1 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: Everybody. Chris Harry with you on a new episode of 2 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: Chargers Weekly. A bit later, NFL columnists and new author 3 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: Bob Gliver joins me. We discuss his new book, Guts 4 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: and Genius. It details the coaching careers of Bill Walsh, 5 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: Bill Parcels, and Joe Gibbs, and there are some unique 6 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: Chargers ties that may surprise you. But first, Rob Rang 7 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: of NFL Draft scout dot Com joins me for some 8 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: early draft talk plus potential options for the Chargers at 9 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: number twenty eight overall, all right, My first guest is 10 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: Rob Rang of NFL draft scout dot com and Rob 11 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: is a friend of the program. We actually did this 12 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: a year ago, right before the Combine. Time flies, Rob, 13 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: How are you man? I'm doing well. I'm sure. A 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: year ago I picked out Derwood James, you know what. 15 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: I gotta check the tape, but I don't doubt it 16 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: for a second, because Darrow was a big name going 17 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: into the Combine. But hey, draft season is in full swing. 18 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: We're just coming off Senior Bowl Week. What were your 19 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: main takeaways from the week in Mobile? You know, the 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: big takeaway was that the defensive line I thought played 21 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: up to expectation. I certainly expected them to come in 22 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: and be the dominant group, and so I was very 23 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: pleased with their talent. But I was also very impressed 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: with the offensive line talent they showed through, especially along 25 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: the offensive tackle position. That was a pleasant surprise. And 26 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: then I thought the other position of groups that really 27 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: stood out would be wide receiver, tight end, and then 28 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: in the defensive backfield. But unfortunately I had some expected 29 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: or I had some concerns about the quarterback class, and 30 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: that proved itself out as well as traditional inside linebacker 31 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: running back groups. If you're looking for those two, those 32 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: a couple of positions, then you may want to look 33 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: at the underclassman listen into these quarterbacks because I think 34 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: I read that Drew Locke is your top senior quarterback. 35 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: When you factor in these underclassmen, Dwayne Haskins, especially Kyler Murray, 36 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: is Locke still your your top quarterback? How do you 37 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: see these guys? Well, I have Dwayne Haskins from Ohio 38 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: State as the as the top rade quarterback in this 39 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: draft class. He's my you know, obviously he's an underclassman 40 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: um but he is my my top raded player. And 41 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: then I would say Daniel Jones from UM from Duke 42 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: is very much in that mix as well. Kyler Murray 43 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: from Oklahoma is dynamic, but you better be willing to 44 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: to cater your offense to what he does best obviously 45 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: as a as a jewel threat pastor, and there's only 46 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: so many NFL teams you're gonna be willing to do that. 47 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: Drew Locke, as you said, has been my top rade 48 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: senior quarterback prospects throughout this entire year, throughout the entire process. 49 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: He I still have some concerns about him in terms 50 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: of just his ability to to read defenses quickly articulate 51 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: the play a line of scrimmage. That is something that 52 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: he has struggled with during his time at Missouri as 53 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: well as during the senior bullet itself. In terms of 54 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: just a pure thrower, beautiful stroke, great velocity, gray accuracy, 55 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: He's everything I'm looking for in that regard. Daniel Jones 56 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: I think has a chance to be the first quarterback 57 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: off the board. My biggest concern about him is just 58 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: pure velocity. I see him as more of a West 59 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: Coast offense type of quarterback, a little bit more in 60 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: the Nick Foles Nat Shop type, a guy who can 61 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: be a starter for you, but again you have to 62 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: have some reservations about what type of what type of 63 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: offense that he can be most successful. And then Dwayne Haskins, 64 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: he is my top rated quarterback. But I should say 65 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: this that in comparison to last year where we saw 66 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: five quarterbacks go off the board in the first round, 67 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: I would have Dwayne Haskins ranked fourth on that group 68 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: and Sam Donald behind Baker Mayfield and Josh Rosen. Very interesting. 69 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: And you know, my next question was about the other 70 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: quarterbacks Inmobile, Will Greer, Jared Stidham. Where do you see 71 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: those guys fitting into this equation and are they quarterbacks 72 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: that you could eventually see as starters? Are there developmental 73 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: guys here? I'm curious to see what this quarterback position 74 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: looks like, not only in the first round, but also 75 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: in the second, third, fourth rounds. Yeah, I think the 76 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: most the quarterbacks that we did see immobile this year 77 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: are going to be drafted in on Day two. In 78 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: day three, you know, with as I mentioned before, with 79 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: Drew Locke and Daniel Jones, I expect him to be 80 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: the first two passers from this year's Senior Bowl to 81 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: be selected. And I think that they are eventual starters 82 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: in the NFL, although I do not necessarily believe that 83 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: they can come into the NFL and be immediate starters. 84 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: With Jared's did him he would be the quarterback that 85 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: was in Senior Bowl that I believe should be selected next. 86 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: And I do believe that he has future starter potential. 