1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Kitty Kuric and this is next question. 2 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: Talk about a superstar lineup. Natalie Portman, Julianne Moore, Charles Melton, 3 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: Todd Haynes. They're the talent behind May December, the gripping 4 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: psychological thriller directed by Haines and written by first time 5 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: screenwriter Sammy Birch. It's getting a lot of attention and 6 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: it's been nominated for three Golden Globes. The movie is 7 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: partially based on the shocking story of Mary Kay Latourno. 8 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: If you're not old enough to remember, she was the 9 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: school teacher from a suburb of Seattle who went to 10 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: prison in the nineties after beginning a relationship with one 11 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: of her students. At the time, she was thirty four 12 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: and he was twelve. May December imagines a similar couple, 13 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: Gracie and Joe, played by Julianne Moore and Charles Melton, 14 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: and years after their relationship began, what would their life 15 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: be like now, how did their story unfold, and what 16 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: would happen if an actress Natalie Portman showed up to 17 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: research her role portraying Gracie in an upcoming movie. That's 18 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: how May December begins. It's a strange, twisty tale of love, 19 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: lust and a not exactly age appropriate relationship given the 20 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: Todd Haynes treatment. I interviewed the group following a screening 21 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: and it was a fascinating conversation. I hope you enjoyed listening. 22 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: To it, Natalie. 23 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: I know that your production company originally found the script 24 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: for this film and brought it to Todd. Why did 25 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: you believe he would be the right person to tell 26 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: this story? 27 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 3: I kind of think Todd could tell any story beautifully. 28 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: And such an admirer of his, I've wanted to work 29 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 3: with him my entire career, and I've tried to times 30 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 3: before unsuccessfully, and had sent him things in the past. 31 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: And when I read Sammy's script, I was so blown 32 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 3: away by how she was able to do so much 33 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 3: with such kind of sparse language, like it almost it 34 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 3: revealed itself every day when we were shooting it, their 35 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 3: new subtext would just kind of come out through the 36 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 3: silences and what was between all of the lines, which 37 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 3: is so rare. And Todd is such a master of 38 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 3: female complexity and also performance related to identity. I mean, 39 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 3: it was such a great luck that he took to 40 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 3: it and Todd when you first read Sammy script, and Sammy, 41 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 3: I'll get to you in a second because I can't 42 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 3: wait to find out your story. 43 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: What did you think about it? 44 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 4: I thought it was brilliant and devious, and that it 45 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 4: put the reins into the It trusted the reader. You know, 46 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 4: it's so rare and and someone so young and so 47 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 4: you know, to have that confidence to really let the 48 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 4: reader navigate against themselves and the and the knowledges that 49 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 4: we bring in the you know, the fluency that we 50 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 4: bring to watching movies and all the expectations we have 51 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 4: for who to trust and who not to trust. And 52 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 4: so it very quickly became inspiring to me. And as 53 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 4: to how to turn it into a film, I will 54 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 4: just add the idea of being able to cast dorg 55 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 4: Unaley finally in something so complex and so witty, and 56 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 4: then to have the second role sitting right there. 57 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: This is your fifth collaboration, isn't it. Yeah, we'll talk 58 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: about that in a moment. But Sammy, this is Sammy. 59 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: This is your first come on woman, this is your 60 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: first screenplay. You've got to tell I mean, tell me 61 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: about yourself. I know that the story of Mary Kay 62 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: letourno was the seed of this? How did this whole 63 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: story come to you? Just tell us a little bit 64 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: about why it struck you and why you wanted to 65 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: kind of dig into this topic. 