Speaker 1: Welcome to Checking In with Michelle Williams, a production of
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and The Black Effect. Wait a minute, I'm not ready.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Yes, I am ready. I am ready
Speaker 1: for this conversation with my longtime buddy. Y'all, Kenny Lattimore
Speaker 1: is coming up. We got to talk. We have got
Speaker 1: to talk. He is so amazing, one of the most kind, sweet,
Speaker 1: gentle souls, one of the most beautiful human beings you
Speaker 1: will ever know. I can't wait for him to come
Speaker 1: on this podcast. So please settle down, get you a
Speaker 1: cup of coffee, your tea, whatever it is that you're doing. Please,
Speaker 1: Kenny Lattimore is checking in. Oh gosh, how y'all doing.
Speaker 1: Thank y'all for checking in on another beautiful episode of
Speaker 1: Checking In with Michelle and I am so excited about
Speaker 1: today's guest for checking in. A longtime buddy, just so pleasant,
Speaker 1: so amazing, y'all. Let's just get right into who we
Speaker 1: have today. I'm so excited about Grammy Soul Training, Stellar
Speaker 1: Award nominated singer, songwriter, actor, husband and dad Kenny Latimore.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know.
Speaker 1: What, I would have guessed who you are just by
Speaker 1: your laugh. I would have figured I would have figured
Speaker 1: it out. How have you been?
Speaker 2: I have been great. I have been working and evolving
Speaker 2: and elevating, and it's been a lot of things, all
Speaker 2: of them good, because all things work together for the
Speaker 2: gooder than the love God. So I am watching and
Speaker 2: trying to be as conscious of that as possible, to
Speaker 2: understand that, WHOA, this doesn't always feel good, this doesn't
Speaker 2: always look good and see good. But if I can
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, just put in perspective and sometimes
Speaker 2: just wait for things to align and for things to
Speaker 2: shift and evolve, that the result is just different. So
Speaker 2: that is how my year ended. I'd say I felt
Speaker 2: it was. Twenty twenty three was this year of evolution,
Speaker 2: and I learned so many things about me, business, and
Speaker 2: just different parts of my life, so that in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four I can breathe a little differently going in
Speaker 2: and be more even more authentic, even more purposeful. In
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Y'ah, he didn't waste no time. We are having a conversation.
Speaker 1: Wasted no time elevating and evolving. But yet you use
Speaker 1: the word waiting and waiting, which we don't like to get.
Speaker 2: We don't like to wait. We want stuff right right, now,
Speaker 2: and we think that not waiting is a measure of success,
Speaker 2: that oh, this happens so much faster than me, that
Speaker 2: now I'm more successful. I got there faster, And we
Speaker 2: miss our own growth, and we miss that the nuggets
Speaker 2: and things that we're supposed to get to sustain the success,
Speaker 2: whatever that success may be. We miss that there are
Speaker 2: foundational elements that allow us to be sustained.
Speaker 1: So it's funny you should say that about getting there faster.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of a conversation with civil rights leader
Speaker 1: and preacher Jesse Jackson. We happened to be sitting on
Speaker 1: a flight next to each other. I think we were
Speaker 1: both headed to Las Vegas for the Stellar Awards. One
Speaker 1: dice and he asked me about how would I rather
Speaker 1: get there? And he asked me, had I ever considered
Speaker 1: a train ride? I said, I said, I was tortured.
Speaker 1: Not tortured, but me and my family. We took a
Speaker 1: train ride to California so we can go to Disney.
Speaker 1: Don't no child want to be on no train going
Speaker 1: to Disney. We want to fly and head to Disney
Speaker 1: right now. So what I'm saying is some I don't
Speaker 1: know if we learned that from childhood and patient. We
Speaker 1: want to get there now. But he said, exactly what
Speaker 1: you're saying. You miss things along the way. You miss
Speaker 1: how beautiful the planes are pl a I n s.
Speaker 1: You miss how beautiful the mountains are. Going on a train,
Speaker 1: you miss going through the little towns and stuff here
Speaker 1: and there. And so I really appreciate you for talking
Speaker 1: about waiting and ad meaning that we don't like to
Speaker 1: no matter how successful you are, no matter if we're
Speaker 1: feeling like, well, I'm in my forties now, I should
Speaker 1: have more patience.
Speaker 2: No, you don't going to happen that way.
Speaker 1: You want what you want, especially when you know you
Speaker 1: can have it.
Speaker 2: That's true, That's very true. So balancing all of that
Speaker 2: becomes the key, which I used to say juggle. And
Speaker 2: one day from Boris Kojo, who you know, we were
Speaker 2: talking about something and he said, Kenny, you keep saying
Speaker 2: that you're juggling. He said, don't juggle anymore. He said,
Speaker 2: I want you to balance. And that's a very he's
Speaker 2: a very smart man and very I don't I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's I think he is a German background.
Speaker 2: We think of German like precision, and you know accuracy.
Speaker 2: So when he's talking, it's a it's a way that
Speaker 2: he presents the information that's like, hmm, okay, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2: I had to just take that in for a minute,
Speaker 2: and I said, I'm going to start saying to myself,
Speaker 2: which is very important too. Sometimes you gotta talk to yourself, folks,
Speaker 2: and you got to tell yourself what sounds need and encourages,
Speaker 2: tell yourself what Yeah. So I started saying, I'm balancing
Speaker 2: a lot more and but at the same time, what
Speaker 2: I'm learning is to be unapologetically Kenny and think about
Speaker 2: the things that make me work, that that make me tick,
Speaker 2: so that I can communicate those things without guilt or anything.
Speaker 2: It's like, Nope, actually this is who I am, or Nope,
Speaker 2: I don't like that as much. I'm one of those
Speaker 2: people who is like a servant leader, and being a
Speaker 2: servant leader a lot of times, I like to see
Speaker 2: other people happy. I like to see other people reach
Speaker 2: their goals because I always feel like I'm gonna reach
Speaker 2: my goal. I'm gonna do me, but I want to
Speaker 2: see you reach your goal. And as a result, what
Speaker 2: it does is I think it sometimes may lead people
Speaker 2: to think that my personality is like, oh, he's a pushover.
Speaker 2: He'll do whatever you want and he'll do whatever. So
Speaker 2: then when Kenny gets to a point where he's like
Speaker 2: hmm no, people are like what I've had people enraged?
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? Like like they had to
Speaker 2: convince me. I'm like, no, no, It's very seldom that
Speaker 2: I say no. But when I say no, I mean no.
Speaker 2: I had to be okay with that for me too,
Speaker 2: isn't that is the worst powerful words that we could give.
