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Speaker 2: I hope everyone is doing all right in the midst
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Speaker 2: Even Jamie just checking in here really quick to remind
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Speaker 2: of time that these two combined, but perhaps not before
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Speaker 2: June tenth, twenty twenty four, by one Hailey Welch of Belfast, Tennessee.
Speaker 6: What's one move in bed that makes a man go
Speaker 6: crazy every time?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 2: You gotta give him that hawk. Dude spent all that night,
Speaker 2: Hailey Welch the Hawk to a girl. Your sixteenth minute
Speaker 2: starts now Joy.
Speaker 6: Sixteen.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to sixteenth minute the podcast where we take
Speaker 2: a look at the internet's characters of the day and
Speaker 2: see how their moment affected them and what their moment
Speaker 2: says about us and the Internet. And this week, I
Speaker 2: unknowingly bit off a little more than I could chew,
Speaker 2: something that has certainly never happened before and definitely won't again.
Speaker 2: But indeed, what began as a lighthearted attempt to profile
Speaker 2: a young woman from Tennessee who went viral for talking
Speaker 2: about sucking dick after a bar crawl at Nashville has
Speaker 2: since become a life consuming, algorithm shattering operation, one that
Speaker 2: has overshadowed my own engagement. I'm dead serious. The morning
Speaker 2: after we got engaged, I told the man, I'm going
Speaker 2: to marry the love of my life. No, I can't
Speaker 2: take today off, babe, I need to watch all twelve
Speaker 2: hours of Talk to. But I did find that while
Speaker 2: I didn't speak with Hailey Welch for reasons that will
Speaker 2: become obvious, but in short, she's still haunted by a
Speaker 2: black cloud of potential legal action and an uncertain future.
Speaker 2: I realized that I can't even guarantee that her fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes of fame are up, but there's no doubt that
Speaker 2: she was the main character of the Internet in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four, and I haven't really seen anyone else try
Speaker 2: to take a closer look at how this fame developed,
Speaker 2: because while there's no shortage of media about Haley, I
Speaker 2: haven't found anything that's comprehensive or doesn't seem to have
Speaker 2: an explicit agenda of either lifting her up for personal
Speaker 2: profit or ironically pushing her down because it's easy. And
Speaker 2: the more I learned about Haley, the more I found
Speaker 2: that she's not just very human, but she's a fascinating
Speaker 2: case study for these specific exploitations and scams that a
Speaker 2: vulnerable subject is going to be tempted by, and when
Speaker 2: not surrounded by the right people, can be talked to
Speaker 2: it into doing some pretty bad stuff. This multi part
Speaker 2: series is going to be a look at this saga
Speaker 2: about a twenty two year old growing up in an
Speaker 2: unstable environment in the Deep South during a time where
Speaker 2: American culture grew increasingly polarized, politicized, divided by glass.
Speaker 1: And completely online.
Speaker 2: And even though I haven't personally talked to Haley, in
Speaker 2: the six months or so of her hyperrelevance, she did
Speaker 2: a lot of interviews both in the mainstream in center
Speaker 2: to write media outlets, and on her own social media
Speaker 2: accounts from Instagram to x which she calls it so
Speaker 2: I will too, Snapchat, TikTok, and her own podcast, which
Speaker 2: at one point was much more successful than this one,
Speaker 2: Talk to on the Better Network, otherwise known as the
Speaker 2: media arm of a Jake Paul led sports gambling company. Huh,
Speaker 2: and so at many points in this episode, I'm going
Speaker 2: to let Haley Way in because I'll say it. I'm
Speaker 2: a bit of a completionist, and I believe I am
Speaker 2: the first and only person to have watched every single
Speaker 2: second of Talk to Us.
Speaker 3: When the hell did you have Bobby Lee on the podcast?
Speaker 9: What?
Speaker 6: Hey? It was far away in my.
Speaker 1: Is it photoshop?
Speaker 9: I don't know?
Speaker 6: Did you have him on your podcast?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 1: Do you know who that is?
Speaker 6: I don't know who he is?
Speaker 9: Who is that?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I know?
Speaker 9: Something actually done a zoom in North Korea a few
Speaker 9: weeks ago. Huh.
Speaker 2: It has unquestionably been a wild year for Haley. This
Speaker 2: time last year, she was working at a factory in
Speaker 2: her hometown, and right now it's still a popular question
Speaker 2: of whether she's going to be brought to court for
Speaker 2: becoming the face of a pretty egregious crypto scam.
Speaker 4: I have questions.
Speaker 6: I have questions. I'm raised my hand. Hey, this is
Speaker 6: one of the most miserable, horrible launches I've ever seen
Speaker 6: in my life.
Speaker 2: But to begin, if I may get on Jamie's little soapbox.
Speaker 2: While it would be easy to take this opportunity to
Speaker 2: dunk on Haley, and I'm not even saying people haven't
Speaker 2: done that in a funny way, they definitely have. This
Speaker 2: is a more complicated story than we're giving it credit for.
Speaker 2: And I figure, if I'm showing empathy to x in
Speaker 2: Cells on this show, I feel like it's my responsibility
Speaker 2: to try and understand where she's coming from, because, in
Speaker 2: one sense, it would be infantilizing of me to suggest
Speaker 2: that Haley has no idea what she's doing, that she
Speaker 2: isn't aware that she is participating as the face of
Speaker 2: a crypto scam, is at least risky, if not outright wrong.
