WEBVTT - House Speaker UPDATE 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:05.320 Well, the sixth time was not a charm for Kevin McCarthy. 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:09.319 They have now decided to wait till seven Central, eight 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:13.200 Eastern to get back at this, trying to figure out 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:17.520 what they're gonna do now. David Jolly said on MSNBC 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:19.880 there's just not a pathway now for Kevin McCarthy. It's 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:23.800 time for him to withdraw se n Jake Tapper says, quote, 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:28.720 democracy is messy, and he actually is defending the Republicans 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:32.159 who refused to vote for Kevin McCarthy, which may be 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:36.440 the most interesting and shocking moment of the day on CNN. 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:38.360 Let me just turn and just say, like I know 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:41.760 the viewers out there, this probably seems like chaotic and insane, 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.640 but hey, this is democracy. I mean, we can't pretend 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.320 that this is I mean, I think Congressman Gallagher was 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.480 right earlier today he said this is messy, and democracy 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:54.320 is messy. It's a feature, not a bug. That's true. 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.000 These people are exercising they're right to do that, and 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:59.279 a lot of them, I don't know all of them, 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:01.480 but a lot of the why rebels are voting the 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:04.720 way they're voting because they actually want substantive changes to 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.679 the rules. I think that is really an open question. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.960 I was literally now, I'm not gonna let you hear 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:14.200 their fodder. But it was an interesting moment there from 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:17.720 Jake Tapper asking this question, joining me as a guest 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:20.560 of mine. You heard her yesterday and we're going to 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.560 talk to her again today. Senior congressional reporter Washington Times 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:27.600 Kerry Picketts with McCarry. You heard you heard that moment 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:31.840 there from Jake Tapper, who we actually said, look house 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.720 to Republicans refused to vote for Kevin McCarthy a speaker. 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:40.120 Are doing this because they want real changes to the rules. 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:45.120 We've now gone through six votes, they've adjourned again. Where 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:47.720 are we and what are they doing behind closed doors 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:53.560 right now? Okay, Well, it appears that I spoke with 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:59.960 Chip Roy earlier today and he's one of the negotiators 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:04.640 for the for the never Kevin's as they are as 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:09.800 they are being called, uh, and you know he says that, uh, 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:14.480 negotiations are moving in a positive direction. But look, I 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.200 want to be very clear about this. There isn't so 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:21.280 much the never Kevin's and the always Kevin's. Uh what 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.799 you have here? Uh like sort of like the twenty 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:29.280 or so, never Kevin's. Then you have the always Kevin's Okay, 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.280 no one will say, you know, we're supporting Kevin to 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:37.120 no matter what. And then you have the vast majority 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:43.000 of the Republican Conference, which is basically, we don't really 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.919 care so much as we'll support the person who really 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:50.160 has the majority of the votes. We'll go that way. 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:54.000 Just pick somebody, damn it. Okay, yeah, I mean no, 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:55.960 it's as right. I mean, I've talked to members of 0:02:56.000 --> 0:03:00.200 Congress who are at this point like this is just ridiculous, 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.520 hurry up and do it. Yeah, exactly. It's not so 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:05.480 much that they're just like, oh yeah, we're like all 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:09.120 about Kevin McCarthy, all right. Yeah, it's it's just that 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.200 they're going to look, if it seems like, you know, 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.920 Kevin McCarthy is like the guy that everyone seems to 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.120 be sort of going with, then like that, you know, 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.920 that huge faction is gonna go with Kevin McCarthy. But 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.040 if it seems like the vibe is going towards somebody else, 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:27.800 then that huge faction is gonna go towards, you know, 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:31.920 towards like somebody else, you know. But they're not so 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:36.040 much they're like die hards towards any one person. Uh. 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:38.840 They are the ones who are just like, look, we 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:42.640 just want to we just want to move on. And look, 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.840 I'm sure like the you know, twenty or so anti 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.200 Kevin's and then twenty or so uh pro Kevin diehards 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:52.840 also want to move on, you know, badly as well. 