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Speaker 1: Something popped in my head the other day. PFF had

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Speaker 2: I would bet on bow Knicks because Sean Payton clearly

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Speaker 2: the thing with Pete Carroll and the Raiders, like Jim

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Speaker 2: in his life obviously. You know, Andy's the most human

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Speaker 1: I mean, they took a huge swing on Sean McVay

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Speaker 1: Listen, they were seven and a half DraftKings. They are

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Speaker 2: Why couldn't they win twelve games? I mean, they're over

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Speaker 2: and the biggest moments to get it done, and he has.

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Speaker 2: The top four is just set. If you want to

429
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Speaker 2: argue Burrow second, Josh Allen second, I don't care. But

430
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Speaker 2: like Mahomes is won, then you can argue the ranking

431
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Speaker 2: of the next three. I think what makes Stafford unique

432
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Speaker 2: if all the teams were equal, like everyone have the

433
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Speaker 2: same team in a one game situation, in a month situation,

434
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Speaker 2: he could do anyone and go to toe to toe

435
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Speaker 2: with anybody where Jared Goff, if I told you your

436
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Speaker 2: offensive line had a lot of question marks, you would

437
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Speaker 2: like a Jalen Hurts even Baker more than golf. Yeah,

438
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Speaker 2: I mean he can't move. He's on the team with

439
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Speaker 2: the best offensive line in the league, so it's you know,

440
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Speaker 2: he benefits from that. And that's where I think, you know,

441
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Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels, I would have had c J. Strouds like

442
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Speaker 2: the fifth or sixth best quarterback last year, and if

443
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Speaker 2: you an honorable mention in that thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I thought I may have CJ. Stroud ten

445
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Speaker 1: and Baker eleven ish that felt about right. I like Kyler.

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Speaker 2: I still like.

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, so I'm in the minority here. I think

448
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Speaker 1: he's elusive, and I think he throws a great ball, But.

449
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Speaker 2: I think CJ's story kind of speaks to Jayden Daniels.

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Speaker 2: I would say Jaden as a rookie, it's not apples dapples,

451
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Speaker 2: but was better than CJ. Just the eye test, you know, numbers. Yes,

452
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Speaker 2: you we could argue, but just Jaden is about as

453
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Speaker 2: good as it gets. But they did get to kind

454
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Speaker 2: of fly under the radar most of the season until

455
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Speaker 2: the playoffs. It's you know what makes Brady Peyton, Tiger Woods,

456
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Speaker 2: Aaron Judge, whoever great players is every single year, every

457
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Speaker 2: single game Aaron Donald for decade, everyone circled him all

458
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Speaker 2: week long, and he's still dominated Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor.

459
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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, Patrick mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen

460
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Speaker 2: have been keeping defensive coordinators up at night for a

461
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Speaker 2: long time and they still kick ass. Same with Joe

462
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Speaker 2: Burrow last year. Right, you know, Jayden Daniels, this is good.

463
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Speaker 2: Everyone's gonna take them seriously. So why I got a

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Speaker 2: lot of respect for Dan Campbell in the Lions, Like

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Speaker 2: early on, it's like, okay, you got to the last

466
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Speaker 2: couple of years, like everyone has been approaching them like

467
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Speaker 2: one of the best teams in the league, and they've

468
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Speaker 2: answered the bell. Same with Jared you know, we'll see

469
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Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels like no one is sleeping on you this year.

470
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Speaker 2: That's from the shittiest team to when you're playing the

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Speaker 2: pack with the Vikings. That's hard. You know.

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Speaker 1: Well, even Baseball figured it out with analytics, is that

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Speaker 1: they don't want to starter facing a batter for the

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Speaker 1: third time, right, So you go through the order twice

475
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Speaker 1: and then by the time you're gonna face So what

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Speaker 1: they're telling you even started pictures even aces they want

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Speaker 1: to they want you out of there. But the third

478
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Speaker 1: time because a guy after a third Groove on you

479
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Speaker 1: gets a vibe because a lot of pictures get better.

