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Speaker 1: Welcome and everybody to a Monday edition of Texans All Access,

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Speaker 1: A back home in Houston edition of Texans All Access

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Speaker 1: John Harris alongside the voice of the Texans Mark Vannimir. Mark.

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Speaker 1: I know this weekend wasn't so great for you, but

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Speaker 1: I had to feel good to be back home. No,

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Speaker 1: it was. It was good. Other than the Sunday praying

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Speaker 1: to the porcelain God session that I had an all

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Speaker 1: day of fair Johnny, too many details to share, sorry,

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Speaker 1: but I feel great now. I feel much better. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's funny when you feel really sick, and it was

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Speaker 1: a stomach bug, like a twenty four hour thing, but

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Speaker 1: really intense. When you feel really bad and you start

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Speaker 1: to feel a little bit better, it just feels so

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Speaker 1: much better to be on the way up again. You know,

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Speaker 1: everyone can relate to this. So I feel much better

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Speaker 1: now and I'll be back in full swing tomorrow. I'm

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Speaker 1: kind of, you know, working sort of undercover today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: no doubt. We will have for you later in the

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Speaker 1: show a little Combine clearinghouse. We got so much great

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Speaker 1: stuff from the combine and that we if we gotta

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Speaker 1: share it with you, So we're gonna hear a little

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Speaker 1: bit more from Dave mccinnis, who does the Color Next

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Speaker 1: start a good friend Mike Keith up in Tennessee coach.

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Speaker 1: We call him coach because he's coached everywhere. He's coach

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Speaker 1: with Jeff Fisher, he's been head coach, David's court. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you name it, he's been around. He's from Snyder, Texas,

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Speaker 1: and I guess if you're from Texas, you probably say

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Speaker 1: Schneid or Texas. So we're gont here from Dave Miennis

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Speaker 1: and we'll also have a little bit more with J. P.

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Speaker 1: Shad Rick, who we always have a blast talking to

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Speaker 1: you from Jaguars dot Com. He does college football games.

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Speaker 1: He had a chance to do do the iron balls past

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Speaker 1: year and it was funny in our conversation. Mark. One

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Speaker 1: thing that JP didn't bring up with us that I

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Speaker 1: think is vital. The whole world changes. If Tank Bigsby,

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Speaker 1: running back for Auburn, does not go out of bounds

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Speaker 1: late in that game, Alabama has no way winning that game.

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Speaker 1: If Tank Bigsby stays in bounds, and the whole thing changes,

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Speaker 1: George is probably undefeated and they still in the National Championship.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a different team gets in the playoff. The whole

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Speaker 1: world changes with that about the exactly the heisman changes.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it goes to Aiden Hutchinson. The whole world changes.

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Speaker 1: So that was one thing we didn't get into a JP,

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Speaker 1: but we'll get into plenty with JP Shadow we mark.

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Speaker 1: There's so much to happen this weekend. There's so much

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Speaker 1: that's happened today. I just figured let's do a little

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Speaker 1: let's do a little gut reaction to what we have

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Speaker 1: seen thus far. I'll start with the combine and I'll

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Speaker 1: start with Saturday, six six, three hundred and forty one pound.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Davis ran a four seven eight forty. He posted

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Speaker 1: a ten three broad jump, and he had a thirty

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Speaker 1: two inch vertical. I believe your gut reaction to seeing

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Speaker 1: a man that large do the things that men a

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Speaker 1: hundred pounds or more smaller can't do. Well. If you

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Speaker 1: graded on the curve, isn't that maybe the fastest time ever? Yes? Right,

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Speaker 1: pound for pound, if you want to call it that.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the greatest athletic feats at the combine

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Speaker 1: there's ever been. If you handicap this, and it happens

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Speaker 1: in certain sports like sailboat racing with the non one

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Speaker 1: designs cruise boats. Johnny, I could go for hours on this,

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Speaker 1: but I won't, just to save everybody's ears, you handicapped them.

