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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to another episode. Today. We have a

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Speaker 1: special glass hailing from Flushing, New York I've ever heard of.

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Speaker 1: I had to look a look that up. Uh, the

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Speaker 1: work in HR for the NFL fans, but currently the

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Speaker 1: senior vice president of Player Operations in the National Football League,

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Speaker 1: one of the few women holding executive positions for the

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Speaker 1: Nashville Football League. Please help me. Welcome miss Tracy Perlman.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing trade? How are you well? Well,

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Speaker 1: I said it, you're from Flushing, New York. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: had to look that. That's the first time I ever

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Speaker 1: heard it in your background. But talk about growing up

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Speaker 1: in Flushing, New York. Um, so it's a part of Queens.

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Speaker 1: And I grew up in a very small um house

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Speaker 1: in Queens, went to Catholic grammar school, went on to

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Speaker 1: a Catholic high school UM named St. Francis prop and

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Speaker 1: sat for us. This prep is actually the high school

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Speaker 1: of Mint Lombardi. So I always tell everyone I was

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Speaker 1: meant to do that poster behind you. Um. So you know,

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Speaker 1: growing up in Queens, I went to dancing school every

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Speaker 1: single day after school. I was a cheerleader. Um. There

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Speaker 1: were a ton of players from the from the St.

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Speaker 1: Francis Prep football team that ended up in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League, Bill Piquel, Marco Battaglia, so just to name

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Speaker 1: a few. So I always say this was something I

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Speaker 1: was meant to do. Um and being a cheerleader, I

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Speaker 1: went to every single football game, and my dad, not

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Speaker 1: having any sons, he came to every single football game

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Speaker 1: to watch his cheerleader daughter. But at the same time

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Speaker 1: he taught me everything I learned and know about football.

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Speaker 1: So he set me off on this course because he

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Speaker 1: didn't have a son and he needed somebody to watch

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Speaker 1: the games with. You know what's interesting is the last

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Speaker 1: time I saw you was at the draft in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: And now now that you explain that you spent cheerlead,

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Speaker 1: it makes a whole lot of sense. Now, well that's it.

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Speaker 1: Well I'm gonna tell you, like, you know how some people,

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Speaker 1: the children's they're just everybody's part of the team, and

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Speaker 1: they're cheering people on, and and you go to the

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Speaker 1: green room or the dark whatever you call it, and

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Speaker 1: we're right there and she's just it's go, guys, everybody's

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Speaker 1: got it. You just every browllying the troops of so

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Speaker 1: to speak. And I was like, now I get it,

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Speaker 1: and that's that raw rock in exactly exactly well you

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Speaker 1: talked about it growing up. He was a cheerleader, and

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Speaker 1: now you kind of got this this football life, if

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Speaker 1: you will, that the hectic life. So did you compete?

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Speaker 1: Were you competitive as far as the cheerleading. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: when I was in high school, I was a cheerleader.

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Speaker 1: I was also going to dancing school in my whole life. Um,

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Speaker 1: and when I went to Hofstra, I was on the

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Speaker 1: dance team. And if you ever turn on ESPN and

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Speaker 1: you watch those dance team competitions, we were competing in

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Speaker 1: the competitions every year nationals. I then became the head

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Speaker 1: coach of the Hofstra dance team, so I coached for

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Speaker 1: ten years and we went to competition every year for

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Speaker 1: the ten years I coached, and we always placed in

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming that like when you were growing up, NFL

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Speaker 1: it's more it's more college. It's more of the collegiate following. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's more NFL from from your experience. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I remember watching Monday night football with my dad. Um,

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Speaker 1: and it came after That's Incredible on ABC, so you

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Speaker 1: every Monday night we watched NFL football and I think

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I was doing staying up at times,

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Speaker 1: And when I started working here and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: age myself again thirty years ago, how we long and

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Speaker 1: Joe Montana and Marcus Allen. These guys were all playing

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Speaker 1: now these men are people that I need to engage with,

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Speaker 1: so I am a gigantic Jets fan UM. The day

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Speaker 1: My entire four years at Hofstra. Wayne Kurbet and I

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Speaker 1: always be a Jet fan and remain age Jets fans. However,

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Speaker 1: it's really crazy to be at a Jet game cheering

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Speaker 1: for Tom Brady because everyone in the section is like,

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Speaker 1: It's like that old commercial with the Mina be Dolphin

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Speaker 1: class he entering college? You know, I'm assuming that wasn't

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Speaker 1: your course of study. Like you said, you became a

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Speaker 1: we get there to how you got your start, But

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Speaker 1: what worried? What was your intention at after high school?