87 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: He has the velocity, he has the touch, he has 88 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: the ability to read defenses. He showed his ability to 89 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: transition from Gus Mason's offense, which is a little bit 90 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: more of a college you know, someone would say gimmicky 91 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: type of a scheme in comparison to more of a 92 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: pro style attack, And I really thought that did him 93 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: perform very well throughout the week of practice, then during 94 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: the game itself showed some things that you're looking for. 95 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: At the same time, again, I don't believe that he 96 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: necessarily is going to be able to walk into the 97 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: NFL and be a starter immediately. With Will Greer, the 98 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: same reservations that I had about him on tape, I 99 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: thought I showed itself for the Senior Bowl and that 100 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: and it seems to me that he's a little bit 101 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: reliant on his wide receivers making place for them, I 102 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: see decent accuracy, passable accuracy, but not the elite accuracy, 103 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: not the ability to put the ball wherever he wants 104 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: and really lead his wide receiver to the promised land. 105 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: And so again I view whether it be Will Greer 106 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: or whether it be Garrett minshoot Gardner, Minshew, excuse me 107 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: from Washington States, even Tyree Jackson, who has all the 108 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: talent in the world, but it's to raw prospect. And 109 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: to me, it's one of the misnomers about the whole 110 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: NFL draft process, is this idea that you can take 111 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: a young quarterback and develop him For a player like 112 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: Tyrie Jackson, who has the talent that he has, he 113 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: needs to be playing. He needs action on the field, 114 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: you know, in the NFL. He's just not going to 115 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: get that. So I think that he could be drafted late, 116 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: and I certainly loved the upside, but I think we're 117 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: talking about a true project in Tyree Jackson. A name 118 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, Heisman Trophy winner Kyler Murray. I think 119 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: he's a fascinating conversation rob. He doesn't have that prototypical 120 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: size and the height that you're looking for as an 121 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,239 Speaker 1: NFL quarterback. But in today's league, how much does that matter? 122 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: And can you envision a team falling in love with 123 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: him maybe top half of the first round. Oh, I 124 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,239 Speaker 1: can absolutely. I mean, if you wanted to win one game, 125 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: I think that that Kyd of Murray might be your guy. 126 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: I mean, just because you know he is a dynamic athlete. 127 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: He has shown not only the you know, the the 128 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: athletic ability to buy time in the pocket, to to 129 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: beat defenses with his feet in terms of being a scrambler, 130 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: but he has a legitimate arm. There's no question about 131 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: pure arm strength. And he shows the ability to kind 132 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: of put the ball just about wherever he wants it 133 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: in terms of throwing the ball with velocity, in terms 134 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: of throwing the ball with touch. He shows the ability 135 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: to be able to read defenses and change his plan 136 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: during the play rather than just rely on his pre 137 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: snap reads. So a lot of things to be excited about. 138 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: But as you mentioned, the science restrictions are certainly something 139 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: that the teams are going to have to to be 140 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: concerned about. He's listed in a five to eleven and 141 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety five pounds. It's gonna be interesting 142 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: to see if he actually weighs in that big, you know, 143 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: and so that that's the concern I have about him 144 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: is that, obviously it's a much longer NFL season, is 145 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: he going to be durable enough to hold up throughout 146 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: the course of the season. I think that he is 147 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: going to go in the first round. At the same time, 148 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: I would be very nervous if I was the head 149 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: coach of that team, because clearly you have a quarterback 150 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: who is you know, you have some concerns about durability. 151 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: And then again you have to cater your offense to 152 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: what Kyler Murray does best and not everybody else on 153 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: the on the field may necessarily feel that's the right move, 154 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: but you look at this draft as a whole. U 155 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: this is a defensive lineman draft. It's it's D lineman heavy, 156 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: and frankly, there's some O lineman that you can envision 157 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: his starters in twenty nineteen very quickly as well. Who 158 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: tops the list for you in those categories D line 159 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: and O line, Well, I think for me, then you 160 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: just look at that there's just so many dominant defensive 161 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: linemen this year. And so my personal top rade prospect 162 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: with the Nick Bosa and Quinny and Williams. Obviously Bosa 163 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: and the Chargers fans are gonna be very familiar with 164 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: the Bosa fam. Oh yeah, we know about the Bosa exactly. 165 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: And so Nick to me is a carbon copy of 166 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: his of his older brother Joey, And by that I 167 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: mean that he has been He's a Pro Bowl caliber 168 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: edge rusher that can just do so many different things. 169 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: For e Quinn Williams, the big defensive tackle from Alabama, 170 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: for my money, was the best player in college football 171 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: this last year bar none. Just absolutely dominant. The point 172 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: of tech reminded me a little bit of in Dominican 173 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: Sue and that's the way he just was able to 174 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: dominate players at the collegiate level. I have some reserlations 175 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: about him because talking about essentially a one year superstar 176 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: and that, and is obviously surrounded by a great deal 177 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: of talent at Alabama, but at terms of just watching him, 178 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: his ability to just dominate elite competition in the SEC 179 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: just kind of speaks for itself. Whether it be Cleveland 180 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: Farrell from Clemson, you know at Oliver from Houston, and 181 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: we can go on and on, Rashaan Gary from Michigan. 