Speaker 2: I tell my kid when when I'm mentoring or speaking
Speaker 2: and speaking engagement, I tell no. It's one of the
Speaker 2: most powerful words like ever because it sets the boundary
Speaker 2: that you're not, that you're present, You're not a non person,
Speaker 2: You're present and when you're communicating with another person. As
Speaker 2: a servant leader, try to look at all sides of life. Oh,
Speaker 2: this is what you need, this is what I need,
Speaker 2: this is what you know. But most personalities don't. The
Speaker 2: same people who don't like waiting are the same people
Speaker 2: who want what they want when they want the ore
Speaker 2: the ones who think that they can control a servant leader,
Speaker 2: And you have to stop to step back from that
Speaker 2: because if a servant leader knows who they are. They
Speaker 2: press paus on everything for a minute and balance, and
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, let's get this right. Because I'm one
Speaker 2: of those people. Also, I like to get it all done.
Speaker 2: That may be unrealistic, but I'm one of those people
Speaker 2: that's like, let's try to get it all done so
Speaker 2: that everything is in place and all that, so that
Speaker 2: that keeps me motivated in this in my mind works.
Speaker 1: So when you say the organized mind, when you say
Speaker 1: trying to get it all done, do you mean you
Speaker 1: got to get it all done today or do you
Speaker 1: like have incremental time?
Speaker 2: Like incremental time get all done. But I can go
Speaker 2: really hard, like I don't care if I get up
Speaker 2: at noon, I probably run circles around people who get
Speaker 2: up early in the morning. If I get up at noon,
Speaker 2: I go hard and I start and I start go okay,
Speaker 2: so what do we have to do today. We got
Speaker 2: to clean house, we got to take out this, we
Speaker 2: got to do that, we gotta get the cards and
Speaker 2: wet and then my organized mind starts to work. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: but again, these are things I know about me. It's
Speaker 2: so important to know who you are so that when
Speaker 2: you're in friendships, when you're in partnerships, when you're in marriage,
Speaker 2: different kind of relationship. All of that that you appreciate
Speaker 2: who you are because everybody may not appreciate who you are.
Speaker 1: That's so good. Not only do they not appreciate who
Speaker 1: you are, We're going to go back to when you
Speaker 1: were talking about when you actually say no, or when
Speaker 1: you normally just laugh something off, but when you actually
Speaker 1: decide to tell somebody how something they did made you feel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: have you ever been made to feel like a monster,
Speaker 1: like it's been switched around on you?
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, go ahead, I want you to say it.
Speaker 1: My theme for the year for me is stop letting
Speaker 1: people play in your face. Because of that reason, I'm
Speaker 1: easy going. And it's not that I don't like confrontation.
Speaker 1: It's like is it worth it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't like confrontations.
Speaker 1: I don't who really does.
Speaker 2: I don't know who it is right right? I'm think
Speaker 2: anybody does. But we're not afraid of confident nobody's we're not.
Speaker 2: We're not afraid of competition.
Speaker 1: We're not afraid of Yes.
Speaker 2: But you know what's really bad to see? I know
Speaker 2: how bad I can be. The nice Kenny is nice
Speaker 2: for a reason. I am and everybody in the industry
Speaker 2: just about will tell you all, he's so nice, he's respectful.
Speaker 2: But I'm one of those people that I know that
Speaker 2: I could be something different. I know the thoughts that
Speaker 2: come to this head, the thoughts that I have to kill,
Speaker 2: like on a you know, consistently. Did they just say that, okay,
Speaker 2: let me smile, let me bring them back to peace.
Speaker 2: But the thought that came to mind was I'm getting
Speaker 2: ready to say d you know. But again, that's knowing thyself,
Speaker 2: being true to thine own self. But you're so right
Speaker 2: that again, but giving yourself permission to say no. Depending
Speaker 2: on your personality, may be a huge thing. There's some
Speaker 2: people that are great already, who who thrive in understanding
Speaker 2: who they are and understanding their position and articulating that.
Speaker 2: But folks that like to see other people smile, which
Speaker 2: is a lot of times, I think creatives, you know,
Speaker 2: although we creators have a reputation of being divas too.
Speaker 2: But there's some creatives who are like, no, the people
Speaker 2: are here. My purpose and my job, this is how
Speaker 2: I go at it. My purpose is to sing to
Speaker 2: the hearts of women and the minds to men and
Speaker 2: the minds of men to encourage them in love. That's
Speaker 2: my purpose that I like my little mantra that I
Speaker 2: put on my career. That's just my career, not my life,
Speaker 2: but my career. So when I don't feel like singing,
Speaker 2: I don't feel like getting up, I have to go
Speaker 2: wait a minute. Got to live in purpose, Kenny. So
Speaker 2: the hearts of women and the minds of men to
Speaker 2: courage them in love. And I put that face back
Speaker 2: on authentically, though I don't put it on faith. I
Speaker 2: go back to give to them what I'm supposed to
Speaker 2: give to them in that moment. And it can be
Speaker 2: draining physically. It can be draining to give. Just like
Speaker 2: if you have kids, or if you need to see
Speaker 2: someone in the hospital or anything. You gotta just pull
Speaker 2: yourself together for that moment. It's like that for some
Speaker 2: of us creatives on a daily basis. We got when
Speaker 2: we walk out the house. I know when you walk
Speaker 2: out the house, there's a song that reminds me of
Speaker 2: the song that it's a little different. It's a Jazzmine
Speaker 2: Sullivan song. Yes, it's called scar yep. Well, even though
Speaker 2: I don't have to put that scar on, but I
Speaker 2: get it that that song is so dope because it
Speaker 2: speaks to the life of an artist. So people that
Speaker 2: are watching this when Michelle Williams has to go out
Speaker 2: of house, out of the house, people aren't judging her
Speaker 2: the same way as they're judging the average person, and
Speaker 2: not judging Kenny Ladamo the way that they're judging the
Speaker 2: average person. So sometimes you.
Speaker 1: Got to put that mess gara on and something like
Speaker 1: you can't go out there. You got that hair gotta
Speaker 1: be shaved just right. That beard. We're expecting moisturialization on
Speaker 1: the beard. We're expecting that smile and right, you know,
Speaker 1: and because you know that, you know that could be pressure.
Speaker 1: You're just trying to go get some blueberries and go
Speaker 1: in and now right right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: You know what I got beat up for at the
Speaker 2: beginning of my career was like I got this sweatshirt
Speaker 2: or that. People used to be like, we have the suit,
Speaker 2: wear the suit. It was like the suits. Oh, I
Speaker 2: gotta wear a suit every day because in the video.