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:57.160 But you know they're the ones who are really like 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:01.000 the most vocal about their position students right now. So 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.200 those are sort of like the three factions right now 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:07.520 that that are really uh you know out there. When 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.000 you when you mentioned earlier by the way you spoke 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.400 with Chip Rory Roy, he seems to be a guy 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:17.560 that is trying to somehow get the rules changes and 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.240 then go to the never Kevin say all right, look 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.800 we got a lot more than any of us could 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:27.520 have imagined, and let's get this done. He does seem 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.600 to be I guess you'd say the most level headed. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.360 Then you look at people like Matt Gates and Bobert, 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.040 they're pretty much like, the hell with you, He's not 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.000 getting it. We'll stay here as long as it takes 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.000 to prove that point. Has there been in the movement 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:44.200 behind closed Doors on how to deal with that. As 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.360 of now, it doesn't seem like it. The big problem 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.680 is that no one really seems to know what the 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:56.520 demands are of the never Kevins, because honestly, ben of 0:04:56.560 --> 0:05:00.960 the of the twenty never Kevins, it's like all of 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:04.880 them have kind of different demands. So for example, uh, 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:08.840 Matt Gates, you know, at first, as we talked about 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.400 very recently, Uh, it was more of a personal problems 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:16.200 that that like he had with Kevin McCarthy. Okay, fine, 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:22.360 Now uh, apparently he is asking for a sub subcommittee 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:27.080 chairmanship uh on on on one of the committees. Uh. 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:31.320 And so there's some horse trading that he started putting forward. Uh, 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:35.040 and that is kind of being thrown out there. And 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:38.160 then there's also um other things where you have someone 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.040 like Ralph Norman who's saying, well, my problem, as we 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:46.320 discussed uh, you know very previously, has to do with spending. Okay, well, 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:51.640 there's like another demand there. Then there's issues about uh, well, 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.880 we don't want leadership to be getting into any of 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:59.159 our primaries. Okay, there's another issue. Then there's issues about earmarks. 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.600 Uh don't we want to ban earmarks? Because you had 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:07.560 the Democratic majority last time around who brought earmarks back. 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.320 So it's a whole morgeseport of like different demands from 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.640 twenty different people who you know, many of them just 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:18.400 got to Capitol Hill about two minutes ago. And you 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.760 know what, if you had a grievance with Kevin McCarthy, 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.920 you know, years ago and so on so forth, all right, 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.960 maybe I can get it. But if you just got 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:32.320 here and don't even know where the bathroom is, some 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.000 people are sort of wondering what exactly your agenda? Maybe, 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:38.599 and it may just be to raise your personal persona 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:40.600 and the number of people that follow you on Twitter 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.880 and people now believe that, you know, having your name 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:48.160 be known by people gives you political capital in DC. 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:52.160 Not actually the truth, but you know, hey, it's popularity contests. 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.599 I want to talk about Lauren Boebert real quick. She 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:59.240 nominated representative Byron Donald's Republican Florida for the House Speaker, 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:03.200 called on former President Trump to nudge Kevin McCarthy out 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.679 of the race, saying you do not have the votes 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.080 and it's time to withdrawal, saying it from the four 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.800 of the House. Donald Trump has made it clear today, 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:15.440 get this thing done. He's backing Kevin McCarthy, saying move 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:19.160 on and enjoy the moment and celebrate, sending Nancy Pelosi 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:25.600 back home. This is a weird situation that Trump has 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:31.120 kind of gotten himself into because here you have the 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:36.120 faction that relies on Donald Trump's support, but at the 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:41.080 same time they're not being slayed by mister Trump's, uh, 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:45.160 you know, call to support Kevin McCarthy. There, I mean, 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.680 I I spoke a ship royd Adame. He's like, what 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:51.680 Donald Trump made a statement like that's news? Like who cares? 