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Speaker 2: excited to do that. We don't have a ton in
Speaker 2: the way of news, just that there's more football happening
Speaker 2: tomorrow or today, depending on when you listen to this.
Speaker 2: The PAC twelve may vote tonight, today, tomorrow, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but at the time of our recording they have not.
Speaker 2: I have seen that in a couple of counties that
Speaker 2: house Pack twelve programs, Lane County, which is where the
Speaker 2: University of Oregon is, and Boulder County, which is obviously
Speaker 2: where the University of Colorado is. There have been some
Speaker 2: spikes that have been problematic as for gatherings, but at
Speaker 2: the same time, California has made further exemptions for college
Speaker 2: football teams to practice and gather in large groups. So
Speaker 2: a totally uneven situation, but we'd expect nothing less given
Speaker 2: everything about twenty twenty. Can I ask a question, Maybe
Speaker 2: it's a dumb one. I know, man, all of our
Speaker 2: questions are dumb, so this is just standard.
Speaker 1: Hit me, what is the deal with these votes?
Speaker 2: The votes?
Speaker 1: The votes right, Like if you read the press clippings
Speaker 1: on these so called votes, right, we didn't even know
Speaker 1: if one actually happened in the Big ten. Even chancellors
Speaker 1: in eighties didn't know, like, oh, we don't know.
Speaker 2: That kind of did or not. Yeah, it's all very unclear.
Speaker 1: But is what is the deal with these votes? I
Speaker 1: need to know more about the process by which they
Speaker 1: are conducted, because you know the way it is sounding
Speaker 1: through all of these press reports that I've read, it's
Speaker 1: like they're choosing a pope. It's veiled in secrecy until
Speaker 1: the white smoke comes out the PAC twelve chimney, at
Speaker 1: which point we'll learn of the schedule. Yeah. No, in reality,
Speaker 1: it's probably a very laggy zoom call, right, like, how
Speaker 1: are they doing the votes at this moment in time
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, Because my guess is it couldn't be
Speaker 1: farther from how I perceive it or we perceive it
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's all over zoom. In terms of
Speaker 2: the technical aspect, it's all over zoom. And I guess
Speaker 2: you just I don't know if you raise a hand,
Speaker 2: I don't know, if you put on a white hat,
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's something some sort of indicator
Speaker 2: that you are for or against having a season. I
Speaker 2: think it largely depends on not schools actually wanting to play,
Speaker 2: but based on what the given thresholds are. So, I
Speaker 2: mean we were on the same page with that in
Speaker 2: terms of what schools do in certain situations and what
Speaker 2: numbers might have to look like to cancel or something
Speaker 2: like that. But yeah, I think we're talking about a
Speaker 2: probably basic YAYNA, nothing more complicated than that. And it's
Speaker 2: the conference pitching very specific details to these schools which
Speaker 2: is determining the ANA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, is Oregon's president dabbling with the
Speaker 1: programmatic background with a duck or the UO behind.
Speaker 2: Like I just, oh, you're talking about a physical a
Speaker 2: physical visual background.
Speaker 1: They but you can do it. You can do it digitally,
Speaker 1: you can upload image and you can kind of make
Speaker 1: it seem like you're one with technology. I just I
Speaker 1: need to know more about the voting process, the meeting process.
Speaker 1: I feel like a real accurate account, an oral history
Speaker 1: of that is exactly what I need for this moment
Speaker 1: in time.
Speaker 2: So you're not necessarily interested in the different points that
Speaker 2: are raised, not a different threshold, not care less how
Speaker 2: scheduling might work. You are interested in who is the
Speaker 2: most awkward technological parents of all of the presidents and chancellors,
Speaker 2: Who does not know how to unmute themselves exactly, can't
Speaker 2: turn the camera on, who accidentally walks, doesn't realize that
Speaker 2: it's a full body shot and is wearing boxer shorts
Speaker 2: or something like that. Okay, I like that. I like
Speaker 2: that element of it. So it's sort of like school
Speaker 2: presidents and chancellors. They're just like our dumbest aunts and
Speaker 2: uncles who are much you're looking for?
Speaker 1: Who among us is going to pick the photo from
Speaker 1: the beach trip last year and use it as the
Speaker 1: backdrop in this zoom? Like? You know that happens. Of
Speaker 1: course that happens. These just all know each other. You
Speaker 1: know that happens. How are your work calls? I want
Speaker 1: you to get in trouble right now? Are your work calls?
Speaker 1: Is there always somebody on a group meeting that goes
Speaker 1: for it on the zoom? No, we don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of video calls actually really yeah, I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people out there do, but we don't. We
Speaker 1: haven't had a whole lot of those. It's really only
Speaker 1: as needed. But it's been a learning curve, I think
Speaker 1: for a lot of in America, you know, to kind
Speaker 1: of adapt to this new reality of having to be
Speaker 1: on camera.
Speaker 2: Not something we're too during early on a few months ago,
Speaker 2: when we were in California, we did weekly trivia with
Speaker 2: my in laws and you know it's cousins and whoever.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a few different people on the zoom
Speaker 2: call Zoom trivia, And it was always the older participants
Speaker 2: that couldn't really get a good hold on the mute
Speaker 2: un mute situation. So you'd ask a question like this
Speaker 2: is the stupidest FN question, like we can hear you, mom? Yeah, Mom,
Speaker 2: I can hear you. And that's always fun, it's always
Speaker 2: wonderful to uh to like say, guys, mute. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's right there. So I'm positive this is happening on
Speaker 2: these PAC twelve, big ten whatever calls.
Speaker 1: Eight way headset, a headset with a mute button is
Speaker 1: essential right now, Essential to own, essential, to have, an
Speaker 1: essential to master. I am still mastering mine, and I
Speaker 1: believe I was on a phone call during which I
Speaker 1: threatened to take my puppy back to New Jersey and
Speaker 1: everyone in the room heard it.
Speaker 2: But I would like there to be a requirement on
Speaker 2: these calls that every participant brings, like a twelve year
Speaker 2: old or a twenty three year old to the call
Speaker 2: to just monitor things from a quality control standpoint, a.
