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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL podcast operates on a higher plane

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Speaker 1: of human existed. Welcome to another edition of the Around

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Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hands, and I

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Speaker 1: am joined by a room filled with some heroes, Chris

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Speaker 1: Westling and Greg Rosa. Thought, what up, boys? Hey Dan,

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Speaker 1: how are you fellas? I'm just trying. I need some

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Speaker 1: shades for that bright yellow shirt Westling's got today. I

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Speaker 1: like it. I'm going on He's turned in l A. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's rights going on television that I want people to

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Speaker 1: see me. I want to be stunning interesting theories. She guess.

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Speaker 1: I'm in a I'm in a really good mood because Greg,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Patriot dynasty is over. Oh how about that?

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Speaker 1: And not to toot my own horn, but back to

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Speaker 1: back hero picks Sunday and Monday decisively. If if enjoying

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Speaker 1: the demise of you know, your favorite team gave me joy,

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Speaker 1: would have been the happiest person in the world the

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Speaker 1: last few years. And if honking about picks was something

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Speaker 1: I would do, you know, we could go back. We

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Speaker 1: could talk about your record. If you want to talk

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Speaker 1: about coming in last place two years ago, fourth place

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Speaker 1: last year and you're in fourth place right now, you

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Speaker 1: are a sad man. All I know you brought it up.

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Speaker 1: All I know is I picked up two games on

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Speaker 1: you and the standings that you're hung up on right now.

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Speaker 1: But the bigger story is the Patriots are going down,

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Speaker 1: and that's something we got to talk about all year.

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Speaker 1: And I got a hero pick. I'm picking against. It

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Speaker 1: was a nice Monday. Are you hung up on the

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Speaker 1: n f C standings? What what do you mean? You

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Speaker 1: just said Greg was hung up on the standings for

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Speaker 1: us picking games. The Jets are in last place in

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Speaker 1: those standings. The Patriots, we'll see. I'm not giving up

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Speaker 1: on them. Their dynasty, I believe, if you want to

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Speaker 1: use the word dynasty, has been over for a while.

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Speaker 1: I think they've been a very good team and I'm

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Speaker 1: definitely not ruling them out winning that division and being

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Speaker 1: a good team. This year. They've they've come back from

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Speaker 1: from worse, maybe not worse. It's alarting to nothing opening

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Speaker 1: It's different. There is genuine doubt this year. You know,

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Speaker 1: there are problems they've had this year. I think that

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Speaker 1: the league so far. So it's not like you're giving

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Speaker 1: up on them. I'm not giving up on the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: but I was more it was just a nice moment

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Speaker 1: just maybe it could be ending. See, I thought you

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Speaker 1: might be happy for the fans in Kansas City, great

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Speaker 1: fan base, their chiefs, not the greatest recent history. But

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Speaker 1: now you gotta skew negative and enjoy someone else's demise.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't hear anything. You never gave me any

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Speaker 1: credit about the hero picks. That's why I really brought

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Speaker 1: it up. That was all just all that was just

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Speaker 1: to get to that sound drop A good job. All right,

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Speaker 1: here we go. Big show. This is a really big show.

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Speaker 1: And Mark Sessler unfortunately not with us again. He will

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Speaker 1: our next show on Thursday night. So get ready for

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Speaker 1: the Sizzler to return. Firing with firing with two revolvers barrels. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: both the revolvers firing. Uh. Today, we got a big show.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about Chris west here. We want

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Speaker 1: to go with the multi revolver imagery. Can we get

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Speaker 1: that anyway, So Chris Westling or to grow a great piece?

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Speaker 1: I should say about the biggest surprises in the NFL

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Speaker 1: through four weeks. We're doing a lot of quarter pole content.

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Speaker 1: Greg's up there, Yeah, quarters season Awards and whatnot. So

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Speaker 1: We've talked about it for a couple of weeks. Now.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna start forking teams formally on Wednesday. All this

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Speaker 1: a little Thursday night football, uh preview. You forgot that.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a five minute press conference congratulating you

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Speaker 1: You know he's got that color. He's got the color

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Speaker 1: That's all it is. Accept it for now, and I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm in third place, I assume right for today. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Loozy West on a dance floor, just like going nuts,

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Speaker 1: there was an inflatable swan. There was. I didn't tell

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Speaker 1: it to him. Three years in a row. That guy

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Speaker 1: is great. I wonder when I read this, though, are

427
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Speaker 1: we gonna see Carson Palmer again this season? I look,

428
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Speaker 1: we're not. We don't know anything about the medical situation,

429
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Speaker 1: but you start hearing specialists, it gets worse setback. I mean,

430
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Speaker 1: these are the things you hear when suddenly Carson Palmer

431
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Speaker 1: put on injured reserve out for these kind of Peyton manningy.

432
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Speaker 1: We're hoping that's not what's gonna end up happening, where

433
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Speaker 1: he's gonna need some type of procedure to save his career.

