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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ Bucky

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Speaker 1: back with you as the combine is in the rear

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Speaker 1: you you I know all the work you put into

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Speaker 1: make sure that you get him. You know, either way,

431
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Speaker 1: you believe he's worth the first round pick. If you're

432
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Speaker 1: worth the seventeenth pick, you might you gotta be worth

433
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Speaker 1: the six pick. It's just kind of it's the evaluation

434
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,880
Speaker 1: that is, well, it's the value of the quarterback. So

435
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,240
Speaker 1: I can make that case. I think the Lions are

436
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,919
Speaker 1: the best fit, and who knows. I don't know that

437
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 1: he gets there to them at six. I think at

438
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,119
Speaker 1: the beginning to look like he's not gonna get there

439
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 1: at six. But the other team that makes sense, which

440
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,880
Speaker 1: would be if they struck out on this Aaron Rodgers

441
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,520
Speaker 1: thing is if the Jets just said we're gonna go

442
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,399
Speaker 1: all in and be a bully. We've got a great

443
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 1: defense already. We're gonna get McKay Becked and Elijah Vera

444
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,239
Speaker 1: Tucker back healthy, and we're gonna and we're gonna sit

445
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,360
Speaker 1: out there with Bruese Hall in the backfield, and we're

446
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,400
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna say, guess what, You've got Anthony Richardson

447
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 1: carrying the ball. We've got Bruese Hall carrying the ball.

448
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,400
Speaker 1: And if you want to come up there and try

449
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 1: and slow that down, we're gonna hit you with with

450
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson over the top and Blige you more over

451
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 1: the top. Those receivers wouldn't love it back if you

452
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 1: play like that, But you can make a case that

453
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,919
Speaker 1: could be a formula that could work for them. It

454
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 1: could be a formula. And given a background of well,

455
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 1: Robert Salad, because he did come from San Francisco, he's

456
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 1: certainly still tied in with Kyle Shanahan. This to me

457
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 1: is very similar to the trade Lance conversation. The problem is,

458
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,200
Speaker 1: in terms of trying to be positive, trade Lance hasn't

459
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 1: popped like that. Remember, sample size for trade Lance was small.

460
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 1: It was done on a smaller, lower level of competition.

461
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 1: But to me, it's a conversation that is very, very similar.

462
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 1: So what can you do? Because my question would be

463
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 1: if I'm Robert Salod, I'm saying, hey, Nathan, you hack it.

464
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,959
Speaker 1: Here's what we're doing. You outline the plan for us

465
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,199
Speaker 1: to have success with Anthony Richardson. What does our offense

466
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Speaker 1: look like, how do we take him in, what does

467
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,679
Speaker 1: your one look like? What does your two look like?

468
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 1: As we build upon these things. You talk about Detroit

469
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: being a viable option outside of the Jets, how about

470
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. They are the team that is better

471
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 1: position to do this because they legitimately have a quarterback

472
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: in place where they can say, hey, man, we're gonna

473
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 1: put you away. And because Pete Carroll and those guys

474
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: have been a developmental program. They're okay doing these things

475
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: because look, they've done it with lower round guys, not

476
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Speaker 1: necessarily a quarterback, but they've done it throughout their program

477
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: in terms of developing young players getting them ready. You

478
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: have Geno Smith there who just signed this three year deal.

479
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: I know for sure I got two years of a

480
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Speaker 1: starting quarterback who has played at a Pro Bowl level

481
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Speaker 1: for us. That buys me time to get Anthony Richardson better.

482
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Speaker 1: We can say Anthony Richardson's upside, we'll view it as

483
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Speaker 1: better than Drew Locke. Why not do it? I got

484
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 1: two picks. Why not make the move if that's what

485
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Speaker 1: I want to do and how I want to play. Yeah, No,

486
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: it's a fascinating one. Man. I want to keep it

487
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: going here and we'll jump into some of these other

488
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: positions will move at a better pace. But the CJ.

489
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Speaker 1: Stroud buck is the word graceful. I thought it was

490
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: just a pure throwing session. Some guys are just natural throwers.

