Speaker 1: Welcome to Buccaneers and Sadur Live presented by Miller. Like
Speaker 1: Casey Phillips and Scott Smith there and this is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite shows of the whole year. It is
Speaker 1: our final one right before the draft, and I like
Speaker 1: this is when everyone has all those final draft questions.
Speaker 1: This is the most information that we will have according
Speaker 1: to all the other mock drafts, which of course are
Speaker 1: totally accurate, and we know everything that's going to happen.
Speaker 1: But I love this show. We get to talk about
Speaker 1: all the things that we think might happen and then
Speaker 1: we're completely wrong tomorrow night. It's great. So this is
Speaker 1: where you get to ask all those questions. Go on
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Speaker 1: your comment under the live video. As always, we love
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Speaker 1: we give people chance to get some of those questions
Speaker 1: in for you this this day of final day, right
Speaker 1: before the draft, if you had to decide what you
Speaker 1: think they're going to do, putting you on the spot
Speaker 1: here because I know people are gonna ask you, so
Speaker 1: I might as well go and get that out of
Speaker 1: the way. I really find it. I find it kind
Speaker 1: of incredible that we still don't have clarity on what
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are gonna do at number one. I thought
Speaker 1: for sure by now there would be some piece of evidence, like, um,
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen being traded. Obviously, there's little bits of evidence.
Speaker 1: There's little things you see that make you think that
Speaker 1: everybody's opinion, the main consistent consensus, although it's been fading
Speaker 1: a little bit lately, that Kyler Murray is gonna be
Speaker 1: the first overall pick. Uh. You see little things like
Speaker 1: the fact that he's going to the draft. You know,
Speaker 1: would you do that if there was a chance he
Speaker 1: was gonna fall. The fact that Josh Rosen said on
Speaker 1: a show that um, he still wasn't sure. Which to me,
Speaker 1: that's that's the best piece of evidence. But it's still
Speaker 1: not certain. But let's just go on and you ask
Speaker 1: me who I think we're gonna do. Let's just go
Speaker 1: under the assumption that Kyler Murray does go first. Now
Speaker 1: there's four picks left. I'm personally of the opinion that
Speaker 1: any one of these four defensive lineman or edge rushers
Speaker 1: of Quinn and Williams, Nick Bosa, Josh Allen or and
Speaker 1: Oliver would be an awesome pick for the Buccaneers, and
Speaker 1: you can't miss, you can't miss. And yesterday after practice,
Speaker 1: somebody asked Bruce arians how far the team would be
Speaker 1: willing to trade down if it traded down, And you
Speaker 1: may recall that at his pre draft press conference last week,
Speaker 1: Jason Light said, there is a line. There's a line
Speaker 1: where where our prospects go from the absolute top tier
Speaker 1: to the next here and they're still and then he said,
Speaker 1: there's still tons of great players from like twenty to sixty.
Speaker 1: There's lots of great players, but there's a line. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's nine. I don't know if it's ten,
Speaker 1: but Bruce, they would only go so far. And Bruce
Speaker 1: said yesterday he's like, there's six guys I would love
Speaker 1: to have, and I'm not sure six is the absolute line,
Speaker 1: but he could think of six right there that and
Speaker 1: he's like, it's gonna take You're gonna have to open
Speaker 1: a vault and throw the bank at me for us
Speaker 1: to want to trade back. So I gotta believe that
Speaker 1: is something out of this possibly historic class of defensive
Speaker 1: lignement slash ed rushers and or a linebacker like Devon White.
Speaker 1: I gotta believe it's that And I've said it all along.