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Speaker 1: You know Verlander and Waynwright in their prime. I thought

481
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Speaker 1: Nolan Ryan was better. Fifth Inning on. Can you imagine

482
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Speaker 1: pulling Nolan out with a one hitter in the sixth?

483
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Speaker 1: You do a Robin Ventura on you. But the reality

484
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Speaker 1: is there is truth to what you're saying. Is it

485
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Speaker 1: is very hard in the middle of the marathon, when

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Speaker 1: you're on the treadmill to break down Jadeen Daniels over

487
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Speaker 1: the course of two days on a couch in an

488
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Speaker 1: office sleeping and say this is this is the solution.

489
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Speaker 1: This is the kryptonite. When you give guys an off

490
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Speaker 1: seats and these defensive coordinators they find play. They go

491
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Speaker 1: through all the analytics and find out he doesn't see

492
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Speaker 1: to his right as well as his left. He's more accurate.

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Speaker 1: So I do think he was miraculous. But I'll also

494
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Speaker 1: make this argument, if I told you you combine Lamar

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Speaker 1: Jackson and Joe Burrow, that's what I thought Jaden Daniels was.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was. I mean, Burrow to me is

497
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Speaker 1: even better than Mahomes. If you told me two minute

498
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Speaker 1: drill a minute fifty left, no timeouts left and protection

499
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Speaker 1: is okay. I think Burrow's as good as anybody I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen in the last ten years. Now, Mahomes gets

501
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Speaker 1: all the credit because you give.

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Speaker 2: Him Chase and Higgins. Mahomes numbers look a lot different, right.

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Speaker 1: You're right, you're right, that's that's fair. But I think

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Speaker 1: Burrow's ability on third down, third and seven, sitting upon little, tiny,

505
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Speaker 1: weird windows, You're like, what in the hell? And I

506
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Speaker 1: thought Jaden had that mixed with about eighty five percent

507
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Speaker 1: to eighty percent of Lamar Jackson. So I think I

508
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Speaker 1: thought Andrew Luck was the best rookie quarterback I've ever

509
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Speaker 1: seen with bad teammates, I thought Jayden' surpassed him. He

510
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Speaker 1: didn't make the mistakes of Luck. So my take is,

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Speaker 1: even if he pulls back fifteen percent John, if you

512
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Speaker 1: start looking at his third and fourth down numbers last year,

513
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Speaker 1: fourth quarter numbers, they are Brady in his prime.

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Speaker 2: I've been a lot of people, especially the Lamar defenders,

515
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Speaker 2: if you just look at the number, you're like, how

516
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Speaker 2: the hell do you have him forth? But if you

517
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Speaker 2: read the quotes, the executives and the coaches are very

518
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Speaker 2: complimentary of Lamar and I agree his passing, the progress

519
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Speaker 2: he's made from when he first won that MVP to

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Speaker 2: the version he's been these last couple of years in

521
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Speaker 2: the rate, he's an elite player now and he's a

522
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Speaker 2: fantastic passer, at least in the regular season. And he

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Speaker 2: wasn't that second half of that Bill's game. It just

524
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Speaker 2: Mark Andrews had a couple drops. Jayden is already that immediately,

525
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Speaker 2: like he's a dominant passer immediately. Now, if you tell

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Speaker 2: me he this year he throws thirty eight touchdowns and

527
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Speaker 2: ten picks, like he's just on the crash course to

528
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Speaker 2: be one of the great players of all time. I mean,

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Speaker 2: if he just answered, because I thought that about CJ

530
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Speaker 2: last year's I got he just games easy to him,

531
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Speaker 2: and it gets hard. You know, offensive line wasn't quite

532
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Speaker 2: as good the offensive coordinator. That's the thing with Cliff seems

533
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Speaker 2: like a great guy, and I know everyone in the

534
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Speaker 2: league loves him, but I've seen his offense over the

535
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Speaker 2: course of time get figured out a little bit. Now

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Speaker 2: I like Jayden more than I do Kyler, and it

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Speaker 2: feels like, you know, that version of Kyler that he

538
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Speaker 2: dealt with the maturity was a major question mark, not