491
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: There's some guys look like they've been throwing a football

492
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: and playing quarterback their whole life. Watching him throw the

493
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: football the way it came out of his hand, He's

494
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: got a little whip on the deep ball. He just

495
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: spun it really well. I thought everything he did with

496
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: his feet was quiet and calm. It was just smooth.

497
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: I used this word graceful. I just thought it was

498
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: a graceful performance and one of the better throwing sessions

499
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Speaker 1: that I've seen. You know, DJ, he was terrific. And

500
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Speaker 1: you know, I've long believed in terms of the most

501
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: natural thrower. He is supernatural in terms of all of

502
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 1: those things. And I know we're at a point where

503
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: sometimes we we now we kind of Craven brothersh like

504
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is spoied us, right, He spoied us because

505
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: all of the spectacular throws that he makes out of

506
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 1: the structure of the opment. So now everyone tends to

507
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 1: want like that guy that can do all those things.

508
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 1: But when you really think about the position, I the

509
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: guy that can move the team down the field. We've

510
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: always said, like he has to be able to deal

511
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: from the pocket. C J. Stroud deals from the pocket.

512
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: He has prototypical size, dimensions, arm, talent, all those things.

513
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: We can talk about. Does he have enough poise under pressure,

514
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: because the biggest thing has been when the pocket breaks down,

515
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: like how does he handle those things? Well, we need

516
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: to continue to see that, and we won't see that

517
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: until he plays again. But if that is the case,

518
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: then I'm a vest heavily into your offensive line. Don't

519
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: want pressure up the middle, yep. I want him protect

520
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: it and then I'm gonna let him do it because

521
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: he has shown when you let him play seven on

522
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 1: seven football, he's one of the best that we've seen

523
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Speaker 1: doing and so I want to make sure that he

524
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Speaker 1: is given that opportunity because the way that he spends it,

525
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: watching him throw it, compared to some of the other guys,

526
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 1: it's different. Ye a lot different. It was it was

527
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: and every ball had the right trajectory, every ball had

528
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: the right pace. It's just a thrower. He's a talented,

529
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,959
Speaker 1: talented thrower. And you know he's different than the other

530
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: Ohio State guys. He's totally different. So put that, put

531
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: that stuff aside, like he's his own guys, totally different.

532
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: Will Levis buck the velocities there, he's still working against

533
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: himself throwing left as the same stuff that we've talked

534
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: about before that that hasn't cleaned itself up. Yeah, I

535
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: think if anything has happened out of this workout, if

536
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: I think one Will Levison Anthony Richardson, their cars have

537
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 1: to be tied together. So we always talked about cluster busters.

538
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: But if I'm gonna put those two guys together, I'm

539
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: always gonna gamble for Anthony Richardson over Will Levis, which

540
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make. That's the switch I'm making, like coming

541
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: out of this that's I'm making that switch. Bigger, stronger, faster,

542
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: younger in charms of experience. Will Levis is a five

543
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: year player, Like he's a fifth year player who has

544
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: significant has starts and all that. If I'm a bank

545
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: on upside, well I'm gonna go with the guy who

546
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: haven't seen enough, who has more physical ability and trade limitless.

547
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 1: And so for me, yeah, I'm flip that, you know,

548
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: like he to me, I'm gonna take Richardson over Levis,

549
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,239
Speaker 1: And so I think there would be a little bit

550
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: of a reshuffle because they probably were greated closer together anyway, Man,

551
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: the athleticism kind of tips the things and Anthony Richardson

552
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: spathe no doubt. All right, let's go to the running

553
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: back position. Just kind of go through these positions. Bijan,

554
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: as advertised, ran in the mid four fours. You know,

555
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: one of the cool things that the combines you get

556
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: to see scouting buddies and um, you know, you're always

557
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: looking for comparisons. And one of them had said, Callie,

558
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: he looks just like Edge when Edge was coming out

559
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 1: of Miami, and I was like, once I heard that,

560
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of who he was and

561
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: who reminded me of, and I thought, man, that is

562
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: a great that's it, man, he looks catch can do

563
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: all those things. I think Edge was number five too.

