1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Cool Media. Hello, sixteenth minute listeners. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: I hope everyone is doing all right in the midst 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: of the reboot of Dystopia, the reboot of the reboot. 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: Even Jamie just checking in here really quick to remind 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 2: you that I am going to be doing two tour 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: shows with the Bechdel Cast this week. If you're listening 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: the day it comes out, I will be in San 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: Francisco on Thursday with the Bechdel Cast. We're covering the 9 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 2: movie Titanic, so it's going to be very dumb in 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,319 Speaker 2: the best way with discourse also, so if you are 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: in the San Francisco area, please please attend. If you're 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: not able to afford it, reach out to me on 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: Instagram and we'll figure something out. If you're not in 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 2: the San Francisco area, you can also buy live stream 15 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: tickets to our show this Sunday, which is sold out 16 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: in Portland, Oregon, and we are covering Shrek. Do I 17 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: have three tubes of green body. 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: Paint on the way? Yeah? I think I do. 19 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: So you can buy tickets to livestream that show at 20 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: links in the description. And with that, here is the 21 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: much anticipated talk to a series of sixteen minute Dick 22 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 2: sucking sucking dick. To put it in the parlance of 23 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,639 Speaker 2: the terminally online, it's like no big. 24 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 3: Deal, like sucking dick and cock like I'm just like, 25 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,639 Speaker 3: oh my god, time and. 26 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 2: Place many have done it, but the ways in which 27 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 2: it should be done has been widely contested throughout history. 28 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: While a lot of surviving texts on fucking from the 29 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: distant past are bone chilling, hears something from a Victorian 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 2: sex guide from eighteen ninety four. 31 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 4: Most men are by nature rather perverted, and if even 32 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 4: half a chance, would engage in quite a variety of 33 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 4: the most revolting practices. These practices include, among others, performing 34 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 4: the normal act in abnormal positions, mouthing the female body 35 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 4: and offering their own vile bodies to be mau to 36 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 4: in turn, or this she will lie perfectly still, never 37 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 4: under any circumstances grunt or groan while the act is 38 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 4: in progress. 39 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: But as women's magazines became more popular throughout the twentieth century, 40 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: how to best suck dick was a frequently discussed topic 41 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: in compat publications that only occasionally prioritize the pleasure of 42 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: anyone who wasn't a sisman. Here's something from a vintage 43 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 2: issue of Cosmo. 44 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 4: A familiar deterrent to female pleasure is the ejaculate itself. 45 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 4: What to do with it? Certainly, a woman is entitled 46 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 4: to have a simple distast for the smell, the consistency, 47 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 4: or the act of receiving semen in her mouth, without 48 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 4: any complex emotion or difficulty being invoked to explain her reluctance. 49 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: Or the kind of shit I would read in my 50 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 2: friend's mom's bathroom. In the two thousands, at the peak 51 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: of the Sex and the City craze, where the closest 52 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 2: thing to erotic I could conceive of as a child 53 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: was how that girl from the cover of the Anamorph's 54 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 2: book could turn into a hawk. 55 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: Here's some advice from that time. 56 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 4: Try standing up against a balcony sex. There's a reason 57 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 4: this booty style is a staple of every porno flick 58 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 4: and X rated photos. 59 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: Bread me eleven years old and nodding my head. Yeah, 60 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: all I have to do is find a balcony. Advice 61 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: on how to best make something come out of PEP 62 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: migrated quickly to the Internet, and while it often produced 63 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: hilarious and even instructive results. 64 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 5: So what you're gonna do is just suck as dick, 65 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 5: that's like you said you were gonna do. 66 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: And no shortage of porn. 67 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: You'd be hard pressed to find a mainstream Internet character 68 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: whose identity was tied to this Specifically, that wouldn't involve 69 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: transcending the stigma of admitting that you watch porn online, 70 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: which I'm sure you've never done and I would never. 71 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: But in the same period of time, advice on how 72 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: to do things like sucking dick and cock became more 73 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: publicly acceptable to talk about. A strain of catchphrase comedy 74 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: continued to morph from medium to medium in popularity. 75 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: I'm talking, but what I. 76 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: Really would like to know is, though, what is your 77 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 3: opinion on how it's done in Papa Pui. 78 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 6: And Dyna Mate? Did I do that? 79 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 5: Well, that's a story of my life, don't respect. 80 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 7: If you take your dog for a walk and you 81 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 7: both use the tree at the corner, you might be 82 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 7: a redneck. 83 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: Internet going all the way back to I Want You 84 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: with Uncle Sam pointing at you on a recruitment poster. 85 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 2: Catchphrases have always been a handy, if hacky trick in 86 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: marketing or propaganda, or as the case maybe both. You 87 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: get the idea and the Internet didn't change that very much, 88 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 2: But it's the makings of iconography, or as the churn 89 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 2: of news cycles grows faster, main characters. So now we 90 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 2: have catchphrases. 91 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: Like very demure, very mindful, lay. 92 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 7: Really alone, catch me oft how about it? 93 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 2: While access has unquestionably expanded as the Internet has grown 94 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 2: more commonplace making the people who can personally benefit from 95 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: this style of comedy has expanded. Someone says something funny 96 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 2: and then they expand past that phrase or not, And 97 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,559 Speaker 2: whether that happens or not isn't always necessarily their fault. Sure, 98 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: some people just don't have the desire to keep the 99 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: bit going, reminding me of recent sixteenth minute episode. But 100 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: others have a blockage to a larger career, hampered by 101 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 2: cultural prejudice, bad timing, or often trusting the wrong people 102 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: with their newfound clout. But until very recently, these two 103 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: worlds never combined. Catchphrases made their way from the mainstream 104 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 2: to Internet culture easily, and so did sucking bit, just 105 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: ask the Grapefruit Lady. But it was only a matter 106 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 2: of time that these two combined, but perhaps not before 107 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: we needed it the most. During a time of unrest 108 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 2: long after the mainstream to Internet fame machines like James 109 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: Corden and Ellen DeGeneres were dismantled for those people being assholes. 110 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: I mean, even Fallon can't really hack it in this 111 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: department anymore. Here he is fighting for his life beside 112 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: the Rizzler. 