Speaker 1: This isn't just me, this isn't what I know that
Speaker 1: they're thinking. But if you have an opportunity, you're picking
Speaker 1: fifth in this draft, you are one of the teams
Speaker 1: that can get one of these awesome what Bruce called
Speaker 1: once in a generation type players. Uh, I think you
Speaker 1: gotta take that opportunity. I mean, I would love to
Speaker 1: have Devin White and if if that happens, then we'll
Speaker 1: all be ecstatic about it. But I'm of the opinion
Speaker 1: if you got a shot at one of these potentially
Speaker 1: franchise altering pass rushers, you need to take him. Okay. Uh,
Speaker 1: Jordan's said he believes we should get Josh Allen at
Speaker 1: all costs, which that makes me think, So what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the idea of trading up? And I
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that at all. Uh, it's just too expensive
Speaker 1: and when you can just sit there at five and
Speaker 1: get an awesome player, like I'm not I'm not convinced
Speaker 1: that Josh Allen is better than at Oliver as as
Speaker 1: an example, and uh, maybe he is, maybe he's not,
Speaker 1: but I'm not convinced of it. So I certainly wouldn't
Speaker 1: trade up when I can just sit there and maybe
Speaker 1: get Josh Island at five. And even if I don't,
Speaker 1: I get at Oliver or Nick Bosa if if the
Speaker 1: Jets decide to go, you know, if if San Francisco
Speaker 1: decides they want to get an inside guy and take
Speaker 1: say Quinnin Williams at two, then you know, when I
Speaker 1: did my mock draft, I had the net the Jets
Speaker 1: taking Nick Bosa. But what if they like at Oliver
Speaker 1: more When we were doing our mock draft on the
Speaker 1: smart board, that's who Carmen thought they would take. So
Speaker 1: and I've seen it another draft. At Oliver stock has
Speaker 1: really risen in the last couple weeks. And as I
Speaker 1: said in that smart board video, that doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: NFL teams have suddenly decided to like at Oliver a
Speaker 1: lot more that two weeks ago they thought he was
Speaker 1: a tenth overall pick and now they think he's the
Speaker 1: third fifth overall pick. It's just that as you get
Speaker 1: close to the draft, the assembled media finds out more
Speaker 1: real information, realizes, hey, these guys actually love at Oliver
Speaker 1: and so maybe we should put him a little higher
Speaker 1: in our mock draft. That is a great distinction of
Speaker 1: when people are rising up, it just means it just
Speaker 1: means we're catching up to what other teams are doing,
Speaker 1: not that all of a sudden, after you know, a
Speaker 1: year plus of scouting these guys, in the last week
Speaker 1: they're like, wait a minute, yes, exactly, move this guy.
Speaker 1: And I do think guys can fall on a draft,
Speaker 1: on a team's draft board where I gets hurt. You know,
Speaker 1: I think we're shn Gary. He had a shoulder injury
Speaker 1: that just came out, and maybe that will hurt his
Speaker 1: stock to That's an interesting point. And we've got a
Speaker 1: lot of people watching from all over the place We've
Speaker 1: got in Australia. We've got a Mexico, New Orleans, Raleigh,
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of places, which is great. I have
Speaker 1: to go to all those places, but especially Australia, I agree.
Speaker 1: So if you feel I've been to New through New Mexico,
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful state. Um Brian said after the first round,
Speaker 1: what position is most important for the draft? That's a
Speaker 1: great question, and I think I'll probably be looking very
Speaker 1: closely at that tomorrow night after the draft, because I'll
Speaker 1: probably write something for Friday about here's five potential guys
Speaker 1: that the Bucks could take with. I think we're thirty ninth,
Speaker 1: seventh and seventh and second round thirty ninth. Overall, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be some great players available there. And if you
Speaker 1: go under the assumption that we did take a pass
Speaker 1: rusher or a linebacker in the first round, to me
Speaker 1: that second round pick, I would like to see it
Speaker 1: spent on an offensive lineman. And I think there's gonna
Speaker 1: be some good ones at the top of the second round,
Speaker 1: especially if you're if you're looking for an interior line
Speaker 1: and you know, right guards or at least settled position.
Speaker 1: Maybe a guy like Dalton Reisinger of Kansas say something
Speaker 1: like that if they slip Um or Garrett Bradberry, who's
Speaker 1: a center, but maybe you can play guard or cornerback.
