WEBVTT - Who Invented the Dunce Cap? (And Other Unusual School Supplies)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Part Time Genius, the production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess what, Mango? What's that?

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<v Speaker 1>Will?

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<v Speaker 2>All right?

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<v Speaker 3>I know I brought these glue bottles into the studio

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<v Speaker 3>here and that we have put what do you think

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe we're on our fifth round of spreading it on

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<v Speaker 3>our hands and peeling it off.

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<v Speaker 1>Just because it's so much fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, it's so fun. But there's actually a

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<v Speaker 3>reason that I do this. I do this in classrooms

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<v Speaker 3>now because I'm here to prove a point. I actually

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<v Speaker 3>need you to know that the glue that kids use

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<v Speaker 3>in schools, it's not really.

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<v Speaker 1>Glue at all. What do you mean by that?

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<v Speaker 3>It's a misnomer. And when I say misnomer to the kids,

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<v Speaker 3>they looked at me puzzled. But they need to know

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<v Speaker 3>what the word misnomer means as well. But true glue

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<v Speaker 3>is derived from natural materials like animal byproducts, plant resins,

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<v Speaker 3>and since school glue like Elmer's, is actually made from

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<v Speaker 3>synthetic materials, that technically makes it an adhesive. This is

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<v Speaker 3>a very very important point.

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<v Speaker 1>Man. I loved the idea of you just like stomping

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<v Speaker 1>around the second grade classrooms yelling stop putting that adheseve

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<v Speaker 1>in your mouth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know how much I

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<v Speaker 3>travel these days, and so I try to make it

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<v Speaker 3>a point by stopping by at least two or three

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<v Speaker 3>classrooms to make this point. But sure, I mean nearly

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<v Speaker 3>every example prior to twentieth century was all natural, like

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<v Speaker 3>tree sap, beeswax, egg whites.

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<v Speaker 2>Animal blood.

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<v Speaker 3>Then in fact, the very first commercial glue company in

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<v Speaker 3>the UK made their glue from fish by products from

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<v Speaker 3>sturgeons to be specific.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine what this felt like?

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<v Speaker 1>So I actually remember Salvador Dali made this homemade cologne

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<v Speaker 1>for his wife and it was out of like glue

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<v Speaker 1>and fish parts. But you know, if you'd use that

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<v Speaker 1>UK glue instead, like he could have saved himself. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a glue life hack.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it totally is, and would have felt so good

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<v Speaker 3>to like peel it off your neck.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think I'm gonna go another round here.

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<v Speaker 3>But it wasn't just in the UK, like fish glue

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<v Speaker 3>was the norm in the US too, and at least

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<v Speaker 3>until Elmer's Glue all hit the market in the late

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen forties. Now, at that time, the Elmer's brand also

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<v Speaker 3>used natural ingredients in the glue, but the kind of

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<v Speaker 3>use were far less smelly than the sturgeon so Elmer's

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<v Speaker 3>glue all was originally produced by the Borden Company, which

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<v Speaker 3>you know is in the dairy business, and one of

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<v Speaker 3>the main ingredients in the early form of the glue

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<v Speaker 3>was casein, which you probably know is this protein found

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<v Speaker 3>in dairy milk and something the Bordon Company obviously had

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty interesting. So are there any advantages to using

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<v Speaker 1>casin over something like fish parts?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, definitely the improved smell, not surprisingly, but case and

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<v Speaker 3>glue also spread more easily at dried clear much easier

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<v Speaker 3>to wash out. So if you think about, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>kids using it, that was really important. But despite all

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<v Speaker 3>of these improvements, for some reason, they're packaging left much

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<v Speaker 3>to be desired. Like the glue was originally sold in

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<v Speaker 3>this glass bottle, which you know was getting broken all

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<v Speaker 3>the time with kids handling, and it came with this

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<v Speaker 3>separate wooden applic that was attached to the side of

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<v Speaker 3>the bottle with just a rubber band, and so it

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<v Speaker 3>was frequently going missing.

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<v Speaker 2>And so when school.

