Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on.
Speaker 4: These are our stories, done done.
Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger, and here we
Speaker 2: talk SVU true crime. We talk to celeb guests or not,
Speaker 2: so you'll have to wait till the end to see
Speaker 2: what we got to tuck in here. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I mean it it is truly December tenth today. We
Speaker 2: are so in the time machine, you are fully January seventh.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what we're supposed to talk.
Speaker 1: Like, we've already missed all the jokes about January sixth.
Speaker 1: It's like New Year's Resolutions have already come and gone
Speaker 1: by the time this episode is coming out, you know,
Speaker 1: like lot of our movies have been watched, everything has done,
Speaker 1: but we can't come.
Speaker 2: But we don't know. We don't know what we got
Speaker 2: for Christmas. We don't know how the winter went. Like, oh,
Speaker 2: we don't know if more CEOs were gunned down in
Speaker 2: the streets. We do we don't know. I mean was
Speaker 2: here all the way in the beginning of December. I
Speaker 2: mean tonight, in real time, I'm gonna go see the
Speaker 2: Big Gay Jamboree's it's a show. I don't know, but
Speaker 2: it's the star from Tysanni and it's like the piano player.
Speaker 2: I see a lot of club coming who plays with
Speaker 2: cat and like the I think the guy from snel
Speaker 2: is on. It's just a show.
Speaker 3: It's a show.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you, like like a
Speaker 1: variety show, cabaret type thing.
Speaker 2: Like no, I think it's a musical. It's a musical.
Speaker 2: It's it's got it. Yeah, the Big Gay Jamboree. I
Speaker 2: think it's like someone is stuck in a gay musical.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's a play fun, that's fun. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Closes on the fifteenth of December, so you can't even
Speaker 2: go how about that?
Speaker 3: How about that?
Speaker 1: It's so far in the future. We're so far in
Speaker 1: the future, but cant even know. We're uh, we're we're
Speaker 1: still we're here. It's the first episode of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Big plans for the new year, just kidding. I don't
Speaker 1: have any big plans. I don't know we'll see. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen in twenty twenty five, but.
Speaker 2: My Special Lill is hopefully still coming out January twenty eighth.
Speaker 2: Who knows what big things might happen from inauguration to
Speaker 2: the special.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but night now comes out. I mean,
Speaker 3: TikTok's even around now anymore or not?
Speaker 2: Like we're at a time now where Jane like, TikTok
Speaker 2: might be illegal in our land right now. But yeah,
Speaker 2: and we're not even talking about it because we don't know.
Speaker 2: It's just, you know, an idea in the air. It's
Speaker 2: just an idea in the air.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I will see, I will be I will
Speaker 1: be interested to see.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if he's gonna do anything
Speaker 3: that he says is gonna do.
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see. I got friends moving to Canada.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know what's gonna go on.
Speaker 3: Are they rich? Rich rich people move into Canada?
Speaker 1: Yeah, one, it's one friend. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: said plural, but it's him and his boyfriend. Uh, but yeah,
Speaker 1: he's rich, so he can do that. And well that
Speaker 1: was the thing.
Speaker 2: It was like Roberts in here and like certain people
Speaker 2: being like and I'm out of here. It's like no
Speaker 2: one actually cares about you. Like you were a millionaire
Speaker 2: with homes everywhere already, so what is you leaving? Have
Speaker 2: any You're not doing anything right, right? I mean you
Speaker 2: should you should go survive. They kill artists, like sure,
Speaker 2: if you're a millionaire. But it's just like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 3: Ellen.
Speaker 2: If you're moved to France, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 2: you would have been fine.
Speaker 3: So, oh, you know what I was going to bring up.
Speaker 1: This is probably old news at this point, but I
Speaker 1: caught this and I took a screenshot of it. You
Speaker 1: know the family that we talked about in the Turpin
Speaker 1: family in California in the esters Book Broster episode that
Speaker 1: we did, did you guys know that? According to Oprah Tyler,
Speaker 1: Perry saw like a special about that family and has
Speaker 1: taken care of them, like into their adulthood, those kids.
Speaker 1: Like he has financially taken care of that family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like a quiet good Samaritan.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, he also you know, he famously paid for
Speaker 2: security for U Megan Markle And.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, that's right. I think.
Speaker 2: I mean he's very wealthy, and I think he is
Speaker 2: doing good stuff.
Speaker 3: Wow, taking care of the this is good news.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I thought it was like a little kid
Speaker 1: he helped update.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh god, crazy of all. Just I know these children
Speaker 2: in sesque family vibes. Wow, Tyler Perry, I'm just like obsessed.
Speaker 2: I know he's killing it. I don't know if I've
Speaker 2: ever seen a Tyler Perry project, though I have seen one.
Speaker 1: I went to see a Medea Halloween or whatever the
Speaker 1: Halloween was that came out like five four or five
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: We went with a big group of people and it
Speaker 1: was the first time I had ever seen one of
Speaker 1: those movies, and I was like, it was it was
Speaker 1: like an interesting It was fun to go in a
Speaker 1: theater with a bunch of friends.
Speaker 3: But the movies are insane. I mean they're they.
Speaker 1: Literally star just the regular people that are always in them,
Speaker 1: him playing seven characters or whatever. And then he had
Speaker 1: a ton of like TikTok people or Instagram stars that
Speaker 1: I had never heard of before that were just in him. Oh.
Speaker 2: I think I was on Jean Marco's podcast. But the
Speaker 2: Tyler Perry playing all the characters. Obviously Eddie Murphy played
Speaker 2: you know, like the line of that. But I guess
Speaker 2: there's a right wing conservative guy and he like dresses
Speaker 2: in women's clothing and like make up in a way.
Speaker 3: Again it's like I'm trans but is uh? Or you know,
Speaker 3: look at me?
Speaker 2: But John Murco is bringing up that he's never repeated
Speaker 2: an outfit, that it's all sewn to perfection, and that
Speaker 2: his makeup looks incredible, and like, I wonder how many
Speaker 2: years into this is he gonna be like, Oh I
Speaker 2: like this, you know what I mean? Yeah, because all
Speaker 2: the things like oh am I a woman now?
Speaker 1: And it's like it seems like you're padding is pretty
Speaker 1: on point. Yeah, you're you're definitely looking up tutorials. You're
Speaker 1: not just like spackling on some makeup here.
Speaker 2: So yeah, because so the quote that he used when
Speaker 2: I was I think I was on their pod was like,
Speaker 2: if you write a woman a sonet, you love her.
Speaker 2: If you write someone five hundred sonnets, you love sonnets. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I just thought. I also just met a friend
Speaker 2: of a friend and every Halloween he likes to get
Speaker 2: really slutty. He goes, it's when women dress slutty, and
Speaker 2: I like to honor that Halloween tradition, and it's not
Speaker 2: always like woman slutty, like sometimes I forgot the option,
Speaker 2: you know, like the boor at the bathing suit's kind
Speaker 2: of slutty.
Speaker 3: Like you could.
Speaker 2: But this past year he was a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader
Speaker 2: like wig, but nobody'd be like a full little outfit
Speaker 2: and he goes out no jacket and it's very important
Speaker 2: to him to just like be a part of Halloween culture.
Speaker 2: And he said that they went to like a Broie
Speaker 2: bar and this like big ass bro was like going
Speaker 2: over and talk to me.
Speaker 3: He's like, great, I'm gonna get fucked with.
Speaker 2: But the guy said to him, whenever I look in
Speaker 2: the mirror, I wish I saw what you look like.
Speaker 3: And so then he was like, oh okay.
Speaker 2: And then his friend was talking to the guys for
Speaker 2: like the two friends of these guys are talking and
Speaker 2: the guy went, oh, no, my friend's trying to fuck
Speaker 2: your friend for sure. So then I was thinking about
Speaker 2: the pickup line of like wanting to see that in
Speaker 2: the mirror but also fuck this person, and yeah, I
Speaker 2: was just I've been thinking about it for days, so
Speaker 2: shout out, wow.
Speaker 3: That is interesting, geez.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because his wife actually got us a new list.
Speaker 2: I think his his sister in law is now listening
Speaker 2: to the pod, so welcome, but hello, welcome to this.
Speaker 2: But yeah, to be like, every time I look at
Speaker 2: the mirror, I wish I looked like you. So it's
Speaker 2: like I just wonder how. I mean, we know howman like.
Speaker 2: We know it's a lot because gay dudes are fucking
Speaker 2: straight dudes all the time quote unquote yes so, but
Speaker 2: I am curious how many ultra aggressive, agro straight.
Speaker 3: Guys are really like on Halloween.
Speaker 2: Trying to fuck as straight dude and a cowboy cheerleader outfit,
Speaker 2: and how much of it is wanting to know fuck
Speaker 2: the person and then be the person.
Speaker 3: And it's just like, ye, so wild, and.
Speaker 1: There's like a narcissism in there, like you want to
Speaker 1: fuck the person that you want to be also like
Speaker 1: because you Yeah, I don't know, that's weird, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: But I hope that that guy finds what he's looking for.
Speaker 1: I hope he finds the right cheerleader. Well, gays do
Speaker 1: that for sure. They love to fuck people that look
Speaker 1: like themselves. Oh, I have like so many friends that
Speaker 1: are married to people that look exactly like them. It's like,
Speaker 1: so it's so crazy. Wait you were speaking of you
Speaker 1: were talking about Eddie Murphy for a second.
Speaker 3: Just reminded me.
Speaker 1: Did you see that Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence's kids
Speaker 1: are engaged to each other?
Speaker 3: I thought that was cute all that like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's I think it's Eddie Murphy's son
Speaker 1: and Martin Lawrence's daughter, or I might be reversed, but like, yeah, they're.
Speaker 3: Kind of the white version of that.
Speaker 2: I would says Tony Hawk's child son is married to
Speaker 2: Kurt Cobain and Courtney Yes' daughter, and I feel like that's, uh,
Speaker 2: that's pretty epic too. I mean the net posts are
Speaker 2: just everywhere. I yeah, and they're all, yeah, getting married.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't they marry each other?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of like, I kind of I think
Speaker 1: that's like so cute. I mean everything on the internet
Speaker 1: is about Luigi. It's really hard to get away from it.
Speaker 1: I mean it's another week and we still don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: For me, it's like end of Era's tour. It's still
Speaker 2: wicked over here. For us, it's still Luigi. It's Oh
Speaker 2: and then there was like a post where it's him
Speaker 2: and jail being like, no, not Penn State, Penn, Like yeah, that.
Speaker 1: Was like somebody said it last night. He was like, oh,
Speaker 1: we went to Penn and I was like, oh, that
Speaker 1: was my dream school.
Speaker 3: I wanted to go there. He did get in.
Speaker 1: I really wanted to go to Penn. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll never be as good as Luigi. Should we get started.
Speaker 1: I mean, I got a great episode.