Speaker 2: But I also know that it's a cultural tendency to
Speaker 2: take a young woman who fits a number of stereotypes
Speaker 2: and push the entirety of an illegal scam onto a
Speaker 2: person who, so at this time last year, was in
Speaker 2: a working class job, and had never been on a
Speaker 2: plane before. So for this series, I will need you
Speaker 2: to join me in having more than one thing be true.
Speaker 2: Hailey is an adult, and she's young, vulnerable, and navigating
Speaker 2: a completely new environment full of people with a vested
Speaker 2: interest in misrepresenting things for personal profit. Something that becomes
Speaker 2: clear if you take the time to listen to not
Speaker 2: just what Hailey says, but to how others speak to
Speaker 2: and represent her. I have no idea what is going
Speaker 2: to happen with Hailey and this crypto fallout. I have
Speaker 2: no idea If, like many are speculating and is very
Speaker 2: common in crypto scams, she completely gets off the hook
Speaker 2: for this. Maybe she'll want to continue to try to
Speaker 2: maintain this fame, or maybe the whole thing will have
Speaker 2: been traumatic enough that she'll want out. It seems like
Speaker 2: she and I have considerably different politics, very different stances
Speaker 2: on big stuff like AI and fucking Elon Musk and NFTs,
Speaker 2: you name it. I think she's pushed some pretty noxious shit,
Speaker 2: but I don't think that she is the puppet master here.
Speaker 2: She's the face, and thinking the problem is solved by
Speaker 2: making her disappear doesn't accomplish anything. Regardless of what you
Speaker 2: think about her. Everyone who empowered this kind of scam
Speaker 2: will do it again. And if Haley's association with the
Speaker 2: Paul Brothers is any indicator, people who have been put
Speaker 2: through the same ringer she has are all too happy
Speaker 2: to do it to someone else if there's money in
Speaker 2: it for them. The threshold for mockery and failure is
Speaker 2: so low, and honestly, this might even be the parasocial
Speaker 2: relationship that I have forged with Haley from watching twelve
Speaker 2: hours of talk To and a bunch of other interviews
Speaker 2: from some of the most successful and boring podcasts ever
Speaker 2: committed to the form, like hearing Whitney Cummings say this
Speaker 2: at the end of the pilot of Talk To a
Speaker 2: maybe want to blow my head off?
Speaker 1: This is what a podcast is. I always leave a
Speaker 1: podcast being like, was that anything? But like, it's just
Speaker 1: two people kicking it. But that's the Internet, right.
Speaker 2: No one has the time or the desire to get
Speaker 2: to know a person, and that's fine, you've got a life,
Speaker 2: but that you'd still make the time to tear down
Speaker 2: a stranger as a sign of the end times without
Speaker 2: interrogating why you even know she exists? While there's a
Speaker 2: million end time reasons that that is. Whether it's surveillance
Speaker 2: TikTok channels, hanging outside bars and hoping to find drunk
Speaker 2: girls to exploit for men on the street content, whether
Speaker 2: it's the algorithms trained to boost that content which makes
Speaker 2: more of it, whether it's opportunistic talent agencies who see
Speaker 2: dollar signs in a person like Haley and have little
Speaker 2: to no interest in the safety of their clients because
Speaker 2: the agents and the Internet understand them to be disposable. Ah,
Speaker 2: I digress. We're going to try to see Haley Welch
Speaker 2: as a person someone who grew up with not very
Speaker 2: much in suburban Tennessee, who is funny and wanted to
Speaker 2: capitalize on this moment, but I think is unquestionably in
Speaker 2: over her head. She's someone who, if nothing else, has
Speaker 2: become convinced that grifting is one of the only ways
Speaker 2: to get out of the class you were born into
Speaker 2: in America. So let's see what we can piece together here.
Speaker 2: Return with me if you dare to. June twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: June eleventh, twenty twenty four, Hunter Biden is convicted on
Speaker 2: three felon accounts of possession while under the influence of
Speaker 2: narcotics in Delaware. A crash aircraft in Malawi is discovered
Speaker 2: after a plane goes missing, finding all passengers dead, and
Speaker 2: a YouTube Instagram and TikTok channel called Tim and DTV
Speaker 2: posted a video with a pretty drunk twenty one year
Speaker 2: old Hailey Welch on Broadway Street in Nashville after she
Speaker 2: and her friends went to cmafest a few nights before.
Speaker 2: The longest version of this interview is on YouTube, where
Speaker 2: the two hosts, Darius Marlowe and Tim Dickerson ask all
Speaker 2: manner of drunk girls the same question they do to Hailey.
Speaker 1: Here are some examples.
Speaker 6: What's one move in a badroom that makes a mango crazy?
Speaker 6: Backs any any it happened any you just got it
Speaker 6: like that? Whatever move you got, I got a question.
Speaker 7: What's one move in a beadroom got make a mango crazy?
Speaker 6: So what I know?
Speaker 7: It's what I said on the get I spin around
Speaker 7: with this still inside.
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: And Haley wasn't even alone in giving the sage advice
Speaker 2: to never give a dry blow job.
Speaker 1: There's not a specific movie.
Speaker 9: You just gotta have got it, you gotta spit on it,
Speaker 9: make it way.
Speaker 6: You gotta spin on that thing.
Speaker 2: Come on now, I ain't gotta tal.
