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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Tuesday, September the ninth, and the

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Speaker 1: Epstein Birthday Book is out. And while so many people

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Speaker 1: were focused on the particular note in there that's allegedly

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Speaker 1: from President Trump, there is so much more telling and

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Speaker 1: eyebrow raising content in there. And with that, welcome to

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Speaker 1: this episode of Amy and TJ. Robe. You just said

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Speaker 1: it before we started recording, you said so much focus

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Speaker 1: was on that note. I think now people are starting

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Speaker 1: and I guess it gives us really some insight into

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Speaker 2: Well, it also gives us some insight into how most

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Speaker 2: of at least the friends who were included in this

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Speaker 2: birthday book were very much aware of his penchant for

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Speaker 2: actually jaw dropping just how cavalierly some of these lewd

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Speaker 2: stories and pictures were referenced.

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Speaker 3: By a lot of powerful, wealthy folks.

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Speaker 2: So, yes, everyone was focused on the President Trump letter,

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Speaker 2: but there is just incredible salacious.

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Speaker 3: Things in here.

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Speaker 2: And also I think it's interesting we were all waiting

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Speaker 2: for an Epstein client list, but this, in a lot

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Speaker 2: of ways just is a window into his world that

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Speaker 2: we haven't truly seen like we're seeing now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's coming from people in first person who

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Speaker 1: were in that world, who had no idea that anything

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Speaker 1: it's so interesting because you're right, wrote a theme emerges

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Speaker 1: from this thing. It's like a boy's club, like a

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Speaker 1: people and things around as just everyone is there for

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Speaker 3: It was all about boobs.

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Speaker 2: I actually, I said, I felt like some of this

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Speaker 2: about girls boobs. It was just even the women were

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Speaker 2: joining in. There were boob prints, like someone put paint

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Speaker 2: on a boob and instead of kissing a letter, they put.

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Speaker 3: Their boob on. I mean, it was just it was

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Speaker 2: And obviously there is so much about Jeffrey Epstein and

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Speaker 2: all the allegations that this shouldn't be that shocking, and

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Speaker 2: yet I think to see the other people around him

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Speaker 2: who were participating, not in anything illegal, not in anything

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Speaker 1: You know, we were talking to the lady, her name

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Speaker 1: is slipping my mind, Randy Kogan, who was a therapist

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Speaker 1: who has been working with Epstein victims for decades, and

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Speaker 1: she said, it's not a matter of a Epstein client list,

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Speaker 1: it's an Epstein enabler list. There's a list of enablers.

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Speaker 1: And when you read through this birthday book, and we're

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Speaker 1: that makes even more sense an enabler list. That these

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Speaker 1: folks aren't participating in anything illegal, but they are fully

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Speaker 2: And that's what Randy was pointing to in terms of

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Speaker 2: the transparency that a lot of Epstein victims are asking for.

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Speaker 2: They're asking for there to be accountability for folks who

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's get you first, just caught up.

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Speaker 1: You remember this became a big story. It was earlier

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Speaker 1: in the summer. Wall Street Journal publishes an article in

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Speaker 1: which they talk about the existence of this fiftieth birthday book.

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Speaker 1: That Gallaine Maxwell put together for Jeffrey Epstein. Now, the

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Speaker 1: part of their reporting was the fact that in that

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Speaker 1: who was then just Donald Trump, saying happy birthday, giving

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Speaker 1: birthday wishes. They reported at the time that note included

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Speaker 1: or something. That's what they reported. So that note and

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Speaker 1: the rest of that book, I think people are going

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Speaker 2: It's fascinating because you know, you and I had seen

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Speaker 2: the headlines, and I really didn't think there was going

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Speaker 2: we were reading there is a lot to unpack. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot to digest with this birthday book, more so

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Speaker 1: All right, And as Glaine maxwell that put it together.

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Speaker 1: So yes, this fiftieth birthday book, it does start with

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Speaker 1: a letter from her. Essentially, it opens up with Glaine

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Speaker 1: years ago? Is this twenty? What plus years ago? When

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Speaker 1: he turned fifty? But these are words she wrote to

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Speaker 1: him decades ago verse fiftieth Birthday says quote Jeffrey. The

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Speaker 1: idea behind the book was simply to gather stories and

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Speaker 1: different events. I hope you will derive as much pleasure

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Speaker 1: looking through it as I did putting it together for you.