Speaker 1: And I think there'll be good value both of those spots.
Speaker 1: Because there's probably or at least every expects there to
Speaker 1: be such a run on defensive lineman and because up
Speaker 1: to four quarterbacks could go in the first round. The
Speaker 1: positions that are getting bummed down a little bit, The
Speaker 1: main one is cornerback. So if you believe these assembled
Speaker 1: not drafts, if you think there's a consensus there that
Speaker 1: means anything. Then you see that sometimes the top corner
Speaker 1: isn't going to two something like that, and that means, wow,
Speaker 1: this isn't a particularly top heavy group of corners like
Speaker 1: some years. There's no Denzel Award there that something's gonna
Speaker 1: take in the top five, there's there's a good depth,
Speaker 1: and so the second and third round, I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of cornerbacks go safeties two. So
Speaker 1: to me, it's either guard or defensive back. Of interesting,
Speaker 1: Jason said. B A said in his press conference, d
Speaker 1: there are six top players in this draft. Yeah, in
Speaker 1: your opinion, who are there? Okay? Yeah, So I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna say now, I'm just gonna say that Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: isn't one of them, although it's possible because as Bruce
Speaker 1: said yesterday, also said yesterday, you don't draft for need.
Speaker 1: If you draft for need, that's how you get fired.
Speaker 1: And I think he means mostly in the first round,
Speaker 1: he says you just he says, you take the best player,
Speaker 1: and if you already have two of those, well now
Speaker 1: you've got three. Uh. That said, I think there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a caveat there if we're talking about
Speaker 1: quarterback because you can't play two quarterbacks and you can't
Speaker 1: really commit the funds to two quarterbacks like that. So
Speaker 1: I mean it's important to have several good quarterbacks, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's why we've been developing Ryan Griffin and signed
Speaker 1: Blake Barrels playing Gabbert playing former Jaguar starts with the bee. Um.
Speaker 1: I knew it as soon as I said was wrong.
Speaker 1: Uh so you accidentally did that to my miszooka I
Speaker 1: can tell sorry about that. Well, maybe we'll get Drew
Speaker 1: Lock and have another UM. So I'm gonna remove Klem
Speaker 1: from that, even though he obviously on some some people's
Speaker 1: boards could be one of the top six players, and
Speaker 1: maybe we even think he's one of the most top
Speaker 1: six talented. I would say the four guys that I
Speaker 1: just said, the defensive lineman that I just said, and
Speaker 1: Devin White, and then the sixth one is tricky, uh
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe it's a maybe it's an offensive
Speaker 1: lineman like John Taylor. Maybe it's one of the another
Speaker 1: one of the next guys down the list on the
Speaker 1: defensive lineman like Rashan Gary. Probably that would be my guests,
Speaker 1: Rashan Gary, something like that. Okay, um Kevin said, if
Speaker 1: Oliver and Sweat are available, who do you predict the
Speaker 1: Bucks pick? I predicted Bucks will take Oliver in that situation.
Speaker 1: Just the thing about Sweat is, you know, there is
Speaker 1: a little bit of concern with that. What came out
Speaker 1: about is potential hard thing and that could be nothing,
Speaker 1: and he's played with it already. So but I still
Speaker 1: think teams take that into account when they're choosing between
Speaker 1: A and B, and A and B are close. Um.
Speaker 1: I I've seen a few people mentioning the concept of
Speaker 1: at five, who's worth taking at five? So I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure out the best way to kind of combine
Speaker 1: these on in one question. But some people are saying,
Speaker 1: I want Devin White, but not at five. I understand.
Speaker 1: So what do you think of that sentiment that if
Speaker 1: there's a player that you want, but if you don't
Speaker 1: think he's worth a five, Well, and it's a good question.
Speaker 1: And what that what people are talking about when they
Speaker 1: say that is they want to maximize your draft value.