564
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: We always end up doing the number comp right, It's

565
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: somehow that triggers in your mind and evaluation. I think

566
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Speaker 1: Edgin James was number five at the EU back in

567
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: the day as well. Man, that's a great that's a

568
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: great comparison. And you know the thing about Edgeran, he

569
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: might have been underappreciated because remember that was the Ricky

570
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: Williams draft. Ricky Williams is supposed to be the guy

571
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: that goes they flip it. Take Edrin James and you

572
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: know Edri and James hall of Fame player, But those

573
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: early years Edri and James in that offense with Peyton Manning,

574
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: the way that that offense looked and the way that

575
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: he dominated those first two years. I think he led

576
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: the league in Russian. Yeah, I could see b Jon

577
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: Robinson doing that. And I know we're at the time

578
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: where running backs are devalued in terms of how they're viewed,

579
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: but the special one should always get the special treatment,

580
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: and so it will be interesting to see him. So

581
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: you are tired with the charges. Can you imagine him

582
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: playing behind Justin Herbert? Can you imagine how that changes

583
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: the equation when it comes to, hey, how are we

584
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: going to defend the LA Chargers Now, big physical running

585
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: back behind a superstar quarterback with the weapons abound. Look,

586
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: pick your poison. So to me, that's where it goes.

587
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: And so it's not about them not being important. I

588
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: understand the value, but they're still huge and importance. And

589
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: he is a star, like he's a star running back,

590
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: and it's hard to find those and so that's the distinction.

591
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: There's a difference between a start running back and a

592
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: good running back. He is a star. Yeah, it would

593
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: be fascinating there and you look at and see man

594
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 1: Austin Ekeler has twenty touchdowns and does all these different things.

595
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: I think you still use Austin Ekeler. I think you

596
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: might even take some off him and put him some

597
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: in the slot. Let him be in the backfield, like

598
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: and b Gen Robinson can give you stuff in the

599
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: slot and do all that stuff as well, but he

600
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: just gives you. He gives you more power, you know.

601
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: So yeah, more power, more size, and there's something to

602
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: it late in the year. I know people hate talking

603
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: about this, but you know what it is. When you

604
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: get the post season, you got to grind it out.

605
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: Like there's a physical element that your team has to

606
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: have to be able to advance for in the tournament.

607
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: And so just being able to give that look people

608
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: talk about excuse me, what about the Chiefs, Well, what

609
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: about how hard a Saia Pacheco ran and just a

610
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,479
Speaker 1: physical element that he gave them when they needed it.

611
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: Don't need it all the time, but you have to

612
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: have some of that on your team. Yep. Jamir Gibbs

613
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: from Bama ran under the four force. He was awesome.

614
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: Zach charbonnet Buck. I felt like personally I was higher

615
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: on him than Budd. He's in the league, and I

616
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: thought coming out of the combine, I felt like I

617
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: felt like I won some people over. I felt like

618
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: I got some people to jump on the Charbonnet Express

619
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: with me with how he worked out. He catched the ball.

620
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: He can do everything, and he runs with power, and

621
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: he's one of these guys that when you're looking at backs.

622
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: He came in at two fourteen, he played every bit

623
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: at two twenty. I think he cut to run. He's

624
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: gonna be over a two hundred and twenty pound back.

625
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: To me, he's fine. He's perfect, Like he's perfect as

626
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: he's big back. You know, we talked about it. You

627
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: actually coined it. Where hey, man, is this guy a

628
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: playmaker in the passing game? Where is he a checkdown option?

629
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: To me, he's a little more than a checkdown option.

630
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: He can be an effective screen game runner. You see

631
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: that on tape and you see it like they guy

632
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: catches the ball. He can catch the football. That's not

633
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: a thing. Yeah, Am I trying to throw it to

634
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: him seventy times and put him in rouse like no,

635
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: But He's effective enough that we don't have to take

636
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: him off the field to do some of the things

637
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: that we want to do in the passing game. He's

638
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: a really good player. And to me, size matters when

639
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: we think about some of these teams, they're not many bangers,

640
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: those big backs that can thump. He has that ability

641
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: and it also helps that he can catch it. Yeah.