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Speaker 1: This boat's faster than that one. Therefore you have to

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Speaker 1: beat them by an hour, even after like a one

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Speaker 1: could be a few a few tenths of a second slower,

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Speaker 1: but be the fastest guy pound for pound. And that

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Speaker 1: was remarkable to see, Johnny. You were telling me Thursday

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Speaker 1: night you were in the bowl, these times are ridiculous,

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Speaker 1: and they were. Now the unofficial times were off the charts.

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Speaker 1: We had the four two one, which didn't hold up.

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Speaker 1: It was a four two eight. We saw a lot

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Speaker 1: of really fast times officially, though. You tell me you

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Speaker 1: the case. Right, So these guys who choose to run

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Speaker 1: if I think it's gonna be a fast track, why

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Speaker 1: don't I just run here? Because I can do it

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Speaker 1: in front of everybody. I'm in prime time whatever that's worth.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not getting any more nil money, I think,

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Speaker 1: at least all the time being. But maybe I get

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Speaker 1: a faster time on that track. Yeah, and you have

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Speaker 1: I think it was Mike Gorst choose the He's the

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Speaker 1: forty guy. He's the scout from the Steelers who blows

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Speaker 1: the whistle if a guy has faulted or what he is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's a forty yard dash DEMI guy if

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Speaker 1: you will. I mean, he's just he said to the

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Speaker 1: guys heading miked up, and he said that the guys

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Speaker 1: and then you know, I have to run forties for

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Speaker 1: the rest of your life like you do it. And

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Speaker 1: you're right, it's hard to make that decision the day of.

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Speaker 1: But man, I saw it the first the first night

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Speaker 1: I'm watching Calvin Austin from Memphis, and I saw him run.

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Speaker 1: I was like, wow, But they don't show the times

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Speaker 1: oh man, he just ran four three two, But there

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Speaker 1: were twelve dbs that ran sub four four. One of

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Speaker 1: them is Terik Woolen who ran four to eight I

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Speaker 1: Zia mccollumn from out of sam Houston State ran four

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Speaker 1: put on an absolute show. He ran a six four

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Speaker 1: it was a fast track watch. It really sort of

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Speaker 1: proved out. But the other thing marked with it. Jordan

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Speaker 1: Davis at six six three forty one ran a four

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Speaker 1: He ran a four to five one and put on

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Speaker 1: a show. Athletically, linebackers all three of them, yes, three linebackers.

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Speaker 1: The backup Channing Tindall ran four four two, the backup

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Speaker 1: Cine ran a four three seven. That was the Georgia defense.

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Speaker 1: it was ridiculous. You and Andre thought that they could

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Speaker 1: exactly right, and it could have. I don't think so,

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Speaker 1: the Texans offense the way its struggled, I think would

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Speaker 1: But that's besides the point. Johnny. One little thing here.

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Speaker 1: When the combine moved from the RCA Dome to Lucas Soil,

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if the times didn't slow down, but didn't

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Speaker 1: But I'm watching these times and I'm thinking these two.

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Speaker 1: four three three. It was there are some fast dudes

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Speaker 1: doing work. Baylor Bears, Oh buddy, they got it done.

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Speaker 1: Kitlin Barnes ran a four two three the corner. You

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Speaker 1: also had J. T. Woods who ran four three eight.

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Speaker 1: Taekwon Thornton. We saw run and unofficially it's four two one.

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Speaker 1: It came out officially as four to eight. But they

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Speaker 1: had three guys the first time at the Combine that

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Speaker 1: three players from same school went sub four four and

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Speaker 1: that was Baylor at this Combine. That's crazy, Johnny Wooland

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Speaker 1: his game. And every game that I saw him, Mark,

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Speaker 1: he blew a coverage. He blew a coverage, and you

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Speaker 1: But it's hard, it is really hard to not just

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just ridiculous what Tuik Woollen was able

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Speaker 1: you'll be able to have a gut reaction to this one. Mark.

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Speaker 1: It's not earth shattering, but in our world interesting Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: Colts tight end Jack Doyle has retired. Your gut reaction. Well,

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Speaker 1: Jack Doyle hasn't been himself lately. I don't have the

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Speaker 1: But I don't feel like he's been the huge factor

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Speaker 1: Johnny with the way and when players are retiring, some players,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't surprise me if anybody retires if they feel

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Speaker 1: like they've made their money. And Doyle never broke the bag.