Speaker 1: At the suit on, well, can you contribute to all
Speaker 1: my suits that I need to wear that on a
Speaker 1: daily basis to please you? Okay? Can you imagine what
Speaker 1: it takes to wear a suit every single day. Did
Speaker 1: I hear you correctly when you mentioned not that this
Speaker 1: has anything really to do with anybody? Did you say
Speaker 1: divorce coach.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not a divorced coach. I've been more a mentoring.
Speaker 2: I've been doing speaking engagements and you're just my mentoring.
Speaker 2: I go out and talk to you. However, I probably
Speaker 2: could be maybe that maybe you speaking prophetically. No, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say this. I have some good knowledge. I have
Speaker 2: some really good nuggets and knowledge in that space. I
Speaker 2: really do. Uh So, nothing negative or shady at all
Speaker 2: about that. Interesting that you that you say that because
Speaker 2: I have some ideas as a matteric I was talking
Speaker 2: to my wife about a format or a television show
Speaker 2: or something that might help people. But we'll talk about
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Lady Faith Jenkins love so much. We
Speaker 1: thank y'all so much for sharing that part of your
Speaker 1: life with us, the.
Speaker 2: Wedding, the video, oh man.
Speaker 1: The pregnancy and how is that for you this time
Speaker 1: around marriage and fatherhood.
Speaker 2: I am such a more evolved person again, I love
Speaker 2: using that wordy fall. Where I've learned to approach the
Speaker 2: baby differently. I've learned where to use my energy because
Speaker 2: she's a girl. She's a girl. Oh my gosh, I'm
Speaker 2: wrapped around her little pinky toe. I mean, I see
Speaker 2: that face, but then she sees my face too, and
Speaker 2: I could be like turned to the side or something,
Speaker 2: and then I turned around and we catch eye contact
Speaker 2: and sheesus is like she just lights up and it
Speaker 2: is like the best thing ever is the absolute best
Speaker 2: thing ever?
Speaker 1: Oh am g Now you have a son.
Speaker 2: Who have a son who's amazing grown twenty years old.
Speaker 2: He's in college now, in his junior year, which I'm
Speaker 2: excited for him about. That's another one. As a parent,
Speaker 2: that's another era I can talk about. I've learned that
Speaker 2: a child still has their own journey. You have the
Speaker 2: most influence over your child, but they still have their
Speaker 2: own journey, and you have to walk with them through
Speaker 2: their journey, even when you don't like their decisions or
Speaker 2: you're not in agreement with everything. Well maybe they're not
Speaker 2: in agreement with you. How about that. You know you
Speaker 2: have an agenda that's like, oh, I want you to
Speaker 2: do this, I want you to go to college, what
Speaker 2: you do, but you have to listen to them to
Speaker 2: figure out what's important for them because my son is
Speaker 2: also another creative. Most creatives don't want to go to school.
Speaker 2: They're like, I want to create. And one thing I
Speaker 2: told my son is I said, well, the timing and
Speaker 2: the waiting getting back to that, we don't know what
Speaker 2: your weight is going to be. What are you going
Speaker 2: to do in the meantime? You don't like my parents
Speaker 2: used to tell me, you need to have a fallback.
Speaker 2: I used to hate that. What I'm not falling back?
Speaker 2: I hated those words. So I never told him that.
Speaker 2: But what do you do in the meantime while we're
Speaker 2: waiting for the manifestation of your career? And I would say, hey,
Speaker 2: why don't you do business so that you understand all
Speaker 2: aspects of how to sustain yourself and make money outside
Speaker 2: of me, so that as a man you're able to
Speaker 2: stand on your own two feet, have ideas, finance ideas,
Speaker 2: all those kind of things. And he listened. It was
Speaker 2: a push and pull for a while, it really was.
Speaker 2: But as a junior now he's able to see the
Speaker 2: purpose in it a lot more, and he's also carving
Speaker 2: his own path where he's like, Okay, I understand this
Speaker 2: is what I can use what I can't use because
Speaker 2: a lot of times when you don't want to be
Speaker 2: in school, your thought is, this has no benefit to me.
Speaker 2: I'm taking these crazy classes that don't have anything to
Speaker 2: do with real life. And I told them also, I said,
Speaker 2: this is going to be part of your narrative. Though
Speaker 2: when you walk into a room, everybody has a narrative
Speaker 2: and they have a story and a legacy. It's the
Speaker 2: same reason why in America history is rewritten, rewritten by
Speaker 2: different races of people and different classes of people, because
Speaker 2: it keeps getting passed down and it's either going to
Speaker 2: encourage those that come behind you or it's going to discourage.
Speaker 2: So a lot of times we want a narrative that
Speaker 2: puts us in the best life. So just like we
Speaker 2: do that in history, I was like, this is your history.
Speaker 2: You'll be able to say yep. I went ahead and
Speaker 2: I got my degree in this what it meant to me,
Speaker 2: and it'll encourage other people to be well rounded. It's
Speaker 2: not that college is for everybody, school is for everybody.
Speaker 2: Learning is for everybody. But I tried to just the
Speaker 2: other piece was, as a parent, my son needed to
Speaker 2: leave California, I thought, and be on the other side
Speaker 2: of the world because it would teach him how to
Speaker 2: be an independent person. Wow, so you watch you observe
Speaker 2: all these kinds of things. What does my child really need?
Speaker 2: And you try to just equip them with all of
Speaker 2: those things. And we know we're not going to be perfect.
Speaker 2: No parent is. We can't control their lives as much
Speaker 2: as we try to. And a lot of times we're
Speaker 2: trying to control them based on our own insecurities and
Speaker 2: our ideas of who we thought we were going to
Speaker 2: be that maybe we didn't become. And it's so many
Speaker 2: different hang ups that we have as parents sometimes when
Speaker 2: we look at our offspring. I want them to have
Speaker 2: more than I had, Well, that's your hand up. They
Speaker 2: may not even want more than you. Oh I want
Speaker 2: them to have this opportunity. Oh yeah, that's okay. But
Speaker 2: make sure that they want that opportunity, because if they don't,
Speaker 2: you're gonna waste all this time and they're gonna squander
Speaker 2: that opportunity. They're gonna just throw it away. And so
Speaker 2: you've got to be really careful to listen and not
Speaker 2: be completely absorbed as self absorbed as a parent when
Speaker 2: you're trying to send them off to do whatever they're gonna.
Speaker 1: Do, and ladies and gentlemen, this has been the life
Speaker 1: masterclass Foby Kenny Lattimore. I haven't had to say a
Speaker 1: word because I'm listening to you, learning myself and taking
Speaker 1: so much in like you probably you probably could do
Speaker 1: a cohort, some type of school, some type of coach,
Speaker 1: and some marriage and relationship which you have so much
Speaker 1: to offer. You have been investing in us for years.