113 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 6: He looks good Twizzer for the Rizzler. See okay, we. 114 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 4: Have that two big boos boom boom. 115 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: No sucking dick and catchphrase comedy's grand integration would bide 116 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: its time until a new economy had risen for the 117 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 2: overnight star one beyond the basic cable reality show, the 118 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: lifestyle blog, the ill fated late night show. No, no, indeed, 119 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 2: sucking dick and catchphrase comedy would transcend directly from words 120 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: into a whole new currency. And that phenomenon began on 121 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: June tenth, twenty twenty four, by one Hailey Welch of Belfast, Tennessee. 122 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 6: What's one move in bed that makes a man go 123 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 6: crazy every time? 124 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 8: Oh? 125 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: You gotta give him that hawk. Dude spent all that night, 126 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 2: Hailey Welch the Hawk to a girl. Your sixteenth minute 127 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: starts now Joy. 128 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 6: Sixteen. 129 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: Welcome back to sixteenth minute the podcast where we take 130 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: a look at the internet's characters of the day and 131 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: see how their moment affected them and what their moment 132 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: says about us and the Internet. And this week, I 133 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: unknowingly bit off a little more than I could chew, 134 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 2: something that has certainly never happened before and definitely won't again. 135 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 2: But indeed, what began as a lighthearted attempt to profile 136 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: a young woman from Tennessee who went viral for talking 137 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: about sucking dick after a bar crawl at Nashville has 138 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 2: since become a life consuming, algorithm shattering operation, one that 139 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 2: has overshadowed my own engagement. I'm dead serious. The morning 140 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: after we got engaged, I told the man, I'm going 141 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: to marry the love of my life. No, I can't 142 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 2: take today off, babe, I need to watch all twelve 143 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: hours of Talk to. But I did find that while 144 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 2: I didn't speak with Hailey Welch for reasons that will 145 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: become obvious, but in short, she's still haunted by a 146 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: black cloud of potential legal action and an uncertain future. 147 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 2: I realized that I can't even guarantee that her fifteen 148 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: minutes of fame are up, but there's no doubt that 149 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: she was the main character of the Internet in twenty 150 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 2: twenty four, and I haven't really seen anyone else try 151 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 2: to take a closer look at how this fame developed, 152 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: because while there's no shortage of media about Haley, I 153 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: haven't found anything that's comprehensive or doesn't seem to have 154 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: an explicit agenda of either lifting her up for personal 155 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: profit or ironically pushing her down because it's easy. And 156 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 2: the more I learned about Haley, the more I found 157 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 2: that she's not just very human, but she's a fascinating 158 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: case study for these specific exploitations and scams that a 159 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: vulnerable subject is going to be tempted by, and when 160 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: not surrounded by the right people, can be talked to 161 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: it into doing some pretty bad stuff. This multi part 162 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 2: series is going to be a look at this saga 163 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: about a twenty two year old growing up in an 164 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 2: unstable environment in the Deep South during a time where 165 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 2: American culture grew increasingly polarized, politicized, divided by glass. 166 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: And completely online. 167 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: And even though I haven't personally talked to Haley, in 168 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: the six months or so of her hyperrelevance, she did 169 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: a lot of interviews both in the mainstream in center 170 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: to write media outlets, and on her own social media 171 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: accounts from Instagram to x which she calls it so 172 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 2: I will too, Snapchat, TikTok, and her own podcast, which 173 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 2: at one point was much more successful than this one, 174 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: Talk to on the Better Network, otherwise known as the 175 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: media arm of a Jake Paul led sports gambling company. Huh, 176 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: and so at many points in this episode, I'm going 177 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: to let Haley Way in because I'll say it. I'm 178 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: a bit of a completionist, and I believe I am 179 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 2: the first and only person to have watched every single 180 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: second of Talk to Us. 181 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 3: When the hell did you have Bobby Lee on the podcast? 182 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 9: What? 183 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 6: Hey? It was far away in my. 184 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 1: Is it photoshop? 185 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 9: I don't know? 186 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 6: Did you have him on your podcast? 187 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 10: Oh? 188 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: Do you know who that is? 189 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 6: I don't know who he is? 190 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 9: Who is that? 191 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 4: Yeah? I know? 192 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 9: Something actually done a zoom in North Korea a few 193 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 9: weeks ago. Huh. 194 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: It has unquestionably been a wild year for Haley. This 195 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 2: time last year, she was working at a factory in 196 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: her hometown, and right now it's still a popular question 197 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: of whether she's going to be brought to court for 198 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: becoming the face of a pretty egregious crypto scam. 199 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 4: I have questions. 200 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 6: I have questions. I'm raised my hand. Hey, this is 201 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 6: one of the most miserable, horrible launches I've ever seen 202 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 6: in my life. 203 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 2: But to begin, if I may get on Jamie's little soapbox. 204 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 2: While it would be easy to take this opportunity to 205 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 2: dunk on Haley, and I'm not even saying people haven't 206 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: done that in a funny way, they definitely have. This 207 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: is a more complicated story than we're giving it credit for. 208 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: And I figure, if I'm showing empathy to x in 209 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 2: Cells on this show, I feel like it's my responsibility 210 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,719 Speaker 2: to try and understand where she's coming from, because, in 211 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: one sense, it would be infantilizing of me to suggest 212 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: that Haley has no idea what she's doing, that she 213 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 2: isn't aware that she is participating as the face of 214 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 2: a crypto scam, is at least risky, if not outright wrong. 