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Speaker 1: But Doyle made some good money and if he put

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Speaker 1: it away, maybe he has some other plans for his future,

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Speaker 1: his career, because these guys all retire as a young

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Speaker 1: men in a layman's sense, and good for him. You know. Look,

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like, oh great, now we can go

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Speaker 1: get the Colts because Doyle's gone. It's not like that.

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Speaker 1: Even Hilton going away is not going to make me

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Speaker 1: feel that way. Now. If Jonathan Taylor decided to step

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Speaker 1: something different going on, don't we Yes, very true. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, Jonathan Taylor five eleven, two twenty six

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Speaker 1: not only being from Texas but also playing high school

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Speaker 1: ball in Texas. It's probably hard to encapsulate. I know

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Speaker 1: people ask me a lot because I played my high

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Speaker 1: school ball there. What does it mean to have grown

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Speaker 1: up in Texas, to have coached in Texas, to have

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Speaker 1: played your high school ball in Texas. Oh, it's an

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Speaker 1: essential part of your life growing up. You know, I

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Speaker 1: grew up Snyder, Texas as a small town eleven thousand,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty one one hundred and fifty now

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Speaker 1: that I'm sitting here with y'all, and the thing about

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Speaker 1: it is, it's just it's just in your DNA growing up.

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Speaker 1: If you're going to be an athlete, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: a male athlete in West Texas or in Texas. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna play football if if you're able to, and it

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Speaker 1: meant everything. The other thing is that that was really

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Speaker 1: important that I think people don't understand. Sometimes when I played,

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Speaker 1: when you start out in youth football, the high school

442
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,239
Speaker 1: coach in our small town controlled everything football wise, So

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Speaker 1: you are running the same system from eight years old

444
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 1: until you get you leave at eighteen. Yeah, and so

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00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: they are able to find out pretty quick. You know

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Speaker 1: you don't want this kid, you know, Mark, this looks

447
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Speaker 1: like this. This dude, this dude can play safety and

448
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: receiver for us? Are they? They? They they push you

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Speaker 1: into the areas that you're going to excel in the best,

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Speaker 1: and then you work that that way the whole time.

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Speaker 1: And then plus everything is focused on it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and it's so important. You've got so much support now,

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Speaker 1: not only from your own family. I grew up in

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Speaker 1: a single family household, so you know, my high school

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Speaker 1: coach and my junior high coaches and all my coaches,

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Speaker 1: those are my father figures growing up. But you've got

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Speaker 1: such a great community support there with what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: And then by the time, I mean, you know, I

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Speaker 1: had a full ride to TCU, was recruited by all

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Speaker 1: the Southwest Conference schools. But when you get be able

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Speaker 1: to get to college, you have a work ethic. You

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Speaker 1: know how important it is. You know, so it's not

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Speaker 1: a shock to you. But you grow up with it.

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00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: You did the same thing. You just grow up with it.

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Speaker 1: It's in the dna of your city, especially your smaller

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Speaker 1: towns in West Texas and in East Texas like Big Sandy.

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Speaker 1: We have so much to talk about. Coach Dave McInnis

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Speaker 1: with us, all right, let's start here. You mentioned Southwest Conference.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts now on all of this college football?

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Speaker 1: The way the conferences have blown up, blown apart, gotten

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Speaker 1: back together in various ways. You know, I do a

472
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Speaker 1: show now for twenty weeks during the season called Coach

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Speaker 1: to Coach with Doug Matthews, who's a long time coordinator

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Speaker 1: and coach at you know, for Philip Former there at

475
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Speaker 1: the University of Tennessee, and we just cover it, you know,

476
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Speaker 1: we cover collegiate football, but the Southeastern Conference mostly to

477
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Speaker 1: your question, mark the Southeastern Conference and what's going on

478
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Speaker 1: with these power conferences. This is where it's going because

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Speaker 1: now with the NIL and everything that's coming, it's so

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Speaker 1: much different when we were going to you know, when

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Speaker 1: we were going to school, and it's so much different now.

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Speaker 1: It is a different game. I coached in major college

483
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Speaker 1: for thirteen years. I recruited, I recruited all across the country.