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Speaker 2: a question mark with Jayden, but I do think it's

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Speaker 2: difficult when everyone's gunning for you like you're an all

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Speaker 2: pro immediately, you know. And it's just that's not how

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Speaker 2: they were treated last year on a weekly basis, and

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Speaker 2: they are gonna get the treatment. I think when you

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Speaker 2: played the Washington Commanders this year, you're not approaching the

545
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Speaker 2: game that much different than when you're playing the Eagles,

546
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Speaker 2: like this is a twelve thirteen win team they plan

547
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Speaker 2: on they can win Super Bowl, like fucking we are

548
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Speaker 2: all in all. You know. Belichick used to go on

549
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Speaker 2: these long like diatribes when he played like a one

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Speaker 2: and eleven Miami team. It's like Bill, remember Julian got

551
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Speaker 2: mad at me for the Sky. It's like Julian not

552
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Speaker 2: Most people can't take these awful teams seriously, but Bill could.

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Speaker 2: But everyone can. And this is what Bill and Saban

554
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: was great at this too, is that they really can

555
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Speaker 2: kind of convince you. You don't need to convince when

556
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Speaker 2: you're playing the ten and one Baltimore Ravens or when

557
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: you're playing the peak Alabama team in your Georgia, right,

558
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 2: it's the team you don't need a new Rockney speech,

559
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: You're not gonna need that when you're playing Washington and

560
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Speaker 2: for the last decade, if you're a seventh year player

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Speaker 2: on the Cowboys or the Eagles, like you got a

562
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Speaker 2: cruise through the Washington game, that's no longer the case. Now.

563
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Speaker 2: It's same thing with the Lions. And that's where I

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Speaker 2: think Dan Campbell deserves a lot of credit with the

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Speaker 2: way he's kinda you know, he's a Harboll brother. I

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Speaker 2: consider him the third Harbboll brother, the way his intensity

567
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Speaker 2: is in his focus. And I know you were hard

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Speaker 2: on him, but I do think he's proven to be

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Speaker 2: pretty deep good. Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I was wrong on Dan Campbell. I thought

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Speaker 1: I thought he was a bit of a meathead. And

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Speaker 1: my take was and I was just like, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he's smart enough. The league's getting really smart,

574
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Speaker 1: really clever offensively, and he's a little bit of a raw,

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Speaker 1: raw guy. But you know what, it's so authentic. He

576
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Speaker 1: is so passionate and it's so authentic, and I think

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Speaker 1: that the players can feel that authenticity and they buy

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Speaker 1: into him. And I also think he has a great

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Speaker 1: front office, and I mean it's just there that's a

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Speaker 1: front office that doesn't go for flash. I mean, prime example,

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, they get, you know, an

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Speaker 1: inside linebacker, a running back that they're getting the best

583
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Speaker 1: players available. This year they went heavy on interior offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's got a Rams feel to it. And

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Speaker 1: that's where he came from. Brad Holmes came from Los Angeles.

586
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Speaker 1: That they just draft really good players. I mean this year,

587
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: you're like, do the Rams need another outside linebacker? They

588
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: get a Michigan kid and they're like, he's great on tape,

589
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Speaker 1: He's passionate, he plays hard. The Rams have, you know,

590
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Speaker 1: no head cases Detroit similarly, like good guys like all

591
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Speaker 1: the Lions guys like Amaran Saint Brown and Aiden Hutchinson

592
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Speaker 1: and Jared Goff and Penay Sewell, no a holes, like

593
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Speaker 1: all really really good guys. So there are people in

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Speaker 1: this league and I think Dan Campbell has benefited from

595
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Speaker 1: that a really good GM. But he deserves credit. You know,

596
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Speaker 1: I think in the NFL you ask so much of

597
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Speaker 1: players physically. This is why Mike Tomlin his strength, Pete

598
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Speaker 1: Carroll strength, but Tomlin, Vrabel and Dan Campbell have a physicality.