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<v Speaker 3>Kids across the country started investing in this stuff, that's

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<v Speaker 3>when Borden decided to wise up and they now adopted

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<v Speaker 3>this This what we think of is this very classic

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<v Speaker 3>white plastic bottle and has the orange dispenser tip on

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<v Speaker 3>the top.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know me and you know I love glue knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>But what is it that means you want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about glue today?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you really are some kind of an expert on this.

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<v Speaker 3>But I wanted to talk about school back in September.

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<v Speaker 3>But as everybody knows, we've all been a bit busy

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<v Speaker 3>around here. But since our kids are firmly back in school,

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<v Speaker 3>no vacation in sight, I thought it'd be fun to

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<v Speaker 3>explore some of the weird origin stories behind school supplies

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<v Speaker 3>and a few other things you might find in the classroom.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's time to bust out your protractor. Lock in

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<v Speaker 3>that retainer because class is back in session. Right Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>the podcast listeners, Welcome to Part Time Genius. I'm Will

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<v Speaker 3>Pearson and as always I'm joined by my good friend

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<v Speaker 3>mangesh Hot ticketter on the other side of that soundproof glass,

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<v Speaker 3>jotting down some notes in his Lisa Frank notebook.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so jealous of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Our friend and producer Loel Burlante check it out mega,

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's just this smiling panda writing on top of

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<v Speaker 3>a smiling dolphin, and they're both eating these rainbow colored

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<v Speaker 3>ice cream cones, which also seems to somehow be smiling.

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<v Speaker 1>The moll finds the best stuff. It's incredible, and now

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<v Speaker 1>I'm smiling.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I am glad that you kicked this off talking about glue,

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<v Speaker 1>because it makes it less weird that now I want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about backpacks. So these days, the first backpack

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<v Speaker 1>that most people own is a school backpack, but that

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't always been the case. So prior to the mid

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth century, most American students either carried their books to

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<v Speaker 1>class by hand, or else they wrapped a leather belt

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<v Speaker 1>or cloth strap around the books and then kind of

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<v Speaker 1>slung that over their shoulder. And a few students did

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<v Speaker 1>use small briefcase style satchels to carry their stuff to class,

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<v Speaker 1>but for the most part, students really went backless and

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<v Speaker 1>stuck with these trusty book straps instead.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so weird to think about a world without backpacks, like,

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<v Speaker 3>especially since you're saying it wasn't all that long ago.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, no one really thought about wearing a bag

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<v Speaker 3>on your back before the twentieth century.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really understand that.

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<v Speaker 1>So, I mean, rocksacks were I guess a thing before that,

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<v Speaker 1>and there were basically the drawstring bags that you slung

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<v Speaker 1>over your shoulder, but these zippered bags with dual straps

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<v Speaker 1>like that didn't come along until nineteen thirty eight. And

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<v Speaker 1>that was the year when a mountaineer named Jerry Cunningham

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<v Speaker 1>invented the first ever zippered backpack out of canvas cloth

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<v Speaker 1>and mostly you did this because he didn't like the

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<v Speaker 1>way traditional rocksacks slid around on his back when he

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<v Speaker 1>was climbing. So Jerry's design was a big hit with

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<v Speaker 1>hikers and campers and people like that, real outdoorsman. But

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<v Speaker 1>actually it would take another thirty years before his invention

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<v Speaker 1>would finally make its way off the trail and into

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<v Speaker 1>the classroom.

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<v Speaker 2>Again.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's hard to believe it would take this

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<v Speaker 3>long to realize that there was a market for these

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<v Speaker 3>beyond just mountaineers. So was it Jerry's idea to bring

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<v Speaker 3>it into the classroom as well?

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<v Speaker 1>No, not exactly. I mean, he did keep playing with

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<v Speaker 1>his backpack. He made the first nylon backpack in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty seven, and his designs were mostly for outdoor living.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's actually that company, JanSport. Did you have a

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<v Speaker 1>Janzport growing up?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh totally, yeah, that's multiple danceports despite the like lifetime guarantee.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I probably had three different jans Pots.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we had between JanSport and LB, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had so many backpacks and they all had like life

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<v Speaker 1>lifetime guarantees, and I went through all of them. So

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<v Speaker 1>he designed this teardrop design and JanSport tweaked it a

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<v Speaker 1>little and they used it to win over students. But

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<v Speaker 1>that even makes it sound like a little more intentional

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<v Speaker 1>than it was. So the University of Washington had this

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<v Speaker 1>small sports shop inside their campus bookstore because so many

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<v Speaker 1>kids in their we're into climbing and hiking and whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and so in nineteen sixty nine the shop began stalking

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<v Speaker 1>jan Sports new lightweight nylon backpack mainly is used as

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<v Speaker 1>like a day pack for these hikes, and when students

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<v Speaker 1>realized the bags were perfect for keeping books and supplies,

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<v Speaker 1>and it really took off.

