1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Well, the sixth time was not a charm for Kevin McCarthy. 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: They have now decided to wait till seven Central, eight 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Eastern to get back at this, trying to figure out 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: what they're gonna do now. David Jolly said on MSNBC 5 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: there's just not a pathway now for Kevin McCarthy. It's 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: time for him to withdraw se n Jake Tapper says, quote, 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: democracy is messy, and he actually is defending the Republicans 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: who refused to vote for Kevin McCarthy, which may be 9 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: the most interesting and shocking moment of the day on CNN. 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: Let me just turn and just say, like I know 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: the viewers out there, this probably seems like chaotic and insane, 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: but hey, this is democracy. I mean, we can't pretend 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: that this is I mean, I think Congressman Gallagher was 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: right earlier today he said this is messy, and democracy 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: is messy. It's a feature, not a bug. That's true. 16 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: These people are exercising they're right to do that, and 17 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: a lot of them, I don't know all of them, 18 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: but a lot of the why rebels are voting the 19 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: way they're voting because they actually want substantive changes to 20 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: the rules. I think that is really an open question. 21 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: I was literally now, I'm not gonna let you hear 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: their fodder. But it was an interesting moment there from 23 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: Jake Tapper asking this question, joining me as a guest 24 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: of mine. You heard her yesterday and we're going to 25 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: talk to her again today. Senior congressional reporter Washington Times 26 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: Kerry Picketts with McCarry. You heard you heard that moment 27 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: there from Jake Tapper, who we actually said, look house 28 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: to Republicans refused to vote for Kevin McCarthy a speaker. 29 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: Are doing this because they want real changes to the rules. 30 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: We've now gone through six votes, they've adjourned again. Where 31 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: are we and what are they doing behind closed doors 32 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: right now? Okay, Well, it appears that I spoke with 33 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: Chip Roy earlier today and he's one of the negotiators 34 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: for the for the never Kevin's as they are as 35 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: they are being called, uh, and you know he says that, uh, 36 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: negotiations are moving in a positive direction. But look, I 37 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: want to be very clear about this. There isn't so 38 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: much the never Kevin's and the always Kevin's. Uh what 39 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: you have here? Uh like sort of like the twenty 40 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: or so, never Kevin's. Then you have the always Kevin's Okay, 41 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: no one will say, you know, we're supporting Kevin to 42 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: no matter what. And then you have the vast majority 43 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: of the Republican Conference, which is basically, we don't really 44 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: care so much as we'll support the person who really 45 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: has the majority of the votes. We'll go that way. 46 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: Just pick somebody, damn it. Okay, yeah, I mean no, 47 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: it's as right. I mean, I've talked to members of 48 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: Congress who are at this point like this is just ridiculous, 49 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: hurry up and do it. Yeah, exactly. It's not so 50 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: much that they're just like, oh yeah, we're like all 51 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: about Kevin McCarthy, all right. Yeah, it's it's just that 52 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: they're going to look, if it seems like, you know, 53 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy is like the guy that everyone seems to 54 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: be sort of going with, then like that, you know, 55 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: that huge faction is gonna go with Kevin McCarthy. But 56 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: if it seems like the vibe is going towards somebody else, 57 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: then that huge faction is gonna go towards, you know, 58 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: towards like somebody else, you know. But they're not so 59 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: much they're like die hards towards any one person. Uh. 60 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: They are the ones who are just like, look, we 61 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: just want to we just want to move on. And look, 62 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure like the you know, twenty or so anti 63 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: Kevin's and then twenty or so uh pro Kevin diehards 64 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: also want to move on, you know, badly as well. 65 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: But you know they're the ones who are really like 66 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: the most vocal about their position students right now. So 67 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: those are sort of like the three factions right now 68 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: that that are really uh you know out there. When 69 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: you when you mentioned earlier by the way you spoke 70 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: with Chip Rory Roy, he seems to be a guy 71 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: that is trying to somehow get the rules changes and 72 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: then go to the never Kevin say all right, look 73 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: we got a lot more than any of us could 74 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: have imagined, and let's get this done. He does seem 75 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: to be I guess you'd say the most level headed. 