Speaker 1: QC standpoint, perhaps an added staff member.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you can't figure that out. You shouldn't
Speaker 2: be figuring out a season.
Speaker 1: Well, welcome back. Yeah, we do talk college football mostly.
Speaker 1: I do need to know more about this. So if
Speaker 1: we have any insight sources out there, solidverbal at gmail
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Speaker 1: these games, start thinking through maybe how you want to
Speaker 1: call the reverblind this weekend. Yeah, you know, four to
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Speaker 1: in the moment we went in the moment reaction. As
Speaker 1: you're watching these games, the SEC is underway. Dan, My
Speaker 1: guess is there's a lot of raw pent up, a
Speaker 1: motion that just needs a needs an outlet for water.
Speaker 1: One give us a call.
Speaker 2: And we're getting closer to Big ten seasons. So perhaps
Speaker 2: Big ten people watching from the sidelines have thoughts. I'm
Speaker 2: seeing this was new to me. I'm just seeing this
Speaker 2: headline now as we record this. It looks like Rondelle
Speaker 2: Moore opting back in great great as of eight minutes ago.
Speaker 1: Open enrollment, Baby, open enrollment come and go as you please,
Speaker 1: but only for a few weeks.
Speaker 2: So the Big Ten, with the addition of both Rondelle
Speaker 2: Moore and Rashad Bateman getting better at receiver. This is
Speaker 2: good news, This.
Speaker 1: Is great news. I love Rondelle Moore, We do love
Speaker 1: ronde I mean he's tipped these he's tipped his hand
Speaker 1: at this point that he's going through after the year.
Speaker 1: But that's okay, it's fine. Come on back, baby.
Speaker 2: I think we mentioned the Notre Dame Wake Forest cancelation,
Speaker 2: but since then, also it's been Tulsa, Arkansas State, South
Speaker 2: Florida FAU, and North Texas. Houston. Houston just the worst
Speaker 2: low in terms of scheduling. It's toss season. They tried
Speaker 2: to to to set something up real quick with Baylor
Speaker 2: and that fell through, and now Houston North Texas has
Speaker 2: fallen through on and it's because of situations at North Texas,
Speaker 2: not anything to do with Houston positive tests as far
Speaker 2: as I have seen. So it's it's a really rough
Speaker 2: way because it seems like the players have done everything
Speaker 2: they've been asked to stay safe and adhere to all
Speaker 2: the protocols. So it looks like by my count, four
Speaker 2: games postponed, but still a number of them hopefully moving
Speaker 2: forward in healthy fun ways.
Speaker 1: Should we get to our game this year, I'd love
Speaker 1: to UFO, baby, UFO. Let's do it.
Speaker 2: Who what's what's this week's you time? This week Friday orbit.
Speaker 1: Is ultraviolet Dan? Okay, okay, welcome on in to our
Speaker 1: ultraviolet Friday orbit. Would you like to hear why it
Speaker 1: is a ultra violet Friddy orbit? Dan? Of course, what
Speaker 1: do you know about UV light? Have you ever heard
Speaker 1: of UV? Ultraviolet light?
Speaker 2: Yes? I know it comes from the sun.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: Correct, It's why I have to wear sun's screen. It
Speaker 2: can do damage to you. I know you can't see
Speaker 2: it even though it has the word violet. And it'd
Speaker 2: be really cool if you knew if it was an
Speaker 2: especially purple day. But I actually did a little bit
Speaker 2: of research because you can do space photography with ultraviolet light.
Speaker 2: Using ultraviolet light. The Swift Observatory, it's a satellite up
Speaker 2: in space taking pictures. Do you know where the Swift
Speaker 2: Observatory satellite is? I mean the mission of the Swift
Speaker 2: Observatory satellite is run through.
Speaker 1: I mean DeAndre Swift. No, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It does have to me a vaguely college football connection
Speaker 2: the Pennsylvania State University.
Speaker 1: Oh I should know this.
Speaker 2: The Neil Garrels Swift Observatory shooting high res ultraviolet space
Speaker 2: photography galaxies far far away on film. I should have
Speaker 2: known that, but a last I did not know that.
Speaker 2: Shout out to gamma rays.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Dan. Uv light makes up about ten percent of
Speaker 1: the radiation emitted from our sun. It is harmful to people.
Speaker 1: It can cause skin cancer or just a plane old
Speaker 1: fashioned sunburn. But but but but but but it is
Speaker 1: also beneficial because it causes the body to produce vitamin D,
Speaker 1: which is essential to life.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is.
Speaker 1: So, It's kind of like the ultimate double edged sword.
Speaker 1: And in our weird little world here of college football,
Speaker 1: it is sort of a metaphor for how we treat
Speaker 1: the sport, is it not? It? For sure?
Speaker 2: Is ultraviolet light the cause and solution to all of
Speaker 2: skin's issues? Right?
Speaker 1: So today, Dan, Yeah, today we are examining the fringe
Speaker 1: cases in the great sport of college football. We're looking
Speaker 1: at quarterbacks who could either kill your team or make
Speaker 1: it stronger on any given week.
Speaker 2: I like this a lot.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So when I kind of came up
Speaker 1: with this concept, the guy who came to mind first
Speaker 1: and foremost was Kenny Pickett. And I don't mean to
Speaker 1: pick on Pitt. I'm not trying to pick on anybody.
Speaker 2: But pick on pit Kenny pick It, okay.
Speaker 1: But Kenny Pickett, Canny Pickett, I think is a really
Speaker 1: good case for discussion here. Right Like we've seen him
Speaker 1: have three hundred yard games, we've also seen him decidedly
Speaker 1: not have three hundred yard games and almost look like
Speaker 1: he doesn't know what he's doing out there. There are
Speaker 1: other names on this list that maybe aren't quite as extreme,
Speaker 1: but everyone kind of falls into that fringe territory of
Speaker 1: which version of this quarterback are we going to get?
Speaker 1: This week?
Speaker 2: We start with Kny pick How do you feel about
Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett? How do I feel about Kenny Pickett?
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Kenny Pickett?