Speaker 1: So if you take a guy that no other team
Speaker 1: would have taken at five and you take them at five,
Speaker 1: then it feels like a lost opportunity, Like maybe I
Speaker 1: could have traded back to nine, gained another second round pick,
Speaker 1: and still still got my guy at number nine, And
Speaker 1: that's understandable. The problem is you can't always make that happen.
Speaker 1: You may want to trade back to nine and take
Speaker 1: Demn White at nine rather than five and get some
Speaker 1: other assets out of it, because then you're using a
Speaker 1: fifth round pick to get Devin White plus something else
Speaker 1: like a second or third round pick. That's a great plan,
Speaker 1: but a you can't You can't guarantee that another team
Speaker 1: is going to go along with it and other team
Speaker 1: is going to be motivated enough to give you what
Speaker 1: you want to trade. Uh So, if that's the case,
Speaker 1: if you're sitting there, man, Devin White is the guy
Speaker 1: we need. That's that's our number one guy that we need.
Speaker 1: We love him. I know this hasn't been considered a
Speaker 1: position that would normally be drafted in the top five.
Speaker 1: But two years from now, is it gonna matter that
Speaker 1: we took him at number five or number nine. If
Speaker 1: you would take him at five, take him at nine.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you would take him at nine, take
Speaker 1: him at five, that's simply he's having on your team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if he's worth a first round pick at nine,
Speaker 1: then he's worth the first round pick at five. Yes
Speaker 1: you do, but yes you do. Try to play the
Speaker 1: draft of value. You try, but if you can't, then
Speaker 1: you have to do that. And then there's also the
Speaker 1: idea that are you certain that nobody else would take
Speaker 1: him between five and nine, that nobody is six eight,
Speaker 1: And if that's the guy you want, you're taking a
Speaker 1: you're taking a big risk. I was listening to this
Speaker 1: podcast and it was like it's a series of podcasts
Speaker 1: and all these locked on sites like Lockdown Bucks, Lockdown Dolphins,
Speaker 1: all that, and it was very interesting and each one,
Speaker 1: like the first six picks, they spent an hour on.
Speaker 1: When it got to our guys who are picking for
Speaker 1: the Bucks, they traded down to eleven with Cincinnati, and
Speaker 1: when it finally got to them at eleven, they said,
Speaker 1: we had a list of four or five guys we
Speaker 1: were prepared to take, and we were sure one of
Speaker 1: them's gonna make it, and none of them made them
Speaker 1: made it, and so they were they're kind of at
Speaker 1: a loss, and they ended up taking Christian Wilkins, who's
Speaker 1: probably gonna be a great player, but I'm not sure
Speaker 1: he's in our top five. What I'm saying, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: an interest, so it's risky. Yeah. Um. Seawan says he's
Speaker 1: watching from Washington, d C. And wants to know if
Speaker 1: there is any buzz about draft day player trades instead
Speaker 1: of actually trading the picks. It could involve that too,
Speaker 1: but more about actually trading players a player day. There
Speaker 1: is buzz, but it's not coming from inside the building.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean they're not talking about it. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: if you're hearing things about us potentially trading a player, um,
Speaker 1: it's not coming from here. Okay, I'm sure they're hearing
Speaker 1: the same buzzs we are, so right, that's an interesting question, um.
Speaker 1: And then we could work one non draft question in here, UM,
Speaker 1: Brian asked. Brian asked, why do some players not show
Speaker 1: up to O t as or workouts because they don't
Speaker 1: have to, That is the answer. Now, yesterday we had
Speaker 1: two guys who weren't here, and they simply weren't here
Speaker 1: because is there. I guess their wife's about to give birth.
Speaker 1: So sometimes it's just life gets in the way. And
Speaker 1: if this if this had been a mandatory mining camp
Speaker 1: and they'd called up Bruce and said, my wife's about
Speaker 1: to give birth. Bruce pent certain would have said, see
Speaker 1: you next week. You know, take care of that. So
Speaker 1: sometimes life there are things in life that happened that
Speaker 1: are more important. But we cannot get on guys for
Speaker 1: not showing up. They that's that was a thing that
Speaker 1: was bargained into the c b A. They were. There's
Speaker 1: give and take that made that happen. The thing that
Speaker 1: the team's got that they wanted and things that the
Speaker 1: players got that they wanted. And since that's the system,
Speaker 1: you simply cannot bag on a guy for not being here.
