard the news that he was on a ventilator 695 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: was that this was an elaborate escape plan, like a 696 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: mousehole to get out like he was hiding. He was 697 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: he was cross dressing in Texas to get away from 698 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: the other two murders. I was like, it just seems 699 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: in his wheelhouse to create the fact that he's on 700 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: a ventilator. But and and also it is known that 701 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,280 Speaker 1: sometimes people who were on trial will pretend to appear 702 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 1: unwell to elicit sympathy from the jury. So there was 703 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: a part of me that believed that he would go 704 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: that far. But now that we actually know it is 705 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 1: verified that he's on the ventil later all come off 706 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: my soapbox. It was a hill I was willing to 707 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: die on. But he'll got flattened, and the and the 708 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: curve did not get flattened. The curve did not get flattened, 709 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: but the milky ways may because wait, oh my god, Jedny, 710 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 1: the way that you are just paving right over this 711 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 1: is really she's weaving. You're an expert basket weaver. You 712 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 1: have somehow Mostly we've listen. Some of us aren't late, 713 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 1: some of us keep track of the time. Some of 714 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: us know our listeners are busy and they need the facts, Leah, 715 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: but we do have to. We didn't address the fact 716 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: that Robert was actually convicted of his first wife's murder. 717 00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 1: I don't think we said that, which is important. Deep. 718 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: That's why we've got one person on timing, one person 719 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: on facts. She disappeared. She disappeared in two So for 720 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: that to happen now, I mean, I think, do you 721 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 1: think that we would ever find her body? No, not 722 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: unless he were to say where where it is or 723 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: where it was, which I just don't see him doing. 724 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: Some people have theories that she was buried in New Jersey, 725 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 1: where the mysterious phone calls came from, versus their home 726 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:43,720 Speaker 1: in the lake in Long Island. But Long Island upstate 727 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,720 Speaker 1: New York, Long upstate New York. I think it's upstate 728 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 1: New York, upstate New York. So for the record, I 729 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,879 Speaker 1: said the right thing the first time. I didn't thank you, 730 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: I didn't um Dmitri silent. He's just he's reveling in 731 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: the fact that I got something wrong. No, I'm just 732 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: trying to think. And I think they had a big 733 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: lake house, so I think it was probably upstate New York. 734 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: I don't revel in you getting things wrong this podcast. 735 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: In fact, I don't consider you get I don't ever 736 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: consider you getting something wrong because you really look for 737 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: the conspiracy theories. So I think that's just you throwing 738 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: out different angles. Couldn't have been Long Island. Who knows 739 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,799 Speaker 1: where the body could be New Jersey. You're right, it could. 740 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: It could be Long Island. Why not? I was going 741 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,919 Speaker 1: to be Trash Island and there are many secrets over there. 742 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,880 Speaker 1: And don't think I didn't notice that. Now you're complimenting 743 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 1: Leah after calling me behind maintenance earlier in the podcast. 744 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,359 Speaker 1: It d behavior pitting two women again, and I can 745 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,759 Speaker 1: see what you're doing, Dmitri. So as as your home, 746 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: making your homemade Halloween candies to pass out to your 747 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 1: little zip block, like putting in one candy when you 748 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,799 Speaker 1: find a bag on your front boards with toothpaste and 749 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,479 Speaker 1: milky ways, you know, I really do hope you send 750 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,839 Speaker 1: that to me. But Teddy's been dying to talk about 751 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: Halloween candy. I'm really obsessed because everyone frightens you into 752 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: believing that you like have to check it. And now 753 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 1: I've realized, like, what if I've been failing my kids 754 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 1: for the past, you know, twelve years, Like I've never 755 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: once really checked other than saying they can't have like 756 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,400 Speaker 1: the brownies are homemade cooked things from strangers were apparently 757 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: in Georgia. They said that there's ecstasy and possible meth 758 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 1: in some of the candy that's been going out, and 759 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you know, treat free. Okay, getting back 760 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: to the facts, there's just some ecstasy and molly that 761 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 1: looked like candy. I haven't actually been putting it out 762 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,759 Speaker 1: there into the universe. There's just it exists. There's a 763 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: candy like so there's just the threat of a good 764 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,840 Speaker 1: time there. I don't know that a seven year old 765 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: on ecstasy at atm in the dark streets of Los 766 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 1: Angeles isn't that good of a time? Do you already 767 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: identified that I'm a child earlier, So I just wanted 768 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,800 Speaker 1: to say that it could also be me. For the record, 769 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,720 Speaker 1: I think we need to make this clear that Leah 770 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: is not saying it's a good time for kids. She's 771 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: saying for her thank you. I hope that by now 772 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 1: our listeners know that, like when when we're joking, I 773 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: hope this whole thing is built on hope. But we 774 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,280 Speaker 1: have to just make sure. And then I violently mentally 775 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:32,799 Speaker 1: that's also a joke. Allegedly allegedly, well, according to my psychiatrist, 776 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: it might be true. But okay, So I think we 777 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,359 Speaker 1: want to talk about the fact that there are allegedly 778 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,799 Speaker 1: poisoned candies but also razor blades. If I found a 779 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 1: razor blade in my candy, I would take it personally. 