Speaker 2: I don't think he has a ceiling as an upper
Speaker 2: half acc quarterback. And if Pitt isn't running the ball
Speaker 2: like they did two or three years ago, there is
Speaker 2: there is very little way to see a pit game
Speaker 2: that he is not doing basically as much damage as
Speaker 2: he is doing good. And so I am I understand
Speaker 2: the double edged sword, because he's put up some pretty
Speaker 2: good statistical games, but I'm just it's hard for me
Speaker 2: to see him circling around, orbiting around to becoming not
Speaker 2: an issue, right Like, I don't think he is going
Speaker 2: to get to the point where he can just not
Speaker 2: throw interceptions and do well enough on third down and
Speaker 2: not be a reason Pit wins, just not be a
Speaker 2: reason Pit loses. I don't think he has that ceiling,
Speaker 2: which is a bummer because because their defense has gotten
Speaker 2: to be really, really strong. I think I agree with that.
Speaker 2: So here's the deal with Picket so far this season.
Speaker 2: Pitts obviously to and no beat Austin p beat Syracuse.
Speaker 2: Going to get harder this week against Louisville.
Speaker 1: For sure. Anny Picket both games basically seventy percent completion percentage.
Speaker 1: First game against Austin P they lit up Austin P
Speaker 1: fifty five nothing. He had like fourteen yards per attempt.
Speaker 1: But after that against Syracuse. I know Syracuse is making
Speaker 1: some upgrades on defense. I don't know if they've all
Speaker 1: taken yet, but only six yards per attempt. If you
Speaker 1: go back and look at what Pickett did last year,
Speaker 1: there are plenty of games in there six yards or
Speaker 1: fewer per attempt. Yeah, we do have instances where that
Speaker 1: was not the case. We have an instance against Penn
Speaker 1: State in particular, where he threw for three hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy two yards and was well over seven per attempt.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 1: It's a but which Kenny Pickett are we going to
Speaker 1: get this year? The remainder of the way. Are we
Speaker 1: going to get the Kenny Pickett that through for three
Speaker 1: hundred yards not once, not twice, not thrice, but five
Speaker 1: times last season? Or are we going to get the
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett that through for one hundred and forty six
Speaker 1: yards against Miami Florida last year? Which Kenny Pickett are
Speaker 1: we going to get the rest of the way?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's going to be somewhere in between. I
Speaker 2: don't have their exact schedule in front of me, but
Speaker 2: I you watch him play football, and I imagine Pitt
Speaker 2: fans know this all too well. Even after a really
Speaker 2: impressive play from him, you're going to get two or
Speaker 2: three throwing off of his back foot, stepping into the
Speaker 2: wrong lane or wrong pocket area. There's just an awareness
Speaker 2: issue with Kenny Pickett that if he hasn't overcome it
Speaker 2: by now hope to be wrong. It seems like he
Speaker 2: just sort of is what he is. So he might
Speaker 2: give you a couple of glimpses, but for every one
Speaker 2: of those, you know, three hundred and twenty three, three
Speaker 2: forty four. There's going to be another couple duds. That's
Speaker 2: who he is to me.
Speaker 1: Couple duds.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: I mentioned Penn State. Let's let's stay in the great
Speaker 1: state of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: He threw the ball fifty one times, by the way
Speaker 2: against Penn State to get to three hundred and seventy two.
Speaker 2: So correct. Yeah, sorry about Sean Clifford. Okay, I have
Speaker 2: better things to say about Shan Clifford.
Speaker 1: Sean Clifford twenty three touchdown passes a year ago to
Speaker 1: only seven interceptions. He was also fairly mobile on the ground,
Speaker 1: ran for four hundred yards on the year five rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 1: I think that's an element of his game that Kirk
Speaker 1: Sharaka is going to look to try and get more
Speaker 1: out of.
Speaker 2: We've probably said Kirk Sharaka's name more than any other
Speaker 2: non Penn State podcast this offseason. Probably. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was on YouTube looking up pronunciations of that name.
Speaker 1: That's my go to for Of course, I felt like
Speaker 1: Sean Clifford got worse. I know he was nicked up.
Speaker 1: I never got the impression that in his twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: campaign he was necessarily getting better, and.
Speaker 2: You were never really a fan of the Ricky Ronnie
Speaker 2: offense to begin with, and so when he's beat up
Speaker 2: running an offense that you weren't a fan of as
Speaker 2: somebody who paid close attention to this offense, it doesn't
Speaker 2: feel like a great cocktail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt like an album that had no continuity
Speaker 1: from track to track. Okay, Yeah, there were predictable qualities
Speaker 1: to that Ricky Ronnie album, but there just didn't feel
Speaker 1: like there was continuity, like it was going somewhere, like
Speaker 1: it was trying to tell a story. And I do
Speaker 1: think Clifford was a bit of a victim there and
Speaker 1: that if he did not show improvement from the start
Speaker 1: to the finish, play calling had a lot to do
Speaker 1: with it. But we obviously haven't seen what his twenty
Speaker 1: twenty campaign looks like yet because they have a few
Speaker 1: weeks before they actually start playing. So I guess all
Speaker 1: we have to go in is one year. Damn. What
Speaker 1: was your reaction to what we saw in year one
Speaker 1: under Clifford?
Speaker 2: I went back and watched the Minnesota game because that
Speaker 2: felt like there was a good mix of the good
Speaker 2: and bad. Accuracy issues for sure, downfield. He let a
Speaker 2: lot of balls hang like his deeper ball even his
Speaker 2: longer intermediate passes left a lot to be desired in
Speaker 2: terms of arm strength and touch. But I came away
Speaker 2: impressed with, you know, his ability to extend to play.
Speaker 2: I guess it's that indescribable moxie, the word that you
Speaker 2: love so much, Like I felt like Sean Clifford had
Speaker 2: a good amount of that with his ability to run
Speaker 2: and extend plays. I came away saying, Okay, if Penn
Speaker 2: State's running an offense where they're not depending on him
Speaker 2: to rifle balls downfield to tight creases, now they probably
Speaker 2: will against teams like I don't know, Michigan and Ohio
Speaker 2: State during his time at Penn State, But if they're
Speaker 2: not on that as part of the offense, if they're
Speaker 2: able to run the ball more and he has more
Speaker 2: wide open receivers because of play action and Journey Brown
Speaker 2: running well and Pat fryarn me with being able to
Speaker 2: go up and get balls, that to me becomes really interesting.