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Speaker 1: But this thing that's going on now, it's completely different.

485
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying it's completely different.

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Speaker 1: And so what you've got to understand, I mean you

487
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Speaker 1: guys understand it, and I think your listeners do too,

488
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: is it's about money, and it's about the television money,

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Speaker 1: and it's about exposure. You know, when I was going

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Speaker 1: to school at the Southwestern Conference, you know, when you

491
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Speaker 1: played the University of Texas in the Southwestern Conference, you'd

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Speaker 1: probably be on television that week, or when you played

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Speaker 1: Arkansas because Arkansas under coach Broils was rolling big at

494
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Speaker 1: that time. But the rest of the time there was

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Speaker 1: no television for it. Now every game is on television consistently.

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Speaker 1: And so these these these power conferences that are getting

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Speaker 1: together and these alliances that are coming together now in

498
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: collegiate football, it's for two things. It's for money and

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Speaker 1: it's for survival. You mentioned Southwest Conference coach. It's it's

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Speaker 1: so funny to think back I got to Texas in

501
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three, like right in the midst of eighties

502
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Speaker 1: college football recruiting, and it was nuts. And you hear

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Speaker 1: all the stories of Eric Dickerson and what went on

504
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Speaker 1: with him and all the different stories. Do you have

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Speaker 1: a recruiting story that stands out over the years, Uh,

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Speaker 1: maybe more so than any other as you were recruiting.

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Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was. I was recruiting during

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Speaker 1: that you know, during during that era. I graduated from

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Speaker 1: TCU in nineteen seventy three, and then and then and

510
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Speaker 1: then in seventy three and seventy four, I was a

511
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Speaker 1: graduate assistant down there and then went back in seventy

512
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Speaker 1: eight as an assistant coach, and so yes, I mean

513
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Speaker 1: I was recruiting during that time, and it was it

514
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Speaker 1: was a it was a different world. Because here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: The NIL Now those nils you know where you're able

516
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Speaker 1: to do that. Well, the NIL existed back then too,

517
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Speaker 1: but it just wasn't It just wasn't organized on a

518
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Speaker 1: universe on a universal scale. But absolutely the best recruiting

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Speaker 1: stories I have, Guys, I recruited. I would recruit all

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Speaker 1: of the inner city schools across the country. I recruited

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Speaker 1: all the inner city schools in Houston and New Orleans,

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Speaker 1: in Dallas, in Chicago. You know, I was in Cabrini Green,

523
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Speaker 1: I was in the Robert Taylor Holmes. You know, I

524
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Speaker 1: did all all of those, you know, to be able

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Speaker 1: to When I first came to TCU, i'd graduated from

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Speaker 1: high school nineteen sixty nine. There were two African American

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Speaker 1: athletes in the Southwestern Conference. Lindsay Cole was the receiver

528
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Speaker 1: at TCU and Jerry Levias was at SMU. My recruiting class,

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Speaker 1: I was in the same freshman class as Raymond Roads.

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Speaker 1: Ray Roads and I from he's from Mahea, Texas. We

531
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Speaker 1: were that you went there and they were they were.

532
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Speaker 1: They had brought they run in seven black athletes then

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Speaker 1: that was the most anybody had ever brought in as

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Speaker 1: a group at that time, you know, to the to

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Speaker 1: the Southwestern Conference. And so when I started coaching, and

536
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Speaker 1: you know then it was starting to expand, I went

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Speaker 1: to all the inner city schools and the thing that

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Speaker 1: that I saw there is, first of all, you know

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Speaker 1: a lot of them don't have the resources back then,

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00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: didn't have have the horses. You know, there was a

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Speaker 1: lot of tape not available, and the tape but the

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Speaker 1: tape then was was sixteen I mean sixteen millimeter on

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Speaker 1: a roll. But sometimes sometimes guys, they didn't have the

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Speaker 1: finances to have sixteen millimeters, so they had the eight millimeter, right,

545
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, rolls, and sometimes they didn't have that. So

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Speaker 1: what I would do is make it to to all

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Speaker 1: of these schools across the country during basketball season to

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Speaker 1: watch guy because they all played the great the best

549
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: athletes at school, played everything, and then be down there

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Speaker 1: during track season and every now and then, you know,

551
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: outside the outside the rules, but there were no rules,

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Speaker 1: you know, I would I would always carry you guys

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Speaker 1: are probably old enough and some of your listeners are

554
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: probably old enough to remember, you know, the and they

555
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: still use them, the Carpenter rules that have hinges on

556
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Speaker 1: them that you can unhinge. Do you know what that is?