182 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: I think we could see at least half of the 183 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: players selected in the top ten wind up being defensive lineman, 184 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: and that's just something that we very rarely see on 185 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. Jonah Williams, the office 186 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: tackle from Alabama, has been my top right tackle this 187 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: entire process, and so I've seen Nathan on tape, you know, 188 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: to suggest that that should change. Where I was really 189 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: intrigue was going to the Senior Bowl and seeing a 190 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: couple of other offensive tackles that i've even more second 191 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: to third round players really performed brilliantly. So I would 192 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: mention Caleb McGarry from Washington, Andre Dillard from Washington State, 193 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: and then from Kansas State, Dalton Riisener I thought had 194 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: probably the best week of practice of any player at 195 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. And so those are three guys who 196 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: I think had a chance to seek into that late 197 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: portion of the first round. And while they may not 198 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: be flashy guys, as you said, I think that they 199 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: had a chance to come in and contribute immediately and 200 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: if they offer a tackle position, that's rare, and that's 201 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: why I think those guys are going to wind up 202 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: going earlier than perhaps are suggesting, you know, going into 203 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Rob I heard a lot about Dillard 204 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: from Washington State and Reisner as well. And the thing 205 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: about Reisner is his positional versatility. Right, he could play 206 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: across the line. He really can. That's one of the 207 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: things that that's so fun about Riisener is the fact 208 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: that he played at right tackle, he played at center, 209 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: He's moved inside and played guard a little bit. I mean, 210 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: he is just very versatile. And then when you when 211 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: you speak to him, you can just kind of hear 212 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: his intelligence, you can hear his passion and then so 213 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's the same thing that you see 214 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: on tape. It's just that consistency, and so it just 215 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: makes it a much easier, much easier projection to the 216 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: NFL because he not only has the athletic ability, but 217 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: he has the work ethic, all the intangibles that you're 218 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: looking for. And then Andre Dillard, I mean just his 219 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: you know, living in the Greater Pacific Northwest area myself, 220 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: I've had an opportunity to watch Dillard and and other 221 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: Washington State Cougar's offensive Lineman wound up going into the 222 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: NFL and being more successful than a lot of people assume. 223 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: For a team that plays that that's so called air 224 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: raid offense. Dillard has very good knee bend and very 225 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: light feet, and that combination allows him to move very 226 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: fluidly left to right in the shuffle. In pass protection, 227 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: He's not quite as physical at the point of attack 228 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: in terms of a run blocker as say Caleb McGarry 229 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: again from Washington, or Dalton Reisner. But at the same time, 230 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: if you're looking for a pass protector that I think 231 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: Andrew Dillard has a chance to be one of the 232 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: very first left tackles drafted this year, and again quite 233 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: possibly a first round pick. I want to stop. He 234 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: had a name that you mentioned on the d line, 235 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: and that's Ed Oliver. And during the season I heard 236 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: so much about Houston's Ed Oliver and how he was 237 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: going to be a top pick, maybe top three, top five. 238 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: Now you're seeing him in mocks going in the mid 239 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: first round. I saw one late in the first round. 240 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: I know you had a mock draft about a month 241 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: ago you had him at number three overall. Um, what's 242 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: the what's the deal with Ed Oliver? And why are 243 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: there so many varying opinions. It seems like, well, I think, 244 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: for one it's the questions about how he's going to 245 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,599 Speaker 1: measure up. Um, you know, there's some talk out there that, 246 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: you know, do you try and make him a defensive end, 247 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: do you try and make him an off ball linebacker? 248 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: Just because there there's concerns he's gonna be six two, 249 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty pounds. And I would argue that 250 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: there's a there's a defensive lineman that plays across town 251 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: from you guys, uh in Aaron Donald, who was not 252 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: quite as big as people wanted. Day's pretty good because 253 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: exactly because of his extraordinary quickness, he does have terrific power. 254 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: Uh you know, he is just you know, kind of 255 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: a one in a million type of a player. And 256 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: it's it's presumptuous to compare at Oliver. Obviously he's a 257 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: college player to you know, the reigning defensive MVP. But 258 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: at the same time, that's the type of disruptive ability 259 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: I see with Aaron Donald or excusing at Oliver. And 260 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: so I still believe that he is a top ten, 261 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: top fifteen caliber player. I think that he is ultimately 262 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: going to be drafted as such as long as he 263 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: is as impressive in the interview process. Is I think 264 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: that he will be. I've spoken a lot scouts about 265 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: the the kind of dust up with his head coach 266 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: at Houston, Major Applewhite, and I think it's the perception 267 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: I've got is that's kind of much ado about nothing. 