780 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, do I need to shave 781 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: my legs? Are you sending me a message? And if 782 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 1: you shave your legs with one lone razor blade, I'm 783 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 1: really impressed. Handle. I don't think with a box cutter, 784 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,799 Speaker 1: that's what you do in jail. Well, I from what 785 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 1: I've known, I feel like I know a lot of moms. 786 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 1: No one has ever found anything and their kids Halloween candy. 787 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 1: I think we're safe to say we're pretty good that 788 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: I have to say. If you could actually discreetly, somehow 789 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,080 Speaker 1: put a razor blade inside of a candied apple or 790 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: inside of a you get an award. You know, I mean, 791 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 1: that's like a ment, that's I mean, that's a disturbed 792 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,400 Speaker 1: person to a degree I've I've never even heard of. 793 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 1: If you honestly think that somebody's gonna come and eat 794 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,239 Speaker 1: your candied apple, No one wants to candy apple. No 795 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,800 Speaker 1: parent wants to get a candied apple on Halloween. I 796 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 1: want things that aren't going to be messy, that I 797 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 1: can easily throw away or give out, where you just 798 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,719 Speaker 1: bring it all and you donate the candy like I do. 799 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,759 Speaker 1: Nobody wants a handmade candied apple. Guys. Look, also, I 800 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: don't have but I don't need to have children to 801 00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,280 Speaker 1: understand the fact that my kids will only be eating 802 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,920 Speaker 1: things that are hermetically sealed shut from the store. No 803 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,839 Speaker 1: big no popcorn balls, no apples. Yeah, the only thing 804 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:16,919 Speaker 1: taking my kids down is the candy. Ultimately, you Yeah, 805 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 1: I need poor, poor my future children, you know, well 806 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:28,680 Speaker 1: than come over here over Teddy's. Maybe a helicopter. Mom, 807 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 1: I have that energy, don't I? Or you guys don't 808 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 1: think so. I'm not sure I'm gonna have to see 809 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: you in action. I've already stepped in at Once today 810 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,239 Speaker 1: with a hypothetical about teddy behind made, and so I'm 811 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,359 Speaker 1: going to reserve all comment for the Oh yeah, just 812 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,320 Speaker 1: keep it light with Dmitri. Go search on the reserve 813 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,560 Speaker 1: for your thoughts. Thank you. I don't want you guys 814 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,800 Speaker 1: to get a little upset, but I am going to 815 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,319 Speaker 1: have to say that we have to close out for 816 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,400 Speaker 1: the day, but we need I've just got started, I know, 817 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 1: but it's like time is money here guys. But I 818 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,359 Speaker 1: do want to ask the listeners to write in and 819 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,680 Speaker 1: tell us your thoughts on any of the following things. 820 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 1: Do you have some like do you feel okay about 821 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:14,280 Speaker 1: the fact of knowing that Brian isn't on the spring 822 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:19,120 Speaker 1: my doorbell? Are you having guests where it comes here? 823 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,400 Speaker 1: Am I about to get about Mr Dmitri? He just 824 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,160 Speaker 1: his zoom just went off? All right, Well it's not Dmitri. 825 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,799 Speaker 1: You enjoy being the scapegoat for everything that comes up 826 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,120 Speaker 1: on the podcast. Thank you. It's perfect for us. But 827 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: right in, let us know your thoughts on brian laundry 828 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,319 Speaker 1: snapchat mom, which you know I'm not gonna let go, 829 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,239 Speaker 1: and I mean, I guess I'm gonna have to let 830 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,440 Speaker 1: go this Halloween candy thing, even though you know I 831 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,080 Speaker 1: want to talk about it more. I do. Also, I 832 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 1: just want to say, if someone is ever looking at 833 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 1: my skeletal remains and looks at my sinuses, they'll be 834 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 1: like a Jewish. It's definitely Leah like so inflamed? How 835 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,120 Speaker 1: did she even breathe? If we can get sponsored by 836 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,400 Speaker 1: Breathe Right Trips. I'd be so excited. It's like nothing. 837 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 1: I don't well, no one's going to my bed for 838 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,319 Speaker 1: a long time for me to know, but I mean, 839 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 1: no one's over. I'm just kidding, you know. I also 840 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,680 Speaker 1: have to say I'm very excited about something. Teddy, We've 841 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 1: got to call in live number. Oh yeah, I am 842 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,640 Speaker 1: so excited. You guys. You can call in live to 843 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:27,799 Speaker 1: our next episode and you can even leave us a message. Okay. 844 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,919 Speaker 1: The number is eight six six one crime again. That's 845 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,319 Speaker 1: eight six six one crime eight six six two one 846 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,560 Speaker 1: two seven four or six three. Oh you know, I'm 847 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,239 Speaker 1: gonna make a jingle. Oh we know what's happening, and 848 00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,200 Speaker 1: I'm glad that you used doing a real time crime 849 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,720 Speaker 1: voice to do it. But we're looking forward to talking 850 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,920 Speaker 1: to you guys next week. See you next week. Bye, 851 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:59,560 Speaker 1: it's real time, real time. I mean it actually real time. 852 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,799 Speaker 1: Don't be anything or is that just the thing we say? 853 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,160 Speaker 1: It's a thing, we say, got it? Okay, see you 854 00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,920 Speaker 1: next week for more real time crime only on I 855 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:07,800 Speaker 1: Heart Radio.