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting. I was actually going to Hofstra for

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Speaker 1: I went to school for communications and journalism, and I

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Speaker 1: And I started to get really into the communications piece

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Speaker 1: not want to be and sportscaster, but that's where I

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Speaker 1: athletics oriented. So when you got to Hofstra, as you

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Speaker 1: a sportscaster communications, how did that branch over until you

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Speaker 1: end up being the coach of the team. So when

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Speaker 1: I was when I was dancing on the dance team

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Speaker 1: to be going through coaches very quickly, and when I graduated,

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Speaker 1: would love to do this? And they didn't realize, like,

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Speaker 1: I was working here and coaching for the first ten

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Speaker 1: So we didn't. We didn't win the national championship while

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Speaker 1: I was there. We came in the top three UM,

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Speaker 1: but we didn't win. And they actually reformatted the way

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Speaker 1: so you could be the hip hop national champ you

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Speaker 1: can be the jazz. When we did it, it was

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Speaker 1: what you're saying, you can out dance all three of us.

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Speaker 1: That's what. I'm not sure if I can out dance

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Speaker 1: you anymore. And maybe I can have yoga you. Now

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Speaker 1: I can definitely yoga you. I'm gonna start politicing for

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Speaker 1: you to be Dancing with the Stars. No trace, I

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Speaker 1: got solf feet, Hey I was. I'm making a campaign

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Speaker 1: Chasy Pearlman for dancing with this because I booked Emmett Smith,

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Speaker 1: the Stars. None of them ever knew my dance. Back

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Speaker 1: about to make some phone calls. We're gonna let them

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Speaker 1: know he got that background. But you know one they

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Speaker 1: a sidebar moment. The fact that Joe Nameth was at

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Speaker 1: have a different name. Yeah, Yeah, let's go with Tracy.

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Speaker 1: Tracy is a lot there. So you, as you mentioned

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Speaker 1: And during that time, I was trying to really sort

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Speaker 1: Football League and working in HR was probably the best

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Speaker 1: and that's where I got to start to learn more

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Speaker 1: all that kind of marinate into what you are today?

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00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: So you're essentially as a coach, I am dealing with

431
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 1: everything that the athlete needs, everything from helping them transition in,

432
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: helping them transition out, helping them with every situation going

433
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: on on campus, helping them make sure that they're not

434
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: violating any policies, helping That's what I do with the

435
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: National Football So my job and Player Operations is to

436
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: ensure that players transition into the league is smooth, their

437
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: transition out of the league is smooth, and that while

438
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: they are in the league, they're being educated and developed

439
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: so that there are three person they're not just this

440
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: athlete that people see and don't think they're anything else.

441
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: There and everything that I did as a coach of

442
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: the dance team for those women, that's what I do

443
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: for these men every single day, and all I care

444
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: about is making an impact on their lives and ensuring

445
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: that they know there's somebody who trust and cares about

446
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: them on the other side. And I built that from

447
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: teaching dance and coaching. I'm gonna say, just from a

448
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: former player's perspective who didn't realize or even had a

449
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: chance while I was planning to meet you until after

450
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm done. And I feel like the NFL is doing

451
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: better with developing programs and systems like you're discussing. But

452
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: just tell you, from my standpoint, I appreciate it because

453
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: when you're out there playing, you know, for like, nobody

454
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: cares you just at there trying to get your check

455
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: because they're trying to get their check and just trying

456
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: to do for as long as you can. And to

457
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: hear that there's somebody that's worried about the three sixty

458
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: view of an athlete, I mean, it's just refreshing to

459
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: hear that. Because I'm gonna tell Joey play with I know,

460
00:26:58,800 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: I think you know who. Joey is not going to

461
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,239
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that, but I don't know if

462
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: he feels any different than what I felt like. But

463
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: I just felt like we were on our own. We

464
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: had to figure it out. So that transitioning out. I've