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.680 You had a Lauren Bobert who said something you know 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:00.720 who like said for as you just said, for to 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:05.320 persuade Kevin McCarthy to get out of the race. Uh, 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.240 none of them are being swayed by mister Trump's call 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.520 to do this. So, uh it looks like this may 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.600 be a big, big problem for him, not just now, 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:17.560 but maybe in twenty four. What point does this going 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:21.440 back to Kevin McCarthy, does he give up or say 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.960 screw it, and or does he have that perspective of look, 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.360 I'm still in the driver's seat. There is no one 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.840 else that is as close as I am. We'll just 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:37.440 keep going and eventually maybe of the twenty fifteen, what 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:39.160 does he need fifteen of him to come back to him? 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:45.360 Or fourteen or sixteen? Um, he he would need at 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:50.120 least uh, you know, a good fifteen at least, you know, 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:53.120 to to uh you know, or maybe seventeen at least, 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.720 you know, Like, I mean, how many can only how 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:59.720 many can you lose? Can you lose? Is I've seen 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:03.079 say four or five? He can only lose. He can 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.880 only lose four. So is there a way that Kevin 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:13.160 McCarthy can get of these twenty sixteen of them back? Uh? 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.520 That's you know, that's a high bar for him. That's 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:22.360 a very very high bar. And uh that's why anytime, look, 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.720 don't bother uh really talking to those uh you know, 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:31.959 never Kevin's or always Kevin's to really change their minds 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.880 on anything. The ones who are sort of like if 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.600 people are kind of talking to right now, are the 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:45.240 who cares it's a you know, we just want somebody, okay, 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:47.520 And those are the ones that people are talking to. 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.880 They're the ones who may have to go up to McCarthy. 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:56.520 And this is only if this is only if uh, 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:00.760 you know, McCarthy is uh and having to be persuaded 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:05.040 to step aside, or they would have to go up 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:06.840 to McCarthy. And these the ones who have been consistently 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.160 voting for McCarthy, They say, look, we've been voting for 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.720 you round after round after round. Now I'm getting you know, 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:16.840 we're gonna have to go somebody in like some other 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:20.680 direction if you can't close the deal? Dude, what was 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:24.840 the hope of this adjournment? Till eight o'clock eastern, seven Central? 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:26.880 And my guests, I mean you need to follow on Twitter. 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:31.199 Carry Pickett, Senior Congression reporter for Washington Times, M Carrie, 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.000 I mean the hope was what? Because it didn't help 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:36.880 him adjourney yesterday overnight? I mean it part of me says, 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:39.920 just wait him out and if you just go fifty 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.160 rounds with him, at some point, would somebody to say 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:45.679 screw it, will vote for you, be done with it? Uh? 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:50.760 You know what, the it's the same thing. It's the same. 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.840 It's basically trying to hammer around a deal, all right, 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.240 and like, but is it one? But here's my question. 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:01.440 Is it one deal or is it fifteen different deals? 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:07.440 It's funny you mentioned the uh, the number fifteen because 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:13.400 some people will mentioned sixteen rounds, so you know, we 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:17.360 could go up to fifteen rounds or sixteen rounds. But 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:22.320 the thing that could really start to get some members, 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:26.360 some lawmakers to really start to think about whether or 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.240 not they should be supporting or not supporting Kevin McCarthy. 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:31.920 Are the district offices all right? I want everyone to 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:36.880 think about that, because, first off, how are people going 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.559 to maybe let's say that they need they need to 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.600 go overseas for for whatever reason, to visit family, for 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:47.120 an emergency, for work, and uh and they need a 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.319 last minute passport. Oh sorry, you can't get it from 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.640 your from your congressman's office because you don't have a congressman. 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.840 As far as on the House side is concerned, what 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:00.440 if you need your congressman for whatever district service? Your 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:04.760 district office is closed for any type of service. If 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.480 I can't believe I'm asking you this question, but right now, 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:11.800 if I call a congressman's office who is quote newly elected, 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:14.840 is anyone at local office? Is anyone going to answer that? 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:16.800 Or is that staff not allowed to go in there 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:22.920 until this is official? I would imagine that there's at 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:28.600 least one staffer. But as far as doing services, constituent services. 