1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: Friday edition. We are here to guide you into the 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:16,159 Speaker 1: weekend and hope you have a fantastic time. We are 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: in Houston, KTRH, our affiliate station down here. We got 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: a big event tonight, Texas Barbecue, beer and bourbon is 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: going to be a lot of fun. Michael Barry, Jesse, 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: Kelly buck Sexton, and myself hope to meet hostedly. Over 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: a thousand of you will be there for that event. 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: Should be a lot of fun. We had a good 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: time last night here in Houston, Buck And while we 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: were having a good time, craziness in the political arena. 13 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham went on Sean Hannity Show last night, and 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: I know many of you will be listening to Sean 15 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: Hannity's radio show right out of this show many different 16 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: affiliate stations all over the country. But on Fox News 17 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: last night, Lindsey Graham went on and said somebody in 18 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: Russia should step up and take out Vladimir Putin. Let's 19 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: listen to that, and then he's also called for it 20 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: again this morning, so we'll listen to both of those. 21 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: He's doubling down on his hope that someone is going 22 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: to assassinate Vladimir Putin. I want to see what the 23 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: CIA man himself, Buck Sexton's reaction to this is. I 24 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: think there's so many interesting dynamics at play in this discussion. 25 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: But let's start first Fox News last night with Sean Hannity. 26 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: What's happened is that Putin looks at Biden, he sized 27 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: him up. He thinks he can get away with it, 28 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: and he's going to keep going and going and going, 29 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: and nobody in the West is going to stop him. 30 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: How does this end? Somebody in Russia has to step 31 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: up to the plate. Is there Brutus in Russia? Is 32 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: there a more successful colonel Stoppenberg in the Russian military? 33 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: The only way this ends, my friend, is for somebody 34 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: in Russia to take this guy out. You would be 35 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: doing your country a great service and the world a 36 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: great service. All right, That's Sean Hannity. He doubled down 37 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: on it again this morning earlier, asking for people in 38 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: Russia to assassinate Vladimir Putin. Let's listen to that as well. 39 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: The best way for this the end is have an 40 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: elliot ness a wide earth in Russia, the Russian Spring 41 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: soja speak, where people rise up and take him down, 42 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: because if he continues to be their leader, then he's 43 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: going to make you complicit w war crimes. You're a 44 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: good people, You'll never have a future, you'll be isolated 45 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: from the world, and you'll live in abject poverty. So 46 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: I'm hoping somebody in Russia will understand that he's destroying 47 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: Russia and you need to take this guy out by 48 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: any means possible. Buck. We have bombed countries historically that 49 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: have talked about trying to assassinate our leaders. I rack 50 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: back in the day. I remember for sure, this is 51 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: pretty wild. It's one thing to talk about it behind 52 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: closed doors. It's another thing, basically to encourage it as 53 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: a high ranking official like Ndsey Graham is for a 54 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: senator to say this and argue it last night and 55 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: today when you heard this, your first thought, as a 56 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: former ci CIA guy, was what that Lindsay Graham is 57 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: being reckless here? Yeah, that this is not helpful in 58 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: this moment. No one who has access to Vladimir Putin 59 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: in Russia at that kind of levels thinking, oh well, 60 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: if Lindsay Graham thinks this would be a good idea. 61 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: I don't know who. Actually, I do know who he's 62 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: speaking to. It's people who have been caught up in 63 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: the emotion of the moment watching him, watching Lindsay Graham 64 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: on TV, and he gets to sound hawkish and tough 65 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: on this issue at a time when being calculating and 66 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: being risk averse are virtues. Right now, we all want 67 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: to just sit around and talk about the great victory 68 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: of the Ukrainians repelling the Russian invader. I feel that 69 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: sentiment too. I don't want us getting dragged into a war. 70 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: I don't want us getting in the middle of yet 71 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: another conflict, especially one in which Ukraine is not a 72 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: country that the US has a direct national security interest 73 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: in preserving as a democracy and as the sovereign integrity 74 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: of Ukraine is not something that is top of our list. 75 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: I mean, there have been several executive orders signed just 76 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: on the legal side of this, and it is an 77 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: interesting legal question, because are you trying to assassinate If 78 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: you bomb Saddam Hussein's palace and you think he's there, 79 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: how is is that an assassination attempt or not a 80 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: military strike? There have been several executive orders EO one 81 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: two three, three three