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Speaker 1: But uh, you know, the issues with being able to

435
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Speaker 1: throw the ball, gripping ball, all that stuff. It doesn't

436
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Speaker 1: seem to be heading in the good action. When you

437
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: hear my nerve has to wake up and it's not firing.

438
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Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know a lot about nerves, but

439
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Speaker 1: that's problematic. You can't just go rehab this. It's not

440
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Speaker 1: like a normal recovering from a brain MCL. They they

441
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Speaker 1: have no idea. And the fact that he just can't

442
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Speaker 1: throw the ball, I mean, it's scary. The New England

443
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Speaker 1: Patriots who talked about them at the top of the show.

444
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: You may remember um are coming off that bad loss.

445
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Speaker 1: Now they have to go on Sunday night to face

446
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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals, who are allowing a league low eleven

447
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Speaker 1: points per game. So for the Patriots Patriots offense to

448
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Speaker 1: wake up, they're gonna have a tough challenge. Tom Brady

449
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: was on w e I in Boston. He had this

450
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Speaker 1: to say, there's no magic scheme. It's up to the

451
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Speaker 1: players to play a lot better than we're playing. This

452
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Speaker 1: hasn't been an isolated incident. I don't think offensively, we've

453
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Speaker 1: played well all year. So Greg, I ask you, this

454
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Speaker 1: appears to be a spot where a bad timing on

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Speaker 1: the schedule for a team that really needs a big

456
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Speaker 1: win and a nice offensive apple to shut everybody up.

457
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Speaker 1: Instead they get one of the best defenses in football.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a good spot. You know, it's a

459
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Speaker 1: short week in a game that they're going to be

460
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Speaker 1: the underdog, which is very rare in Foxborough. Almost never

461
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Speaker 1: happens under Brady and Belichick. In a big stage. Everyone's

462
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Speaker 1: gonna be watching. This is generally what when you can

463
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Speaker 1: see what your team is made of, and that's kind

464
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Speaker 1: of what they need right now. Isn't that what they needed?

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Speaker 1: On the big stage. But that was a huge letdown performance.

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Speaker 1: They've had a month of poor offense. They were last

467
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Speaker 1: in the league and yards or play before Monday night,

468
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Speaker 1: so they've been struggling each and every week. This is

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Speaker 1: a spot where Brady and Belichick over the years would respond.

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Speaker 1: So I think I think it's a good spot because

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Speaker 1: because you'll learn if they get blown out again, then

472
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Speaker 1: they're bad team. Brady played very poorly in one half

473
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Speaker 1: against the Dolphins, played poorly against the Raiders for part

474
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Speaker 1: of the game, and had one of the worst starts

475
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Speaker 1: with his career against the Chiefs. He isn't playing well,

476
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Speaker 1: But I thought it was interesting in that article Albert

477
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Speaker 1: Brier had talked to quite a few executives and they

478
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Speaker 1: were unanimous in the decision that he is not the issue.

479
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: It's the talent surrounding him. That was That was weird,

480
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Speaker 1: by the way, after after he came out of the

481
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Speaker 1: game and Garoppolo came in. Garoppolo got the score and

482
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Speaker 1: came back and was talking to the offensive coordinator, Brady

483
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: was just sitting there staring straight ahead. I don't remember

484
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Speaker 1: ever seeing I know we've seen Brady frustrated on the sidelines,

485
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Speaker 1: but I never I don't remember seeing Brady just that

486
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Speaker 1: dejected in a way. Maybe in that Bills game that

487
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: was forever ago, but it was very unusual to see

488
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Speaker 1: Brady just at a loss, it seemed. I think of

489
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Speaker 1: two games immediately when they got trounced in New Orleans

490
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Speaker 1: and they show Brady and Belichick just kind of standing

491
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Speaker 1: on the sidelines. I can't remember what year that was.

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Speaker 1: I think it was the first year he was back

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Speaker 1: from a c L surgery, and then later or that season.

494
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Speaker 1: The darkest moment any Patriots fans should know this of

495
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: the Brady Belichick era, thirty three to fourteen home loss

496
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Speaker 1: to the Ravens in the playoffs. Light booze cascading down

497
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Speaker 1: on Foxboro, a half empty fox Burrows, probably Ravens fans

498
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Speaker 1: booing as Brady, you know, kind of jogs off the

499
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Speaker 1: field of his head down. At that point, everyone said

500
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Speaker 1: the Patriots dynasty is over. The Globe wrote it, CSN

501
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: New England did a big thing about it. Everyone picked

502
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Speaker 1: them not to make the playoffs the following year. Then

503
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: they had the number one seed, so it were five

504
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: years removed from that. I don't know if they can

505
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Speaker 1: really pull it back, but I don't know. I'm not

506
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Speaker 1: giving up. Finally, gentlemen, Charlie Whitehurst, who we talked about

507
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Speaker 1: a little bit last week, he made a start, is

508
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Speaker 1: named one of Nashville Lifestyles twenty five most Beautiful People

509
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Speaker 1: in two thousand fourteen. He has a shot with a

510
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Speaker 1: jaunty cap just Askew his long hair, and a shirt

