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Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. When you're young and

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Speaker 1: you jet off to college, after you've been under mom

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Speaker 1: and Dad's rue for so long, and you've been through

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Speaker 1: the trials, those trials that define high school, you think

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Speaker 1: to college and it's a whole new world. And I

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Speaker 1: found myself in this position many times where I just

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Speaker 1: And my solution to that for a good portion of

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Speaker 1: you know, out of all the academic pursuits, particularly at

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Speaker 1: an undergraduate level, there are not too many that are

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Speaker 1: more rigorous than nursing school. And the reason is is that,

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Speaker 1: I guess you could argue that academically, you know, if

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Speaker 1: nursing is so very difficult. You have to be able

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Speaker 1: And our case today that we're going to discuss involves

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Speaker 1: going to talk about the murder of Lincoln Hope Riley

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Speaker 1: at the University of Georgia. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and

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Speaker 1: this is Bodybags. Here we go again, David. Another young

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Speaker 1: university life, where she's out on her own. She's trying

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Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley, when you look at at her timeline of life,

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Speaker 2: this was the daughter every father wants to have. Lake

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Speaker 2: mom and dad's dream.

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Speaker 2: When people talk about Lake and Riley, they talk about

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Speaker 2: how wonderful she was. Just nobody's saying anything bad, just

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Speaker 2: nice stuff, and they back it up with you know,

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Speaker 2: in high school, she was an honor student and ran

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Speaker 2: in her church. And she goes off to college and

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Speaker 2: what does she do while she's on the dean's list.

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Speaker 2: She goes to she completes her education at UGA, and

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Speaker 2: then after that goes to nursing school. And she's still

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Speaker 2: living near the campus of UGA, and she still runs

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Speaker 2: every day. She's on the dean's list in nursing school.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, very quick sidebar. My daughter, Hayley

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Speaker 2: are two types of people that go to nursing school,

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Speaker 2: those who want to be nurses and those who think

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Speaker 2: it sounds like it would be neat to be a nurse.

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Speaker 2: Those who think it would be need to be a

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Speaker 2: nurse find out you got a lot of studying to

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Speaker 2: And my daughter found that out and said I've had

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Speaker 2: enough and chose a different path. Many people do. Lake

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Speaker 2: all these other things. Absolutely, she didn't return in her

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Speaker 2: She's been gone way too long, hours too long, And

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Speaker 1: I think about this, you know, for investigators, one of

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Speaker 1: This is what we had to deal with on our shift,

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Speaker 2: If you've ever had a loved one in the hospital

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Speaker 2: They actually were your connection to the doctor and what

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Speaker 1: What was going to be completely honest with you, I

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Speaker 2: And so that's what she wanted to do and be,

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Speaker 2: and she knew that exactly.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I have that much of a

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Speaker 2: Her in the roommate knew that she was going to

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Speaker 2: be running by the intramurial fields out of Uga and

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Speaker 2: just to give you an idea of the time, twelve

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Speaker 2: They found her and we're treating her. She was alive,

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Speaker 2: Amazing thirty Yeah, it really is that there was something,

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Speaker 2: Out of all of the charges, the most intriguing charge

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Speaker 2: to me that they have heaped upon this individual is

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Speaker 2: this interference with a nine one one call, because when

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Speaker 2: you think about that, Dave, it goes to Laken's awareness

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Speaker 2: And here's something else, here's another piece they've charged this

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Speaker 2: it's they got an aggravated battery, aggravated assault, false imprisonment, kidnapping, hindering,

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Speaker 2: a nine to one one call, concealing the death of

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Speaker 2: another meaning he hit her body and of course fell

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Speaker 2: any murder, malice, murder.

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Speaker 1: The fact that they're charging the subject with kidnapping is

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Speaker 1: fascinating because we know that we cannot kidnap the dead right.

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Speaker 1: You have to have a living person in order to

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Speaker 1: that nine to eleven call is. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: we'll ever actually hear the call on a public forum,

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Speaker 1: but we will get a sense of the verbiage that

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Speaker 1: not much in crime fiction. I don't read crime fiction

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Speaker 2: If you did like it, you would see Joseph. It's

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Speaker 2: got Morgan on a lot of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. When I saw the two mugshots and they've famously

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Speaker 2: Well, and I was going to say that became you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now, these guys did not come here legally. They

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, where you're there and you can get a

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Speaker 1: By the way, yeah they I mean that's a federal offense.