signed by Reagan. There is an 82 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: executive order signed by Ford, usually specifically singling out the 83 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: intelligence community because they have concerns about this. And you 84 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: go back to the era of JFK and Castro and 85 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: the reports and stories about desire to assassinate Fidel Castro, 86 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: which as we all know, did not those were not successful, 87 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: and so you sit here you wonder what exactly does 88 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: what the people that would push for this. You know, 89 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: there's a specifics of Lindsay Graham calling forward, and then 90 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: there's what the outcome of it would be. So we've 91 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: addressed a little bit of what is this? What is 92 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: this guy doing? Is the sitting US senator and you 93 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: know what, let's have him come on the show. Actually, 94 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham should come on the show and explain why 95 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: he thinks this would be a good idea, because you 96 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: know what, the first question I'd ask him is, Okay, 97 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: who takes over? Who do you think Senator Graham is 98 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: all of a sudden in charge that so pro Ukrainian, 99 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: pro Western pro nado within the hierarchy, Russia is effectively 100 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: a mafia state run by former KGB now turned into 101 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: oligarchs who know each other, who work together and are 102 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: part of a top town authoritarianism. With Vladimir Putin at 103 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: the very height of it, there's not a bunch of 104 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: people around him that have access in the security apparatus 105 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: of Russia, who are great democratic reformers, that would end 106 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: this conflict. As far as we know, we're not aware 107 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: of this. He jails dissent. He jails right now. Alexei Navalni, 108 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: the most prominent Russian dissident, is in prison. You know, 109 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: fraud charge. I'm trumped up fraud chargement to send him 110 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: away for fifteen years. Who's to say that the person 111 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: who takes over after Putin would even be better? I 112 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: mean putting aside for a moment the legality and ethics 113 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: involved in a political assassination of a head of state, 114 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: that where on the one hand, Clay the administration, the 115 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: Bid administration is calling for diplomacy, and on the other 116 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: hand you have people calling for no fly zones in 117 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: this case Lindsay Graham and assassination. This is why it 118 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: matters that we look at this very clearly and precisely 119 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: and don't get caught up in the emotions of the moment. 120 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: I wonder so many additional thoughts that come to me 121 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: when I hear those comments. First of all, I wonder, 122 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: and I'm curious what you think about this. Is Lindsey 123 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: Graham freelancing or has someone in the American intelligence community 124 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: gotten to him and said, Hey, we need to be 125 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: making these arguments publicly? Will you do it? Or do 126 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: you think this is Lindsay Graham basically deciding on his own, Hey, 127 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: this is what I believe. Where do you think the 128 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: impetus for this comment? Because initially, when I watched this 129 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: on Hannity last night, I thought to myself, Okay, maybe 130 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: he got ahead of himself. Sometimes you go on television, 131 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: sometimes you go on radio and you say things and 132 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: they don't come out the way that you intended them, 133 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: and maybe you got fired up. But when he goes 134 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: back on the next morning, as we just played this morning, 135 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: and doubles down on it, it's a clear intent. I 136 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: think he went on Sean Hannity's show with the idea 137 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: that he wants to make this argument. So where's the 138 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: impetus for you? Do you think to yourself, where is 139 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham getting this idea because I do I wonder 140 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: why is he doing it and who put him up 141 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: to it, or is he totally freelancing. I think there 142 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: are people who would say that Lindsey Graham in recent 143 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: memory has never seen a war. He didn't want someone 144 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: else to fight. I think that is a criticism of 145 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: him that has often leveled from even conservatives, that he 146 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: is his position is default hawkishness. He's one of these 147 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: individuals who I think hasn't learned very well the lessons 148 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: of the last twenty years. He was a stay as 149 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: long as stay forever Afghanistan guy. He was a more 150 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: troops and you know, an Iraq guy. He's been somebody 151 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: who has taken that position over and over again. And 152 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I would just wonder, and we should we shouldn't. 153 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: He's invited on, he'll do other shows. He should do 154 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: our show at some point. And of course he's a 155 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: Republican senator. I think he loves his country and as 156 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: a patriot. And you know, we're not I'm not being 157 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: disrespectful of Lindsay Graham by analyzing what he says, but 158 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: I do think this is an important moment for us 159 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: to be very honest about the implications of something like that, 160 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: and how would someone feel, How would it look like 161 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: China has people in concentration camps and has had for decades, 162 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: had a one child policy, is engaged in massive human 163 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: rights abuses, and is a totalitarianism. What would the reaction 164 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: be if an American politician went on TV and and 165 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: call for any Chinese politician or Chinese leader to be 166 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: people I think would have a revulsion from that. I 167 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: think that there's been a demonization. And this is not 168 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: to say that Putin is not even demonic, but there's 169 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 1: been a demonization of him in the public mind such 170 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: that now people are already equating every everything is Hitler. 