76 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: Then you look at people like Matt Gates and Bobert, 77 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: they're pretty much like, the hell with you, He's not 78 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: getting it. We'll stay here as long as it takes 79 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: to prove that point. Has there been in the movement 80 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: behind closed Doors on how to deal with that. As 81 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: of now, it doesn't seem like it. The big problem 82 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: is that no one really seems to know what the 83 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: demands are of the never Kevins, because honestly, ben of 84 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: the of the twenty never Kevins, it's like all of 85 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: them have kind of different demands. So for example, uh, 86 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: Matt Gates, you know, at first, as we talked about 87 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: very recently, Uh, it was more of a personal problems 88 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: that that like he had with Kevin McCarthy. Okay, fine, 89 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: Now uh, apparently he is asking for a sub subcommittee 90 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: chairmanship uh on on on one of the committees. Uh. 91 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: And so there's some horse trading that he started putting forward. Uh, 92 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: and that is kind of being thrown out there. And 93 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: then there's also um other things where you have someone 94 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: like Ralph Norman who's saying, well, my problem, as we 95 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: discussed uh, you know very previously, has to do with spending. Okay, well, 96 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: there's like another demand there. Then there's issues about uh, well, 97 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: we don't want leadership to be getting into any of 98 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: our primaries. Okay, there's another issue. Then there's issues about earmarks. 99 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: Uh don't we want to ban earmarks? Because you had 100 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: the Democratic majority last time around who brought earmarks back. 101 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: So it's a whole morgeseport of like different demands from 102 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: twenty different people who you know, many of them just 103 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: got to Capitol Hill about two minutes ago. And you 104 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: know what, if you had a grievance with Kevin McCarthy, 105 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: you know, years ago and so on so forth, all right, 106 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: maybe I can get it. But if you just got 107 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: here and don't even know where the bathroom is, some 108 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: people are sort of wondering what exactly your agenda? Maybe, 109 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: and it may just be to raise your personal persona 110 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: and the number of people that follow you on Twitter 111 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: and people now believe that, you know, having your name 112 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: be known by people gives you political capital in DC. 113 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: Not actually the truth, but you know, hey, it's popularity contests. 114 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: I want to talk about Lauren Boebert real quick. She 115 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: nominated representative Byron Donald's Republican Florida for the House Speaker, 116 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: called on former President Trump to nudge Kevin McCarthy out 117 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,679 Speaker 1: of the race, saying you do not have the votes 118 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: and it's time to withdrawal, saying it from the four 119 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: of the House. Donald Trump has made it clear today, 120 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: get this thing done. He's backing Kevin McCarthy, saying move 121 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: on and enjoy the moment and celebrate, sending Nancy Pelosi 122 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: back home. This is a weird situation that Trump has 123 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: kind of gotten himself into because here you have the 124 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: faction that relies on Donald Trump's support, but at the 125 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: same time they're not being slayed by mister Trump's, uh, 126 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, call to support Kevin McCarthy. There, I mean, 127 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: I I spoke a ship royd Adame. He's like, what 128 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: Donald Trump made a statement like that's news? Like who cares? 129 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: You had a Lauren Bobert who said something you know 130 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: who like said for as you just said, for to 131 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: persuade Kevin McCarthy to get out of the race. Uh, 132 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: none of them are being swayed by mister Trump's call 133 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: to do this. So, uh it looks like this may 134 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: be a big, big problem for him, not just now, 135 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: but maybe in twenty four. What point does this going 136 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: back to Kevin McCarthy, does he give up or say 137 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: screw it, and or does he have that perspective of look, 138 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: I'm still in the driver's seat. There is no one 139 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: else that is as close as I am. We'll just 140 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: keep going and eventually maybe of the twenty fifteen, what 141 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: does he need fifteen of him to come back to him? 142 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: Or fourteen or sixteen? Um, he he would need at 143 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: least uh, you know, a good fifteen at least, you know, 144 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: to to uh you know, or maybe seventeen at least, 145 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: you know, Like, I mean, how many can only how 146 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: many can you lose? Can you lose? Is I've seen 147 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: say four or five? He can only lose. He can 148 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: only lose four. So is there a way that Kevin 149 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: McCarthy can get of these twenty sixteen of them back? Uh? 150 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: That's you know, that's a high bar for him. That's 151 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: a very very high bar. And uh that's why anytime, look, 152 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: don't bother uh really talking to those uh you know, 153 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: never Kevin's or always Kevin's to really change their minds 154 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: on anything. The ones who are sort of like if 155 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: people are kind of talking to right now, are the 156 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: who cares it's a you know, we just want somebody, okay, 157 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: And those are the ones that people are talking to. 158 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: They're the ones who may have to go up to McCarthy. 