WEBVTT - From the Vault: The Glorious Hermit Crab, Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. This is

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Lamb. Today is Saturday, of course, so I have

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<v Speaker 1>a vault episode for you. And oh, this one published

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<v Speaker 1>a year ago this very day. This published on one

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<v Speaker 1>four twenty four. It is part one in our series

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<v Speaker 1>on the Hermit Crab. I hope you enjoy.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Robert.

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<v Speaker 3>Lamb and my name is Joe McCormick. And we're back

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<v Speaker 3>after the holidays. All right, I guess you've already been back, Rob,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm back for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Yeah, that's right. I left a little early and

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<v Speaker 1>then and then I came back to you know, scrambled

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<v Speaker 1>together a few episodes. But now it's time to return

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<v Speaker 1>proper with a true core episode of Stuff Below Your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're ringing in the new year once more with crabs,

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<v Speaker 1>because of course, crab content is suitable for any holiday,

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<v Speaker 1>and there is an abundance of it, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if it's just the name of Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>Island that created this correlation, but I think we tend

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<v Speaker 3>to do crab content in the winter have you noticed

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<v Speaker 3>that that's not on purpose, at least not on my part.

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<v Speaker 1>No, this is great. I think the Christmas Island crab

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<v Speaker 1>thing kicked it off a bit a while back. That's

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<v Speaker 1>part of it. For sure. There's something maybe holiday centric

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<v Speaker 1>about crabs. It also helps that sometimes my family and

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<v Speaker 1>I travel during the winter break and go somewhere where

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<v Speaker 1>crabs are abundant. And yeah, I'm excited to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>crabs once more because over the holidays, my family and

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<v Speaker 1>I were fortunate enough to once more visit Glover's Reef,

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<v Speaker 1>a partially submerged atoll located off the southern coast of Belize.

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<v Speaker 1>Tremendous fun. We stayed on a small island all week.

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<v Speaker 1>There were other human certainly, but we spend as much

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<v Speaker 1>time as possible getting into the water to snorkel to

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<v Speaker 1>check out the fish and the coral. But the predominant

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<v Speaker 1>land organism was, without a doubt, the terrestrial hermit crab.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is a holiday with crabs underfoot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I mean, I don't think anyone ever stepped on one,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were everywhere. Most hermit crab species are aquatic,

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<v Speaker 1>as we'll probably touch on several times during this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm going to be talking mostly about the terrestrial variants,

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<v Speaker 1>like those that I encountered on this island, that still

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<v Speaker 1>depend on the ocean for reproduction, but which live most

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<v Speaker 1>of their lives on land, and that comes with various

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<v Speaker 1>complications and innovations. And also they're very visible. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't need a snorkel, you don't need a dive

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<v Speaker 1>suit to engage with the world of the hermit crab

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<v Speaker 1>because on places like this they are everywhere and they

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<v Speaker 1>are widespread. You don't also don't have to go to

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<v Speaker 1>Belize to encounter hermit crabs, terrestrial hermit crabs, even they

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<v Speaker 1>are out there.

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<v Speaker 3>So roughly, how big were or how big was the

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<v Speaker 3>range of the ones you were seeing? Is are we

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<v Speaker 3>talking like silver dollar size or hand size? Like what

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<v Speaker 3>are we dealing with here?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? The size differential is one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>makes hermit crab watching in the wild so fun because

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<v Speaker 1>you never know exactly what size you're gonna encounter. Like

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<v Speaker 1>some of the very small ones, you know, oh so cute,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the size of a dime or something, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very small. But other times it'll be like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>probably exaggerating to save the size of a catcher's met

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<v Speaker 1>but at least the size of a very large fist,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just a just a big chonker of a

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<v Speaker 1>hermit crab. And as you're going, as we were going

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<v Speaker 1>about on the little pathways on the island, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they would be moving around pretty much all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>That they're very busy. They're constantly trooping about, they're scavenging,

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<v Speaker 1>they're competing for shells. Though I don't think we ever

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<v Speaker 1>directly observed this, but clearly it is happening. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you come across one while it's say, crossing the sand path,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll suddenly stop, and then if you get a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit closer, they'll retreat into their shells, and as they

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<v Speaker 1>do that, that'll cause them to roll over onto their back,

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<v Speaker 1>and then of course they cap the shell opening with

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<v Speaker 1>their larger claw and then give them enough time and

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<v Speaker 1>then get back up and they continue on with their business.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, there's just something magical about her crabs, at

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<v Speaker 1>least to someone like me who doesn't get to observe

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<v Speaker 1>them all the time. But even the team on the

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<v Speaker 1>island here, they seem to find a certain amount of

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<v Speaker 1>joy in the creatures, despite how accustomed they were to

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<v Speaker 1>their presence. I heard that one of the cooks brought

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<v Speaker 1>some shells for the crabs with her from the mainland,

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<v Speaker 1>with the names of each of her children written on them,

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<v Speaker 1>and then and then would enjoy like running into various

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<v Speaker 1>crabs who would claim these shells and make them their homes.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's funny. So like when people write funny things

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<v Speaker 3>on a dollar, you know, it's like, are you expecting

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<v Speaker 3>to encounter this again?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, And yeah. There's just something they're like a

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<v Speaker 1>little like io machines, you know. There's just something about

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<v Speaker 1>how industrious and relentless they are as they scavenge the terrain.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, at this place that we were staying, this

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<v Speaker 1>a place called Off the Wall. The communal dining area

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<v Speaker 1>at the place has a sand floor, and Jim and Kindre,

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<v Speaker 1>who run the place, told us that first thing in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning, when you go in there, the sand is

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<v Speaker 1>completely devoid of human footprints because during the night the

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<v Speaker 1>crabs have come, the hermit crabs have come, and so

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning they are only crab tracks, and not

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<v Speaker 1>even the slightest crumb left behind, because they have come

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<v Speaker 1>and claimed everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Crab wipe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I love it. After experiencing all that, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, well, we've got to find some more things

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about with hermit crabs. We've talked about them before,

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<v Speaker 1>but now we're going to go in a little more depth.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it turns out I think hermit crabs are very

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<v Speaker 3>interesting and there is a lot we can talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>So I guess we will start with the basics. What

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<v Speaker 3>are hermit crabs? Are hermit crabs crab? The answer is

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<v Speaker 3>sort of. Hermit crabs are decapod crustaceans that means decapod.