642
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: I always point out those numbers at this thing, which

643
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: is great, which I have our buddy Jack ANDREI pull

644
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: forming And when you look at the top ten leaders

645
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: in terms of scrimmage yards, take scrimmage yards with running backs,

646
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: that just those rushing yards, the average was like two

647
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: eighteen two hundred nineteen pounds. So in order to be

648
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: able to touch it told it that many times size helps,

649
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: So I don't want to spend too much more time

650
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: on the running backs. A Chain we knew he was

651
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: going to roll low four three from a m Yeah.

652
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: Taija Spears, we knew would have an excellent field workout.

653
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: He did. He was excellent. Um, you know, on and

654
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: on and on down through the list of guys. Roshan

655
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,959
Speaker 1: Johnson from Texas had a good workout. He'll end up

656
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: being a starter. It's a it's a deep, stacked, loaded

657
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: group of running backs and I thought they'd delivered. I

658
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: want to get to um wideouts though, because I wanted to.

659
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: I want to see if we land on the same

660
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: place here, because I feel like and this is there's

661
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: there's positions that are hard for for certain teams, are

662
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: certain individuals, and there's other positions that you finally get

663
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: a read on. I think we cracked the coat on

664
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: this on our pod and just in our discussions maybe

665
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: what do you think four or five years ago and

666
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: we came to this conclusion. I think it was a

667
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. I think it was a Cooper Cup year. Yeah,

668
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: talk about crass. We rout running. Yes, those are the

669
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 1: guys that pop. Yeah, absolutely so if we if we

670
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: look at it this way, and I'm gonna end up

671
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: moving my order round because I wanted to see these

672
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: guys move around in person. And now I'll get a

673
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: chance to do with deeper dives and all that kind

674
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: of jazz. But I know he couldn't do that. He

675
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: didn't stay in the workout very long. Jordan Addison was

676
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: fast enough for me. He ran four or four nine.

677
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: I've seen him run every route he ran. I think

678
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: it was one in cut or whatever. He ran and

679
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: went up and got it, just so you can see

680
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: one route like he can run routes. I'm good with him.

681
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jig was my second guy. He had

682
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: a phenomenal field workout. Everything's about quickness and polish, excellent

683
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: route runner. So here's where it gets. Here's where I'm

684
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: gonna show you the shakeup for me and then I'll

685
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: get your take on it. I had Hiatt from Tennessee,

686
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: Quinton Johnson from TCU, and then Zay Flower from BC.

687
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: And when you watch those guys out there together, Zay

688
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: Flowers has he does he just he's a christ route runner.

689
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: And when you look at it, even like him with

690
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: Jalen Hyatt, Zay Flowers one hundred and eighty two pounds high,

691
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: it's one hundred and seventy six. Jordan Hadison's one hundred

692
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: and seventy three. So we had talked two years ago.

693
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: I believe about the other ingredient of play strength like

694
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: these white outs. Ideally you want to have craftsman pure

695
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: route runners, and you want to have guys that have

696
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: some play strength to him as well. And Zay Flowers

697
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: he might not be six to one buck, but he

698
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: has everything else he absolutely does so um yeah, so

699
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: look we're we're really really close in terms of that.

700
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: So going into the event, I was always a Jackson

701
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigmafan just because like going off of that,

702
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: like I thought, man, his route run ability spectacular. He

703
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: put that on display doing his field workout. Zay Flowers

704
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: to me, because I had the opportunity to watch him

705
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: up close at the East West Ryan game, I had

706
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: a real good sense of whatever. He really reminds me

707
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: of Antonio Brown in terms of his ability just to

708
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: but it's putting the ground, creates separation. He plays with

709
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of an attitude. He can break down

710
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: because and all that. So I love him. Jordan Addison,

711
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: I absolutely can see it. I was disappointed with him

712
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,719
Speaker 1: at USC, but when you go back and watch him

713
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: when he played with Kenny Pickett Man, he gets down

714
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: because that offense was built around his playmaking ability. I

715
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: think those guys whatever order whatever, like, they go to

716
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: the top and then what happens Now you break him

717
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: out in separate categories. So now you got Qwinn Johnson

718
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: and Jay Hight, who I believe play the vertical stretch role.