171 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: Is is a problem we face in this country. Vladimir 172 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 1: Putin is not Adolf Hitler, Okay, Vladimir Putin is somebody 173 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: who president stretching back now for over twenty years, I've 174 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: been sitting down with engaging with, working with on certain issues, 175 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: working against on other issues. And to think about this 176 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: in such simplistic and I would say dangerous terms, in 177 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: this moment, when this conflict is really just getting going, 178 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: we are opening phase is something everyone has to really 179 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: be on guard against. I think, but I think this 180 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: comes from Graham. I don't think the intel community, Clay 181 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: is basically a bunch of lawyers sitting around. I mean, 182 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: the intel community is not. If you've watched James Bonds, 183 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: I wish no one ever gave me a tuxedo. I 184 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: had a lot of memos to write, a lot of 185 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: lattaste to drink. Here's the other couple of things. I 186 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: think one you mentioned what if we said it about China. 187 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: Imagine if a top Chinese official or a top Russian 188 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: official said, hey, we need to have Joe Biden assassinated. 189 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: This would be a monstrous story. Plus, by the way, 190 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: Russia has proven that they're willing to attack people out 191 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: side of their country, the KGB, the Russian intelligence agencies, 192 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: however you want to classify these actions. My immediate thought is, 193 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: has Lindsey Graham put an incredible target on his back? 194 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: And can you imagine the acceleration that we could create 195 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: if Russia decided, hey, we're going to send a message 196 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: to Lindsey Graham by trying to do something to him, 197 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: and and all of this is to me the danger 198 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: zone of representing acceleration, right, we would I think, and 199 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,239 Speaker 1: I think you probably agree. If we found a reliable 200 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: assassination plot against Joe Biden that was being put together 201 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: by North Korea, by Russia, by China, by somebody who 202 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: is in Iran enemy of the United States, we would 203 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: take action in some way against them for that plot. 204 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: How much different is it to have a top official 205 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: encouraging other people whole inside of a country to kill 206 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: the president. That is a major accelerant to me. And 207 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like it's something that's going to make 208 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: things better at all. Well, it's incitement to assassination, which 209 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: I think would be a step before conspiracy to assassinate, 210 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: which is what we've actually seen that in the past, 211 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, it's been so many years now. 212 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: One of the causes Belli of the Iraq War was 213 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: the belief at one point that they were going I 214 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: think that they were going to try to kill our president. 215 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: They were they were trying to kill George H. W. 216 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: Hw Bush and then W bombed them as a as 217 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: a to take action against them for that plot. Right, 218 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: So you know, look, this is this is where you're 219 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: getting into. There's there's a lot of gray here. As 220 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: I said, with what's a military target versus an assassination target. 221 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: M that's going to be something that we also see 222 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: playing out in Ukraine right now with oh yeah, the 223 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: Russians right now, the Russians could bomb a building with 224 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: Zelenski inside of it, would they? I'm sure the answer 225 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: is yes. How different is that really? But this is 226 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: a moment where we have to remind ourselves what do 227 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: we really what are we trying to achieve? You know? 228 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: I think this is where you take a step back 229 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: and say, because the people that are calling for a 230 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: no flies on the people that are I think they 231 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: can't learn the lessons. I think that they I don't 232 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: know why they're incapable of understanding what we've seen in 233 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: the past. But a no FLA we have never tried 234 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: a no fly zone against a combatant like Russia. That's 235 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: a total that's a totally new thing. A no fly 236 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: zone over Iraq. We weren't worried about the Iraqi Air force. 