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<v Speaker 3>It's funny because a pretty similar thing happened with lunch boxes,

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<v Speaker 3>which was another surprisingly recent addition to the school supply.

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<v Speaker 1>Cannon, which is I guess people didn't want their sandwiches

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<v Speaker 1>wet for lunch.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you want your sandwiches wet, that's

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<v Speaker 3>so nasty. Kids were mostly just improvising, you know, through

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<v Speaker 3>the mid twentieth century or so, they'd use an old

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<v Speaker 3>cookie tin or a tobacco tin they had lying around somewhere,

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<v Speaker 3>And so it wasn't until the late nineteenth century that

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<v Speaker 3>dedicated lunch pails finally arrived on the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>I always think that word lunch pails is so funny,

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<v Speaker 1>like the idea of carrying around a bucket full of food.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they kind of were.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the original lunch pails for these small metal buckets,

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<v Speaker 3>except they did come with lids, and later versions took

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<v Speaker 3>on more of a like a toolbox or bread basket shape,

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<v Speaker 3>and they featured these clasps so you could keep the

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<v Speaker 3>lid shut when you carry them around, which is the

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<v Speaker 3>kind of lunchbox men took to work in the early

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<v Speaker 3>twentieth century. You can kind of visualize those images we've seen,

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<v Speaker 3>and pretty soon their children followed suit at school.

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<v Speaker 1>So when did these bright colors and the cartoon characters, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>when did all that stuff get onto the lunchboxes.

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<v Speaker 3>That actually happened pretty early, Like the first one, aim

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<v Speaker 3>specifically at kids, came in nineteen thirty five when the

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<v Speaker 3>Aladdin Company put a picture of Mickey Mouse on the front,

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<v Speaker 3>but with the depression, it didn't quite take off at

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<v Speaker 3>that time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm guessing funds for that sort of thing were

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<v Speaker 1>a little limited, and you know, foods at a premium,

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<v Speaker 1>not you know, not the things you're carrying it around in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, the Aladdin Company kept their idea for

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<v Speaker 3>this novelty lunch box in their back pocket, and when

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<v Speaker 3>TV started to take off, this was in the early

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen fifties, the company got another turn at this, and

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<v Speaker 3>so they released the metal lunch Box and Thermis that

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<v Speaker 3>featured a cruelly drawn picture of hop Along Cassidy. Well

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<v Speaker 3>that might sound pretty dull today, the hop lunch Box

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<v Speaker 3>was actually a massive hit. They sold six hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 3>of these things in a single year, and that success

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<v Speaker 3>was enough for another screen cowboy to take notice. This was,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, Roy Rogers, so he approached the Latin about

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<v Speaker 3>making a lunch box of his own, but the company

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<v Speaker 3>actually turned him away because they didn't think a second.

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<v Speaker 2>Cowboy lunchbox would sell.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just too much cowboy. You don't want two Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing they were wrong about that, though, right.

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<v Speaker 3>They were very wrong about this, because remember westerns were

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<v Speaker 3>a big deal in fifties entertainment, on the same scale

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<v Speaker 3>as like the superhero movies today, and there was absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>room on the shelf for two Cowboy lunchboxes.

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<v Speaker 2>And Roy Rogers knew this.

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<v Speaker 3>So to that end, Rogers partnered with a different company,

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<v Speaker 3>it was American Thermos, and then together they released a

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<v Speaker 3>lunchbox that was so popular and wound up selling two

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<v Speaker 3>and a half million units in nineteen fifty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa.