719
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: They're the guys that, for lack of a better just

720
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: to give you the scription to me, they're the tig

721
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: Agains of the class. Meaning Ted again played a long

722
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: time in the league. But when you look at Tiggins Rowtree,

723
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: if this was like the little heat map that we

724
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: have stat it's all posts go over, we're on the move.

725
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: Those guys play in the world and I'm fine with that.

726
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: But the other guys that we talk about in terms

727
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: of just pure route running, Pittapac, create separation, get open.

728
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,959
Speaker 1: Those guys do it. And the guy that some people

729
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: will kind of throw into not necessarily that conversation, but

730
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: kind of he'll be bandied about. I think Josh Downs

731
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: from North Carolina talked about it. He's still small for

732
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: my taste, like some of these guys, but he's a

733
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,479
Speaker 1: really good route runner. He's dynamic, he catches the ball. Well,

734
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: there's a role for him, but you gotta have the

735
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: other pieces of the basketball team on the perimeter in place.

736
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: But he can gotta you know, get open and get

737
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: things done. But yeah, I think the workouts and this

738
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: is the value of the combine. The combine allows you

739
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: to see those guys back to back to back to

740
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: back working out, whereas if you go to a pro day,

741
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: you have to remember and have recall of what a

742
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: guy looked like. The advantage of being able to see

743
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: all those guys work in succession allows you to make

744
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: I think, solid assessments when you compare and contrast their talents. Yeah.

745
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: So I think the way we kind of broken that

746
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: down as if you're just gonna look at the complete

747
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: whole receiver to be able to do everything that you

748
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: want to do as craftsman, as guys that have reliable hands,

749
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: guys you can trust. I think we feel safe. I

750
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: think Smith and Jigba, I think Flowers, I think Addison.

751
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: That's a three. However you want to however you want

752
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: to break those three down, that's the clump. Those three

753
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: guys need to travel together and figure those three guys out.

754
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: And you have the vertical guys who you just talked about.

755
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: I think there's tiers of vertical guys. I think there's

756
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: a bunch more that we haven't mentioned in Tyler Scott

757
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: who can really fly, and there's more as you go

758
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: down through the list. Michigan State had a good workout.

759
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: Jalen Jaden Reid had a really good workout as somebody

760
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: that can stretch the field. But there's two guys that

761
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: I identified if you want to take them out of

762
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: these first kind of groups and say, man, okay, third round.

763
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:46,959
Speaker 1: If we just want to let's just say third round.

764
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: My two third round guys that I thought watching them

765
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: work out, I liked them on tape and then I

766
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: thought they ran well and then the field workout like

767
00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: they've passed all three tests. Marvin Mims from from Oklahoma. Yeah, look,

768
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 1: good man, he looked good running running routes out there,

769
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: and he is. Let me give you his he is

770
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty three pounds, so he's just under

771
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: five eleven hundred and eighty three pounds. He ran four

772
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: three eight. But the speed plays you can see it

773
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: on tape. You see him make place and the other

774
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: one chart right him, right next to each other on

775
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: my sequence list is Charlie Jones from Purdue. He ran

776
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: he ran four for three. Fuck his route running stuff

777
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: and he plays inside outside. Remember he was at Iowa.

778
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: There often stinks. So he transfers to Purdue and has

779
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, huge numbers, And I'm like, man, may if

780
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 1: this guy had been at Purdue like through his whole career,

781
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: and we just saw a thousand yards season after thousand

782
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: yards season, and then he goes out there runs four

783
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: for three and has that workout. We'd be like, this

784
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: guy's a second round pick. Man, look those two guys.