Speaker 1: Now you can say if it was me, I'd be
Speaker 1: there because I want to get all the work I can.
Speaker 1: I mean, but some guys don't necessarily feel that way,
Speaker 1: and sometimes they may be right. Think back to last year.
Speaker 1: I don't think Jason Pierre Paul can do a lot
Speaker 1: of our Yeah, he seemed he seemed like it was
Speaker 1: just fine. Yeah, and our coaches back then, where you know,
Speaker 1: we're talking about JPP here and he knows what he's doing,
Speaker 1: and he came in here and hit the ground running
Speaker 1: and within like a few days of training camp. You know,
Speaker 1: former head coach Dorcutter was saying, obviously he didn't need
Speaker 1: it and he's fine, and some guys can do that,
Speaker 1: so you know, you can feel. There's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: feeling like if I were a player, I'd be there
Speaker 1: everyday working. But you just have to remember that it
Speaker 1: is voluntary and that's important to remember, and that's how
Speaker 1: you have to treat it. Okay. Eric is watching from
Speaker 1: Quebec and he said, are there any free agents on
Speaker 1: the Buck's radar after the draft to fill any voids
Speaker 1: if the draft doesn't pan out exactly how they want.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are, but I don't know what they are.
Speaker 1: Sorry about that. Um, that's exactly right, though, And one
Speaker 1: thing to remember is that players signed after free agents
Speaker 1: signed after something like May five or May seven, I
Speaker 1: can't remember the exact date do not count in that
Speaker 1: formula that they used to determine compensatory picks. So I think,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, there's a couple of guys out there,
Speaker 1: like in Dominican Sue and maybe um Ziggyanza. I think
Speaker 1: they have not signed yet, and those are a couple
Speaker 1: of guys that pretty clearly are going to be on
Speaker 1: a team somewhere, but they're maybe not getting the offers
Speaker 1: they want right now, because the team doesn't really want
Speaker 1: to spend a lot right now when there's a chance
Speaker 1: they can get a comparable player or a player for
Speaker 1: the same position in the draft. But then, as that
Speaker 1: question said, after the draft, you realized, man, we didn't
Speaker 1: get a d team. We had no other ways because
Speaker 1: so now we're more interested in him, and he gets
Speaker 1: better offers. So I'm sure he's winning for a better offer.
Speaker 1: And if a team can wait long enough to get
Speaker 1: a signe out of their compensed story pig formula, they'll
Speaker 1: do so. So yeah, we I think pretty much every
Speaker 1: year you see a veteran or two sign after the draft.
Speaker 1: It's just a little hard to predictive that would be
Speaker 1: right now. Okay. Kevin and Nicholas both asked about our schedule,
Speaker 1: and specifically Kevin asking about how much of a disadvantage
Speaker 1: do you think it'll be having the multiple weeks away
Speaker 1: from the stadium in the middle of the season. Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna find out, and it will be. Um, it'll
Speaker 1: be We're gonna find out the hard way. And since
Speaker 1: it's essentially unprecedented, Uh, we're gonna answer that question. And
Speaker 1: it's not been answered before. How hard will that be?
Speaker 1: There's the school of thought that you already knew you
Speaker 1: had eight away games, Well, it feels like nine because
Speaker 1: of the home game in London and eight or seven
Speaker 1: home games, And doesn't matter what order you play, men,
Speaker 1: you still going to play that many games at home
Speaker 1: and that many games on the road, and that maybe
Speaker 1: on a neutral site. It certainly feels like a disadvantage,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not. It's not like this is a
Speaker 1: sport like baseball, where you when you go on a
Speaker 1: road trip, you go on a road trip and you're
Speaker 1: gone from home for that amount of time, and if
Speaker 1: it was a seven week baseball road trip, people will
Speaker 1: be freaking out and it would be a definite disavenge.