66 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think we're in such an interesting 67 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 5: time right now with you know, re looking at all 68 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 5: these nineties tabloid culture, you know, these stories and kind 69 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 5: of picking them up again and a lot of times 70 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 5: retelling them the same way, I guess, and I think, 71 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 5: or in. 72 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: Some cases through a different lens. 73 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 5: I absolutely right, absolutely sometimes looking at them through the 74 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 5: lens of now and how people were treated unfairly. But 75 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 5: I think the seed really was this idea of thinking 76 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 5: about that couple. I knew that they had kids, and 77 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 5: at a certain point I thought, oh, they're probably adults, 78 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 5: these kids, And this image of an empty house kind 79 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 5: of came to me of just you know, being an 80 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 5: empty nester at thirty six years old or you know, 81 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,559 Speaker 5: mid thirty, which is really young enough to start over. 82 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 5: And so that was kind of the jumping off point 83 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 5: of wanting to look at a couple like that with 84 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 5: twenty years different, so there's just more air and more 85 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 5: room and breath. 86 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: Reworry when people were watching this film they would remember 87 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: that actual story, or that they would be able to 88 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: make a leap that this was, as Julianne told me 89 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: recently inspired by it. But it wasn't that story, you. 90 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 4: Know, as Sammy was sort of saying, I think I 91 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 4: took it and I sort of accepted and as the 92 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 4: sort of cultural raw material that we all share, right, 93 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 4: but that it was something that could be interpreted as 94 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 4: a fiction anew And the brilliant structure of the script 95 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 4: is that it's set all these years later, so it's 96 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 4: really about the excavation into the past and breaking through 97 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,679 Speaker 4: those barriers that have been erected to protect this family 98 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 4: from that event in the role of this curious actress 99 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 4: who we think we trust. 100 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 6: And then things start. 101 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: To get crazy. 102 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the characters in a moment, 103 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: but I did want to ask Julianne about your working 104 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: relationship with Todd, as I said, this is the fifth collaboration, 105 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,239 Speaker 1: so talk to us about why this works so well? 106 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 7: Oh man, I don't mean I'm so lucky. I don't know, 107 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 7: I have no idea. I accept that. I mean I 108 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 7: think that that we have a shared sensibility, you know, 109 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 7: and from the very beginning when I auditioned for Safe. 110 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 7: I remember I had a very clear idea of how 111 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 7: I thought it should be performed, and I was desperate 112 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 7: to get the job, really just desperate. But there was 113 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 7: only one way I could see doing it. And I 114 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 7: thought to myself, if he doesn't like it, then I'm 115 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 7: just not the person for the job. And he did, 116 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 7: and that was what And I think we've had that 117 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 7: in all of our collaborations, where I feel like I'm 118 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 7: able to understand and he's also able to very very 119 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 7: clearly communicate what he wants, you know, to me through 120 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 7: his direction in his storytelling. You know, Todd gives you 121 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 7: tremendous scaffolding and context for absolutely everything you're doing, and 122 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 7: so it's like. 123 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 8: He does all the work for you. So I feel 124 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 8: like I'm just the recipient. 125 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: Okay, you're shaking your head, Can you go and say no? 126 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 4: I mean, I had this extraordinary fortune of meeting a 127 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 4: creative counterpart so early on in my career. You know, 128 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 4: it was my second feature, and Juliet had a career 129 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 4: on television and then was moving into film. But I 130 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 4: didn't know your work. I saw shortcuts it was about 131 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 4: to come out and people were like talking about this actor, 132 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 4: Julianne Moore, and I didn't realize how challenging that character 133 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 4: was until you embodied it, Like how almost impossible it 134 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 4: was to play until she understood the other side of 135 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 4: the mirror, right, And that's been what I've been experiencing 136 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 4: you ever since. And I've said this, you know, I 137 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 4: talk a lot about julian Natalie and Charles and these actors, 138 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 4: but I learned something from Julie. 139 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 6: Every time we return to. 140 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 4: A project, there's things that happen in the room that 141 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 4: I can'tnot see until I watch it on film. So 142 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 4: there's this understanding of the medium that is just extrasensory deep. 143 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: Up next, Julianna and Natalie give us a sneak peek 144 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: into their process. How did they go about portraying these 145 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: fascinating and unusual women. That's right after this. 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How would you 155 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: describe Gracey? 