511
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Speaker 1: not dissimilar to West's shirt, only a different color posing

512
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Speaker 1: in the magazine. But the one thing that jumped out

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Speaker 1: we you know, we talked about how Chaz Whitehurst thought

514
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Speaker 1: that maybe he had a bunch of acoustic guitars could

515
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Speaker 1: play maybe a little bit of Glysserene. I think he

516
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: can play pink houses too, maybe pink houses, perhaps parts

517
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Speaker 1: of it. He gets frusted an air and air it's

518
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: pretty easy. He gets frustrated easily. Clipboard Jesus. But they

519
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: asked him this question, which was interesting. Is there a

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Speaker 1: skill or activity that you want to take up, slash

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Speaker 1: learn or one that you have mastered. His answer, I

522
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Speaker 1: need to learn to play my guitar, bang bang. So

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Speaker 1: it means he has a guitar, a guitar, potentially multiple guitars.

524
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Speaker 1: Who knows, but at least one, and he doesn't know

525
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Speaker 1: how to play exactly as he predicted. Certain guys have

526
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Speaker 1: the look you guys, but don't know how to play.

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Speaker 1: He saw right through the Chads Whitehurst affectations. Do you

528
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Speaker 1: just a real quick survey of this room? I think

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Speaker 1: that counts as another hero pick. By the way, I

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Speaker 1: think it counts as a Sessler. Every time was a

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Speaker 1: segment of the show that we didn't know what's coming.

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Speaker 1: It's always somehow patting Dan on the back. I love

533
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Speaker 1: this white I'm just curious who has this counts behind

534
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Speaker 1: the glass as well? Who has a guitar but doesn't

535
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Speaker 1: know how to play it? One? I've never owned a

536
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Speaker 1: single music lies Okay, I thought it would be more.

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Speaker 1: I have a guitar that I don't know. Really, yes,

538
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Speaker 1: I went out of Valin that I could play, but

539
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Speaker 1: then stop learning how to play. My brother majored in

540
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: classical guitar and was a great, great guitar player. I tried.

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Speaker 1: It's very difficult. I learned to play a portion of

542
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Speaker 1: Santa Monica and then how big of a portion down

543
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: out good, down out down to thank us for good

544
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Speaker 1: in my life? Not keeping up with a Valin really life.

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Speaker 1: If that's number one, I'm just saying that just fell off.

546
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Speaker 1: If what I mean for a man that became known

547
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Speaker 1: as young Kobe for his basketball skills and genial looks.

548
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine what would happen if you knew how

549
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: to play violin? I asked myself that every day he'd

550
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Speaker 1: have to use the violin stick thing to hit away

551
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: the women. That thick thing. What is that thing? All right?

552
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Speaker 1: So let's move forward, gentlemen, and let's talk about Chris

553
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Speaker 1: Westling's list the top ten surprises of the first quarter

554
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Speaker 1: of the season. West did just to use a damage

555
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Speaker 1: I turn gangbusters work on this list. I really enjoyed it.

556
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Speaker 1: A top ten that was also an honorable mentioned. Get excited, everybody,

557
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: So why don't we talk about it? Maybe West will

558
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Speaker 1: throw some out to West or maybe throw out a

559
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Speaker 1: couple of ours that maybe did not make it onto

560
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Speaker 1: Wes's list. Let's have some chatter session about the top

561
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Speaker 1: ten list, and we'll start with number one, Chris Westling.

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Speaker 1: That's we gotta talk about number one. Rolando McClean Cowboys linebacker.

563
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: Nobody thought McClean would be an NFL player the way

564
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Speaker 1: his career started. All of a sudden, he's a key

565
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: cog in the middle of that defense. That is a

566
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Speaker 1: lot better than people realized. Talk about hyah Orton unsuccessfully

567
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: retiring McClain did twice before, twice this offseason, and he

568
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Speaker 1: had that one to arrest where he's getting in the

569
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Speaker 1: car like this, and now he's a starting middle linebacker

570
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Speaker 1: who legitimately looks like a difference maker, not just wow,

571
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Speaker 1: I'm surprised that RELANDA. McLean is half way useful. I'm

572
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Speaker 1: surprised that he's helping them win games. He would have

573
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Speaker 1: never guessed that he's playing better in these four games

574
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Speaker 1: than he has in his entire career. Number eight overall

575
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Speaker 1: draft pick. Well, now we're learning why. Maybe Jerry Jones

576
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: the GM turning it all around on a way, there's

577
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Speaker 1: Morris Clayborn about five thousand other examples of him being

578
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Speaker 1: a disaster. I mean, do you think do you think

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Speaker 1: this is going to keep up? Do you think McClain

580
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Speaker 1: we're gonna look back and he's gonna be second team

581
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Speaker 1: All Pro or something? Is he playing at that level?

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Speaker 1: And do you think he will sustain it? I do

583
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Speaker 1: not think he's going to be second I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I'll keep it up, because I don't know what

585
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Speaker 1: his motivation is. This is a guy who's gonna be far.