215 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 2: But I also know that it's a cultural tendency to 216 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 2: take a young woman who fits a number of stereotypes 217 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 2: and push the entirety of an illegal scam onto a 218 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: person who, so at this time last year, was in 219 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 2: a working class job, and had never been on a 220 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: plane before. So for this series, I will need you 221 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 2: to join me in having more than one thing be true. 222 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: Hailey is an adult, and she's young, vulnerable, and navigating 223 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: a completely new environment full of people with a vested 224 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: interest in misrepresenting things for personal profit. Something that becomes 225 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: clear if you take the time to listen to not 226 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 2: just what Hailey says, but to how others speak to 227 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: and represent her. I have no idea what is going 228 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 2: to happen with Hailey and this crypto fallout. I have 229 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: no idea If, like many are speculating and is very 230 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: common in crypto scams, she completely gets off the hook 231 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 2: for this. Maybe she'll want to continue to try to 232 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: maintain this fame, or maybe the whole thing will have 233 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: been traumatic enough that she'll want out. It seems like 234 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: she and I have considerably different politics, very different stances 235 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 2: on big stuff like AI and fucking Elon Musk and NFTs, 236 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: you name it. I think she's pushed some pretty noxious shit, 237 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 2: but I don't think that she is the puppet master here. 238 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 2: She's the face, and thinking the problem is solved by 239 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: making her disappear doesn't accomplish anything. Regardless of what you 240 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: think about her. Everyone who empowered this kind of scam 241 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: will do it again. And if Haley's association with the 242 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 2: Paul Brothers is any indicator, people who have been put 243 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: through the same ringer she has are all too happy 244 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 2: to do it to someone else if there's money in 245 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: it for them. The threshold for mockery and failure is 246 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: so low, and honestly, this might even be the parasocial 247 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 2: relationship that I have forged with Haley from watching twelve 248 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: hours of talk To and a bunch of other interviews 249 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: from some of the most successful and boring podcasts ever 250 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: committed to the form, like hearing Whitney Cummings say this 251 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: at the end of the pilot of Talk To a 252 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: maybe want to blow my head off? 253 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: This is what a podcast is. I always leave a 254 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: podcast being like, was that anything? But like, it's just 255 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: two people kicking it. But that's the Internet, right. 256 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 2: No one has the time or the desire to get 257 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: to know a person, and that's fine, you've got a life, 258 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: but that you'd still make the time to tear down 259 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 2: a stranger as a sign of the end times without 260 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: interrogating why you even know she exists? While there's a 261 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: million end time reasons that that is. Whether it's surveillance 262 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: TikTok channels, hanging outside bars and hoping to find drunk 263 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 2: girls to exploit for men on the street content, whether 264 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: it's the algorithms trained to boost that content which makes 265 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: more of it, whether it's opportunistic talent agencies who see 266 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: dollar signs in a person like Haley and have little 267 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 2: to no interest in the safety of their clients because 268 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 2: the agents and the Internet understand them to be disposable. Ah, 269 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: I digress. We're going to try to see Haley Welch 270 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: as a person someone who grew up with not very 271 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: much in suburban Tennessee, who is funny and wanted to 272 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: capitalize on this moment, but I think is unquestionably in 273 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: over her head. She's someone who, if nothing else, has 274 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: become convinced that grifting is one of the only ways 275 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 2: to get out of the class you were born into 276 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 2: in America. So let's see what we can piece together here. 277 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: Return with me if you dare to. June twenty twenty four. 278 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: June eleventh, twenty twenty four, Hunter Biden is convicted on 279 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: three felon accounts of possession while under the influence of 280 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: narcotics in Delaware. A crash aircraft in Malawi is discovered 281 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: after a plane goes missing, finding all passengers dead, and 282 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 2: a YouTube Instagram and TikTok channel called Tim and DTV 283 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: posted a video with a pretty drunk twenty one year 284 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 2: old Hailey Welch on Broadway Street in Nashville after she 285 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: and her friends went to cmafest a few nights before. 286 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 2: The longest version of this interview is on YouTube, where 287 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 2: the two hosts, Darius Marlowe and Tim Dickerson ask all 288 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 2: manner of drunk girls the same question they do to Hailey. 289 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: Here are some examples. 290 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 6: What's one move in a badroom that makes a mango crazy? 291 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 6: Backs any any it happened any you just got it 292 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 6: like that? Whatever move you got, I got a question. 293 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 7: What's one move in a beadroom got make a mango crazy? 294 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 6: So what I know? 295 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 7: It's what I said on the get I spin around 296 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 7: with this still inside. 297 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 6: Oh my gosh. 298 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 2: And Haley wasn't even alone in giving the sage advice 299 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 2: to never give a dry blow job. 300 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: There's not a specific movie. 301 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 9: You just gotta have got it, you gotta spit on it, 302 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 9: make it way. 303 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 6: You gotta spin on that thing. 304 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 2: Come on now, I ain't gotta tal. 305 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 5: Ry for no reason. 306 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 4: Okay. 307 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 2: But late in this video enter Hailey Welch and Chelsea Bradford, 308 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: friends who are interviewed together. And if you're listening to 309 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 2: this episode, I'm assuming you've seen this clip, but just 310 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 2: in case. Haley is a white girl with blonde hair, 311 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 2: wearing a black dress and a Prada necklace and is 312 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 2: standing with her best friend Chelsea, who would go on 313 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 2: to become a big part of her personal brand. Darius Marlow, 314 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 2: a black man in his mid twenties, is doing the 315 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 2: interview wearing a red hoodie and is visibly more sober 316 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: than every woman that appears in the video, and the 317 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 2: interview honestly starts kind of boring. 318 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 6: How do you get over at breakup like we're doing 319 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 6: right now? Y'all get over a breakup right now? 320 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 9: Only way to get over one is get under another. 321 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 6: Amen. So, so you got a side piece? Maybe? Have 322 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 6: I got three? Have I got sevens? There's only one? 323 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 11: O one? 324 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 9: But so he's serious, have a boot? 325 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 6: So how many you got on your roster? I know, hey, 326 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 6: four on thy four? I mean we got on your roster. 327 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 3: None add one maybe I don't know, so. 328 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 6: I can get your number? 329 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 3: You can? 330 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 6: Okay, there you go. Look at it. 331 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: Wow, these guys are really cool, smooth operators and so forth. 332 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: I really think it takes a. 333 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: Man with riz oozing out of his pores to need 334 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 2: to buy an entire camera set up and wait across 335 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 2: the street from bars in order to get a woman 336 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 2: to give him her phone number under duress. 