Speaker 3: I know it's a really good episode. I really like it.
Speaker 2: I just feel like, oh, a Southern Charm premiered, you know,
Speaker 2: a month and a half ago, so talk about statement
Speaker 2: of Southern farm. But Shep, Oh my god, So you know,
Speaker 2: Shep's always a mess and like, I don't know much
Speaker 2: you know about it these for those who don't watch,
Speaker 2: it's like descendants of slave owners living in Charleston and
Speaker 2: they're all wealthy and kind of douchey, and then a
Speaker 2: few you.
Speaker 3: Know, Craig's and Northerner. But Shep's just a mess.
Speaker 2: He's a classic frat boy, like a Will Ferrell wedding
Speaker 2: crashers in his forties and last Bravo con he got
Speaker 2: so fucked up to the point like that was all
Speaker 2: part of the reunion last season was like he fucked
Speaker 2: up so bad, he was so blacked out, and everyone
Speaker 2: kind of ditched him and didn't want to deal with
Speaker 2: his shit anymore. Like Craig's like, I have a business,
Speaker 2: I have shit to do, Like I'm not dealing with
Speaker 2: her blacked out ass. And he does the most classic thing,
Speaker 2: which is he does ayahuasca and then he sits down
Speaker 2: and blames them for being bad friends and abandoning him
Speaker 2: and taking no responsibility for his drinking, and I just
Speaker 2: love that, And Craig's like, yeah, I've been drinking like
Speaker 2: ten minutes. I barely drink anymore. Like I don't know
Speaker 2: what to tell you. I don't want to hang out,
Speaker 2: like this is not a But then they have to
Speaker 2: apologize and be like, yeah, we should have been.
Speaker 3: There for you.
Speaker 2: But it's like we've seen this breakdown so many times,
Speaker 2: like the fact that like you went to do ayahuasca
Speaker 2: and it's still not like how I could change.
Speaker 3: It's like, you guys are actually bad friends. When I
Speaker 3: was blacked out, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually got a lot of clarity on something,
Speaker 1: and it's that you guys are all wrong, Like you
Speaker 1: guys are actually the beast.
Speaker 3: That actually happened.
Speaker 2: I went and had a drug journey with a big
Speaker 2: group and one of the people who is I would say,
Speaker 2: the most sunhinged. Her big takeaway was that she has
Speaker 2: everything figured out and she's right about everything, and she
Speaker 2: has no problems and she solved them all.
Speaker 3: Wow. That was her big powerful drug. Wow.
Speaker 2: That is so powerful. She's like, I have nothing to
Speaker 2: work on. It's all good, and we're like, okay, cool.
Speaker 1: Everybody's like crying, throwing up, like talking to spirits gone,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm actually killing it. I don't know
Speaker 1: what to say. Wow, Wow, I know who you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I'm almost positive and that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: But uh, I hope everybody's getting uh is starting off
Speaker 1: their year with a not a person that's told them
Speaker 1: that they're the worst in after a drug journey. But
Speaker 1: let's let's start right. We've got a great episode today
Speaker 1: and uh, don't go anywhere. It's about to start. Okay, thrilled.
Speaker 1: I've been wanting to do this episode for a while.
Speaker 1: Prodigy Season three, episode thirteen, Get with it, Okay. So
Speaker 1: two cops that look like they're straight from the Andy
Speaker 1: Griffith Show comically giant hats.
Speaker 3: These are uniform dorks and.
Speaker 2: They're at a boat's slip doc area talking boat lingo
Speaker 2: retirement plans, and they're like and then one of them's like,
Speaker 2: retirement you haven't even been here six months?
Speaker 3: Like what?
Speaker 2: But I guess that's the young The young post is
Speaker 2: the boats. They see a man with a Duffel in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night.
Speaker 3: Not good.
Speaker 2: They ask for his marina pass. Clearly he doesn't have one.
Speaker 2: Why play these games? Flashlights up the duffel boys starts running.
Speaker 2: He tosses the bag into the water and runs off.
Speaker 2: The chase is on until they trip over another like
Speaker 2: active crime scene. So that sucks, And it's an old
Speaker 2: dead man suggestively posed onto a young dead woman and
Speaker 2: Pixie cut Benson quickly on the scene with Stabler filling
Speaker 2: her in.
Speaker 3: No wallet on the guy.
Speaker 2: The woman is strip naked sexually positioned after death and
Speaker 2: they're looking for the weapon and then the hands are
Speaker 2: missing of the woman and then Benson goes and the
Speaker 2: head so knock the.
Speaker 1: Gruesome as they say, a gruesome crime scene and.
Speaker 2: You know, is it the man with the duffel or not?
Speaker 2: They have him in custody so let's do a little chat.
Speaker 2: They can't chat. He's deaf, and that's the lead into
Speaker 2: the credits. So the big dun done is they have
Speaker 2: to wait for an interpreter, and that's the cliffhanger that
Speaker 2: we go into the credits with. They got him in
Speaker 2: cement room bars and he's annoyed and you know he's
Speaker 2: signing with the detectives though. He goes, yeah, I'm deaf,
Speaker 2: not dumb, because they're treating him like like he's an idiot.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want a lawyer though, because he did nothing wrong,
Speaker 2: and they're like, okay, you were on the docks. He goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I couldn't sleep and I went for a walk and
Speaker 2: he goes, I didn't hear them. The cops announced themselves.
Speaker 2: I just saw a blinding light. I was scared. The
Speaker 2: bag was weighing me down. I had to go. They
Speaker 2: accused the bag of having body parts, and the dude
Speaker 2: is like what And then he's so grossed out by
Speaker 2: the pictures and he's like, I don't know what you're pulling,
Speaker 2: but this is not me okay, And then they're like,
Speaker 2: then tell us.
Speaker 3: What's in the bag. He goes, well, not body parts.
Speaker 2: And then Munch and Craig and walk and talk and
Speaker 2: it's like, so this guy, you know, it seems like
Speaker 2: a burglary. They found the bag, there's two laptops and
Speaker 2: some jewelry. So Sailor walks out to meet suspender Daddy
Speaker 2: in the spy room and he's like, I don't think
Speaker 2: the deaf dude did it, Like, you know, his past
Speaker 2: crimes are weed and theft. Like he's not covered in blood.
Speaker 2: I really don't think it. So like they just don't
Speaker 2: think it was him. And then so Craigan orders to
Speaker 2: give this guy up to burglary and then check out.
Speaker 2: Let's check out the deaf community and see if any
Speaker 2: of his enemies are missing. So lol on that, like,
Speaker 2: he can only have enemies that are deaf, And so
Speaker 2: the brainstorm meeting starts. Now why is she missing hand head?
Speaker 2: But the man is fully intact. That's a good question.
Speaker 2: Munch is like, maybe a cannibal, and Fin's like, shut
Speaker 2: the fuck up. If it was a cannibal, they would
Speaker 2: have used more fleshy parts of his body. And then
Speaker 2: Craigan's like, enough, boys, I want facts, not theories. So
Speaker 2: we have to go learn about the victims. Like, hopefully
Speaker 2: that'll help us. So we go down to the emmy's
Speaker 2: office and we have o'hallerin. He's cute, he's young, We
Speaker 2: love him. The man that is dead is in his
Speaker 2: mid fifties, the woman early forties. They both had deep
Speaker 2: stab wounds in their stomach, and then the guy had
Speaker 2: lipstick on his dick and sperm aside, so maybe they
Speaker 2: were having sex, Like is it a rape?
Speaker 3: Is it sex? Like?
Speaker 2: What's going on? Is it an accident on purpose? Like
Speaker 2: what's up? And then but the dude had a wedding
Speaker 2: ring on, so Stabler's like, oh no, no, this is
Speaker 2: married couples don't fucking parks like this.
Speaker 3: Something's up here.
Speaker 2: So Hallerin goes, yeah, but I don't think this woman's
Speaker 2: a working girl. I've never met a working girl in
Speaker 2: her forties without any cervical display, So maybe a mistress. Again,
Speaker 2: they don't look like they party together, so what's gonna happen?
Speaker 2: Like he had a point one seven blood alcohol and
Speaker 2: she was clean. There's no print hits on him. But
Speaker 2: he is a peace maker, a peacemaker. He's a pacemaker,
Speaker 2: a pacemaker. So he because of the numbers and the pacemaker. Uh,
Speaker 2: doctors have to keep records on all of their patients.
Speaker 2: So off to the office. We go to Ruben's, the
Speaker 2: office of Ned Rubin. You don't need to know. It's
Speaker 2: an industries. I can't believe it. We go to a
Speaker 2: place with the pacemakers. The guy, of course, is like privacy, privacy.
Speaker 2: Finn and Munch are gonna like get him to talk.
Speaker 2: They threaten him, so he goes. Okay, his name's Edward
Speaker 2: Bugs and they have his wife in a little sweater
Speaker 2: in woodroom blinds. She's very Midwest to me. He works
Speaker 2: the night shift. But why was he in the park.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense to her. He works at Randall's Island.
Speaker 2: She doesn't know why he was drinking, like ed doesn't
Speaker 2: drink anymore. She's either in denial or something's going on.
Speaker 2: They ask if he's cheating on her, and she starts
Speaker 2: to cry. It's like, okay, he's dead. Do you have
Speaker 2: to bring this up right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Were you also being cheated on by your dead husband?
Speaker 2: Like they really have no tapped for special victims. Finn
Speaker 2: Munched Craigan look onto Stabler and Benson with her, and
Speaker 2: Finn is like, yeah, she did it.
Speaker 3: She killed them.
Speaker 2: Look at her acting and it's like this sad, sad woman,
Speaker 2: she did not mastermind this murder, like she is not
Speaker 2: an actress.
Speaker 3: Finn is so off his game here.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, this shaky woman no, and then Munch calls
Speaker 2: her meek mindy, like she truly is not the killer Finn,
Speaker 2: and Finn goes, she could have hired a hit man,
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh yeah, it's still season three. He
Speaker 2: hasn't learned yet and this isn't a narcotics So they
Speaker 2: go to a bar where they think this guy was
Speaker 2: drinking and the bartender remembers him he's had whiskey on
Speaker 2: the rocks there every single night for the past two weeks.
Speaker 2: And then Thursday though, he hooked up with a regular
Speaker 2: whose name is Vinnie, and Vinnie a scum. So what
Speaker 2: we find out about them is like they talk about women,
Speaker 2: and they did leave together because something about ice cubes melting.
Speaker 3: Oh, she goes, I got to get back to work.
Speaker 2: My ice cubes are melting, like so funny to me,
Speaker 2: so like there's so much like extra ice to use,
Speaker 2: you don't have to use those, Like how long could
Speaker 2: they have possibly been talking that the ice cubes are melting.
Speaker 2: It's it's a perfect bar seem so. Anyways, we meet Vinnie.