Speaker 5: Ry for no reason.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: But late in this video enter Hailey Welch and Chelsea Bradford,
Speaker 2: friends who are interviewed together. And if you're listening to
Speaker 2: this episode, I'm assuming you've seen this clip, but just
Speaker 2: in case. Haley is a white girl with blonde hair,
Speaker 2: wearing a black dress and a Prada necklace and is
Speaker 2: standing with her best friend Chelsea, who would go on
Speaker 2: to become a big part of her personal brand. Darius Marlow,
Speaker 2: a black man in his mid twenties, is doing the
Speaker 2: interview wearing a red hoodie and is visibly more sober
Speaker 2: than every woman that appears in the video, and the
Speaker 2: interview honestly starts kind of boring.
Speaker 6: How do you get over at breakup like we're doing
Speaker 6: right now? Y'all get over a breakup right now?
Speaker 9: Only way to get over one is get under another.
Speaker 6: Amen. So, so you got a side piece? Maybe? Have
Speaker 6: I got three? Have I got sevens? There's only one?
Speaker 11: O one?
Speaker 9: But so he's serious, have a boot?
Speaker 6: So how many you got on your roster? I know, hey,
Speaker 6: four on thy four? I mean we got on your roster.
Speaker 3: None add one maybe I don't know, so.
Speaker 6: I can get your number?
Speaker 3: You can?
Speaker 6: Okay, there you go. Look at it.
Speaker 2: Wow, these guys are really cool, smooth operators and so forth.
Speaker 1: I really think it takes a.
Speaker 2: Man with riz oozing out of his pores to need
Speaker 2: to buy an entire camera set up and wait across
Speaker 2: the street from bars in order to get a woman
Speaker 2: to give him her phone number under duress.
Speaker 1: These guys pissed me off. The interview continues.
Speaker 2: For a while, mostly with Chelsea explaining what her type
Speaker 2: is while Haley tries to flag down their other friends
Speaker 2: from across the street where it seems like a different
Speaker 2: man is bothering them. I can go, Then Haley rejoins
Speaker 2: the conversation.
Speaker 6: Leave a message to your last body.
Speaker 2: I love you, booky.
Speaker 6: They must have been doing the right thing.
Speaker 9: What can I say?
Speaker 6: Okay, make the cob webs off this say.
Speaker 2: Haley then walks off to go help her friends get
Speaker 2: out of the situation with the other guy, while Chelsea
Speaker 2: drunkenly flirts with the host. Then Haley comes back and
Speaker 2: the host asks for a three sixty of their bodies,
Speaker 2: which they do not seem comfortable with, and This goes
Speaker 2: on for a while. Chelsea asked the host for a
Speaker 2: dirtier question, and Darius pulls out one he's already asked.
Speaker 2: This is where we get the moment.
Speaker 6: What's one move in bed that make a mango crazy
Speaker 6: every time?
Speaker 10: One?
Speaker 6: What's one movement mad that make that makes a mano
Speaker 6: crazy every time? Then you do?
Speaker 3: I do?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that makes a man go crazy every time? It does?
Speaker 9: Not reply.
Speaker 6: In bed, Haley? This is for her?
Speaker 9: What you want to answer this?
Speaker 4: You got it?
Speaker 6: What's one move in bed that makes a mango crazy
Speaker 6: every time?
Speaker 9: Oh? You gotta give him that hawk dude, spit on
Speaker 9: that thing.
Speaker 6: I don't get you. I think you gotta demonstrate hawk dudes.
Speaker 2: But just for Haley's future defense, because she's not the
Speaker 2: one who asked for this question, let's hear that last
Speaker 2: word from her again. If I see this on my
Speaker 2: for you page, I'm gonna cry. The interview continues, even
Speaker 2: though at this point Haley is fully facing the other
Speaker 2: way and barely engaging, trying to keep an eye on
Speaker 2: her friends. It ends in the video with Tim and Dee,
Speaker 2: including Chelsea, saying.
Speaker 6: OK, stay grace a camer.
Speaker 2: She said, we better post it from what I can
Speaker 2: gather and what these Jabbroni's describe as their process in
Speaker 2: a later video they post called the Hawk Truth Fuck Me.
Speaker 2: There was not a formal agreement signed between Tim and
Speaker 2: D's subject and themselves. And again, how is one able
Speaker 2: to consent to appear on someone's YouTube channel while they're
Speaker 2: really drunk. These guys are not journalists, They're using people
Speaker 2: for entertainment. But there are a lot of layers here.
Speaker 2: Tim and D are black social media personalities, and there's
Speaker 2: a demonstrable history in any pop culture of white people
Speaker 2: taking and profiting from work pioneered and explicitly created by
Speaker 2: black artists without ever properly crediting them. We've talked about
Speaker 2: it on this show before, whether it's stealing Julia Harmon's
Speaker 2: Renegade Dance and turning Addison Ray and Charlie Dmilio to
Speaker 2: white girls into the famous ones.
Speaker 1: Associated with it.
Speaker 2: We've talked about the unlicensed use and profiting off of
Speaker 2: Kevin Dodson's hyd Your Kid, hyd Your Wife local news appearance.
Speaker 2: The list goes on and on, and so when I
Speaker 2: first heard that Tim and D were frustrated that they
Speaker 2: were not credited as Haley Welch's jumping off point platform.
Speaker 2: I wanted to hear them out because it is true
Speaker 2: that when the Hawk too a meme, and by that
Speaker 2: I mean just this very short version of the interview.
Speaker 6: What's one move in bed that makes a man go
Speaker 6: crazy every time?
Speaker 9: Oh, you gotta give him that hawk, dude.
Speaker 7: Spend on that night.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to see what that be like.