156 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 7: Well, I mean, it's funny that you said that too, 157 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 7: because of course, you know, back to Sammy's script, it 158 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 7: was deceptively simple, you know, I mean it was really 159 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 7: really clean. And I read this and I'm like, oh, 160 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 7: I got it, I got it. I got this, no problem. 161 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 7: And then I started working on it and I called 162 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 7: Todd and I was like, oh, I don't think I 163 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 7: could do this. This is really hard. She's really complicated. 164 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 7: And I think that what Sammy has done so beautifully 165 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 7: in the script is that, you know, everyone is so 166 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 7: desperate to express their narrative, to tell their story, and 167 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 7: no one more so than Gracey. 168 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 8: And Gracie's narrative is so complicated. And there was. 169 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 7: Something in the script where I kept stumbling as I 170 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 7: was working on it. She was so well, Gracie was 171 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 7: very kind of commanding in her house, and I was like, 172 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 7: I don't get it. She doesn't seem like a mother 173 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 7: to me. She doesn't seem like she's in control. And 174 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 7: then I started thinking it's because I was like, oh, oh, 175 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 7: it's like, she's not the she's not the mom, she's 176 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 7: not the queen. She's a princess. She's a princess who 177 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 7: was rescued by her prince, and her prince was thirteen 178 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 7: years old, and in order to make that work, she 179 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 7: has to elevate him to being an adult, and she 180 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 7: remains a child. She's forever that princess. So she's not 181 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 7: the mom. She's a little girl with apron on a 182 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 7: wooden spoon in her hand, you know, saying, and she's 183 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 7: going to keep that's her that's her story. She's sticking 184 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 7: to it. And the distance between that narrative and the 185 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 7: huge transgression that occurred is vast, and there's so much 186 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 7: tension in between, and that's where all that emotional volatility happens, 187 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 7: so that when she's alone, you know, she just falls apart. 188 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 7: So I was like, oh, whoa, Sammy, whoa. 189 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: And it's it. They're all trying to convince themselves they're happy. 190 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 1: And I'm curious about Natalie your role. You describe Elizabeth 191 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: as so slippery. What do you mean by that exactly? 192 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: And how would you describe her because she's so complicated too. 193 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 3: Yes, well, I think she's slippery all as Gracie is 194 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 3: as well, because there's at different points, and that's part 195 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 3: of the brilliance of Sammy script. There's different points where 196 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 3: you're with each of them and then they lose you. 197 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 3: You know, you're with them and you kind of believe 198 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 3: their version of the truth, like Julie was saying, and 199 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 3: then you. 200 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 8: Realize that they've been manipulating you. 201 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 3: And I was just struck so much by the levels 202 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 3: of artifice and performance and the embrace of that, and 203 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 3: Todd's brilliance of using all of these mirror scenes and 204 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 3: using the camera as the mirror so that even when 205 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 3: they're looking at themselves, it's performance. That it's like always 206 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 3: performance and you're just trying to ravel and find like, 207 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 3: someone tell me the truth, And of course then Charles 208 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: brilliantly is like true and honest, and you're so relieved 209 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: because no one else is telling you anything to get deal, 210 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 3: and so it's just, yeah, a beautiful construction that Sammy 211 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 3: made for us. 212 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: Even though that's a perfect segue to Charles, I have 213 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: to ask you and Julianne about the nature of your relationship. 214 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: When you all are that makeup scene speaking of mirrors, 215 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: I expected you to start making out for some reason, 216 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: and like I. 217 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 8: Kind of heard sexual at tension. 218 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 2: What did Natalie saying? 