Speaker 2: If that's what Kirk Sharaka's offense looks like at Penn State,
Speaker 2: that it's more custom made for what Sean Clifford can
Speaker 2: and can't do because if it looks like if the
Speaker 2: offense looks like what Joe moorehead was running with Trace McSorley,
Speaker 2: where they were really bombing downfield a ton and Trace
Speaker 2: McSorley with time was completing a lot of those passes.
Speaker 2: I don't think Sean Clifford's set up to succeed at
Speaker 2: Penn State. But if it's quick hitting, if it's slants,
Speaker 2: if it screens, if it's wide open play action, I
Speaker 2: think he should take a nice step forward given his
Speaker 2: ability to run and with what I think it will
Speaker 2: be a better offensive coordinator situation. Is that is any
Speaker 2: of that out of bounds?
Speaker 1: No, it is a better offensive coordinator situation. I hate
Speaker 1: to say it, but by default it's better.
Speaker 2: Do they have a problem out wide? Though they who
Speaker 2: is wide? It's who's the problem out wide? I don't
Speaker 2: know that's that's okay? Sorry, sorry, let me let me rephrase.
Speaker 2: Do they have a problem in a good way? Do
Speaker 2: they have a guy who will be a problem to
Speaker 2: other Big ten defenses without you know, obviously kJ Hammler's
Speaker 2: gone right, like, is there that go to dude? Out wide?
Speaker 2: Friar youth looks to be promising up the middle, but
Speaker 2: is there somebody's like, oh, safety's gonna have to keep
Speaker 2: an eye on him.
Speaker 1: Look, I heard the question. The answer is still I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. That's that's I think one
Speaker 1: of the great unknowns about the twenty twenty campaign. Ken
Speaker 1: Johan Dotson, step up right, he's a name people know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he hasn't yet, he said flashes. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I honestly, just In Shorter did not work out and
Speaker 2: he transferred.
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know. So I could list names off,
Speaker 1: but the truth of the matter is I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if any of those guys
Speaker 1: are going to rise to that level to really be
Speaker 1: the go to.
Speaker 2: So no, no, I think it is part of it.
Speaker 1: None of what you said is out of bounds, and
Speaker 1: I think that's a that's a big part of it.
Speaker 1: He did have a little bit of that Ian book
Speaker 1: quality to him, in that he was gritty and tough
Speaker 1: and he could run if he had to, but also
Speaker 1: wet marker type yeah, but also stared a little bit
Speaker 1: too much at the defenders coming at him and got
Speaker 1: some happy feet and a little bit of deer in
Speaker 1: headlights from time to time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he the Iowa game was rough, and I don't
Speaker 2: know when exactly he got dinged up, but his numbers
Speaker 2: fell off a cliff really into October, like it didn't
Speaker 2: happen all that late into the year. It was. The
Speaker 2: Purdue game was probably his last good one. I mean,
Speaker 2: he did a decent enough job bringing Penn State back
Speaker 2: against Minnesota, but you know, had backbreaking interceptions. Penn State
Speaker 2: wins that game if not for the turnover.
Speaker 1: Not for the turnovers, No, for sure, let's go to
Speaker 1: your boy, Max Duggin. I know you. We can't go
Speaker 1: a day on the Soliverble Slack channel without you talking
Speaker 1: about Max doug In. This Max back eligible.
Speaker 2: I'm not eligible, but back, healthy cleared.
Speaker 1: Back healthy cleared. We're grateful for that. I am looking
Speaker 1: forward to seeing his twenty twenty campaign get underway whenever
Speaker 1: that is. Don't know if it's going to be this weekend.
Speaker 1: But you're a huge Max dug and fan, Dan, aren't you.
Speaker 2: I like his arm strength more than Clifford's. I think
Speaker 2: his top end speed is higher than Clifford's as well.
Speaker 2: I worry about a little bit about receivers in the
Speaker 2: offense at TCU after taking the step back that it took.
Speaker 2: It was rough, It like full on difficult to watch
Speaker 2: last year. And I know people were pointing to his
Speaker 2: dual threat ability in the yards he was able to
Speaker 2: pick up on the ground, but there was in watching
Speaker 2: Max Duggan. I watched a quarterback who probably should have
Speaker 2: red shirted, who probably should have taken time to get
Speaker 2: mental reps because the mistakes that he made seemed to
Speaker 2: be you know, communications, breakdowns with receivers, not understanding his
Speaker 2: reads and who to read, and you know, it was
Speaker 2: it was a happy feed situation. And I know he
Speaker 2: was thrust into that starting role. I'm sure he was
Speaker 2: the best option. You know, TCU has had transfer issues
Speaker 2: and injury issues, so that was probably the best move
Speaker 2: and he was a playmaker. So I'm I'm encouraged that
Speaker 2: he can be someone who develops with those mental reps
Speaker 2: into a top half of the Big twelve quarterback. But
Speaker 2: TCU ceiling if he doesn't take a noticeable jump this year.
Speaker 2: It's hard to imagine that they can just be led
Speaker 2: by you know, running the ball and defense and him
Speaker 2: not turning the ball over. They're going to need a
Speaker 2: plus year for Max Duggan to have any chance of
Speaker 2: taking a step forward, or else they're going to waste
Speaker 2: what looks to be another pretty good defense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's I think that's accurate. I would
Speaker 1: point to some of the efficiency numbers though, that we
Speaker 1: saw last year, and they just they weren't efficient through
Speaker 1: the air at all. No, as a whole. I remember
Speaker 1: doing the TCU preview year ago expecting more out of
Speaker 1: the ground game. Then ultimately they ended up getting it.
Speaker 1: I mean, they were fine on the ground. I'm not
Speaker 1: implying they were a terrible rushing team or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but I expected more. We didn't get it, And I
Speaker 1: think you're right to say that there was definitely a
Speaker 1: he should have red shirted quality to what we saw
Speaker 1: a year ago. That said, I think the potential jumps
Speaker 1: off the page at you. Yeah, you can look at
Speaker 1: the numbers and they tell you one story, but if
Speaker 1: you watch him out there, there's a moxie that I like.