Speaker 2: We have Vinnie and cement room bars. He's a scumbag.
Speaker 2: We love this guy. He has a silk patterned top on.
Speaker 2: He's a wise guy. Also familiar face. He's been in
Speaker 2: four episodes of svo SO season one, Bad Blood, season nine, Savant,
Speaker 2: and season fourteen Girl Dishonored, and he's been working on
Speaker 2: stop since the eighties. He's been an oz Boardwalk Empire
Speaker 2: and on Blue Bloods for two hundred and twenty three
Speaker 2: episodes with small parts into twenty seven dresses, Wolf of
Speaker 2: Wall Street and The Avengers.
Speaker 3: Did I write his name down? I did not, but
Speaker 3: it's him.
Speaker 2: So he goes, screw you and Benson goes, I can
Speaker 2: screw you harder.
Speaker 3: How has that not been a gift?
Speaker 2: That seems crazy, like for all the horny SVU maniacs
Speaker 2: like for that not to be like, I can't believe
Speaker 2: we've never seen that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was thinking that too.
Speaker 1: I was like, why is that not up there with
Speaker 1: the captain and the pickle or like I want your
Speaker 1: balls in a blunder, But ain't like that.
Speaker 2: It's just as good. Yeah, I can screw you harder.
Speaker 3: Okay. So he's like, listen, me and this sad guy.
Speaker 2: We just talked shit about bitches, and he especially talked
Speaker 2: shit about his female ball busting boss. She fired him
Speaker 2: two weeks ago for no reason. But he hadn't told
Speaker 2: his wife yet about the firing. That's why he was
Speaker 2: getting drunk and he was like building up the courage
Speaker 2: to confess to his wife that night that you know,
Speaker 2: that he has no job, and so Vinnie wanted to
Speaker 2: go hunt for more women at another bar.
Speaker 3: So this is where they split up.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's like I gotta go talk to
Speaker 2: my wife, and Vinnie's like, I'm gonna go to try
Speaker 2: to get fucked, and you know, nature called.
Speaker 3: He goes to pee in Riverside Park.
Speaker 2: Vinnie got a cab and you know, it was like
Speaker 2: peace out, go have fun peeing. So now we're back
Speaker 2: at the scene of the crime and Finn finds blood
Speaker 2: on a tree. And they did find bark in his
Speaker 2: forehead earlier, so he was probably peeing at this tree
Speaker 2: while right near him. In a fucking wild turn of events,
Speaker 2: someone was killing and positioning the dead woman, and so
Speaker 2: they had nothing to do, and then Munch goes, okay,
Speaker 2: let's do a urine analysis stat So they're gonna check
Speaker 2: the piss on the tree. But like, I can't even
Speaker 2: imagine going to like pee drunken and then there's a
Speaker 2: crime scene and now you're dead. So he had no
Speaker 2: connection to this woman at all. But it also explains
Speaker 2: why his pants were open as well, and the lipstick
Speaker 2: on the dick obviously staged.
Speaker 1: But like, did the killer do that? Like, yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: I guess he did cap there's a d capitation. I
Speaker 1: guess you could have done it with like the dead.
Speaker 1: Oh oh no, sorry sorry, yeah, no, you're right though.
Speaker 1: That does make a lot more logistical sense.
Speaker 2: But Benson gets a call at this moment and a
Speaker 2: sewer worker in Brooklyn found the remains of a hand.
Speaker 3: It could be her hand. So now we have a
Speaker 3: close up of the hand.
Speaker 2: I'm not happy, and it's Daniel Sunjatas So we have
Speaker 2: another sexy emmy.
Speaker 3: I can't believe how lucky we are.
Speaker 2: And Okay, so he with tweezers takes off like the
Speaker 2: skin thumb print, but he needs to put the thin
Speaker 2: skin thumb skin on Benson's thumb to get a good print,
Speaker 2: because you can't just you know, take a floppy skin
Speaker 2: off a dead thing. And also like rats were biting
Speaker 2: on the hand. It really is upsetting. So she puts
Speaker 2: on a latex love and the thumb skin prints it
Speaker 2: down and hopefully there's a hit of some sort.
Speaker 3: She does not look happy. She looks like she's about
Speaker 3: to throw up.
Speaker 2: No, and the the like, hand is this color kind
Speaker 2: of looks like the Brann Stoker's Dracula skin color, Like
Speaker 2: it is whiteish, grayish, it's been underwater. It's not good.
Speaker 2: Yeah of the undead. Yeah, like anyway, So Vicky, Vicky
Speaker 2: Vinnie walks through the precinct and yells past the Polly.
Speaker 3: I love him, like truly, I wish I met him
Speaker 3: out that night. I love this guy.
Speaker 2: And Craigan walks in and goes hit on the thumb
Speaker 2: print and Sally. It's special Agent Pam Tilden who works
Speaker 2: at the MFPCA, the Dog Police. She investigated people who
Speaker 2: fucked with animals and they do end up being your
Speaker 2: future wife beaters, child abusers, and serial killers. So it
Speaker 2: makes sense to invest and investigate and actually make true.
Speaker 2: I think, like peeping Tom, anything that leads to bigger
Speaker 2: crimes should be treated super seriously. Yeah, if we're talking prevention,
Speaker 2: if cops want to pretend that they're at prevention, which
Speaker 2: they don't even pretend anymore. So they go to the
Speaker 2: dog cops and this dude is like, damn, she might
Speaker 2: have known her killer fuck, but we've learned that she
Speaker 2: was married to the job.
Speaker 3: All about work. You know, she worked really hard.
Speaker 2: And in this office there's snakes and iguanas, and you know,
Speaker 2: we want to see the cases to see if there's enemies.
Speaker 2: And they're going through the files in the office. There
Speaker 2: was a dog fighting ring she helped break up, so
Speaker 2: and she took a bunch of pit bulls away and
Speaker 2: then the kennel was vandalized. So they go back to
Speaker 2: the MFPCA office and they're like, dude, like to the
Speaker 2: guy they talked to earlier, like why wouldn't you tell
Speaker 2: us about the vandalizing, like your girl's dead, and he goes, well,
Speaker 2: it was an isolated incident months ago, like I didn't
Speaker 2: put it together.
Speaker 3: And it's like, and you're a cop, okay. Perfect.
Speaker 2: Benson pets a dog and calls him pooch, which I
Speaker 2: don't really hear that a lot.
Speaker 3: It was really cute.
Speaker 2: And then there's another man that shows up and he's
Speaker 2: kind of hot, I would say. And the hawkey said
Speaker 2: that she would not go to the park after dark
Speaker 2: unless she thought there was a hurt animal in there,
Speaker 2: and that like she she's not playing hopscotch.
Speaker 3: It's all about the animals for her.
Speaker 2: So they talked to this guy now and they're like,
Speaker 2: anybody causing her trouble and he goes, yeah, this one
Speaker 2: kid does. And they go to a cage or a
Speaker 2: cat name's Slinky and there's a bandage on her tail.
Speaker 2: He poured paint thinner on the tail and set it
Speaker 2: on fire. So and then this this teen who did
Speaker 2: the paint thinner on the cat is fifteen or sixteen
Speaker 2: years old, and he would always cuss out this Tilden woman.
Speaker 2: And he was there part of a punishment because yeah,
Speaker 2: he fucks with animals. So he got ten sessions in
Speaker 2: their unit to work with the shrink at the animal place.
Speaker 2: So they go talk to this therapist. Let's see what
Speaker 2: she's going to give us. So they did this program
Speaker 2: because there's, like I said, there's not much punishment for
Speaker 2: animal abuse. It's a misdemeanor, and so they're thinking like
Speaker 2: maybe this therapy program is what we can do to
Speaker 2: actually make a difference.
Speaker 3: The teen's name is Harry Baker.
Speaker 2: He's a cat torture and she said if he did
Speaker 2: any direct threats like that, she would have reported it asap.
Speaker 2: And Siebler goes, well, what do you mean direct threats?
Speaker 2: And she's like, listen. He's an aggressive, angry boy who
Speaker 2: had a positive talk screen of at birth for cocaine.
Speaker 2: So and then his mom was a stripper and would
Speaker 2: bring him to the to work all the time, so
Speaker 2: he grew up at the strip club. She couldn't afford daycare.
Speaker 2: He was born with cocaine a system, so he's got
Speaker 2: some issues. But also he's in the gifted program, very
Speaker 2: smart and he has a lot of potential, but for
Speaker 2: now he's very predatory. So we get a little Cabot action.
Speaker 2: She drops a file on Benson's desk where Benson's hard
Speaker 2: at work, and Cabot says, you can thank me later,
Speaker 2: but here's Harry Baker's file, and Benson wants more in
Speaker 2: Cabot's like, okay, on a juvie, You're lucky you have
Speaker 2: what I gave you. But we get a little more
Speaker 2: insight on Pam and Harry's relationship because we find out
Speaker 2: that she like based on her filings, like the probation
Speaker 2: officer quested intense supervision on him, and it was because
Speaker 2: Agent Tilden had suspicion of numerous I can't even unadjudicated
Speaker 2: prior offenses. So and Bensa goes, well what are those?
Speaker 2: And Cabots, like Lord knows, Benson tells Habit to get
Speaker 2: more info. So we're in a walk and talk in
Speaker 2: the middle of the marble courthouse hallways and she is
Speaker 2: a busy bee and like she like, so she goes
Speaker 2: to this woman to try to talk to her, and
Speaker 2: immediately the woman goes, what do you want? Like, I know,
Speaker 2: you're not just talking to me. So this woman that
Speaker 2: Cabot wants a favor like information from goes listen. Usually
Speaker 2: with these juvenile cases, it's a cry for help and
Speaker 2: the kid is being abused, but I found nothing like
Speaker 2: that with Harry. Actually, we just found dozens more dead
Speaker 2: and mutilated animals, but they couldn't really connect him to
Speaker 2: any of it. And the closest they got was this
Speaker 2: girl who he had the hots for who said no,
Speaker 2: thank you. And so then one day she's at the deli,
Speaker 2: you know, her dog's tied up outside, and then the
Speaker 2: next second her dog is gone, and then it was
Speaker 2: decapitated on her stoop the next day. So Cabot's like eek.
Speaker 2: And then we go to Harry's mom's house. So her
Speaker 2: name is Daisy. We're at West ninety eighth Street, and
Speaker 2: then they're like, where was your son Thursday night? And
Speaker 2: she goes, oh, he's a dork, like reading in his
Speaker 2: room like always. And she goes that I had company,
Speaker 2: and so she sleeps on a pull out couch in
Speaker 2: the living room and Harry's room is just right there
Speaker 2: with a beaded curtain, and it's like, if you're gonna
Speaker 2: fuck in the living room, give your son a real door,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I so it's just like
Speaker 2: beaded vibes. He's just like listening to his mom fuck
Speaker 2: like no wonder. He's like, you know, putting paints in
Speaker 2: her own cattails. They ask about his history killing animals
Speaker 2: and she says, oh, he would never do that, boy mom.