Speaker 2: Right then went turboviral. A lot of people did scrub
Speaker 2: Tim and D's watermark from the video as it went viral,
Speaker 2: and Tim and D claimed that they filed a number
Speaker 2: of copyright claims. But but my thing is if your
Speaker 2: business model is lurking outside bars to see if women
Speaker 2: will talk to you so you can both profit from
Speaker 2: their likeness and try to get their phone numbers, which
Speaker 2: these men do all the time in their videos.
Speaker 4: How many kids you walk, Caroline, I'd like two or
Speaker 4: three children.
Speaker 6: I'm looking for two or three tools. Oh really, should
Speaker 6: we get married?
Speaker 3: There?
Speaker 6: We should? We should? We said, I'm already in your heart.
Speaker 6: Maybe I can say that you like me.
Speaker 2: I don't care about your water bark. Right, let's put
Speaker 2: a pin in that. Whether the fellows are watermarked or not,
Speaker 2: this mysterious blonde from Tennessee was an instant viral and
Speaker 2: mainstream hit. Talk to A goes mainstream in a way
Speaker 2: that few memes do nowadays. It's impressive, and while it's
Speaker 2: true that Haley fits the bill for a viral star
Speaker 2: willing to engage for all the biased algorithmic reasons, it's
Speaker 2: still unusual for something to break through this significantly in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. But during that first week, she didn't
Speaker 2: come forward and claim the clip as her own, and
Speaker 2: her friend Chelsea, who apparently encouraged Haley to talk to
Speaker 2: Tim and D on the street in the first place,
Speaker 2: felt massively guilty about it. This is from episode two
Speaker 2: of Talk to A, recorded on Haley and her granny's
Speaker 2: front porch in Belfast, Tennessee.
Speaker 9: I only locked myself in that bedroom for like two weeks.
Speaker 9: I went to work and then I come straight home.
Speaker 9: I wouldn't even go a storing at gas. I was like,
Speaker 9: everybody and their mama knows me around here. I was like,
Speaker 9: I can't do it. Yeah, dressed in hats and so.
Speaker 2: I don't know how the releases with these kinds of
Speaker 2: videos work, and again question the ethical nature of convincing
Speaker 2: a drunk person to sign a release if they even
Speaker 2: do that. But based on Haley's reaction, which is consistent
Speaker 2: in other interviews, it is clear that no one from
Speaker 2: Tim and D's team were following up with her to
Speaker 2: make sure that she was comfortable with her drunken likeness
Speaker 2: being posted across platforms for anyone to see. Haley wouldn't
Speaker 2: offer up her own identity until July first, when she
Speaker 2: hard launched her media personality and brand after a two
Speaker 2: punch appearance. On June twenty ninth, she appeared at country
Speaker 2: star Zach Bryan's concert in Nashville on stage, and then
Speaker 2: on July first, she formally launched her official social media presence,
Speaker 2: which nuked any impostors who had intentionally or mistakenly been
Speaker 2: identified as.
Speaker 1: Hawk to a Girl.
Speaker 2: So much had happened in the massive scramble to capitalize
Speaker 2: on a meme that its subject hadn't yet claimed in
Speaker 2: those interceding weeks, writer Max Reid clocked the classics. Someone
Speaker 2: got the obligatory hawk to a tattoo, there was custom
Speaker 2: truck vinyl, and there was a slew of false rumors
Speaker 2: about who Hailey really was. Since bust admits play on
Speaker 2: what are now popular narratives surrounding the overnight internet sensation.
Speaker 2: One claimed that she was a preschool teacher who had
Speaker 2: lost her job over the video being posted. Another falsely
Speaker 2: said she was a local bartender. Others falsely said she
Speaker 2: had signed with UTA. But the first few days of
Speaker 2: July are critical for Haley. First, she posts the clip
Speaker 2: of her at Zach Bryan, launching a new Instagram account
Speaker 2: that quickly garnered over a million followers, as well as
Speaker 2: an official TikTok account. In the coming months, she would
Speaker 2: expand to x and Snapchat as well. And there's also.
Speaker 1: Haley's first podcast appearance.
Speaker 2: On the Plan Brix Uncut podcast, hosted by Brianna LaPaglia,
Speaker 2: who was at the time country star Zach Brian's girlfriend.
Speaker 2: And if you're twenty two, you know that's no longer true.
Speaker 2: If you don't know that, it's outside.
Speaker 1: Of the scope of this show.
Speaker 2: What is within the scope of this show is that
Speaker 2: Plan Brix Uncut and LaPaglia herself are linked with Barstool
Speaker 2: Sports podcasts, which at the time was a clear indication
Speaker 2: to me that Haley Welch was never going to answer
Speaker 2: my DM Anyways, This is Haley's real release into the
Speaker 2: world as a media personality, and it's a pretty successful launch.
Speaker 2: As a controlled introduction of her. She discusses the weirdness
Speaker 2: of the last three weeks of her life to Brianna
Speaker 2: in a really relatable way.
Speaker 10: All right, guys, welcome back to another episode of Plan
Speaker 10: Brion Cut. I have someone that was harder to track
Speaker 10: down than Osama bin Laden. We have the hook talk
Speaker 10: girl Haley here. Oh my gosh, thank you so much.
Speaker 10: This is your first podcast ever, first anything ever. Yes,
Speaker 10: Oh my gosh, how do you feel.
Speaker 1: Are you nervous?
Speaker 9: I'm a little nervous.