159 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: And this is only if this is only if uh, 160 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, McCarthy is uh and having to be persuaded 161 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: to step aside, or they would have to go up 162 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: to McCarthy. And these the ones who have been consistently 163 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: voting for McCarthy, They say, look, we've been voting for 164 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: you round after round after round. Now I'm getting you know, 165 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to go somebody in like some other 166 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: direction if you can't close the deal? Dude, what was 167 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: the hope of this adjournment? Till eight o'clock eastern, seven Central? 168 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: And my guests, I mean you need to follow on Twitter. 169 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: Carry Pickett, Senior Congression reporter for Washington Times, M Carrie, 170 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: I mean the hope was what? Because it didn't help 171 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: him adjourney yesterday overnight? I mean it part of me says, 172 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: just wait him out and if you just go fifty 173 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: rounds with him, at some point, would somebody to say 174 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: screw it, will vote for you, be done with it? Uh? 175 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: You know what, the it's the same thing. It's the same. 176 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: It's basically trying to hammer around a deal, all right, 177 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: and like, but is it one? But here's my question. 178 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: Is it one deal or is it fifteen different deals? 179 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned the uh, the number fifteen because 180 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: some people will mentioned sixteen rounds, so you know, we 181 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: could go up to fifteen rounds or sixteen rounds. But 182 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: the thing that could really start to get some members, 183 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: some lawmakers to really start to think about whether or 184 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: not they should be supporting or not supporting Kevin McCarthy. 185 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: Are the district offices all right? I want everyone to 186 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: think about that, because, first off, how are people going 187 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: to maybe let's say that they need they need to 188 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: go overseas for for whatever reason, to visit family, for 189 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: an emergency, for work, and uh and they need a 190 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: last minute passport. Oh sorry, you can't get it from 191 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: your from your congressman's office because you don't have a congressman. 192 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: As far as on the House side is concerned, what 193 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: if you need your congressman for whatever district service? Your 194 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: district office is closed for any type of service. If 195 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm asking you this question, but right now, 196 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: if I call a congressman's office who is quote newly elected, 197 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: is anyone at local office? Is anyone going to answer that? 198 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: Or is that staff not allowed to go in there 199 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: until this is official? I would imagine that there's at 200 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: least one staffer. But as far as doing services, constituent services. 201 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: They're not up and running, is what you're basically telling me. Yeah, 202 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: that's that's going to be very very hard to get 203 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: constituent services from a House member. All right, arrogance factor, 204 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: and I'm going to take a very quick break and 205 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: come back, my guest. Let me carry Pickett Senior Congression 206 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: report at Washingtimes there was an X factor question of 207 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: he already moved in the Speaker's office and that was 208 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: a really stupid move. Did that actually happen? There are 209 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: some people that said they were angry over the arrogance 210 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: to Kevin McCarthy because he got the boxes shipped over 211 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: and was moving into the speaker's office or false. Uh, yeah, 212 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: that's that's a true you had he he had a 213 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: number of his belongings from his minority leader's office put 214 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: over to the Speaker's office. Uh, sort of assuming that 215 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: he would end up winning right away. But in this 216 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: but in the same light, sometimes it's uh, it's also 217 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: a strategy to say, hey, look I got the votes, 218 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: because if he didn't do that, that could have that 219 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: could have also indicated that he wasn't right exactly. So 220 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: it was sort of like a double edged sword. Uh, 221 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: you know where is he meeting? Now? Where where is 222 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: like the meetings? He's not meeting in the Speaker's office, 223 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 1: I'm assuming so is he meeting in his old office? Still? 224 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: How is that? No? No, no, no, no, there is 225 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: an office um right off the floor, um like right 226 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: off the house floor. Uh that sometimes uh, like the 227 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: leaders meet, uh and they can kind of had their 228 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: little huddles. So that's where he is meeting with Gooke members. 229 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: So it's not exactly ideal, but it's a place for 230 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: him to talk with other lawmakers. All right, let me 231 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: ask you another question the news strategy and last night 232 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: people were talking about free pizza. Were they meeting directly 233 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: with these twenty holdouts or were they meeting with intermediarias 234 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: who were then meeting with the other twenty? Were they 235 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: meeting in groups individually? What's how's this work? The strategy? 