1 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: The software that lets you drag and drop just about 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: anything onto your iPhone. What's going on on, rich Demiro, 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: this is rich On Tech in the show today, we're 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: going to talk about some really cool software that kind 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: of makes your iPhone much easier to use because you 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: can literally drag and drop any file from your computer 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: onto your phone. Do some cool stuff there with ringtones 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: as well. Let me bring on Josh Brown. He works 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: with soft a Reno. This is a cool company that 10 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: makes this software. Josh, thanks so much for joining me. 11 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: Hi, Rich, Hi, everybody, thank you for having me. 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: Marketing director of soft a Reno. You're the guy that 13 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: when you download some software from you guys, your face 14 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: pops up in a little video. 15 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: Exactly exactly and may be annoying to somebody because you know, 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: you're not used to seeing a face when you're loading 17 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: up an app. But this was our little, little revolutionary 18 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: way of trying to communicate with the audience that uses 19 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: our apps. We try to have an onboarding video to 20 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: walk you through teach you how to use the product, 21 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: even though it's very simple, but be trying to have 22 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: our own little stamp there. 23 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's pretty smart because most of the time 24 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: when I download software, there's like, you know, maybe some 25 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: overlays on the screen. 26 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 3: What does everyone do? 27 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: They immediately click through all those overlays, don't read any 28 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: of them, and then all of a sudden you're like, wait, 29 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: now how do I use this? So by you giving 30 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: that one minute two minute intro, you kind of explain, Hey, 31 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: here's what you can do with this software, here's how 32 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: you use it. So let's talk about the first piece 33 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: of software that I've been using for a while. It's 34 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: called Walter two. And they had, you know, they had 35 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: the original one W A L. 36 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 3: T R. 37 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: And what this does is it's kind of like the 38 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: missing link between your computer and your iPhone. Imagine how 39 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: tough it is to sync your iPhone with iTunes. If 40 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: I told you, hey, can you put this book on 41 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 1: your iPhone? You wouldn't know how to do that, right 42 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: if you actually had that file on your computer. Well, 43 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: with this software, you literally just drag and drop almost 44 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: any file onto the software and it will magically appear 45 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: on your phone, and not just on your phone, but 46 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: in the proper place. So josh Am I explaining that properly. 47 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: That's fully correct. What we tried to create was a 48 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: simple drop zone that will allow you to just drag 49 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: and drop any file in any format without you having 50 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: to think what format is supposed to be in where 51 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: it's supposed to be, you know, placed. We just want 52 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: you to drag and drop a file and it's going 53 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: to appear on your device as if, you know, as 54 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 2: if it was an Android device. Because a lot of 55 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 2: people are used to Android phones where they have folders 56 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 2: where you can just drag and drop files into a 57 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: folder and it will appear on the device, we kind 58 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: of kind of wanted to have that here, but we 59 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: try to add a little Apple touch to it, where 60 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: we create a simple, beautiful interface that will allow even 61 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: you know, anybody like even a granty can you use it. 62 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: That's a little slogan. You know, even your mom, your 63 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: your your brother, your dad, anybody who has no technology, 64 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 2: they can open up Walter and Dragons Draft Dragon drop 65 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,399 Speaker 2: stuff on their iPhone. It will appear there. 66 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: And this works with music, so you can, you know, 67 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: if you have some MP three's, you can just throw 68 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: them in there. It works with ring tones, It works 69 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: with videos and not just videos. You know the thing 70 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: about the iPhone is that it likes things in very 71 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: specific formats, but you can literally drag and drop a 72 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: video in like any format. It will figure that out. 73 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: You can do PDFs, epub files, which are the books 74 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: I was talking about. And this all again works without iTunes. 75 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: In fact, you know that's part of the process is 76 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: that you want iTunes closed. 