Speaker 1: She's a little nervous.
Speaker 10: She was scared coming in, but she wanted to come
Speaker 10: on a podcast that was with a woman first, So
Speaker 10: I'm like so grateful it was me and that you
Speaker 10: chose to come on this one.
Speaker 9: Yes, maam.
Speaker 2: This is something that comes up with Haley again and
Speaker 2: again that I found pretty endearing and relatable. She's more
Speaker 2: comfortable around women and generally trusts them more good rule
Speaker 2: of thumb if you asked me.
Speaker 1: And also, she.
Speaker 2: And LaPaglia don't miss the opportunity to talk about why
Speaker 2: this clip happened in the first place, and how Haley
Speaker 2: felt about Tim and Dee.
Speaker 1: Haley told us he was a YouTuber.
Speaker 9: He never said anything like about you know, Instagram, TikTok,
Speaker 9: nothing in those sorts. I was like, oh, well, I'm
Speaker 9: never gonna say this again. Sure enough, I seen it again.
Speaker 2: And the next day, July second, It's announced that Haley
Speaker 2: now has professional representation with a management company called The Penthouse,
Speaker 2: and got a write up in The Hollywood Reporter. It's
Speaker 2: possible she went with this company because they had offices
Speaker 2: in both Los Angeles and Nashville, which is an hour
Speaker 2: from where Haley lives.
Speaker 4: From the article, the world's gone crazy for Haley. I'm
Speaker 4: glad our team can help guide this rocket ship. All
Speaker 4: the podcasters are right. Spend five minutes with her and
Speaker 4: you'll see why she is America's sweetheart. The Penthouse founder
Speaker 4: Johnny Forster said in a statement.
Speaker 2: The announcement included a hint that she'd be launching more
Speaker 2: social media endeavors soon, and it also retained an attorney,
Speaker 2: Nashville's Christian Barker, who had the following to say.
Speaker 4: Haley has arisen to fame with her cheeky humor known
Speaker 4: to her friends as the female Theo Vaughn, but after
Speaker 4: getting to know her on a greater level, I think
Speaker 4: her small town, grassroots story and how a chance encounter
Speaker 4: on Broadway took her on this unexpected path to start
Speaker 4: them will resonate with millions. We are proud to represent
Speaker 4: her on this journey.
Speaker 2: Then, on July third, Haley posted a video to Instagram
Speaker 2: about the three best and worst parts of going viral,
Speaker 2: revealing both that she'd quit her day job at the
Speaker 2: end of June, that paparazzi had been outside of her
Speaker 2: home for weeks, and she ends on this point.
Speaker 9: And by the way, there's one more thing that's really
Speaker 9: pissing me off. Any of you selling or purchasing merchandise online.
Speaker 9: It's not from me, it's not approved by me, and
Speaker 9: it's counterfeit, and I'm not making a damn dime off
Speaker 9: of any of it. But I just hired a manager
Speaker 9: and I hired an attorney, so we're coming for you.
Speaker 9: But don't worry. I'm watching my March store very soon,
Speaker 9: and you'll be the first to note to get your official.
Speaker 2: Talk to March from me. And here's where Tim and
Speaker 2: d come back in, Because while there was no shortage
Speaker 2: of unlicensed talked To a merch making the rounds. By
Speaker 2: this time, you might remember a popular design was talk
Speaker 2: To twenty twenty four, which is a teaser for how
Speaker 2: obnoxiously politicized viral moments become during election years. What's important, though,
Speaker 2: is that Tim and DTV we're also monetizing Haley's image.
Speaker 2: So we'll return to the life and times of an
Speaker 2: increasingly chaotic year for Haley Welch in just a moment.
Speaker 2: But first when we come back, Tim and d try
Speaker 2: to get theirs. Welcome back to sixteenth minute. Why is
Speaker 2: this the hardest I've ever worked on an episode of
Speaker 2: this show? And we're back with the life and times
Speaker 2: of Hailey Welch aka the Hawk to a Girl. By
Speaker 2: early July, Hailey had ostensibly made the decision to capitalize
Speaker 2: on a viral moment that had left her house bound
Speaker 2: for well over a week earlier that month, a decision
Speaker 2: that frustrated the Man on the Street YouTube channel who
Speaker 2: had originally posted the clip.
Speaker 1: Tim and D TV.
Speaker 2: So we're going to go on a little side quest
Speaker 2: because two of the issues that Hailey Welch singled out
Speaker 2: when going public as Hawk to a Girl in early July,
Speaker 2: was her annoyance at being posted at a time she
Speaker 2: was drunk and others capitalizing on her by printing merch
Speaker 2: that she was not involved in. Tim and D did
Speaker 2: both of these things and had more success than you
Speaker 2: might think, complaining that Hailey didn't give them enough credit
Speaker 2: for and I repeat, posting a video of her very
Speaker 2: drunk online saying something funny without giving her compensation or
Speaker 2: checking in for her permission. The two did post their
Speaker 2: own Hawk to Emerch on their merch store, even using
Speaker 2: Haley's image on them, and their defense at having done
Speaker 2: so is incredibly weak. I was able to find that
Speaker 2: by the end of June, Tim and D were in
Speaker 2: fact selling Hawk to E Merch, and here is their
Speaker 2: self posted defense in their video, The Hawk Truth for
Speaker 2: doing so, ripping off of an early interview with Haley.
Speaker 10: Like selling like if you were selling merch right, which
Speaker 10: you are, I'm saying that would annoy me.