268 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: This was. This was a head coach who was trying 269 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: to to keep his Houston Cougars focused on the field 270 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: and Oliver, who you know was of course, wasn't playing 271 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: in that particular game, and he ended up being a 272 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: much bigger issue than it really was. So I still 273 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: think that at Oliver is among the best players bar 274 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: nun in this entire draft class, and I think that 275 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: when he goes into the NFL, we're going to see 276 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: that play out. Rob When you look at the Chargers, 277 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: they're going to draft at number twenty eight overall in 278 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: the first round. And it's a really interesting position because 279 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: there could be scenarios in which a really good defensive 280 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: lineman or an offensive lineman is there because there's a 281 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: surplus at that position and maybe you pick from that 282 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: that bunch, or perhaps on the other side of the coin, 283 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: there's a lot of talent that gets pushed to them, 284 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: like a linebacker or a corner that's too good to 285 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: pass up. So at twenty eight overall, how do you 286 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: view the Chargers and what they could possibly do with 287 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: that position. Well, I'm gonna give you the Boorn answer 288 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: and just say the best player available. And I think 289 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: that you are looking for the best player available, because 290 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: if you try and pigeonhole yourself too much, then I 291 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: think that that's, you know, that's never going to work 292 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: out for you in the long run. I think it's 293 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: the team that that's built to win right now. And 294 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: so if you can find a player who's going to 295 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: be able to make an immediate impact the way that 296 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: Derwin James did obviously fall into their lap a year ago, 297 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: then you might be able to really take advantage of that. 298 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: And I think it's this sets up beautifully for the 299 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: Chargers because obviously you have a you know, an elite 300 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: quarterback already, you know, as your starter. Maybe you want 301 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: to find somebody you know to compete for a developmental thing, 302 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: but you're not gonna be taking that in the first round, 303 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: at least not likely in my opinion. And then the 304 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: same thing along the defensive line, because you already have 305 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: the pass rushers in place, let some of those other 306 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: teams take some of those pass rushers and allow some 307 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: of those other cornerbacks, those offensive tackles that might be 308 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: able to slide down and be able to help the 309 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: Chargers a little bit more quickly. And so I think 310 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: that this sets up very well for the Chargers. And 311 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: I do see if there's a lot of talented players, 312 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: especially along the offensive line in a corner as well 313 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: as the safety that might be able to slide down, 314 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: that are really good football players, and so that some 315 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: clubs out there may be viewing players saying like a 316 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: Deonta Thompson, the free safety Alabama. Obviously that's not a 317 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: free safety, is not a huge concern for the Chargers specifically, 318 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: but that's a player who, in my opinion, should go 319 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: in the top fifteen. I think he has a chance 320 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: to slide outside the top twenty, just because there's gonna 321 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: be so many of the clubs out there who are 322 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: going to be rolling and dice thoroughly on these defensive 323 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: lineman and quarterbacks quickly. On the linebacker position, it's a 324 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: position that's been talked about here in Los Angeles. They 325 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: were just decimated by injuries. Kaiser White, who won the 326 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: starting job as a rookie got hurt, Denzel Perriman got hurt, 327 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: jad Tavis Brown got hurt. I know it's not super 328 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: deep at linebacker in this draft, but who are a 329 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: few names that could be available at the end of 330 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: the first Well, Devin White would be the one I 331 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: definitely would start off with from LSC. I mean, he's 332 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: the rain buctas a war winner and well deserved. He 333 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: could have wonted two years ago when Rokuan Smith from 334 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: Georgia obviously would up going to Chicago Bears. Really in 335 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: the first round a year ago he won it, wounded 336 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: up winning it. Devin White to me is just kind 337 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: of He's one of those guys who is just you know, 338 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: his compact build and his instincts and it's just physicality 339 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: is really what stands out when watching him on tape. 340 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: He just has you know, we talked about this with 341 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: a running and backs a lot. I think it's also 342 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: important linebacker that that balanced through contact. He runs through 343 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: would be blockers and is able to shed them in 344 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: the hole and still be able to make the tackle. 345 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: He has enough speed to get sideline to sideline and 346 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: so I to me, he is the one inside linebacker 347 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: in this draft class, who deserves to be selected in 348 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: the first round. I think he'd be a terrific fit 349 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: for the Chargers, not only because of what he brings 350 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: the table as a football player, but I know that 351 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: from having covered the Chargers for so many years, how 352 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: much value they place in the intangibles and is he 353 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: a good person on and off the field. Devin White 354 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: has high ranks in that regard. That's why I think 355 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: that he would be a spectacular fit for the Chargers. Awesome, 356 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: awesome insight, rob Let's end on this. The Chargers got 357 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: big time contributions from their twenty eighteen class. I mentioned 358 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: Kaisier White, he got hurt, but he did win that 359 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: starting job at linebacker earlier in the year. Justin Jones 360 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: played a lot this year on the d line. You 361 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: Chenna Nuos who played a lot at linebacker and coming 362 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: off the edge. And then of course Darwin James first 363 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: team All Pro they drafted him number seventeen overall. Just 364 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: your thoughts on how these guys performed this year versus 365 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: how you viewed them going into the draft last year. Well, 366 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: I was stunned, like a lot of people, when Derwin 367 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: James is still on the board number seventeen overall, and 368 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: so I think that it makes your draft a lot 369 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: easier when you draft an all pro in the first round. 