Speaker 2: And she's in she's in a red bra and ready
Speaker 2: to clown and she thinks all the stuff is lies,
Speaker 2: and everyone's jealous of her son because he's so smart
Speaker 2: and he's just misunderstood.
Speaker 3: And then she brags.
Speaker 2: She goes, he is so good at science, he's the
Speaker 2: best frog he's so good at frog dissection skills. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know if this is what you
Speaker 2: brag about when they're investigating him for animal abuse, for like,
Speaker 2: he's really good at dissecting frogs. And she goes, but
Speaker 2: he's just really curious about all the anatomy and stuff.
Speaker 2: So they asked to look in his room and she goes, oh,
Speaker 2: he has nothing to hide, go on in there, and
Speaker 2: she goes into the bathroom like she won't even watch them.
Speaker 2: This room is crazy. It is covered in newspapers everywhere,
Speaker 2: all crime, So for the mom to say there's nothing
Speaker 2: to hide is truly insane. This room is covered in
Speaker 2: newspapers as wallpaper, all crime and murder stories, like red
Speaker 2: paint looking like blood. And there's a fire escape right
Speaker 2: outside his window so he can sneak out whenever he wants.
Speaker 2: And then every single book on his shelf is a
Speaker 2: crime book or about police procedure, or about a serial killer. Yikes,
Speaker 2: and then Michael Pitt walks in and he has like
Speaker 2: a Nick Carter boy band hair blonde situation. He's famous
Speaker 2: for a Murder by the Numbers and if it wasn't
Speaker 2: for Leonardo DiCaprio, I think he would have had a
Speaker 2: better career because he is hot and good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was this movie.
Speaker 1: When I was living in Italy in two thousand and three,
Speaker 1: we had to just go see movies that were available
Speaker 1: in English, and like, there weren't that many. So I
Speaker 1: went to go see this movie called The Dreamers. Have
Speaker 1: you ever heard of this movie? Yeah, I was pretty
Speaker 1: famous and sexy. Oh okay, yeah, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: like it was like so it was like he meets
Speaker 1: a brother and sister and they like just threesome it
Speaker 1: up all over the place. I just hadn't really seen
Speaker 1: a big movie like that before with so much incest,
Speaker 1: even though I wasn't a SVU watcher the big screen,
Speaker 1: you know. But yes, totally, he had such a Leo vibe.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, go to run in Boardwalk Empire. That makes
Speaker 1: me happy. Twenty four episodes. Okay, he's like it still working,
Speaker 1: I feel it is.
Speaker 3: But nothing like what you would Oh. He was in bully.
Speaker 3: I forgot that. Oh Dawson's Creek.
Speaker 2: I don't know. He's just like so hot. I guess
Speaker 2: to me, it's just murdered by the numbers and SVU.
Speaker 2: Oh funny games. I was like too scared to watch it.
Speaker 2: I want to watch it, but it's so scary. It's
Speaker 2: like he kidnaps like two psychomen take a family hostage. Yes,
Speaker 2: watch so scary, so scary. The trailer alone was scary
Speaker 2: enough for me. Maybe I'll really push myself. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: I'm on its page and it says Tim Roth. He
Speaker 2: said making this film traumatized him and he'll never watch it.
Speaker 2: He said he was particularly disturbed because one of the
Speaker 2: guys resembled his own son.
Speaker 1: Oh oh god, Yeah, that's the scary one, because that
Speaker 1: one's like kind of like this one Martyrs that Jared
Speaker 1: almost fainted when he watched it.
Speaker 3: He stood up and he almost fainted.
Speaker 1: It's this movie called Martyrs that's also like a home
Speaker 1: invasion that's like supposed to be really really Also, Michael Pitt,
Speaker 1: if anybody watched Hannibal, which I watched, that show was
Speaker 1: so fucking unhinged, but I watched all of it. He
Speaker 1: plays this insane character named Mason Verger Michael Pitt does.
Speaker 3: That's the last thing I've seen.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he does play psychos, but like, yeah, that
Speaker 2: are pained, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, tortured psychos.
Speaker 1: Tortured psychos on his resume as special skills.
Speaker 3: Fucked with his face though, oh maybe, I mean yeah.
Speaker 2: I wonder if he can only play this kind of psycho,
Speaker 2: Like I wonder if you know it is Leonardo DiCaprio.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, he was headwig crazy.
Speaker 1: He also is just really good, like so scary, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know if you can come
Speaker 1: back to be like a romantic lead when you've been
Speaker 1: this like scary scary guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something more menacing than Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but whatever. He walks in as they're searching his creepy
Speaker 2: little room. Then the mom went, He's got nothing to hide, truly,
Speaker 2: not one, not murder.
Speaker 1: Thing, like like a murder layer.
Speaker 2: So clueless. Even if it wasn't articles about murder and
Speaker 2: just newspaper lining the walls, I'd be like, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: bring my son for a test, you know, I'd be
Speaker 2: like I'm a little worried about what's going on here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he goes, hey, guys looking for something and then
Speaker 2: they go, yeah, babe, we have some questions. He goes, oh,
Speaker 2: is this about Pam. It really sucks. You know, we
Speaker 2: were kind of tight. He's like, Pam was cool and
Speaker 2: her death was so whack, but they never published all
Speaker 2: the details. Can you give me some and Benson goes, no,
Speaker 2: can you? And he goes in his street clothes onto
Speaker 2: his bed. If we needed any more evidence that this
Speaker 2: is a psychopath, and then they go it seems like
Speaker 2: your interests are weird, you know, kind of dark, and
Speaker 2: he goes, yeah, my therapist agrees with you that I
Speaker 2: have an aggressive view of the world and a predatory drive,
Speaker 2: and if I don't get it together, I could wind
Speaker 2: up a cop.
Speaker 3: He's funny, Okay, So so.
Speaker 2: Then they ask about Carrie, the girl with the missing
Speaker 2: dog that was found to capitate it, and he says, yeah,
Speaker 2: she was mad. I broke her heart and they go
Speaker 2: what by killing her dog? And he goes, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I don't mean to sound egotistical, but I drive the
Speaker 2: girl is a little crazy. He's very calm, he's very cocky,
Speaker 2: and they go talk to Carrie. She's working at a
Speaker 2: pizza restaurant. She's making pizzays. She says he was creepy
Speaker 2: and is horrible and like wouldn't stop.
Speaker 3: Calling her and following her around.
Speaker 2: And he's like he would say that he dreamed that
Speaker 2: they would die in a car crash together, and there's
Speaker 2: all these letters and she did tell the cops, but
Speaker 2: he puts on the charm and that was that and
Speaker 2: suddenly she's the nutcase in school.
Speaker 3: And her friends were also like, girl, he's cute. What's
Speaker 3: the problem.
Speaker 2: And Munch and Finn are like, well, we need to
Speaker 2: get him off the street, but we need your help,
Speaker 2: and she goes, oh, you don't get it. All I
Speaker 2: did was turn him down for a date and he
Speaker 2: killed my dog. I'm not messing with Harry. Thank you bye.
Speaker 2: Can I please work my minimum wage job the fuck
Speaker 2: out of here. Finn is like, is there anyone that
Speaker 2: could help us? And so we wud go off to
Speaker 2: Andrew Johnson High School. In the bathroom, they're looking for
Speaker 2: someone named Philip who's hiding in the bathroom like scary
Speaker 2: movie style, you know what I mean, like the standing
Speaker 2: on a toilet and he's huffing cooking. So okay, he's huffing,
Speaker 2: cooking spray like rolls out of a stall. He's in
Speaker 2: the flan and he goes, we don't hang out anymore.
Speaker 2: That guy's obsessed with death, and you know, he's.
Speaker 1: Like, I just want to huff in peace, and he
Speaker 1: just keeps talking about murdering pets.
Speaker 2: He goes, yeah, I don't. I don't like cats either,
Speaker 2: But that guy what a super freak. They threatened to
Speaker 2: tell on him for huffing. So he spills the beans
Speaker 2: on Harry's special little hiding spot. So they are off
Speaker 2: in Central Park and I wonder how close this is
Speaker 2: to Cynthia Nixon's character's spider dwelling that she hunts hunts in.
Speaker 2: But so he likes to be alone with his collection
Speaker 2: of skulls and stuff. So he's been slicing and dicing
Speaker 2: free things for years. So we got to find this stuff.
Speaker 2: And it's a big park crew. Everyone's searching. Craigan and
Speaker 2: Huang are having a beautiful you know, it's bare trees,
Speaker 2: but still exciting walking down a hill of the park
Speaker 2: and Huang gives his low down, so he goes sadistic
Speaker 2: sociopath likes to take his time, draws, you know, raws
Speaker 2: out the pain. Likes control and domination. And then during
Speaker 2: the torture there's like no empathy and afterward no remorse.
Speaker 2: And then they find a cooler buried. They opened it
Speaker 2: and there's just tons of animal skulls, about a dozen
Speaker 2: small animals and a knife. So we find a big
Speaker 2: hunting knife. We get it to the lab immediately. Michael
Speaker 2: Pitt is in cement room bars with his mom, who's
Speaker 2: wearing a going out top, and he is still thinking
Speaker 2: this is a joke and they're and you know.
Speaker 1: Lol, they think I murdered two people. That's why we're here, mom,
Speaker 1: And the mom is like, he gets straight, A's it's
Speaker 1: not him.
Speaker 2: And they show the animal skull collection photos to her
Speaker 2: and she gets a little loud and Harry goes sh
Speaker 2: and then outlines police tactics and like what they're gonna do,
Speaker 2: and he's just very smug. He also has a sheepskin
Speaker 2: fur lined coat, and I wonder if Stabler's like, damn,
Speaker 2: that's a nice coat. We got a book him so
Speaker 2: I can take it. And then he does a monologue
Speaker 2: about all the great killers and their mos and their
Speaker 2: path to infamy. He talks about shooters. There's just a
Speaker 2: lot of monologues, and the mom screams. She's like stop it,
Speaker 2: and he snickers at her, and Cabot and Huang are
Speaker 2: watching in the spy window, and she says, damn, that's
Speaker 2: one cold kid, and then the mom needs a break,
Speaker 2: so Benson walks her out and she waved her sons
Speaker 2: and Miranda rights. Okay, that's weird, And in my head,
Speaker 2: I would like a T shirt that says Miranda Rights,
Speaker 2: but with a drawing of like Miranda from her episode
Speaker 2: alternate with face.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, her with her little pigtails, and
Speaker 1: then it just says Miranda Rights.
Speaker 2: I wish for all all of the alter egos in
Speaker 2: that episode.
Speaker 3: But it's funny. It's called Miranda Rights. It's kind of fun.