236 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: How's that working? Because it failed last night, I'd assume 237 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: they try to change the strategy now. Well, here was 238 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: a weird thing was that when I was doing some 239 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: of the steak out last night, I noticed that he 240 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: was mainly talking to lawmakers who were on his side 241 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: as far as seeing any of the never Kevins. I 242 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: didn't see any of them walking in theirs. But for 243 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: all we know, he made been talking to them through 244 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: conference you know, like a conference call, so that that 245 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: made have been going on. But as far as uh, 246 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: you know, negotiations were concerned, as we saw today, whatever 247 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: was being talked about just didn't worked out. So you know, 248 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: I think the main problem once again is just not 249 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: knowing what his opponents want from him. Well, and that's 250 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: and that's where it's at some point, I do think 251 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: the American people and this is a point made earlier 252 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: today on Fox and I don't remember you said it, 253 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: but it made It was an interesting point, and that's 254 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: why I want to bring it up again. There was 255 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: there was a certain point today where somebody said, if 256 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: you don't know what the demands of the other person are, 257 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: then it's impossible to negotiate with them. If he walked 258 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: in and said, all right, every one of you tell 259 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: me what you want, I'm going to give it to you. 260 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: Can he even facilitate that this moment or is it? 261 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: For some of these twenty it's you, Kevin, and you 262 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: can't fix that. You see, That's just it because a 263 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: good number of them just don't want him. Like, I know, 264 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: I know what chip Roy wants, right, you know that 265 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: he's made it clear. But when you listen to the 266 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: speech that was given earlier by Bobert, I mean, I 267 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: have no idea what she wants. I really don't, except 268 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: I guess I don't like Kevin and I'm gonna make 269 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: sure he's not the speaker right right, Basically, they're trying 270 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: to make his life such a living hell that he 271 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: just backs out. Now, let's just say, let's just say, 272 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: for example, they get what they want. Let's say McCarthy 273 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: is so worn down that he steps out. Well, there 274 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: is some talk on the hill at whoever ends up 275 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: stepping in that McCarthy behind the scenes and his and 276 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: his die hard supporters are going to make that person's 277 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: life a living hell. That is, um in fact, a 278 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: big reason why a lot of the you know, people 279 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: who are are being put up there or are being 280 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: talked about, whether it's Jim Jordan or Steve Scalies and whatnot, 281 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: don't want the job because they don't want to deal 282 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: with any sort of backlash from the Kevin McCarthy diehards. Yeah, 283 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: it's weird that the most powerful job in the Republican 284 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: Party right now. There's not a lot of people saying 285 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: I want it outside of Kevin McCarthy, who's totally obsessed 286 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: with being it right exactly. They're just like, oh yeah, 287 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: because if I step in and then I'm looking and 288 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: then I'm looked as a backstabb er to Kevin McCarthy 289 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: by all the Kevin McCarthy hearts in, I'm going to 290 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: be the one who's going to have to deal with 291 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: all these people who are gonna hate my guts and 292 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: try and basically make me a big failure in the end. 293 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: I heard earlier today from one member of Congress, and 294 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: I'll end with this because I know you'd need to 295 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: get back at it. But I was told today that 296 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: there was a idea floated of if McCarthy drops out, 297 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: bringing back someone to be speaker like Mike Pence. Is 298 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: that something that could really happen or is that just 299 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 1: give me a break? That's that's called give me a 300 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: huge freaking break. Okay. I mean, I mean, you hear 301 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: at this point everybody's throwing out every different possibility. And 302 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: I heard that was like, well, never thought i'd hear 303 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: that one again. But Okay, here we are. Yeah, I 304 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: mean that's called desperation. All right, your guests, eight o'clock eastern, 305 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: seventh Central, look into your DC crystal ball. What do 306 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: you think's gonna happen? And will anything change on the 307 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: first ballot I or the next ballot? The next ballot? Yet? Nah? Noah, 308 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: I don't see anything changing the next ballot right now? 309 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: Is there a chance it's an all nighter for you 310 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: if I can help it? No? Okay, there you go. 311 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: I like it all right. I love bothering you. Carry Pickett, 312 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: senior congressional reporter for Washingtimes. Give everybody your handle on 313 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: where to follow you. Hey, find me on Twitter with 314 