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<v Speaker 3>They're ten legged invertebrates with a hard exoskeleton that grow

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<v Speaker 3>by molting, so they shed their old exoskeleton and emerge soft,

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<v Speaker 3>and then a new exoskeleton hardens when they need to

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<v Speaker 3>get bigger when they grow bigger. But they are considered

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<v Speaker 3>distinct from what are called true crabs. True crabs belong

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<v Speaker 3>to the infraorder Brachyuria. Hermit crabs belong to the related

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<v Speaker 3>infraorder animura a n O m U r A. They're

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<v Speaker 3>close cousins to true crabs, but different. Other animurins or

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<v Speaker 3>false crabs include the lithodoidea or the king crabs. And

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<v Speaker 3>the Porcelinidae, which are the porcelain crabs. And one thing

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<v Speaker 3>animurins generally have in common is that. Okay, so these

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<v Speaker 3>decapods all have five pairs of legs ten legs total,

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<v Speaker 3>and in the animurans, the last pair of legs farthest

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<v Speaker 3>away from the head is fun sized. So these animals

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<v Speaker 3>are still decapods, but a lot of them look like

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<v Speaker 3>they have only eight legs instead of ten, or maybe

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<v Speaker 3>six legs and two claws. Those front legs, the chelli

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<v Speaker 3>or the claws are legs, but in crabs they're often

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<v Speaker 3>claw shaped, but they look like they have only eight

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<v Speaker 3>legs instead of ten because the hindmost pair is tiny

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<v Speaker 3>and often hidden or tucked away under another body part.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we'll get back to this particular detail later

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<v Speaker 1>on in our discussion. If not this episode, then perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>the second episode.

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<v Speaker 3>So animurans have ten legs, a lot of times it

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<v Speaker 3>looks like they only have.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Hermit crabs belong in the taxonomic superfamily Pagurroidea, and with

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<v Speaker 3>a few exceptions, they are mostly notable for exactly what

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<v Speaker 3>you're thinking of their dependence on externally scavenged material for

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<v Speaker 3>armor and shelter. Usually this armor is a shell that

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<v Speaker 3>once belonged to a gastropod, such as a snail, a periwinkle,

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<v Speaker 3>or a whelk, though there are some animals in the

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<v Speaker 3>family that don't need scavin shelter at all. We can

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<v Speaker 3>talk about those in a minute, and there are a

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<v Speaker 3>few that rely on things other than mollusk shells. One

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<v Speaker 3>example cited in a paper that I'll get to in

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<v Speaker 3>a minute is the discorso Pagurus schmitti, which takes up

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<v Speaker 3>shelter not in a gastropod shell, but in empty polyheat

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<v Speaker 3>worm tubes. The hermit crabs that do rely on external

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<v Speaker 3>mollusk shells have bodies that are actually shaped by this need.

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<v Speaker 3>So while true crabs have hard exoskeletons covering their entire bodies,

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<v Speaker 3>hermit crabs have what you might call non calcified abdomens.

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<v Speaker 3>So the front facing part of a hermit crab's body

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<v Speaker 3>the head, the thorax, and the front pairs of legs

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<v Speaker 3>and claws. These all have hard exoskeletal coating like any

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<v Speaker 3>other crab, but the part of the hermit crab the

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<v Speaker 3>abdomen in what you might call the tail or the Telson.

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<v Speaker 3>This doesn't really resemble a crab body at all in

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of species. It looks kind of like a

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<v Speaker 3>curly fat worm, and it does not have a hard exoskeleton.

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<v Speaker 3>The abdomen is flexible, soft and vulnerable. It is covered

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<v Speaker 3>in an external coating, but it's just very thin and soft.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very uncrab. This is the part of a hermit

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<v Speaker 3>crab that curls up inside the externally sourced shell.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so if you're just encountering hermit crabs out in

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<v Speaker 1>the wild, or even seeing them in a an enclosure somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>you're probably not going to see this part of the

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<v Speaker 1>organism with its abdomen inside the shell. As we've been discussing,

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<v Speaker 1>it actually walks on its second or in third pairs

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<v Speaker 1>of legs. The first pairs are modified to form pinchers,

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<v Speaker 1>and its fourth and fifth pairs of legs are small

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<v Speaker 1>and specialized to grip the inside of the shell. It

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<v Speaker 1>also has appendages called europods at the end of its

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<v Speaker 1>abdomen to aid and securing that shell. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all these things aiding to sort of grip and hold

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<v Speaker 1>on to that shell that it has taken on as

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<v Speaker 1>its shelter. The larger left europod hooks the central post

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<v Speaker 1>of a shell, and they can also use this europod

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<v Speaker 1>to hold on to other things when they are out

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<v Speaker 1>of the shell, Like I've read about how they can

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<v Speaker 1>attach to say like a tree or something, and it

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<v Speaker 1>can also use it to maintain balance.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I think it's interesting that the hermit crab

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<v Speaker 3>is an animal. Its body is shaped in for double purpose.

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<v Speaker 3>So the front end of it is shaped for facing

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<v Speaker 3>the external world. It has the chelly, it has the

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<v Speaker 3>claws like many other crabs you would think of, but

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<v Speaker 3>the back end of it is shaped entirely for holding

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<v Speaker 3>on to this piece of mobile shelter. And the concept

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<v Speaker 3>of mobile shelter, while not completely unique, is pretty unique.

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<v Speaker 3>What makes the hermit crab interesting To read a quote

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<v Speaker 3>from a highly cited paper on hermit crabs that I

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<v Speaker 3>was looking at by a biologist named Brian Hazlet. The

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<v Speaker 3>paper is called the Behavioral Ecology of Hermit Crabs. Haslet writes, quote,

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<v Speaker 3>Many animals utilize exogenous shelters, but almost all eight hundred

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<v Speaker 3>species of hermit crabs are mobile while sheltered, the combination

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<v Speaker 3>of mobility and protection afforded by this lifestyle must contribute

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<v Speaker 3>to the large numbers of these crustaceans found in virtually

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<v Speaker 3>all marine environments as well as in tropical terrestrial shores.

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<v Speaker 3>So Hazlit is sort of saying the hermit crab plan

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<v Speaker 3>is a successful plan, clearly shown by the diversity of

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<v Speaker 3>these species found all around the world. That this is

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<v Speaker 3>a plan that works because sourcing shelter from outside the

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<v Speaker 3>body that you can take with you when you move

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<v Speaker 3>works really well. But it also comes with costs, and

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<v Speaker 3>we'll talk about those costs as we go on. One

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<v Speaker 3>thing I think to understand is that in general, while

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<v Speaker 3>a hermit crab can leave its externally acquired shell and

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<v Speaker 3>it can survive for some time outside of its external shell,

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<v Speaker 3>the acquisition of a shell for external armor is not

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<v Speaker 3>optional for a hermit crab. It's not like a nice

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<v Speaker 3>to have. It is essential for survival in the wild,

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<v Speaker 3>and the hermit crab's evolution has been shaped by the

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<v Speaker 3>need for these externally sourced shells.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, this is not just somewhere it goes to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep at night like. It has to have this with it,

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<v Speaker 1>and if it does not have the shell, then it

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<v Speaker 1>is highly vulnerable to predation. Exposure. It very well likely

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<v Speaker 1>will not survive without it.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So I want to turn to a paper I

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<v Speaker 3>was reading for a general overview of hermit crabs and

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<v Speaker 3>related species. This was an overview published in the journal

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<v Speaker 3>Current Biology called the Hermit Crabs by Mark Brifa and

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<v Speaker 3>Sophie L. Moles in two thousand and eight. And they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to pat the picture here of the kind of

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<v Speaker 3>hermit crab family tree. So there are currently more than

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<v Speaker 3>eight hundred known species of hermit crabs. Most of these

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<v Speaker 3>species live in the ocean their marine, with a few exceptions.