337 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: These guys pissed me off. The interview continues. 338 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 2: For a while, mostly with Chelsea explaining what her type 339 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: is while Haley tries to flag down their other friends 340 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,479 Speaker 2: from across the street where it seems like a different 341 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 2: man is bothering them. I can go, Then Haley rejoins 342 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: the conversation. 343 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 6: Leave a message to your last body. 344 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 2: I love you, booky. 345 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 6: They must have been doing the right thing. 346 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 9: What can I say? 347 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 6: Okay, make the cob webs off this say. 348 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 2: Haley then walks off to go help her friends get 349 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 2: out of the situation with the other guy, while Chelsea 350 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 2: drunkenly flirts with the host. Then Haley comes back and 351 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 2: the host asks for a three sixty of their bodies, 352 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 2: which they do not seem comfortable with, and This goes 353 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 2: on for a while. Chelsea asked the host for a 354 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 2: dirtier question, and Darius pulls out one he's already asked. 355 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: This is where we get the moment. 356 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 6: What's one move in bed that make a mango crazy 357 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 6: every time? 358 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 10: One? 359 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 6: What's one movement mad that make that makes a mano 360 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 6: crazy every time? Then you do? 361 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 3: I do? 362 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, that makes a man go crazy every time? It does? 363 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 9: Not reply. 364 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 6: In bed, Haley? This is for her? 365 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 9: What you want to answer this? 366 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 4: You got it? 367 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,479 Speaker 6: What's one move in bed that makes a mango crazy 368 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 6: every time? 369 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 9: Oh? You gotta give him that hawk dude, spit on 370 00:20:59,000 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 9: that thing. 371 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 6: I don't get you. I think you gotta demonstrate hawk dudes. 372 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: But just for Haley's future defense, because she's not the 373 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: one who asked for this question, let's hear that last 374 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 2: word from her again. If I see this on my 375 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 2: for you page, I'm gonna cry. The interview continues, even 376 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 2: though at this point Haley is fully facing the other 377 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: way and barely engaging, trying to keep an eye on 378 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 2: her friends. It ends in the video with Tim and Dee, 379 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 2: including Chelsea, saying. 380 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 6: OK, stay grace a camer. 381 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 2: She said, we better post it from what I can 382 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: gather and what these Jabbroni's describe as their process in 383 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 2: a later video they post called the Hawk Truth Fuck Me. 384 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 2: There was not a formal agreement signed between Tim and 385 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 2: D's subject and themselves. And again, how is one able 386 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 2: to consent to appear on someone's YouTube channel while they're 387 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 2: really drunk. These guys are not journalists, They're using people 388 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: for entertainment. But there are a lot of layers here. 389 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 2: Tim and D are black social media personalities, and there's 390 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 2: a demonstrable history in any pop culture of white people 391 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 2: taking and profiting from work pioneered and explicitly created by 392 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 2: black artists without ever properly crediting them. We've talked about 393 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 2: it on this show before, whether it's stealing Julia Harmon's 394 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 2: Renegade Dance and turning Addison Ray and Charlie Dmilio to 395 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 2: white girls into the famous ones. 396 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: Associated with it. 397 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 2: We've talked about the unlicensed use and profiting off of 398 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 2: Kevin Dodson's hyd Your Kid, hyd Your Wife local news appearance. 399 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: The list goes on and on, and so when I 400 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 2: first heard that Tim and D were frustrated that they 401 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 2: were not credited as Haley Welch's jumping off point platform. 402 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 2: I wanted to hear them out because it is true 403 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: that when the Hawk too a meme, and by that 404 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: I mean just this very short version of the interview. 405 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 6: What's one move in bed that makes a man go 406 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 6: crazy every time? 407 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 9: Oh, you gotta give him that hawk, dude. 408 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 7: Spend on that night. 409 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,239 Speaker 6: I'm trying to see what that be like. 410 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 2: Right then went turboviral. A lot of people did scrub 411 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 2: Tim and D's watermark from the video as it went viral, 412 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 2: and Tim and D claimed that they filed a number 413 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: of copyright claims. But but my thing is if your 414 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: business model is lurking outside bars to see if women 415 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 2: will talk to you so you can both profit from 416 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 2: their likeness and try to get their phone numbers, which 417 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 2: these men do all the time in their videos. 418 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 4: How many kids you walk, Caroline, I'd like two or 419 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 4: three children. 420 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 6: I'm looking for two or three tools. Oh really, should 421 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 6: we get married? 422 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 3: There? 423 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 6: We should? We should? We said, I'm already in your heart. 424 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 6: Maybe I can say that you like me. 425 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 2: I don't care about your water bark. Right, let's put 426 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 2: a pin in that. Whether the fellows are watermarked or not, 427 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 2: this mysterious blonde from Tennessee was an instant viral and 428 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 2: mainstream hit. Talk to A goes mainstream in a way 429 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 2: that few memes do nowadays. It's impressive, and while it's 430 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: true that Haley fits the bill for a viral star 431 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 2: willing to engage for all the biased algorithmic reasons, it's 432 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: still unusual for something to break through this significantly in 433 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. But during that first week, she didn't 434 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 2: come forward and claim the clip as her own, and 435 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 2: her friend Chelsea, who apparently encouraged Haley to talk to 436 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 2: Tim and D on the street in the first place, 437 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: felt massively guilty about it. This is from episode two 438 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: of Talk to A, recorded on Haley and her granny's 439 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 2: front porch in Belfast, Tennessee. 440 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 9: I only locked myself in that bedroom for like two weeks. 