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<v Speaker 3>Not only did Roy Rogers you know, this lunch box

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<v Speaker 3>sell through the roof, it also set a new benchmark

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<v Speaker 3>for lunchbox design. It had this full color illustration that

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<v Speaker 3>covered the entire box, and Thermos and so from their

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<v Speaker 3>lunchboxes really took off. Companies started churning out countless designs

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<v Speaker 3>with TV movie, comic book characters. The biggest hit was

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<v Speaker 3>this Disney lunch box painted to resemble a school bus

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<v Speaker 3>that was carrying Mickey and the other Disney characters along

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<v Speaker 3>Like Pinocchio and Dumbo, and so over nine million of

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<v Speaker 3>those school lunchboxes were sold, making it the most popular

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<v Speaker 3>lunch box ever made.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty incredible. So where lunchbox is still mostly metal

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<v Speaker 1>at that point or had they already switched over to plastic.

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<v Speaker 3>No, these were all still metal, and when all was

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<v Speaker 3>said and done, roughly one hundred and twenty million metal

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<v Speaker 3>lunch boxes were sold between nineteen fifty and nineteen seventy.

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<v Speaker 3>The party kind of ended in nineteen seventy two, though,

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<v Speaker 3>when the state of Florida banned metal lunch box is

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<v Speaker 3>from schools. They were you worried that kids were using

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<v Speaker 3>these heavy boxes as weapons, which led to the plastic

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<v Speaker 3>boxes that we've seen in more recent years and the

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<v Speaker 3>eventual declining sales of lunch boxes in general.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've covered two of the most quintessential school supplies

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<v Speaker 1>I feel, like backpacks and lunchboxes. But here's another thing

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't thought about in a while, and that's the

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<v Speaker 1>humble plastic recorder, which is still used in music classes today.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I have always wondered, like, how has decided

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<v Speaker 3>that every kid in America should learn how to play

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<v Speaker 3>the recorder? Like I've always just assumed someone on the

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<v Speaker 3>school board was in cahoots with the manufacturer, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>how it somehow took off.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I was actually curious about that too, And

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out that it's largely thanks to the influence

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<v Speaker 1>of this famous German composer whose music theory became the

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<v Speaker 1>basis for a lot of the school music programs we

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<v Speaker 1>see today. His name was Carl Orff, and while his

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<v Speaker 1>name might not ring a bell, you've definitely heard his

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<v Speaker 1>most famous work, and at least one movie trailer. It's

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<v Speaker 1>called Carmina Burana and it sounds like this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that definitely rings a bell. I mean, it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of the go to hook for every epic movie since

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteen nineties exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, so Orf's approach to teaching music stress the

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<v Speaker 1>importance of rhythm and creative thinking rather than just memorizing

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<v Speaker 1>musical notations. And he thought the best way for a

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<v Speaker 1>kid to learn music was by teaching him to play

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<v Speaker 1>a simple, accessible instrument that kind of mimic their own

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<v Speaker 1>vocal range. And the soprano recorder perfectly fit that bill,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, at its core, the recorder is practically

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<v Speaker 1>just a whistle, and unlike more complicated instruments, there are

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<v Speaker 1>no strings to strum. You don't have to purse your

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<v Speaker 1>lips in any strange way. You just kind of blow

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<v Speaker 1>and out comes this screechy, high pitched tone. At least

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I hear from my kids. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>cover this hole or that hole with your fingers, you

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<v Speaker 1>can actually change the notes you play. But the recorder's

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<v Speaker 1>classroom dominance wasn't cemented until the nineteen sixties, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>when advances in manufacturing finally allowed the instruments to be

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<v Speaker 1>mass produced in plastic. The plastic recorders were especially attractive

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<v Speaker 1>to educators because they were cheap enough that you could

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<v Speaker 1>buy them in bulk, but still durable enough that you

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<v Speaker 1>know they'd last, and they had a pretty good sound.