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<v Speaker 3>One is a species called Clibinarius fontic cola, and this

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<v Speaker 3>is the only known freshwater hermit crab which lives in Vanuatu,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a volcanic archipelago in the Pacific. And there are

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<v Speaker 3>other freshwater and amurans, but they are not hermit crabs.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is the one freshwater hermit crab out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I should throw in that the hermit crabs that we

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<v Speaker 1>were observing in the wild, I believe are the Caribbean

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<v Speaker 1>hermit crab, and this is a variety that's common to

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<v Speaker 1>the West Atlantic, Belize, Southern Florida, Venezuela, and the West Indies.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and the ones you were observing you were saying

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<v Speaker 3>were terrestrial or semi terrestrial, right, they spend a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of time on land.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, these were land boys. We did see one variety

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't identify this one one variety of aquatic

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<v Speaker 1>hermit crab out law snorkeling. But yes, the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm mostly talking about here are hermit crabs of terrestrial

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<v Speaker 1>hermit crabs.

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<v Speaker 3>So there are about a dozen species of land dwelling

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<v Speaker 3>or semi land dwelling hermit crab descendants in a family

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<v Speaker 3>called Sinobotids. This family includes one famous species that has

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<v Speaker 3>shed its need for an externally acquired shell altogether, and

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<v Speaker 3>that is the coconut crab or robber crab. We've talked

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<v Speaker 3>extensively about these before, but the coconut crab is the

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<v Speaker 3>largest land dwelling invertebrate in the world. I can have

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<v Speaker 3>a leg span of up to one meter and can

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<v Speaker 3>weigh almost five kilograms or about ten pounds. They live

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<v Speaker 3>mostly in coastal areas throughout the Indian and Pacific oceans.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we talked a good bit about coconut crabs

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<v Speaker 3>in our series on the Christmas Island crabs that we

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<v Speaker 3>did several years back. This was the the animal where

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<v Speaker 3>we were talking about the field notes of Darwin from

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<v Speaker 3>the Voyage of the Beagle, where he's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they make really good eat and you boil the fat

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<v Speaker 3>under their tail and it makes a quart bottle of

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<v Speaker 3>limpid oil. And then he also tells a story about

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<v Speaker 3>how they like locked one inside of a biscuit tin

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<v Speaker 3>with wire and using its claws it was able to

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<v Speaker 3>essentially like rip the tin out and escape the box.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, there's a whole horror movie for you right there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be Charles Darwin and crew on the Beagle

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<v Speaker 1>having to fight off the killer coconut crab.

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<v Speaker 3>They come and they just find the empty box. They're like,

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<v Speaker 3>it's loose. No one knows where, you know, as long

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<v Speaker 3>as we're throwing around.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Darwin quotes there's another place in the Voyage of

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<v Speaker 1>the Beagle where he mentions hermit crabs. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>a particularly insightful quote. It's just a mention, but I

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<v Speaker 1>still had to drag it out. Quote. In every part

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<v Speaker 1>art one meets hermit crabs of more than one species,

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<v Speaker 1>carrying on their backs the shells which they have stolen

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<v Speaker 1>from the neighboring beach stolen. And yes, there is a

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<v Speaker 1>fair amount of shell theft as we'll get into. As

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<v Speaker 1>long as you're thrown around quotes unrelated, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>throw in this quote from Aristotle from the History of Animals.

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<v Speaker 3>Is he going to tell us where they come from?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Yes, you will reveal the at the time, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Non controversial hypothesis on crab origins quote. The hermit crab

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<v Speaker 1>grows spontaneously out of soil and slime and finds its

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<v Speaker 1>way into untenanted shells. As it grows, it shifts to

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<v Speaker 1>a larger shell, as for instance, into the shell of

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<v Speaker 1>the neartes, or of the strombus or the like, and

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<v Speaker 1>very often into the shell of the small cirrix. After

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<v Speaker 1>entering a new shell, it carries it about and begins

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<v Speaker 1>again to feed, and by and by, as it grows

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<v Speaker 1>it shifts again into another larger one.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I give Aristotle half credit on this. I think

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<v Speaker 3>he's a bit wrong on the spontaneous generation out of

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<v Speaker 3>slime and soil, but he correctly observes the shell shifting

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<v Speaker 3>behavior of hermit crabs, which is a major feature of

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<v Speaker 3>hermit crabs society that we'll have to talk about later

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<v Speaker 3>in the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's absolutely wrong on spontaneous generation. We don't ever

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<v Speaker 1>really have to drive that home. But in a weird way,

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<v Speaker 1>like in a very general way, the idea of like

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<v Speaker 1>matter becomes crabs, nature becomes crabs. Maybe not that far off,

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<v Speaker 1>as we'll discuss later on.

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<v Speaker 3>But apart from the coconut crab, there are various other

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<v Speaker 3>species of hermit crab that live basically would live their

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<v Speaker 3>adult lives on land, though they still usually live out

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<v Speaker 3>part of their life cycle in the water, with females

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<v Speaker 3>releasing larvae into the sea, and apart from these exceptions,

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<v Speaker 3>hermit crabs are marine species.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. We'll come back to some of the ramifications of

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<v Speaker 1>this in a bit now.

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<v Speaker 3>According to Brifa and Moles, there are five families of

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<v Speaker 3>hermit crabs, and it breaks down like this. You've got pagurity,

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<v Speaker 3>which are the right handed hermit crabs, and you've got diogeneity,

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<v Speaker 3>which are the left handed hermit crabs right handed, left handed,

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<v Speaker 3>What does that mean? We'll come back to that. Then

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<v Speaker 3>you've got cenobitity, which are the land hermit crabs. You've

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<v Speaker 3>got parapagurity, which are the deep sea hermit crabs, and

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<v Speaker 3>you've got pilochelady, which are symmetrical hermit crabs. Though the

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<v Speaker 3>more than eight hundred species of hermit crabs display different

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<v Speaker 3>local adaptations and behaviors, for the most part, it seems

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<v Speaker 3>like hermit crabs take what you can get foragers, which

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<v Speaker 3>is true of many true crabs as well, But hermit crabs,

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<v Speaker 3>for the most part, they will eat bits of dead

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<v Speaker 3>organic matter, both animal and vegetable. They will eat live

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<v Speaker 3>prey when they can catch it. Like true crabs, most

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<v Speaker 3>hermit crabs are not very picky about food. Whatever they

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<v Speaker 3>can get in their mouth, they're probably gonna eat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. Both times that I was in believes there

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of fun to be had, especially with

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<v Speaker 1>the kids, of leaving something out for them with permission

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<v Speaker 1>of course, like I'm talking about the like like a

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<v Speaker 1>cracked coconut, and then seeing the hermit crabs eventually swarm

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<v Speaker 1>over the material.