370 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: But as you said, I mean, the Chargers got terrific 371 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: production throughout their entire draft class. I mean even their 372 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: seventh round pick. Now, a lot of people out there, 373 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, are going to get a starting caliber player. Obviously, 374 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: you have a superstar in Melvin Gordon, but when Melvin 375 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: Gordon went down, you have Justin Jackson come in and 376 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: still be a productive runner for you. To me, that's 377 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: just a testament to the quality of scouting that the 378 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: Chargers are doing and how that's marrying in with their 379 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: coaching staff. And that, to me is really where the 380 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,239 Speaker 1: good teams separate themselves when they can kind of have 381 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: the scouts and the coaches truly come together and be 382 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: able to pick out the players that that fit with 383 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: their system. That's not something that a lot of clubs 384 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: are able to do, as the Chargers prove it they 385 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: could do that a year ago, and that's one of 386 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,959 Speaker 1: the reasons why I believe that they are set up 387 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: again to win the twenty nineteen draft as well. Rob 388 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: this was excellent. I can't think enough for your time? 389 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: Where can people find you work? I know that there's 390 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: probably a new mock draft coming up. I saw the 391 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: one you did. I think it was New Year's Eve. 392 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: There's got to be a three point out coming soon. 393 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: I imagine, Oh yeah, there certainly will be. They can 394 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: always find our information at NFL draft scout dot com 395 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: and you know, and to be completely awesome, not to 396 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: call myself out too much, but you may see a 397 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: lack of updates for another week or so because we 398 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: are just so hard. We're working so hard to finish 399 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: up the Lindy's NFL Draft magazine, and so we are 400 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: going to have hundreds of player profiles, those strengths and 401 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: weaknesses and player comparisons that everybody loves to be reading 402 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: through as the draft unfold. We are working on that 403 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: as we speak, basically finishing that up that should be 404 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: on newstands right around combine time. And so that's where 405 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: our focus has been on right now, because there's a 406 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: lot of time to do the mock drafts and all 407 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. We certainly want to look forward 408 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: to the combine, the process and all that. But in 409 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: terms of professor, in terms of rankings in terms of 410 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: mock drafts, in terms of free profiles that people can 411 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: download or read in magazine form, NFL Draft Scott dot 412 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: Com and Lindy's NFL Draft Magazine is the place to be. 413 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: I'll be scooping that magazine up right before Indianapolis. Rob. 414 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: Awesome stuff. I'll see you to combine, my man, I 415 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: see soon. Sounds great. Thanks for having me as always. 416 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: All right. Joining me now is longtime Newsday NFL columnist 417 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: Bob Glauber. He's a president of the Pro Football Writers 418 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: of America and the author of a fascinating new book. 419 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: It's called Guts and Genius, the story of three unlikely 420 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: coaches who came to dominate the NFL in the eighties. Bob, 421 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: congrats on the early success with the book. I really 422 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us so well. Thanks very much Chris 423 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: for having me. Absolutely adored writing it. I covered a 424 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: lot of those games that I wrote about in the book, 425 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: and it was a really really special time in the NFL. Well, 426 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: you know what, I know you're in Atlanta too. I 427 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: want to get into the Super Bowl matchup later, but 428 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: let's start with the book. As I said, it's a 429 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: fantastic read or listen for me. I purchased it on audible, 430 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: so I've been listening to it the last couple of weeks. 431 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,719 Speaker 1: And what it is. It details the coaching careers of 432 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: Bill Walsh, Bill Parcels, and Joe Gibbs. I know you 433 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: interviewed one hundred and fifty people for it, Bob, what 434 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: was your motivation for writing the book? Well, you know, 435 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: I always liked that period of football, and you know, 436 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: I kind of am interested in football history just having 437 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: covered it for a long time, and that Ara in 438 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: particular intrigued me because the game so many great players, 439 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: and so many great coaches, and most three kind of 440 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: rows above everybody. I mean, I really do think that 441 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: the eighties and early nineties were a golden era of 442 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: football in a lot of ways. You know, it's pre 443 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: free agency. You knew who your teams are going to be, 444 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: you knew your coaches, where, you knew the players were, 445 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: and generally knew your quarterback was. And I think the 446 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 1: quality of play in that decade was just fantastic, and 447 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: the league had really progressed. You know, fifties were very, 448 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: very good, unique decade and kind of broke the NFL 449 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: into the forefront sixties, got out with Lombardi. Seventies, you know, 450 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: you had the great Cowboys, Steelers Raiders matchups, and then 451 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: in the eighties kind of the game itself became perfected 452 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways by the coaching, and those 453 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: three coaches in particular really had it going and kind 454 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: of changed the trajectory of the NFL to kind of 455 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: where it is today. Eight super Bowls between the three 456 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: of those coaches. Wow, what did you learn during this 457 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: project that may have surprised you about a Walsh or 458 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: of Parcels or Gibbs that maybe you didn't know going 459 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: into it. Well, you know, I've covered a lot of 460 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: Parcels and Gibbs, so I kind of knew there was 461 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: a lot of just you know, kind of institutional knowledge 462 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: if you will, about them, just having having been around them. 463 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: But I did learn a lot from them kind of 464 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: about