237 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: We would be worried about the Russian air force as 238 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: well as Russian nuclear capabilities a whole other level here. 239 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: So this is where we have to step back and 240 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: remind ourselves what do we want? Dare I say America first, 241 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: what do we want for our country in this turbulent time? 242 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: And that's how I think every problem should start from that. 243 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: You know, what does America want in this? And that 244 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: might sound it is at some level harsh, and there 245 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: is something about it that that doesn't sit right with 246 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,119 Speaker 1: people because because we're seeing violence and thousands of civilians 247 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: being killed in Ukraine. But it gets harder, and I 248 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: knew this from the very beginning, it gets harder to 249 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: maintain your principles on foreign policy as a cruel and 250 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: cold world continues to play out in front of you. 251 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: So we have to we have to sort of steal 252 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: ourselves for this and get ready for it, because well, 253 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: we'll come back late. I mean, the former CI director 254 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: and there are a couple of former CI directors who 255 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: are unimpressive. If there are a few who are idiots, 256 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: this one, it's just true. I knew some of them. 257 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: This one is particularly dumb. We'll come back and see 258 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: what he thinks maybe happening here in a second. Then 259 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: we've we've got some mask battle stuff playing out now. 260 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: Ron desk you know, it's like Ron des Santis is 261 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: sometimes the third guy sitting here with it. It is 262 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: amazing how often he makes the same arguments that we do. 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The truth is something that mister Putin terribly fears, 292 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: and which is why he's going to try to choke 293 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: off any type of flow of information about what actually 294 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: is happening in Ukraine. But in this day of social media, 295 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: in this day of text messages and emails and other 296 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: types of things, I am certain that more and more 297 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: of the accurate information is going to get into Russia. 298 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: Putin and his henchmen that around him, I think they 299 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: believe that the only option they have is to continue 300 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: with this ferocious intensity and trying to devastate Ukraine. This 301 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: is only going to lead to I think Putin's unraveling. 302 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: They do believe that Putin's days are numbered, maybe in 303 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: the double digits. I do believe that former CI director 304 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: John Brennan is a loon and nobody should listen to 305 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: him about anything having to do with well anything. Welcome 306 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: back to Clay and Buck show. Brennan, you'll recall, was 307 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: the guy who actually said that what Trump did with 308 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: Russia collusion was can't amount to treason. That was his phrase. 309 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: So a sitting president was essentially a traitor to his 310 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: country according to this guy who was very close to Obama, 311 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: was his White House counter Terrorism czar and then became 312 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: CIA director. And the CIA, I will tell you as 313 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: an alumni of that institution, it just keeps losing. It 314 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: just keeps losing ground, incredibility in the public's eyes every year. 315 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: I think because of people at the top. It's not 316 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: there are a lot of good men and women who 317 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: work there, no question, but people at the top, the 318 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: people who are involved the policy side of it, they 319 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: are very politicized. It's unfortunately a left of center institution, 320 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: just like all of the federal bureaucracy is. And Clay 321 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: with Brennan saying to get into this point here about 322 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: Putin's days or numbered. Putin fears the truth. The Assad 323 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: regime had a vicious civil war going on. There were 324 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: accusations of usage of chemical weapons, you know, air strikes, 325 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: the Russians were they run, you know, still run Syria, 326 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: the Assad regime. Remember this notion that if there's enough 327 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: Facebook videos and enough tweets and text messages, dictators will fall. 328 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: Dictators tend to be good when they've been in power 329 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: for decades at one thing. That's staying in power a 330 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: whole lot longer, no doubt. And he's saying double digit days. 331 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: Basically that would mean that he's gonna be gone in 332 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: the next three months. Yeah, I means, yeah, it's a 333 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: big range, but it is a really big prediction, and 334 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: it feels to me a bit. And that's why I 335 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: was talking about with Lindsey Graham where we started the show, 336 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: that many people are trying to speak this into existence, 337 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: right like they desperately want for Vladimir Putin to be gone, 338 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: and so they are reading all the tea leaves and 339 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: trying to project that he is going to be gone. 340 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: And I'm just skeptical that what you think the best 341 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: outcome is going to be is going to occur. And 342 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: to your point, we don't know who replaces him. 