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<v Speaker 3>So while foraging for food is of course essential for survival,

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<v Speaker 3>so is foraging for shelter. We will have more to

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<v Speaker 3>say about this as we go on, but obviously a

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<v Speaker 3>huge part of the hermit crab's survival revolves around acquiring

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<v Speaker 3>a good shell to live in, and the majority of

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<v Speaker 3>these shells come from As we've said, mollusks like snails,

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<v Speaker 3>but hermit crabs don't have to fight the snail for

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<v Speaker 3>its shell. They generally move into the shell that is

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<v Speaker 3>left behind behind after a snail dies. Also, finding a

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<v Speaker 3>shell is not a one time pursuit. Hermit crabs grow

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<v Speaker 3>larger throughout their lives, which means they need to trade

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<v Speaker 3>up for bigger shells, which can lead to very interesting

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<v Speaker 3>mass behaviors. More on that later. One thing the authors

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<v Speaker 3>of this overview point out is that the gastropod shell

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<v Speaker 3>filled by a hermit crab is not only a hard

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<v Speaker 3>surface to protect the soft part of the body, the

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<v Speaker 3>soft abdomen, it also forms a kind of shelter against

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<v Speaker 3>the external environment. Now what kind of shelter against the

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<v Speaker 3>environment would a hermit crab need. One example I recall

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<v Speaker 3>from some documentary footage I saw years ago, was the

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<v Speaker 3>idea that a hermit crab that's on land is under

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<v Speaker 3>the hot sun, and if it's got soft body parts

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<v Speaker 3>exposed outside of the shell, it could quickly sort of

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<v Speaker 3>bake and dry out without the shelter and moisture provided

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<v Speaker 3>by a shell.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. There again, we have to keep in

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<v Speaker 1>mind that even they are terrestrial, they are linked inherently

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<v Speaker 1>to the ocean, and especially when you're dealing with tropical

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<v Speaker 1>heat environments. Yeah, they've they have to use that shell

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<v Speaker 1>also to protect themselves and carry around some moisture.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think it makes sense to look at a

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<v Speaker 3>hermit crab's external shell in two different ways that both

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<v Speaker 3>have some truth to them. On one hand, you could

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<v Speaker 3>look at the external shell as an outsourced exoskeleton. It is,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's like doing the role that would normally

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<v Speaker 3>be done by the hard kiteness outer skeleton of a

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<v Speaker 3>true crab. But another way to think of it is

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<v Speaker 3>that it's like a portable burrow. And this is the

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<v Speaker 3>point that Brian Haslitt was making in that quote I

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<v Speaker 3>read earlier about the idea of mobile shelter. Lots of

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<v Speaker 3>animals find holes to hide in, and rocks or other

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<v Speaker 3>objects with recesses to provide a protective home. Hermit crabs

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<v Speaker 3>find protective recesses that can actually come along anywhere with them. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to come back to the concept of ace symmetry,

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<v Speaker 3>which we already mentioned Rob, you brought it up earlier,

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<v Speaker 3>and it came up in the idea that there are

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<v Speaker 3>these different families of hermit crabs, the right handed hermit crabs,

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<v Speaker 3>the pagurady and the left handed hermit crabs. The diogeneity.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is all very important because we think about

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<v Speaker 1>the asymmetry of the crab in this case, and this

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<v Speaker 1>lines up with the asymmetry of the shells that they

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<v Speaker 1>are probably going to be inhabiting.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So, one thing is that hermit crabs have a

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<v Speaker 3>directional curve in the abdomen. The abdomen can kind of

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<v Speaker 3>curl in a spiraling direction one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's also an important difference in the size of

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<v Speaker 3>the claws. And from what I could tell, it was

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<v Speaker 3>the claw asymmetry that was primarily used to sort these

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<v Speaker 3>animals into the different families. One claw is often bigger

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<v Speaker 3>than the other in hermit crabs. Now, why would the

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<v Speaker 3>animals be asymmetrical in this way. Well, so, the gastropod

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<v Speaker 3>shells most often inhabited by hermit crabs also have right

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<v Speaker 3>handed or left handed spirals as you're saying, Rob, and

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<v Speaker 3>the abdomens are curled so that they fit into the

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<v Speaker 3>chiral shell. Meanwhile, one claw is often bigger than the other,

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<v Speaker 3>so it can function as what the authors call an operculum,

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<v Speaker 3>which in general means a structure that closes an opening

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<v Speaker 3>or an aperture, but in the context of gastropods like snails,

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<v Speaker 3>it has a specific meaning. A lot of snails are

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<v Speaker 3>able not only to retract the soft parts of their

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<v Speaker 3>bodies into their shells when threatened, they actually have a

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<v Speaker 3>movable hard plate that they can use to close the door,

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<v Speaker 3>essentially to block the opening of their shell behind them

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<v Speaker 3>after they retract, like a solid trap door. And this

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<v Speaker 3>is the snail's operculum. And the interesting thing is it

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<v Speaker 3>seems that hermit crabs evolved claw a symmetry at least

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<v Speaker 3>in part to fulfill the same function as the operculum

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<v Speaker 3>of the snails that formed the shells that the hermit

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<v Speaker 3>crabs take over after the snails die. So Brifa and

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<v Speaker 3>Moles right that a hermit crab can use its larger

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<v Speaker 3>claw to close off the aperture of its shell after

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<v Speaker 3>it retreats when threatened. And this connects to what you

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<v Speaker 3>were talking about seeing rob where the hermit crabs, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they might flip over on their back and then cover

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<v Speaker 3>up the opening of the shell with one claw, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>the bigger claw.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I got to see this happen so

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<v Speaker 1>many times. It's like, imagine some sort of futuristic crab

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<v Speaker 1>that has evolved to use abandoned human portagoons or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>portable toilets, like you say, at concert venues as its home,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it has eolved its larger pincher to be

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<v Speaker 1>the exact shape needed to serve as the door of

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<v Speaker 1>that portagon.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought you were going to say it has evolved

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<v Speaker 3>a claw that can say either vacant in use. I

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<v Speaker 3>guess it would never want it to say vacant, so

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<v Speaker 3>it says in use on its claw.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean, and maybe it wants people to goe.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how you get mimics. That's exactly how to get mimics.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway, you end up with these asymmetries. You have

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<v Speaker 3>right handed and left handed hermit crabs, the Pagurids and

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<v Speaker 3>the diogenids, respectively. There are also what are known as

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<v Speaker 3>symmetrical hermit crabs called the pilocelids, which actually do unlike

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<v Speaker 3>the others. They have hardened exoskeletons on their abdomens, though

0:25:29.080 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 3>they do still hide in burrows like in recesses in

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<v Speaker 3>wood or rock that are thought to leave these burrows

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<v Speaker 3>to feed. So they're related animals, but they live somewhat

0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:43.439
<v Speaker 3>different lifestyles. Now we need to talk more about the

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<v Speaker 3>selection of shells among asymmetrical hermit crabs and how that

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<v Speaker 3>important biological need shapes hermit crab behavior and even what

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<v Speaker 3>you might call hermit crabs society. One thing you might

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<v Speaker 3>naturally wonder about with hermit crabs and the selection of shell,

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<v Speaker 3>is one shell as good as the next? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>is any shell just as good as another? And the

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<v Speaker 3>answer is no, not at all, in multiple ways. One

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<v Speaker 3>big factor is, of course size. A shell that is

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<v Speaker 3>too small or too large will greatly reduce a hermit

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<v Speaker 3>crab's fitness, and studies show that when a hermit crab's

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<v Speaker 3>shell is too small, for one thing, it just increases mortality.