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<v Speaker 3>I do have to say, I mean, you're being pretty

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<v Speaker 3>cavalier about potentially alienating all those professional recorder players that

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<v Speaker 3>might be in our audience. I think you should be

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit more careful.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're right, actually, And Gabe, who did this research,

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<v Speaker 1>warned me that recorders used to be considered a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>serious instrument. According to experts, the recorders heyday was probably

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<v Speaker 1>during the Baroque era when composers like Bach and Vivaldi

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<v Speaker 1>would actually crank out pieces that showcased recorders in all

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<v Speaker 1>different sizes, and the recorder kind of got offstaged when

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<v Speaker 1>the flute came into Europe and Asia and gradually stole

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<v Speaker 1>the show. But adult musicians do still compose for and

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<v Speaker 1>play the recorder today, according to Susan Burns, who's the

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<v Speaker 1>administrative director of the American Recorder Society, quote, the recorder

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<v Speaker 1>is a professional instrument in its own right. Everyone says, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so easy to play, but it takes a lifetime

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<v Speaker 1>to master, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, Tony, I don't know if you've ever seen this

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<v Speaker 3>clip that went viral of you hear the song turned

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<v Speaker 3>down for what being played, and then right after they

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<v Speaker 3>say that, it pans to this group of elementary school

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<v Speaker 3>students and they start playing the like chorus or whatever

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<v Speaker 3>on their recorders.

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<v Speaker 2>It was pretty great.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, we've got so much more. So let's take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick break.

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<v Speaker 3>They're listening to Part Time Genius and we're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>the strange stories behind school supplies. All right, Mango, So

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<v Speaker 3>as you know, there's a question every parent has to

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<v Speaker 3>ask sooner or later, and that is, how can I

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<v Speaker 3>keep my kid from freaking out about their first day

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<v Speaker 3>of school? Like, it's a scary amount of change for

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<v Speaker 3>a child to deal with, and there's no universal answer

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<v Speaker 3>for how to combat that fear. But the Germans and

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<v Speaker 3>Austrians have what's probably the closest thing I think, and

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<v Speaker 3>what is that Well, basically you distract them with a

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<v Speaker 3>giant cone full of presents. I mean, it seems so

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<v Speaker 3>obvious in hindsight, but this is a real thing in

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<v Speaker 3>Germany and Austria. So each year since the early eighteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 3>the latest crop of first graders are gifted with what's

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<v Speaker 3>called a shultata, which is to help celebrate their very

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<v Speaker 3>first day of school. The name translates as school bag,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's more like this giant cone shaped Christmas stocking.

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<v Speaker 3>So parents will fashion it out of paper and it's

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes as big as two or three feet tall, and

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<v Speaker 3>then they fill it with like candy and toys and

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<v Speaker 3>all these other treats to help make the first day

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<v Speaker 3>of school more special.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, just look this up. It's crazy. These cones are

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<v Speaker 1>like as big as the kids. It's insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there is.

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<v Speaker 1>So all the first year students just lugged these giant

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<v Speaker 1>cones around like all day.

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<v Speaker 2>Well not anymore, no.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean nowadays most kids get their shulta does at

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<v Speaker 3>home and leave it there. But back in the early

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<v Speaker 3>days of the tradition, kids actually had to rush to

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<v Speaker 3>the school yard and pick their own from this tree

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<v Speaker 3>that was said to grow them only when it was

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<v Speaker 3>time for the school year to start.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. I can imagine kids just like waiting at

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<v Speaker 1>the gates and then running in and getting these plucking

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<v Speaker 1>these cones from truths. It is kind of funny that

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<v Speaker 1>you brought up cones, because I actually have the goods

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<v Speaker 1>on a different sort of cone that was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>I guess bring up the opposite reaction, and that's the

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<v Speaker 1>dance cap. So during the Victorian era, this goofy cone

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<v Speaker 1>shaped hat became a symbolic form of discipline in European

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<v Speaker 1>and American schools alike, and if a student acted up

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<v Speaker 1>in class or didn't know the answer to a question,

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<v Speaker 1>they'd have to go sit in the corner. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you've seen cartoons of like Dennis the Menace or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever where he's wearing a dance cap sitting in the corner.

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<v Speaker 1>But the hope was all this embarrassment would curtail future

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<v Speaker 1>misbehaved Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's nothing like a little public shaming to

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<v Speaker 3>keep the kids in line.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it must have been pretty traumatizing for the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>But the practice actually continued in the US and Europe

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<v Speaker 1>well into the twentieth century, and Dunce caps were pretty

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<v Speaker 1>common all the way up until the nineteen fifties.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I do think of it as like a much

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<v Speaker 3>older image. I didn't realize they lasted that long.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the wildest part and something I hadn't heard

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<v Speaker 1>before this week. But we think about the Dunce cap

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<v Speaker 1>as something that signifies like a lack of intelligence, and

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<v Speaker 1>it actually began as a symbol of a really accomplished scholar.