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Buck. 369 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: One of the big discussion points around Ukraine has been 370 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: that we are effectively fueling both sides of the conflict. 371 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: We're giving hundreds of millions of dollars in support and 372 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: material to Ukraine while we are simultaneously buying six hundred 373 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: thousand barrels of oil from Russia every day, giving them 374 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: tens of millions of dollars every single day as the 375 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: price of oil continues to go up. And so there 376 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: has been a discussion surrounding why in the world would 377 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: we continue to give any money at all to Russia 378 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: while we're engaged in these sanctions that we're trying to 379 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: economically provide a great deal of hardship, a lot of money, 380 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: by the way, tens of millions of dollars every day, 381 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: And so Joe Mansion addressed this. And by the way, 382 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: Joe Mansion has been one of the most reasonable people 383 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party, maybe by far the most reasonable person. 384 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: Do you notice at the State of the Union he 385 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: actually set with the Republicans, which I thought was somewhat intriguing. 386 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: We'll see what he decides to do in twenty twenty four, 387 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: in a couple of years, whether he runs for the 388 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: Senate again, whether he potentially becomes an independent, whether he 389 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: starts to caucus with the Republicans. Who knows, But he says, 390 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: we talked about this the other day. Sometimes you have 391 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: to have difficult discussions. And the question is, okay, if 392 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: you're not going to take Russian oil, how much more 393 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: are you willing to pay for gas in order to 394 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: support Ukraine? He says he'd gladly pay more. But as 395 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: he talking about paying enough more, let's listen to cut 396 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: fifteen here. You need a horse power to run a country. 397 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: You need a horse power to be the superpower of 398 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: the world and be able to have your allies depend 399 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: on you. And we haven't been there for that. We've 400 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: thraveled back and never traveled back up. That's all I'm saying, 401 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: And I'll just say this from my own I would 402 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,239 Speaker 1: gladly if if ever is a pole being taken they said, Joe, 403 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: would you pay ten cents more gallon to support the 404 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,719 Speaker 1: people off Ukraine and stop basically the support of Russia. 405 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: I would glad to pay ten cents more a gallon? 406 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: Would you pay a dollar more a gallon? I mean 407 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: that's the real question, right, fifty cents more. How many 408 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: people out there would be willing to do that, I 409 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: think is a fascinating question. And there would also be 410 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: other economic implications of it. People would see the energy 411 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: energy costs would go up, which means all costs go 412 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: up every we have to Our economy is a fossil 413 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 1: fuel economy still, despite the Green New Deal and AOC 414 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: and Biden picking up all that nonsense and running with it, 415 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: it's still a fossil fuel economy. So when it becomes 416 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: more expensive, everything becomes pricier. And yeah, your point, Okay, 417 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: ten cents a gallon more, people might say, yeah, fine, 418 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: a dollar a gallon more. Let's say let's say that 419 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: we were told that you would have a doubling of 420 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, the unemployment rate and twenty or thirty, twenty 421 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: or thirty percent increase in cost of living over the 422 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: next year or two if this were to happen, doubling 423 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: unemployee Maybe that's too extreme, But I'm just saying real 424 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: cost and consequence economically, do the American people want that? 425 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,719 Speaker 1: Is that something that we would advocate in favor of. 426 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: Clearly the Bide administration things no, because they're not willing 427 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: to do this yet. I mean, if this is you've 428 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: got cluster bombs being dropped in Ukraine, You've got reporting 429 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: about multiple assassination attempts against Zelenski, the president of Ukraine. 430 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: They're tightening the noose around city after city in Ukraine. 431 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: They're going after the capital of Kiev. So we're not 432 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: doing these things? When are we? When would we do them? 433 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: And so to speak from the Biden administration point of view, 434 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: I think everyone realizes there are costs we're willing to 435 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: bear the cost that we're not And I think it's 436 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: such an intriguing question to contemplate. If we're talking about 437 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: there there are forecasts now buck of the price of oil, 438 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: a barrel of oil go into one hundred and seventy 439 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: five or one hundred and eighty dollars, And to put 440 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: that into context right now, and I don't have the 441 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: price of oil directly open in front of me, but 442 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: it was around one hundred and ten hundred and fifteen 443 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: dollars this week. It's continued to go up. One hundred 444 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: and eighty would be an all time high. Effectively, I 445 