557
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Speaker 1: Both of you are looking at me, you know, like

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Speaker 1: a dog looking at a typewriter, you know, but is

559
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: that they have hinges on them. They fold up about

560
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: this big, but you can unhinge them to measure, you know.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay, all right. So I'd carry

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Speaker 1: that in my briefcase, and i'd carry some I would

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Speaker 1: carry some gymnast chalk with me, and so you know,

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Speaker 1: the sooner or later I'd get them up, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the gymnasium, you know, either by themselves or somewhere

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Speaker 1: with a high wall. I said, look, he just chalk

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Speaker 1: up your hand and for me reach up and touch it,

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Speaker 1: and now chalk it up again and reach up. Bam,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, you know, and and and check and

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00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: check a vertical jump because sometimes you didn't have enough film,

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Speaker 1: you know. And so you know, got got got players

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00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: like that, you know, got players like that you know

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Speaker 1: to some places. But I tell you it really honed

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Speaker 1: my evaluation skills, you know, to be able just to

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Speaker 1: look at athletes. And then you know, the parents trusted

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Speaker 1: me because I was always very honest with them and

577
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: went in and told them and you know, where I

578
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: was was coaching was different from where they lived. But

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Speaker 1: it also gave them a chance to So I've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of stories, but that one right there, you know,

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Speaker 1: sticks out because we just did what we had to do.

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Speaker 1: Dave mc ginnis joining us the color commentary for Titans Radio.

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Speaker 1: Former NFL coach tcu Alum. Why coach of the NFL?

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Speaker 1: Because you start in college, what drew you to the

585
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Speaker 1: National Football League. You know, when I went to Missouri,

586
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Speaker 1: Vince Tobin was a defensive coordinator. And then Vince Tobin

587
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Speaker 1: he you know Bill Tobin, who put together all those

588
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Speaker 1: great teams. And who's Duke Tobin's father. You know that

589
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: now is running the Bengals personnel. And Bill Tobe is

590
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: still working with Duke there. Anyway, he and two other

591
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: scouts Jim Finks, uh, Bill Tobin and Jim Parmer, they

592
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: put together all of those great early eighties Bears teams.

593
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: Three scouts. They had six coaches, three scouts. They put

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Speaker 1: together all of those great Bears teams, all right, and

595
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: so you know, uh, Vince Tobin, his younger brother, was

596
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Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator at the University of Missouri when I

597
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Speaker 1: went in nineteen seventy five, Okay, in nineteen seventy five,

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Speaker 1: and then he left and went to the Canadian League.

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Speaker 1: And then he left and went with Jim Mora to

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Speaker 1: the Baltimore Philadelphia Stars in the u SFL. They won it,

601
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Speaker 1: you know a couple of years and of course then

602
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Speaker 1: you know, I left Missouri, went to went to Indiana State.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was recruiting there was there when Larry

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Speaker 1: Bird was there, So we had a lot of recruiting

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Speaker 1: money because Larry Bird was there, and I could get

606
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Speaker 1: kids to visit, not because they loved Indiana State, but

607
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: because I said, hey, you want to come visit this weekend.

608
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: Larry Bird's playing you were playing witchitall State, and load

609
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: the plane up and bring him up, you know. So anyway,

610
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: and then and then from there, from Indiana State went

611
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 1: back to TCU, TCU to Kansas State. So I'm coaching,

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00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm coaching recruiting in college. Well, Vince Tobin.