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<v Speaker 1>Born sometime in the thirteenth century. His name was John

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<v Speaker 1>Dunn Scotis, and he was a Franciscan priest and a linguist.

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<v Speaker 1>He studied theology and philosophy at Oxford and taught classes

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<v Speaker 1>at the University of Paris. And he even had a

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<v Speaker 1>group of students and others that kind of followed his

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<v Speaker 1>teachings and lived near him, and they called themselves Duntsmen.

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<v Speaker 1>So Atlas Obscura has an article about it, and it says, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>Scotis was a renaissance man centuries before the Renaissance even

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<v Speaker 1>took place. But all of that said, it should be

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<v Speaker 1>known that Scotus liked to wear a big, pointy wizard

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<v Speaker 1>hat whenever he went out in public. So while he

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<v Speaker 1>was this incredibly smart guy, his sense of fashion might

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<v Speaker 1>be a little lacking or a little too forward, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on how you how you look at it. But

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<v Speaker 1>the cool thing is, and no one is really sure

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<v Speaker 1>whether Scotis was inspired by depictions of wizards that he'd seen,

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<v Speaker 1>or whether it was his own cap that inspired the

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<v Speaker 1>wizard's look that we think of now.

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<v Speaker 3>I think in either case, it sounds like the takeaway

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<v Speaker 3>here is that wise people wear very pointy hats. I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's the only thing I could take from it always.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, Scotis even went a step further. He

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<v Speaker 1>actually believed that the conical shape of his hat kind

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<v Speaker 1>of functioned as this metaphysical reverse funnel, with knowledge collecting

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<v Speaker 1>at the pointy end and then flowing down around his brain.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, as silly as it sounds, the idea caught

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<v Speaker 1>on with academics of the day, and the cone shaped

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<v Speaker 1>cap became the symbol of both duntsman and of high

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence in general.

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<v Speaker 3>It's sort of bizarre, So like what happened? Like what

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<v Speaker 3>changed the hats from a mark of pride to this

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<v Speaker 3>symbol of shame.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, funnily enough, it's actually the Renaissance that changed it.

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<v Speaker 1>So by the mid sixteenth century, popular theology and philosophy

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<v Speaker 1>had moved away from Scotus and his teachings, and that

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<v Speaker 1>lack of popular favor made the remaining Duntsman look silly

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of outdated. Plus their pointy hats didn't help,

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<v Speaker 1>so over time, the Duntsman and the dunce cap kind

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<v Speaker 1>of became the symbol of foolishness and stupidity.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a strange legacy.

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<v Speaker 1>On the bright side, though, historians have kind of vindicated

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<v Speaker 1>Scotis over the years, and he's not held up as

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<v Speaker 1>one of the finest thinkers of the Middle Ages, and

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<v Speaker 1>Pope John Paul the Second even beatified him back in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety three for his work as a religious scholar.

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<v Speaker 1>So who knows, maybe we can turn things around for

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<v Speaker 1>this famous cap too. Anyway, we've got more to come,

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<v Speaker 1>but first a quick break. Welcome back to part time genius.

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<v Speaker 1>So will you've probably heard by now that sitting is

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<v Speaker 1>the new smoking when it comes to health concerns, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's why so many offices these days are switching the

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<v Speaker 1>standing desk for their workers. But you know, despite all

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<v Speaker 1>the studies touting the health benefits of standing over sitting,

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<v Speaker 1>it's unusual to find standing desk in elementary.