0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:27.360
<v Speaker 3>Too small a shell means the hermit crab is more

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<v Speaker 3>likely to die, but it also has less room to grow,

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<v Speaker 3>and females with smaller shells produce fewer offspring. So it

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<v Speaker 3>is not good for a hermit crab to have too

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<v Speaker 3>small of a shell. However, it doesn't just want the

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<v Speaker 3>biggest shell possible, because if the shell is too big,

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<v Speaker 3>that increases the energy cost of carrying it. So you are,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, massively wasting a lot of energy lugging around

0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:54.840
<v Speaker 3>a shell that is heavy and too big for you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of like, I don't know, being encumbered in

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<v Speaker 3>D and D or something. You know, you've got too

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<v Speaker 3>much of a load. This is harming your ability to

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<v Speaker 3>do everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, so finding a shell of just the right size

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:13.439
<v Speaker 3>is crucial, and that right size will change throughout the

0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 3>hermit crab's life as it grows.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so let's get into this a bit more, like

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 1>it's such an important aspect of the hermit crab, and

0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:23.680
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, it's the first thing we think about,

0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:27.880
<v Speaker 1>but it really defines almost everything about their social interaction.

0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:32.480
<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting to think about hermit crab society, or

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:34.479
<v Speaker 1>at least you know that think of them as social

0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:37.919
<v Speaker 1>organisms because we call them hermit crabs, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>bit misleading because in human history and into sort of

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<v Speaker 1>common usage, what is a hermit hermit is someone who

0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:46.640
<v Speaker 1>withdraws from society and or civilization. So it might lead

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:50.119
<v Speaker 1>you to believe that hermit crabs are also loners in

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<v Speaker 1>a certain sense. They are, but you know, that doesn't

0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:57.480
<v Speaker 1>mean that they don't have interactions with others of their kind.

0:27:57.520 --> 0:27:59.640
<v Speaker 1>In fact, they have a lot of interactions, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>very complex. So don't be too literal in thinking that

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:06.280
<v Speaker 1>a hermit crab is an actual hermit, in the same

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<v Speaker 1>way that you wouldn't think that a king crab actually

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<v Speaker 1>rules over decapods or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and this hue is decrees.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. As Mark e. Elidra pointed out in an

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<v Speaker 1>article for Natural History Magazine back in I believe twenty nineteen,

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 1>hermit crabs live actually highly social lives, absolutely full of drama,

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>just way more drama than you'd expect your local human

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:30.719
<v Speaker 1>hermit to have, I'd wager.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I guess unless hermits were like constantly

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 3>fighting one another to try to trade clothes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or a pillar. You know, if you have your

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 1>your pillar, develloers, it'd be like, no, I want the

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 1>I want the taller pillar.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm gonna do exactly. I'm going to bang my

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:47.080
<v Speaker 3>pillar on your pillar until you give me your pillar,

0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 3>unless I decide I want my old pillar back.

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<v Speaker 1>So the various dramas that they encounter and instigate, includes,

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<v Speaker 1>but is not limited to, according to Eldra, commotion of

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<v Speaker 1>social aggregations, intergenerational inheritance of homes, life or death, competitive struggles.

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<v Speaker 1>So the author points out that in contrast to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of other social organisms you might think about, terrestrial

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 1>hermit crabs socialize with non relatives, and this is crazy

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 1>to think about. The reason, he points out, is that

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<v Speaker 1>while they spend most of their lives on land, we're

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 1>talking about terrestrial hermit crabs again, not the aquatic ones.

0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>They spend most of their lives on land, but they

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 1>are born in the sea. That's where the larva larvae

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:39.240
<v Speaker 1>are released. They become mixed in the ocean, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they land on far flung shores via the tides. So

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<v Speaker 1>I want to read this quote from Eldra. He says, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>By the time an immature crab first arrives on land,

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<v Speaker 1>it is therefore far away from any of its relatives,

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<v Speaker 1>encountering instead only an assortment of non kin. Moreover, because

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<v Speaker 1>the abundance of terrestrial hermit crabs on shore stretches of

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<v Speaker 1>beach often measures in the hundreds of thousands or even

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<v Speaker 1>the millions. Each crab is but a stranger within a

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<v Speaker 1>vast crowd.

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<v Speaker 3>However, you know, if you think of a human analogy,

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<v Speaker 3>imagine a bunch of very selfish humans are thrown into

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<v Speaker 3>a mix of you know, they're all living together beside

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<v Speaker 3>one another, and not amongst their kin, just amongst strangers.

0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 3>And you know, maybe imagine they're not very they're not

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<v Speaker 3>very nice people, they're not very inclined to be helpful

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<v Speaker 3>to others. They still might find reasons to hang out

0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 3>around one another, even if they're mostly selfish. And one

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:36.040
<v Speaker 3>of those reasons might be the need for trade or

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<v Speaker 3>an economy of sorts exactly.

0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:40.120
<v Speaker 1>And what are they going to have an economy of

0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 1>sorts about, Well, it's going to be the shell, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>I also like how this idea it kind of matches

0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>up with the you know, the huge stereotype that one

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 1>encounters of big city life, particularly in movies from like

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 1>the seventies and I guess into the eighties as well,

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<v Speaker 1>Like nobody's related to each other in the city. You

0:30:57.400 --> 0:31:00.160
<v Speaker 1>go to the city, it's just everybody's for themselves. You're

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna you're gonna lose your shell in that big city.

0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's kind of kind of that way with

0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:08.479
<v Speaker 1>the crabs here. But anyway, the shells that they use,

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<v Speaker 1>like you've been saying, yeah, these are scavenged from dead mollusks,

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 1>but this is also key. Uh, they have been remodeled.