613
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: When Jim Mora got the New Orleans job, Vince was

614
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: going to go with him down there, all right. And

615
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: then Buddy Ryan leaves the Bears and goes and takes

616
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: the head job at Philly. All right. Well, Bill Toben

617
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: is the is the general manager, you know, and Dick

618
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: is the head coach. And so Dick is looking for

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Speaker 1: a coordinator, and he'd had his eye on, you know,

620
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: some people, but you know, Bevince Toben very successful. So

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Speaker 1: he goes in their interviews and gets the job. I

622
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: don't even know he's up there, Okay, I don't. I

623
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Speaker 1: don't have any idea that that he's up there. Well,

624
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Speaker 1: I'm in Dallas recruiting. I get a call and he says, hey, look,

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Speaker 1: I don't I know what you're doing right now. He said,

626
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: but would you be interested in because I thought he

627
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: had gone to New Orleans with Jimmad, you know. And

628
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: he said, I know there's a linebacker job that I

629
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Speaker 1: think you'd be interested in if you'd like to interview.

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Speaker 1: I said, well, who is it with? He says, it

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Speaker 1: with the Bears. I said Baylor. I said, why don't

632
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Speaker 1: I want to go to Baylor, I said, He said, no,

633
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: different Bears coach Mike the Chicago Bears. I said yeah.

634
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Speaker 1: And so anyway, I went up there and it was

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Speaker 1: five guys. I was the only one. I was the

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Speaker 1: youngest by far, thirty two years a old. I mean,

637
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Speaker 1: I had knew nothing, and and uh Dick interviewed myself

638
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,719
Speaker 1: and for other guys that were in the league, you know.

639
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: And so I figured I just wanted to go up

640
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: there to interview because this was the Super Bowl shuffle Bears,

641
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: and you know, I just wanted the opportunity to interview

642
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: in the experience of interviewing, and so, you know, I

643
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 1: met with met with Mike Ditka and he said can

644
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: you stay the night? And I said sure, And so

645
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: I did, you know, went out to dinner. I was going,

646
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, this was a cool thing. And so I

647
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: was sitting with Ben Stopen in his office and Mike

648
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: Didka's secretary. Her name was Mary Allbright, and she came

649
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: in and said, coach McGinnis, coach Dicky would like to

650
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: see you. So I figured, you know, it's say hey, kid.

651
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 1: Enjoyed it called me kid because I guess that's what

652
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: George Hollis always called him. So anybody younger, he said,

653
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: you know, so he called me and said and I said, kid,

654
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: do you want this job? And I went, well, yes, sir,

655
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: And he said, okay, you've got it. He said, I

656
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: want you to remember one two things. You're the coach,

657
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: they're the players. I've got your back. Now go to work. Wow.

658
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: And so then I'm dropped in a room with Mike

659
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: Singletary and Otis Wilson and Wilbar Marshall and Al Harris

660
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: and Ron Rivera and you know, and so here I

661
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: go and really, guys, seriously, and I'm not one to

662
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, I was a great recruiter, you know, was

663
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: it I excello Guru. No, not at that time. But

664
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: then I had to be the defense we only had.

665
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: I was. I was an eighth coach on the staff.

666
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: Dicka had to give me one of his lockers in

667
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: a really small place in Hollis Hall, an old one

668
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: on the campus of Lake Forest, so i'd have a

669
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: place dress and so. But I was a defensive quality

670
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: control and the linebacker coach and so and so. You know,

671
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: I was there twenty four to seven in the building.

672
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: You know, I had a place in Lake Forest about

673
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: two blocks from them, and so I lived in the building.

674
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: But I got a I got a PhD in NFL

675
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: football because late at night i'd be up there with

676
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: you know Dick Stanfeld, you know, God rest his soul.

677
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: You know, the Hall of Fame offensive lineman, was the

678
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: offensive line coach, Johnny Rowland, you know Ed Hughes. These

679
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: guys are legendary coaches in the National Football League. And

680
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: I would sit in their offensive meetings just to learn

681
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 1: to learn protections, to learn what you know. And then

682
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: I would you know, I've got I've still got my

683
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: I've still got my eighty six Bears notebook that I

684
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: did that I you know all by hand that you know,

685
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: you drew and then maybe you grafted off and so

686
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: I mean so for two years, I mean I that

687
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: was a kind of experience that I gained up there

688
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: doing that and I really knew nothing. But after the

689
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: first year, we go fourteen and two and I go,

690
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: what's so hard about the league? I mean, you know,

691
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: and then in the off season, I still don't know anything.