785
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: It's funny that you brought those two guys up, like

786
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: we've been working together too long. Marvin Mims was the

787
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: one because when you see him run the time, then

788
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: you go back and you're like, man, I saw the

789
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: quickness and stuff, but I didn't know he was gonna

790
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 1: be that explosive in terms of like straight line blazing

791
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: the or whatever. You see the hands, you see his

792
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: ability to catch the ball, to make plays and all

793
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: that stuff. So he certainly do with it. But Charlie

794
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: Jones from Purdue, coming from Iowa didn't get opportunities. But

795
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: then he played in the offense. Now that was a

796
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: past heavy offense. You got a chance to see him

797
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: with more touches, do more things. His versatility inside outside

798
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: that stuff plays and DJ you see it with the Chargers.

799
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: I see it each week with the Jaguars. Your ability

800
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: to put together a perimeter of playmakers that can move

801
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: around inside, outside, change the picture for the defense while

802
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: remaining the same for the quarterback man. That is invaluable.

803
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: And so I am really looking for those those versatile

804
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: players that not only have like the skill set, but

805
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: they have the IQ the aptitude to be able to

806
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: handle that information and bounce around. Those guys go to

807
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: the front of the to the front of the room

808
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: because they're gonna help your team in so many different ways.

809
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: So I love looking through our research and it just

810
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: pulls it just a number. As we're talking. There's no

811
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: perfect comps, but if you just look at the numbers

812
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: side by side, Marvin Mims is Emmanuel Sanders like height, weight, speed, jumps,

813
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: everything like literally almost identical buck like clones of one another.

814
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man Sanders as we get to work

815
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: with them now. It was a darn good player in

816
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: this league for a long time, played for a long time,

817
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: played for a long time. I had a lot of production. Yeah,

818
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: so that was an interesting one that kind of pops so,

819
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: you know. And the other one was Steve Smith and

820
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers or clones, you know, our Steve Smith and

821
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers the same exact side. I might end up

822
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: using that comp So it's fun to see what kind

823
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: of the number shakeout and what pops um. I think

824
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: we should I'm making an executive decision here. I think

825
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 1: we should just finish up the offense on this one,

826
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: and let's say the defense. Let's say the defense for

827
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: the next pod. When we look at the tight end position,

828
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: I thought it was the deepest coming in. We've talked

829
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: about it a ton to me, Buck, and when we

830
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: go through all it, we can go through the top dudes.

831
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna say who helped themselves the most,

832
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: I thought it was Iowa. I thought Laporta. I think

833
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: he ran pulled. I think he ran four five nine.

834
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: Let me pull it up here. Laporta ran, Yeah, he

835
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: was six h three two two forty five. He ran

836
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: four five nine, had an outstanding field workout. And uh

837
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: again I talked about Charlie Jones being stuck in that

838
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: cruddy Iowa offense. Laporta made plays and that was an

839
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: offense it was not easy to make plays in. And

840
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: you said, what if he was what if Porter was

841
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: playing in Oklahoma or one of these you know, good offenses,

842
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: we'd be talking a lot more about him. We will

843
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: be talking a lot about him, and then we also

844
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: thinking about the pedigree of Iowa players and how they

845
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: perform in the National Football League. Uh, you know he's

846
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: been developed. You know, he has more than he displayed

847
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: during his collegiate years. He's a nice player. I liked

848
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: him a lot. He was already ranked my six tight end,

849
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: so he was already on the fringes there he was.

850
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: He was five. That he was five for me, I

851
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: think I got out. Yeah, he's a love player. Yeah,

852
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: he's he's a really solid player. You know. The thing

853
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: is DJ We've talked about it. The tide ends. Now, man,

854
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: this tight end class here like so solid, so many

855
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: good players. You know. The funny thing is people to

856
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: talk about Darnell Washington and his workout and what he

857
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: was able to do, and people are like, impress him

858
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: in terms of catching. I was like, yeah, that's great,

859
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: but you know what I want him to do. I

860
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: want him to do exactly what he did to the

861
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: blocking slid. We're saying, hey, Darnell, we can give you

862
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: a cute little number, but you're the sixth officeive linemen.