0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:20.600
<v Speaker 1>These are remodeled homes. Elidra points out. Uh, the crabs

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<v Speaker 1>you when they have when they have a fresh shell

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 1>that is going to like this is okay, something has died,

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 1>as the snail has dyed, and now I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>make this shell into a home. You can't just put

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 1>it on and wear it out. Uh no, No, you

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:35.360
<v Speaker 1>need to use chemical secretions to weaken the shells calcium carbonate,

0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:40.240
<v Speaker 1>as well as additional physical sculpting via your appendages. You're

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<v Speaker 1>going to change the shell into something that absolutely suits

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 1>you and absolutely suits your purposes. Right.

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 3>So this is another way in which one shell is

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<v Speaker 3>not necessarily as good as any other. Size matters a lot,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a sort of inherent feature of the shell,

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<v Speaker 3>but also the the remodeling condition of the shell matters

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:04.680
<v Speaker 3>a lot. There are shells that have been recently renovated,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's much more desirable than a shell that is

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<v Speaker 3>a real fixer upper.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, And this is unique to terrestrial hermit crabs,

0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 1>and we'll get it more into why in a second.

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, as Lighter points out, it's absolutely necessary for

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:22.640
<v Speaker 1>terrestrial hermes because they can't depend on water buoyancy to

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 1>help them carry that shell around. It's just the basic

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:30.000
<v Speaker 1>reality of living out of the water, and some of

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:33.880
<v Speaker 1>these shells can be quite hefty for the crab, and

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:37.080
<v Speaker 1>so by reducing the shell mass, they're lowering the energy

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 1>cost of just traveling across land, and they do a

0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of traveling. Additionally, shell remodeling increases the internal space

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 1>in the shell, allowing not only more room for the crab,

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 1>but more room for increased water reserves to keep the

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:51.760
<v Speaker 1>organism from drying out. Like we mentioned earlier, the importance

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<v Speaker 1>of this being a way to help them sustain themselves

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 1>when they are living times in very hot environments. He

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<v Speaker 1>also points out that while aquatic hermit crabs would conceivably

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 1>benefit from shell remodeling as well, because you know, even

0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 1>though you have buoyancy, lighter shells could still be a benefit, right,

0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:14.120
<v Speaker 1>more internal space could still be a benefit. However, aquatic

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 1>hermit crabs have to contend with shell expert predators in

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:25.760
<v Speaker 1>the ocean, organisms that are highly evolved to bypass shell protections. Therefore,

0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:28.560
<v Speaker 1>it would be a mistake to sacrifice any of your

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 1>shell's protection in order to get any of these benefits. Meanwhile,

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:36.960
<v Speaker 1>on land, the terrestrial hermit crabs have far fewer shell

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:40.719
<v Speaker 1>specialists to contend with, and lighter points to various research

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:43.800
<v Speaker 1>that shown that like your average predator that would be

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<v Speaker 1>messing with a hermit crab is just not going to

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<v Speaker 1>have like the bite power or the not going to

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<v Speaker 1>have the tools necessary to crack open even a partially degraded,

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 1>a partially remodeled hermit crab chosen shell. Now, Joe I

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<v Speaker 1>included a photo. This is from Lydra's paper and an

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:07.440
<v Speaker 1>example of an unmodified versus a modified shell. The central

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:11.000
<v Speaker 1>axis is often removed, but the shell again retains protection

0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 1>against the bite strength of terrestrial predators.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and one thing you can see in this picture

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<v Speaker 3>is that a lot of the effort in the remodeling

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:21.360
<v Speaker 3>seems to be focused on the interior of the shells,

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:24.759
<v Speaker 3>sort of like expanding the interior cavity and making more

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:26.439
<v Speaker 3>room there and smoothing it out.

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and certainly, you know, removing some of the additional

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:33.279
<v Speaker 1>protection of the shell. But again it's apparently not going

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 1>to matter for terrestrial variants now. Like we said, one

0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 1>of the huge factors in hermit crab societies is of

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:52.440
<v Speaker 1>course the need for these shells and the fact that

0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:56.240
<v Speaker 1>as the crab grows and molts, they'll need to abandon

0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 1>smaller shells in favor of larger shells. And as Lidra

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>points out, there's some really interesting about all of this quote.

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Over time, remodeled shells have come to dominate the housing

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 1>market of terrestrial hermit crabs. Exhaustively sampling these housing markets,

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 1>I have found few unremodeled shells, and also few shells

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:19.760
<v Speaker 1>that are still in the process of being remodeled. Most

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:24.560
<v Speaker 1>shells have already been completely remodeled. Remodeled shells present a

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 1>superior home, and as with any superior resource, it is

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 1>understandable that terrestrial hermit crabs should prefer remodeled shells over

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 1>unremodeled shells. However, over evolutionary time, a mere preference has

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:42.480
<v Speaker 1>transformed into an absolute dependence. As remodeled shells accumulated, terrestrial

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 1>hermit crabs came to specialize in living in them, to

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 1>the point that life in unremodeled shells became nearly impossible.

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:53.920
<v Speaker 1>My field experiments revealed that after an early life stage,

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 1>most terrestrial hermit crabs cannot survive in unremodeled shells for

0:35:58.520 --> 0:35:59.719
<v Speaker 1>even a single day.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, Okay, I did not realize that.

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, because you know what's the current hermit crab

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:07.279
<v Speaker 1>to do? If you need a shell, Well, you could

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:11.319
<v Speaker 1>remodel your own shell technically, but most crabs simply can't

0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:13.759
<v Speaker 1>do this anymore, in large part because they end up

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:16.240
<v Speaker 1>too big to access the inner parts of a fresh shell.

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:20.920
<v Speaker 1>So only the smallest immature hermit crabs actually can get

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:23.640
<v Speaker 1>in there and do this, which paradoxically often means that

0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:28.280
<v Speaker 1>they're left with oversized shells. But as such, all terrestrial

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 1>hermit crab individuals highly prefer a remodeled shell over a

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:36.000
<v Speaker 1>fresh one. Even if they can fit inside that fresh

0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 1>shell and conceivably remodel it and make it their own,

0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:43.640
<v Speaker 1>remodeling the shell is still a last resort. Ledra stresses

0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:46.440
<v Speaker 1>that this is this is the only factor that ensures

0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:50.799
<v Speaker 1>the continued creation of remodeled shells. That some hermit crabs

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:52.680
<v Speaker 1>are going to be put in a position where they

0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:55.759
<v Speaker 1>have no choice, wow, because I mean they can do

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:58.959
<v Speaker 1>other things to it should not like a hermit crab

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 1>is left without any thing and there, and we'll touch

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 1>on how this occurs. In a moment. They may use

0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:06.719
<v Speaker 1>something like a bottle cap and that might buy them

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:10.480
<v Speaker 1>a little time, but they need a shell. The thing is,

0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 1>you don't just find many emptied remodeled shells. He points

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:18.840
<v Speaker 1>out that on a given beach, the only empty remodeled

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:21.279
<v Speaker 1>shells you're likely to find are the ones that have

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 1>been physically compromised in one way or another, so like

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:27.920
<v Speaker 1>they're they're broken, they don't actually protect the hermit crab anymore,

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 1>or they're clogged with a rock something like that, they're

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:34.759
<v Speaker 1>no longer functional. The competition for remodeled shells is intense,

0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:37.319
<v Speaker 1>and they're just you're just not going to As a

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:39.160
<v Speaker 1>hermit crab, you are not going to find them out

0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 1>there unless you're extremely lucky. As such, hermit crabs have

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:46.799
<v Speaker 1>to remain vigilant at all times, always looking out for

0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:49.960
<v Speaker 1>a bigger shell, because either you need one or you're

0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:52.240
<v Speaker 1>about to need one, so you need to always be looking.