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: at carry picket. That's k e r y p I 315 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: c k et just like the fence. There you go, 316 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: bother to night. You can tweet at her. She'll give 317 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: you updates. It's great stuff. That's why I love having 318 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: her on. Thank you, Carrie. I'll probably bother you again tomorrow. Now. 319 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: There is one Congresswoman, Lauren Bobert, who barely won a 320 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: reelection Colorado, who feels like she was hung out to 321 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: dry by the Republican Party. Why because many of them 322 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: thought she was hard to deal with. They didn't like her, 323 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: she didn't play well with others. Was there complaints, So 324 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: they were kind of hoping they could get rid of her. 325 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: They didn't. She's a maga individual. She wrapped herself around 326 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, and Donald Trumps even said now to her, 327 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: hey move on with Kevin McCarthy. Warren Bobert nominated represented 328 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: Byron Donald's Republican from Florida for House Speaker, and then 329 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: called on the former President Trump to nudge Kevin McCarthy 330 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: out of the race. Take a listen, rise, Madam Clark. 331 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: I rise to nominate Congressman Byron Donalds. The gentlewoman is recognized. 332 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 1: I rise today to nominate Byron Donalds, my friend, an 333 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: amazing man of Florida, an amazing leader, someone who almost 334 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: even took leadership here in our Republican party and came 335 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: very close in doing so. And it was a very 336 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: brave run that he took. He's a man who understands 337 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: what tough times look like and it's come out of 338 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: those tough times even stronger, more liberally liberated, and as 339 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: a leader. Now, we just heard from my respected colleague 340 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: from Ohio and he stated some amazing rules that we 341 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: have been able to get an agreement on I think 342 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: we were threatened pretty heavily in conference, saying if we 343 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: don't do as we ought, then some of those rules 344 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: may just go away. But even naming the Germanist rule, 345 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: which is really fantastic after Morgan Griffith, well that was 346 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: our idea too. My question is why didn't the supposed 347 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: leader of the Republican Party present these rules? Why were 348 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: we fought so hard on these rules. The barrier that 349 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: still stands in the way of these rules is the 350 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 1: structure that prevents us from rolling over. And as my 351 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: friend from chip Roy stated, we need the tools and 352 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: the leadership to do our job correctly, and that Byron 353 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: Donalds is the man to lead us to that path 354 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: of getting America on track and uniting the Republican Party. 355 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: My colleagues and I have worked tirelessly for months to 356 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: build consensus, to negotiate in good faith, to help unify 357 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: our party on border security, energy security, debt reduction, term limits, earmarks, 358 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: among other many common sense policies. But too often our 359 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: efforts have fallen on deaf ears. Our border is wide open, 360 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: inflation is out of control. The Senate just passed one 361 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: point seven trillion dollars without our input. So let me 362 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: be clear. Our job is not to coronate the biggest fundraiser, 363 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: or rubber stamp the status quo, or keep on going 364 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: along to get along. It's to use our votes to 365 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: elect a speaker who will enable us to get our 366 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: country back on track. Getting the job done is what 367 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: we were elected to do, and that starts with having 368 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: a leader who supports Republican principles, builds consensus, and has 369 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: a proven track record of success. Byron Donalds is that leader. Republicans, 370 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: including many moderates, have been impressed by Byron Donalds. They're 371 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: impressed by his ability to work together. They respect his leadership. 372 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: We see him as someone who can communicate what we 373 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: are all wanting to do in this House to Americans, 374 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: and he represents so much more than just his district 375 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: in Florida. Many millions of Americans all over this nation 376 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: praise the work and the leadership of Byron Donalds. Let's 377 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: work together. Let's stop with the campaign smears and tactics 378 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: to get people to turn against us. Even having my 379 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: favorite president call us and tell us we need to 380 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: knock this off. I think it actually needs to be reversed. 381 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: The president needs to tell Kevin McCarthy that, sir, you 382 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: do not have the votes and it's time to withdraw. 