586
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: He doesn't even really like football that much. I'm surprised

587
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Speaker 1: number two on your list, Steve Smith. That was stunning

588
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: that because you shouldn't be that surprised number one, right,

589
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: And we did predict on this podcast he would leave

590
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: the Ravens in in receiving this year. No one thought

591
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: that he would have the second in the NFL in

592
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: almost every category and has already seven more plays of

593
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Speaker 1: twenty plus yards and he had all of last season.

594
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Speaker 1: That's a surprise to me. He's not coming back as

595
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Speaker 1: a slot receiver. He's coming back as one of the

596
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: best deep threats in the NFL. Devin Hester was a

597
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: name that I was thinking had to be on this list,

598
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: and there he was, because we've seen what number five

599
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Speaker 1: he did over the years in Chicago when it was

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Speaker 1: on offense, and all we ever did was killed the

601
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: Bears for trying him on offense and now because they

602
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: didn't know what they were doing. Well, but we didn't

603
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: know that. And now he's out there he looks like

604
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: he's still a very good return man. It seems like

605
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: he's extra juice in his legs and now he's actually

606
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Speaker 1: useful offensive weapon. No one saw that. I think Dirk Cutter,

607
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: the Falcons offensive coordinator, is very good at what he does,

608
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: whereas the Bears offensive coordinators were never good at what

609
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: they did, and Cutter is using him create creatively. He

610
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: scored on a reception, a run, and a punt return,

611
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: and he's probably gonna score on a kickoff return to

612
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: he's breaking tackles. It's it's such a huge test for

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Speaker 1: Cutter and Matt Ryan though, because they lost two more

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Speaker 1: starting offensive lineman for the season this week. I feel

615
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Speaker 1: like Matt Ryan is playing like a top five quarterbacks

616
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Speaker 1: so far. But how many people can you lose and

617
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Speaker 1: still put up thirty points a game? I guess if

618
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Speaker 1: you want to look on the bright side, the backups

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Speaker 1: to those two linemen that they lost aren't much worse

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Speaker 1: than the starters. Yeah. Let's I'll just real quickly go

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Speaker 1: through the top ten you McClean won Steve Smith to

622
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Speaker 1: Larry Donnelle, the Giants tight end at three, Terrell Austin

623
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Speaker 1: the lines defensive coordina at for Devin Hester, Darren Sprowles

624
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Speaker 1: the Ravens offensive lie, the Chargers cornerbacks, Jolnnie Jenkins the

625
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: offense linebacker, and Levy on Bell at number ten. And

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Speaker 1: one thing I wanted to a point out before Greg,

627
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Speaker 1: we get into maybe guys that aren't on this list

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Speaker 1: honorable mention. I see Brian Hoyer at on honorable mention,

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Speaker 1: and I must say, because Mark Sessler isn't here, that

630
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Speaker 1: I believe that Brian Horyer, considering everything heading into the season,

631
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Speaker 1: what we all felt, deserved to be on the top

632
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Speaker 1: ten somewhere. He's playing very well for a team that

633
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Speaker 1: could that is playing competitive football and very easily could

634
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Speaker 1: be in the thick of the af C North by

635
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Speaker 1: the midpoint of the season. I find it incredibly generous

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Speaker 1: of you to say he's playing very well well. He

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Speaker 1: is exceeding expectations. He's the quarterback of a what one

638
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Speaker 1: in three team. It's not because of the offense, because

639
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: of the defense. I think they could they could be winning.

640
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Speaker 1: And and as you said, Greg, that the Johnny Manzela

641
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Speaker 1: is further from the job on October one than he

642
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: was on September one, which really is a credit to

643
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: Hoyer considering how the entire franchise turned towards Johnny Manziel

644
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: is the savior. Put him on the list. You should

645
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: be in two sets of softball pants. After what Brian Hoyer.

646
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: I think you'll find that the top ten players on

647
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: this everyone a top ten players is a good player.

648
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: So you don't think, Brian, I think he's a very

649
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: mediocre quarterback. So that's why he's not in the top ten.

650
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: He's let me just go over the stats. Might as

651
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: well throw him out there. He's completing six of his passes,

652
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: He's not thrown an interception, three touchdowns, and has a

653
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: passer rating of nineties seven point five. This that's good

654
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: production for a guy that that maybe a lot of

655
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: people thought was a backup at best. If you watched

656
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: the games. He's missing a lot of throws and they

657
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: are coaching him really well. It's like they're coaching he

658
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: they like the Bills coached e J. Mannual. It's a

659
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: lot of play action, a lot of inside the numbers stuff,

660
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: and that's fine. He's getting it done, but it's not

661
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: like he's making the same pass as Aaron Rodgers. It

662
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: is crazy, though, that Johnny Manziel has turned into a

663
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: non story at this point and that it's the Browns.

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Speaker 1: If the On's defense had played as well as we thought,

665
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: they would be three and o right now. And they

666
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: don't have Jordan Cameron, they don't have Josh Gordon. They

667
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: have a great running game. Hoyer, give him a little

668
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: up and all right, So now, Greg, why don't you

669
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Speaker 1: throw out a name that is not on West's list

670
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: and then listen to what Wes has has to stay

671
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: shooting you down, perhaps saying, oh, I forgot that guy. Well,

672
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: actually it happens to be on his honorable mention list.