77 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 3: I believe right? Is that do you guys say to 78 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 3: close its? 79 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: Yes, we don't want you to open up iTunes so 80 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: it doesn't interfere with Walter. We do allow you to 81 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: transfer stuff over Wi Fi as well, so you can 82 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: just you don't have to. It's a cordless experience. You 83 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: only have to launch iTunes wants to enable Wi Fi 84 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: for your device, but after that you don't have to 85 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: keep it open and you can drag and drop files 86 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: into your phone over Wi Fi and the beauty of 87 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: wald One second, you mentioned video files, which which is 88 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: really important. A lot of people they have to convert 89 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: various formats to make them compatible with iPhone and that's 90 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: what keeps it confusing. That's why a lot of people 91 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: want to avoid it and avoid like Dragon, transferring any file, 92 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: any video file into their iPhone. Walter. It takes the 93 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: file you have it figures out which format it's supposed 94 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: to convert to, converts it under the hood. You don't 95 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: even know what's going on. 96 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: Under the hood. 97 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: We take care of everything for it, and we transfer 98 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: it into your device into the proper place, into the 99 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: native TV app that Apple created, which is also a 100 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: good advantage because a lot of people may use external 101 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 2: video players music players on their phone, but Apple actually 102 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: optimized for battery efficiency their own apps, so it's better 103 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: to use native video and music players because they save 104 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 2: battery life, and we try to do that with our program. 105 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: And by the way, all the stuff that you just 106 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: talked about happens really fast, so when you drag and drop, 107 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: it's not like you see this big, huge progress bar 108 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: of converting some file. It all happens sort of in 109 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: the background. You just see it as Okay, I'm dragging 110 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: this into this drop zone, and next thing you know, 111 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: it's on my phone. And I've done this with my 112 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: kids because it's a lot easier than trying to sink 113 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff with iTunes. Like my kid 114 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: wants some old videos, you know, home movies that we 115 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: had of him as a kid, and I just literally 116 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: dragged and dropped those on there. 117 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 3: I didn't care what format. 118 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: I was just going through today and looking at some 119 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: of these things, and I have been like some of 120 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: these crazy formats you were talking about, like three GP, 121 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: like remember that one that's like a that was like 122 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: a tiny like one. Yeah, it was like a one 123 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: megabyte file or something like that. Yeah, just throw it 124 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: on there, it will figure it out. Mk V a 125 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: v I m P four m O V MPEG, M 126 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: two t S. I don't even know what that one is. 127 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 2: W m V a DVD format, M M two t 128 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: S is a DVD form. So if you have a 129 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: DVD that you want to rip and you want to 130 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: transferred to your device or to your iPad, for example, 131 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: maybe like your your wedding on a DVD. That's what 132 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: a lot of people have. You know, you can put 133 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: it on your iPad and you can show it to 134 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: your family. 135 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: Once again, why is Walter Too not in the MacApp 136 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: Store and why I'm just imagining that Apple does not like. 137 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: What you're doing. 138 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 2: Let me let me be honest with you. They do 139 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: like our software, and uh they do use our absolutely 140 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: see like users from Apple, and we've seen we've had 141 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: customers that were recommended to use our product by some 142 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: Apple representatives. 143 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: Uh. 144 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: Maybe at an Apple store when the customer comes in 145 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 2: they tell you that, you know, the iTunes sucks, let 146 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 2: me put on some stuff on iPhone. They try to 147 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: recommend different solutions. 148 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: Uh. 149 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: But the reason that it's not on the App Store 150 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: is because they have guidelines. They have rules, and we 151 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: are our product is too smart in terms of uh, 152 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: you know, side stepping iTunes. We we I'm not going 153 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: to get into all the tech you details, but we 154 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: did reverse how iTunes work. We figured out how Apple 155 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 2: uses iTunes to put stuff to sink your device, and 156 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: we took all the all the good stuff, took all 157 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 2: the transferring stuff, We improved it, and we created our 158 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: own product with a lot of different things on top 159 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 2: of converter conversion, with book support, with Wi Fi and 160 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 2: all that stuff. So it's not on there because it 161 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,679 Speaker 2: doesn't comply with the rules that that iTunes the Apple 162 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: Store needs for your app to have. 163 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, when someone sees 164 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: something like this, it is it is kind of funny 165 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: because Apple has built this kind of walled garden. Obviously 166 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: they'd like you to download everything from them and get 167 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: all the ring tones and all that stuff from them. 168 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: But the reality is the way that computers have been 169 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: in the past was never like that. Like everyone, you know, 170 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: if you you know, if you had an MP three 171 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: player back in the day before the iPod, it was 172 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: like super simple. You just drag and drop, you know, 173 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: from a Windows interface onto that device or a flash drive. 