465
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: been pretty fortunate to do okay transitioning, but that's not

466
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: always the case. And so that's going to be my

467
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: next point of emphasis. You got another you want to

468
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: bring something? Yeah, I just I mean, with that being said,

469
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: this is a this is a big question and you

470
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: can attack it, have it. You know which way you

471
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: want to do it For a young player? What what

472
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: are something of the pitfalls you see as a young

473
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: player coming into the league and some of the pitfalls

474
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: that you see from a veteran. That's that's trying to

475
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: make that transition out of. And that's tracesful because I'm

476
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: at one point I want to make is the money

477
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: is a lot better now, so if that transition might

478
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: not be the same conversation it was ten fifteen years. Yeah,

479
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: So and that's the interesting part being here for thirty years.

480
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: The transition and the athlete is so different. You know,

481
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: the average age in the locker room now is about

482
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: so you don't have a ton of veterans in the locker.

483
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: But what I think, and it's interesting because now we

484
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: talked to the prospects very early on and we actually

485
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: host a webinar for every single rookie. The week after

486
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: the draft, So we just did it um you know,

487
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: two wednesdays ago, five hundred and forty six rookies were

488
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: on the call and Chris Carter was the host and

489
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: the whole Paul is about avoiding these pitfalls. It's about

490
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: being able to say no to people that you are

491
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: not used to saying no to. It's about understanding that

492
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: when you transition into the league you are used to

493
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: being number one. There are now how many other guys

494
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: at that position who are ahead of you? And not

495
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: everybody is going to be there to help you. Also,

496
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: you've got these guys coming in who made X amount

497
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: of money from n I L deals. When you walk

498
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: into that league, you that's no longer. You're starting over,

499
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: and we want to make sure and we do a

500
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: lot of situational education. Do you have the right people

501
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: around you? Do you know when to say no? Do

502
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: you know what to do financially now that all of

503
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: a sudden you've had this windfall? You know do you

504
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: actually need when? Are you ready to buy a house

505
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: in this city? Do you understand that you are fighting

506
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: for your job every single day? This is not like

507
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: anybody else's transition. So I think that you know, the

508
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: biggest pitfall is really understanding your circumstance and knowing how

509
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: to react to it and what we what we tell

510
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: all of these guys, the head of player engagement at

511
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 1: your team, that is your trusted resource. You can go

512
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: to that person for anything. It is confidential. They will

513
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: take care of you. They are your trusted resource. You

514
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: can call us. There's always somebody on the other end

515
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: of the phone. The other thing is that things now

516
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: in respect to mental health, we want to make sure

517
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: that you know there's a clinician at your team. So

518
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: I think that the biggest pitfall is not knowing everything

519
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: that's around you from a resource perspective, and again not

520
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: understanding your own circumstance. You know, Obviously, twenty years ago

521
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: when I was my last playing I guess it's almost

522
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: been twenty years. It's not quite get no, but but

523
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: it wasn't as prominent as it is now. We were

524
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: just getting started with having those rookie symposiums. I think

525
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: I went to like third one um some of the

526
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: stuff that your resources. I think what I've appreciate now

527
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: the league is starting to listen to what their players

528
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: are saying in the bargaining agreements including some of those things.

529
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: And the newer, younger guys are benefiting from some of

530
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: the guys, just like I benefited from the guys before me.

531
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: But one thing I wanted to point out is how

532
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: do you feel the engagement for former players has been? Now,

533
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: I will say this, um, as far as like the

534
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: NFL Trust and some of the other things I have benefited.

535
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: The NFL Trust pretty much paid for my doctorate for

536
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: me go back to school. Um, And just by whim

537
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: how I found that out. So again, I get the emails,

538
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: and I guess so many emails. A lot of times

539
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: I skimmed through them, right, you know. But however, you

540
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: felt the engagement piece, because that's a big part of

541
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: your job, has been especially with the older crowd, the

542
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: older guys. So being here for thirty years is actually

543
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: really helpful because when guys see my name, they say,

544
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: Bobby Bristol call. He said, Tracy, is this you? Yea?

545
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: I said, I am still here. He said, well, it

546
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: makes me feel a little bit better about opening the

547
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: news less. Um, the engagement has actually been really good.