Speaker 2: And I don't know why there hasn't been a sex
Speaker 2: in the City crossover, So get it together. Benson to
Speaker 2: Cabot and Craigan, and Huang is like, fuck, this kid
Speaker 2: knows all of the tricks, so he is doing a
Speaker 2: good job. Even Benson's like, okay, he does know what
Speaker 2: we're up to. So Huang gets an idea. He's like
Speaker 2: his ego is huge, so like get him to talk
Speaker 2: and third person and hypotheticals like what could it? Like,
Speaker 2: He's not going to get bogged down, but he wants
Speaker 2: to play this game of like instructing and informing the police.
Speaker 2: So Benson amps herself up and is like, okay, let's
Speaker 2: do this. Stabler's in there playing basic threat games and like, oh,
Speaker 2: the knife of the DNA is going to match the
Speaker 2: victims and he goes, bitch, if that was me, I
Speaker 2: would have cleaned it very thoroughly. And so Benson starts
Speaker 2: playing you know her games and she goes, well, then
Speaker 2: who was it? And he says, I can't do that,
Speaker 2: like I don't know, and she goes, wow, all those
Speaker 2: books and you can't put together a simple profile.
Speaker 3: And I like that.
Speaker 2: He knows all the tricks, but this one thing, just
Speaker 2: like the ego, is just too strong.
Speaker 3: He has to get involved. He gets down to work.
Speaker 2: He's like, okay, white male, late thirties, early forties, menial job,
Speaker 2: lives alone, already in the park, was waiting in the shadows.
Speaker 2: It took her a while to find him, but the
Speaker 2: hunt is the most fun part. And Benson is like, wait,
Speaker 2: find what and he goes, well, a wounded animal. If
Speaker 2: he knew her, that's what he would use as bait,
Speaker 2: Like why else would she go in there? And Benson
Speaker 2: goes like damn okay, and like why would why would
Speaker 2: he have to like put why even do this? And
Speaker 2: his guess is maybe she rejected his advances. Takes her
Speaker 2: to a private place to be alone with her for
Speaker 2: a while because you know, he owns her now, her
Speaker 2: body and soul. I mean, he is so creepy and
Speaker 2: now he can do whatever he wants. And Ben's it's like, wait,
Speaker 2: but Tilden was in prime physical condition, like an had
Speaker 2: a gun on her. How did he overpower her? And
Speaker 2: he goes, oh, she never saw him. She was too
Speaker 2: focused and bent over this animal. It was a blitz
Speaker 2: attack and I'm sure he used something handy like a
Speaker 2: rock and he looks at her super evil like, and
Speaker 2: then Stabler makes eyes at the spy window and Huang
Speaker 2: is like, wait, was the rock detail ever released?
Speaker 3: And Cabot says no.
Speaker 2: Craigan goes, maybe a lucky guess, and Cabot goes, I
Speaker 2: don't give a fuck if it's a psychic vision, book him.
Speaker 2: So we get to book him and then they're processing
Speaker 2: Harry and then when they walk back into the precinct,
Speaker 2: Benson goes, oh god, he hit on the mugshot photographer.
Speaker 3: Can you even believe it?
Speaker 2: And they're all shocked, and it's like he is hot,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know why, They're all like can you
Speaker 2: believe this flirty maniac? It's like, yeah, he's a hot
Speaker 2: teen I don't I just I don't know, with an
Speaker 2: inflated ego.
Speaker 3: So yeah, but I'm sure he gets rejected all this time.
Speaker 2: Like he is creepy, yeah, extremely, but all her friends
Speaker 2: still blamed the girl for not going out with him anyways.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. You know. Wait, have I talked about this before?
Speaker 2: This like thing I've I might try to write a
Speaker 2: bit about it, but like I've noticed this happens on
Speaker 2: housewives where they'll be like, uh, I just have a
Speaker 2: hard time with women because after my husband cheated on
Speaker 2: me and left me with nothing, all my girlfriends turn
Speaker 2: their backs on me, and it's like what about the husband?
Speaker 2: You know, But this happens so much where they're like, well,
Speaker 2: the women stopped talking to me after my husband destroyed
Speaker 2: my life, and it's like they're still just more maybe
Speaker 2: we just expect more from her girlfriends.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's just interesting.
Speaker 2: I wonder if some of her friends went on dates
Speaker 2: with him after he did that to Slinky.
Speaker 1: Wait what, oh Slinky the dog, the cat? The cat dog?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the cat's slinky. The cat's separate. My bad,
Speaker 1: I don't remember the dog's name, Slinky. I like that
Speaker 1: as a little pet name, Slinky.
Speaker 2: I know, is that the name of the dog and
Speaker 2: toy story or no? Or he just has a slinky? Yes,
Speaker 2: I think his name.
Speaker 3: Or is it slink or something? No, it's slinky.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's but you're right, often referred to as slink. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Rosie Took corrected me the other day when I said, she.
Speaker 2: Goes No, his name is slink. I always liked him.
Speaker 2: I still have a toy from my younger years of him.
Speaker 3: And the new ones. They really like forky. Oh you
Speaker 3: know a sport.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But is it he called forky? Oh? I have no idea.
Speaker 3: I think you've seen these more.
Speaker 2: It's yes, yeah, Porky is really cute, but he is
Speaker 2: a spork.
Speaker 3: You're correct, he is. You know what's fucked up?
Speaker 2: I've seen every toy story except for two Oh, what
Speaker 2: the fuck with Jesse, which I feel like I would
Speaker 2: be connected to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good one, but neither here nor there.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the knife comes back clean, damn it. So
Speaker 2: now we have to like see when the call came
Speaker 2: in for the animal in the park. So at six
Speaker 2: thirty seven, she got a call from MFPCA, and but
Speaker 2: it wasn't from the dispatch, so that's a little suspicious,
Speaker 2: like the call came from the kennels. And then guess
Speaker 2: what an employee that works at the MFPCA pops up
Speaker 2: in the system. It's the guy from earlier who I
Speaker 2: thought was hot, Joe Paletti, and he's a dog walker there,
Speaker 2: menial job.
Speaker 3: Craigan looks pissed.
Speaker 2: Joe is a seven time rapist, so they bring his
Speaker 2: acid in and how dare he get hired? Like, you know,
Speaker 2: it is a police run kennel. Yeah, how do they
Speaker 2: have a seven time rapist working there? I mean, you're right,
Speaker 2: they're all over the place, like they're everywhere, I mean,
Speaker 2: what the fuck? So anyways, in classic US view fashion,
Speaker 2: there's a meet and greet in the lobby. So Michael
Speaker 2: Pitt sees the dog kennel guy and he goes, oh cool,
Speaker 2: the guy from the kettle, I know him.
Speaker 3: Wait did he do it?
Speaker 2: And Stabler goes to tower over him and flecks his ass,
Speaker 2: like we hate him, but they have to cut him loose,
Speaker 2: so he leaves. Palettia is now it's his turn in
Speaker 2: the cement room bars and he goes, listen, I was
Speaker 2: in Atlantic City gambling and they go, but you called
Speaker 2: from the kennel and he's denying it and says a
Speaker 2: lot of people have access to that phone. And then
Speaker 2: he says that he took the van like his van's
Speaker 2: Atlantic City, but the van was actually stolen, so I
Speaker 2: don't know what to tell you, and they go, can
Speaker 2: you even fucking breathe without lying? You're bullshit? And why
Speaker 2: didn't you file police report for your missing van?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 2: And Stabler's like, don't worry, we'll find the van for you.
Speaker 2: And then they ask if anyone at work knows about
Speaker 2: him being a rapist. He says it never came up,
Speaker 2: which is a parole violation to not disclose on a
Speaker 2: job application.
Speaker 3: I guess for dog walking. Maybe they don't check. I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: So his first charge, when he was eighteen, he served
Speaker 2: three years for raping his fourteen year old girlfriend, and
Speaker 2: then a bunch of break ins and rapes happened, and
Speaker 2: he says he doesn't have those feelings anymore, and Benson's like, okay,
Speaker 2: well you'd be the first one I've come across, and
Speaker 2: he goes, I got help. I've never missed a session.
Speaker 2: It's been three years since I got out. And they
Speaker 2: try to break him down and he goes, yes, I
Speaker 2: was sick back then, but you know how many of
Speaker 2: those people did I kill?
Speaker 3: None?
Speaker 2: That's not my thing, and they're like, yeah, but you
Speaker 2: realize with living witnesses, you had to go to jail
Speaker 2: for twelve years. This time, you didn't want to go
Speaker 2: back to jail, so you fucking killed Pam and ed
Speaker 2: and he's like, no, I did in he's screaming no.
Speaker 3: He goes, I'm rehabilitated.
Speaker 2: So now they're like, you know, they tore Paletti's house
Speaker 2: up and all they found was black casket, mini trunk
Speaker 2: box situation, and it's filled with Victoria's secret catalogs, strip
Speaker 2: club flyers, personal ads, sex chats like printed out, and
Speaker 2: just a box of creepy stuff. And Munch also finds
Speaker 2: twenty short stories of wal to Wall rape torture, Like
Speaker 2: walt Wall is a funny word to me. It's usually
Speaker 2: like wal to Wall laughs, like about movies. So I've
Speaker 2: just like never heard wal to Wall rape torture. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he sent the stories to some sex Defender buddies and
Speaker 2: he has a letter like from one of his friends going, Yo,
Speaker 2: this is the best story yet. And Kabot's like, give
Speaker 2: those to me and snatches them away, and we're we
Speaker 2: are at chambers. We're at Judge Petrowski's office, and Joe
Speaker 2: does have a good lawyer, cleo'conrad Joe Marie Lawrence. So
Speaker 2: she's there and she goes, it's his private thoughts and
Speaker 2: Kabba goes, then why am I reading them off a
Speaker 2: piece of paper? And they go back and forth for
Speaker 2: a while. You can use it, you cannot? Can we
Speaker 2: write it? And then Cleo says this is back door
Speaker 2: and you know it, and Cabot goes, your client open
Speaker 2: that door. I like love that. So we're going to
Speaker 2: core or not, Like what's what's gonna happen? So the
Speaker 2: judge is like, I think this is overreaching, but I'm
Speaker 2: gonna let a Jerry decide. Cleo is pissed, Cabot is smug.
Speaker 2: We're at trial and straight to the verdict and the
Speaker 2: sole count of obscenity in the third degree. They do
Speaker 2: find the defendant guilty.
Speaker 3: He shocked.
Speaker 2: Cleo's annoyed. He gets remanded gavel pound. So then Stabler
Speaker 2: and Benson slowly walk on over to Cabot and they're like, okay, girl,
Speaker 2: fun and then they Benson goes, nice, snow.
Speaker 3: Job, what does that mean? Um?