Speaker 1: I think if other people were selling.
Speaker 6: It right, so she with their face on it. That
Speaker 6: was one thing I found pretty interesting.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I like the guys that interviewed.
Speaker 1: Us, Yeah.
Speaker 9: Eah.
Speaker 8: But at the beginning of that merge, man we A
Speaker 8: was one of the last ones to come out with merch. Second,
Speaker 8: that shit went viral, everybody on TikTok shop going crazy. Bro,
Speaker 8: we only had our march out for like a week,
Speaker 8: no more than two weeks. We ended our started our
Speaker 8: shit on like June twenty third, and that bitch on like.
Speaker 7: Eight trying to kiss away like we was just trying
Speaker 7: to be.
Speaker 8: A part and the merch was just a promotional thing
Speaker 8: for the video.
Speaker 2: So their argument is, as many others would become, well,
Speaker 2: we wanted to get in on it because it's our video,
Speaker 2: and besides, it was only up for a few weeks.
Speaker 2: The fact that Tim and D can make money on
Speaker 2: this business model at all is ridiculous to me. But
Speaker 2: they were really trying to make money off of this.
Speaker 9: Look.
Speaker 8: Man, hey, we just dropped our official merch link would
Speaker 8: be a description timodtv dot com. We got the best out,
Speaker 8: best quality, best price, best everything, y'all go cobb it
Speaker 8: link in the description best out, describe from roll to
Speaker 8: a honey Kke and so.
Speaker 2: On July third, twenty twenty four, the same day that
Speaker 2: Haley expressed her frustration at others profiting from her likeness,
Speaker 2: Tim D got a spotlight in the motherfucking New York Times.
Speaker 4: The guys behind hawke to a girl would like a
Speaker 4: little credit. At the end of the day, nobody would
Speaker 4: know who she was if we didn't bring it to
Speaker 4: light and post it. Mister Marlowe said, a lot of
Speaker 4: the audience who hadn't seen us before think we grew
Speaker 4: off this one clip. People were treating it like we
Speaker 4: or nobody's and didn't already have a platform.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to check who wrote it, but this
Speaker 2: is a straight up bad article. The writer behind this
Speaker 2: piece could not be bothered to watch the full interview,
Speaker 2: which was available on Tim and D's YouTube channel over
Speaker 2: a week before the day of publication, in which many
Speaker 2: of the guy's statements in the New York Times piece
Speaker 2: can be disproved on their own YouTube channel from the article.
Speaker 4: Eventually, they recalled miss Welch encouraged mister Marlowe to quote
Speaker 4: spice up the questions.
Speaker 6: End quote.
Speaker 4: Mister Marlowe complied, asking what's one move in bed that
Speaker 4: makes a man go crazy? Every time? That catapulted Miss
Speaker 4: Welch into internet fame.
Speaker 2: But not only was this a question that they had
Speaker 2: asked virtually every other woman they spoke to that night,
Speaker 2: it was not Hailey Welch who asked for a spicier question,
Speaker 2: that was Chelsea Bradford, As their own video demonstrates.
Speaker 6: You're a spicy are what's one movement bed that make
Speaker 6: a mangle?
Speaker 2: But more to the point, the New York Times does
Speaker 2: not bring up the question of consent here you know
Speaker 2: the paper of record that didn't report on Israeli war crimes,
Speaker 2: that New York Times. The article continues to lay out
Speaker 2: the plight of the guys.
Speaker 4: Soon they said, they began to hear from bigger fish
Speaker 4: in the media pond complex Barstool Sports only fans, to
Speaker 4: the pair's disappointment, though these inquiries were only to find
Speaker 4: out how to get in touch with miss Welch, who
Speaker 4: had become the subject of a fire hose of online
Speaker 4: rumors about her job and the fallout from her viral moment.
Speaker 4: Miss Welch many of them. In an interview with Brianna
Speaker 4: LaPaglia of Barstool Sports, such is life in the viral
Speaker 4: content mill.
Speaker 2: In Tim and D's YouTube rehash of what happened between them,
Speaker 2: Hayley and Chelsea, they share screenshots of a number of dms,
Speaker 2: mainly with Chelsea in the days that followed their original video.
Speaker 2: That reveals a number of things. First, that Chelsea had
Speaker 2: reached out to them four days after the video was
Speaker 2: first posted, saying that she had been blocked by them
Speaker 2: on TikTok and just wanted to see what was said
Speaker 2: in the video. She messages them on June fifteenth.
Speaker 5: Not sure why you blocked me on TikTok when you
Speaker 5: literally have a video of me posted on there. I
Speaker 5: don't even care about it anymore. I just want to
Speaker 5: see what you're posting. I'm terrified I said some shit
Speaker 5: that I don't remember, and I know you're going to
Speaker 5: post it regardless, So just unblock me. Cry emoji.
Speaker 4: The guys reply potential opportunity for her or both if
Speaker 4: you're interested.
Speaker 2: In their verbal explanation of why they did. This is
Speaker 2: the fall up week.
Speaker 8: We gonna come up to her.
Speaker 6: Came up to her.
Speaker 7: I don't I don't think that's how that happened.
Speaker 6: No, that's that's not how that happened.
Speaker 7: She most definitely walked across the street.
Speaker 6: We were reminding our business.
Speaker 7: It was at the end of the night. I had
Speaker 7: the camera in my head. We were looking at clips.
Speaker 7: We was like, man, do we have enough?