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Speaker 1: They look like they could play right today is that

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Speaker 1: you ask so much of. I mean, if you have

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Speaker 1: a bad thumb, you take a series off. In baseball,

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Speaker 1: it's understood. If you have a bad calf, you take

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Speaker 1: a road trip off in the NBA. It's understood. In

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Speaker 1: the NFL. You play hurt and the coach is going

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Speaker 1: to ask you to play hurt. And so when you

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Speaker 1: ask athletes or men, I don't care if you're a

607
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Speaker 1: fire chief or a police chief, you're putting people in

608
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Speaker 1: harm's way. There is a certain personality, an alpha personality

609
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Speaker 1: that works. You know, you can't ask the fire chief,

610
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Speaker 1: can't ask all those guys to run into buildings. They

611
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: got to believe. Those firemen have to believe that guy

612
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Speaker 1: deeply cares about them as human beings beyond just co workers.

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Speaker 1: And I think Dan Campbell sells that. I think it's authentic.

614
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Speaker 1: I think he loves his players. I think they feel it.

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Speaker 1: I think mcveigh's got that quality too, and I think

616
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Speaker 1: all the hardballs too. They love their players.

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Speaker 2: And listen, I'm not selling Washington because I think Dan

618
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Speaker 2: Quinn has characteristics of that as well. Yeah, and a

619
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Speaker 2: tough guy. He's defensive lineman in college, defensive coordinators, tough guy.

620
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Speaker 2: But he's like a lovable, tough guy and that's very important,

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Speaker 2: and I think he is. They're pretty lucky because I

622
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: think it's going to be intense for them, But they

623
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Speaker 2: have a coach who's been through the ringer, right, He's

624
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Speaker 2: a guy that's been fired. He's he had to reinvent

625
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: his career obviously. I mean what he did last year

626
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: spoke for itself. You know. Dable is a good example

627
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: of like a couple of years ago, I'm like, this

628
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Speaker 2: is the best coaching job I've ever seen. He won

629
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Speaker 2: nine games. I think they've got like three total good players,

630
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Speaker 2: but he never been a head coach, and as time

631
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Speaker 2: went on, it just kind of, you know, unraveled a

632
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Speaker 2: little bit and you don't have as much to lean

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Speaker 2: on dan Quinn. Once you've been a head coach and

634
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Speaker 2: he's been fired, you've kind of seen it all, especially

635
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: when you've had success and you've worked for the best

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Speaker 2: in the business. You know, you talk to anyone with

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs, there's no taking practices off. I mean, they're

638
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: not winning these games late in the season and all

639
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: these playoff games close because they have a bunch of

640
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: guys that just chill Monday through or Wednesday, Thursday, and

641
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: Friday in October November, and then start practicing. You are

642
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: obligated to practice. I mean it's a tough environment. No

643
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: different with the Ravens, no different now with the Chargers.

644
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: With the hardball. Like you said, it is hard. I

645
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: mean the NFL, you practice way more than you play,

646
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: and these coaches they will push you to the limit

647
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: of what they are allowed to use with the pads

648
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: they're you know, the the CBA doesn't allow him to

649
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: have that many physical practices like they used to, but

650
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: the Hardball brothers, obviously Andy, Mike, Tomlin, Carroll Shirley will

651
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: push it to the limit when it comes to that.

652
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: So I just think the same teams are whinning. We

653
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: talk about this all the time, are winning over and over.

654
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: I mean, look at the top quarterbacks there on the list.

655
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: They also benefit from playing I mean Burrows somewhat of

656
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: an outlier, but they all play with really well run

657
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: or I mean Baker resurrected his career. You know, if

658
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: you would have put Baker in like Arizona the last

659
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: couple of years, probably doesn't look but he goes to Tampa,

660
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: best GM in the league, or one of them. A

661
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: bunch of good players, high level guys, and Boom resurrects

662
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: his career. He's matured. And the same with Jared Goff.

663
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: Jared Goff just talked about you know, when he was traded,

664
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: it really rattled them. A couple of years later, gets

665
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: another big extension and now he's you know, I would

666
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: say he's going to make five or six Pro Bowls

667
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: in his time in the NFC or you knows.

