WEBVTT - Checking In w/ Kenny Lattimore 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.000 Welcome to Checking In with Michelle Williams, a production of 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:20.760 iHeartRadio and The Black Effect. Wait a minute, I'm not ready. 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.120 Wait a minute, Yes, I am ready. I am ready 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:31.240 for this conversation with my longtime buddy. Y'all, Kenny Lattimore 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.440 is coming up. We got to talk. We have got 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:40.680 to talk. He is so amazing, one of the most kind, sweet, 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:46.400 gentle souls, one of the most beautiful human beings you 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:50.680 will ever know. I can't wait for him to come 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:55.560 on this podcast. So please settle down, get you a 0:00:55.560 --> 0:01:00.240 cup of coffee, your tea, whatever it is that you're doing. Please, 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:11.200 Kenny Lattimore is checking in. Oh gosh, how y'all doing. 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:15.360 Thank y'all for checking in on another beautiful episode of 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:20.280 Checking In with Michelle and I am so excited about 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:28.039 today's guest for checking in. A longtime buddy, just so pleasant, 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:33.080 so amazing, y'all. Let's just get right into who we 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:38.480 have today. I'm so excited about Grammy Soul Training, Stellar 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:46.880 Award nominated singer, songwriter, actor, husband and dad Kenny Latimore. 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:49.360 Hey, you know. 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.080 What, I would have guessed who you are just by 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:57.040 your laugh. I would have figured I would have figured 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:58.400 it out. How have you been? 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:04.040 I have been great. I have been working and evolving 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:08.600 and elevating, and it's been a lot of things, all 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:10.880 of them good, because all things work together for the 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:15.160 gooder than the love God. So I am watching and 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:19.560 trying to be as conscious of that as possible, to 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:23.600 understand that, WHOA, this doesn't always feel good, this doesn't 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:25.840 always look good and see good. But if I can 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.000 kind of, you know, just put in perspective and sometimes 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:32.320 just wait for things to align and for things to 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:36.200 shift and evolve, that the result is just different. So 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:42.280 that is how my year ended. I'd say I felt 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:46.240 it was. Twenty twenty three was this year of evolution, 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.600 and I learned so many things about me, business, and 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.480 just different parts of my life, so that in twenty 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:56.360 twenty four I can breathe a little differently going in 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.880 and be more even more authentic, even more purposeful. In 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:00.960 twenty twenty four. 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:06.800 Y'ah, he didn't waste no time. We are having a conversation. 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:14.639 Wasted no time elevating and evolving. But yet you use 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:20.160 the word waiting and waiting, which we don't like to get. 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.200 We don't like to wait. We want stuff right right, now, 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:27.960 and we think that not waiting is a measure of success, 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.560 that oh, this happens so much faster than me, that 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:34.160 now I'm more successful. I got there faster, And we 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:38.800 miss our own growth, and we miss that the nuggets 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.600 and things that we're supposed to get to sustain the success, 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:45.080 whatever that success may be. We miss that there are 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.000 foundational elements that allow us to be sustained. 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.200 So it's funny you should say that about getting there faster. 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:56.120 It reminds me of a conversation with civil rights leader 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:02.040 and preacher Jesse Jackson. We happened to be sitting on 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.720 a flight next to each other. I think we were 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.560 both headed to Las Vegas for the Stellar Awards. One 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:14.840 dice and he asked me about how would I rather 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:18.320 get there? And he asked me, had I ever considered 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:23.680 a train ride? I said, I said, I was tortured. 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.760 Not tortured, but me and my family. We took a 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.599 train ride to California so we can go to Disney. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:31.839 Don't no child want to be on no train going 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.240 to Disney. We want to fly and head to Disney 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:40.680 right now. So what I'm saying is some I don't 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.040 know if we learned that from childhood and patient. We 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:48.080 want to get there now. But he said, exactly what 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:51.560 you're saying. You miss things along the way. You miss 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:56.440 how beautiful the planes are pl a I n s. 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:00.599 You miss how beautiful the mountains are. Going on a train, 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.640 you miss going through the little towns and stuff here 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:08.440 and there. And so I really appreciate you for talking 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.960 about waiting and ad meaning that we don't like to 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.840 no matter how successful you are, no matter if we're 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:18.400 feeling like, well, I'm in my forties now, I should 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:19.240 have more patience. 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.400 No, you don't going to happen that way. 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.719 You want what you want, especially when you know you 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:26.360 can have it. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:30.600 That's true, That's very true. So balancing all of that 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.240 becomes the key, which I used to say juggle. And 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.160 one day from Boris Kojo, who you know, we were 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.320 talking about something and he said, Kenny, you keep saying 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.920 that you're juggling. He said, don't juggle anymore. He said, 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:44.800 I want you to balance. And that's a very he's 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:46.560 a very smart man and very I don't I don't 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.719 know if it's I think he is a German background. 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.640 We think of German like precision, and you know accuracy. 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.720 So when he's talking, it's a it's a way that 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.280 he presents the information that's like, hmm, okay, you're absolutely right. 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:02.840 I had to just take that in for a minute, 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.080 and I said, I'm going to start saying to myself, 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.120 which is very important too. Sometimes you gotta talk to yourself, folks, 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:13.000 and you got to tell yourself what sounds need and encourages, 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:18.400 tell yourself what Yeah. So I started saying, I'm balancing 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:22.200 a lot more and but at the same time, what 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:27.000 I'm learning is to be unapologetically Kenny and think about 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:31.160 the things that make me work, that that make me tick, 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:38.120 so that I can communicate those things without guilt or anything. 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.479 It's like, Nope, actually this is who I am, or Nope, 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.440 I don't like that as much. I'm one of those 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:49.440 people who is like a servant leader, and being a 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.280 servant leader a lot of times, I like to see 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.760 other people happy. I like to see other people reach 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:56.560 their goals because I always feel like I'm gonna reach 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.080 my goal. I'm gonna do me, but I want to 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.920 see you reach your goal. And as a result, what 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:07.479 it does is I think it sometimes may lead people 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:09.960 to think that my personality is like, oh, he's a pushover. 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.280 He'll do whatever you want and he'll do whatever. So 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.160 then when Kenny gets to a point where he's like 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:20.720 hmm no, people are like what I've had people enraged? 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.520 What are you talking about? Like like they had to 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:28.200 convince me. I'm like, no, no, It's very seldom that 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:31.600 I say no. But when I say no, I mean no. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.480 I had to be okay with that for me too, 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:41.200 isn't that is the worst powerful words that we could give. 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.640 I tell my kid when when I'm mentoring or speaking 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.680 and speaking engagement, I tell no. It's one of the 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.320 most powerful words like ever because it sets the boundary 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:53.600 that you're not, that you're present, You're not a non person, 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:58.720 You're present and when you're communicating with another person. As 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:02.440 a servant leader, try to look at all sides of life. Oh, 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:04.280 this is what you need, this is what I need, 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.520 this is what you know. But most personalities don't. The 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:11.160 same people who don't like waiting are the same people 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.600 who want what they want when they want the ore 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.200 the ones who think that they can control a servant leader, 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.000 And you have to stop to step back from that 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:23.840 because if a servant leader knows who they are. They 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:28.000 press paus on everything for a minute and balance, and 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.560 it's like, okay, let's get this right. Because I'm one 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:32.679 of those people. Also, I like to get it all done. 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:37.480 That may be unrealistic, but I'm one of those people 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.760 that's like, let's try to get it all done so 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:44.320 that everything is in place and all that, so that 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.440 that keeps me motivated in this in my mind works. 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.280 So when you say the organized mind, when you say 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:51.840 trying to get it all done, do you mean you 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.280 got to get it all done today or do you 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.079 like have incremental time? 0:08:56.240 --> 0:09:01.440 Like incremental time get all done. But I can go 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:04.720 really hard, like I don't care if I get up 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:09.480 at noon, I probably run circles around people who get 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.120 up early in the morning. If I get up at noon, 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.520 I go hard and I start and I start go okay, 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:16.839 so what do we have to do today. We got 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:18.400 to clean house, we got to take out this, we 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:19.720 got to do that, we gotta get the cards and 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:24.280 wet and then my organized mind starts to work. Yeah yeah, 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.360 but again, these are things I know about me. It's 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:29.680 so important to know who you are so that when 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:33.160 you're in friendships, when you're in partnerships, when you're in marriage, 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:36.199 different kind of relationship. All of that that you appreciate 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.360 who you are because everybody may not appreciate who you are. 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.880 That's so good. Not only do they not appreciate who 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:44.040 you are, We're going to go back to when you 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:47.400 were talking about when you actually say no, or when 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:51.920 you normally just laugh something off, but when you actually 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:56.480 decide to tell somebody how something they did made you feel. Yeah, 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.960 have you ever been made to feel like a monster, 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:02.720 like it's been switched around on you? 