their insecurities, especially early on in their careers. It 465 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: really drove them and they were very open about that. Now, 466 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: Wall shall be still a bit trickier to kind of 467 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: get into because he's not with us, But in a 468 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: lot of ways I learned more about him through the 469 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,959 Speaker 1: people that he best who were willing to share our 470 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: cares will Bill Wall he was a highly complicated individual, 471 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: a guy who had mood swings that were really difficult 472 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: for him and kind of drove him out of the game. 473 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: And it was that intense difficult and he just he 474 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: really had a real struggle coming up and getting the 475 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: opportunity to coach took a lot of things personally, and 476 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: it really impacted his life in good and bad ways. 477 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: You know. The bad way was it really drove him 478 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: out of the game because he kind of burned out 479 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: from the success that he did have him that he 480 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: tried to continue to achieve. And you know, the bad 481 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: part was, you know that that struggle. The good part 482 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: was he created this ching tree and this legacy that 483 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: continues today. I was just fascinated to see how many 484 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: coaches are related somehow to Bill Walsh. And it happened 485 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: because he was passed over by Paul Brown in nineteen 486 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: seventy six to be the Bengals head coach. And if 487 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: you're a Bengals fan and you hear that Bill Walsh 488 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: would have been perfectly content to spend the rest of 489 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: his career in Cincinnati, it'd say, oh, he's to kill 490 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: me now because he would have he would have been 491 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: totally willing to be the Bengals coach for a long 492 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: long time. Didn't work out, but but he promised himself 493 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: he was going to help whatever coach that he worked with, 494 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 1: and you know, worked for him, unlike Paul Brown did 495 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: for him. And it turned out to be the greatest 496 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: thing for the NFL coaching community. And Bob, he was 497 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: so beat up about that. And you know, one of 498 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: the things in this book, I think Chargers fans will appreciate, 499 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: there's some major connections to the Chargers. In this book, 500 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: we talk about Bill Walsh being the Chargers offensive coordinator 501 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy six, along with Dan Fouts being the quarterback. 502 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: I don't think people realize that the West Coast offense 503 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: kind of took a stop with the Chargers before it 504 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: made its way to the forty nine Ers. That's right, 505 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: that's right. And you know, Dan Fouts where we spoke 506 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: about Bill Walsh, he shook his head as if it 507 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: was yesterday because he loved having Bill Walsh as his 508 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. Absolutely loves them. He says, you know, I 509 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: was in danger of being traded or even released until 510 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: Walsh came into my life and I'm listening to him, 511 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: I'm like, WHOA, I mean, I just don't know this 512 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And he kind of details what Bill 513 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: Walsh did for him, worked on his footwork, really took 514 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: apart the mechanics of his game and put them back 515 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: together again and really put Dan Fouts on the trajectory 516 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: that he became a Hall of Famer on and I 517 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: did not know that. And he was absolutely devastated when 518 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: Bill Walsh told him for the final game of that 519 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: season that they we're going to play the Raiders leave 520 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: to become you know, the head coach at Stanford, and 521 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: Fat said, I had one of the worst games I 522 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: ever had against the Raiders to close out that season 523 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: because I was so upset that I was going to 524 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,719 Speaker 1: be without Bill Walsh. It turned out okay because as 525 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: next offensive coordinator was Joe Gibbs. Could you imagine that 526 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: having two straight offensive coordinators named Bill Walsh and Joe 527 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: Gibbs in your life. And they had a lot to 528 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: do with Dan Fouts turn in his career around and 529 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: becoming a Hall of Famer. Yeah, that was my next 530 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: point is the fact that Dan Fouts had offensive coordinators 531 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: named Walsh and Gibbs, and he probably had his best 532 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: two seasons in his career when Gibbs was the OC. 533 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: And of course Joe Gibbs had those Eric Corrio influences 534 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: that he took to Washington, but it didn't start that way. 535 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: He had to adjust on the fly. And one of 536 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: the things about Joe Gibbs I was talking to you 537 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: about offline, Bob, is you know, this is a guy 538 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: who won three Super Bowls, three different starting quarterbacks, and 539 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: yet I don't see a lot written about him. You know, 540 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't have the coaching tree that a Parcels 541 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: or a Walsh has, But why do you think that 542 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: not much has been written about Joe Gibbs after all 543 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: he did in the eighties. Yeah, I really don't know 544 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: why he's not more of a, you know, of a 545 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: talked about figure. And I've come across a lot of 546 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: people in the industry who believe that Joe Gibbs is 547 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: a completely underrated coach totally. He just does not get 548 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: the credit that a three times super Bowl championship coach deserves. 549 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 1: And not only three times super Bowl champion, but did 550 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: it in two strike seasons and did it with three quarterbacks, 551 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: none of whom was close to the Hall of Fame. Now, 552 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: all great coaches, all Hall of Fame coaches, you just 553 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: look at them. They all had great quarterbacks. You know, 554 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: Montana was with Bill Walsh, you know had Roger Stallback, 555 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: Terry and Chuck Nole. That was a team there. And 556 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs had none of that, Yet he won three 557 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: Super Bowls with this magnificent coaching. And I think you 558 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: can argue that just from a pure coaching standpoint. I'm 559 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: not talking about coaching Tree, I'm talking about legacy, not 560 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: talking about you know what he left line, but just 561 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: pure coach who could make game in team injustments. Joe 562 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: Gibbs has really got to be up there. And I'm 563 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: talking about in the class of Belichick, in the class 564 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: of Walsh, anyone, anyone who want to put up there. 