548
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,959
Speaker 1: So when we launched the Legends community, they were all

549
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: these databases we could have just put everyone in. We

550
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: actually make you register, so you actually physically have to

551
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: go in and register to be a member of the

552
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: Legends community. Twelve thousand Legends, twelve thousand former players have

553
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: registered UM. And the way we really look at the engagement.

554
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: The newsletter that you get from me every month, it's

555
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: got a sixty five open rate, so the guys are

556
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: reading it and we are engaging. Not only that way,

557
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: but we're engaging. We have social media account, there's an app,

558
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: so there's a Legends Community app that you can download

559
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: on your phone. We send out mailings. We try to

560
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: engage with you where you are, meaning if you want hardmail,

561
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: I'll stand your hardmail. If you want social media, you

562
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: can go on social If you want the app, you

563
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: can go on the app. UM. We also have twenty

564
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: four Legends who work for us that Thomas Davis started

565
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: working for us. The day after he retired from the

566
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: National Football League. I handed him a list of every

567
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: single player who was recently retired. He called every single one.

568
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: He had a conversation with every player, and so the

569
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: idea is that you're going to have the conversation. The

570
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: engagement we know has been really good because the number

571
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: of players who are who are utilizing the resources and

572
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: benefits just continues to go up. UM the dedicated hospital

573
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: network that recently launched after the two collective collective bargaining agreement.

574
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: It launched in September, and something like three thousand players

575
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: maybe more at this point have actually called and engaged

576
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: with the concierge service. So we're we're making headway. And

577
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: we always say, you guys are our best advocates. If

578
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: you know about us, tell everybody else. Go on your

579
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: phone and say you are you in Madrilla Legends community,

580
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 1: because all we want to do is make sure that

581
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: you're using the benefits that you've earned. A lot of

582
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: guys say to me, I understand what's your end game.

583
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: My end game is to make sure that you're being

584
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: taken care of and that you're really being honored for

585
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: playing this game, because you deserve everything that we're offering.

586
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: And I will go anywhere and everywhere and say it.

587
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: I travel around the country. The thirty two clubs bring

588
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: me in to talk to their legends. UM all thirty

589
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: two clubs host events, and every year we go to

590
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: as many of them as we can. So I think

591
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: we're seeing a lot more engagement. The other thing is

592
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: as guys retire, now they know we're here. So Thomas

593
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: Davis called me, he said, I'm retiring. What are you doing?

594
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: I said, I'm hiring you tomorrow. Stephen Jackson called me

595
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: when he was retiring. Larry Fitzgerald and I have been

596
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: going back and forth, even though he won't say he's retired.

597
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: So you know, guys know us from the engagement that

598
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: we've had. So my hope is that now it's a

599
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: little bit more of a seamless transition out. We host

600
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: an event called the Welcome where we actually bring in

601
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: players who have retired and we take them through every

602
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: single benefit and know whether or not you want to

603
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: wait five years to engage or you're ready now, We're

604
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: here for you, no matter what and no matter when.

605
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: From a from a current player perspective, do you think

606
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: the trust is getting better? And the reason why I

607
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: say that, you know, again, Kevin and I played a

608
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: long time ago, but you know when we when we

609
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: played that initiative initiative of of having a taxi or

610
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: a cab pick a player up if he's out having

611
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: a good time. A lot of players didn't take advantage

612
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: of that because they didn't trust the fact that, Okay,

613
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: the team knows that I'm out at three o'clock in

614
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: the morning and they know this and that, UM I

615
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: think I think I'm assuming the trust is better, right

616
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: because you know you brought into you brought into mental

617
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: health peace and and you know clubs having condicitions there

618
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: that players can talk to UM them about their their

619
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: issues whatever. UM do you see that that trust getting better?

620
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: Do do you feel that that way? UM? I so,

621
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: And I look the so I was in marketing and

622
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: Troy Vincent came to me at one point and said,

623
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: I need somebody who's going to build a player partnership.

624
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: I need somebody who cares about this enough. And so

625
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: when I moved over to football operations under Troy and

626
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: we started player operations, the mission of our department is

627
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: to build a community of trust, care, fairness and support

628
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: around players. And I tell every player that who walks

629
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: into this office, and I think current players will tell you.