383 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: With that, I yield. Thank you. There it was, That's 384 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: what she had to say. Now there's people asking the 385 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: question do you stand with that? Chip Roy also making 386 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: it clear today in a speech on CNN, I think 387 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: doing a brilliant job. Okay, a brilliant job explaining what 388 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: he wants. It's a lot different than Bobert and what 389 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: you just heard from Bobert. Take a listen to Chip 390 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: roy or earlier today as McCarthy suffered another defeat on 391 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: another ballot, we're now up to sit he's not one 392 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: any of these obviously that you seem actually focused on 393 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: a set of principles and rule changes that you want 394 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: to see enacted as opposed to having a personal animus 395 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: against Kevin McCarthy. Do you agree with that assessment or no? Yeah, 396 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 1: First of all, thanks for having me on. I think 397 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: that's pretty close to correct. I would take some issue 398 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: with saying that I've been in constant opposition to McCarthy 399 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: as much as trying to offer changes that I think 400 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: are paramount to make the housework again. That is, by 401 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: the way, bipartisan criticism. We haven't had an amendment offered 402 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: an open debate on the floor of the House since 403 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: May of twenty sixteen. We cannot keep spending money we 404 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: don't have. We cannot continue to allow our border to 405 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: be wide open and dangering Americans and immigrants. We cannot 406 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: keep business as usual going. It's failing the country. And 407 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 1: everybody agrees, frankly, both sides of the aisle. So I've 408 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: got differences of opinion with colleagues across both sides of 409 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: the aisle. But the one thing we need to do 410 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: is change. We need the leadership and the tools to 411 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: stop the swamp from running over and stepping all over 412 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: the American people who want change in this town. So 413 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: that's what I've been pushing for. There's still some things 414 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: that might change that I could get there, but right 415 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: now I'm holding the line because I think we need 416 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: this place to operate differently. And that's not a partisan statement, 417 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: it's just something that I believe. So you want an 418 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: open amendment process, which has happened in the past, but 419 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: obviously leaders of Congress, especially in the majority partner, don't 420 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: like it because they don't like to. It's losing control 421 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: of what's going to happen and what's going to be 422 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: in the legislation. You want an open amendment process. What 423 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: else would you want to see happen in order for 424 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: you to get to yes? For Kevin McCarthy or whoever, Well, 425 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: let's just say Kevincarthy. Yeah, sure, we'll putting aside personalities, 426 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: just take that out of it and just saying what 427 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: would give me to yes is I need to make 428 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: sure that the Rules Committee is structured in such a 429 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: way that those of us who are what I would 430 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: call physical conservatives, who want to stop the sort of 431 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: train of the swamp right, the powerbrokers, the defense industrial complex, 432 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: if you will, plus the non defense discretionary. You know, 433 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: folks on the other side of the Alto want to 434 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: spend more money. They all come together. As you know 435 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: you follow this town closely. We just saw it happen 436 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: with the one point seven trillion dollars Omnibus bill without 437 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: debating the merits of any particular substance in the bill. 438 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: We can't keep doing that. It was a ten percent 439 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: increase in defense, a six percent increase in non defense 440 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: discretionary forty five billion for Ukraine, forty one billion for 441 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: emergency spending. None of that extra spending was paid for. 442 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: So when are we going to stop that? So we 443 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: can't stop that if we don't have the tools in 444 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: the Rules Committee to stop it. I'd love to have 445 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: open debate. I'd love to have more amendments with the 446 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: seventy two hour rule you were just talking about. That's 447 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: all good stuff, But I got to take issue with 448 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: one thing that Jamie talked about just a minute ago, 449 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: which she was still on because I don't want to 450 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: talk about her in the third person, but she said 451 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: that we were asking for things for personal handouts, spots 452 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: on committees, which she wasn't talking about you. She wasn't. 453 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: We were very clear to distinguish you from others. We 454 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: talked about how your opposition was based in principle having 455 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: to do with rules. We were talking more about the 456 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: meeting between McCarthy and Gates, Bobert and at the Perry. 