565 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs, you know, should be mentioned in it because 566 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: he was brilliant or one of the greatest strategists of 567 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: all time. Yeah. I remember that ninety one season growing 568 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: up as a kid going to RFK and the year 569 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: they went fourteen and two, avenge their two losses to 570 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: the Eagles and Cowboys, and just ran through the playoffs 571 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: and again it was it was just a group of 572 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: players that you know, you're not going to point to 573 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: a ton of Hall of famers on that team. You 574 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: had a quarterback in Mark Rippon, you had the posse, 575 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: you had a couple of Hall of Fame offensive linemen. 576 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: But for him to sustain that success through three different 577 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: teams is pretty remarkable. It really is remarkable. And he 578 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: I think he, as well as any coach, was able 579 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: to kind of mix and match players and get kind 580 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: of get a feel for what his players what they 581 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: couldn't do, and he wouldn't put him in positions. And 582 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: that's the beauty of Joe Gibbs. He was a great 583 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: He was like a puzzlemaker and he knew which piece 584 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: is fit. And you know, you go back to that 585 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: first year, Joe Gibbs literally was afraid of being the 586 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: first coach in NFL history would be fired before ever 587 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: winning one game. He literally was afraid that jack Kin 588 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: Cook was going to fire him early in the nineteen 589 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: eighty one season when he went on five and jack 590 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: Kin Cook was not close to doing that, but but 591 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: Gibbs was very nervous about it. But what he had 592 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: to do. He gut it, and he just took apart 593 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: his offense. Now he installs the entire offense through training camp, 594 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: through the first five games. It is the chorel offense. 595 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: But it's just not working in the NFC East, which 596 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: is very defensive oriented conference division, you know a lot 597 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: of running games. So he completely jumps it after five 598 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: games and goes to a running attack and he turns 599 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: it around. And he never kind of tried to force it. 600 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: You know a lot of coaches, you know, they're they're 601 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: married to their systems. They have to make it work 602 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: their way. And Walsh was a guy who did that 603 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: to a large degree. He didn't really change and he 604 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: survived with it and he thrived with it. But but 605 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: if Gibbs realized that, yeah, I just can't keep doing 606 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: this because it's not working. And once he did go 607 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: to that ground oriented approach, the Hogs were born, and 608 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: you know, Riggins became a star and the guy started 609 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,239 Speaker 1: winning Super Bowls within a year. Bob. What I think 610 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: is perhaps most intriguing about these three coaches is that 611 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: for as much success as they had, they all had 612 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: failures at the beginning of their coaching career. As we 613 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: talked about Joe Gibbs, you said it, he started oh 614 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: and five, thought he was gonna be fired before he 615 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: was going to win a game. Bill Walsh was two 616 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: and fourteen his first year, eight and twenty four his 617 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: first two seasons. Oh, Parcels three twelve and one his 618 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: first season. And I just look at the league today 619 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: in the pressure on coaches social media, there's just more 620 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: scrutiny on coaches. And coach Lynne even said it at 621 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: the end of the season when they asked about some 622 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: of these coaches being fired, he said, I question whether 623 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: some of the Hall of Fame greats in this league 624 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: would be able to survive in twenty eighteen in the NFL. 625 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: It's a very good point, and I think you would 626 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: really be It would be very interesting to see if 627 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: Gibbs could survive. And I leave Parcels out of that 628 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: equation because it's nineteen eighty three, it's not nearly the 629 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: scrutiny that there is now. But he was going to 630 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: be fired. They had decided that it was too big 631 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: for him. He went three, twelve and one, had a 632 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: lot of injuries that year really kind of changed his 633 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: personality and they thought it was beyond him, and you know, 634 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: they tried to get Howard Schnellerberger or leave Miami, and 635 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: he couldn't get out of his con track. Eventually did, 636 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: but he couldn't come to the gym, and they gave 637 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: Parcels another chance almost full. So I mean, even then 638 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: he was he was ready to be fired. But you know, 639 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: it was a real turn around year in nineteen eighty four, 640 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: and even early in the season there were a couple 641 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: of moments where they were teetering, but they did turn 642 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: it around. They went to the playoffs, they faced Bill 643 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: Walsh's forty nine ers, and Walsh, you know, beat them 644 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: that year, but realized, you know, this is definitely a team. 645 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: You know, within two years they won their first Super Bowl. 646 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: So you're right that, you know, the controversy and the scrutiny. 