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: believe two thousand and eight is the highest the price 446 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: of oil has ever been. And obviously you got to 447 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: adjust for inflation and all those things, but I believe 448 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: we are rapidly trending towards an all time high in 449 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: the price of oil. What is interesting about this is 450 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: right now we're already at seven and a half percent 451 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:43,959 Speaker 1: interest inflation, so we're probably headed for double digit inflation 452 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: as you really analyze just based on the price of energy, 453 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: and the Biden administration is terrified of inflation being the 454 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: overriding number one impact. Buck you can study data on 455 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: voting patterns. The number one thing that motivates people is 456 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: the price of gas because they see it, they feel 457 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: it in a way. I just talked about it earlier 458 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: this week. I cost me one hundred dollars to fill 459 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: up my car, and I didn't even get it all 460 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: the way filled up. There are a lot of people 461 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: like me out there in disbelief when you get to 462 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: that hundred dollars level to fill up your tanker gas 463 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: and you feel that in a way that you might 464 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: not candidly feel a big mac costing a little more, 465 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: or a gallon of milk costing a little bit more. 466 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: And I think we have to be prepared for the 467 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: narratives to get about why this is a good thing 468 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: in the sense of it's the price we pay to 469 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: stick up for Ukraine. I think if you'd be prepared 470 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: for people to start saying, and I'm gonna I'm talking 471 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: about those making the decisions, like the Biden administration and 472 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: the top Pentagon officials who work for him in the 473 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense. And here, for example, is the kind 474 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: of argument you're going to be hearing going forward. More. 475 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: It's Secretary of State Tony Blincoln this more and here 476 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: he is saying, well, play clipped twelve. This is an aggression, 477 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: a challenge, a threat that is relevant to the entire 478 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: world because what's at risk first and foremost are literally 479 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: the lives of Ukrainian men, women and children. But beyond that, 480 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: the very fundamental principles that we've established together after two 481 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: world wars that are so important to keeping peace and 482 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: security for everyone, principles that President Putin is egregiously violating 483 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: every single day. And if we allow those principles to 484 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: be challenged as Putin is doing now with impunity, that 485 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: will open a Pandora's box of trouble for not just us, 486 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: but quite frankly for the entire world. The whole world, 487 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: play a Pandora's box for the whole world. He's saying, 488 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: you're hold on a second, what are these principles exactly? 489 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: I mean, everyone opposes innocence being killed, and everyone opposes 490 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: aggressive war on moral grounds. That has been something that occurs, 491 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: and we have actually been involved in wars as we know, 492 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: over the last twenty years multiple times. So what does 493 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: this mean? Why? You know? He says we have to 494 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: stand up for a principle to what extent. He also 495 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: says that we're not that this is effectively going without 496 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: punishment on Putin's part. Now, we're doing economic things, We're 497 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: doing the things that the diplomatic set always claims will 498 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: be effective as a means of preventing conflict. It just 499 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: feels like there's a there's a whole there's a whole 500 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: set of the national security apparatus in this country and 501 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: in the westmore generally, that says diplomacy, diplomacy. Oh, actually 502 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: things are getting rough. Let's send in the troops and 503 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: that's what we're trying to avoid here. That feels like 504 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: where we're headed is even when you hear the arguments 505 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: about no fly zones. When frankly we started off the 506 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: show talking about Lindsay Graham asking for someone to assassinate 507 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin, it feels the longer this goes on that 508 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: the accelerant continues to grow, and we should mention by 509 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: the way, Russia is certainly not without flaw when it 510 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: comes to assassination plans. The Times of London in England 511 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: is reporting that Vladimir Zalinsky has already survived three different 512 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: discreet assassination attempts by Russia. And you pointed out earlier, 513 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: Buck that if Russia had actionable intelligence that Zelinsky was 514 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: in a certain building at a certain point time, I 515 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: don't think there's any doubt that they would love to 516 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: be able to wipe him out. He has become the personification, 517 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: the symbol of the resistance in Ukraine, and we don't know. 518 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: If he's not there, does the martyrdom live on or 519 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: if he's gone, does that just destroy in many respects 520 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: the resistance itself. Class spend time in two war zones 521 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: as a as A as a civilian analyst for the agency. 