0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:55.880
<v Speaker 1>And also you have to be peeking over your shoulder

0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:59.800
<v Speaker 1>because there's probably someone eyeing your shell, that is looking

0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 1>for a slightly bigger shell, and they're trying to decide

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:04.319
<v Speaker 1>if it's worth trying to take it from you.

0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 3>Right, So this leads to the fact that hermit crabs

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:11.880
<v Speaker 3>very often get into well, I guess there's some debate

0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:15.480
<v Speaker 3>over how exactly to characterize these encounters, whether they are

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:20.799
<v Speaker 3>purely agonistic fights, or whether you might consider them in

0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:24.239
<v Speaker 3>some way a kind of trade or negotiation. Maybe we

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<v Speaker 3>can talk about that some more in the next episode.

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<v Speaker 3>But they get into these encounters that lead to shell swapping.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're at the very least aggressive negotiations. Yeah, but

0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:40.480
<v Speaker 1>so I'll continue to categorize them as battles. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>give with that caveat in mind. Basically, what seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be happening is one crab will attempt to flip the

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<v Speaker 1>other on its back and force its opponent out of

0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 1>their shell. But as Lijra points out, this kind of

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:56.840
<v Speaker 1>thing can last hours and it might just end in

0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:59.799
<v Speaker 1>a stalemate. It might just end in everyone just going

0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:03.279
<v Speaker 1>home or carrying on with the shell they had two

0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:06.280
<v Speaker 1>hours ago. And that alone, I think that's pretty fascinating.

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Most animal competitions and struggles are fascinating, but it's the

0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:15.280
<v Speaker 1>onlookers that make this even more interesting. Leider writes, quote.

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<v Speaker 1>As bystanders gather at the site, and as the moment

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<v Speaker 1>of evictioneers order emerges out of the chaos of commotion

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:28.040
<v Speaker 1>in the aggregation, the crabs array themselves literally into a line,

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 1>each holding the shell of the crab ahead of it.

0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:35.360
<v Speaker 1>This social formation emanates from the pair of antagonists, with

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<v Speaker 1>the line of crabs there after being size ordered from

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<v Speaker 1>biggest to smallest unquote. Because if a crab is forced

0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:46.800
<v Speaker 1>to give up its shell, the winner will leave its shell,

0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:49.920
<v Speaker 1>and this will set off what's called a vacancy chain.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the onlookers will have a shot at leveling

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<v Speaker 1>up their current shell situation to a new one that

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<v Speaker 1>is slightly bigger.

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<v Speaker 3>You can find video of this online. By the way,

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<v Speaker 3>there are multiple documentaries that have captured versions of this,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's amazing to see they literally do just organize

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:13.200
<v Speaker 3>themselves in a size ordered line where they're each grasping

0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:16.440
<v Speaker 3>the shell of the slightly bigger one, like feeling around

0:40:16.480 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 3>on it, trying to make sure that it's what they want.

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<v Speaker 3>Because the whole process, by the way of in which

0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:26.280
<v Speaker 3>Hermit crabs assess a shell for the qualities they want

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:28.919
<v Speaker 3>is interesting on its own. There seem to be some

0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 3>visual processes going on. They you know, look at a

0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:34.799
<v Speaker 3>shell to assess from a distance whether it's something they

0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:37.320
<v Speaker 3>would want. But that's never enough. They have to inspect

0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:40.279
<v Speaker 3>it physically. They like feel all over it with their

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<v Speaker 3>antennae and their chelly, you know, the claws and the legs.

0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:46.960
<v Speaker 3>And then usually they will want to sort of like

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<v Speaker 3>dip into it with their legs and maybe they're abdomen

0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:53.600
<v Speaker 3>to see if they fit right, and they may end

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<v Speaker 3>up changing their mind and wanting to go back to

0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:59.120
<v Speaker 3>the previous shell, though obviously that could be a tricky

0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:02.560
<v Speaker 3>thing if a bencha, Yeah, hermit crabs are lined up

0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:05.120
<v Speaker 3>all trying to level up at the same time. It

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:06.480
<v Speaker 3>is an amazing thing to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to your point about like sizing up the shell,

0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:12.360
<v Speaker 1>trying it on. Like, sometimes you have a situation where

0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:17.759
<v Speaker 1>you remember the asymmetry of shells and hermit crabs here,

0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:22.360
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes you have a you have like a like

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 1>what a left handed crab trying to get into a

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:27.799
<v Speaker 1>right handed shell or vice versa, And and that's going

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:29.839
<v Speaker 1>to be a situation where the crab is going to

0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:32.440
<v Speaker 1>quickly realize this does not fit, this is not the

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:35.239
<v Speaker 1>shell I want to live. We may come back with

0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:40.120
<v Speaker 1>more details on that regarding the left right handedness and

0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:44.160
<v Speaker 1>hermit crabs and shells. Now, Elidra again points out that

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:47.440
<v Speaker 1>all this competition is based again not on kinship, but

0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:52.480
<v Speaker 1>on selfishness and competition. And he has this wonderful part

0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 1>in the paper where he says that it's what's kind

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 1>of the antithesis of something like a US social ant,

0:41:57.760 --> 0:41:59.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, where all the ants and a call in

0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:02.360
<v Speaker 1>the ark, and they work together to ensure the success

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:06.239
<v Speaker 1>of the colony, the success of their genetic line. But

0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:09.239
<v Speaker 1>that is not the case with the hermit crab. And

0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Leidra writes the following quote. If in an alternative world,

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:17.319
<v Speaker 1>interactions in terrestrial hermit crabs were among close kin rather

0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:20.800
<v Speaker 1>than strangers, then the crabs social lives might be different,

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:25.240
<v Speaker 1>with individuals potentially being more interested in bequeathing their finest

0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 1>shell to a close relative than in stealing the coveted

0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:33.840
<v Speaker 1>shell of a stranger. Now, there have been plenty of

0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:38.719
<v Speaker 1>other researchers and also science journalists and writers and so

0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:42.240
<v Speaker 1>forth that have commented on all of this. Elizabeth Preston

0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 1>wrote all about this topic for The New York Times

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:48.360
<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen in an article titled, even hermit crabs

0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:51.840
<v Speaker 1>have wealth inequality. This was based on a twenty twenty study.