692
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm lecturing all over the country on linebacker play, you know,

693
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: like I'm some guru with it. And the first question

694
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: was you know that also, coach Mike, what's this? What's

695
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: the key to this? What's the key to being able to? Said?

696
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: Get Mike Singletary Odors Wilson. Anyway, That's how it started,

697
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: and thirty six years later, here I am still in

698
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: the league. Coach. You coached for a former NFL player

699
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,959
Speaker 1: in Mike Dicka, You now cover a former NFL player

700
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: as a head coach in Tennessee and Mike Rabel. Do

701
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: you see any similar yes, between Mike and Mike. Very

702
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: insightful question and the answers yes. And that's the first

703
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: thing I did, you know when I Mike Keith asked

704
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: me to come back and do this because I still

705
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: had another year on my contract in la UH, and

706
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: I you know, when Jeff Fisher got let go of

707
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: the Rams, let's tell another year out there. And I

708
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: was deciding what I wanted to do, and Mike Keith

709
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: called me, and so you know when I when I

710
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: came in UH, I'd been there eight years with Jeff Fisher,

711
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: a new Nashville, love Nashville. But when Mike Vrabel was hired,

712
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: I went, Okay, I've seen this before a lot of

713
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: similarities and a lot of similarities because of this not

714
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: only a former player, a former player who did it

715
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: at a high level, but a former player who really

716
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: got it on all levels. Mike Dicka. You know, if

717
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: you've never were around Mike Ditka, you know the persona

718
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: is one thing, the human being is another. And he

719
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: was the best human being in the world. Oh yeah,

720
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: Coach Dicka could lose his mind on his sideline. But

721
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: when I heard that from Coach mckinnis, I've actually heard

722
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: that from a couple of people that say that about

723
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: Coach Dicka and the Bears that I've been a fun

724
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: group to be a part of. And a big thanks

725
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: to Dave McKennis for joining us. All right, coming up next,

726
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: JP Shadrick from Jaguars dot Com. You also calls games

727
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: for the Touchdown USA Radio network in a college perspective.

728
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: We had a great time with Jp. Here's what we

729
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: missed from him back in the Combine. Next of Texas,

730
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: ooxis Next of Texas, ooxis next on Texas. We go

731
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: on fos like this Monday edition of Texans All Access.

732
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: I'm your host, John Harris Football and a sideline reporter

733
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: in one of our good friends as JP Shaddick. We

734
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: caught up with him in Indianapolis to talk about the

735
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: Jagson well many other things. Here's that portion you didn't

736
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: hear last week. It's combine clearinghouse right here on a

737
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: Monday All Axis. JP Shadick, Jaguars dot Com joining us

738
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: on Texans Radio. We talked to Matt Taylor. It's about

739
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: the final game of the regular heard about that, yeah,

740
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: and it was a heck of a conversation. And from

741
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,479
Speaker 1: your perspective, what was that game like? Because you might

742
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: not be expecting that going in, even from your side

743
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: of things, they were like fifteen point underdogs. Yeah, I mean,

744
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: if you're into that you know. So, No, it wasn't

745
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 1: really a There's always a chance, but it's like, come on.

746
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: From the Jaguars perspective, I think I've been there. I've

747
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: been there ten seasons now, and there are many weeks,

748
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: most weeks where you have a pretty good idea on

749
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: Friday at the end of the week that it's not

750
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: going to go so well on Sunday. Yes, it's the NFL,

751
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: there's parody, but the way this thing has gone with

752
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: personnel and players leaving, you're just outgunned a lot of weeks.

753
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: That was the feeling going into that game. Because they

754
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: had everything on the line at Indy. They had to

755
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: win the game. They could have backed in another way,

756
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: but if you win the game, they're in. And either

757
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: it proved to be too much pressure on the Colts,

758
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: which I don't know if I buy that, or the

759
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: Jags just played out of their mind that day. Maybe

760
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of both, and it just kind

761
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: of worked out. It was the last game. It was

762
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: the interim head coach, Hey, let's finish on a good note.