630
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: I tend to call them and say, this is what

631
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: we're thinking. What do you think? And if they say, hey,

632
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: you're going in the wrong direction, pivot. We pivot. And

633
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 1: the example I'll give you is a few years ago,

634
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: we were in a meeting and it was all executives

635
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: in me and we're having a conversation about Pro Bowl

636
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: and all of these senior staff people are saying all

637
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: this stuff about Pro Bowl and I'm texting player is

638
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: during the call and I'm like, what do you think

639
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: about this? And I'm like, nope, Angel Lapp doesn't like that.

640
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Nope? Cam Jordan said

641
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: no to that. They're like, what are you doing? I said,

642
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm asking the players, So we should be asking the players.

643
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: So we actually set up a call with a team

644
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: players and let them tell us what to do with

645
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. And that's where dodgeball came from. Joe Thomas

646
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: was like, I want to play dodgeball and j J.

647
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: Watt said to me, Trace, we're building a playground. And

648
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: you have me in my jersey. It's nineties something degrees

649
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: in Hawaii. Can I wear a T shirt? Like? Simple things?

650
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: And I think they know now that we are going

651
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: to make our reach and say them, are we doing

652
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: this right? Should we be doing something else? What is

653
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: your opinion? How can we make this better? And when

654
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: I came over to Troy's group. I said to Troy,

655
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk into every meeting I'm in at the

656
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: National Footbotball League, and my first question is going to

657
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: be what's the value to the player. I know everybody

658
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: else is talking about here's what fans get, Here's what

659
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: benefit does the player get from this? And everybody in

660
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: this building sees me coming into their meeting, and now

661
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: they're all like, Trace, I can tell you exactly what

662
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: the player is going to get from this. And you know,

663
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: we built with the social media team. We built away

664
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 1: where players could get content from us for their own

665
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: social media hands. Players see value of that. So we

666
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: did their say their stories. I don't know if you

667
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: remember when everything happened with with social justice and the

668
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: names on the back of the helmets. The players said,

669
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about myself. I want to

670
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: talk about these victims and give a face to this victim.

671
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: So if you're going to do features, I want to

672
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: be the voice. I don't want this story to be

673
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: about me. And if you look at those features, the

674
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: features are about the victims in the voice of the player.

675
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: So my hope is that we're building trust because we

676
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: really do care and we're always on the other end

677
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: of the phone, and I always tell them you can

678
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: call me for anything. I may not have the answer

679
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: you want, but I'm gonna give you the answer transparently,

680
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: and we'll work on how to get to where you

681
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: need to be. Let me, I'm sorry to let me.

682
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: Let me ask you. So, you know, with the whole

683
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: social justice thing and and we we've had other athletes

684
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: on here, and the whole shut up and dribble thing

685
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: came up, and I know you're you're deep, knee deep

686
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: and all that when it was going on a few

687
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: years ago. And I think it sounds like from your perspective,

688
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: you are trying to give the voice, if you will,

689
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: to the players, given them more of a voice. And I,

690
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: just from my own experience, didn't always feel like that

691
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: was the case. It was more or less, we're here

692
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: to entertain and we're you know, Marcus a realist. Are

693
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: you not entertained? That was us. We were just there

694
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: to entertain you. But the rest of it, we weren't

695
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: there to speak on political um things going on in

696
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: the presidential elections, or social injustices or whatever. Do you

697
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: how do how are you? Or the NFL in that matter,

698
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: balancing that and maybe in comparison to the other professional

699
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: leagues and and how they're able or maybe presenting wearing

700
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: T shirts or kneeling are different things for what's going on.

701
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: How is the NFL or your department specifically navigated that.

702
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: You know, working for Troy is interesting because Troy always

703
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: says to me, well, let's talk to the players, like

704
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: we need to get player feedback. I don't ever want

705
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: to walk into a meeting and it's just this is

706
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: what we think. And so we've been able to open

707
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: that up. And there is a social justice committee here.

708
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: It includes owners and players as well as the p

709
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: a UM. We also host social justice roundtables throughout the country.

710
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: So for the draft, we hosted one at Allegiance Stadium

711
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:57,959
Speaker 1: with Legends, players and the club. So I would say

712
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: for us, this is a partnership and social justice is

713
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: the biggest one of the biggest parts of that partnership.