863
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna block and do those things. And the fact

864
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: that he can catch it is great, but you're taking

865
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: him to enhance what you do in the run game.

866
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: He is just a specimen. Look, he's terrific. I mean

867
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: he's a big time player. Yeah, he's gonna be. He

868
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: is a weapon when you can put him out there

869
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: and he changes the math with what he does in

870
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: the run game. And then he makes the best one

871
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: handed catch of any of anybody at the combine. His

872
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: shuttle is either the hands of the gloves is either

873
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: the hands of the gloves. I don't know if the

874
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: gloves whatever that is, but may that's a big man.

875
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: He was gosh, what was his weight here? Darnell Washington

876
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: was two hundred and sixty four pounds just under sixty seven.

877
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: Ran four six four. We didn't get to see my

878
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: top guy, King kaid he's coming through the back injury.

879
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: Michael Mayer ran. Actually it's not a great time, but

880
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: it's better than I thought he would run. He ran

881
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: four seven flat, kind of more one stun. He's a

882
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: good he's just a good all around player. He's a

883
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: good all around player. And what he has in his favor,

884
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: he's a true white tight end. He doesn't get lumped

885
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: into flex. He's a white tight end attached to the

886
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: talk he's gonna block, He's gonna do those things. Very

887
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: productive in the running game. I know people have compared

888
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: him to Jason Wittner throughout the old comparison Mark Bavarro

889
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: Chard was a big, physical tight end, like just kind

890
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: of get it done. But yeah, he's an old school

891
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: white tight end like the guys that we've seen played

892
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: a position for years and years on end. Yeah, good

893
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: group all the way around the tight ends. I would

894
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: say another one who really helped himself, like Brent and

895
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: Strange from Penn State's gonna be a good player. He

896
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: ran that same time for seven zero. I had a

897
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: good all around workout. He's a good blocker as well.

898
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: So again, a lot of complete tight ends. So we

899
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: love the tight end group. If we go to the

900
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: offensive line, which is kind of last here, as we

901
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: get ready to wrap this thing up, buck anything jump

902
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: out to you. I mean Paris Johnson did not run,

903
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: but I thought he had a good field workout. He's

904
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 1: got thirty six and the eighth inch arms. Roderick Jones

905
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: ran sub five at four nine seven. He was bigger

906
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: than we thought at over six foot five, three hundred

907
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: eleven pounds. You know, there was some some interesting guys

908
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: who stood out to you. No, I think overall, like

909
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: the big thing with the class is just the level

910
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: of athleticism that we now see at an offensive line.

911
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: Even though I had a conversation with John Fox and

912
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: he talked to me, he said, Look, the biggest mismatch

913
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: on the football field in today's game is old line

914
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: versus D line. You're expecting old lineman to block these

915
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: D linemen that run four four four or five coming

916
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: off the edge, and so it just requires a different

917
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 1: skill set. But look, man, I think the class is good.

918
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: I think some of these guys we'll talk about like

919
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: the Jalen Duncans of the world and some of this

920
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: like what you're trying to find in this thing? Darniroll right? White? Yeah,

921
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: he looked good, like like White, Like, do these guys

922
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: have enough balance and body control to be able to

923
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: kind of handle themselves in one on one situations on

924
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: the edges? And the reality is like maybe not. But

925
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: can they take what they have and find a way

926
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: to win with it? Can they learn how to quick sit?

927
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: Can they do they have enough length to make it

928
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: right when they're facing some of these guys, and so

929
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: that's to do. Yeah, I'll tell you right now. I

930
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,959
Speaker 1: think Darnell right, it's gonna be a top fifteen pick.

931
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: Like he's that, he's massive. He had clean tape against

932
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: elite competition in the SEC this year. He went to

933
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,479
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and was excellent. At the Senior Bowl.

934
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: He went to the combine and ran darn near five

935
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: flat five h one at three hundred and thirty three

936
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: pounds and it had an excellent field workout. There's no

937
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: more boxes for the guy to check. I mean, he's

938
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: six five three, three hundred and thirty three pounds, and

939
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: it's like, he's my twenty third player. I'm gonna move

940
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: him up. He's he's gonna he's he's gonna be a

941
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: plug and play starter at right tackle and he's ready

942
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: to go. He's pasted every test, like it's like, what

943
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: more do you? At some point in time you're like, Okay,

944
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: what more we want? This guy? It new here nothing.