457 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: But if I might offer a defense of them, what 458 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: was offered, or at least meant to be offered, was 459 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: they were a response to the request from Kevin. Hey, 460 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: we need actual names to know what you want on 461 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: certain committees. So for example, we put my name on 462 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: the Rules committee. Jake, I don't want to be on 463 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: the Rules committee if I don't have to, because you 464 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: got to fly up on Sunday and I want to 465 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: be with my family on Sunday night in Texas. But 466 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: I offered to do it in order to try to 467 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: advance the ball. Andy Biggs didn't want to be on Appropriations, 468 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: but we put his name on the list. My point 469 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: is that was offered in good faith. It's unfair for 470 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: Jamie to say that and then to say, oh, they 471 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: want their goodies. These other guys have worked so hard. 472 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: You listen to what he's sang here, and he said 473 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: this consistently. He's made it clear what he wants. This 474 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: is not crazy. Chip Roy was on Fox News channels 475 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: saying this about what's about to happen with a vote. Listen, 476 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,959 Speaker 1: we're having conversations about the substance the American people want 477 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: us to have. Our Democratic colleagues didn't do that at 478 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: all over the last two years. Right, they jam jam 479 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: bills through. They didn't a glow us to mend on 480 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: the floor. But let's be clear, Republicans have their problems too, 481 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: and we talk about, oh, you guys just want to 482 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: get in charge so you can start getting things done. 483 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: You gotta get them done the right way. The American 484 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: people didn't send us up here to continue the status quo. 485 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: So Kevin's gonna have to give us the ability to 486 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: constrain the swamp, the same swamp that passed the one 487 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: point seven trillion dollar bill that had seventy five march 488 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: or sixteen billion dollars, that didn't allow us to secure 489 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: the border, that had forty five billion for Ukraine without 490 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: a single vote on the floor. I understand all of that, 491 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: I really do. And we have first charged the swamp. 492 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: Who talked about the swamp first, former President Trump, as 493 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: he was campaigning to be president, he talked about the 494 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: swamp and changing the swamp all the time. And then 495 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: this statement endorsing McCarthy, He says, I think it's a 496 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,959 Speaker 1: dangerous game, and frankly, if they're not happy with them, 497 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: they can do something about it at a later date. 498 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: I support McCarthy and I support getting the deal done. 499 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: What I don't support is allowing this to continue to 500 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: go forward. Do you think that at some point this 501 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: is hurting the Republican Party understanding your stady on principle, 502 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,959 Speaker 1: do you think that the split screen of President Biden 503 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: with Mitch McConnell talking about infrastructure and the chaos on 504 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: the House floor is eventually hurting your party that maybe 505 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: there should be a deal to get something forward. There 506 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: should only be a deal if it's a deal worth 507 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: doing for the American people who sent us here to 508 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: stop the swamp from rolling over what they want us 509 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: to do. Brett and President Trump can say whatever he wants. 510 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: It won't be the first time I disagree with a minute, 511 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: it won't be the last. The fact here is, I'm 512 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: not going through a list of who he's endorsing or 513 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: not endorsing. I understand I'm doing is standing up for 514 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: the people that sent me here to stop doing the 515 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: same old thing, stop spending money we don't have. You're 516 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: saying Kevin McCarthy is the swamp and that if he 517 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: was speaker that it would be more of the same. 518 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that you're saying. What I'm saying 519 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: is that the people who have been here carrying out 520 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: the status quo, they need to give us the kinds 521 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: of rules and changes necessary to make sure that we 522 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: can check that, stop it and stand up for the 523 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: American people. How far will you go? What ballot will 524 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: you say? Okay, enough enough, whatever ballot it takes to 525 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: actually protect the American people. We're having a conversation tonight. 526 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: We're going to keep talking about it. We want rules 527 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: committee changes, we want to protect the rules that we've 528 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: already been able to advance. We want to make sure 529 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: we have spending restraint like the cut cap and balance 530 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: from a decade ago. We're having those conversations as we speak, 531 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: but we're not going to relent unless we can actually 532 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: do our job and stop this town, this broken town, 533 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: from rolling over the American people. That's my job. And 534 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: if Kevin McCarthy says, you know what, I'll give you 535 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,959 Speaker 1: everything you want, what will you say, Well, you mean 536 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: give me everything I want? Right? I mean, I've got 537 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: to be able to go to the What you want 538 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: is not Kevin McCarthy. But I didn't say that. If 539 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: I if I get everything that I want, that's great. 540 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: But we got to get to two hundred and eighteen. 541 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: So right now in the room, Brett aren't. It's not 542 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: just Chip Roy, it's people like Brian Fitzpatrick. You know 543 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: Byron Donald's other people where we're sitting down and talking. 