714
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: And Anna Isaacson's department, along with Troy's group, we really

715
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: work to ensure that whatever we put out there is

716
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: something that the players feel good about and that they

717
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: know that we are not reacting what we're trying to

718
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 1: do is proactively work with them to make change. And

719
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: the amount of money that we donated, we talked about

720
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: it a lot, but we've partnered with some amazing UM

721
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: corporations like the Dream Corporation, with some amazing causes that

722
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: players are associated with. At the same time, the Player's

723
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: Coalition was launched by Anton Bolden. Players are involved in

724
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: the Players Coalition UM, and then you've got voices like

725
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: Kelvin Beecham, who not only does he do what he

726
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: needs to do with the Players Coalition, he also does

727
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: things on his own. When he was playing in in

728
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: New York, I don't know if you remember, there was

729
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: a water shortage in Newark. He called me and said,

730
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: I want to give a case of water for every

731
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: single bottle of water that is bought during the Jets game.

732
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: And I was like, what he said, how do I

733
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: do that? And we got him partnered with PepsiCo and

734
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: Aqua Fina did what he asked. And so our entire

735
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: points as the National Football League is to hopefully move

736
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: forward what the players see as the vision of how

737
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: do we get through this whole social justice piece together

738
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: to make the biggest change we can Because of the

739
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: platform that the National football he has at the other

740
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: sports are the other sports we don't work the way

741
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: they do, and our platform just seems to grow tremendously

742
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: every season. So with that being said, it's kind of

743
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: goes back to what I was going to ask you.

744
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: So you've been there for thirty years and some of

745
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: the things you you justin. But you've seen a lot

746
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: of stuff come, a lot of stuff go, a lots

747
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: of stuff good, lots of bad. What would you say

748
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: in those thirty years if you had to pick one thing?

749
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: What's your proudest moment from from being in the NFL

750
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: UM canceling games after nine eleven canceling games after not

751
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: eleven UM. I was in the building UM when the

752
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: first plane hit and we were in a meeting and

753
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: it was on the television and everything was happening, and

754
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: it was it was it was crazy what was going on.

755
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: And I remember the other sports announced that they were

756
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: going to play, and Commissioner Tagley, but we were all

757
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: sitting in a room and at the same time, the Jets,

758
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: I guess, we're in the locker room and Curtis Martin

759
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: and Vinney test Severity essentially told the Jets were not

760
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: playing like we're not going to play, like even if

761
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: the National Football League says we're playing, it's not happening UM.

762
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: And they called the Commissioner's office and he was he said,

763
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: this is this is right, like we should not we

764
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: should not be playing UM after not eleven. This country

765
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: needs a break, and he made the announcement in all

766
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: of the other leagues followed, and when we came back

767
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: that next week, I'll never forget having to source one

768
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: point six million small American flags to get to every

769
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: single stadium in the National Football League for when we

770
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: came back, and if you remember, every single person was

771
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: waving one of those flags, and we did a Marry

772
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: j Blige America The Beautiful, and a bon Jovia America

773
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: The Beautiful with the um where the towers used to

774
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: be standing in the background. And we then proceeded to

775
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: to to do the Super Bowl halftime with you two,

776
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: honoring all of the victims of not eleven. And so

777
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: I would say that is the proudest moment I've had

778
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: at the NFL. I knew several people who died in

779
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: the towers and and it was it was it was

780
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: a moment that I will never forgot that's that's I

781
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: appreciate you sharing that store because as a player obviously

782
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: sitting out that week and didn't getting back into the

783
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 1: national anthem and you've seen those flags, you don't think

784
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: of the process that it took to get to that point.

785
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 1: You just beneficiary and watching everybody's emotional moment of waving

786
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: the flag in there, and didn't hear your perspective from

787
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: from the inside. Man that I appreciate you sharing that.

788
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: UM yeah, something um from from your seat? Um, Like,

789
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,959
Speaker 1: what's what's the most enjoyable um aspect of your job?