647 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: You wonder, and Anthony Lynn brings up a totally good 648 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: point that you wonder if if would be a whole 649 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: of him, coaches would ever get that chance in today's NFL, 650 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,959 Speaker 1: because it's just so there's such quick look for coaches 651 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: who don't perform well in a given season. Speaking of 652 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: coach Lynn, he probably has the most unique coaching tree 653 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: because Bill Walsh identified him as a head coach. He 654 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: worked under Bill Parcels during his time in Dallas. Mike 655 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: Shanahan gave him his first opportunity as a coach in 656 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: this league. And I know you probably got to know 657 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: coach Lynn quite a bit in your time in New York. 658 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: Just your your thoughts on his early success in the 659 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: league and how that coaching tree has shaped him. Yeah, 660 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: that coaching tree really has shaped him quite quite well 661 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: and quite uniquely, like you said, because I don't really 662 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: know of any other coach that had that kind of 663 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: crossover between the Walsh tree and the Parcels tree. Lynn 664 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: is a is a perfect example of that. You know, 665 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: he paid his dues, he earned it. I remember talking 666 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: to Anthony Lynn just about the time that he played 667 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: for the forty nine out At this point, Bill Walsh 668 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: was the general manager and he was in a front 669 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: office guy, but but Lynn played and Walsh went up 670 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: to him in the locker room one day and said, 671 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: it's just something about you, I think you can coach. 672 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: And Lynn was looked at him like wow, he was 673 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: he was stunned. You know, he was flattered. Um that 674 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: Bill Walsh is coming up to him. But he was 675 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: really stunned, and he went on that track. He went 676 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: to Bill Walsh had m an already fellowship program that 677 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: Anthony Lynn participated in, and he would met He would 678 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: meet a couple of other coaches along the way and 679 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: former forty nine or teammates, and Lynn would say, yeah, 680 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: one day Walsh came up to me. He says, I 681 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: could coach. The guy would say the same to me. 682 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: They got a kick out of it. But Walsh had 683 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: a very intriguing and very unique way of looking at 684 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: would be coaches, identifying them early and kind of putting 685 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: them on their way. And it really all comes from that, 686 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: you know, getting passed over when he didn't get that chance. 687 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: He says, no, I am never going to let that 688 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: happen again. I'm going to do whatever I can to 689 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: promote coaching. And he's done a tremendous job and promoting 690 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: diversitytion specifically. His leg is really in the coaches that 691 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: he left behind and that he kind of kind of 692 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: nurtured along the way. It's fantastic story. When you were 693 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: in New York, Bob, when did you know that they coached? 694 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 1: Lynn had what it took to be a head coach 695 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 1: in this league. I don't think we did. I don't 696 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: think we could tell. When he was a running backs 697 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: coach with Rex Ryan now Rex, it was a very 698 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: very complimentary about Anthony Lynn over the person. He kind 699 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: of you know, he had that that in factor about him, 700 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: very very calm guy. Players loved him. And then you know, 701 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: he got a chance in Buffalo as the interim. But 702 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: I don't know that there was ever that really aha 703 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: moment with Anthony Lynn when he was with Jets anyway. 704 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: I think it happened more with the Bills. But people 705 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: who were with him all knew the guy had the 706 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 1: right stuff and the guy could handle it. Of course, 707 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl on Sunday, the Chargers played both of 708 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: these teams, Bob, and we talk about this tree. Sean McVeigh, 709 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,439 Speaker 1: his grandfather, was kind of the co architect of those 710 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: forty nine Ers teams with Bill Walsh, and then of 711 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: course we got Bill Belichick on the other side, and 712 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: we all know the success that he had with Bill 713 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: Parcels in New York. A first glance at this matchup, 714 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: what do you see? I know you're in Atlanta right now. 715 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Bob, I just saw you 716 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: at the Roger Goodell State of the League press conference 717 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: asking a question. Yeah, well, there's a lot of questions 718 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: about what happened in that NFC Championship game between the 719 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: Saints and the Rams, specifically about that non call late 720 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 1: in the game. But you know, this has been intriguing matchup. 721 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: I think the minds of both of those coaches are 722 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: really going to be a determining factor in what happens 723 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: in this game. And you know a lot of people 724 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: are saying the Patriots just can't lose, they just have 725 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: that thing going, they got the momentum. But I'm not 726 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 1: going to sell shot that, say short, because I think 727 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff inside his head that is 728 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: going to be difficult for the Patriots to handle, specifically 729 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: what he does on the offensive side of the ball. 730 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: Guts and Genius is the book the story of three 731 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: unlikely coaches who came to dominate the NFL in the eighties. 732 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: It's a must read. It's a must listen if you're 733 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 1: a football fan, if you're a Chargers fans. There's a 734 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: lot of great nuggets in there. I can't recommend it enough, Bob, 735 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 1: I know how busy you are during Super Bowl week. 736 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you spend some time with us today 737 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: for having me I always love chatting about about that 738 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: subject and it's really near dear my phone. I appreciate 739 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: you having me on and that's gonna do it my 740 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: Thanks to Bob Globber and Rob rang for joining me, 741 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: and of course thanks to you all for listening. Don't forget. 742 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: If you like what you hear, be sure to give 743 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. Please help 744 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: spread the word. Enjoy Super Bowl Sunday and until next Thursday. 745 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 1: I'm Chris Harry