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.520 Oh? Absolutely, go ahead, I want you to say it. 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:13.280 My theme for the year for me is stop letting 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:20.840 people play in your face. Because of that reason, I'm 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.960 easy going. And it's not that I don't like confrontation. 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:25.400 It's like is it worth it? 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.520 Yeah? I don't like confrontations. 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:31.920 I don't who really does. 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:33.600 I don't know who it is right right? I'm think 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:36.800 anybody does. But we're not afraid of confident nobody's we're not. 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:38.560 We're not afraid of competition. 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.640 We're not afraid of Yes. 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.280 But you know what's really bad to see? I know 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:47.240 how bad I can be. The nice Kenny is nice 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.959 for a reason. I am and everybody in the industry 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.560 just about will tell you all, he's so nice, he's respectful. 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:58.160 But I'm one of those people that I know that 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.120 I could be something different. I know the thoughts that 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.800 come to this head, the thoughts that I have to kill, 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:09.160 like on a you know, consistently. Did they just say that, okay, 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.000 let me smile, let me bring them back to peace. 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.480 But the thought that came to mind was I'm getting 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:19.280 ready to say d you know. But again, that's knowing thyself, 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:23.240 being true to thine own self. But you're so right 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:27.880 that again, but giving yourself permission to say no. Depending 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.440 on your personality, may be a huge thing. There's some 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:35.359 people that are great already, who who thrive in understanding 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:39.000 who they are and understanding their position and articulating that. 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:44.360 But folks that like to see other people smile, which 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:48.720 is a lot of times, I think creatives, you know, 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:53.200 although we creators have a reputation of being divas too. 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:59.600 But there's some creatives who are like, no, the people 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.600 are here. My purpose and my job, this is how 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:04.680 I go at it. My purpose is to sing to 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:06.440 the hearts of women and the minds to men and 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:10.560 the minds of men to encourage them in love. That's 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:14.320 my purpose that I like my little mantra that I 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:16.920 put on my career. That's just my career, not my life, 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:21.120 but my career. So when I don't feel like singing, 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:23.360 I don't feel like getting up, I have to go 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.280 wait a minute. Got to live in purpose, Kenny. So 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:27.559 the hearts of women and the minds of men to 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:29.720 courage them in love. And I put that face back 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:33.080 on authentically, though I don't put it on faith. I 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.120 go back to give to them what I'm supposed to 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.000 give to them in that moment. And it can be 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.320 draining physically. It can be draining to give. Just like 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.640 if you have kids, or if you need to see 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:47.920 someone in the hospital or anything. You gotta just pull 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:51.560 yourself together for that moment. It's like that for some 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:55.080 of us creatives on a daily basis. We got when 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:56.560 we walk out the house. I know when you walk 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.080 out the house, there's a song that reminds me of 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.000 the song that it's a little different. It's a Jazzmine 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:11.079 Sullivan song. Yes, it's called scar yep. Well, even though 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.240 I don't have to put that scar on, but I 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:16.920 get it that that song is so dope because it 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.520 speaks to the life of an artist. So people that 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:21.640 are watching this when Michelle Williams has to go out 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.160 of house, out of the house, people aren't judging her 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.160 the same way as they're judging the average person, and 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.560 not judging Kenny Ladamo the way that they're judging the 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.360 average person. So sometimes you. 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.680 Got to put that mess gara on and something like 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.160 you can't go out there. You got that hair gotta 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:40.320 be shaved just right. That beard. We're expecting moisturialization on 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:47.440 the beard. We're expecting that smile and right, you know, 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.600 and because you know that, you know that could be pressure. 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:52.520 You're just trying to go get some blueberries and go 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.400 in and now right right, you know what I mean? 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:56.000 You know what I got beat up for at the 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.840 beginning of my career was like I got this sweatshirt 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:00.600 or that. People used to be like, we have the suit, 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.320 wear the suit. It was like the suits. Oh, I 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.160 gotta wear a suit every day because in the video. 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.720 At the suit on, well, can you contribute to all 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:12.800 my suits that I need to wear that on a 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:18.720 daily basis to please you? Okay? Can you imagine what 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:23.400 it takes to wear a suit every single day. Did 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.600 I hear you correctly when you mentioned not that this 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.560 has anything really to do with anybody? Did you say 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:29.600 divorce coach. 