Speaker 2: No, there's an element, especially with the way he runs
Speaker 2: the ball, that if they can better tailor the offense
Speaker 2: to his dual threat ability, it should open things up.
Speaker 2: In the past game, I don't know if it's more
Speaker 2: zone read stuff. I don't know if it's more rollout stuff,
Speaker 2: quick read or go kind of things for him. But
Speaker 2: down Max Duggan, and this was it was an offensive
Speaker 2: issue at every level, but down Max Duggan brought t
Speaker 2: Seed down. He was the reason. I mean, every quarterback
Speaker 2: is if an offense has a down game basically, but
Speaker 2: it was another like it. It was kind of Kenny
Speaker 2: pickettish to me that it becomes very tough TV to
Speaker 2: watch and I am desperate to watch football. And what
Speaker 2: TCU's offense looked like at times against the better teams
Speaker 2: on their schedule, it was just bad TV.
Speaker 1: Speaking of bad TV, let's talk about Jared Guarantano.
Speaker 2: Okay, well this, I mean there's a very stark contrast here.
Speaker 1: I'm ready, Yeah, I don't feel like Guarantanno has gotten
Speaker 1: any better, and he has I don't know. There is
Speaker 1: a definitive Boomer bust quality to Guarantano, and the extremes
Speaker 1: are are pretty polarizing. We've got games where last year
Speaker 1: he threw for over four hundred against Missouri. We've got
Speaker 1: other games that have been far from four hundred, and
Speaker 1: he's gotten hurt where do we stand on Guarantano? Is
Speaker 1: he getting better? How do you feel about him? Within
Speaker 1: the framework of the twenty twenty Tennessee campaign.
Speaker 2: So quarterback was sort of up in the air for Tennessee.
Speaker 2: They rotated, they started Brian Moore or whatever, and it
Speaker 2: sort of I think, can shake a quarterback's confidence. Physically good,
Speaker 2: Jarrett Guarantano is crazy impressive now. The bottom of the
Speaker 2: SEC is where he made a lot of his hay
Speaker 2: last year, and so he was pretty bad in extended
Speaker 2: time against the best teams on Tennessee schedule. Now their
Speaker 2: schedule should be better this year in terms of the
Speaker 2: hit after hit after hit. But it's just the way
Speaker 2: he was not able to come out of the gates
Speaker 2: last year was definitely a knock against him. He was,
Speaker 2: I guess okay against Georgia State and not that great
Speaker 2: against BYU, and then things just got worse over the
Speaker 2: first half of that season. But he did, to me
Speaker 2: regain some confidence at least against the lower part of
Speaker 2: the conference. Now, Tennessee has designs of being and I
Speaker 2: think rightfully so competitive against the class of the conference,
Speaker 2: and so for jareded Garantano to be a part of
Speaker 2: that improvement. It's I mean, it's basically all going to
Speaker 2: be on his consistency and accuracy. And he's had a
Speaker 2: number of different offensive coordinators. He has now year two
Speaker 2: with Jim Cheney seems like he's irrefutably the dude. And
Speaker 2: so now going into this year, it's the winnable games
Speaker 2: that he has to perform much much better, and so
Speaker 2: last year that was Georgia State and BYU. Of course.
Speaker 2: Beyond that, though, when he had extended periods of time
Speaker 2: last year, especially that second half, he looked more confident.
Speaker 2: He was stepping into his throes, he was extending plays
Speaker 2: with his feet, he was spreading the ball out nicely.
Speaker 2: So I think his upside is still fine. What he
Speaker 2: has around him is it seems like it's more impressive
Speaker 2: than it ever has been, even losing a couple of
Speaker 2: big pass catchers. So I'm cautiously optimistic that his slope
Speaker 2: is moving, maybe not sharply, but upward. And so he
Speaker 2: was confident going downfields in November. I think it'll carry
Speaker 2: over somewhat given the continuity just with the coaching staff,
Speaker 2: and I saw Jeremy Proul got an extension as well.
Speaker 2: I don't know that's not going to affect him, but
Speaker 2: the continuity to me seems like a big deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I you know, here's a thing. It's been a
Speaker 1: work in progress at Tennessee for a long time. This
Speaker 1: is not lost on Tennessee fans anywhere. It's been a
Speaker 1: work in progress. I think they've got the guy now
Speaker 1: with Jeremy Pruett. The way the team played, especially on defense,
Speaker 1: I keep coming back to this. Down the stretch last
Speaker 1: year was really telling about where this team is at
Speaker 1: and that they've bought into his system. The offense should
Speaker 1: be a lot better this year. I've locked Tennessee up
Speaker 1: by the way Week one on the road South Carolina
Speaker 1: at night minus three. I don't like locking up road teams,
Speaker 1: but I think this core that is coming back on
Speaker 1: both sides of the football for the balls is really
Speaker 1: exciting and if you're a Valls fan, you should feel
Speaker 1: good about it. The running game I think should improve.
Speaker 1: It has to improve. It's going to be year two
Speaker 1: under offensive consultant Jim Cheney. If Guaran Tano can get
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a support net, he probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to do as much in order to improve.
Speaker 1: That is what I am counting on. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if from a skills standpoint, we've seen anything that
Speaker 1: makes me feel all that excited about his ability to
Speaker 1: get better. But I think if the system improves, it's
Speaker 1: got like a rising tide lifting all boats quality to it,
Speaker 1: and his numbers will improve and Tennessee will improve.