Speaker 2: And then Cabot's like, I mean, they asked me to
Speaker 2: stop reading from the story in less than a page,
Speaker 2: I know, she says, in less than a page she
Speaker 2: knew it was him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it says a deception or concealment of one's real
Speaker 1: motive in an attempt to flatter or persuade.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so it was like a fake case with
Speaker 2: these letters to get him off the street to then
Speaker 2: go find evidence. Okay, So yeah, they read the stories
Speaker 2: out loud. They were so disgusting, like she knew that
Speaker 2: the jury was going to convict. But Stabler's like, it's
Speaker 2: only one year. And then Cabot goes, well, there's no
Speaker 2: statute of limitations on murder, so go do your job,
Speaker 2: and we can give him more time, and they're like,
Speaker 2: there's no evidence, and Cabbot goes, yeah, that year is
Speaker 2: what I just bought you to find the head, and yeah,
Speaker 2: she's putting them to work. So they breathe deep and
Speaker 2: they're like, fuck, we have to find this head. Benson
Speaker 2: walks off. Sailor turns around and there is Harry chilling
Speaker 2: and he's like, yeah, I'm just doing homework. He has
Speaker 2: a pen in his mouth, like really relaxed and sassy,
Speaker 2: holding his notebook and this is just pissing Stabler off.
Speaker 2: So Stabler grabs him by the collar pushes him against
Speaker 2: the wall. But then the best part is Stablor goes,
Speaker 2: come here, you sick little freak. And I like that.
Speaker 2: That's a good T shirt too. Came here are you
Speaker 2: sick little freak? He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa, babe,
Speaker 2: there are witnesses here. Criminology one oh one. If you
Speaker 2: want to break the law and make sure no one's around,
Speaker 2: and Stablor goes, oh, you think you're really cute, don't you,
Speaker 2: And he goes twenty three cheerleaders can't be wrong, and
Speaker 2: it's like ugh, like you're such a loser. You're hot stop.
Speaker 2: But I guess, says mom, you know fucked him up.
Speaker 2: So Stabler says, I know where you live, I know
Speaker 2: where you learn, and I know where you bury your kill.
Speaker 2: So get used to seeing my face because you're gonna
Speaker 2: see it everywhere you turn. And he goes, don't lose
Speaker 2: your head, detective, You're already having enough trouble finding one.
Speaker 2: And then Stablor goes, eh, that's good. You know we
Speaker 2: found your whole stash. And you know he knows it's
Speaker 2: not true. So then Michael Pitt goes, hello, you think
Speaker 2: there's just one. There's never just one, and then he
Speaker 2: pouts and the camera stays on his face for like
Speaker 2: ten seconds. And now we're outside of court and Stabler's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, we gave up too easy. We have
Speaker 2: to find Pialetti's real stash. And it's like, so is
Speaker 2: Harry not a suspect anymore at all? Because even when
Speaker 2: I heard him be like, there's never just one stash, detective,
Speaker 2: I was thinking, oh, it's Harry's stash, like that, there's
Speaker 2: he has another stash with this head. But I guess
Speaker 2: his profile was right and it is Polletti. But I
Speaker 2: just thought they would be investigating both of them. So
Speaker 2: it's like, I know, I actually this is like I
Speaker 2: was confused.
Speaker 1: I thought when they go find him that like that
Speaker 1: Harry somehow is like framing POLLETTI like I didn't know
Speaker 1: how this was going, like at a good episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So but they find the stolen van of Paletti, so
Speaker 2: the detectives full teamwork, and Stabler sees bloodstains. It's canine
Speaker 2: blood though, so the Emmy who we don't Okay, So
Speaker 2: there's four CSU texts in this episode. Four because we
Speaker 2: saw Bert Trevor, we saw hallerin and then there's two
Speaker 2: unknowns who have like only one episode each. But I
Speaker 2: can't believe there's four in this episode. Yeah, I wonder
Speaker 2: why they didn't just reuse people. But it Yeah, the
Speaker 2: blood didn't help because it is dog blood, but they
Speaker 2: have but but also what animal did they use? Like
Speaker 2: what dead animal was in the park, Like they never
Speaker 2: really tell us about that, Like it could have been
Speaker 2: this blood that they find in Yeah. Yeah, but anyway,
Speaker 2: so the blood didn't help. But there's dirt on the
Speaker 2: tires that's going to lead to some thing. There's marine
Speaker 2: sand in bedrock. It's from South Jersey. Glass beads, reflective paint.
Speaker 2: U turn pull off. I can't with the soil info.
Speaker 2: He spun his wheels in the mud, he got out
Speaker 2: of the van, dumped the head, and flew out of there.
Speaker 2: So it's like, okay, but where So it has to
Speaker 2: be somewhere in Jersey or near Atlantic City, like where
Speaker 2: are we? We want more info? And he says that
Speaker 2: the soil had chemical byproducts. X ray fluorescent spectrometer will
Speaker 2: help him figure out.
Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up, you know.
Speaker 2: And then he's like with the levels like this, this
Speaker 2: dude was like on top of a chemical plant drainage ditch.
Speaker 2: And so it's like, okay, I guess we'll go check
Speaker 2: all these plants. Like what are we gonna do? He
Speaker 2: gambled till five thirty am. He used the player's card
Speaker 2: at the casino, so they know the exact hours he
Speaker 2: was playing. And then there there's like squeaking markers all
Speaker 2: around the board map the journey, their map, questing how
Speaker 2: you know what?
Speaker 3: How are they going to figure out?
Speaker 2: Then the science cop did all those tests on the
Speaker 2: dirt that he was bragging about, and he goes high
Speaker 2: levels of mercury. It's mercury salt Brian and currants and
Speaker 2: chlorine sodium hydroxide. Get me out of this mess. And
Speaker 2: so then he goes and low pH level and hydrochloronic acid,
Speaker 2: and finally Craigan yells what we're all thinking, which is
Speaker 2: how many plants have this mercury? Like we do not
Speaker 2: care about this stuff, Like you could talk to cabin
Speaker 2: about the science for core and he goes, only one plant.
Speaker 2: You've wasted so much time you could have been like,
Speaker 2: we connected it. So it's IDJ Chemicals. So we're at
Speaker 2: IDJ Chemicals and all these divers. There's a big team
Speaker 2: looking for the head, and there's tire marks, and so
Speaker 2: we know that he was there. The tire marks match
Speaker 2: and they're starting to give up Pupe. They find a
Speaker 2: box of his crap, but it's just an old Robier
Speaker 2: cans and cigarette butts. But then there's an earring and
Speaker 2: Benson's like, wait what and she grabs a little evidence
Speaker 2: bag and in it is a fucking dog earring.
Speaker 3: Okay, like who loves dogs?
Speaker 2: But this dog cop and so you know, and I
Speaker 2: can't believe it's him and not Michael pitt Or they're
Speaker 2: not working together.
Speaker 3: I'm just like so shocked at all of this.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we go to see Joe and he's like,
Speaker 2: so we it's Stabler. So Stabler goes to see Joe
Speaker 2: getting like, you know, moved around in the cells. It's
Speaker 2: like really dark prison vibes, and Joe's being cocky, goes,
Speaker 2: I could do a year on my head, no problem,
Speaker 2: And Stabler walks over with the bag and the doggy
Speaker 2: earring that's eighteen carrots. Stabler says, well, we found this
Speaker 2: earring where we know you dumped Pam's head, and he goes,
Speaker 2: you can't prove it's hers, and they go, yeah we can,
Speaker 2: and he goes, yeah we can. It was specially made
Speaker 2: for her to commemorate five years on the force. This
Speaker 2: is sad. She was just like because I wonder if
Speaker 2: she pissed him off, Like I wonder if he just
Speaker 2: needed to do it, Like I'm curious why he chose her.
Speaker 3: Like with Michael Pitt, there was motive with this.
Speaker 2: It's like, what the fuck, it's just because you have
Speaker 2: a job you're not proud of and you are a rapist.
Speaker 2: But so the pervert is stunned and says it doesn't
Speaker 2: mean Jack and then Sailor goes, but there's more, and
Speaker 2: he's loving every moment of the slow reveal. Her DNA
Speaker 2: is on the dog earring and there's a three point
Speaker 2: match to his thumb print. So add twenty five more
Speaker 2: years and choke on it and he is stunned. And
Speaker 2: that is dick wolf baby crazy. Michael Pitt is a
Speaker 2: red herring and all this and yeah, so and one
Speaker 2: day he will go down for murder, like Michael Pitt
Speaker 2: will will murder a person.
Speaker 1: They lost an opportunity to bring him back, like season
Speaker 1: seven eight, bring him back and be like we watch
Speaker 1: this kid for cause, like it's bring him back.
Speaker 2: Now, they can bring him back season twenty seven, let's go.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, the biggest shit bring the biggest.
Speaker 1: Arc jump in his story from season three to season
Speaker 1: twenty six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for my Becket's agent is listening, come on, bring
Speaker 3: him home.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that would have been That would be
Speaker 2: so fucking cool. Yeah, but yeah, he's definitely gonna murder.
Speaker 2: I'm glad they got Joe. I'm really sad. Pam Tilden
Speaker 2: is dead, like obviously acab but not if you're the
Speaker 2: dog cop, like we like you a little more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you're trying to do.
Speaker 1: You're trying to kind of prosecute crimes that like no
Speaker 1: one even gets bad punishments for, like, yeah, you're just
Speaker 1: stopping dog rings and stuff. Jesus, all right, well, let's
Speaker 1: get into the true crime, because this is, uh, this
Speaker 1: is this is a lot of details from the real case.
Speaker 1: So I first wanted to say that A couple of
Speaker 1: sources said that this was also maybe based on Black Dahlia,
Speaker 1: But I think if you know anything about the Black
Speaker 1: Dahlia case, this is not really similar very much.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's a nude Black Dahlia movie coming out.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm like obsessed with the black You feel like
Speaker 1: I just watched a trailer.
Speaker 3: But I don't. There is the show I Am the
Speaker 3: Night or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's based on a podcast called it's called The Root
Speaker 1: of It's called Root of Evil this podcast, and it's
Speaker 1: really fascinating. I really loved listening to it about the
Speaker 1: Black Dahlias. So treat yourself to an episode of that
Speaker 1: after you're done here. But for now, I'm going to
Speaker 1: tell you guys about the Jason Massy case. Jason Massey
Speaker 1: was a Texan who you know. I feel like I
Speaker 1: just keep saying the same things over and over again.
Speaker 1: Grew up abused and neglected by his parents. Dad was
Speaker 1: an alcoholic, mom was a drug addict. I truly we
Speaker 1: need you know. This is a good reason why reproductive
Speaker 1: rights are important, because not everybody's meant to be parents.
Speaker 1: And he had a record, like we've said a million times,
Speaker 1: it started in his teens, including stalking and torturing animals.