441 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 9: I went to work and then I come straight home. 442 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 9: I wouldn't even go a storing at gas. I was like, 443 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 9: everybody and their mama knows me around here. I was like, 444 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 9: I can't do it. Yeah, dressed in hats and so. 445 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: I don't know how the releases with these kinds of 446 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 2: videos work, and again question the ethical nature of convincing 447 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 2: a drunk person to sign a release if they even 448 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 2: do that. But based on Haley's reaction, which is consistent 449 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: in other interviews, it is clear that no one from 450 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: Tim and D's team were following up with her to 451 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 2: make sure that she was comfortable with her drunken likeness 452 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 2: being posted across platforms for anyone to see. Haley wouldn't 453 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 2: offer up her own identity until July first, when she 454 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 2: hard launched her media personality and brand after a two 455 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: punch appearance. On June twenty ninth, she appeared at country 456 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 2: star Zach Bryan's concert in Nashville on stage, and then 457 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 2: on July first, she formally launched her official social media presence, 458 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: which nuked any impostors who had intentionally or mistakenly been 459 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 2: identified as. 460 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: Hawk to a Girl. 461 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 2: So much had happened in the massive scramble to capitalize 462 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: on a meme that its subject hadn't yet claimed in 463 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 2: those interceding weeks, writer Max Reid clocked the classics. Someone 464 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: got the obligatory hawk to a tattoo, there was custom 465 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 2: truck vinyl, and there was a slew of false rumors 466 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 2: about who Hailey really was. Since bust admits play on 467 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 2: what are now popular narratives surrounding the overnight internet sensation. 468 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 2: One claimed that she was a preschool teacher who had 469 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 2: lost her job over the video being posted. Another falsely 470 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 2: said she was a local bartender. Others falsely said she 471 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 2: had signed with UTA. But the first few days of 472 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: July are critical for Haley. First, she posts the clip 473 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 2: of her at Zach Bryan, launching a new Instagram account 474 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 2: that quickly garnered over a million followers, as well as 475 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: an official TikTok account. In the coming months, she would 476 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 2: expand to x and Snapchat as well. And there's also. 477 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: Haley's first podcast appearance. 478 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 2: On the Plan Brix Uncut podcast, hosted by Brianna LaPaglia, 479 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,959 Speaker 2: who was at the time country star Zach Brian's girlfriend. 480 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: And if you're twenty two, you know that's no longer true. 481 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 2: If you don't know that, it's outside. 482 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: Of the scope of this show. 483 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 2: What is within the scope of this show is that 484 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 2: Plan Brix Uncut and LaPaglia herself are linked with Barstool 485 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 2: Sports podcasts, which at the time was a clear indication 486 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 2: to me that Haley Welch was never going to answer 487 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 2: my DM Anyways, This is Haley's real release into the 488 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 2: world as a media personality, and it's a pretty successful launch. 489 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 2: As a controlled introduction of her. She discusses the weirdness 490 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 2: of the last three weeks of her life to Brianna 491 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 2: in a really relatable way. 492 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 10: All right, guys, welcome back to another episode of Plan 493 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 10: Brion Cut. I have someone that was harder to track 494 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 10: down than Osama bin Laden. We have the hook talk 495 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 10: girl Haley here. Oh my gosh, thank you so much. 496 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 10: This is your first podcast ever, first anything ever. Yes, 497 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 10: Oh my gosh, how do you feel. 498 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: Are you nervous? 499 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 9: I'm a little nervous. 500 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: She's a little nervous. 501 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 10: She was scared coming in, but she wanted to come 502 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 10: on a podcast that was with a woman first, So 503 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 10: I'm like so grateful it was me and that you 504 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 10: chose to come on this one. 505 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 9: Yes, maam. 506 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 2: This is something that comes up with Haley again and 507 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: again that I found pretty endearing and relatable. She's more 508 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 2: comfortable around women and generally trusts them more good rule 509 00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 2: of thumb if you asked me. 510 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: And also, she. 511 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: And LaPaglia don't miss the opportunity to talk about why 512 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 2: this clip happened in the first place, and how Haley 513 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 2: felt about Tim and Dee. 514 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: Haley told us he was a YouTuber. 515 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 9: He never said anything like about you know, Instagram, TikTok, 516 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 9: nothing in those sorts. I was like, oh, well, I'm 517 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 9: never gonna say this again. Sure enough, I seen it again. 518 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 2: And the next day, July second, It's announced that Haley 519 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 2: now has professional representation with a management company called The Penthouse, 520 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: and got a write up in The Hollywood Reporter. It's 521 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 2: possible she went with this company because they had offices 522 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 2: in both Los Angeles and Nashville, which is an hour 523 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 2: from where Haley lives. 524 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 4: From the article, the world's gone crazy for Haley. I'm 525 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 4: glad our team can help guide this rocket ship. All 526 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,479 Speaker 4: the podcasters are right. Spend five minutes with her and 527 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 4: you'll see why she is America's sweetheart. The Penthouse founder 528 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 4: Johnny Forster said in a statement. 529 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 2: The announcement included a hint that she'd be launching more 530 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 2: social media endeavors soon, and it also retained an attorney, 531 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: Nashville's Christian Barker, who had the following to say. 532 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 4: Haley has arisen to fame with her cheeky humor known 533 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 4: to her friends as the female Theo Vaughn, but after 534 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 4: getting to know her on a greater level, I think 535 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 4: her small town, grassroots story and how a chance encounter 536 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 4: on Broadway took her on this unexpected path to start 537 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 4: them will resonate with millions. We are proud to represent 538 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 4: her on this journey. 539 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 2: Then, on July third, Haley posted a video to Instagram 540 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 2: about the three best and worst parts of going viral, 541 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 2: revealing both that she'd quit her day job at the 542 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 2: end of June, that paparazzi had been outside of her 543 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 2: home for weeks, and she ends on this point. 544 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 9: And by the way, there's one more thing that's really 545 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 9: pissing me off. Any of you selling or purchasing merchandise online. 546 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 9: It's not from me, it's not approved by me, and 547 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 9: it's counterfeit, and I'm not making a damn dime off 548 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 9: of any of it. But I just hired a manager 549 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 9: and I hired an attorney, so we're coming for you. 550 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 9: But don't worry. I'm watching my March store very soon, 551 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 9: and you'll be the first to note to get your official. 552 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: Talk to March from me. And here's where Tim and 553 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 2: d come back in, Because while there was no shortage 554 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 2: of unlicensed talked To a merch making the rounds. By 555 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 2: this time, you might remember a popular design was talk 556 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: To twenty twenty four, which is a teaser for how 557 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 2: obnoxiously politicized viral moments become during election years. What's important, though, 558 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 2: is that Tim and DTV we're also monetizing Haley's image. 