790
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: And maybe you know one of the challenges of your job,

791
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's there's so many amazing things that

792
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: I get to do. It's hard to say that, but

793
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: I'll tell you when we named the All Time Team

794
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: player on the All Time Team, that to me was

795
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: one of the most unbelievable moments ever. And I got

796
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: to talk to every single player on the All Time

797
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: Team and say, hey, we're going to be bringing you

798
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: and this is what's going to happen, and and walking

799
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: out on the field and watching every single one of

800
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: those players be announced. It was one of those things

801
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 1: I almost felt like I was on the team and

802
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: you know, having players come up to me and say,

803
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: you know, you're probably the only person of all of

804
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: us that knows every single one of us because they've

805
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: been here for thirty years. So I worked with every

806
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: single player that was on the All Time Team. I

807
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: knew the families of the deceased because I had worked

808
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: with you know, I had worked with Willie Brown for

809
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: such a long time. And to be able to comfort

810
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: his daughter by having her there and honoring her in

811
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: in in honor of her father, like, those moments were

812
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 1: unbelievable to me. And you know, doing that in Super

813
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: Bowl MVPs and Men of the Year, like seeing the

814
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: impact that these guys have on each other and the

815
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,439
Speaker 1: lives of other people is is amazing and it's it's

816
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 1: definitely the thing that I that I love the most. Well,

817
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: speaking of impact, you know, as I mentioned, we were

818
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: trying to get you on for the month of March

819
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: for the Women's And obviously you're in a male dominated

820
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: field or role and you've been there for a long

821
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: time longevity, and do you ever feel that pressure to

822
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: be above and beyond, like be something different because you

823
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 1: are paving the way as you mentioned, you've brought people

824
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: alongside you that they have probably wouldn't maybe know how

825
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: the opportunity had you not been so successful. As Do

826
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: you feel that pressure sometimes or have you viewed that

827
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 1: pressure at times? You know, I always felt like I

828
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: needed to be one step of one step ahead and

829
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: and better than my male counter parts. I always felt

830
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: like that, Um, And especially in the area I'm in

831
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: now when it comes to players, I think that most

832
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: people say to me, wait a minute, you're in charge

833
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: of everything for the players, what do you mean? And

834
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: I think that this is this is a very different space.

835
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: And and I'll give you an example for player engagement specifically.

836
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: For years, you know, we've been hosting player engagement meetings

837
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: and there would be one or two women in the

838
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: room other than me. UM. And this year there were

839
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: twelve women in the room. Wow. And you know two

840
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: of them are actually the heads of player engagement for

841
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: their clubs, one of the Atlanta Falcons and one of

842
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: the New York Giants. So I think that we're making headway.

843
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: That you need the best person for the job, and

844
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: the best person for the job maybe it's a woman.

845
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: You know, we're trying to get you in Weltering on

846
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 1: the end of you very familier with Gin and Dr Walker.

847
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: I really invested in her store because you know, you're

848
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: doing it from a personnel or a player engagement standpoint.

849
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: She's on the ground level. And then as far as

850
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: being a trailblazer as a coach, and I just wondered

851
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: from your perspective, and you have been a trailblazer in

852
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: respectively seeing somebody like Dr Welter or some of these

853
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: other ladies you're mentioning with the Falcons and whatnot, does

854
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: that do your heart good? Like you're just like man like, yeah,

855
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: Tina Tuggle and some of these others. Yes, you you have.

856
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: Like I said when I was standing out there, and

857
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: the best part was Troy was the one who leans

858
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: over and he said to me, do you see how

859
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: many women are in this road? And you know, even

860
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: I work with the officials as well, so to see

861
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: women in officiating. You know, when I told people that

862
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: I was going to be working at the National Football League,

863
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: they said, well, what are you going to be doing

864
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: talking on the sideline? M said, no, I'm actually And

865
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: then when I moved over to football operations, people are like,

866
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: wait a minute you're working in football, and I'm like, yes,

867
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: I am not the marketing person, I am not the

868
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: pr person. I am the head of player operations. So

869
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: to see women on the field and getting the chance

870
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: be the most and the best that they can be,

871
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: like if you are if you are the right person,

872
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: you're the right person. And I would hope that that

873
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: is open to women across football. Yeah, and I'm seeing

874
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 1: Amy Apples Trump. She's in a male world as the

875
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: majority owner and doing it well herself. So man, But

876
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there are there are so many women that

877
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: you could look up to here, Renie Anderson, Um, there

878
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: are so many women here that our mentors for other

879
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: women and are open to help pay it forward. I

880
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: just hope people are taking advantage of it. I absolutely agree.