Speaker 1: He would and you know, obviously if you've made it
Speaker 1: this far, trigger warning for animal abuse, but he would
Speaker 1: decapitate and mutilate dogs, cats, and cows and keep their
Speaker 1: skulls as trophies, like our friend Harry in this book,
Speaker 1: in this episode once one time, you know how you
Speaker 1: were saying, like Jesus, if that's your son's room, maybe
Speaker 1: you step in. One time, this kid's mom did have
Speaker 1: him committed after she found a journal, and in the
Speaker 1: journal he's talking all about rape, murder, Satan, his reverence
Speaker 1: for Charles Manson, how he wanted to become a serial killer.
Speaker 1: So she did have him committed for a little while,
Speaker 1: but you know, he got out and it didn't really
Speaker 1: do anything. He loved Ted Bundy, Henry Lee Lucas. He
Speaker 1: wanted he craved the attention that famous serial killers would get,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately the little stint in the mental institution did
Speaker 1: not do anything for him. He was twenty years old
Speaker 1: and he had had a flirtation with a thirteen year
Speaker 1: old girl named Christina Benjamin, and he told her to
Speaker 1: sneak out of her house and then he'd pick her up.
Speaker 1: And this is July twenty seventh of nineteen ninety three, okay,
Speaker 1: and he had recently gotten out of prison for animal cruelty.
Speaker 3: He had done like a short stint for animal cruelty.
Speaker 1: He picked up Chris and her fourteen year old step brother,
Speaker 1: Brian King, and he shot them both dead, and then yes,
Speaker 1: and then escalated quickly.
Speaker 3: Yes, very much so, and then very graphically.
Speaker 1: After he killed Christina, he cut off her head, her hands,
Speaker 1: her nipples, and he mutilated her genitals and removed her intestines.
Speaker 3: I think that might be the only.
Speaker 1: Link to Black Dollia, that the Black Dollia's intestines were
Speaker 1: also removed, but there's really not. She was also completely bisected,
Speaker 1: so it's a very different crime.
Speaker 3: He shot King.
Speaker 1: Caught in half, cut fully in half, like her body
Speaker 1: was found in two pieces.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yuck. He shot the boy.
Speaker 2: So he went on a date with this girl and
Speaker 2: then just shot her and her brother.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I mean.
Speaker 1: He did the nipples very ed gain, Yes, and he
Speaker 1: was obsessed with all these guys. He was obsessed with
Speaker 1: the serial killers. I think he thought, I'm gonna like
Speaker 1: there's more info about what was going on in his head.
Speaker 1: But he shot the brother twice. And the two teens
Speaker 1: had been missing now from their town, which was called Garrett,
Speaker 1: thirty miles southeast of Dallas. And then two days after
Speaker 1: they've gone missed, two days after the murder, their bodies
Speaker 1: were found in a field by a road worker and
Speaker 1: the body parts were missing, the head and the hands
Speaker 1: and everything. They were all missing and they've never been found.
Speaker 1: So a lot like what happened in this episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So they got Massy very quickly with forensics. I mean,
Speaker 1: he thinks he's this serial mastermind. He's no, you know,
Speaker 1: Michael Pitt. Okay, he gets arrested very quickly. In October
Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty four, he's found guilty of capital murder,
Speaker 1: which we touched on briefly last episode. It's basically first
Speaker 1: degree murder with special circumstances. It's killing more than one person,
Speaker 1: killing for financial gain, killing a police officer, firefighter, prosecutor,
Speaker 1: judged or or elected official, killing a witness to prevent
Speaker 1: their testimony, or a drive by shooting.
Speaker 3: With intent to kill.
Speaker 1: These are a few examples of the special circumstances. And
Speaker 1: it's called capital because it's only there's only two possible
Speaker 1: penalties capital punishment, the death penalty or a life in
Speaker 1: prison without the possibility of pearl.
Speaker 3: I can't believe it's for money. Yeah, like hitman, I
Speaker 3: guess would be. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: An expert testified at the sentencing that he was a
Speaker 1: long term threat to society and could not be rehabilitated.
Speaker 1: One of his classmates testified that he'd threatened her and
Speaker 1: then killed and mutilated her dog, smearing the blood on
Speaker 1: her car, just like what happens in the episode. Another
Speaker 1: witness testified that he was walking in the woods when
Speaker 1: he found a cooler, and inside the cooler were thirty
Speaker 1: one dog and cat's skulls, just like in the episode.
Speaker 1: There were also four of his journals which he had
Speaker 1: labeled Slayer's Book of Death, Volumes one through four, and
Speaker 1: in it he talks about becoming a great serial killer.
Speaker 3: So I think that's.
Speaker 1: Why he's doing all this cutting opening up bodies, because
Speaker 1: he's like thinks the gory or the better or something.
Speaker 1: But it was like, honestly, you I think the problem
Speaker 1: you didn't focus on enough was getting away with it,
Speaker 1: you know, like disposing of the or like you know,
Speaker 1: people probably knew that you were going on a date
Speaker 1: with this girl, like I don't know, they found him
Speaker 1: very fast. There's so little information about this case online too,
Speaker 1: like articles from Australia, Like it's so crazy, you know,
Speaker 1: Australia randomly will be like here's a lot about this
Speaker 1: American crime that happened anyway, kind of like what happened
Speaker 1: with Cleoconrad.
Speaker 3: With Paletti.
Speaker 1: In the episode, the prosecutors are really trying to use
Speaker 1: his journals in court, and I think they ended up
Speaker 1: getting them admitted. They heavily relied on them, but the
Speaker 1: defense also tried to point out passages in the journals
Speaker 1: where he talked about being sexually abused by a babysitter
Speaker 1: when he was around five and his physical abuse from
Speaker 1: his parents which started around age two, So they tried
Speaker 1: to use that, but the defense also put his sister
Speaker 1: on the stand to confirm like the difficult childhood. But
Speaker 1: then the prosecution just was like, wait, so are you
Speaker 1: a murderer? Are you alive adding citizen, and she was
Speaker 1: like yes, and so it kind of backfired on them,
Speaker 1: and then the jury took fifteen minutes to give him
Speaker 1: the death penalty and he got guess what, he got
Speaker 1: to be on Texas's death row with his hero, Henry
Speaker 1: Lee Lucas, who was a huge serial who's like one
Speaker 1: of the most I think we've talked about him before,
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but he was known as the confession Killer.
Speaker 1: He falsely confessed to approximately six hundred murders, but he
Speaker 1: was convicted of three murders in the that he committed
Speaker 1: between like the sixties and nineteen eighty three. So he
Speaker 1: got to be on death row there in Texas with
Speaker 1: his with his idol. He was executed by lethal injection
Speaker 1: on April third of two thousand and one, eight years
Speaker 1: after the.
Speaker 3: Murders, which is so crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's because it's Texas, I'm sure, but like
Speaker 1: we hear all the time about these guys that have
Speaker 1: been on death row for like thirty years, but they
Speaker 1: got this guy in eight years.
Speaker 3: I don't think he probably appealed or had the money.
Speaker 1: Our resources to like, yeah, feely, that's probably true.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Before his execution, he addressed the victims family, saying, I
Speaker 1: can't imagine what I've taken from you.
Speaker 3: I want you to know I did do it.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for what I've done, And then while he
Speaker 1: was strapped to the gurney, he said, I want you
Speaker 1: to know that Christina did not suffer as much as
Speaker 1: you think she did. I mean, I think at least
Speaker 1: the saving grace in this whole thing is that he
Speaker 1: just shot these people quickly and they probably died very
Speaker 1: quickly and didn't have to they weren't tortured while they
Speaker 1: were alive. He said, I know you guys want to
Speaker 1: know where the rest of her remains are. I put
Speaker 1: the remains in the Trinity River, but the parts were
Speaker 1: never recovered, like I said, And no one really believed
Speaker 1: him because they're like, naw, dog, you keep trophies, like
Speaker 1: we know you keep trophies.
Speaker 3: They think that those body parts.
Speaker 1: Are buried somewhere because he would have wanted to like
Speaker 1: go revisit them at some point. And sometimes, I know,
Speaker 1: we think this is interesting. But his last meal was
Speaker 1: three fried chicken quarters, fried squash, fried eggplant, mashed potatoes,
Speaker 1: snap peas, boiled cabbage, three bits of corn on the
Speaker 1: cob with spinach, broccoli, and butter, and one pint of
Speaker 1: ice cream and a pitcher of sweet tea. So he
Speaker 1: had quite a feast at the end. But it's it's
Speaker 1: wild vegetables. I feel like this guy was sabage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, you're getting cabbage, boiled cabbage. I know. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean this guy though, there's so little about him
Speaker 1: because I feel like what they basically stopped a serial
Speaker 1: killer after his first two kills, like he would have
Speaker 1: absolutely done more. And it's like you said, the animal
Speaker 1: abuse cannot be ignored. That's not just like people kids
Speaker 1: being curious, Like that's really really not good. But maybe
Speaker 1: because he committed these crimes in the nineties and forensics
Speaker 1: were better, like I think a lot of the serial
Speaker 1: killers we hear about her from like sixty seventies eighties,
Speaker 1: where forensics weren't up, and so they were able to
Speaker 1: kill for like years, you know, and have dozens of
Speaker 1: victims before they got caught. With this guy, this Jason
Speaker 1: Massey guy got caught quickly and that's that's the basis
Speaker 1: of Harry.
Speaker 2: We need Harry to come back. Yeah, we need Harry
Speaker 2: back on SVU. I think that would be cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to be like we knew this kid when he
Speaker 1: was young, We knew he was going to do something,
Speaker 1: and then they find out. Yeah, let's write it. Let's
Speaker 1: write it spec but let's get into our post mortem
Speaker 1: because no guest today, just us.
Speaker 3: We're so in the time machine.
Speaker 2: But like Spotify raps, you know, that was like fun
Speaker 2: to be in people's stuff. Oh yes, yes, like you
Speaker 2: guys listening and it feels great and we're usually in
Speaker 2: good company. I feel like the other podcasts in the
Speaker 2: top listens with our listeners are always like people I enjoy.
Speaker 2: So that makes me feel good too, Like you're all
Speaker 2: listening to a lass cultureisas Yes.
Speaker 1: For sure, Thank you guys so much for listening so
Speaker 1: much and get it and then posting your raps.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: I like love seeing all the little the raps and
Speaker 1: what everybody else is listening to. And it's so funny too.
Speaker 1: Sometimes there are people that listened to like all podcasts
Speaker 1: in Portuguese and then like our podcast you know, or
Speaker 1: like they only listen podcast about like business or like
Speaker 1: law school and then us, you know which I like
Speaker 1: to I like to see what people are. We're the
Speaker 1: we're the weird one kind of or we're the funny one.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was a good one.
Speaker 2: I make say abby, But I guess Spotify like fired
Speaker 2: everyone and it's not like I guess it's AI.