559 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 2: So we'll return to the life and times of an 560 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 2: increasingly chaotic year for Haley Welch in just a moment. 561 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 2: But first when we come back, Tim and d try 562 00:31:49,840 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 2: to get theirs. Welcome back to sixteenth minute. Why is 563 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 2: this the hardest I've ever worked on an episode of 564 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 2: this show? And we're back with the life and times 565 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 2: of Hailey Welch aka the Hawk to a Girl. By 566 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 2: early July, Hailey had ostensibly made the decision to capitalize 567 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 2: on a viral moment that had left her house bound 568 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 2: for well over a week earlier that month, a decision 569 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 2: that frustrated the Man on the Street YouTube channel who 570 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 2: had originally posted the clip. 571 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: Tim and D TV. 572 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 2: So we're going to go on a little side quest 573 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 2: because two of the issues that Hailey Welch singled out 574 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 2: when going public as Hawk to a Girl in early July, 575 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 2: was her annoyance at being posted at a time she 576 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 2: was drunk and others capitalizing on her by printing merch 577 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 2: that she was not involved in. Tim and D did 578 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 2: both of these things and had more success than you 579 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 2: might think, complaining that Hailey didn't give them enough credit 580 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 2: for and I repeat, posting a video of her very 581 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 2: drunk online saying something funny without giving her compensation or 582 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 2: checking in for her permission. The two did post their 583 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 2: own Hawk to Emerch on their merch store, even using 584 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 2: Haley's image on them, and their defense at having done 585 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 2: so is incredibly weak. I was able to find that 586 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 2: by the end of June, Tim and D were in 587 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 2: fact selling Hawk to E Merch, and here is their 588 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 2: self posted defense in their video, The Hawk Truth for 589 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 2: doing so, ripping off of an early interview with Haley. 590 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 10: Like selling like if you were selling merch right, which 591 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 10: you are, I'm saying that would annoy me. 592 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: I think if other people were selling. 593 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 6: It right, so she with their face on it. That 594 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 6: was one thing I found pretty interesting. 595 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 9: Yeah, I like the guys that interviewed. 596 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: Us, Yeah. 597 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 9: Eah. 598 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 8: But at the beginning of that merge, man we A 599 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 8: was one of the last ones to come out with merch. Second, 600 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 8: that shit went viral, everybody on TikTok shop going crazy. Bro, 601 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 8: we only had our march out for like a week, 602 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 8: no more than two weeks. We ended our started our 603 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 8: shit on like June twenty third, and that bitch on like. 604 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 7: Eight trying to kiss away like we was just trying 605 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 7: to be. 606 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 8: A part and the merch was just a promotional thing 607 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 8: for the video. 608 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 2: So their argument is, as many others would become, well, 609 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 2: we wanted to get in on it because it's our video, 610 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 2: and besides, it was only up for a few weeks. 611 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 2: The fact that Tim and D can make money on 612 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 2: this business model at all is ridiculous to me. But 613 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 2: they were really trying to make money off of this. 614 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 9: Look. 615 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 8: Man, hey, we just dropped our official merch link would 616 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 8: be a description timodtv dot com. We got the best out, 617 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 8: best quality, best price, best everything, y'all go cobb it 618 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 8: link in the description best out, describe from roll to 619 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 8: a honey Kke and so. 620 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 2: On July third, twenty twenty four, the same day that 621 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 2: Haley expressed her frustration at others profiting from her likeness, 622 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 2: Tim D got a spotlight in the motherfucking New York Times. 623 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 4: The guys behind hawke to a girl would like a 624 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 4: little credit. At the end of the day, nobody would 625 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 4: know who she was if we didn't bring it to 626 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 4: light and post it. Mister Marlowe said, a lot of 627 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 4: the audience who hadn't seen us before think we grew 628 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 4: off this one clip. People were treating it like we 629 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 4: or nobody's and didn't already have a platform. 630 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 2: I'm not going to check who wrote it, but this 631 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 2: is a straight up bad article. The writer behind this 632 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 2: piece could not be bothered to watch the full interview, 633 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 2: which was available on Tim and D's YouTube channel over 634 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 2: a week before the day of publication, in which many 635 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,879 Speaker 2: of the guy's statements in the New York Times piece 636 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 2: can be disproved on their own YouTube channel from the article. 637 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 4: Eventually, they recalled miss Welch encouraged mister Marlowe to quote 638 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 4: spice up the questions. 639 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 6: End quote. 640 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 4: Mister Marlowe complied, asking what's one move in bed that 641 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 4: makes a man go crazy? Every time? That catapulted Miss 642 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 4: Welch into internet fame. 643 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 2: But not only was this a question that they had 644 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 2: asked virtually every other woman they spoke to that night, 645 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 2: it was not Hailey Welch who asked for a spicier question, 646 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 2: that was Chelsea Bradford, As their own video demonstrates. 647 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 6: You're a spicy are what's one movement bed that make 648 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 6: a mangle? 649 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 2: But more to the point, the New York Times does 650 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 2: not bring up the question of consent here you know 651 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 2: the paper of record that didn't report on Israeli war crimes, 652 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 2: that New York Times. The article continues to lay out 653 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 2: the plight of the guys. 654 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 4: Soon they said, they began to hear from bigger fish 655 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 4: in the media pond complex Barstool Sports only fans, to 656 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,439 Speaker 4: the pair's disappointment, though these inquiries were only to find 657 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 4: out how to get in touch with miss Welch, who 658 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 4: had become the subject of a fire hose of online 659 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 4: rumors about her job and the fallout from her viral moment. 660 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 4: Miss Welch many of them. In an interview with Brianna 661 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 4: LaPaglia of Barstool Sports, such is life in the viral 662 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 4: content mill. 663 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 2: In Tim and D's YouTube rehash of what happened between them, 664 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 2: Hayley and Chelsea, they share screenshots of a number of dms, 665 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 2: mainly with Chelsea in the days that followed their original video. 666 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 2: That reveals a number of things. First, that Chelsea had 667 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 2: reached out to them four days after the video was 668 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,399 Speaker 2: first posted, saying that she had been blocked by them 669 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 2: on TikTok and just wanted to see what was said 670 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 2: in the video. She messages them on June fifteenth. 