Speaker 2: Two, if Tennessee is to have a definitively improved season
Speaker 2: given the tennisans from last year, they have to win
Speaker 2: their first two games. That's mandatory. They have to win
Speaker 2: on the road in Columbia, and they have to beat
Speaker 2: Missou with the first year head coach in Knoxville. On
Speaker 2: the back half of their schedule, which is I mean
Speaker 2: the three other four final games, it's hosting Texas A
Speaker 2: and M, Auburn on the road, Florida at home. So
Speaker 2: if they're able to start to and zero, it's that
Speaker 2: A and M game at home that I have circled
Speaker 2: like this is the referendum on Tennessee progress. Texas A
Speaker 2: and M at home coming out week after Fayetteville and
Speaker 2: Arkansas on the road. If they're able to beat Texas
Speaker 2: A and M in Knoxville, there is your proof of
Speaker 2: concept of not just Jarrick Garantano, but Tennessee as.
Speaker 1: A whole, let's stay with A and M. Then you
Speaker 1: mentioned ABM. Kellen Mond is an interesting case here. We
Speaker 1: talked about him last year, at least I did in
Speaker 1: the context of first off, the schedule was brutal nine
Speaker 1: did not do them any favors, but it was always
Speaker 1: a situation where they were going to go as far
Speaker 1: as Kellen Mond could take him, and ultimately they ended
Speaker 1: up going what eight and five throughout the course of
Speaker 1: the year wonon the bowl game. Seven and five, I think,
Speaker 1: again a byproduct of the schedule. Good enough team, top
Speaker 1: twenty ish team.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about Kellamond?
Speaker 1: I like him, and I think unhealthily so okay, I
Speaker 1: think I'm way too high on Kellen Mond than perhaps
Speaker 1: I should be. You do have these yippie moments where
Speaker 1: he makes a really bad throw, but then at the
Speaker 1: same time he is very indicative of this game, right, Like,
Speaker 1: there are qualities to Kellen Mond that you look at him,
Speaker 1: you see him out there running around, you see him
Speaker 1: scoreing eight touchdowns, you see him making a big time throw.
Speaker 1: It's like, and this kid's got a lot of promise.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: You can't say that though without at least acknowledging the downside,
Speaker 1: like there's plenty of that too.
Speaker 2: I totally agree. I rewatched all of his throws from
Speaker 2: the Georgia game because I specifically wanted to look at
Speaker 2: for any of these guys games in which they sort
Speaker 2: of were their most average self, and had they been better,
Speaker 2: they probably would have given their team a better chance
Speaker 2: to win. Now, that was a close game, that Georgia game.
Speaker 2: That was a questionably officiated game, to say the very least.
Speaker 2: But I came away from that game and just from
Speaker 2: the general Kellen monding, general Kellen Mond experience. Excuse me,
Speaker 2: always returning to the phrase where was this Kellen Mond earlier?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Where is this Kellenmond against this team? Where was this
Speaker 2: Kellen Mond against that team? Where was this Kelen moond
Speaker 2: in the first quarter, the second quarter? Because against that
Speaker 2: Georgia defense, mind you, maybe the best pass defense in
Speaker 2: the country, incredible pasty defense. He was stepping into his
Speaker 2: own offensive line after holding the ball too long early
Speaker 2: on in that game. He was missing open slants, missing
Speaker 2: open hitches, makeable throws, throws that would have taken Texas
Speaker 2: A and M from second to ten, to third and
Speaker 2: three or to a first down, and then he's he's
Speaker 2: making those throws in the fourth quarter. And mind you,
Speaker 2: they didn't get into the end zone the first three
Speaker 2: quarters of that game, but he was when there was
Speaker 2: an urgency to the game. He became a gamer. I
Speaker 2: just need to see four straight quarters of that Kellen Mond.
Speaker 2: He sales a lot of balls. He takes a little
Speaker 2: bit too long in the pocket sometimes, but the best
Speaker 2: of Kellen Mond, both as a runner and as a thrower,
Speaker 2: is pretty intriguing. It doesn't seem like Jimbo and that
Speaker 2: staff fully trust him to go downfield a ton, which
Speaker 2: is fine, play within your ability and if you're constrained
Speaker 2: by your system, just played to the best of that system. Whatever.
Speaker 2: But now without potentially his number one receiver, I don't
Speaker 2: know how much both he is going to be trusted,
Speaker 2: the receivers are going to be trusted. I know there's
Speaker 2: in some intriguing speed in college station, but I'm fascinated
Speaker 2: to see with and I have texts, say and M
Speaker 2: schedule in front of me. Three fascinating games after their
Speaker 2: opener against Vanderbilt on the road against Alabama, Florida and
Speaker 2: Mississippi State Florida at home in week three? Is that
Speaker 2: Kellen Moond referendum a good defense not the absolute best
Speaker 2: in the SEC? At home with some time after playing
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt and Alabama to get a sense of what your
Speaker 2: offense is and isn't. That is the referendum on the
Speaker 2: Kellen Moond evolution. Because as a human, he's been crazy impressive.
Speaker 2: Specific moments, specific plays, specific games, he's been impressive. Now
Speaker 2: it's time to just this is. He's in grad school.
Speaker 2: Now it's time to get that masters.
Speaker 1: No, I think that all tracks Dan, Okay, I was
Speaker 1: intrigued by my mind last year. I have been the
Speaker 1: whole time, but I am especially so this year.
Speaker 2: I really am.
Speaker 1: I think grad school is probably a good way to
Speaker 1: put it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's time to secure the masters.
Speaker 1: Let's go to bo Nix bo Nicks. Okay it is.
Speaker 1: Do I have an argument with bow Nicks because I
Speaker 1: sort of made it last year?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Do I have an argument that the final stat line
Speaker 1: for him does not fully tell the story?
Speaker 2: Yeah? In some ways?
Speaker 1: Okay, continue because I feel like at the very beginning
Speaker 1: of the season, so last year, if we turn the page,
Speaker 1: beat Oregon in his first game. It was a game
Speaker 1: Oregon could have won. Yeah, I remember, well beat Oregon
Speaker 1: by what a touchdown? Twenty seven twenty one.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 1: He had moments in that game where he looked wise
Speaker 1: beyond his years. He was a true freshman starting. He's
Speaker 1: a legacy, you know. There was a lot of steam
Speaker 1: on bow Knicks coming in. Numbers weren't great, but had
Speaker 1: some moments in that game where it was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a kid who's a gamer, and I think
Speaker 1: that much is is true the full way through. What
Speaker 1: I would say though, is that those moments sort of
Speaker 1: waned right, Like there were moments against Alabama that were
Speaker 1: really exciting, and there were moments against Georgia that made
Speaker 1: you feel good, but there were like three interceptions against
Speaker 1: Florida that didn't make you feel so high.