668
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: So they're not playing Matt Stafford. Rams apparently dominated the

669
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: Cowboys at that practice they had and then they didn't

670
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: play Matt Stafford and uh, you know, controlled the Cowboys

671
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: when they played in the game. And I have said this,

672
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: the Cowboys I think have one of the weaker staffs.

673
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: I think the Mica and the Trayvon Diggs noise. These

674
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: guys don't. They want new deals. And I mean the

675
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: Rams are playing Stetson Bennett like they're not. They're you

676
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: know who, by the way, I'm not, I mean like

677
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: disappeared came back. I'll throw this up if I said

678
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: to you the two bottom teams in the NFL, I

679
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: think the Giants are going to be one, mostly because

680
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: of their quarterback situation, they're set. I actually like some

681
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: of their players. Their schedules brutal. Their schedules absolutely brutal.

682
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: They're going to go all and four against probably Washington

683
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: and Philadelphia at best. They split with Dallas, but I

684
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: think we would both say the Giants with the schedule

685
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 1: in their quarterback situation, it's going to be pretty dire.

686
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: We know Cleveland and the Saints could be really bad.

687
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: Dallas may not have playoff wins over the last thirty years,

688
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: not many of them. Is it possible they are a

689
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: three win team? Is it possible?

690
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: I think it's very difficult. That Dak plays a lot

691
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 2: of games. If you tell me Dak plays fifteen sixteen games,

692
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 2: even really shitty, they're probably winning fifteen or sixty or

693
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: I mean five or six games. One things Jerry's proven

694
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: is they have had guys kind of come out of

695
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: nowhere over shown they actually draft pretty well. So they

696
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: get some guys now that they.

697
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: Nail their first round picks usually.

698
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they get some guys in the mid rounds

699
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: that just saw some random guy on defense playing safety

700
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: that you didn't who's this Deron Bland guy from sax State,

701
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: Fresno State, transfer. They've been a pretty good drafting team.

702
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: Hard to overcome, you know, a coaching staff if you're right,

703
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: they don't have one of the good staffs. I mean,

704
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: this guy was not This guy would not have been

705
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: a coordinator in the league. Now. Some stuff, you know,

706
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: it's it's perception, it's you know, the buzz of your candidacy.

707
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: Are you high or you low? That matters in the

708
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: NFL or college too. And he was obviously not thought

709
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: of like he once was. But that's a fact. He

710
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: would not have been a coordinator in the league. You know,

711
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: eber Flus people think he's a good defensive coordinator. Well,

712
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: they just re hired him because they knew him, you know,

713
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: because he was coaching on their staff several years ago.

714
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: Kind of a classic Jerry thing, Mike and Parsons, we

715
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: have some I mean, Bosa wasn't two years ago, set

716
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 2: out all camp and just wasn't quite the same that season.

717
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 2: You know, even if you're working on your own beside

718
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: practice in the weight room with the training staff, it's

719
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: not the same as getting the practice rep. So even

720
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: if they signed him September first and he plays or

721
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: I guess they'd probably need to do a little before

722
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: that because they're playing Thursday night football, But the expectation

723
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: for him would have to be tempered a little bit.

724
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 2: And they they're depending on a ton of young guys

725
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: on the offensive line and that can be very hit

726
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: or miss. Yeah, when it hits, it's awesome. We saw

727
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: the Chiefs kind of doing that last year too, and

728
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, you know, well, it can flip

729
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: on you quick. So free Fields. I do think they

730
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: have an infrastructure of guys that have won, Like even

731
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: when Mike had comes back, he's won a lot of games,

732
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: Dak Ceedee Lamb, like, they got some solid players. But

733
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: I do think it could just be they could be

734
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: the last place team in the division if if the

735
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 2: coach is over his head and they're I mean they're

736
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: pretty top heavy. I mean, Ceedee Lamb pulls amstream. What

737
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: the hell are you gonna do? Ford, Georgia Dickens.