671 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 5: Not sure why you blocked me on TikTok when you 672 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 5: literally have a video of me posted on there. I 673 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 5: don't even care about it anymore. I just want to 674 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 5: see what you're posting. I'm terrified I said some shit 675 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 5: that I don't remember, and I know you're going to 676 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 5: post it regardless, So just unblock me. Cry emoji. 677 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 4: The guys reply potential opportunity for her or both if 678 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 4: you're interested. 679 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 2: In their verbal explanation of why they did. This is 680 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 2: the fall up week. 681 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:01,919 Speaker 8: We gonna come up to her. 682 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 6: Came up to her. 683 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 7: I don't I don't think that's how that happened. 684 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 6: No, that's that's not how that happened. 685 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 7: She most definitely walked across the street. 686 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 6: We were reminding our business. 687 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 7: It was at the end of the night. I had 688 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 7: the camera in my head. We were looking at clips. 689 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 7: We was like, man, do we have enough? 690 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 8: It was like two latest hell and they camera out 691 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 8: seeing the camera and try to see what's up. 692 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 7: Hold on, anyone tell them the realism where. 693 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 8: They came with, Yeah, yeah, we're gonna get to that. 694 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 6: We don't get to that. We're gonna get to that. 695 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 3: Hey. 696 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 9: I think he posted the full video on YouTube this 697 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 9: past Sunday, But Hamley told us he was a YouTuber. 698 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 9: He never said anything like about, you know, Instagram, TikTok, 699 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 9: nothing of the sort. So I was like, oh, well, 700 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 9: I'm never gonna see this again. 701 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 8: So just so y'all know, before anybody is in a video, 702 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 8: we let them know, yes it's for YouTube. 703 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 6: Y'all subscribed, we are YouTubers, but. 704 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 8: We tell we tell them it's Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, all 705 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 8: that that's exactly what we say. 706 00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 6: I mean for every platform. 707 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 8: If it's going on YouTube, wouldn't you expect it to 708 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 8: go on every other platform is going on social media? 709 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 8: We show everybody Instagram is our biggest platform because that 710 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 8: has the most following, most engagement, in the most views. 711 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,760 Speaker 8: So we show the Instagram and we show the reals 712 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 8: tab as you could pop up the clip that we're 713 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 8: literally showing them and telling them our Instagram handle. 714 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 2: But Haley and Chelsea didn't agree to the video, something 715 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,760 Speaker 2: that becomes clear. Tim and D make straw man arguments 716 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,439 Speaker 2: that contradict each other frequently. If the girls didn't want 717 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 2: the video up, they should have reached out to the guys, 718 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 2: but when Chelsea did reach out to them, for some reason, 719 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 2: it's too late. And besides, on TikTok, they didn't follow 720 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 2: the girls, so they never saw the message, making Tim 721 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 2: and D blameless for not knowing that Haley or Chelsea 722 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 2: had wanted the video down for days, much less have 723 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 2: the men profit from it. They claim, if the girls 724 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 2: had reached out before the next morning, truly twelve hours 725 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 2: later when they posted the clip, they would. 726 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,240 Speaker 1: Have agreed to blur the girl's faces, but that. 727 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 2: Seems unlikely as I couldn't find an example of them 728 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 2: ever having done that across their content. Tim and D 729 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,359 Speaker 2: also said that they offered Haley money in the video. 730 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 2: They say they offered ten thousand dollars allegedly, but the 731 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 2: screenshots they shared don't seem to back this up from 732 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 2: what I could see. The screenshots they share while they're 733 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 2: making that claim, are only offering to include the girl's 734 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 2: Venmo handles on screen if they agreed to make another 735 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,280 Speaker 2: video with Tim and D, sharing that outlets like Complex 736 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,879 Speaker 2: and Playboy had reached out to them asking for more 737 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 2: collaborative content, and supposing they did offer that ten thousand dollars, 738 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 2: it was long after the video had blown up. This 739 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 2: whole situation is just like a mess in the way 740 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 2: that people in their early twenties are a mess. I'm 741 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 2: not saying there wasn't mutual mess involved. Another thing I 742 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 2: learned was that Haley had admitted to contacting Tim and 743 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 2: D's channel from a burner account she'd created, requesting that 744 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 2: the video be taken down because she was embarrassed. And 745 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 2: when the pair release merged from Haley's face on it, 746 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,320 Speaker 2: Chelsea did ask them for a free T shirt. 747 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: But ultimately, for me, these. 748 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 2: Actions absolutely pale in comparison to the perceived entitlement that 749 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 2: Tim and D and content creators like them have when 750 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 2: it comes to people whose formal permission they don't have 751 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 2: to exploit. I'm sorry these guys are losers, because for 752 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 2: every fake show of support they show for Haley. 753 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, We were supporting them as 754 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,320 Speaker 8: we said in our New York Times article there was 755 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 8: the first one would interview us. We said, we want 756 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 8: the best for them, And even though they was doing 757 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 8: all the podcasts talking shit, we didn't feel bitter about anything, 758 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. 759 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 7: Because at the end of the day, it was almost 760 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,919 Speaker 7: like she was all like our child, our baby, like. 761 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 3: She came from what. 762 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 7: She came from us, you know what I'm saying. 763 00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 2: What it's meant moments later with dismissal and mockery. 764 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 10: Well, they might argue that you're making money off of 765 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:03,760 Speaker 10: it and event. 766 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 9: Oh but what about that video they first posted when 767 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 9: all this shit started. I don't get any money. 768 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 6: Off of them. 769 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, look it suck my left lip. 770 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 8: Yeah you should definitely, Oh, disrespect you left look left loop? 771 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 6: Oh what happened. 772 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 11: To the right one? 773 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 2: In the screenshots they share, Chelsea is having these conversations 774 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 2: with the guys prior to early July when Haley got representation, 775 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 2: not Hailey herself, and Chelsea is replying pretty civilly to them. 776 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,399 Speaker 2: The only perceived mistake she makes is wanting the shirt 777 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 2: they made of the viral moment when they were asked 778 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 2: to collaborate with Tim and d in exchange for a 779 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,919 Speaker 2: small bit of the revenue on merch that was already live. 780 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 2: Chelsea responds to them on June twenty second. 