Speaker 1: When I say investing in us through your art, it's
Speaker 1: an investment you giving. That's an investment. Thank you so
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that comment because that is what I
Speaker 2: have hoped as a servant artist and leader, is that
Speaker 2: when people when I look back at my legacy and
Speaker 2: I tell my narrative and they say, well, what do
Speaker 2: you want you know, what do you want people to
Speaker 2: say about you years from again, that it'll go back
Speaker 2: to that I encourage people in love, whatever that meant.
Speaker 2: Through every song, I thought about every song I was
Speaker 2: going to sing, I thought about the lyric. I thought
Speaker 2: about the power of my platform and how I would
Speaker 2: present myself in front of these people so that they
Speaker 2: would be encouraged. And that takes nothing away from those
Speaker 2: who were just like, Nope, I'm an artist and I'm
Speaker 2: just expressing myself. That's cool too. Yes, but I was
Speaker 2: called I have to be I have to be accountable
Speaker 2: for what I was called too. And it's not a
Speaker 2: judge against anyone else. But I know that I appreciate
Speaker 2: that comp That is probably that's one of the highest
Speaker 2: compliments I could get in my artistry.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I pray that the people we us as consumers,
Speaker 1: we have to know that creators. It's an investment, and
Speaker 1: to invest sometimes is a sacrifice to invest. Investments are risky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't know that, ROI I'm going to speak, that's right,
Speaker 1: but you do it knowing that. Okay, this is a
Speaker 1: long term, long term investment. Investment. Speaking of long term investment,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite investments you made is your Christmas album. Oh.
Speaker 1: I know we are past the holiday season, but this
Speaker 1: Christmas album I listened to a year round.
Speaker 2: Oh thank you.
Speaker 1: The two Christmas albums that I listened to year round
Speaker 1: is your album and Handles Messiah Soulful.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Quincy Jones, Oh yeah, you know what. Wow again,
Speaker 2: what a great compliment on purpose. Aaron Lindsey and I
Speaker 2: got together and we did that album for Motown Gospel.
Speaker 2: All of those components were important. I wanted to do
Speaker 2: a Christmas album, but I wanted to specifically make a
Speaker 2: gospel project as well, and I wanted it to be
Speaker 2: something that would live on past Christmas. It is and
Speaker 2: you are.
Speaker 1: It's anointed. The song I cry, Holy, and I'm glad
Speaker 1: that you let us in. I believe towards the end
Speaker 1: you were having your own moment and y'all kept it
Speaker 1: in the song. It's very faint, very.
Speaker 2: But I knew what was going on, and thank you again.
Speaker 2: I got to give credit to either.
Speaker 1: Holy or we want to see you.
Speaker 2: Actually, to be very honest, both of those somethings. I
Speaker 2: had similar and Aaron helped me to to make sure
Speaker 2: that it all remained authentic and it didn't get watered
Speaker 2: down or like you mentioned, edited out because their moments.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to say this not you know, not
Speaker 2: because I think I'm so great, but I appreciate when
Speaker 2: God does annoint something that it can live outside of
Speaker 2: who created, you know, me being a part of the creation.
Speaker 2: That I was getting ready for the Christmas tour because
Speaker 2: I tour this every year, because I was like, if
Speaker 2: Mariah Carey can be the Queen of Christmas? Why can't.
Speaker 2: So I was rehearsing and I said, oh, man, I
Speaker 2: have to go back and remember the lyrics and remember
Speaker 2: everything after doing a lot of the R and B
Speaker 2: stuf all year, and I stood there for a minute,
Speaker 2: and I promise you a lot of times I have
Speaker 2: to cry. I have to stop. I have to I'm
Speaker 2: moved tears and I'm like, oh God, you know, this
Speaker 2: is wow. This is what the Lord gave me, not
Speaker 2: what I gave the world. That's not how I look at.
Speaker 2: I said, this is what God gave me, and it
Speaker 2: moves me because it was true moments of worship. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And we started that tour off and I had the
Speaker 2: best time. It's one of the best times for me creatively,
Speaker 2: just saying hey, this exists. Because a lot of people
Speaker 2: didn't know that it existed. So I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, here it is again. And maybe because it
Speaker 2: was a gospel project mainly some of my R and
Speaker 2: B crowd didn't know. So when I get to do
Speaker 2: the Christmas too, I get to be all who Kennedy
Speaker 2: is on stage. I don't get I don't have to
Speaker 2: just be the sexy guy who and the love songs.
Speaker 2: But I get to be the worshiper and all of
Speaker 2: that and nobody judges it.
Speaker 1: That's so good.
Speaker 2: I get to sing all these different genres and they go,
Speaker 2: you know what, another great compliment, they say, It doesn't
Speaker 2: sound like you're trying to be anything in particular. It
Speaker 2: just it's happening in front of us. It's like we're
Speaker 2: having a conversation, just like us having this conversation right now.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we talk about life and love. Sometimes we talk
Speaker 2: about worship and praise. We talk about an experience that
Speaker 2: shaped us and changed us. So I like the show
Speaker 2: to flow just like a conversation. And when you leave out,
Speaker 2: you're like, man, he did some opera, he did some Yes,
Speaker 2: he did some gospel, he did all this stuff. I
Speaker 2: don't know how it fits, but it's because we're complex
Speaker 2: as people.
Speaker 1: And speaking of that, yes, y'all, he's got the classics
Speaker 1: that we know for you never too busy. And when
Speaker 1: I said I do, yes, but then he's got the
Speaker 1: part of him like has he been classically trained? This
Speaker 1: sounds like he's got technique.
Speaker 2: Thank you. When I did All Holy Night, I wanted
Speaker 2: it to sound like an Aria classical and it does.
Speaker 1: It is absolutely beautiful. Now, I'm so glad that you
Speaker 1: say that you haven't been judged, because then I guess
Speaker 1: that takes away from me having to ask the question,
Speaker 1: did you feel like you have to balance when you
Speaker 1: sing for you but then go into a gospel number?
Speaker 1: But then for you you could kind of be it
Speaker 1: could be a duel who you're singing it too? Or
Speaker 1: or who for God can be like for you? I'll
Speaker 1: give yeah, yeah, okay, hell here you answered.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I think it's a great question because I
Speaker 2: come from the eighties, gos, the eighties and nineties. You know,
Speaker 2: when we went church, you couldn't mix all that stuff up.