945
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: You just have to go with it. And I think

946
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: it's one of those things. And I think because of

947
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: the nature of the position us, the pool is shallow.

948
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: So those guys that we talked about they're gonna go

949
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: sooner because you can't wait. I mean, they can go

950
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: as sooner than expect him. And so you're looking for

951
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: the trades. You're looking at with guys that are able

952
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: to check off some of those boxes, and then you

953
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: have to work around the deficiencies. That's why the offensive

954
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: line is one where you're evaluating individuals, but it's really

955
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: how they play as a collective. You know, you have

956
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: five guys playing, and so how do they play off

957
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: of one another. It's really important. Yep, to the point

958
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: where if somehow Darnell Wright ended up being the first

959
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: offensive tackle pick, that would not be shocked. I just

960
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked. He's big, he's athletic, he has tape

961
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: out there that shows him take these other guys against

962
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: good guys. Yeah. Yeah, there's the other guys that I

963
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: have in front of him right now. Scronski's three hundred

964
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: and thirteen pounds. You know it doesn't have much length.

965
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: You've got Paris Johnson three hundred thirteen pounds, plays a

966
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: little bit upright. Roderick Jones is three hundred and eleven pounds,

967
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: um is you know he is a good player of

968
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: this guy's three hundred and thirty three pounds and ran

969
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: five oh one. Like yeah, yeah, so's time. It's like

970
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 1: we've always had it, We've always had it in this order,

971
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: But at some point in time you take a step

972
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: back and say, Okay, if I'm just entering into this process,

973
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with a clean slate and assume the

974
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: background is all the same. And I watched these guys,

975
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, why isn't Why isn't he the top guy,

976
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: the guy from Tennessee, the big guy, the big guy

977
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: all Oberla that it knocks people around. Yeah, so true. Yeah, anyways,

978
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: you look at the interior. A couple other guys real

979
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: quick before we get to the the interior. Matthew Burge Round

980
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: had a good workout from Syracuse. Is a good player.

981
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: Anton Harrison is a tougher evaluation for me, but had

982
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: an outstanding workout from Oklahoma. He's gonna go. Um. So

983
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: those are some interesting tackles. The interior offensive lineman John

984
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: Michael Schmitz. I'll be honest, I hope he was going

985
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: to move around a little bit better. Um coming off

986
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: a great Senior Bowl. Just okay, ran five three five

987
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: Osiris Torrence five three one. He's the comp on him,

988
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: Buck when you put it in the numbers with Ia Patti.

989
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: Remember him coming out of Idaho back in the day, Yeah,

990
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: I do remember. I do remember him coming from Idaho.

991
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: Good player though. Yeah, then you got Joe Tipman. We

992
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: did not see him out there. Steve a Vila was

993
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: solid from TCU, Cody Milk was great. It's a good

994
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: group of interior offensive linemen. So good group overall. I

995
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: think the offense was solid, Buck, And then we'll we'll

996
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: take a we'll take a we'll take a break, put

997
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: a pin in this one for right now, and I

998
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: say we come back next time and do the defense. Look, man,

999
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: it should be fun looking forward to with this should

1000
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun to defense. Had a lot

1001
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: of guys that showed out. Give us a little more

1002
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: time to dig into it, study him and get him right.

1003
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: But uh should be a good one. Yeah, I hope

1004
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: you guys have enjoyed this one today. Again, offense in

1005
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: the books, we will circle back. We will break down

1006
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: the defense from the combine and what we saw. We

1007
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: didn't want a short change it there with a rushed evaluation,

1008
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: so we will get to that next time. That episode

1009
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: be coming your way here on Thursday, so we'll be

1010
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: on the lookout for that. Appreciate you guys, hang with

1011
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: us and we'll see you next time. Right here, pun

1012
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 1: move the sticks.