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Speaker 1: Happy Birthday Love. Glaine sets up innocent enough, right, But

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Speaker 1: the way they just that any other friend would talk

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Speaker 3: It just you don't have a birthday book like this one.

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Speaker 1: I don't have anything close to this, But it's wild

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Speaker 1: to now go back and to see what their dynamic

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Speaker 1: and the friendship was, knowing all that we know now

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Speaker 2: She had him with two other kids. It looks like

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Speaker 2: was a first date photo of him from nineteen ninety one,

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Speaker 2: and then she even included again this is probably where

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Speaker 2: You know, what was his relationship like with his parents

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Speaker 2: given the monster he's now turned into or the one

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Speaker 2: we now know he was. But this was the note

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Speaker 2: from Jeffrey Epstein's mom at the beginning of his birthday book.

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Speaker 2: Driving to the hospital that cold, snowy day in January

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Speaker 2: to become parents of a beautiful, healthy son. Jeff you

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Speaker 2: have been a good son from day one, and we

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Speaker 2: have been proud of you ever since.

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Speaker 1: Don't doubt that. Isn't that something to read those words now,

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Speaker 1: it's wild to read that now. So now things from

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Speaker 1: that point on and again, it's about two hundred pages

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Speaker 1: they released from this book to go through, but there

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Speaker 1: are several notes. It's divided up into sections. Actually, Rose,

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Speaker 1: it's just kind of categorized to who all these people

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Speaker 1: in that way. Now they get going a friend. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure exactly who this one was in particular, but

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Speaker 1: girls on My Boat. Here is one line quote, we

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Speaker 1: what we now know.

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Speaker 2: And there were some several other ones that were not

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Speaker 2: seemingly innocent college memories. This one also from friends, and

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Speaker 2: there were names. When it came to any woman who

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Speaker 1: So wow, what that tells us? I mean, whoever's writing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, recalling these as fond at times, and this is

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Speaker 3: Nothing, it's fodder.

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Speaker 2: It's actually it's haha, laugh, laugh, joke, joke, screaming underage.

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Speaker 3: There's one with a redacted name, the rabbi's daughter.

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Speaker 2: So you know, it's just there's just it's constant machiesimo

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Speaker 1: So we can only assume, all right about the age.

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Speaker 1: But it's said in that section, and I'm quoting, Jeff

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Speaker 2: These are birthday notes and memories, fond memories that are

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Speaker 2: all compiled together in a fun, loving birthday book.

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Speaker 3: This is wild to actually think that.

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Speaker 2: These are all the memories and they, like you said,

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Speaker 3: This isn't this isn't just a one off for a while.

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Speaker 3: Look at this extreme note. They all are very similar.

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Speaker 1: Now as far as big names go, Robes, I pulled

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Speaker 1: there is a note allegedly in there, purportedly from Bill Clinton,

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Speaker 1: and you see his signature there, but it's just a

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Speaker 1: few lines handwritten. But it starts by saying happy fiftieth.

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Speaker 1: And I was trying to get you to translate. I

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Speaker 2: Well. We also determined that Bill Clinton must be a

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Speaker 2: it's reassuring, isn't it, And then something about praising or

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Speaker 2: referring to Epstein's childlike curiosity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again we tried, and we could try to

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Speaker 2: I just thought that the response to that entry was hilarious,

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Speaker 1: You know what we needed that we needed a moment

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Speaker 3: Was necessary, ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Don't add the other part, like this is a reason.

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Speaker 1: You know what this might have been why he sent it.

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Speaker 1: The dude loves taking wildlife photos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes it even funnier. I'm actually really happy

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Speaker 1: That zebra sex is one of his niche areas.

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Speaker 3: He knows just where to find it.

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Speaker 1: Cool, Okay, that note you were telling me about it earlier.

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Speaker 1: Now it's even funnier. Folks, Sometimes it's stuff you need

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Speaker 1: Damn I don't you know. We're gonna keep it. I'm

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Speaker 2: Your voice sounded like it was in stereo.