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Speaker 2: You're in a sanctuary county. I would imagine they would

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Speaker 1: the event takes place that winds up in their death

435
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: or permanent injury. And so it's going to be very important,

436
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: I think, when all of sudden done to try to

437
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: understand what happened to Lacln in those moments leading up

438
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: to her death, and perhaps just perhaps what's happened to

439
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: other women who may have crossed paths with Jose. I

440
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: think that right now, as we sit here and we

441
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: speak to you, I think that the police have done

442
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: a fantastic job relative to Lincoln's death investigation. One of

443
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: the things that really gave me hope about this is

444
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,719
Speaker 1: I saw that not only was it the Athens Clark

445
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 1: Police Department that was working this event, but they also

446
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: brought in the assets from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation

447
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 1: and I think some assets from perhaps the FBI. You

448
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: had multiple eyes on this case, on the field, on

449
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: the ground. One of the really interesting bits to this

450
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: is that you had these agents that were going through

451
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 1: the dumpsters and they're looking for items which we can

452
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: only believe were probably clothing items that has been alluded to.

453
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: If in fact, and since we don't know at this point,

454
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: Tom anything necessarily about the status of Lacan's clothing, which

455
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,719
Speaker 1: is going to be key by the way, if it

456
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: were the perpetrator's cloth, perhaps isn't that fascinating that he

457
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: perhaps had taken his clothes and thrown them away. Well,

458
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: what does that go to? Well, first off, it goes

459
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: to an awareness that he has potentially some kind of

460
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: physical evidence on him. Remember what they said. They said

461
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: that she lacn was attacked, She's sustained horrible disfiguring injuries.

462
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,360
Speaker 1: They talked about facial disfigurement, that sort of thing, and

463
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: that she was struck with an object. Now we don't

464
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: know what that object necessarily is, but you had alluded

465
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: to and right you were earlier that this was a

466
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: blunt force trauma death struck about the head, probably other

467
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: areas on her body. It was the object something that

468
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: he had shown up with. Did he have a hammer

469
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: with him, did he have an iron bar, did he

470
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: have a wooden stick or was it a weapon? You know,

471
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 1: they use that term opportunity, Dave. Was there a rock

472
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: that was utilized as some kind of bludgeon out there?

473
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 1: And I've seen this happen before. Those injuries are very

474
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: specific when you see how irregular they are and the

475
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: damage that they can do. A rock it's not going

476
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: to have real clean margins and real clean edges. It's

477
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: going to be the surface of these little strikes will

478
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: have individual little lacerations depended upon the surface that'll that'll

479
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: correlate with the surface of the rock. So with in

480
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: the overall strike of a single strike of this rock,

481
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: you can have little tears in the skin that are

482
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: within that strike zone that will would be unique to

483
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: the surface of that rock. And if you can find

484
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: that rock, you can find contact trace on there as well.

485
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: They would be looking for that rock in that Oh.

486
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: My god, yeah, they would be looking for the rocks.

487
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: Here's my worry is that both that phone and that

488
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: rock may have wound up in that lake, and that's

489
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: that's certainly. I think that's a legitimate concern. I don't

490
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: know if they have it. I hope that they have

491
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: recovered it. But they referred to an object. They just

492
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: didn't state what the object was, but they did say

493
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: it was blunt force trauma. So they've got something to

494
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: go on here.

495
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: I need to ask you a question because, yeah, beyond

496
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: the blunt force trauma and the damage to her head,

497
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: the chief of police made a comment at the press conference,

498
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 2: and it was they'd served a surge warrant on the

499
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: brother's apartment. Yeah, and the chief of police said, we

500
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: didn't really need that. We didn't need anything out of

501
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: that apartment to prove who did this, he said, to

502
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: get a conviction. Yeah, And it was kind of an

503
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 2: offhanded comment. I saved it because I thought he actually

504
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 2: misspoke when he said to convict. You know, he should

505
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 2: have said a rest, but he was speaking from his heart,

506
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: off the cuff, disgusted by what he had seen. And

507
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: he said and the reason he said this is because

508
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 2: they've got it on video, Joe. They have this attack

509
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: on video, I believe, And that's why he said, we

510
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: didn't need that, because you mentioned all the things they

511
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: might have found in the apartment, which, by the way,

512
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: they had to have found things because well people saw

513
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: them leaving the apartment with bags of stuff, so they

514
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 2: did find things, but they didn't need that. That's just

515
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 2: going to be the icing on the cake to figure

516
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: out exactly what happened. But the bottom line is I

517
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 2: believe they had enough of this on video to be

518
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: able to know exactly what happened and when it happened.