0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:55.319
<v Speaker 1>This is because the New York Times paper came out

0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 1>a month before the twenty twenty study. This was in

0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:02.399
<v Speaker 1>a December publication, so that's why the dates would seem

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:05.000
<v Speaker 1>to be in the wrong order here. But that particular

0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:07.680
<v Speaker 1>paper was a comparison of wealth inequality in humans and

0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:11.200
<v Speaker 1>non humans by Chase at all. This was a study that,

0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:13.520
<v Speaker 1>as I recall, received a fair amount of mainstream attention

0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:17.600
<v Speaker 1>at the time because, of course, wealth inequality is always

0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:20.920
<v Speaker 1>a topic of interest among human beings, and crabs are

0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:26.480
<v Speaker 1>inherently interesting. You can throw hermit crabs into any study

0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:29.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's going to be fascinating, even if there's not

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:30.399
<v Speaker 1>really connective tissue there.

0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:32.160
<v Speaker 3>Well, is there connective tissue here?

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:35.160
<v Speaker 1>To a certain extent, it seems to okay, I mean so,

0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:37.520
<v Speaker 1>in the study, Chase and his co authors gathered around

0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:40.600
<v Speaker 1>three hundred hermit crabs on Long Island Beach and took

0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:44.439
<v Speaker 1>away all their shells, which, okay for science, I will

0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:46.360
<v Speaker 1>allow this, but you know, obviously I can't help it

0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:50.040
<v Speaker 1>sympathize because this is literally all these crabs care about.

0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:54.040
<v Speaker 1>The researchers weighed and measured the various shells, and then

0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 1>they considered how they were distributed across the sample population

0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:03.080
<v Speaker 1>of hermit crab. And this is a quote here from

0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:06.960
<v Speaker 1>that article by Preston quote. The distribution curve they found

0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:10.080
<v Speaker 1>peaked around medium sized shells, then dropped as the shells

0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:13.560
<v Speaker 1>got larger, before tapering off very gradually through the largest

0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:16.920
<v Speaker 1>shells of all this matches the shape of wealth distribution

0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:21.000
<v Speaker 1>curves in many human societies, so it's interesting. But at

0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:24.520
<v Speaker 1>the same time, the New York Times article of citing

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:28.520
<v Speaker 1>anthropologists Monique Molder, points out that we shouldn't get two

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:31.920
<v Speaker 1>carried away comparing hermit crabs to humans in this scenario, because,

0:44:32.400 --> 0:44:34.680
<v Speaker 1>first of all, there are plenty of other factors involved

0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:37.680
<v Speaker 1>in human inequality. You know, it's one of those it's

0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 1>often described as a wicked problem. You know, it's complex

0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:42.799
<v Speaker 1>enough that you can't just point to necessarily there are

0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:47.719
<v Speaker 1>certainly large factors, but there are multiple factors. And Molder here,

0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:51.160
<v Speaker 1>who again as an anthropologist, speculated that vacancy chains are

0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:53.840
<v Speaker 1>probably also not the only factor in terrestrial hermit crabs

0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:56.680
<v Speaker 1>as well. I mean, you know, there are other factors

0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:59.160
<v Speaker 1>as well into how they are dealing with each other,

0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:02.200
<v Speaker 1>even on the the basis of their shells. Still, you know,

0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:04.760
<v Speaker 1>we can't help but compare ourselves to the hermit crabs. Again,

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:07.120
<v Speaker 1>part of it is just that hermit crabs are that interesting,

0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:10.040
<v Speaker 1>and we as human beings are that self absorbed. What

0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:12.800
<v Speaker 1>we can't help but see ourselves in the crabs. We

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 1>can help what anthropomorphize the crabs, and you know, especially

0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 1>when we see them, you know, in a very complex fashion,

0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:24.319
<v Speaker 1>struggle over limited resources like this. That again, I think

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 1>if you're just casually aware of hermit crabs, you might

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:30.120
<v Speaker 1>not realize that just any shell, it's not a situation

0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:32.960
<v Speaker 1>where any shell will do, and it is a situation

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:38.040
<v Speaker 1>where the shells have been augmented, and therefore it's competition

0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:43.120
<v Speaker 1>not just for random garbage left over by dead snails,

0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:49.239
<v Speaker 1>it's competition for mostly previously augmented shells, like the products

0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:52.000
<v Speaker 1>of a hermit crab civilization, if you will.

0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's funny if you think of it as like

0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:59.200
<v Speaker 3>more fighting over fighting over a limited pool of finished

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:01.840
<v Speaker 3>goods rather than creating new goods. It's almost like a

0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:07.719
<v Speaker 3>human post apocalyptic scenario exactly. Yeah, it's kind of mad Max.

0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:10.120
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of Fallout right. It reminds me that in

0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:12.640
<v Speaker 1>at least some of the Fallout games you do encounter

0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:15.680
<v Speaker 1>a giant hermit crab that is using what some sort

0:46:15.680 --> 0:46:17.600
<v Speaker 1>of like a bus or something like a school bus

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:20.880
<v Speaker 1>for it's uh, it's abdomen. I can't remember offhand, but

0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:23.200
<v Speaker 1>I remember when I would when I would play the

0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:26.440
<v Speaker 1>most recent Fallout game, I would occasionally encounter that that

0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 1>creature and yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's it's interesting.

0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Where are they getting all these school buses? What are

0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:35.480
<v Speaker 1>they changing about? I guess they're taking all the seats out?

0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:37.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, is it a right handed bus or a left

0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:38.760
<v Speaker 3>handed bus?

0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:41.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Yeah, And are they sizing up from

0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:45.040
<v Speaker 1>different buses? Like they start with a like a shorter bus,

0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:46.840
<v Speaker 1>then they go to a full sized school bus, and

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:49.160
<v Speaker 1>they're going to like a megabus. Then it's a double

0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:52.920
<v Speaker 1>decker bus. Those are only that's only in Fallout London propertly,

0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:56.279
<v Speaker 1>But you know, uh, you could go wild with with

0:46:56.320 --> 0:46:56.880
<v Speaker 1>the scenario.

0:46:57.160 --> 0:46:59.839
<v Speaker 3>Well, hey, we've got more hermit crab stuff to talk about,

0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:01.640
<v Speaker 3>So join us again next time.

0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:04.400
<v Speaker 1>That's right, we have some more content lined up regarding

0:47:04.400 --> 0:47:05.880
<v Speaker 1>the hermit crabs. We're going to fish around for a

0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:09.920
<v Speaker 1>bit more. Because I'm a hermit crabs. There's a lot

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:12.880
<v Speaker 1>of research out there. That's one of the reasons I

0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 1>felt pretty secure in going in and discussing them again,

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:17.359
<v Speaker 1>even though we've discussed them in the past, because there's

0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:20.839
<v Speaker 1>constantly new hermit crab research coming out and there are

0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:26.200
<v Speaker 1>some remaining mysteries and controversies about hermit crabs. So we'll

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:29.120
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