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:35.200 No, I'm not a divorced coach. I've been more a mentoring. 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.200 I've been doing speaking engagements and you're just my mentoring. 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.400 I go out and talk to you. However, I probably 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:48.920 could be maybe that maybe you speaking prophetically. No, I'm 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.400 gonna say this. I have some good knowledge. I have 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:58.000 some really good nuggets and knowledge in that space. I 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:02.280 really do. Uh So, nothing negative or shady at all 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:06.640 about that. Interesting that you that you say that because 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.120 I have some ideas as a matteric I was talking 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:13.200 to my wife about a format or a television show 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.800 or something that might help people. But we'll talk about 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:17.160 I want to. 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:26.680 Shout out to Lady Faith Jenkins love so much. We 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.480 thank y'all so much for sharing that part of your 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:30.760 life with us, the. 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.040 Wedding, the video, oh man. 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:39.120 The pregnancy and how is that for you this time 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.320 around marriage and fatherhood. 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:47.800 I am such a more evolved person again, I love 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:54.000 using that wordy fall. Where I've learned to approach the 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:57.600 baby differently. I've learned where to use my energy because 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.560 she's a girl. She's a girl. Oh my gosh, I'm 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.720 wrapped around her little pinky toe. I mean, I see 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.320 that face, but then she sees my face too, and 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:08.440 I could be like turned to the side or something, 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:10.360 and then I turned around and we catch eye contact 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:14.560 and sheesus is like she just lights up and it 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.160 is like the best thing ever is the absolute best 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:17.520 thing ever? 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.440 Oh am g Now you have a son. 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.480 Who have a son who's amazing grown twenty years old. 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.840 He's in college now, in his junior year, which I'm 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:34.160 excited for him about. That's another one. As a parent, 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.960 that's another era I can talk about. I've learned that 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.840 a child still has their own journey. You have the 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.160 most influence over your child, but they still have their 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.720 own journey, and you have to walk with them through 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:51.080 their journey, even when you don't like their decisions or 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:53.920 you're not in agreement with everything. Well maybe they're not 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.080 in agreement with you. How about that. You know you 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.560 have an agenda that's like, oh, I want you to 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:00.080 do this, I want you to go to college, what 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.120 you do, but you have to listen to them to 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.199 figure out what's important for them because my son is 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:10.639 also another creative. Most creatives don't want to go to school. 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.000 They're like, I want to create. And one thing I 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.879 told my son is I said, well, the timing and 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.480 the waiting getting back to that, we don't know what 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.439 your weight is going to be. What are you going 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:25.720 to do in the meantime? You don't like my parents 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:27.320 used to tell me, you need to have a fallback. 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.240 I used to hate that. What I'm not falling back? 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.080 I hated those words. So I never told him that. 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.360 But what do you do in the meantime while we're 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:39.119 waiting for the manifestation of your career? And I would say, hey, 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:43.200 why don't you do business so that you understand all 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:47.720 aspects of how to sustain yourself and make money outside 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.040 of me, so that as a man you're able to 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.480 stand on your own two feet, have ideas, finance ideas, 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:57.080 all those kind of things. And he listened. It was 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.399 a push and pull for a while, it really was. 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:03.480 But as a junior now he's able to see the 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:07.200 purpose in it a lot more, and he's also carving 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.840 his own path where he's like, Okay, I understand this 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:11.640 is what I can use what I can't use because 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:12.879 a lot of times when you don't want to be 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.600 in school, your thought is, this has no benefit to me. 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.399 I'm taking these crazy classes that don't have anything to 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.880 do with real life. And I told them also, I said, 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:23.320 this is going to be part of your narrative. Though 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.800 when you walk into a room, everybody has a narrative 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.040 and they have a story and a legacy. It's the 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:35.200 same reason why in America history is rewritten, rewritten by 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.920 different races of people and different classes of people, because 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.520 it keeps getting passed down and it's either going to 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:46.000 encourage those that come behind you or it's going to discourage. 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.919 So a lot of times we want a narrative that 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:53.119 puts us in the best life. So just like we 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:56.000 do that in history, I was like, this is your history. 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.080 You'll be able to say yep. I went ahead and 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:00.879 I got my degree in this what it meant to me, 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:04.200 and it'll encourage other people to be well rounded. It's 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:07.960 not that college is for everybody, school is for everybody. 