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:32.000 They're not up and running, is what you're basically telling me. Yeah, 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.400 that's that's going to be very very hard to get 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:39.080 constituent services from a House member. All right, arrogance factor, 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:40.880 and I'm going to take a very quick break and 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:42.920 come back, my guest. Let me carry Pickett Senior Congression 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:46.200 report at Washingtimes there was an X factor question of 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.360 he already moved in the Speaker's office and that was 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:52.760 a really stupid move. Did that actually happen? There are 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:55.080 some people that said they were angry over the arrogance 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.839 to Kevin McCarthy because he got the boxes shipped over 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:02.800 and was moving into the speaker's office or false. Uh, yeah, 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:07.720 that's that's a true you had he he had a 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:12.840 number of his belongings from his minority leader's office put 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:16.600 over to the Speaker's office. Uh, sort of assuming that 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:20.760 he would end up winning right away. But in this 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.560 but in the same light, sometimes it's uh, it's also 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.120 a strategy to say, hey, look I got the votes, 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.679 because if he didn't do that, that could have that 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:35.960 could have also indicated that he wasn't right exactly. So 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.520 it was sort of like a double edged sword. Uh, 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.839 you know where is he meeting? Now? Where where is 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.120 like the meetings? He's not meeting in the Speaker's office, 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.959 I'm assuming so is he meeting in his old office? Still? 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.520 How is that? No? No, no, no, no, there is 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:54.559 an office um right off the floor, um like right 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:58.360 off the house floor. Uh that sometimes uh, like the 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:01.800 leaders meet, uh and they can kind of had their 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:07.079 little huddles. So that's where he is meeting with Gooke members. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:11.600 So it's not exactly ideal, but it's a place for 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:15.320 him to talk with other lawmakers. All right, let me 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:19.200 ask you another question the news strategy and last night 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:23.120 people were talking about free pizza. Were they meeting directly 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:27.160 with these twenty holdouts or were they meeting with intermediarias 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.160 who were then meeting with the other twenty? Were they 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:33.760 meeting in groups individually? What's how's this work? The strategy? 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:35.880 How's that working? Because it failed last night, I'd assume 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.880 they try to change the strategy now. Well, here was 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.560 a weird thing was that when I was doing some 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:44.400 of the steak out last night, I noticed that he 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:49.800 was mainly talking to lawmakers who were on his side 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:55.640 as far as seeing any of the never Kevins. I 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.720 didn't see any of them walking in theirs. But for 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.400 all we know, he made been talking to them through 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:07.080 conference you know, like a conference call, so that that 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:11.880 made have been going on. But as far as uh, 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:17.800 you know, negotiations were concerned, as we saw today, whatever 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:23.120 was being talked about just didn't worked out. So you know, 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:27.000 I think the main problem once again is just not 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:32.840 knowing what his opponents want from him. Well, and that's 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:35.200 and that's where it's at some point, I do think 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.360 the American people and this is a point made earlier 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.080 today on Fox and I don't remember you said it, 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.120 but it made It was an interesting point, and that's 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.040 why I want to bring it up again. There was 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:47.120 there was a certain point today where somebody said, if 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.520 you don't know what the demands of the other person are, 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.680 then it's impossible to negotiate with them. If he walked 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:54.960 in and said, all right, every one of you tell 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.080 me what you want, I'm going to give it to you. 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:02.120 Can he even facilitate that this moment or is it? 