519
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: But when they say blunt forces trauma, what are we

520
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: really I mean, are we talking about can you do

521
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 2: that kind of damage with a fist? Do you have

522
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 2: to have another object? Could And because it's a crime

523
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: of opportunity, could it have been a stick, a branch,

524
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: something that you know you mentioned rock Ted Bundy used

525
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: a log as he went into the Kyomega house.

526
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he read totally hell against his poor women

527
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: in there. And and yeah, in answer to your earlier question, yeah,

528
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: you can use your hands. But they when they begin

529
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: to talk about gross disfigurement here and this this trauma

530
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: that this child has has sustained. First off, that's very

531
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 1: difficult to accomplish with your bare hands. I think that

532
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: many people think that it could happen. Well, yeah, if

533
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: you're Mike Tyson and his prime, maybe so. But for

534
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: the average person that's out there, you can strike people,

535
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: they will have hematomas, you can bloody their nose, you

536
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: can break their nose. But when at the level Dave

537
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: that they're talking about here, this implies something else. So

538
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: when they say object here, it smacks to me that

539
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: it's going to be something that is not going to

540
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: be just some random stick. It's gonna be something heavy.

541
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: It has to have weight so that when that force,

542
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: that force moving through space, actually that's powered by the

543
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: hands slamming down while it's holding it and contacts that surface,

544
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: that energy is transferred from the object itself onto that

545
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: surface which it's striking. And you begin to look at

546
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: things like, first off, you're and have really bad lacerations

547
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: where the skin literally tears, and then there's going to

548
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: be underlying perhaps skull fractures. And that's I got to

549
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: tell you, based upon what I've worked in the past

550
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: and this sort of thing, that was what I was

551
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: thinking about, and not just skull fractures. You can have

552
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: whatuld refer to as depressed skull fractures. So if you

553
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: just imagine there.

554
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: What's the difference between a linear skull fracture and it contrast.

555
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you have a linear fracture, it is

556
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: literally that's what it means. And actually the term is

557
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: I think most forensic pathologists the diagnoses is a linear fracture,

558
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: but uh, forensic pathologists will use a term that's kind

559
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: of odd called curvilinear, and it covers both, so you

560
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: will have it won't be in a perfect straight line.

561
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: It will literally have a curve to it. And they've

562
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: created a term like they always do, called curvilinear. If

563
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: you've never heard that before, it's kind of odd.

564
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: But that's just kind of a crack in the bone

565
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: where the bone stays even with itself, right.

566
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does, and you don't have this depression that

567
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: sets in when you have a depressed gull fracture. Think

568
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: of Okay, I'll give you a great example if anyone

569
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: wants to understand what a depressed gull fracture looks like.

570
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: Take a hard boiled egg, all right, and when you

571
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: go to ap peel it, if you will take your

572
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: thumb and press it into the side of the egg

573
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: without destroying the egg, and once you may once you

574
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: transfer that energy from your thumb onto the surface of

575
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 1: that egg you pressed just enough, that will create a

576
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: depressed fracture on the surface of that egg. That's very

577
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: similar to what you get with a depressed gull fracture.

578
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: You will get this fragmented bone. It'll break off in

579
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: multiple pieces, and there will literally be a dip on

580
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: external table of the skull. Many times with the press

581
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: skull fractures, you'll see fragmented bone that will enter into

582
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: the brain dependent upon the amount of energy that is

583
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: transferred from the object to the surface of the bone

584
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: that causes it to fracture and shatter and go into

585
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: the skull and go into the brain. So that's I

586
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: think what they're looking at. If he is and this

587
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: is going to be Dave, I think that we can

588
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: safely say this is going to be a very bloody affair,

589
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: and particularly if she was still alive, you're going to

590
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: have her bleeding out. Perhaps with head injuries, you have

591
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: aspiration many times coming from the nose in the mouth

592
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: that would have potentially transferred onto him. That might be

593
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: why they're looking for clothing, because that's going to be

594
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: damning evidence. Because these two people, to the best of

595
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: our knowledge, have never crossed paths at all. There should

596
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: be no reason under God's green earth that Lacan's blood

597
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: or biological material should be on his person. Now, a

598
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: defense attorney might try to argue differently, but we're not

599
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: talking about him giving her a ride in a car.