673
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: Didn't realize, you know, Arrell Austin has been great, big

674
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: question mark uh in Detroit going into the year, and

675
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: he's been terrific. But he's not even the most surprising

676
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: Austin in the league. Austin Davis. I mean no, none

677
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: of us could have said anything about Austin Davis a

678
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: couple of months ago. We would have said it was

679
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,479
Speaker 1: a travesty and a complete disaster. If he ever gets

680
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: in the lineup for the Rams and he's given them life.

681
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: You watch him compared to let's say, a Brian Hoyer,

682
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: I think he's light years ahead of Brian Hoyer. I mean,

683
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: he's helping them win games. I mean, he's very accurate.

684
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a big arm, but he's connecting eep

685
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: down the field he has touched. He's a fun quarterback

686
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: to watch. He makes the rams kind of watchable, which

687
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: I never would have seen. He's playing like case Keenum

688
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: played last year when he first got the job, attacking

689
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: down the field, and I mean that's what Austin. Neither

690
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: one has a big arm, but they're both att there. Yeah.

691
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: I don't know Austin Davis gonna be good for the

692
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: next four weeks. I know he's played two and a

693
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: half games, and for those two and a half games,

694
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: he's looked like a solid NFL starting quarterback. Yeah, I

695
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: know he's done something in the three games he's played

696
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: that Sam Bradford never did in any three games stretch

697
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: of his career. By completion percentage in yards per attempt,

698
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: sixty completions in seven point five yards pert tempt for

699
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: three straight games. Sam Bradford never did that. Uh, the

700
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: guy that jumps out to me and this is cheating

701
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: a little bit because I know he had a nice

702
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: season last year and we all agreed that he was

703
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: a good player when he could stay healthy. But who

704
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: saw DeMarco Murray becoming potentially I know there are some

705
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 1: people that argue, uh, levy on Bell, but to Marco

706
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: Murray become a the best running back in football's four

707
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: straight games over a hundred yards, has a touchdown in

708
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: each game. He Uh he was just he shredded the

709
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: Saints on Sunday night. He's doing it every game. You know,

710
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: if he could stay healthy, this looks like the season

711
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: where he's gonna be the fifteen six hundred yard guy

712
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: with the double digit touchdowns and a real m VP candidate.

713
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: When you look at the Cowboys who are three and one,

714
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: who are a team wide surprise while we're here, uh,

715
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: and they have a chance to go four and one

716
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: if they could beat the Texans at home on Sunday.

717
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: De Marco Murray is the reason why because they waited

718
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: for Romo to get healthy. It looks like he's getting there.

719
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: But Murray has been a major piece there. I considered

720
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: him for the list. The only reason he's not on

721
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: there he let all NFL starting running backs in yards

722
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 1: per cary last year. So to me that I can't

723
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: consider him a surprise. And he's great, But you know,

724
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: also don't know how much credit to give him and

725
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: how much to give that offensive line because I'm not

726
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: We always joke about how we can't evaluate offensive linemen

727
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: that well, but they are becoming the first offensive line

728
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: that I've ever had fun watching, Like they are one

729
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: of the best offensive lines. When you put on the game,

730
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: rewind that you just see Tyrone Smith, I like Ronald Leary.

731
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: That guy is big and he just throws people around.

732
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: I mean in the running game, they are dominant and

733
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: they have a chance I think because of that offensive

734
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: line to be good all year and next week, gentlemen,

735
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: just a little teaser because this is where it gets

736
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: real fun. Wessell do is top ten disappointments at the

737
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: first quarter of that and then we dig in and

738
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: we get negative. All right, So that's it, gentlemen. You

739
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: would not be on my surprise list because you're all

740
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: great guys all the time. See, we can fight at

741
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: the beginning of the show, and now we're just back together.

742
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's okay to get you know, share feelings

743
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: and and say that we appreciate each other. That's all.

744
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like you and Mark are always worried

745
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: West and I argue saying it's awkward or something. Sometimes

746
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people listening to the podcast, well right

747
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: in Oh, there was some real tension between the West

748
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: and greg Or Dan and whoever. It's all it's all love,

749
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, but to know that, I think, let's

750
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: not say it's all an act either, because it's real

751
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: human emotion, not like you'll get on these other podcasts.

752
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: And I won't name names, but this is it gets

753
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: real in here. Yeah, we've heard that we've taken some

754
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: shots on these podcasts. If I listen to them, would

755
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: I would know I'm not gonna make time to do that,

756
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: all right, So it is time, gentlemen. We've talked about

757
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: it for a couple of weeks. It's time to get

758
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: out the old utensils. Go in the old drawer, take

759
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: it out, the one with the points on it, and

760
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: do some stabbing. Not the knife, that's dangerous, the forks.

761
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: Stick the fork in them, stick up, stick a fork in.