Speaker 2: I was a rough watch. That was a rough watch
Speaker 2: of a game, yep.
Speaker 1: And there were the kind of those downer moments along
Speaker 1: the way as well, where it was never fully apparent
Speaker 1: whether these were freshmen type things or whether this was
Speaker 1: a bow Knix type of thing. We will find out
Speaker 1: more this coming weekend. I saw him big Boy Yet's
Speaker 1: Jeff took Kentucky outright he did, because part of what
Speaker 1: bo Nicks has working against him this year is that
Speaker 1: he's got an entirely new offensive line and also an
Speaker 1: entirely new offense coordinator to some extent that he has
Speaker 1: to tran Lern. So I don't know if we get
Speaker 1: the answer to that in twenty twenty, but Bonnicks, to me,
Speaker 1: it's we're at least within the context of this game,
Speaker 1: we are dealing with that question of how much of
Speaker 1: this was just him being a freshman versus how much
Speaker 1: of this is something that we expect to continue now
Speaker 1: into twenty twenty. Well, there are very few true freshmen
Speaker 1: who are ready to play quarterback at a high level
Speaker 1: from day one in a major conference. Let's get out
Speaker 1: of that out of the way. That this is not
Speaker 1: his struggles last year are not fully on him. Like
Speaker 1: you can name the guys who have come in to
Speaker 1: a huge program with a stacked schedule like Auburn had
Speaker 1: last year and we're above average, that's a just a
Speaker 1: near impossibility. So with that out of the way, there
Speaker 1: was a timidity. He was timid going downfield somewhat after
Speaker 1: some lack of success overthrowing dudes. He has a terrific
Speaker 1: arm like. Physically, bon Nix is in a fantastic space.
Speaker 1: The architecture of last year's offense was pretty questionable, in
Speaker 1: terms of play calling, in terms of injuries, in terms
Speaker 1: of shuffling, what kinds of throws he was trusted to
Speaker 1: make week in week out. At his worst, he looked
Speaker 1: like he was in way over his head, and at
Speaker 1: his best he looked like he was way in. He
Speaker 1: was in way over his head. But when it counted,
Speaker 1: he was able to come through. And that happened against Oregon.
Speaker 1: That happened against Alabama after kind of lackluster performances. So
Speaker 1: I guess win your personal clunkers, which bon Nicks did.
Speaker 1: So I'm encouraged by his ceiling. I'm encouraged by some
Speaker 1: of the skill talent, especially at receiver around him, but
Speaker 1: the shuffling that's happening literally in front of him along
Speaker 1: his line. And now with a new offensive coordinator and
Speaker 1: hopefully it's it'll be a more of a quick hit
Speaker 1: offense like what Chad Morris did at Clemson. So that
Speaker 1: gets him into a rhythm and gets the ball out
Speaker 1: of his hand quickly, so he doesn't need to sit
Speaker 1: in a pocket and make longer reads and go downfield
Speaker 1: as the entirety of the Auburn offense. But I am
Speaker 1: hopeful with a new offense that Bnicks is going to
Speaker 1: look more comfortable, not just because he's older, but because
Speaker 1: we have a sense and I'm sure obviously the coaches
Speaker 1: have a sense of what he can and can't do comfortably.
Speaker 1: His twenty nineteen campaign was an omelet cooked in an
Speaker 1: uneven cast iron pan.
Speaker 2: I like this new omelet tie. I like this.
Speaker 1: Some spots the bottom was browned. Other spots it was
Speaker 1: still running, not cook the full way through. Just in speak,
Speaker 1: and he was not in a losing effort quarterback. He
Speaker 1: did not leave it all out on the field. He
Speaker 1: did not play his best and just get out gunned
Speaker 1: by somebody. He was the reason Auburn lost games or
Speaker 1: almost lost games. And so that that is, that is
Speaker 1: something that.
Speaker 2: Needs to flip this year. That he is just a
Speaker 2: bystander in a bad Auburn performance, not the one at
Speaker 2: the front of the parade.
Speaker 1: No more hoobastink, no more reason, thank you, we got
Speaker 1: time for one more Dan. You get to pick Okay,
Speaker 1: so you can choose from the following. You can choose
Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter. You can choose Spencer Sanders, Ryan Halensky, Jack Cone,
Speaker 1: Tyler Shuck who we we just don't know anything about.
Speaker 1: That's that was the one wildcard I put in because
Speaker 1: he's a duck. James Blackman who, I mean, any of
Speaker 1: those guys stand out to you? Blackman does. But I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm already on record.
Speaker 2: I'm tapped out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen enough on James Blackman and Spencer Sanders
Speaker 1: is hurt. He had a freshman campaign that look, I
Speaker 1: think going into the year made it pretty apparent that
Speaker 1: a lot of the season was gonna hinde you what
Speaker 1: he could do. And I haven't seen what the deal
Speaker 1: is with his walking boot.
Speaker 2: But you want to talk about King Cone. I have
Speaker 2: some thoughts on Jack Cone. All right, Well, I think
Speaker 2: he's pretty good. Give me your King Cone thoughts, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's ever going to be the reason
Speaker 2: Wisconsin beats Ohio State. And if Paul christ is okay
Speaker 2: with that, continue along. He had a program changing running
Speaker 2: back behind him and next to him, and that's you know,
Speaker 2: in a program that's had a ton of them. So
Speaker 2: that running back and Jonathan Taylor tailback is gone. The
Speaker 2: offensive line should again be good. There's experience there. Wisconsin's
Speaker 2: never going to try to win downfield a ton and
Speaker 2: Jack Cone completes a lot of his passes, and he
Speaker 2: is seldom the reason they actually lose a game. Usually
Speaker 2: they lose because of flukey reasons, or a team is
Speaker 2: just more talented and just out wills them and outguns
Speaker 2: them for four quarters. That's I mean, that's that's the
Speaker 2: mark of a truly really strong program that Wisconsin clearly is.