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.360 For some of these twenty it's you, Kevin, and you 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:11.160 can't fix that. You see, That's just it because a 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.760 good number of them just don't want him. Like, I know, 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.320 I know what chip Roy wants, right, you know that 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.840 he's made it clear. But when you listen to the 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:25.520 speech that was given earlier by Bobert, I mean, I 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:29.440 have no idea what she wants. I really don't, except 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:31.640 I guess I don't like Kevin and I'm gonna make 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:36.080 sure he's not the speaker right right, Basically, they're trying 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:40.240 to make his life such a living hell that he 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:47.360 just backs out. Now, let's just say, let's just say, 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:51.360 for example, they get what they want. Let's say McCarthy 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:57.000 is so worn down that he steps out. Well, there 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:01.640 is some talk on the hill at whoever ends up 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:05.760 stepping in that McCarthy behind the scenes and his and 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.560 his die hard supporters are going to make that person's 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:14.720 life a living hell. That is, um in fact, a 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:19.080 big reason why a lot of the you know, people 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:23.120 who are are being put up there or are being 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.840 talked about, whether it's Jim Jordan or Steve Scalies and whatnot, 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.880 don't want the job because they don't want to deal 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:38.040 with any sort of backlash from the Kevin McCarthy diehards. Yeah, 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.520 it's weird that the most powerful job in the Republican 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.399 Party right now. There's not a lot of people saying 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:48.359 I want it outside of Kevin McCarthy, who's totally obsessed 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.720 with being it right exactly. They're just like, oh yeah, 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.800 because if I step in and then I'm looking and 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:58.400 then I'm looked as a backstabb er to Kevin McCarthy 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.320 by all the Kevin McCarthy hearts in, I'm going to 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:03.160 be the one who's going to have to deal with 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.199 all these people who are gonna hate my guts and 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.520 try and basically make me a big failure in the end. 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.920 I heard earlier today from one member of Congress, and 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:13.399 I'll end with this because I know you'd need to 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.840 get back at it. But I was told today that 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:20.600 there was a idea floated of if McCarthy drops out, 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:25.560 bringing back someone to be speaker like Mike Pence. Is 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.400 that something that could really happen or is that just 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.959 give me a break? That's that's called give me a 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.879 huge freaking break. Okay. I mean, I mean, you hear 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.840 at this point everybody's throwing out every different possibility. And 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.120 I heard that was like, well, never thought i'd hear 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:45.320 that one again. But Okay, here we are. Yeah, I 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:50.880 mean that's called desperation. All right, your guests, eight o'clock eastern, 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:54.800 seventh Central, look into your DC crystal ball. What do 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.240 you think's gonna happen? And will anything change on the 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:04.640 first ballot I or the next ballot? The next ballot? Yet? Nah? Noah, 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:06.560 I don't see anything changing the next ballot right now? 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:08.320 Is there a chance it's an all nighter for you 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.560 if I can help it? No? Okay, there you go. 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:15.919 I like it all right. I love bothering you. Carry Pickett, 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:19.040 senior congressional reporter for Washingtimes. Give everybody your handle on 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:23.000 where to follow you. Hey, find me on Twitter with 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.800 at carry picket. That's k e r y p I 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.439 c k et just like the fence. There you go, 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:30.639 bother to night. You can tweet at her. She'll give 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:32.880 you updates. It's great stuff. That's why I love having 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:37.440 her on. Thank you, Carrie. I'll probably bother you again tomorrow. Now. 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:42.760 There is one Congresswoman, Lauren Bobert, who barely won a 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.800 reelection Colorado, who feels like she was hung out to 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:49.640 dry by the Republican Party. Why because many of them 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:53.160 thought she was hard to deal with. They didn't like her, 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:55.720 she didn't play well with others. Was there complaints, So 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:57.800 they were kind of hoping they could get rid of her. 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:02.000 They didn't. She's a maga individual. She wrapped herself around 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:05.240 Donald Trump, and Donald Trumps even said now to her, 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:10.440 hey move on with Kevin McCarthy. Warren Bobert nominated represented 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:14.240 Byron Donald's Republican from Florida for House Speaker, and then 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:17.520 called on the former President Trump to nudge Kevin McCarthy 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:21.760 out of the race. Take a listen, rise, Madam Clark. 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:27.600 I rise to nominate Congressman Byron Donalds. The gentlewoman is recognized. 