Speaker 8: It was like two latest hell and they camera out
Speaker 8: seeing the camera and try to see what's up.
Speaker 7: Hold on, anyone tell them the realism where.
Speaker 8: They came with, Yeah, yeah, we're gonna get to that.
Speaker 6: We don't get to that. We're gonna get to that.
Speaker 3: Hey.
Speaker 9: I think he posted the full video on YouTube this
Speaker 9: past Sunday, But Hamley told us he was a YouTuber.
Speaker 9: He never said anything like about, you know, Instagram, TikTok,
Speaker 9: nothing of the sort. So I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 9: I'm never gonna see this again.
Speaker 8: So just so y'all know, before anybody is in a video,
Speaker 8: we let them know, yes it's for YouTube.
Speaker 6: Y'all subscribed, we are YouTubers, but.
Speaker 8: We tell we tell them it's Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, all
Speaker 8: that that's exactly what we say.
Speaker 6: I mean for every platform.
Speaker 8: If it's going on YouTube, wouldn't you expect it to
Speaker 8: go on every other platform is going on social media?
Speaker 8: We show everybody Instagram is our biggest platform because that
Speaker 8: has the most following, most engagement, in the most views.
Speaker 8: So we show the Instagram and we show the reals
Speaker 8: tab as you could pop up the clip that we're
Speaker 8: literally showing them and telling them our Instagram handle.
Speaker 2: But Haley and Chelsea didn't agree to the video, something
Speaker 2: that becomes clear. Tim and D make straw man arguments
Speaker 2: that contradict each other frequently. If the girls didn't want
Speaker 2: the video up, they should have reached out to the guys,
Speaker 2: but when Chelsea did reach out to them, for some reason,
Speaker 2: it's too late. And besides, on TikTok, they didn't follow
Speaker 2: the girls, so they never saw the message, making Tim
Speaker 2: and D blameless for not knowing that Haley or Chelsea
Speaker 2: had wanted the video down for days, much less have
Speaker 2: the men profit from it. They claim, if the girls
Speaker 2: had reached out before the next morning, truly twelve hours
Speaker 2: later when they posted the clip, they would.
Speaker 1: Have agreed to blur the girl's faces, but that.
Speaker 2: Seems unlikely as I couldn't find an example of them
Speaker 2: ever having done that across their content. Tim and D
Speaker 2: also said that they offered Haley money in the video.
Speaker 2: They say they offered ten thousand dollars allegedly, but the
Speaker 2: screenshots they shared don't seem to back this up from
Speaker 2: what I could see. The screenshots they share while they're
Speaker 2: making that claim, are only offering to include the girl's
Speaker 2: Venmo handles on screen if they agreed to make another
Speaker 2: video with Tim and D, sharing that outlets like Complex
Speaker 2: and Playboy had reached out to them asking for more
Speaker 2: collaborative content, and supposing they did offer that ten thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: it was long after the video had blown up. This
Speaker 2: whole situation is just like a mess in the way
Speaker 2: that people in their early twenties are a mess. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying there wasn't mutual mess involved. Another thing I
Speaker 2: learned was that Haley had admitted to contacting Tim and
Speaker 2: D's channel from a burner account she'd created, requesting that
Speaker 2: the video be taken down because she was embarrassed. And
Speaker 2: when the pair release merged from Haley's face on it,
Speaker 2: Chelsea did ask them for a free T shirt.
Speaker 1: But ultimately, for me, these.
Speaker 2: Actions absolutely pale in comparison to the perceived entitlement that
Speaker 2: Tim and D and content creators like them have when
Speaker 2: it comes to people whose formal permission they don't have
Speaker 2: to exploit. I'm sorry these guys are losers, because for
Speaker 2: every fake show of support they show for Haley.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, We were supporting them as
Speaker 8: we said in our New York Times article there was
Speaker 8: the first one would interview us. We said, we want
Speaker 8: the best for them, And even though they was doing
Speaker 8: all the podcasts talking shit, we didn't feel bitter about anything,
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Because at the end of the day, it was almost
Speaker 7: like she was all like our child, our baby, like.
Speaker 3: She came from what.
Speaker 7: She came from us, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: What it's meant moments later with dismissal and mockery.
Speaker 10: Well, they might argue that you're making money off of
Speaker 10: it and event.
Speaker 9: Oh but what about that video they first posted when
Speaker 9: all this shit started. I don't get any money.
Speaker 6: Off of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look it suck my left lip.
Speaker 8: Yeah you should definitely, Oh, disrespect you left look left loop?
Speaker 6: Oh what happened.
Speaker 11: To the right one?
Speaker 2: In the screenshots they share, Chelsea is having these conversations
Speaker 2: with the guys prior to early July when Haley got representation,
Speaker 2: not Hailey herself, and Chelsea is replying pretty civilly to them.
Speaker 2: The only perceived mistake she makes is wanting the shirt
Speaker 2: they made of the viral moment when they were asked
Speaker 2: to collaborate with Tim and d in exchange for a
Speaker 2: small bit of the revenue on merch that was already live.
Speaker 2: Chelsea responds to them on June twenty second.
Speaker 5: She'll be capitalizing on it herself. Playboy got ahold of
Speaker 5: me already, and I've read her everything you said, and
Speaker 5: she don't want y'all benefiting from it because of how
Speaker 5: y'all did her before it got as big as it did.
Speaker 5: If she asked you right now not to post the
Speaker 5: whole interview, you would anyway.