Speaker 2: It's a balance, it's a complete program. I am going
Speaker 2: to be curious this year because he has a blue
Speaker 2: chip next great QB at Wisconsin behind him on the
Speaker 2: depth chart in Graham Mertz. That's Mertz, not arts. I
Speaker 2: am curious to see if if they feel like what
Speaker 2: they have outside of Jack Cone is good enough to
Speaker 2: challenge for the conference title. They return. They've got a
Speaker 2: lot upfront on defense, back, the secondary is in really
Speaker 2: nice shape. They lose a couple of big time receivers,
Speaker 2: led by what Quintes Cephis. They lose the biggest name
Speaker 2: in the program and Jonathan Taylor tailback. But if they
Speaker 2: feel like they're coming together nicely, I'm curious to see
Speaker 2: how much run Graham Mertz gets if they believe he
Speaker 2: is that next step quarterback. That to me is fascinating.
Speaker 2: We've seen it happened before. We've seen it happen before
Speaker 2: where we know what with Kelly Bryant, say at Clemson,
Speaker 2: Where's like Trevor Lawrence is getting us above Alabama and
Speaker 2: Kelly Bryan has taken us far, but we have somebody
Speaker 2: special ready to take us to another level. I'm curious
Speaker 2: to see how much action Grammartz gets if they feel
Speaker 2: like that's who he is. No, I think that's fair.
Speaker 1: And I think I sold Jack Cone short last year
Speaker 1: because in the bit that we had seen him in
Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen campaign, I was very underwhelmed.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's first year guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, first year guy. He did improve last season for sure,
Speaker 1: and so that's on me for maybe not giving him
Speaker 1: his due. But I do think there is a glass
Speaker 1: ceiling quality to what he can provide.
Speaker 2: He was awesome against Minnesota last year on the road
Speaker 2: in a decisive victory. No, I mean he has I
Speaker 2: think a little bit of that in him. I don't
Speaker 2: know if we've fully gotten to his full potential, but
Speaker 2: it will be interesting to watch with Graham Burts the Salies. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, he's just it's just that level thing. It's
Speaker 2: a pretty good ceiling. But what does Wisconsin have designs
Speaker 2: of He struggled against Oregon and certainly against Ohio State twice.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think we know who Jack Cone is.
Speaker 2: It's a matter of how much is the rest of
Speaker 2: the team around him. You know, what does the running
Speaker 2: back position look like? With the giant vacuum that JTT
Speaker 2: left behind. That to me is fascinating because there are pieces,
Speaker 2: There are pieces in a short season, weird things happening.
Speaker 2: Maybe this is the year where the Jack Cone Jamie
Speaker 2: Moyer paint in the corners things works. But I don't know,
Speaker 2: still seems like he has a definitive ceiling. I think
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
Speaker 1: And what's interesting I think about that Wisconsin offense is
Speaker 1: it is so fundamental to having a good running game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good offense for a quarterback. You're just
Speaker 2: because of play action, because of the focus on the
Speaker 2: running game, they're going to be open passing lanes.
Speaker 1: That offense is always loaded in terms of the ground attack.
Speaker 1: And we've seen a few instances over the years, and
Speaker 1: I guess the Russell Wilson instance would probably be the
Speaker 1: most telling. But Russ had like thirty three touchdowns in
Speaker 1: that offense, was a Heisman contender obviously, Yeah, different iteration, right,
Speaker 1: and now at a top flight NFL quarterback, right, Like,
Speaker 1: these guys don't grow on trees. But my only what
Speaker 1: is he might be the MVP?
Speaker 2: Right? Is that a thing that I've I've heard so
Speaker 2: far He's had an incredibly ear Okay, but my only
Speaker 2: point is if you put a really good quarterback who
Speaker 2: can throw and can do all the things that Russ
Speaker 2: did in a system like that, you're right.
Speaker 1: It's a great program, great program for a quarterback. Don't
Speaker 1: know if Coen has all of those tools in the arsenal,
Speaker 1: but you can get a little bit better. It makes
Speaker 1: that team really really stout, and.
Speaker 2: It's one that I don't think gets enough credit for
Speaker 2: taking some steps forward to evolve. They're not just lining
Speaker 2: up a full back and a tailback in the eye
Speaker 2: and just slamming in for four or five yards. It
Speaker 2: does feel like that sometimes. If it does, they've gotten
Speaker 2: more creative. They've dallied with they've had alliances with the RPO,
Speaker 2: with the spread, they they have gotten more creative over
Speaker 2: the years, but they have just developed, I mean in
Speaker 2: impressive way, that reputation for power football and developing offensive lineman,
Speaker 2: that smash mouth element. But I do think that they've
Speaker 2: evolved impressively because it's Evolver Die tie and they just
Speaker 2: keep ending up in Big Ten championship games. So they're
Speaker 2: doing something right. And so I'm just curious to see
Speaker 2: if if Paul christ if whoever has the cajones, if
Speaker 2: push comes to shove to say, this guy actually gives
Speaker 2: us the best ceiling chance.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, fun topic right in again, Solid verbal
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Speaker 1: these quarterbacks and others. Maybe that we left off the
Speaker 1: list on our ultraviolet Friday orbit, Dan, we.
Speaker 2: Got to get you to that observatory or the Penn
Speaker 2: State whoever is controlling the satellite telescope stuff. That's the
Speaker 2: field trip we need. I need to know if there's
Speaker 2: a joystick involved. Well, first we got to get to Hawaii,
Speaker 2: we do. First, we got to get to the man
Speaker 2: Laya observatory up there. What was that the kek kek?
Speaker 2: And then we can we can make our move to
Speaker 2: State College and see.
Speaker 1: Don't you feel like you should be into the Keck
Speaker 1: Observatory though, like start smaller at Penn State.
Speaker 2: I guess, but we shouted out Keck first, so I
Speaker 2: think they deserve priority.
Speaker 1: We don't want a Max dug In situation where we
Speaker 1: step up to the big leagues before we're ready.
Speaker 2: That's true. Okay, so we'll get you on that joystick
Speaker 2: at in State College.
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