Speaker 1: Okay, but how we swag surfing? By the way, I'm
Speaker 1: saying that as a joke. By the way, that whole
Speaker 1: swag surf video that was re hurt passa Murphy is
Speaker 1: the homie. So don't y'all try it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know it's interesting, No, I can now
Speaker 2: it's almost we're in a new generation of Christians, and
Speaker 2: I'm saying Christians. You know it used to be we
Speaker 2: knew what a you know you say Christian? This is
Speaker 2: what that means? Or we're in it. Yeah, we know
Speaker 2: how it looked or how it sounded or how. But
Speaker 2: now we're in a time where I have to say
Speaker 2: I'm a believer in Jesus Christ, his message, how he loved,
Speaker 2: I'm a follower of him, and I'm trying to emulate
Speaker 2: who he is. And then it takes out all of
Speaker 2: the other stuff that people get confused by. So when
Speaker 2: I say that I'm I'm a follower and emulator of
Speaker 2: who Jesus Christ is, it allows me to say a
Speaker 2: lot of things and sing a lot of things. The
Speaker 2: one that used to be scared for me, like I
Speaker 2: just had a number one song after twenty five years, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Take the doors, take a dose. I'm so sorry. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're so right.
Speaker 2: No, no, but take a dose was the one that
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh my god, how am I gonna
Speaker 2: sing this? Because if a church, you know, I did,
Speaker 2: and I did. The first venue that asked me to
Speaker 2: do the Christmas tour was a church, and I went
Speaker 2: in and I was going and then I realized, I said,
Speaker 2: you know what, I have to make sure that people
Speaker 2: understand what Christmas and love is as long as I
Speaker 2: go out and I lead in it and I go, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm going to a church. I'm going wherever. This is
Speaker 2: authentically who I am. I'm going to sing Christmas songs.
Speaker 2: I'm going to sing love songs. As long as I
Speaker 2: made it clear, I don't know. People just went with
Speaker 2: me because that particular church that I went to drew
Speaker 2: people that weren't from the church either. You know, It's
Speaker 2: like a combination of people, so that I'm not just
Speaker 2: singing to the church. I'm singing to people. And we
Speaker 2: happened to be in a church, which I respect. But
Speaker 2: I'm authentically me. So I did some luther come on
Speaker 2: had the way I did, did a lot of things
Speaker 2: that people knew, because just because they're in the church
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that they don't know those songs. Of course,
Speaker 2: a lot of songs these people already know. They lived
Speaker 2: and yeah, and their lives have been shaped to all
Speaker 2: these different sounds and music. So I just try to
Speaker 2: make it make sense.
Speaker 1: How does it feel to know that for you? It's
Speaker 1: probably in the top five wedding songs that is requested
Speaker 1: or saying at a wedding as the bride or a
Speaker 1: wedding party is walking down the aisle. One and how
Speaker 1: many times have you been personally asked to sing this
Speaker 1: song at people's wedding or reception for the first reception?
Speaker 2: Yeah. One. It is one of the greatest honors ever
Speaker 2: because you're thinking about a time in someone's life that
Speaker 2: they never forget. Whether they have a marriage that lasts
Speaker 2: two years or fifty years, people will always go back
Speaker 2: and they'll say, you know what, I dance to your
Speaker 2: song or I what you know whatever to your song
Speaker 2: and that moment. So it's a great honor that I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm a part of their lives and again
Speaker 2: that I've reached this purpose of encouraging them in love.
Speaker 2: I can't even count the amount of times that I've
Speaker 2: sung for you. But what I love about it is
Speaker 2: that it's just like that Christmas album is the gift
Speaker 2: that keeps on giving. It comes back, it like never
Speaker 2: goes out of style. If somebody was five years old,
Speaker 2: I say this all the time. If you were five
Speaker 2: years old when for You came out, and now you're
Speaker 2: thirty or what have you, and you're discovering real depth
Speaker 2: and love and relationships. A lot of times they some
Speaker 2: kind of way they picked up for you and it
Speaker 2: becomes new all over again.
Speaker 1: Tell the audience. I know you've said you you have
Speaker 1: shared this many times when the song you know came out,
Speaker 1: But did you know that it was gonna that we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about this in twenty twenty four?
Speaker 2: You know what, It's really crazy. I give I've got
Speaker 2: to give credit to the songwriter and the producer for you,
Speaker 2: Kenny Lera, who was my buddy of mine from high school.
Speaker 2: For You was literally his wedding song. So I love
Speaker 2: that we authentically worked on that for his wife. We
Speaker 2: didn't sit down and say, hey, let's come up with
Speaker 2: a song so we can make some money, and you know,
Speaker 2: you know, Luther had here and now maybe we can
Speaker 2: have a wedding song. It just was his actual wedding
Speaker 2: song that he wrote for his wife that was so
Speaker 2: beautiful that I asked him if I could use on
Speaker 2: and do it as a demo for Columbia Records. Barry
Speaker 2: Eastman came in the super producer, and he gave it
Speaker 2: such a timeless sound and a lovely sound and the
Speaker 2: live strings, and he brought a lot of other arrangements
Speaker 2: to it to enhance it, and that combination just worked perfectly.
Speaker 1: Y'all. We are getting so many jewels from a folk soul,
Speaker 1: R and B soul legend, Kenny Lattimore, Do you miss
Speaker 1: the days when the majority of music was made like that?
Speaker 1: You just named some abvaners.
Speaker 2: Yes, Lord, but you know what it can still be made,
Speaker 2: and some of it is.
Speaker 1: Being when we still say this with love because I
Speaker 1: mean we were both Columbia Records artists, so we know
Speaker 1: what it takes to what was required.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my goodness, Oh we can have a whole conversation,
Speaker 2: but okay, I'll say this quickly. I just did five
Speaker 2: songs with an orchestra recently and just stepped outside and
Speaker 2: thanks to some other friends who just wanted me. They
Speaker 2: just wanted me to record that part because they had
Speaker 2: heard me do some things live and they were like,
Speaker 2: come on, let's go to Nashville and let's put a
Speaker 2: string orchestra together and we die. So that'll come out
Speaker 2: later on. But what I love is the musicality and
Speaker 2: all still exists. It just exists in a smaller number
Speaker 2: of people because we know that music and schools was
Speaker 2: taken away. It was somewhere in the eighties. I think
Speaker 2: that it was that.
Speaker 1: Was taken away.
Speaker 2: It started started then, so we don't have the education
Speaker 2: in music that we used to have as young people.
Speaker 2: So as a result, the type of music changed with
Speaker 2: hip hop. We knew that we sampled records, but that
Speaker 2: was a part of hip hop culture, and it wasn't
Speaker 2: because the people had didn't have skill. It was just
Speaker 2: a new way of doing music because a lot of
Speaker 2: those artists, the rappers, had skills and played instruments and
Speaker 2: other things too back in our day. So now we
Speaker 2: get to an age where it just had not been
Speaker 2: cultivated in a way that those traditional sounds are easy
Speaker 2: accessible nowadays. You know this. We we work with playback
Speaker 2: and tracks and so much and stuff like that, so
Speaker 2: much that I don't even know that there's a generation
Speaker 2: that doesn't even know what real live music even sounds like. Listen,
Speaker 2: because live music does not sound exactly like the record.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how dare those same people who voted to take
Speaker 1: music out of schools were they were? I'm sure in
Speaker 1: those music classes. Take me back to the day of
Speaker 1: the xylophone. We had our balance and.