544 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: So it's not about getting everything I want. It's about 545 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: getting what is necessary for the American people. And that's 546 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: the conversations question. There's Chip Roy moments ago on Fox 547 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: make it clear they're not close. Kevin McCarthy is in 548 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: the crosshairs of Matt Gates. This is what Matt Gates 549 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: had to say about him today. Those of us who 550 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: will not be voting for Kevin McCarthy today take no 551 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: joy in this discomfort that this moment has brought. But 552 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: if you want to drain the swamp, you cannot put 553 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: the biggest alligator in charge of the exercise. I'm a 554 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: Florida man, and I know of what I speak. We 555 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: offered Kevin McCarthy terms last evening that he rejected. We 556 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: sought a vote in the first quarter of the one 557 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: hundred and eighteenth Congress on term limits. He refused. We 558 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: wanted a budget from the Republican Study Committee that balances 559 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: on the floor in the first quarter, he refused. We 560 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: wanted the border plan that the Texas Delegation put together 561 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: on the floor, he refused. And it is true that 562 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: we struggle with trust with mister McCarthy, because time and 563 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: again his points, his positions, they shift like sands underneath you. 564 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: Even Kevin McCarthy's own mentor recently said that the lies 565 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: always change. And mister McCarthy is not only responsive to 566 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: pressure from the right. Time and again he has failed 567 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: to achieve the goals that we seek on spending and 568 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: on the fight. For months, we have been asking mister 569 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: McCarthy for his battle plan. How do we ensure that 570 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: we stand up for folks in the military who feel 571 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: like they're being perched. How do we ensure that if 572 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: there is the passage of a farm bill, it includes 573 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: things like work requirements? And all we got was a 574 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: handful of howdy and a mouthful of much obliged. So 575 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear you're not gonna get Matt 576 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: Gates anytime soon on your side on this one. Lastly, 577 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: we're also being told right now Representative Donald's on McCarthy says, 578 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna let you hear what he had to 579 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: say for himself a moment ago on Fox. We're gonna 580 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: go back and we're gonna have this round of ballots, 581 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,959 Speaker 1: and we're gonna have more conversations. One thing I can 582 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: tell you is nobody is at two hundred and eighteen 583 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: votes right now. Nobody. Well, we're gonna get this figured out, 584 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 1: and we're gonna get this business done because every Republican 585 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: up here on Capitol Hill is committed to getting to 586 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: the agenda that we all campaigned for last November. Okay, 587 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: so we're gonna let you go there, get back to 588 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: the House floor. Do you see a path forward for 589 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy real quick? I think it's possible, but there's 590 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: a lot of work that needs to be done right now, 591 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: and for yourself less likely. But you know what is DC, 592 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: You never know what happens here. Okay, we appreciate you 593 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: joining us. Thanks for your time, sir. This is a 594 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 1: man who has been nominated to be Speaker of the House, 595 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: and he's like, I didn't come here thinking that's what 596 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: was going to happen, had no idea. Also, to make 597 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: things even more complicated, moments ago, on Guy Benson's radio show, 598 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: Representative Dan Crenshaw has now called, and this is a 599 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: guy who went to war, these twenty Republicans terror that's 600 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: gonna help him come to your side of things, Dan 601 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 1: Crenshaw say it again, is an idiot, get another scalp, 602 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: another scalp, whether it's whether it's Bayner or Paul Ryan 603 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: or then McCarthy. Scalise would just be next. And we 604 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: all know it. We just can't allow that to happen. 605 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: That's why those of us are saying, like, look, you 606 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: pushed us into this corner, so now we're now we're 607 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: saying we won't go for anyone but McCarthy. That's why 608 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: we're saying it because we cannot let the terrorists win that. 609 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: That's basically what's happening. We cannot. Let's just listen to 610 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: this again. That's a Republican calling these other Republicans who 611 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: needs to get over to his side. Darist the terrorists 612 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: win that. That's basically what's happening. Wow, what a moron, 613 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: What an idiot. That's why we're saying it because we 614 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: cannot let the terrorists win that. That's basically what's happening. 615 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: We cannot let the terrorists win. Dan Crenshaw calling his 616 00:35:54,719 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: fellow Republicans terrorists. All right, last, please make sure you 617 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: hit that subscribe button or auto download button wherever you 618 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: are listening to this podcast, right now and take a 619 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 1: moment to write us a five star review. Many on 620 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 1: the left have been attacking our podcast, writing us bad 621 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: reviews on purpose. 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