219 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 8: I wanted to? 220 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: I mean, how would you describe the dynamic between these 221 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: two women. It's so it's such an interesting dance, isn't it. 222 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think they're in a struggle for dominance. You know, 223 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 7: it's like who's going to tell this story? And I 224 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 7: think the interesting thing for me as as Gracie is 225 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 7: that her need, her desperation to tell that story and 226 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 7: to have Elizabeth believe that story is so strong that 227 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 7: she's going to do about everything she can to make 228 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 7: her believe that, and including seducing her in a way. 229 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 7: You know, seduction is another form of power, right, But 230 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 7: what Natalie did so brilliantly as an actor and as 231 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 7: a character as a colleague is that she managed to 232 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 7: you know, it's like, you know, Gracie can experience as 233 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 7: Elizabeth mimicking her. She sees her copy her gestures and 234 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 7: movement and her dress, and. 235 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 8: She approves of it. 236 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 7: It feels good because she's like she's seeing me, like 237 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 7: I want to be seen right, So. 238 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 8: I feel a character that way. 239 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 7: But then when I watched the movie and I see 240 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 7: Natalie doing all this kind of crazy, like really commenting 241 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 7: on you know, managing to imitate me and then comment 242 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 7: on it when Gracie doesn't see, I was like, it 243 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 7: killed me. 244 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 8: It's so good, It's absolutely beautiful. 245 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 7: So anyway, she was a tremendous partner, a great colleague, 246 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 7: and we had the best time together. 247 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: It was so fun to watch you too at work 248 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: and just get lost in the roles, but also at 249 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: the same time admire your incredible artistry and portraying these 250 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 1: crazy ass women. 251 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 8: Thank you. I just had to say that Julie's like my. 252 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 3: All time like favorite actress, and I just was so 253 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 3: dying to work with her and to get to do 254 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 3: this together and realize how kind she was, generous and 255 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 3: fun with all of it made it so possible to 256 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 3: do all this nasty stuff to each other because it 257 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 3: was like so safe when we were off camera, you know, 258 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 3: was very clearly just playing together. 259 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: I understand it was shot in twenty three days. How 260 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: much rehearsing did you all do? 261 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 9: So we had twenty three days to film and how 262 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 9: many days to rehearse, zero days to rehearse. But leading 263 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 9: up to filming in Savannah, Georgia, Todd would put together 264 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 9: these dinners and we would just hang out with each 265 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 9: other and get to know each other on a human level. 266 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 9: And there was just this complete trust in Todd and 267 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 9: the set that he built, in the atmosphere that he built, 268 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 9: and we were all in this together. And I was 269 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 9: so lucky to be with Natalie and Julie and just 270 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 9: have the best scene partners, the masters of their craft, 271 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 9: being led by Todd. So it was very every minute, 272 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 9: every second mattered and counted when we were filming, and 273 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 9: there's just some everyone brought their best and was elevated by. 274 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: When we come back up and coming star Charles Melton 275 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: on getting inside of Joe's head, and screenwriter Sammy Birch 276 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: on watching her script come to life and we're back 277 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: with the cast of May December. Well, you know you're 278 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: getting a lot of attention Charles for your role, and 279 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: I know that you just received the Gotham Award for 280 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: Best Supporting Actor last night, so congratulations. Joe really is 281 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: a fascinating, again complicated character. He's more honest perhaps Natalie, 282 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: but he's still sort of simmering and you can't quite 283 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: read what he's thinking, although towards the end I think 284 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: he's like, holy shit, what have I gotten myself into? 285 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: Right when he's watching the graduation. But tell us a 286 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: little bit about how you approached this role. Did you 287 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: read about Mary kay Laturno? I mean, how did you 288 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: think about it? 289 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 7: Yeah? 290 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 9: There was there's so much source material to look at, 291 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 9: but it really just started with Samy's script. I mean 292 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 9: there was just so much in between the text, and 293 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 9: I kind of saw this vast arena to explore with 294 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 9: Joe and the sensibility of him having so much responsibility 295 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 9: at thirteen, being a father. That mixed in with just 296 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 9: public perception and you know, being a loving husband, and 297 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 9: you know, I kind of looked at certain things in 298 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 9: my life personally that I could apply or find a 299 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 9: parallel to that wasn't so much the same experience, but 300 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 9: the filling was similar. You know, my dad was in 301 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 9: the army. I was an Army brat, and when I 302 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 9: was eleven years old, he sat me down the night 303 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 9: before he left to go to the Gulf War. I'm sorry, 304 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 9: Desert storm. He did go to the golf wur but 305 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 9: desert storm, and you know, it was like, you know, 306 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 9: to step up and take care of my two younger sisters. 