781 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 5: She'll be capitalizing on it herself. Playboy got ahold of 782 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 5: me already, and I've read her everything you said, and 783 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,319 Speaker 5: she don't want y'all benefiting from it because of how 784 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 5: y'all did her before it got as big as it did. 785 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 5: If she asked you right now not to post the 786 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 5: whole interview, you would anyway. 787 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,839 Speaker 2: And based on the fact that these guys didn't get 788 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 2: consent in any formal way and were belligerent and evasive 789 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,479 Speaker 2: when confronted, I don't think Chelsea is out of line here, 790 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 2: Nor was it unwise for Haley to retain her own representation, 791 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 2: because well, yes, it is super silly for hawk to 792 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,839 Speaker 2: a girl to have professional reps. In some ways, it's 793 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 2: been completely obscured that this fame was something that happened 794 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 2: when she was very drunk at the suggestion of her friend, 795 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 2: that was posted without any sober or written consent, and 796 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 2: the moment initially mortified and embarrassed her. So after a 797 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 2: period where her identity was being claimed by others and 798 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 2: paparazzi had found her family's home in Belfast. 799 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: She found an. 800 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 2: Attorney and a manager in her area. And this is 801 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 2: another thing that has come up on our show multiple times. 802 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 2: Both Kevin Dodson and Tessica Brown the Gorilla Glue Girl, 803 00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,880 Speaker 2: quickly retained representation after their viral moments, not just to 804 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 2: reclaim and clarify their image, but to protect them from 805 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 2: an entertainment world that they didn't have experience in and 806 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,800 Speaker 2: hadn't really signed up for. I would put Haley Welch 807 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 2: firmly in this category, although of course by July second 808 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 2: people were already tiring of the meme. Yeah, most of 809 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,320 Speaker 2: their responses are classic talked to a girl, Oh my god, 810 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 2: society is freaking cooked. This has happened since time immemorial, 811 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 2: and anyone who says it is corteous. Fuck, especially if 812 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,839 Speaker 2: you follow it up by saying, and the Simpsons predicted it, 813 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,760 Speaker 2: shut the fuck up. The only contact I've seen Haley 814 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 2: ever make with Tim and d following this story was 815 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 2: an Instagram DM following the launch of her podcast talk 816 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 2: to in September of twenty twenty four, a DM which 817 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 2: the guys admit they never replied to because they didn't 818 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 2: know if they were okay with her offering them exactly 819 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 2: what they asked for attention. In an appearance on her 820 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,839 Speaker 2: popular podcast, after saying she wasn't comfortable with how she 821 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 2: became famous, yeah, I. 822 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 9: Was like, that was the only part of the conversation 823 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,799 Speaker 9: that was funny. Haggy's dropping more videos is like the 824 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,839 Speaker 9: weeks go on and I'm like. 825 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,960 Speaker 3: No, I wid me after he dropped the next one, 826 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 3: and You're like, Chelsea, this is bad, and you were 827 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 3: like bawling your eyes out, and I was like fuck. 828 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,880 Speaker 3: So I left work real quick, and I was like, 829 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,240 Speaker 3: I'm coming over, and I came over and we didn't 830 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 3: leave the house for. 831 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 9: The second one. Which one was it? Which one was? 832 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 9: The second one was one I love you put here 833 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 9: the cob web. 834 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,840 Speaker 3: The co web. So that's the one you were the 835 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:33,840 Speaker 3: most worried about. 836 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 2: So this begs the question what do Tim and Dee want? 837 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 2: You'd think that if the two really thought they had 838 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 2: a shot at the rights to the catchphrase or to 839 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,360 Speaker 2: Haley's likeness, they would be after the management team that 840 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,879 Speaker 2: appears to have advised Haley to cut them off. 841 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:52,800 Speaker 1: But they are clearly. 842 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 2: Upset with her specifically, when. 843 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 8: I was talking to her, I was giving her the 844 00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 8: Instagram They know it's for you too. 845 00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:59,799 Speaker 6: You go to answer like I mean. 846 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 7: And at the time we had around with ninety two 847 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,879 Speaker 7: k they knew what they were getting into. We showed, yeah, 848 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,399 Speaker 7: we had we had, you know, proof to show that, 849 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 7: hey man, this can go viral. You're not just We're 850 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,439 Speaker 7: not no Joe Slowe's out here doing this for fun. 851 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,640 Speaker 7: It was out of our control, so we just thought, hey, 852 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 7: we might as well give credit where credit is due, Like. 853 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,680 Speaker 6: It's them, you know what I'm saying. Here they are We. 854 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 8: Were trying to give them that, you know what I'm saying. 855 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 8: They wanted the fame. That's why they got in the video. 856 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,720 Speaker 8: They wanted the cloud, They got the cloud. 857 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,759 Speaker 2: The cynical answer is I think that it's Haley's name 858 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,839 Speaker 2: that's relevant and ripping on her is likely to get 859 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,040 Speaker 2: more views. And if that's the logic, they were totally 860 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,360 Speaker 2: right about that. The Hawk Truth is Tim and D's 861 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:48,320 Speaker 2: second most successful YouTube video ever, right after the original 862 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,279 Speaker 2: Hawk to a video. So after I'd gone through all 863 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,240 Speaker 2: of this, I was trying to get to the bottom 864 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,359 Speaker 2: of why exactly did Tim and D feel that they 865 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,400 Speaker 2: were entitled to Haley's success other than the fact that 866 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,719 Speaker 2: they posted the video, because ethically, I don't think they 867 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,880 Speaker 2: have a case whatsoever, which is probably why they're pleading 868 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,400 Speaker 2: that case doesn't seem to have yielded very much. But 869 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,799 Speaker 2: why do they think they're entitled to this success? And 870 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 2: why was Haley's attempt to reclaim her own likeness so 871 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,440 Speaker 2: upsetting to them when they were passively benefiting from something 872 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,479 Speaker 2: that she said. Probably because the people whose media they're 873 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,680 Speaker 2: modeling theirs on didn't usually have those problems. So for 874 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,760 Speaker 2: the moment, we're going to leave Haley Welch in early July, 875 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,359 Speaker 2: right when she hard launched herself as a media personality 876 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 2: who very much intended to lean into her fifteen minutes, 877 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,359 Speaker 2: and we're going to take a look at the exploitative 878 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 2: media environment she was born from. This Thursday, we talked 879 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 2: to special guest Courtney Kochek and traced the origins of 880 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 2: confronting drunk women on the street for personal profit. 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