174 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: Think about how that works. But the iPhone is really 175 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: this giant hard drive that's almost like inaccessible to the 176 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: average user in a simple. 177 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: Way, exactly exactly, especially for people that are moving from 178 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: Android to iPhone. I think Apple has like a whole 179 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: landing page where they try to walk you through and 180 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: they tell you that it's so easy to move from 181 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 2: an Android device to an iPhone, And that's what I heard. 182 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: I heard a lot of arguments from people that won't 183 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: move to an iPhone just because they can't have the 184 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: freedom of moving files to their phone. And our product 185 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: is actually that you know, that painkiller, that solution. It 186 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: allows you to just drag and drop stuff as you're 187 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: used to on an Andrew device. And let me just 188 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: add one more thing you're probably wondering, like what Walter 189 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: is w altr Walter the name It was released in 190 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, and the name was inspired by Walter White 191 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: from Breaking Bad back in the day. It was a huge, 192 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: huge TV show that's popular, and that's that's why we 193 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: we named it Walter ah nice. 194 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: Now we know the name. That's a little bit of trivia. 195 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: If you guys ever make it a jeopardy as an answer. Now, 196 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: if you're listening to this podcast, you will know the 197 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: question for that one. So Walter forty bucks. You can 198 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: download it from the website softter Reno. So that's that's 199 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: a great app and it's just kind of a great 200 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: tool to have in your toolkit if you're a Mac user, 201 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: even Windows users. 202 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 3: It works with Windows as well. 203 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: It's just one of those apps that's kind of like 204 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: it comes in handy and it's really nice and it's 205 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: so simple that you will not believe once you try it, 206 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: you will just not believe. 207 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: Do you give like a free trial or anything with. 208 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 2: That, Yes, we do. It's a completely free download. You 209 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: download it for free and you can use it for 210 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: an entire day without having to pay. Like there's no restrictions. 211 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: There's no limitations except for having a day to use it. 212 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: So you can if you're really in need of transferring files, 213 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: you can use the free version. You don't have to 214 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: buy it. 215 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, there you are, and you'll be the hero at work. 216 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: If you work somewhere and they're like, oh my gosh, 217 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: we got to get all these things on an iPhone 218 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: for a presentation tomorrow or whatever. The executive and you're like, oh, 219 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: I heard this on the podcast. I know exactly how 220 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: we can do that very easily, especially if they're in 221 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: some weird, like weird file formats that these people have created. 222 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: If you need a convenient tool for your iPhone, it's 223 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: kind of like the tool that is not included with 224 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: your iPhone if you gave me a choice between iTunes. 225 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think most people like to disable the 226 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: auto open of iTunes when they plug their iPhone into 227 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: their computer. If you're at all tech savvy, that's pretty 228 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: much the first thing. 229 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: You turn off, right, Yes, yes, exactly, all right. 230 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: Josh Brown of soft Reno, thanks so much for joining 231 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: me on the podcast today. How can folks get in 232 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: touch with the software that we talked about here? 233 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: Oh, you can find us at softerreno dot com. That's 234 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: s O F T O R I N O dot com. 235 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: It's free to download, free to try, and if you 236 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: like it you can buy it. 237 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: All right, thank you for having me all right, thanks 238 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: for being on the show. Josh Brown a soft reno. 239 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: Appreciate it. And if you want links to all the 240 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: apps I just talked about, go to my website. It 241 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: is rich on tech dot tv, or you can check 242 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: the show notes. Thanks so much for listening. 243 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 3: I'm Rich Damiro. I'll talk to you real soon.