522 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: You got kids, If your kids were of age, if 523 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: one of your sons said I'm nineteen, I want to go, 524 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: I want to go fight in Ukraine for these principles, 525 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: what would you say to them? Percent No, yep. Now 526 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: he gets to make his own choice. That's the challenge 527 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: of being a parent. But if you're one billion percent no, 528 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: you're not going. And the challenge I think for so 529 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: many parents out there is eighteen year olds are technically 530 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: majority age. When you know that one of your kids 531 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: is making an awful choice, you can argue against it. 532 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: And by the way, it doesn't have to be war. 533 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: It can be they're dating the wrong person, or they're 534 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: deciding to major in the wrong thing, or they're not 535 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: going to college, or you think they're taking the wrong job. 536 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,239 Speaker 1: But I would one billion percent fight as hard as 537 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: I could the idea that he's going to somehow go 538 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: to Ukraine and fight, And I think the vast majority 539 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: of people listening to us right now would say the 540 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: same thing that they think that's lunacy. Now there's tens 541 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: of thousands of people that are evidently pouring into Ukraine 542 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: right now to take up arms and help fight for Ukraine, 543 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: which seems wild to me, but it just points to 544 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: to me what an incredible power keg we are dealing 545 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: with over there. You saw what happened with the potential 546 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: dangers of the nuclear plant that got that looked like 547 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: it might blow up for a while. I mean, there's 548 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: people who are doing forecast right now saying a billion 549 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: people could die if we end up in a nuclear 550 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: war scenario. Here, just to Tony Blanket and Biden, Secretary 551 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: of State about about all the principles, here's a principle. 552 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: If I had a son who said I wanted to 553 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: go fight either as a volunteer as part of this 554 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: Ukrainian militia or I'm gonna go I'm gonna go join 555 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: up because I want to get deployed with eighty second 556 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,959 Speaker 1: their born, or I want to go with the Marines 557 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: and fight in Ukraine. I would say, I don't think 558 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: you should do that. I don't want you to do that. 559 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: This is not our fight. So if that's how I 560 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: feel or would feel about a son, and you, who 561 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: do have three sons, feel, I don't want someone else's 562 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: son who fights for this country, who serves in uniform 563 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: for this country, to get deployed to a war that 564 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: I wouldn't send my own family member to, and either, 565 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: would you exactly rightful? I think that's exactly right. Twenty 566 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,719 Speaker 1: years ago, on nine eleven, this nation experienced our worst 567 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: ever attack on American soil. We witness the loss of 568 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: two thousand, nine hundred and seventy seven people. 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Plus, we've 587 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: got the Texas Barbecue, Beer and Bourbon blowout here in Houston. 588 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: Thanks to KTRH for hosting us, Michael Barry and Jesse 589 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: Kelly for pulling all this together. A bunch of Houstonian's 590 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: going to be celebrating life freedom in America with us tonight. 591 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: We're looking forward to that. To be sure, we also 592 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: want to get some calls eight hundred two eight two 593 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: two eight eight two on those phone lines. We have 594 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: Mike in Loda, California. Hello, Mike, Hi, how you guys? Doing. 595 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: We're good. I just called. I wanted to point out 596 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: that Putin is not the problem here. The Biden administration 597 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: is the problem. You know, Putin is a is a 598 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: rabbit dog that was contained in his yard with forty 599 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: dollars forty dollars a barrel oil and cheap natural gas. 600 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: And Biden has been energy policies have you know, knocked 601 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: the fence down on that yard and let him loose, 602 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: and all he has to do is gleut the world 603 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: supply of oil and natural gas with Americans produced oil, 604 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: and the price would drop and he would lose his funding. 605 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: You don't even have to stop Germany from buying rush 606 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: and energy. You just have to make it so cheap 607 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: that Putin can't supply the energy at a cost effective 608 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: manner to keep his war going. He's always going to 609 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: be a rabid dog and it's dis pointless to try 610 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: and stop him with sanctions and whatnot. That's not going 611 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: to touch him. I think one of the big challenges 612 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: is that OPEC is not willing to increase their production, 613 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: and that really leaves us buck if we're going to 614 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: find additional oil with not great options, because we can 615 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: buy from Venezuela or we can buy from Iran, and 616 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: so we don't want to be encouraging the behavior in 617 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: either one of those countries. Into the caller's points, certainly 618 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: not allowing the United States to maximize its overall production 619 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: of oil. But if the price of oil falls substantially, 620 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: then the American oil companies are disincentivized to pump as 621 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: much of it out of the ground as well, because 622 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: then they start to lose money. So this is a 623 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: really complicated situation, and the reality is we don't have 624 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: great options. If I guess if we could choose one 625 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: country to buy more from, it would be Saudi Arabia 626 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: right now, They're they're obviously not a tremendous voice for 627 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,239 Speaker 1: democracy or freedom. Deed, yes, not not exactly. But if 628 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: you're comparing Iran, Venezuela or Russia, and the other option 629 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: is Saudi Arabia, to me, that's the country that you 630 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: would hope, based on past relationships with America, would be 631 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: willing to pump more. But they're not. LPEC Plus just 632 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: announced earlier this week that effectively they're only going to 633 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: increase a small amount, which is why the over all 634 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: price of oil continues to surge. We have Wendy up 635 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: next in Indianapolis, Indiana. Hey Wendy, Hi guys. You know 636 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: I've heard you're talking about Lindsey Graham here and you know, 637 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: asking for somebody to kill Putin. But I don't know 638 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,720 Speaker 1: if you guys had heard about this Russian businessman who's 639 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: put a million dollar bounty out on Putin's head for 640 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: an arrest of him, which probably a Russian or Ukrainian businessman. Well, 641 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: I thought it was Ukrainian and I started looking it 642 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: up actually because I told your cal screen are Ukrainian 643 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: and it is Russian. He actually has asylum here in 644 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: the US. And he just said, you know what, he 645 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: wants to facilitate the denazification of Russia. Those are his words. Anyway, 646 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: he was actually asked if he feared any kind of 647 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: you know, reprisal from two. Well, I think it is 648 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: still very much illegal for a private citizen to put 649 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: out a bounty on anyone, so there is that the 650 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 1: state has a monopoly on force. I think I think 651 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: it's very unlikely that that would technically be be lead 652 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: Clay have I lawyer, CLAYM I missing something? Well, I 653 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: just I'm looking at it and saying a million dollars 654 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like that much to be able to arrest 655 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin. I mean you're talking about I mean a 656 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: billion dollars maybe, So we're putting out the bounty is 657 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 1: for arrest, not for not for a I think she said, 658 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: I think said yeah, I think she said arrest. But 659 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: even still, Yeah, that million dollars for arrest. I mean, 660 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: Hiden's worth billions and billions. It has a massive military 661 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: and security apparatus. Sorry, I thought you said bounty for 662 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: like the you know, this is a dead or alive situation. 663 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: But if it's taking him alive for a million dollars, 664 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: that's just grand that's grand standing. That's not gonna get 665 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: a hell of a bye. Yeah. I mean they used 666 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: to put out bounties the Rewards for Justice program. I 667 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: think the FBI had. I mean there were for some 668 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,240 Speaker 1: of the top al Qaeda guys, you know, ten million dollars. 669 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: Didn't we have like a ten million dollars bounty, Sam 670 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: if you were able to help get us. I think 671 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,439 Speaker 1: some of them got into the fifteen to twenty million 672 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: dollars range something like that. So I mean that that's 673 00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: a lot of money now, but that's for taking out 674 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: a terrorist or the capture of a terrorist, not a 675 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: head of state with a massive security apparatus around him. 676 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: We got, let's see, I wanted to get more of 677 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: a Clay. We're actually a time you know what I 678 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: do want to talk about. We got two things to 679 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: dive into that aren't Ukraine related to the next hour. 680 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: One is what is the proper way to deal with 681 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: people who are still wearing masks, including outside, or still 682 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: saying that children should be masked. We are fighting the 683 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: mask hysteria, and so is Governor Ron de Santas a Florida, 684 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: among others. Talk about it. And then Clay, do you 685 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: know that the view put somebody on air who thinks 686 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: the Constitution is quote garbage garbage? Clay? Was it Joe Biden? 687 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: We'll have some fun also. We're scheduled to be joined 688 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: by Michael Barry, who many of you listened to in Houston. 689 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: He also guest hosted for us during the Christmas holiday. 690 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: He's going to swing by B and Studio here for 691 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 1: a bit to talk about the big event we've got 692 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: going on down in Houston. Two more fun hours rolling 693 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: for you this day Flaet, Travis and Buck Sexton on 694 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: the front lines of truth.