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:13.040 Learning is for everybody. But I tried to just the 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:16.240 other piece was, as a parent, my son needed to 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:20.720 leave California, I thought, and be on the other side 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.280 of the world because it would teach him how to 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:29.520 be an independent person. Wow, so you watch you observe 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.040 all these kinds of things. What does my child really need? 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.560 And you try to just equip them with all of 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:36.560 those things. And we know we're not going to be perfect. 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:40.719 No parent is. We can't control their lives as much 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.159 as we try to. And a lot of times we're 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.639 trying to control them based on our own insecurities and 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.159 our ideas of who we thought we were going to 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:51.000 be that maybe we didn't become. And it's so many 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:55.000 different hang ups that we have as parents sometimes when 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.959 we look at our offspring. I want them to have 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:00.520 more than I had, Well, that's your hand up. They 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:02.960 may not even want more than you. Oh I want 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:05.359 them to have this opportunity. Oh yeah, that's okay. But 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.800 make sure that they want that opportunity, because if they don't, 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:11.280 you're gonna waste all this time and they're gonna squander 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:14.560 that opportunity. They're gonna just throw it away. And so 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.199 you've got to be really careful to listen and not 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:21.440 be completely absorbed as self absorbed as a parent when 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:24.000 you're trying to send them off to do whatever they're gonna. 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:27.200 Do, and ladies and gentlemen, this has been the life 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:32.240 masterclass Foby Kenny Lattimore. I haven't had to say a 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:36.639 word because I'm listening to you, learning myself and taking 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:41.119 so much in like you probably you probably could do 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:44.480 a cohort, some type of school, some type of coach, 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:49.440 and some marriage and relationship which you have so much 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:57.360 to offer. You have been investing in us for years. 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:02.240 When I say investing in us through your art, it's 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:08.880 an investment you giving. That's an investment. Thank you so 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:09.679 so much. 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:14.320 Well, I appreciate that comment because that is what I 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:20.280 have hoped as a servant artist and leader, is that 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:23.359 when people when I look back at my legacy and 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:25.080 I tell my narrative and they say, well, what do 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:26.320 you want you know, what do you want people to 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:28.680 say about you years from again, that it'll go back 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:32.040 to that I encourage people in love, whatever that meant. 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.840 Through every song, I thought about every song I was 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:39.200 going to sing, I thought about the lyric. I thought 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:42.400 about the power of my platform and how I would 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.800 present myself in front of these people so that they 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:48.880 would be encouraged. And that takes nothing away from those 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:50.800 who were just like, Nope, I'm an artist and I'm 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:55.000 just expressing myself. That's cool too. Yes, but I was 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:57.240 called I have to be I have to be accountable 0:21:57.280 --> 0:21:59.679 for what I was called too. And it's not a 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:04.160 judge against anyone else. But I know that I appreciate 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.400 that comp That is probably that's one of the highest 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:08.679 compliments I could get in my artistry. 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:13.240 Absolutely, and I pray that the people we us as consumers, 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:19.120 we have to know that creators. It's an investment, and 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:26.760 to invest sometimes is a sacrifice to invest. Investments are risky. Yeah, 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:32.720 you don't know that, ROI I'm going to speak, that's right, 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:36.119 but you do it knowing that. Okay, this is a 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:46.119 long term, long term investment. Investment. Speaking of long term investment, 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:50.920 one of my favorite investments you made is your Christmas album. Oh. 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:56.439 I know we are past the holiday season, but this 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:01.720 Christmas album I listened to a year round. 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:03.880 Oh thank you. 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:07.480 The two Christmas albums that I listened to year round 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:11.160 is your album and Handles Messiah Soulful. 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:16.080 Oh yeah, Quincy Jones, Oh yeah, you know what. Wow again, 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:22.080 what a great compliment on purpose. Aaron Lindsey and I 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:24.879 got together and we did that album for Motown Gospel. 0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:30.640 All of those components were important. I wanted to do 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:34.040 a Christmas album, but I wanted to specifically make a 0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:37.359 gospel project as well, and I wanted it to be 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:40.520 something that would live on past Christmas. It is and 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:41.360 you are. 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:48.399 It's anointed. The song I cry, Holy, and I'm glad 0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:52.040 that you let us in. I believe towards the end 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:55.040 you were having your own moment and y'all kept it 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:58.359 in the song. It's very faint, very. 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:02.280