Speaker 2: A little recorder. Take me back. You have to learn
Speaker 2: how to read it when.
Speaker 1: We could buy the recorder, or if not you had
Speaker 1: to use one of the they I guess they cleaned them.
Speaker 1: But take me back when we could buy the little yellow,
Speaker 1: beige looking recorder or the dark.
Speaker 2: One, black one. Yeah, take me.
Speaker 1: Back to y'all. Come on, take me back to the moroccas.
Speaker 2: And it came to somebody as a child that gave
Speaker 2: you this confidence, Oh, I can do that. I didn't
Speaker 2: know I could do that until I tried it in
Speaker 2: a little group, and maybe I wasn't amazing, but it
Speaker 2: made me feel like, oh, I could be a part
Speaker 2: of a group. I could be a part of sharing
Speaker 2: an experience with people, which is a whole different dynamic
Speaker 2: that a lot of kids don't understand these days unless
Speaker 2: you play sports.
Speaker 1: Were you ever in band? Did you were in band
Speaker 1: or anything? In middle school?
Speaker 2: I was in vocal. I was in core in the
Speaker 2: chorus always, or chamber choir, concert choir, things like that.
Speaker 2: And then very early, like when I was about fourteen
Speaker 2: years old, was when I started recording and my mother
Speaker 2: allowed me to perform with bands, like professional bands. And
Speaker 2: I didn't think I was special, you know, thank God
Speaker 2: for mama's Yes, mamas who think that you're special. But
Speaker 2: my mother was an educator too, so she told me
Speaker 2: to take voice lessons, and I was singing the American
Speaker 2: song Book like I left my hard in San Francisco
Speaker 2: up on I heal it called me stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I was singing stuff like that at twelve, So by
Speaker 2: the time I was fourteen, I had a little confidence.
Speaker 2: So when these professional men, because they were twenty six
Speaker 2: or thirty, came along and they were like, hey, sing something,
Speaker 2: you know, I was able to give a little something
Speaker 2: because I was definitely shy growing up. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you that was a part of my evolution too.
Speaker 2: I was deathly shy as a kid, but music gave
Speaker 2: me a voice and a confidence that allowed me to
Speaker 2: flourish and blossom as a person. It was so important
Speaker 2: to my journey that I whether I thought I was
Speaker 2: better than anybody, which I didn't. I thought everybody could sing,
Speaker 2: but I did try to be the best that I
Speaker 2: could be in the space. I was very critical of myself,
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'd have to say that's in a short
Speaker 2: form way, music saved my life. One of those kind
Speaker 2: of things, you know, God allowed music to be a
Speaker 2: part of saving my life and giving me a voice.
Speaker 1: Wow, y'all, I feel like this interview, this conversation is
Speaker 1: probably one of the top ever in going on the
Speaker 1: four years that y'all have allowed checking in to be
Speaker 1: on your podcast list. Wow, Kenny, you are just awesome.
Speaker 1: I'm just super thankful for you, Thank you for coming
Speaker 1: on here, just flowing and the comra. I could not wait.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Nicole Spence, who is our talent booker,
Speaker 1: and I was so excited and we gotta get Kenny
Speaker 1: Latimer on. What have I been thinking? And I wanted
Speaker 1: to just ask those of us who are navigating relationships,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get you to do a relationship course
Speaker 1: you and you would and judgement, we come.
Speaker 2: Back on, we come back on, and you know, talk
Speaker 2: about it now?
Speaker 1: Is this too personal? When y'all get into a heated
Speaker 1: fellowship or just a disagreement about how you gonna birth
Speaker 1: the baby?
Speaker 2: Okay, right right, which happens to everybody.
Speaker 1: She's a whole joy churkey. Who wins.
Speaker 2: Well, if it's not a if it's not a real resolve,
Speaker 2: nobody wins nobody.
Speaker 1: And by the way, nobody wins when the family. That's
Speaker 1: what the All Rider Prophet Sean Carter said, nobody wins. No,
Speaker 1: But on a serious note that that was just a
Speaker 1: joking question, like would I be intimidated being in a relationship?
Speaker 1: What that's like? An attorney would like, they're gonna always
Speaker 1: win every argument. They're always gonna be looking and prob
Speaker 1: the words that I use that this is that. But
Speaker 1: I'm sure she has a way of cutting that off
Speaker 1: in relationship with you. But just advice on maintaining respect.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. What we have to learn
Speaker 2: is how to be a partner. Okay, if you are
Speaker 2: on the same team and a partner with someone, there's
Speaker 2: certain things that you have to go Wait a minute,
Speaker 2: we don't have to agree on everything, but I have
Speaker 2: to respect it up. Okay, you do that differently. Then
Speaker 2: you look past the details and you try to get
Speaker 2: to what you want the result to be. What is
Speaker 2: it that we're really trying to do. We're trying to,
Speaker 2: you know, walk a mile down the road. It's like, well, look,
Speaker 2: I don't have to walk. I can just drive because
Speaker 2: I have this car here. Well I have a wagon
Speaker 2: over there, and I have the bike, and we're arguing
Speaker 2: about which one to take. Then it's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: when do we need to be at the end of
Speaker 2: the road. Oh okay, we need to be at the
Speaker 2: end of road by the end of the day. How
Speaker 2: can we get there? Do we need to get there faster?
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what time we go. Oh, you know what,
Speaker 2: let's just ride bikes down and look at the scenery.
Speaker 2: You've got to make decisions in a creative way where
Speaker 2: the team wins and your result is fulfilled as opposed
Speaker 2: to it has to be my way. And that takes
Speaker 2: work because when you have been an individual for years,
Speaker 2: and I'm talking to those who may not be married
Speaker 2: or have not been any serious relationships dating. If you've
Speaker 2: been an individual for ten years, let's just say that
Speaker 2: that's long enough for you to have your way of
Speaker 2: doing things and you know it works because you've proven
Speaker 2: it over and over and over again. One of the
Speaker 2: most difficult things to do is to say, hey, I'm
Speaker 2: going to try something different. I'm interesting. So you have
Speaker 2: to as a partner in a relationship, you have to
Speaker 2: die to self.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say surrender.