307 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 2: You're the man of the house. 308 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And like as a kid, you want 309 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 9: to step up to the plate, you know, when your 310 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 9: hero's telling you this, you want to do whatever you can. 311 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 9: And in a way I could find draw that parallel 312 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 9: with Joe for his kids and stepping up to the plate, 313 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 9: and for Gracie too, So that was a little bit 314 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 9: of what I looked at. 315 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, you put on thirty pounds for the role, 316 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: and I know, Todd, when you first consider Charles, who 317 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: were like, there's no way. Why did you not think 318 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: he was right for the role? 319 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 4: Initially because he was so unimaginably handsome. I was like, 320 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 4: there are no real people like that in walking, you know, 321 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 4: through Tybee Island, Georgia. 322 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: Why did you put on thirty pounds? Did you feel 323 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: like you had to have a dad bought or something. 324 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 9: I just wanted to enjoy life. No, But Todd and 325 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 9: I we had a few conversations of what Joe not 326 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 9: so much looked like, but what he would feel like, 327 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 9: and it was kind of just you know, the uh, 328 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 9: the green lights to just really go in and have 329 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 9: five guys every night, pizza, ice cream, ranch, just. 330 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: Out of a cup. 331 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 9: I was eating it all. 332 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 8: It was great. 333 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 2: He was sort of sadly stunted, wasn't he sure? 334 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's like a. 335 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: Larval state, this man speaking of monarch butterflies. Yeah. 336 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 4: And the thing about what Charles you know, did is 337 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 4: that I saw his picture, but then I saw his tapes, 338 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 4: his self tape with Laura rose On, my casting director, 339 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 4: and we were like, wait a minute, this is we 340 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 4: saw some great actress for the role of Joe, But no, buddy, 341 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 4: did this. Nobody approached it with such a minute sense 342 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 4: of present tense where it was somebody pre verbal. It 343 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 4: was somebody who hadn't yet learned how to see themselves 344 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 4: and see what was going on. And that's what this 345 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 4: film needed, because these were two women who were so 346 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 4: adept at telling stories to get them through their lives. 347 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 6: And also couldn't see themselves as a result. 348 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 4: But you know, but that was their practice, that was 349 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 4: their career, that was their profession. And then the third 350 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 4: act opens up a space for Joe to begin to 351 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 4: exist and take those tiny steps forward. 352 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: Sammy, can you tell us a little bit about yourself. 353 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: I mean, how weird is it sitting on this stage 354 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: with all these people, and what has this experience been like? 355 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: Just tell us about you. That was a very that 356 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: was a very Barbara Walters question. Go ahead, Well, it's 357 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: been very surreal obvious. 358 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 5: I mean, obviously this is very surreal, and and even 359 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 5: more so because the very first conversation with with Jessica Albaum, 360 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 5: the first producer attached with her and Will Ferrell, it 361 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 5: was the day before the pandemic shut down. So then 362 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 5: everything that followed was very kind of like I was 363 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 5: in my apartment still, but then it was like, oh, 364 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 5: Todd Haynes is interested, We're going to zoom with him 365 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 5: and Natalie Portman. I was like, okay, you know, like 366 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 5: there's like a sort of unreality to it. But but 367 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 5: from the beginning too, it's. 368 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: Just been. 369 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 5: So amazing with these people who are you know, artists. 370 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 5: I've have meant the world to me their work, and 371 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 5: then to find out they're also so kind and funny 372 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 5: and generous, and and to get to watch up close, 373 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 5: you know, the process of Todd. 374 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 2: Making a movie. 