600
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: We're talking about a young lady out for a job

601
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: in a forested area. What are the chances that they

602
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: would have had any other kind of physical contact? None? Okay,

603
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: admittedly he's only been in Athens for maybe a couple

604
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: of months. Maybe, you know, where are they going to

605
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to meet up? But we're talking about

606
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: a young girl that's not in a party and she's

607
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: not going out clubbing, she's devoted to her studies. There's

608
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: no reason these two should have ever crossed paths a

609
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: November Yeah, and so you know, you think about that,

610
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: what are the odds that that he would have her

611
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: biological material? That's why. And let me go back to

612
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: this quote directly, because I found this very fascinating. Yeah,

613
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: here it is. Chief Clark actually said Dave that the

614
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: evidence is robust and that that really caught my attention.

615
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: For an official like that at that level to actually say,

616
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't say, well, yeah, we've got a

617
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: few things. We've got we've got some trace evidence. And

618
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: that's not what he said. He said the evidence is robust.

619
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: What does that mean. It means that it's full, that

620
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: there is a lot of it. And I just wonder

621
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: about the nature of the evidence because you mentioned, you know,

622
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: we've got CCTV, We've we've got a mute. I don't

623
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: know how to say it other than an abruptly disconnected

624
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: nine to eleven call. That's a digital piece right there.

625
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: He the perpetrator, the alleged perpetrator, would probably have some

626
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: kind of cellular device with him. The odds are that

627
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: he would. So is he pinging in that area? Can

628
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: you put his phone there? Ergo? You can put him

629
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: there with his phone adjacent to LAC And I don't

630
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: know that yet. I think that we will find out.

631
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: Based on the charges you've made a lot of not assumptions,

632
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: but based on the charges you have tied together. I wondered,

633
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: how why the kidnapping charge, Joe, I didn't know that

634
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: until today.

635
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and correct me if I'm wrong. In one

636
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: of them. False imprisonment as well, is.

637
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: That actually charges are malice murder, fell any murder, aggravated battery,

638
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: aggravated assault, false imprisonment, kidnapping, hindering a nine to one

639
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: one call, and concealing the death of another.

640
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you've got all of this working together and

641
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: some of those things. You know, it's one thing to

642
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: conceal a death. You know, we have and this is

643
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: not the case here, but we have cases that you

644
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: and I have covered, like abusive corpse that sort of thing. Well,

645
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: you can't abuse the corpse of a live person. The

646
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: same thing applies with kidnapping or false imprisonment. You're not

647
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: going to kidnap a decedent. You're not going to a

648
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: false imprison a dead person.

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Speaker 2: She was alive when they got there. They said that

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Speaker 2: she was declared dead at the scene.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, So you are you are preventing her from leaving

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Speaker 1: at that at that point in time, you have control

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Speaker 1: over her and she can't get away. So that's what

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Speaker 1: the police are saying, and they have evidence of this.

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Speaker 1: They have evidence that she was sequestered in a specific

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Speaker 1: location and then you know why else, Let's just say

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Speaker 1: that she's in a location where she is kind of

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Speaker 1: covered all right, she's got agonal respirations when they show up,

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Speaker 1: maybe she's got branches laying on top of her, and

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Speaker 1: she's got this incredibly horrific head injury. Okay, so let

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Speaker 1: me get this straight. She fell down multiple times, injured

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Speaker 1: her head, crawled off into the brush, and covered and

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Speaker 1: concealed herself. Is that what the defense might argue do? Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: You can actually extract a lot of information from these charges.

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Speaker 1: I just hope that we'll continue to find out more

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Speaker 1: because I got to tell you, Dave, as it's been

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Speaker 1: reported in the news, this is the first homicide that's

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Speaker 1: taking place at Uga in thirty years. I hope, I

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Speaker 1: hope that it will be the last for many, many

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Speaker 1: years to come. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is

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Speaker 1: body Back