Speaker 1: You have two road games, and then you have the
Speaker 1: game in London, which were the home team for and
Speaker 1: both teams have the same amount of travel for that one,
Speaker 1: and then you have a bye week to prepare for
Speaker 1: the two road games after that. It's probably a disadvantage,
Speaker 1: but it might not be that big of a disavengage.
Speaker 1: And if you get through that. That's why we have
Speaker 1: three of our last four at home and our last
Speaker 1: two at home. I actually think it's less fortunate for
Speaker 1: our fans because that's the that's seven weeks, that's basically
Speaker 1: two months where they don't get to see this team
Speaker 1: play at Raymond James Stadium, and and that's unfortunate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's very true. Um Douglas said, are there any second
Speaker 1: round corners better than Davis or VH three? Um? I
Speaker 1: will answer that more diplomatically and that I think there
Speaker 1: are second round corners that can add to that. Those
Speaker 1: two make us better along, and I would particularly like
Speaker 1: it if that guy was a slot player. Um. However
Speaker 1: far you want to believe him, he certainly knows more
Speaker 1: about football than I do. Bruce Arian seems quite sold
Speaker 1: on Vernon and Carlton as a good pair of press
Speaker 1: corners for this defense. And what he doesn't know yet
Speaker 1: is the answer at slot corner. So if you can
Speaker 1: take a guy who can play both but could immediately
Speaker 1: help you in the slot, that would be good. I
Speaker 1: there's a there's a guy from Michigan State that I
Speaker 1: like a lot. And there's a guy from Michigan And
Speaker 1: I'm blanking on their names right now, but um, I
Speaker 1: think one of his named Lane. Uh. I think that's
Speaker 1: the Michigan State guy. They're both guys that I think
Speaker 1: you could get in the second or third round, and
Speaker 1: they have the potential play in the slot, So there's
Speaker 1: definitely value there. And rather than saying they're better than
Speaker 1: what we got, I just think they would improve our
Speaker 1: tuition overall. Richard said he's listening from San Gabriel, California.
Speaker 1: Which player in the draft do you think will fall
Speaker 1: so essentially that it seems like often there's that one
Speaker 1: guy that everybody assumed would go really early and then
Speaker 1: slides back. I'd like to say Daniel Jones because I'm
Speaker 1: a little surprised at the amount of hype he's getting. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, he's kind of like Josh Allen in that
Speaker 1: he doesn't he didn't really have fantastic numbers that Duke
Speaker 1: and I guess he's big and with a strong arm,
Speaker 1: and he's worked with David Cutcliffe and that's why people
Speaker 1: compare him to Peyton Manning. Uh, but he just just
Speaker 1: from his body of work, I'm surprised would be a
Speaker 1: first round guy, and I'd like to say he might
Speaker 1: drop out, But we see how the quarterbacks tend to
Speaker 1: go higher than we expect are not lower, So that's
Speaker 1: probably not a good prediction. I'll go back to guy
Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier, Montes Sweat, and I'm just
Speaker 1: saying there was a time a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: two or three weeks ago, where Montes Sweat was being
Speaker 1: predicted to go on the top like five to seven
Speaker 1: picks in almost every mock draft. And he seems to
Speaker 1: have lost a little steam. And again that's more of
Speaker 1: an indication of people figuring out what actually feel about
Speaker 1: these guys, and so I think he could fall a
Speaker 1: little farther than people expect. Okay, well, thanks so much
Speaker 1: for joining us on this edition of Buccaneers in Sideur Live,
Speaker 1: presented by Miller Lyte. Hope to see a ton of
Speaker 1: you guys out at the draft party. We will both
Speaker 1: be there tomorrow night doing a little pre show thing
Speaker 1: right before the draft. I hope to see you out
Speaker 1: there and enjoy the draft. We see you next week.