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Speaker 3: That was hilarious.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me for that. Won't happen again. All right, We're

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Speaker 1: A lot of people were focusing on, of course, robes

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Speaker 1: the birthday note that Donald Trump wrote allegedly. He says

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Speaker 2: He also says that's not his signature. He claims that

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Speaker 1: With Have you seen the comparisons they had.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this is where we are. So we've been

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people looking for big names,

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Speaker 3: As disturbing dicky as it gets. It really is.

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Speaker 2: So it's an illustration of it, says nineteen eighty three

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Speaker 2: underneath it, and it shows Jeffrey Epstein handing out balloons

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Speaker 2: Of it, it shows him in two thousand and three

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Speaker 3: They're all in g string.

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Speaker 2: tattoo of him, Yes, his initials, but yes one of

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Speaker 3: So it's just really, it's just icky.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like you're showing him grooming little girls so

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Speaker 2: And that one of his friends drew the picture thinking

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein that in nineteen eighty three, here you are

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Speaker 2: And then you know, everyone was talking about the Trump letter.

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Speaker 2: But what about this bizarre entry where there's a picture

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Speaker 3: Five hundred dollars.

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Speaker 2: It was signed to Jeffrey Epstein and signed Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: caption said Jeffrey showing early talents with money and women

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Speaker 2: it was just redacted cells fully depreciated woman to Donald

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Speaker 2: people skills too. Even though I handled the deal, I

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Speaker 1: What the actual fuck? I don't know what that means.

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Speaker 2: of this bizarre check and this ha ha ha ha

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Speaker 1: They were human commodities to be exchanged almost.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they passed for sure.

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Speaker 3: Were objects to please them.

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Speaker 1: Were commodities to be traded. They went up and down in.

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Speaker 2: Value to be groomed and then to be abused, and

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating just the language.

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Speaker 3: And this is his birthday book.

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Speaker 2: Is an illustration of his abuse and the fact that

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Speaker 1: it is absolutely fascinat. Dropping another note from a friend

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Speaker 1: here saying, dear Jeffrey, I wanted to get you what

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Speaker 3: Again a nine year old boy. Yes, that is what

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Speaker 3: nine year old boys would do. I don't understand that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this next one here you see this one ropes

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Speaker 1: from a coworker. This is a disturbing note as well.

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Speaker 3: Jeffrey.

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Speaker 2: I remember in the mid nineteen seventies you being a

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Speaker 2: star salesman for our tax advantage strategies and hedged option program.

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Speaker 2: I was running an account for Bob Maxwell. You always

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Speaker 2: had the ability to know everyone and be charming. Was

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Speaker 2: that when you first discovered the Maxwell teenage daughter, Happy birthday,

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Speaker 2: Elliott wol What I mean unabashedly discover seducing underaged girls?

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Speaker 1: Yea, we have the I mean the text of the

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Speaker 1: Trump note. I don't even know if that's it.

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Speaker 3: It's not even anything compared.

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Speaker 1: It's out there, and that's fine, but it is. I

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Speaker 1: It reads differently from the transcript of Gleame Maxwell's interview

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Speaker 1: with the Justice Department. Yes, it does, right. It reads

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Speaker 1: without these folks even trying to get into anything salacious

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Speaker 1: and have to be interviewed. It reads so much differently.

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Speaker 1: But Robes one last thing I wanted to leave folks with,

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Speaker 1: and I have it up here and it's a longer entry,

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Speaker 1: but it is from a young lady who is writing

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Speaker 1: and saying she loves him and that he did so

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Speaker 1: much for in her life. But Robes, I was amazed

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Speaker 1: at how all the massage things we hear about, and

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Speaker 1: how girls are being groomed and they get ended up

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Speaker 1: on planes and whatnot. Again, this gives us insight into

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Speaker 1: what that world was and how so many of these

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Speaker 1: young women girls got caught up in it. So this

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Speaker 1: is we're just going to start. It's a little longer,

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Speaker 1: but I thought this was interesting Ropes.

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Speaker 3: She writes.

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Speaker 2: I received a call from Glaine, who I had worked

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Speaker 2: on massaged twice in the last few months, to work

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Speaker 2: on her employer. He is a businessman and wants you

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Speaker 2: to work on his feet at his desk, she said.