Speaker 2: Oh, surrender to the relationship, to the love of your relationship,
Speaker 2: shut up yea and be a part and be like
Speaker 2: we gonna win and that's where the work is. That
Speaker 2: people don't want to, don't want to do, don't want
Speaker 2: to do it. Most people don't want to do the
Speaker 2: people all this hard work. It's only hard because most
Speaker 2: people don't want to surrender and don't want to be
Speaker 2: a servant. And when you're in a relationship, don't you know.
Speaker 2: I used to listen to people always talk about so
Speaker 2: when I get married, I want him to be or
Speaker 2: I want her to be this, this, this, this is okay,
Speaker 2: well what are you bringing? Who are you? What? What
Speaker 2: are you bringing that is going to enhance? Uh, this,
Speaker 2: this relationship and this this whole position of this other person.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I've done any of this perfect
Speaker 2: and did.
Speaker 1: You I told you to shut up, and I only
Speaker 1: said shut up because you're right.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying this because I mastered everything either.
Speaker 2: I don't want people to think that.
Speaker 1: But but.
Speaker 2: I'm living it. I'm living it through. The one thing
Speaker 2: that I did before I decided to date seriously again,
Speaker 2: was I learned who Kenny was. I said, who am I?
Speaker 2: What are my core values? So that from a subconscious standpoint,
Speaker 2: I would articulate that to my partner because a lot
Speaker 2: of times we have so many hidden things inside of
Speaker 2: us that are who we are that we just don't
Speaker 2: even talk about, and then they come out in the
Speaker 2: course of the marriage and they feel like surprises. Your
Speaker 2: partner may feel like you sprung a surprise on It's like, no,
Speaker 2: I've always been this, but you never talked about it.
Speaker 2: So I did a list, and I said, who is Kenny.
Speaker 2: What's important to Kenny?
Speaker 1: Family?
Speaker 2: Trust, honesty, integrity. The Lord's in there, you know, so
Speaker 2: that you know, I don't want anybody talking about some
Speaker 2: why is he reading his Bible? You know? Or why
Speaker 2: is he They got to know all these little details
Speaker 2: that make me who I am so that I can
Speaker 2: articulate it and say, yep, all of this is who
Speaker 2: I am. I am super neat, I am mega, mega neat.
Speaker 2: I could roll this camera around this office and you
Speaker 2: can see everything has a place because maybe I'm not
Speaker 2: so good. I mean a lot of times you would think, oh,
Speaker 2: he's neat because it's something great about him. Maybe I'm
Speaker 2: not so great at balancing. So I have to have
Speaker 2: it neat. I have to have it neat so that
Speaker 2: when you go where is that paper such and such
Speaker 2: and such and such. Oh, it's it's right here, because
Speaker 2: if it's not in a place, I don't know where
Speaker 2: it is. I'm just totally frustrated and I don't know
Speaker 2: where stuff is. I'm like out there. So the way
Speaker 2: I live my life, I had to say that if
Speaker 2: you don't respect a person that's neat, then I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get on your nerves because you're gonna be like, what
Speaker 2: did he just clean up after me? He just I'm
Speaker 2: the guy that does the dishes and cleans the house
Speaker 2: and all of them, which is high the unusual, but
Speaker 2: not highly unusual. What do you say, not typical of men?
Speaker 2: So when what I give to my family is a
Speaker 2: lot of things that are not typical. And it's because
Speaker 2: I lived by myself for years. You had to.
Speaker 1: Cook, you had to clean, you.
Speaker 2: Had to be you know, I had to do all
Speaker 2: of that, and then was married and there wasn't married
Speaker 2: and lived about ten more years by myself where I
Speaker 2: did those things, and you learn what works and you
Speaker 2: try to bring the best characteristics of yourself to your relationship.
Speaker 2: And I thought, well, that's gonna be really dope, because
Speaker 2: if I don't have to look for stuff that saves
Speaker 2: us time and energy, and it allows me to run
Speaker 2: my production company, my tour company, it allows me to
Speaker 2: run my real estate company, and to have a foundation.
Speaker 2: That's just how I am. Some people can some people
Speaker 2: can operate in I'm just gonna say it in a word,
Speaker 2: it's negative. But in chaos, yep, some people can come
Speaker 2: operate in chaos. I don't know. I just don't know how. Wow,
Speaker 2: I just so these are things. So once I started
Speaker 2: writing there this is who Kenny is, and who Kenny is,
Speaker 2: woe Kenny, you and then you present that, then you
Speaker 2: give somebody else the opportunity to say, you know what,
Speaker 2: I don't want that. I don't think you don't waste time. Again.
Speaker 2: It's like I think that I'm cool on all that
Speaker 2: you know, and I like you. You're nice and we'll just
Speaker 2: be friends.
Speaker 1: Yes, suh, Come on listen. You said something about about
Speaker 1: how people can operate in chaos, but that would be
Speaker 1: an additional thirty minutes. And I be respectful of people's time.
Speaker 1: You have said so much checking in the foundation of
Speaker 1: it is mental health, but you've said so much about
Speaker 1: how a person can have great quality of mental health.
Speaker 1: Giving yourself grace, continuing to evolve, elevate and wait, yes,
Speaker 1: there's something beautiful in the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's something beautiful in that. And not being afraid.
Speaker 2: I love not being afraid of counsel as well. We
Speaker 2: call it therapy. Come on, counselor don't be afraid to talk,
Speaker 2: because that is communicating is how you discover things. A
Speaker 2: lot of times I think we are afraid to reveal
Speaker 2: who we truly are. We're afraid if I just say this,
Speaker 2: like it's gonna take over, like it's monster, it's gonna
Speaker 2: take over, and I'm putting a label on myself and
Speaker 2: it's gonna be Nope. Sometimes you need, excuse me, a
Speaker 2: label with grace, maybe like you were mentioning the word
Speaker 2: grace is really good, where you could say, hey, am
Speaker 2: I OCD? Isn't that what they call it? OCD? It's like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm okay to go there, be okay, love yourself and
Speaker 2: be okay with yourself enough to say, oh, okay, let's
Speaker 2: really examine that. I don't have a problem having a conversation.
Speaker 2: If somebody else thinks I'm that's see, let's examine it.
Speaker 2: What makes a personal CD are if you're a psychologist,
Speaker 2: see because a lot of times people throw words out
Speaker 2: and stuff. They don't know what they're talking about. It's
Speaker 2: narcissists and all kinds of I had to learn that
Speaker 2: narcissism was a real thing, like a real diagnosis, not
Speaker 2: that it was an insult A lot of times people
Speaker 2: throw out insults, but that it was a real mental
Speaker 2: diagnosis for people. And I was like, Wow, this person
Speaker 2: doesn't have the capacity to balance and think along the
Speaker 2: lines that we consider normal people to think because they
Speaker 2: have a narcissistic personality. That was not the disorder. This
Speaker 2: person has a personality disorder. H And it's helped me
Speaker 2: not to attack people who I could have attacked some
Speaker 2: people publicly, I could have attacked some people privately about
Speaker 2: mental illness. That is so unfair when you begin to
Speaker 2: understand that these people are really struggling. I might be
Speaker 2: struggling with something in particular that falls into that family.