Speaker 1: It's all a that's what I just heard too. I
Speaker 1: was like, someone's like, oh, yeah, that's why. That's why
Speaker 1: the Spotify wrapped was AI this year, and I go,
Speaker 1: I was wondering why it was a little bit more.
Speaker 2: What wasn't because I'm not on Spotify, so I was curious,
Speaker 2: like what's better, what's worse?
Speaker 1: It just wasn't as easy to use as last year.
Speaker 1: Like last year there were these like cool things that
Speaker 1: were like this is how many hours? I mean like
Speaker 1: that's still there, but it wasn't like as easily shareable
Speaker 1: the little pieces of it and like there was more info.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just not as good and it's
Speaker 1: not it's not as good looking either, like it's been
Speaker 1: better looking. And I think they just had an AI do
Speaker 1: it because they got rid of everybody and so they
Speaker 1: can pay Joe Rogan.
Speaker 2: I'm like nervous, how shitty everything is going to be,
Speaker 2: Like why do you want all your art? Like anyone
Speaker 2: into AI. It's like so strange and obviously weird. There's
Speaker 2: like places where AI is gonna make the world better,
Speaker 2: like I do want. I'm not, you know, just because
Speaker 2: I it's not for what I want, but like it
Speaker 2: just I don't know what's the point of being alive
Speaker 2: if there's not art, Like I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I know, like and people keep posting stuff that like
Speaker 1: they're googling and they're getting these like really creepy results
Speaker 1: of like little weird like extra hands and things in
Speaker 1: the background. I was I accidentally posted it to That's
Speaker 1: messed up, so it was up there for like twenty
Speaker 1: minutes because I thought I was posting it to my
Speaker 1: own account. But it was like in my Explore page
Speaker 1: was just this video or when I was scrolling just
Speaker 1: this video of John Goodman dancing in the rain to
Speaker 1: JoJo's too little, too late and doing like all these
Speaker 1: like hair movements, like where he's like grabbing his hair
Speaker 1: and he's in the rain, but it's not John Goodman.
Speaker 1: It's like a really creepy AI and every time he
Speaker 1: turns around, the body looks really weird. It's like Uncanny
Speaker 1: Valley and creepy. But it's like, at first it was
Speaker 1: funny because I was like, oh, this is like it's
Speaker 1: John Goodman looking like a pop star. But then it
Speaker 1: was really creepy, so I don't know, I can see
Speaker 1: why it hooks people in, and then.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, I don't like this anymore. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going anywhere good.
Speaker 1: But I do think it's good if AI helps us
Speaker 1: like detect cancer faster or whatever they're saying it's going
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 3: Just not in art, like not in media, you know.
Speaker 2: No, or like for people to be fire like they
Speaker 2: the business people, they just don't care about They don't
Speaker 2: think about the things that truly make life worth living
Speaker 2: and looking at I don't know.
Speaker 1: No, because they're all tech companies now and they only
Speaker 1: care about their quarterly reports.
Speaker 3: Like that's just the that's just the fact. Baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but yeah, this episode Prodigy, I mean, I.
Speaker 3: Mean my one of my bak so good.
Speaker 2: We're like in a stretch of like doing such fun episodes.
Speaker 2: I mean they're all good, but like there's something about
Speaker 2: those classic ones that are suspensable layered and the red
Speaker 2: hairring and this red haring lasted throughout the whole episode.
Speaker 2: I felt like, you know, yes, but like till the hand.
Speaker 1: You didn't really know. And he's gonna commit a crime
Speaker 1: and he's definitely gonna come at a crime and hopefully
Speaker 1: it will be like the real life crime where they
Speaker 1: got him after the first one.
Speaker 3: He might kill his mother.
Speaker 1: He might kill his mother, seriously, like that's very possible,
Speaker 1: very possible. Like they're living in that little house on
Speaker 1: top of each other. I don't I don't think she's
Speaker 1: along for this world, the mom, and she's even like
Speaker 1: she was she's even creeped out by her son. After
Speaker 1: he was saying all that stuff. She had to get
Speaker 1: out of the interior gation room. She's like, get me
Speaker 1: away from this kid. So I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the relationship looks like going forward, but that
Speaker 1: kid is creepy and like, I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, you fuck you fucked on the couch
Speaker 1: near him, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You should have invested
Speaker 1: in a door, just a door. You could have found
Speaker 1: a door. That would have been great. The beaded curtain
Speaker 1: has a lot, it has a lot of blame here.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this the real crime. Oh so awful. But
Speaker 1: like I'm so glad they caught this, like wanna be
Speaker 1: serial killer, but like after his first one, you know, wait.
Speaker 3: For some reason. You know.
Speaker 2: I just got back from Cincinnati. So I don't think
Speaker 2: I told you what happened on my flight, but I
Speaker 2: feel maybe it's because I've been talking about it so
Speaker 2: much and we've been doing these and recording, and I
Speaker 2: thought I mentioned it, but I told you I got
Speaker 2: to go in the cockpit and stuff or not at all. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is what. So I'm on the plane a Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: It's a small plane and usually when a flight slayed,
Speaker 2: we were waiting for crews. So there was like two
Speaker 2: pilots who had to get on our flight to go somewhere.
Speaker 2: So they're like, we're delayed a half hour, and usually
Speaker 2: they tell you not to move, but this pilot was like,
Speaker 2: and if you want to come check out the cockpit
Speaker 2: and take some photos or anything, come on down.
Speaker 3: I obviously I'm the first in line. No one is moving.
Speaker 2: I'm like, run to the front and I to sit.
Speaker 2: I got to press the button to make like an
Speaker 2: announcement noise. They kept telling me which buttons I could press.
Speaker 2: I asked all these questions. I sat next to the
Speaker 2: co pilot, but it was like, you know, I've been
Speaker 2: trying to dress better at the airport and for this flight,
Speaker 2: I go, ah, whatever, I don't care. And then I
Speaker 2: was like, I can't believe it, Like this is where
Speaker 2: I could have had cool photos, but I look, I'm
Speaker 2: wearing my giant Incubus shirt.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I got photos.
Speaker 2: I got wings given to me, and a trading card
Speaker 2: and I a Grammic trading card that every plane is
Speaker 2: supposed to have. So now when I'm on different planes,
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask for trading cards from the pilots
Speaker 2: and see how many I can collect. But then I
Speaker 2: turned around and the person behind me in line was
Speaker 2: maybe two years old, so it was like me, then
Speaker 2: a child with a mother, and then three like.
Speaker 3: College daye people. It felt like that were sitting in
Speaker 3: the back.
Speaker 1: But look, I got to sit in the cockpit and
Speaker 1: it was really exciting.
Speaker 3: That's so awesome.
Speaker 1: I not as exciting, but I did take Rosie to
Speaker 1: a firehouse over last weekend. Because it was a activity
Speaker 1: for CUB Scouts and so we like these guys gave
Speaker 1: us like a whole presentation, like a guy got his
Speaker 1: gear on as quick as possible, like to show how
Speaker 1: fast he can get all this shit on, like oxygen
Speaker 1: tank everything. They were telling us that, like the fire
Speaker 1: truck always goes out with the ambulance, even if it's
Speaker 1: just cardiac arrest, because it carries more guys with them
Speaker 1: because it might require a lot of guys and they
Speaker 1: can't like all fit in the ambulance. So that's why
Speaker 1: like you'll see a fire truck because they said nationwide.
Speaker 1: I asked this question. I was like, how often are
Speaker 1: you guys like you know? I said, you guys did
Speaker 1: actually take U help me when my son was locked
Speaker 1: in the car as a newborn. The fire department did
Speaker 1: come within minutes, and it was amazing, like how many
Speaker 1: calls are non fire related? And he was like like
Speaker 1: ninety percent, Like the fire Department's going to like ninety
Speaker 1: percent of calls that are Like they got a call
Speaker 1: while we were there, and when they came back, we
Speaker 1: were like what happened? They were like, well, that was
Speaker 1: one of those calls where it shouldn't have been a call.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't have been like it was somebody that had
Speaker 1: leg pains, like and they shouldn't have sent like a
Speaker 1: full you know, like they just needed to go to
Speaker 1: like an urgent care a doctor or something like that.
Speaker 1: And but they were telling us that they got rid
Speaker 1: of like a lot of new firehouses don't have poles
Speaker 1: anymore because firefighters kept hurting themselves, like they kept getting injured,
Speaker 1: like yeah, broke like ankle, twisted ankles and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So around down the stairs. What do they do now?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess now they lived on they run
Speaker 1: on the stairs or like it's not yeah, but they
Speaker 1: were like a lot of them. They're like like our
Speaker 1: main firehouse still has a pole, but they're phasing them
Speaker 1: out of a lot of them because of like coating
Speaker 1: and stuff and like because of injuries.
Speaker 3: But it was cute.
Speaker 1: There was like a whole lazy boy area where there
Speaker 1: was all these lazy boys and all the kids were
Speaker 1: like sitting in the la school or a commune comp
Speaker 1: scouting okay, cub Scouts, Yeah, it was it's Rosi's Cub
Speaker 1: Scout troop. Because one of the kids in her Cub
Speaker 1: Scout troop. The cousin is on the is on the
Speaker 1: four So like he gave us like a personal like
Speaker 1: tour of you see you see all their rooms where
Speaker 1: they sleep. I was like saying to my friend, I
Speaker 1: go to you watch Sex and the City, Like, do
Speaker 1: you remember when Samantha hooked up with the firefighter? Like
Speaker 1: this is It was reminding me so much of that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was so I got to talk about
Speaker 1: fire trucks, so you got to talk about planes.
Speaker 3: We had a real time with planes and trains. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and we were, you know, four year old boys.
Speaker 1: We yeah, would be out of this world having the
Speaker 1: best time of our lives. But let's move on to
Speaker 1: what would Sister Peg do for this episode this week?
Speaker 3: You know what what was Sister Peg do is where
Speaker 3: we just like to give you.
Speaker 1: Resources that like touch on the issues that we talked
Speaker 1: about in today's episode. And I feel like the poor
Speaker 1: victim in the episode, Prodigy would like us to shout
Speaker 1: out the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals,
Speaker 1: which is the ASPCA. This organization has led the way
Speaker 1: in fighting cruelty, rescuing, and securing adoptions for animals in
Speaker 1: need and driving significant legislative change that protects their lives
Speaker 1: and welfare, ultimately transforming how Americans value and care for animals,
Speaker 1: because I know we were both shocked that this episode
Speaker 1: is that there's barely any punishment for abusing animals, so
Speaker 1: I'm sure this organization is working on legislation to reverse
Speaker 1: that or to make that better. If you'd like to
Speaker 1: report animal abuse or donate to the foundation, visit ASPCA
Speaker 1: dot org and that will be posted in a story
Speaker 1: the day this episode comes out and Saved Forever in
Speaker 1: our WWSPD highlights.
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