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:36.120 I rise today to nominate Byron Donalds, my friend, an 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:40.560 amazing man of Florida, an amazing leader, someone who almost 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.280 even took leadership here in our Republican party and came 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:45.400 very close in doing so. And it was a very 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:50.200 brave run that he took. He's a man who understands 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:53.159 what tough times look like and it's come out of 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:58.560 those tough times even stronger, more liberally liberated, and as 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:02.520 a leader. Now, we just heard from my respected colleague 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:06.800 from Ohio and he stated some amazing rules that we 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:10.520 have been able to get an agreement on I think 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:13.879 we were threatened pretty heavily in conference, saying if we 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:17.840 don't do as we ought, then some of those rules 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:22.280 may just go away. But even naming the Germanist rule, 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:27.440 which is really fantastic after Morgan Griffith, well that was 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:33.879 our idea too. My question is why didn't the supposed 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:39.080 leader of the Republican Party present these rules? Why were 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:44.840 we fought so hard on these rules. The barrier that 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:48.439 still stands in the way of these rules is the 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:52.199 structure that prevents us from rolling over. And as my 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:55.560 friend from chip Roy stated, we need the tools and 0:21:56.040 --> 0:22:00.679 the leadership to do our job correctly, and that Byron 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:05.360 Donalds is the man to lead us to that path 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:09.800 of getting America on track and uniting the Republican Party. 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:14.639 My colleagues and I have worked tirelessly for months to 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:19.840 build consensus, to negotiate in good faith, to help unify 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:25.960 our party on border security, energy security, debt reduction, term limits, earmarks, 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:31.520 among other many common sense policies. But too often our 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:36.760 efforts have fallen on deaf ears. Our border is wide open, 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.600 inflation is out of control. The Senate just passed one 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:44.520 point seven trillion dollars without our input. So let me 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:49.240 be clear. Our job is not to coronate the biggest fundraiser, 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:53.359 or rubber stamp the status quo, or keep on going 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:58.359 along to get along. It's to use our votes to 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:02.880 elect a speaker who will enable us to get our 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:06.800 country back on track. Getting the job done is what 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.760 we were elected to do, and that starts with having 0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:16.800 a leader who supports Republican principles, builds consensus, and has 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:25.400 a proven track record of success. Byron Donalds is that leader. Republicans, 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:31.880 including many moderates, have been impressed by Byron Donalds. They're 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:39.240 impressed by his ability to work together. They respect his leadership. 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:44.480 We see him as someone who can communicate what we 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:48.080 are all wanting to do in this House to Americans, 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:50.920 and he represents so much more than just his district 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:54.600 in Florida. Many millions of Americans all over this nation 0:23:55.880 --> 0:24:00.320 praise the work and the leadership of Byron Donalds. Let's 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:05.720 work together. Let's stop with the campaign smears and tactics 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:09.399 to get people to turn against us. Even having my 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:12.800 favorite president call us and tell us we need to 0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:15.080 knock this off. I think it actually needs to be reversed. 0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:18.560 The president needs to tell Kevin McCarthy that, sir, you 0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:21.680 do not have the votes and it's time to withdraw. 0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:27.280 With that, I yield. Thank you. There it was, That's 0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:30.879 what she had to say. Now there's people asking the 0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:34.960 question do you stand with that? Chip Roy also making 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:38.960 it clear today in a speech on CNN, I think 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:46.360 doing a brilliant job. Okay, a brilliant job explaining what 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:49.159 he wants. It's a lot different than Bobert and what 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:52.080 you just heard from Bobert. Take a listen to Chip 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:57.800 roy or earlier today as McCarthy suffered another defeat on 0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:01.120 another ballot, we're now up to sit he's not one 0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:05.159 any of these obviously that you seem actually focused on 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:07.480 a set of principles and rule changes that you want 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:11.399 to see enacted as opposed to having a personal animus 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:16.400 against Kevin McCarthy. Do you agree with that assessment or no? Yeah, 0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:18.360 First of all, thanks for having me on. I think 0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:20.840 that's pretty close to correct. I would take some issue 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:23.840 with saying that I've been in constant opposition to McCarthy 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:27.440 as much as trying to offer changes that I think 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:30.280 are paramount to make the housework again. That is, by 0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:33.200