762
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: And for those that might be new listeners to the show,

763
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: when we fork a team, we are saying definitively that

764
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: they have no chance of making the postseason. We been

765
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,479
Speaker 1: doing this for two years. We've never been wrong. Ever,

766
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: even once. It's not true we were wrong two years ago,

767
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: but last year we were we were cleaning. This year,

768
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna be clean again. That's a guarantee, which I

769
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: might I may add, though, you guys, when the Redskins

770
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: did you guys wrong. You guys are a little too

771
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: safe last season. We are gonna be a little more bold.

772
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm often the one that's playing it safe. I view

773
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: it more as an official pronouncement that your season and

774
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: is over, not trying to be bold. So we'll try

775
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: to get out on a limb a little bit more.

776
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: But I think we go back to what the policy

777
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: was the first year. If we're wrong about any of

778
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: these teams, we stick a fork and stick a fork

779
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: in them. I thought you were just circling back to

780
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: your your charity endeavor from when you promised if you

781
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: got one wrong that you donate to a charity and

782
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: then you wouldn't let us forget it for the next year.

783
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: All right, let's get our forks out. Here lies the

784
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans, who to be forked must technically exist. So

785
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: this is perhaps a good thing. Anyway, the Jake Locker

786
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: era conmercifully be sent to its own version of permanent

787
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: injured reserve. The Titoons are done. Oh Titans fans out there,

788
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: you probably hate us. I don't blame you. Usually I would, uh,

789
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: I would say you're being too sensitive. You know it's

790
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: not personal. But I don't blame the Titans fans for

791
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: taking it personally because Dan especially just keeps needling. There

792
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: was a there they're a team like any other team.

793
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: The yeah, I feel bad. This kind of got going

794
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: a little bit that they're whether they're real or not.

795
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: And there was a Titans fan on Twitter who, it

796
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: should be said, said that he was forking the Around

797
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast for not giving the Titans any respect.

798
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: But if you really want to be serious about the

799
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: reason why we make jokes and we kid is because

800
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: the Titans have zero identity. It's been that way for

801
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: several years now. This year has not been any different.

802
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: They are one or three, I believe, and they are

803
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: not showing any signs. And the Charlie white Chas white Hurst.

804
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: As much as we love the man, uh he is,

805
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: he's already started a game, which means Jake Locker was

806
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: already hurt. So that hasn't changed everything seems to be

807
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: the same in Tennessee, which is more of blandness. I

808
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: don't feel bad if you're a fan, you need to

809
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: be a grown up too, and grown ups think for themselves.

810
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 1: Don't blame a podcast. Find fault with your team's GM,

811
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: your team's owner, your team's coach, the people who make

812
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: the decisions, not some random pod. I'm glad you want there,

813
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: because I thought you're gonna say quit the team the

814
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: way you did the Bengals, and I don't like that.

815
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't know that any Titans fans can build up

816
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: a case that would be as strong as mine when

817
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: I left the band. I want to give Ken Wizzen

818
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: Hunt in the new GM and Ray Horton like a

819
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: little time to get it going. I don't really blame

820
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: them for the blandness that is their roster, but to me,

821
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 1: if if the Titans can be summed up in one player,

822
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: it's the player that's been there almost the longest. They

823
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: are the Nate Washington's team. They are best wide receiver

824
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: in your fantasy draft. They are six hundred yards and

825
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: four touchdowns. They're perfectly acceptable, and that's it. Uh TV

826
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: has a take I've said of the last couple of seasons.

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00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: The worst matchup in the NFL schedule is always the

828
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: Jags and the Titans. You have the worst team in

829
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: previous seasons and the most interesting and the team with

830
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: no identity. Worst matchup. Alright, so goodbye Titans. Next up

831
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: here lies the Oakland Raiders, who thought Matt shob would

832
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: take them to the super Bowl and now believe Tony

833
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: Tony Sperrano will take them to respectability. And Louis Flowers.

834
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: Please just try to visualize the Mark Davis joke I

835
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: would have used here had I been allowed. That sums

836
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: up my feeling the laugh dead last in scoring uh

837
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: not at last and scoring differential, the Jaguars are worse

838
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: than them, so you got that going for it. It's

839
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: really a battle for the spoiler alert. By dropping the Jacks,

840
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: not on purpose, could you pick a more uninspiring interim

841
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: coach than Tony Sperano. It was really If you wanted

842
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: to pick one guy that you know is going to

843
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: be twelve and done, it's the spa man. Yeah, it's like,

844
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: all right, so what are we gonna We're gonna see

845
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: a lot of wildcat now, well, they watched like a

846
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: lot of great offensive line play. They watched the two

847
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: thousand and twelve Jets offense and they said, I gotta

848
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: get me some of that, you know, let's get in

849
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: the mix. Or the old Dolphins teams that were just

850
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: brutal to watch. What about all the free agents they

851
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: brought in and the defense and paycheck veterans everything else.

852
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: Nothing worked everything. Maybe that's not how you build a team.