881
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: But I guess before we let you go, let me

882
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: talk about what's next. Were you've been in the game

883
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: for thirty years. I know when Tom Brady retired, I

884
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: was like, wait, maybe I should retire, and then he

885
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: said back, that's what I'm gonna have to tell him.

886
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: That's gonna be the next package deal. Like when you go,

887
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: I go. So he you know, I stayed to try

888
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: all the time for me just continuing to to make

889
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: this impact. You know, I just I just moved over

890
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: to Troy's group UM about four and a half years ago.

891
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: So this started as a Okay, what are we gonna do?

892
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: And now it's player operations, And I think for me,

893
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: what's next is really solidifying the partnership between players in

894
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: the league as well as the partnership between the union

895
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 1: and the league. We worked with Don Davis so closely.

896
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: It's so nice to have counterparts at the Union and

897
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: know that we all care about the same thing. And

898
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: I think for us, it's really cleaning up the space

899
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: and making sure that everything that players have from a

900
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: resource and benefit perspective is easy for them to use

901
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 1: and for us to communicate, and players want to be here.

902
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: I you know, the interesting thing, Kevin is now we

903
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: invite players to come to the office, and when they

904
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: come in the office, we do a whole how to

905
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: build your brand, and then we let them tell us

906
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: who they want to meet with. So I've had people

907
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: who say I need to meet with John Runney and

908
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: he find me ten times last year. I have people

909
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: who want to meet with officiating, people who want to

910
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 1: meet with Troy, people who want to meet sponsorship, and

911
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: we are pretty much an open book. And I feel like,

912
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, that is where five years from now, I

913
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: wanted to be where players feel like this is their

914
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: home and that the league office is here simply to

915
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: support them. Well, Tracy, we absolutely appreciate you in time,

916
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: but before we let you go, we do a little

917
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: segment of this and that, and you try to figure

918
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 1: out your preference and so almost I'm gonna start us off,

919
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: and mind is a little bit on the hypothetical side.

920
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: But since you talk about you the dance coach and

921
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: you close, she didn't quite get that national title. And

922
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: you're a Jets fan. They have one national title since

923
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: Joe named Jets Jets without prayer about them girls, no

924
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: more Jets. Wow, that was easy. Girls. Pay for the

925
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's I'm not gonna say the term, but she

926
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: basically said, those kids. All right, if some of your

927
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: ladies and listened to this show, she still loved y'all,

928
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 1: but that Jet title would me need a whole lot. Okay,

929
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: So Michael George kids, Tracy Man, all right, so if

930
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: you had you have, you get to have dinner with

931
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: one person. Okay, Now I know you said you went

932
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: to the same high school as Lombardi, your dad was

933
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: when you were born. You were born in the hospital

934
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: where Joe Namath was. You get to have dinner with

935
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: just one of those guys? Which one are you picking? Wait,

936
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: Lombardi or Joe. Yes, I've had dinner with Joan Emos,

937
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 1: So I'm going on the show. Just push your mody.

938
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: How was a slight flex? Yeah, you already done that

939
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: when I'm doing muscles popped out? All right? I had one.

940
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: So we talked about, um, you know, players coming into

941
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: the league and players transitioning out of the league. Um

942
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: what what do you think it's more important to try

943
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: to educate these guys when they first come in or

944
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 1: the the latter stages of that. Players, we're educating them

945
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: on you know, life outside of football, I think, and

946
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: based on now, I think it's when they're coming in,

947
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: because you never know when. Yeah, so I think it's

948
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: when they're coming in and we're drying, we're doing our best. Yeah. Well, man, Tracy,

949
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I know you're busy, and this

950
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: is a busy time of year. We're getting O, T,

951
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: A S and training coming up, and the schedule just

952
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: came out and there's a lot going on, so thank

953
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: you for taking some time. And it was into your

954
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: day out there in the East Coast. You're trying to

955
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: get home and chill, but thank you so much for

956
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: taking time. Thank you. It's fun. Yeah, I hope you

957
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: have fun. Thank you so much. I did. Good night,

958
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: good night.