375 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's really it's quite amazing congratulations. It's 376 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: an incredible story and I'm so thrilled for you. But 377 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: sort of as a closing thought, you know, I think 378 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,719 Speaker 1: when I watched this movie, I was left with so 379 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: many more questions than answers. You know, was Gracie sexually assaulted? 380 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: You know? Is Elizabeth just this horrific narcissist who wants 381 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: to wreak havoc wherever she goes and destroy people's lives? 382 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 7: You know? 383 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: Was She's a question? Yeah? Was Charles? You know? Was 384 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 2: was Joe? Sorry, Charles? 385 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: You know, just as I said, sort of tragically stunted? 386 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 2: Was he happy? Or did he? 387 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 1: Does he not even understand what happiness is? And I 388 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: guess the question is anybody can take this who wants to? 389 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: But was that the goal in a way to leave 390 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: things leave you questioning? Because I kept thinking about these 391 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: characters after I saw the film and really wondering about 392 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: them and what made them tick? And is that sort 393 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: of the goal todd of a film like this to 394 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: leave things so enigmatic and unclear in a way? 395 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 4: You know, this script in this project reminded me of 396 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 4: the way films that I saw when I was young 397 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 4: that triggered questions There were maybe a little beyond my 398 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 4: grasp when I was the age I saw them, but 399 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 4: that made you want to revisit them and made you 400 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 4: want to see them again and think about them and 401 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 4: talk about them with your friends. 402 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 6: And that's what movies are to me. You know, movies 403 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 6: are about asking questions that aren't easy to answer. They 404 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 6: stay in your head that keep you. 405 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 4: Going back and wondering and re examining them. And I 406 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 4: think that's true for classic Hollywood, the great classic Hollywood films, 407 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 4: for European art cinema, for independent film. 408 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 6: Those are the films that, you know, keep me inspired. 409 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 4: So this film, this project, and working with these guys 410 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 4: and my whole crew, was an. 411 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 6: Example of that. 412 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: I have one other quick question, which is the music, 413 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: which is so almost another character in the film, and 414 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: I saw that it was Michelle Legrand, who died in 415 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and then I read that this was actually 416 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: the score of a movie that was made in nineteen 417 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: seventy one. Can you just explain that and how you 418 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: repurposed it or how that worked. 419 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 4: This is Marcelo's Arvis's, my composer's adaptation based on the 420 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 4: score from the Go Between nineteen seventy one Joseph Lozi 421 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 4: Film and Julie Christine Alan Bates and I saw the 422 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 4: film when I was I think when it came out 423 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 4: when I was young. But I saw it again on 424 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 4: TCM last year while I was doing my image book 425 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 4: and putting together references for this movie, and the score 426 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 4: just knocked my socks off and put me on the 427 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 4: lyric and made me question the film that would unfold. 428 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 4: And I thought, that is along with the sort of restraint, 429 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 4: alongside the kind of restraint of the camera and the 430 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 4: observational style of this film, that's sort of someone else steer. 431 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 6: I wanted something very strong. 432 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 4: To trigger the audience to be like excited or invited 433 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 4: into a process of thinking and questioning. But that would 434 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 4: be pleasurable, you know, that would be like an enigma 435 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 4: that you were trying to solve as you were watching it. 436 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 6: So that was that we used that film. We use 437 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 6: that music while. 438 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 4: We shot the film as an example of what the 439 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 4: music might be in the end. Oh really, then yes, 440 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 4: We shot it from the very first shot that we 441 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 4: set up. It was used through the entire film, every 442 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 4: queue from Michell La Grand's score, and then it became 443 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 4: part of the DNA of this film, so we couldn't. 444 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 6: I had to go to Marcelo and. 445 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 4: Say and say, dude, can we can we adapt it 446 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 4: and make it your own and he. 447 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 6: Did just that well. 448 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,479 Speaker 1: It really added so much, obviously to the film. Congratulations 449 00:24:58,520 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: to all of you. It was fann. 450 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 451 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening everyone. 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