853
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: We heard for two years that Reggie mackenzie was the

854
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,479
Speaker 1: guy and once his hands were untied, that he would

855
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: be able to build a roster because he showed a

856
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: lot of potential in Green Bay. But then he was

857
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: given that opportunity and has been well documented. We don't

858
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: need to get into it too deep here. He went

859
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 1: and bought, as West says, a bunch of veterans that

860
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: were on the other side of their prime that we're

861
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: really in it for the money potentially, but just weren't

862
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: playing their best football anymore. And this is what happens,

863
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 1: and you don't have a quarterback, and then you don't

864
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: believe in your coach and you can iman things that

865
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: It's been bad for the Raiders for a long time.

866
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: But it's if I'm a Raiders fan I'm probably never

867
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: been more kind of depressed about the outlook of my

868
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: team than I am right now. If you are a

869
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: winning team and you bring in a corps of veterans

870
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: to help put you over the top, Patriots have done

871
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff with Junior say out and earlier

872
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,959
Speaker 1: than that with Roman five for and some other guys.

873
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: It makes sense. But when you're a losing team and

874
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: almost all of your players are new, what's what's there

875
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: to keep them interested? I was thinking, you know, all

876
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: the veterans signings haven't been that bad, Like I think

877
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: Justin Tucks played pretty well when I've watched, and I

878
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: was like, how's how's Lamar Woodley doing? He really am

879
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: not heard much too much of him, So I looked

880
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: up his stats. He started three games. In those three games,

881
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: he has a tackle. You know, he has one tackle

882
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: this season, Lamar Woodley. Lamar Woodley's stat line right now

883
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: is a tackle. So maybe Dennis Allen isn't smarter than

884
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: Dick Lebeu when he pointed out this offseason, Yeah, we

885
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: think that Dick lebo has been using him out of

886
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: position all along. I wish he's actually a defensive end,

887
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: not a not an outside linebacker. Come on, Dennis Allen,

888
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 1: I want the Raiders to be good again. It's it's

889
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: great for the NFL. I like their fan base. How

890
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: they're a little crazy. I know they drive you crazy. West.

891
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: I love a real international history, national fun team history.

892
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: I I love the organization until about ten years ago.

893
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: All Right, the Raiders do have a good afterlife. Someone

894
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,959
Speaker 1: to look forward to with stud wiki lineback Khalil. That's true.

895
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: Looks like a he hit a triple or maybe a

896
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: home run with that first round pick. Get to give

897
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: him that there's something to be positive about. And then

898
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: John Gruden is gonna be the coach and then go

899
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: back to the ball. Finally, here lies the Jacksonville Jaguars,

900
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: who honestly believed the man named Toby could be a

901
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: respected running back of the National Football League. And Louis

902
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: Flowers please make a donation to help disinfect that weird

903
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: see through pool at EverBank Fields. Sticking the shots on

904
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: necessary shots. I like that. Uh, we're not taping these

905
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: segments on camera because we know this is two native is.

906
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: We we could, we could, we could carry the water

907
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: and be positive, but we have to get negative. Sometimes

908
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: teams deserve it. Jaguars are another one. They you know what,

909
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: this one won't come back to han Us because Gus

910
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: Bradley's defense that he's built is just as bad as

911
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: it ever was under Mike Mularkey or Jack del Rio

912
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: or whatever. But Blake Bortles couldn't make us sweat for

913
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: a week. He gets on the run because I think

914
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: he's the real deal. And they're in a lousy division.

915
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: You know, some better days are ahead, that's all next year.

916
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: This year it has to get better because they were

917
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: one of the worst teams in NFL history, right, so

918
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 1: they could pull off a repeat of last year where

919
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: it got better and they finished with five wins or something.

920
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: But that means you go four and four in the

921
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: last day games or something like that. And I guess, yeah,

922
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: I guess if Bortles shows progress this year, maybe it

923
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 1: was a little premature to think this would be the

924
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: year they got better. Next year, if Bortles is healthy

925
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: and plays well down the stretch here, yeah, maybe there is.

926
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: What do they have to like on defense? So that's

927
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: the problem. What do they have to like defense? Well,

928
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: they're going to have the number two overall pick in

929
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: the draft. Maybe they can grab someone there. That's what

930
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: we're talking. They went all offense this year. They got

931
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: picked up receivers early quarterback. They need offensive linemen. This

932
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: year is I'm not even saying this like he's just

933
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: like this year is a resounding success. If Blake Bortles

934
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: is four fits as good as we think he is

935
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: getting and everything else, this year is going to be gravy. Alright.

936
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: So those are the three four teams. It's over. If

937
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: you're a fan of those teams, yea look toward next year.

938
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: Also over October one. Also Rams and Bucks fans, count

939
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 1: yourself lucky because I had you on the fork listing.

940
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: You were saved by one other member. We met, We

941
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: met and spoke about it. They just they are alive.