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<v Speaker 3>Schools, which I mean, that's a good point because it

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<v Speaker 3>is kind of weird when you think about it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you assume all the benefits of standing desk apply just

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<v Speaker 3>as well as students as they would to adult office workers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, you're exactly right. So there was this

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<v Speaker 1>study that came out last year and it found that

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<v Speaker 1>third graders who used a standing desk at school were

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<v Speaker 1>more focused in the classroom and more active overall compared

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<v Speaker 1>to kids of the same age who use traditional sit

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<v Speaker 1>down desk. And another study came up with the same

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<v Speaker 1>results for second through fourth graders, setting a twelve percent

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<v Speaker 1>increase in engagement from students who had the option of

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<v Speaker 1>standing in class.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it does sound like things might change in

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<v Speaker 3>the not two distant future, and maybe we'll see standing

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<v Speaker 3>desk become more of the norm in these classrooms.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So, a handful of elementary schools across the country have

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<v Speaker 1>already started adding standing desk to their classrooms, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>guessing more and more schools will jump on the trend

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<v Speaker 1>as they become more affordable. But in the meantime, one

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<v Speaker 1>elementary school teacher in California, Lynn Akers, has already made

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<v Speaker 1>the switch to standing desks, and she explained the benefits

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<v Speaker 1>this way. Quote, children naturally learn through movement. If you

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<v Speaker 1>restrict them to sitting, they interrupt you more and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>asked to go to the bathroom a lot. They need

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<v Speaker 1>to get their energy out, which makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, on the other hand, restricting kids this

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<v Speaker 3>standing all day long could also lead to just as

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<v Speaker 3>many problems.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what if they get tired.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, schools are actually using a mix of standing

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<v Speaker 1>and sitting desks, which lets the kids choose the option

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<v Speaker 1>what works best for them. And even at schools where

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<v Speaker 1>there are only standing desks, they tend to provide kids

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<v Speaker 1>with these tall chairs or stools so that just in

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<v Speaker 1>case they're tired, they can rest their legs.

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<v Speaker 3>It's definitely a smart move And you know, since you

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<v Speaker 3>mentioned how kids need an outlet for their energy, I

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<v Speaker 3>do want to touch on something that's kind of become

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<v Speaker 3>really a controversial topic. Are you talking about recess? I

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<v Speaker 3>am definitely talking about recess. You know, we have to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about recess. But instead of talking about how some

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<v Speaker 3>schools have tried to abolish recess, which maybe was where

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<v Speaker 3>you were thinking, I actually wanted to look at how

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<v Speaker 3>we can make recess an even more effective form of

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<v Speaker 3>exercise than it already is. So, according to researchers in Denmark,

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<v Speaker 3>the perfect place to start is with our school's playgrounds.

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<v Speaker 3>In twenty fifteen, Danis researchers conducted a study where they

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<v Speaker 3>had hundreds of elementary students where accelerometers and these GPS

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<v Speaker 3>trackers during their school year so that their activity levels

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<v Speaker 3>at recess could actually be monitored. But here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>The kids didn't all attend the same school or have

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<v Speaker 3>recess on the same playground, and this variance allowed the

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<v Speaker 3>researchers to see which types of schoolyard are more or

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<v Speaker 3>less conducive to exercise, and so, based on the data

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<v Speaker 3>from these accelerometers, the children in the study were significantly

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<v Speaker 3>more active when playing on grassy areas and its sites

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<v Speaker 3>featuring playground equipment, and on the other end of the spectrum,

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<v Speaker 3>concrete lots were the worst of the bunch, so they

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<v Speaker 3>elicited the least energy expenditure of all the environments studied.

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<v Speaker 3>So the hope is that with this kind of insight

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<v Speaker 3>on what works best, developers can make better decisions and

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<v Speaker 3>create playgrounds and school yards where you know, it's easier

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<v Speaker 3>and more fun for kids to choose to be active

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<v Speaker 3>on their own.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is interesting. So what kinds of stuff are we

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<v Speaker 1>talking about though, Like, because I'm guessing it's something beyond

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<v Speaker 1>your typical slides and monkey bars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>So the researchers behind this study helped a few different

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<v Speaker 3>schools renovate their playgrounds and the main focus was to

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<v Speaker 3>widen the variety of activities on offer. So in addition

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<v Speaker 3>to the standard playground fair like swing sets, they added

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<v Speaker 3>these areas specifically designed for dancing and climbing and skating,

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<v Speaker 3>and they even dedicated this trampoline area.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, really, who wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Want to spend at least an hour a day in

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<v Speaker 3>a place like that all those options?