763
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: Trevor Rally and the troops all that together and they

764
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: played their best game of the season. So, you know,

765
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: from the colt's perspective, I don't that's got to be

766
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: so frustrating to go down there and lose like that, though,

767
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: absolutely Jay. Earlier on Friday, Adam Schefter tweeted that Amari

768
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: Cooper is likely to be released by the Dallas Cowboys

769
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: before the league year. What's it cost? Well, you answered

770
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: the question. I suppose at that point. I mean that's

771
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: the thing. What's it gonna cost? I mean, you guys

772
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: have the cap room plenty. Yeah, that's what. I don't

773
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: know exactly what it is about. Seven. Would that be

774
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: the type of guy you could see as a number

775
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: one to put alongside Marvin Allan, give Trevor some opportunities

776
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: as long as it's not so over the top from

777
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: financial perspective, he'd be byar by far the best and

778
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: most notable receiver on the roster. Sure is he? What

779
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: did interest you? I'm interested? Yeah, I'm very interested. We

780
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: haven't had a guy like that around there in a

781
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 1: long time. I mean, you gotta remember they had Alan

782
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: Hearns and Alan Robinson together. Hers was an undrafted guy,

783
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: Robinson was a second round pick. You know, they had

784
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: that duo together. But even then, that wasn't you know.

785
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: They were good and they had a good year together.

786
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: They both had a thousand yards one season, but that

787
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: still just didn't have that extra step. Well, I'm he's

788
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: got that extra little things, a little something extra, right,

789
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: and I know he's been at it for a little

790
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: while now years a year eighty, it's been a little while. Yeah,

791
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 1: so that that might be the one little concerning thing,

792
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 1: just how big he is and all that. But yeah,

793
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: why not go for it? If again, what's it gonna cost?

794
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: Who's gonna cost me nineteen? I don't know. He's got

795
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: a lot of other needs to you guys can make

796
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: that deal later, and I don't know if you have

797
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: the authority to do so, Yeah, I don't think so.

798
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: JP shad Rick, Jaguars dot Com joining us. All right,

799
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: So what about your thoughts on the cults and what

800
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: they should do at quarterback, what they will do at quarterback?

801
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: What are you thinking as a Jaguar? Oh, keep Carson Winner,

802
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Come on, yeah, let it ride.

803
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: That was all right? It right? But you know, in

804
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: all seriousness, guys, there is a great lack of elite

805
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 1: quarterback talent and this is no headline in the league

806
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: and a lot of teams in search of, maybe not elite,

807
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: but at least a well above average quarterback play, and

808
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: he was giving them that for a while. His record's

809
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: good too, Like it's the weird thing. It's just the

810
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: way it ended was so bad. The loss to you,

811
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: the lost to the Raiders the week before, and who

812
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: are they going to get? I don't know what they're

813
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: gonna do. I feel like behind closed doors, there's a

814
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: lot more going on there. And again, we always we

815
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: always think about football, and we think about most of

816
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: the time. We think about it from a coach and

817
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: GM making decisions, situation, and maybe it goes higher than that.

818
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: I mean Jerry Jones and Dallas. If he doesn't, well

819
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: he's also the GM two. But you know, who's to

820
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: say that management and management, I mean ownership is not

821
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: happy with Carson. Maybe that's maybe that's part of who knows?

822
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: But Capps twenty seven and seven twenty seventeen seven interceptions

823
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: last year, it doesn't feel like it's a it was

824
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: a total collapse. But that game in Jacksonville left to stay,

825
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: They left to remember they had a big you know,

826
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: come to Jesus meeting right after that game they all

827
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: got back home. That was reported that mister Erst was like, hey, fellas,

828
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: you all need to come over here, and they sat

829
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: in that room for hours on end. I mean that,

830
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that rarely happens many places, especially here

831
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. So you know, yeah, it does feel like

832
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: changes coming in Endie though, let's put it that way.

833
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: Can't disagree with the man. That's JP Shadrick of Jaguars

834
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Speaker 1: dot Com. Big thanks to JP, to coach Beginnis, to Mark,

835
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: to all of you for listening. We'll see tomorrow. Everybody

836
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: and his always go Texans