Speaker 2: But my mother was a psychologist and my sister is
Speaker 2: a psychologist, So I sometimes I say it's in my
Speaker 2: psychologist and my DNAT. Although I didn't study it, but
Speaker 2: if I think something, A lot of times I'll go
Speaker 2: to my sister and I'll say, hey, is there something
Speaker 2: about this, and I can lay out the details of
Speaker 2: an event or something that's happened and she can say, yeah,
Speaker 2: that falls under the category of X, Y and C.
Speaker 2: So that when I approach the person, I approach with
Speaker 2: love and respect. I don't try to diagnose, So don't start.
Speaker 2: We're not suggesting that you go out and start labelling
Speaker 2: people either and trying to be a psychologist and going, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you have a personality disorder. Don't go tell them by
Speaker 2: their personality.
Speaker 1: But isn't that something I've been guilty because going to
Speaker 1: therapy now for years I have found myself and I
Speaker 1: could be right, I'm a bootleg doctor anyway, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: but you're so like, so I get you so much
Speaker 1: in that area. But just letting people be on their
Speaker 1: own journey and prayerfully they go get and again people
Speaker 1: that listen to checking in, we are not diagnosing, we
Speaker 1: are not treating. We are giving personal opinion and or experience.
Speaker 1: So always please go to your doctor, your primary care,
Speaker 1: your therapist, psychiatrist. So this is not intended to diagnose
Speaker 1: any illness. By the way, just have we're having conversation.
Speaker 2: Yes, just wanted to.
Speaker 1: Say that clear that air but yeah, thank you for
Speaker 1: talking about as as a man. You don't lose who
Speaker 1: you are, your masculinity.
Speaker 2: You're not.
Speaker 1: We to go sit and unpack.
Speaker 2: So unpack. I love that, just.
Speaker 1: You know, unpack and you know, get some organization going
Speaker 1: on with how you're feeling and even and also your
Speaker 1: feelings do not invalidate you. Hey, I'm feeling weak or
Speaker 1: I'm feeling overwhelmed, I don't feel appreciated, I don't feel valued, y'all.
Speaker 1: That is so that is great language to have. And
Speaker 1: even if you were to always walk away with the diagnosis,
Speaker 1: treat it as data.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all it is. It's just like when I
Speaker 2: was going who is Kenny? These are the things I
Speaker 2: say make me who I am? These are important things.
Speaker 2: These are things that are challenges for me, because everybody
Speaker 2: has challenges. Yes, sir, nobody arrives. That's the beauty of
Speaker 2: this whole journey in your relationship. You will never arrive
Speaker 2: at the perfect marriage, you will never arrive at the
Speaker 2: perfect children, You'll never Everything is an individual journey, y'all.
Speaker 1: Kenny Lattimore, he has given us so much more above
Speaker 1: and beyond what I knew we were going to have
Speaker 1: a great conversation, but he has poured and so we
Speaker 1: thank you so much. We're excited about you kind of
Speaker 1: teased about some music with an you know you with
Speaker 1: an orchestra, So we're very excited about that. And y'all
Speaker 1: continue to support him all of his music, continue to
Speaker 1: play it, buy it downloaded, touring, Yes, go ahead and
Speaker 1: talk about it.
Speaker 2: I still love to sing. You know. A lot of
Speaker 2: times we look at those that have been in the
Speaker 2: industry as long as we have, and some people get
Speaker 2: discouraged about the business or whatever their experience is just
Speaker 2: makes them feel like what am I doing? And I
Speaker 2: do understand that I've had moments in my career that
Speaker 2: were like that, because and that's another thing, careers are
Speaker 2: not who you are. Careers are just at their jobs
Speaker 2: and their their vehicles and tools that enhance our lives.
Speaker 2: So a lot of times, with men in particular, people
Speaker 2: say who are you, and we say what our career
Speaker 2: is as opposed to you know, I'm a father, I'm
Speaker 2: almost wonderful things you said about me in the beginning,
Speaker 2: I'm a husband, I'm a hard worker. Whatever we go. Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm a doctor. Well, no, that's one of the things
Speaker 2: you do, but who are you? You know? And that's
Speaker 2: we as men have not been socialized to articulate a
Speaker 2: lot of those details and our feelings. And that was
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why I had to sit and
Speaker 2: go through my core values too, because I was like,
Speaker 2: I've never done that before. So the more that you unpack,
Speaker 2: like I said, you and begin to use words to
Speaker 2: express it, the more you understand yourself and embrace I think,
Speaker 2: who you are. That's so good.
Speaker 1: All right, y'all, he's gonna keep going. I gotta let
Speaker 1: him go. He go, he go, keep going, And I'm
Speaker 1: here for it, y'all. There's so much in this episode
Speaker 1: you might have to go back and listen to it
Speaker 1: and write it down some of the things that he
Speaker 1: has shared. Kenny Lattimore obviously loves, loves, loves y'all so much,
Speaker 1: and he took time to come and check in. He's
Speaker 1: probably got to go check on his baby girl because
Speaker 1: she's around there somewhere. So thank you. We'll talk again soon.
Speaker 2: Thank you, all right?
Speaker 1: Thanks seen by p MG. What did I tell y'all?
Speaker 1: He came on the show ready, ready to just pour
Speaker 1: into us and just give us so much advice. This
Speaker 1: episode is loaded. I want to know what your takeaways are.
Speaker 1: Some of my takeaways have been patience and waiting, surrendering
Speaker 1: in partnership and just to me. I also take that
Speaker 1: into sometimes whatever partnership that is business wise personally. Oh y'all,
Speaker 1: I'm just touched. I'm so full, and I'm so thankful
Speaker 1: that he invested in us today. This just wasn't no
Speaker 1: because I've got something that i have to I'm promoting something.
Speaker 1: He just took some time out of his day to
Speaker 1: check in with us. I'm so thankful for him. Continue
Speaker 1: to support everything that he's got going on. I'm excited
Speaker 1: and congratulations to him on his number one number one single.
Speaker 1: This is amazing. His number one single is titled Take
Speaker 1: a Dose. He was held by the New York Times
Speaker 1: as a modern soul man, and I'm so glad that
Speaker 1: we got a chance to just glean and literally it
Speaker 1: was kind of like I was, as they say, just
Speaker 1: sitting at his feet, listening to everything that he had
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 3: So I hope fella enjoyed this episode.
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