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<v Speaker 1>I know it does sound pretty fun. And in the end,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't that the only school supply that a kid really needs?

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<v Speaker 2>Fun?

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<v Speaker 3>Pens, pencils, notebooks for lers, there's probably a few other things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it spoken like a true grown up, So why

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<v Speaker 1>don't we keep the fun going with a fact off?

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<v Speaker 1>So here's a quick one on crayons. According to a

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<v Speaker 1>Yale University study, Crayola crayons are one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>recognizable sense for adults, ranking at number eighteen of all

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<v Speaker 1>the sense they tried, and it beat out Believe this

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<v Speaker 1>or not, cheese and bleach. Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's impressive.

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<v Speaker 3>All right. Well, speaking of names for crayons, did you

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<v Speaker 3>know that Crayola uses multiple names to refer to the

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<v Speaker 3>same colors. So the practice started early, with the company

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<v Speaker 3>using fifty four names to refer to just thirty eight

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<v Speaker 3>separate colors by the end of nineteen oh three, and

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<v Speaker 3>things only balloon from there. So you fast forward to

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<v Speaker 3>twenty fifteen and Traila had to signed seven hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>fifty nine names to just three hundred and thirty one colors. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>to be clear, though, this doesn't mean the company is

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<v Speaker 3>stuffing duplicate crayons and the same box under a different name,

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<v Speaker 3>but if you were to open different boxes, you might

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<v Speaker 3>actually find that the same blue crayon is simultaneously labeled

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<v Speaker 3>as Liberty blue, iron Man blue, or Birdy blue, depending

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<v Speaker 3>on the box that you get.

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<v Speaker 1>So pencils may seem a little old fashioned as more

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<v Speaker 1>kids learn to type and use pens, but don't count

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<v Speaker 1>them out just yet. According to the Chicago Tribune, they

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<v Speaker 1>keep coming back into fashion every so often, and when

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<v Speaker 1>Sudoku first became a craze, pencils actually had a seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent increase in sales in London.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy cow.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, here's a quick one.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't realize until our friend Aaron McCarthy did this

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<v Speaker 3>story on trapper keepers. So apparently the unique folders were

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<v Speaker 3>called trappers because they kept papers in them so well,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the binder was called a trapper keeper because

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<v Speaker 3>it held all the trappers to get You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I had always wondered why it had that name. It

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<v Speaker 1>is such a strange name for a product that I

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely love. So you gave us the skinny on Elmer's

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<v Speaker 1>glue at the top of the show. So now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>actually going to clue you in on Elmer himself because

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<v Speaker 1>believe it or not, Elmer wasn't created just for the

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<v Speaker 1>glue bottle. He was actually based on a real bull

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<v Speaker 1>that the Bordon Company used to advertise its products at

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen thirty nine World's Fair. So the original plan

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<v Speaker 1>was to have the dairy company's famous spokescow, Elsie, appear

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<v Speaker 1>at the event, but she was actually busy shooting the

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<v Speaker 1>film version of Little Women or the sequel. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>Little Man. It's so bizarre, but she was on set,

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<v Speaker 1>so Bordon knew they couldn't show up to the World's

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<v Speaker 1>Fair empty handed, so at the last minute, the company

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<v Speaker 1>found a bull to use instead, and at the fair,

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<v Speaker 1>the company dubbed him Elmer and announced that he was

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<v Speaker 1>the unmentioned husband of Elsie, which I'm sure Elsie wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>too happy about it, but the public loved the idea

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<v Speaker 1>and Elmer was quickly made the mascot for the Bordon

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<v Speaker 1>Chemical division, you know, the other side of the company,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how we wound up on the glue that

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<v Speaker 1>would eventually bear his name.

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<v Speaker 3>That was a much more involved origin story than I

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<v Speaker 3>expected for the fact off, especially, but I do like

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<v Speaker 3>the way you brought the episode full circle. So just

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<v Speaker 3>for that, I think I'm gonna give you the trophy

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<v Speaker 3>and I will take it all right. Well, that's going

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<v Speaker 3>to do it for today's Part Time Genius for myself, Mango, Gabe,

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<v Speaker 3>and Lowell. Thanks so much for listening. We'll be back

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