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Speaker 2: My first thought was corns and bunions and a curumudgeon

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Speaker 2: of a man when I first set eyes on you

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Speaker 2: on March twenty second, nineteen ninety three. You were sitting

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Speaker 2: behind an enormous desk in your office at home on

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Speaker 2: sixty ninth Street, in a jean shirt and sweatpants, and

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Speaker 2: your feet were possibly the most beautiful that I had

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Speaker 2: ever seen belonging to a man. I remember thinking that

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Speaker 2: you look more You looked like a more handsome Ralph Lauren.

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Speaker 2: We moved over to a sitting area and I sat

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Speaker 2: on a footstool and worked on your feet while you

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Speaker 2: were in an armchair watched me and Glaine work on

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Speaker 2: your shoulders. After a few minutes, you gave me that

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Speaker 2: squinched eye look, a mix of calculation and enjoyment, both

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Speaker 2: devouring and yet submissive.

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Speaker 1: Okay, gonna stop you there for a second. What are

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Speaker 1: you hearing? I hear so much about massages, and I

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Speaker 1: hear so much about Glaine and who was massaging whom

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Speaker 1: and what was going on to hear this young lady.

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Speaker 1: She's setting up a story and she has a positive experience,

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Speaker 1: but randomly show up massage a man's feet while he's

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Speaker 1: sitting at a desk. And here he is getting massage

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Speaker 1: from his ex girlfriend. I guess Glaine Maxwell and someone

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Speaker 1: who's been brought into the fold by Glaime Maxwell. She said,

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Speaker 1: I received, they'll she's there. You're gonna work on his

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Speaker 1: feet while he's at his desk. Yep.

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Speaker 2: And then, as most of the victims survivors will tell you,

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Speaker 2: that would escalate each time you go a little orther

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Speaker 2: up the leg, go up the thigh.

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Speaker 3: And that's exactly.

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Speaker 1: What ended to your point, Can you pick it up

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Speaker 1: where you left?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: That is so you and moaned a bit, and I thought, okay,

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Speaker 2: this is going well. Within ten minutes of my being there,

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Speaker 2: you asked me to have to leave.

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Speaker 3: Oh sorry, to leave with you guys that night to

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Speaker 3: go to Florida.

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Speaker 2: I had never heard of anything so spontaneous and far fetched.

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Speaker 2: And yet I know that you were serious, or I

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Speaker 2: knew that you were serious. I had a previous engagement.

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Speaker 2: I was throwing a dinner party, and so you said

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Speaker 2: you would see me when you got back and have

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Speaker 2: your security call and schedule.

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Speaker 3: You did, and my life was forever changed.

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Speaker 1: Wow, ten minutes, hop on my private playing with me

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Speaker 1: and go to Florida. Ten minutes. I mean, he how

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Speaker 1: is that not the most exciting thing in life? He's

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Speaker 1: offering and showing, and I don't know who this young

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Speaker 1: lady is and what ultimately happened. But she goes on

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Speaker 1: to write this glowing note and says I love you

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Speaker 1: and signs off. When I'm with you, I laugh like

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Speaker 1: a little girl and feel like a woman. And then

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Speaker 1: she signs off I love you with.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, a heart and then a picture of

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Speaker 3: her butt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but she spoke so fondly of him. Don't know

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Speaker 1: what ultimately happened with her or to her, but she

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Speaker 1: spoke so fondly of a guy who, for all intents

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Speaker 1: and purposes, she was a target of his.

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Speaker 3: That was Yes, she was being groomed, and she's.

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Speaker 1: Speaking so highly and favorably and loving about him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean everyone had different experiences and everyone felt

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Speaker 2: like they had different levels of choice perhaps in the matter.

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Speaker 2: And hopefully she was old enough to know the difference.

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Speaker 2: So many of his victims were not.

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Speaker 1: This is it's fascinating and look, we've learned a lot es.

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Speaker 1: I think this book gave me more insight than I

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Speaker 1: have to a lot of this story for sure.

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Speaker 2: I mean this was way more eye opening and insightful

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Speaker 2: than anything I've seen before. And we've kind of rolled

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Speaker 2: our eyes and you kind of glaze over, oh more

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Speaker 2: Epstein files because they haven't really shown anything.

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Speaker 3: This actually was substantive and educational.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, folks, we appreciate you as always listening

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Speaker 1: we have been doing a lot of updates lately. But

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Speaker 1: for now, for Amy Robot, I'm TJ. Holmes. We'll talk

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