942
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 1: So if you're a fan of that team, be excited

943
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: those teams excited for your four and twelve season. West

944
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: this game, the stick of fork in the segment is

945
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: right up your alley. I love, I love it does

946
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 1: bring out the teeth. Uh. We'll move on finally before

947
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: we go the Thursday night game. The Green Bay Packers

948
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: at home, coming off a really nice win where they

949
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: got their mojo back a little bit against the Bears

950
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: now income the Vikings, who had a really nice win

951
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: of their own at home against the Falcons in which

952
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater looked great. The big question, and we don't

953
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: know because he's questionable for the game, is will Teddy

954
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: Bridgewater play has that ankle issue? Um, you know, if

955
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: he's fifty fifty play, I just we could have a situation, unfortunately,

956
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: where Christian Ponder is going into Lambeau Field in primetime.

957
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: We don't want that. We want to see more Teddy, right,

958
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: Christian Ponder does have history not of going into Lambeau

959
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: of winning, but of beating the Packers in a huge

960
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,959
Speaker 1: spot to send the Minnesota Vikings to the playoffs play

961
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: It doesn't get much bigger in the regular season. He

962
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: had over eight yards per throw in that game, three touchdowns.

963
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: Who knows, maybe Christians and he didn't even play the

964
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: next week. That was weird. They have to bring him

965
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: back from his banishment in Siberia to actually have him

966
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: start the game. I really hope Bridgewater plays because he

967
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 1: had about as exciting to first start as you could have.

968
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: I know you watched them closely, Chris, I thought he

969
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: was even more impressive than Blake Bortles last week. I

970
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: agree with the caveat that Bordles was actually running a

971
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: full offense and North Turner called a great game and

972
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: basically did what the Bills were supposed to try and

973
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: successfully to do with manual. He gave him a lot

974
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: of play action, a lot of in turning routes, slants, curls,

975
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: uh crossers, and Bridgewater I'm sure he saw the same thing.

976
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: His accuracy between the numbers was incredible. Well, he didn't

977
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: face any pressure, so you're not going to get that

978
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: most games. I mean, the Falcons pass thresh was totally absent.

979
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: Bridgewater could do what he wanted, but he was so

980
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: accurate and the thing that I didn't know because I

981
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: didn't watch him as much, and he's just such a

982
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: good improviser when the play does break down in terms

983
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: of getting away from pressure and the spin moves and

984
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: the speed and then throwing on the run or scrambling,

985
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: which is why I don't like the comparisons pre draft

986
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: to Andy Dalton, because that's Andy Dalton's big weakness facing pressure.

987
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: I thought Bridgewater looked great and and even for all

988
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: that coaching that Norv Turner did more like a poor man,

989
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, just without the big all right, all right,

990
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: for all that coaching North did, when the Falcons came

991
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: back to take to leave, they kind of they kind

992
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: of took the shackles off a Bridgewater and let him play,

993
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: and he came back and moved the offense really well,

994
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: what's got what got lost in that game was Bridge

995
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: writer and just play. Well. They had five hundred and

996
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: fifty eight yards of offense that was against an NFL defense,

997
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: so it wasn't just Bridge Technically. Jerick McKinnon looked great,

998
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: look pretty sweet and as YadA seventy. You know, they

999
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: rushed for two hundred and forty yards in that game.

1000
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: But I don't think this is a walk over for

1001
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 1: Green Bay. I think we know who Matt Aziada is.

1002
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: He had a good game because of the defense he

1003
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: was facing. But if Jared McKinnon can be a weapon

1004
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: on a on a weekly basis, that's big. You know

1005
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: how fast McKinnon is. He's the type of fast that

1006
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: he can slow down in the middle of his run

1007
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: and just start sort of gliding while he's sort of

1008
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: looking at what everyone else is doing, and they just,

1009
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: you know, go buy him, and then he speeds back

1010
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: up might be the best running back in the NFL.

1011
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: Who needs Adrian Peterson. But anyway, I think, all right,

1012
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,919
Speaker 1: we just talked about the Vikings almost the whole time,

1013
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: but do any of us think that they're gonna pull

1014
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: it off here? It's kind of hard to pick them

1015
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: with is playing. I think this they have been equal

1016
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: equally good as the Packers this year overall as a team.

1017
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: And for those for those of you on Twitter that

1018
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: have pointed out that the pack the Vikings should be

1019
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: a team of a t L consideration, We'll see what

1020
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: happens after this game. M I don't know that Peterson

1021
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: thing is. It's tough, It's bad, all right. So that's

1022
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: it for today's version today's edition of the Around the

1023
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: NFL podcast. We will be back Thursday night. A quick turnaround.

1024
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna preview all of Week five games, go over

1025
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Green Bay game and talk about that with

1026
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 1: the gentleman that will be covering that for the run

1027
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: of the NFL team. But until then, this is Dan

1028
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: Hansis signing off for the Mailman, the Boss and t

1029
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: D behind the glass. Until Thursday. Here lies the Oakland

1030
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: Raiders who thought Matt Shop would take them to the

1031
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: super Bowl and now believe Tony soprano. Let me do

1032
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: that again. Sorry he's not sperrano. Okay, okay,