Speaker 2: And based on the fact that these guys didn't get
Speaker 2: consent in any formal way and were belligerent and evasive
Speaker 2: when confronted, I don't think Chelsea is out of line here,
Speaker 2: Nor was it unwise for Haley to retain her own representation,
Speaker 2: because well, yes, it is super silly for hawk to
Speaker 2: a girl to have professional reps. In some ways, it's
Speaker 2: been completely obscured that this fame was something that happened
Speaker 2: when she was very drunk at the suggestion of her friend,
Speaker 2: that was posted without any sober or written consent, and
Speaker 2: the moment initially mortified and embarrassed her. So after a
Speaker 2: period where her identity was being claimed by others and
Speaker 2: paparazzi had found her family's home in Belfast.
Speaker 1: She found an.
Speaker 2: Attorney and a manager in her area. And this is
Speaker 2: another thing that has come up on our show multiple times.
Speaker 2: Both Kevin Dodson and Tessica Brown the Gorilla Glue Girl,
Speaker 2: quickly retained representation after their viral moments, not just to
Speaker 2: reclaim and clarify their image, but to protect them from
Speaker 2: an entertainment world that they didn't have experience in and
Speaker 2: hadn't really signed up for. I would put Haley Welch
Speaker 2: firmly in this category, although of course by July second
Speaker 2: people were already tiring of the meme. Yeah, most of
Speaker 2: their responses are classic talked to a girl, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: society is freaking cooked. This has happened since time immemorial,
Speaker 2: and anyone who says it is corteous. Fuck, especially if
Speaker 2: you follow it up by saying, and the Simpsons predicted it,
Speaker 2: shut the fuck up. The only contact I've seen Haley
Speaker 2: ever make with Tim and d following this story was
Speaker 2: an Instagram DM following the launch of her podcast talk
Speaker 2: to in September of twenty twenty four, a DM which
Speaker 2: the guys admit they never replied to because they didn't
Speaker 2: know if they were okay with her offering them exactly
Speaker 2: what they asked for attention. In an appearance on her
Speaker 2: popular podcast, after saying she wasn't comfortable with how she
Speaker 2: became famous, yeah, I.
Speaker 9: Was like, that was the only part of the conversation
Speaker 9: that was funny. Haggy's dropping more videos is like the
Speaker 9: weeks go on and I'm like.
Speaker 3: No, I wid me after he dropped the next one,
Speaker 3: and You're like, Chelsea, this is bad, and you were
Speaker 3: like bawling your eyes out, and I was like fuck.
Speaker 3: So I left work real quick, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm coming over, and I came over and we didn't
Speaker 3: leave the house for.
Speaker 9: The second one. Which one was it? Which one was?
Speaker 9: The second one was one I love you put here
Speaker 9: the cob web.
Speaker 3: The co web. So that's the one you were the
Speaker 3: most worried about.
Speaker 2: So this begs the question what do Tim and Dee want?
Speaker 2: You'd think that if the two really thought they had
Speaker 2: a shot at the rights to the catchphrase or to
Speaker 2: Haley's likeness, they would be after the management team that
Speaker 2: appears to have advised Haley to cut them off.
Speaker 1: But they are clearly.
Speaker 2: Upset with her specifically, when.
Speaker 8: I was talking to her, I was giving her the
Speaker 8: Instagram They know it's for you too.
Speaker 6: You go to answer like I mean.
Speaker 7: And at the time we had around with ninety two
Speaker 7: k they knew what they were getting into. We showed, yeah,
Speaker 7: we had we had, you know, proof to show that,
Speaker 7: hey man, this can go viral. You're not just We're
Speaker 7: not no Joe Slowe's out here doing this for fun.
Speaker 7: It was out of our control, so we just thought, hey,
Speaker 7: we might as well give credit where credit is due, Like.
Speaker 6: It's them, you know what I'm saying. Here they are We.
Speaker 8: Were trying to give them that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: They wanted the fame. That's why they got in the video.
Speaker 8: They wanted the cloud, They got the cloud.
Speaker 2: The cynical answer is I think that it's Haley's name
Speaker 2: that's relevant and ripping on her is likely to get
Speaker 2: more views. And if that's the logic, they were totally
Speaker 2: right about that. The Hawk Truth is Tim and D's
Speaker 2: second most successful YouTube video ever, right after the original
Speaker 2: Hawk to a video. So after I'd gone through all
Speaker 2: of this, I was trying to get to the bottom
Speaker 2: of why exactly did Tim and D feel that they
Speaker 2: were entitled to Haley's success other than the fact that
Speaker 2: they posted the video, because ethically, I don't think they
Speaker 2: have a case whatsoever, which is probably why they're pleading
Speaker 2: that case doesn't seem to have yielded very much. But
Speaker 2: why do they think they're entitled to this success? And
Speaker 2: why was Haley's attempt to reclaim her own likeness so
Speaker 2: upsetting to them when they were passively benefiting from something
Speaker 2: that she said. Probably because the people whose media they're
Speaker 2: modeling theirs on didn't usually have those problems. So for
Speaker 2: the moment, we're going to leave Haley Welch in early July,
Speaker 2: right when she hard launched herself as a media personality
Speaker 2: who very much intended to lean into her fifteen minutes,
Speaker 2: and we're going to take a look at the exploitative
Speaker 2: media environment she was born from. This Thursday, we talked
Speaker 2: to special guest Courtney Kochek and traced the origins of
Speaker 2: confronting drunk women on the street for personal profit. That's
Speaker 2: Thursday on Sixteenth Minute.
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