738
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I agree with you, and I was

739
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: a little over the top. I coaching is at least

740
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: thirty to forty percent of this league. It's a big

741
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: part because you know the margins is, you know, the

742
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: average game is decided by four to six points, and

743
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: I mean, Mike McCarthy's a good coach and struggled in

744
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: close games. I mean, they always had too many penalties

745
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: with Mike McCarthy. They weren't good situationally. Some of that is,

746
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, Dak Cooper rush, Dak got banged up. Dak

747
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: now and he's never been a great thrower back now

748
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: as a pocket quarterback. So my take is the George

749
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: Picken acquisition could end up being you know, we all

750
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: looked at it and went, oh boy ooh immature. It

751
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: may have saved this team because you can't roll your

752
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: coverage over out of just cdee lamb. Because George is

753
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: such a hard physical matchup, with his coaching, with his

754
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: catching radius. My take is there's always an acquisition, and

755
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: we look at it was maybe Xavier McKinney for the

756
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: Packers or somebody. When they got him, didn't they get

757
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: him with the Giants. You look up, You're like, god, damn,

758
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 1: he's a good football player. I think the George Pickens

759
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: thing really ends up kind of at least making the

760
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: Cowboys a good watch. I mean, I'll watch the I

761
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: want to watch Pickens with Zach, I want.

762
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: To watch him with brun Shott. Nimers. He listening to him.

763
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 2: He wasn't listening to Mike Tomlin's gonna listen to that guy.

764
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: I think one Gruden talked about this, Mike Lombardi talked

765
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: about this those latter years of Al Davis, and it

766
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 2: was always probably like this. But when it got really

767
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: out of control, players knew that when the coordinator the

768
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 2: head coach got mad at him, they would just circumvent

769
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: them and go right to the owner's office because they

770
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: knew he was in charge if he wanted to of

771
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 2: the plays of who got cut like he was. He

772
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: was very involved in football, and he was making all

773
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: the decisions. That is not the case with all these teams. Right,

774
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: if you play for the Chiefs, you know who the bosses,

775
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: Andy Reid, you know you play for the good teams,

776
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 2: you know the boss, the head coach in the GM,

777
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: You're not circumventing them to the owner right when that happens.

778
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: Remember when Chip Kelly got fired in Philly, and like

779
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: some of the players were talking to Jeffrey Lurry, I

780
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: was like, that's never a good sign. You know what

781
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: you have it? You don't hear that in Philadelphia? They

782
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: know Howie and Sirianne, like, if you got an issue,

783
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 2: you go to them, right. And I think that these players,

784
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: especially the last couple of years, because Jerry in the

785
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,959
Speaker 2: social media world we live in, he's so out front,

786
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: he talks so much. They knew Mike McCarthy, who had

787
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: won a super Bowl and won a ton of games, like, oh,

788
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: to anybody, you're not the boss, right, We'll go to

789
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: Jerry if we have an issue, and then and then

790
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: I'll just become a public thing and it becomes a

791
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: shit show. I think it's hard to overcome that, and

792
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: I think they almost did, because, let's face it, like

793
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: Mike kind of knows what he's doing. He has some limitations,

794
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: and I you know, he's got exposed a couple times

795
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, but he's a pretty good coach. Went

796
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: twelve games three years in a row with with Jerry,

797
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: which is not easy to do. Is Brian gonna be

798
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: able to handle that? Like? What if a what if

799
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: Mike Parsons doesn't like what Eberfluis is telling him. Once

800
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 2: he's finally signed, let's go. I mean he's already been

801
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: meet with Jerry. He just go to Jerry's office. Hey, Jerry,

802
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: we got this is not can you talk to Ebra

803
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: Fluis about running this coverage? Because that was a classic thing.

804
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: Now Al was more involved, like truly with the scheme.

805
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: But if I was a player and I had if

806
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: I thought the coach was an idiot, and I had

807
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 2: an owner like Jerry, I'd go right into his office

808
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: or give him a call. Jerry Steven, we this is

809
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: not going to work for me. And that is a

810
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 2: media implosion. And that might be if this team really

811
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: goes down, that could be something that Dak and his

812
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 2: leadership couldn't even over come. That's where it could really

813
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: be a problem. And I do think the gap between

814
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 2: a Mike McCarthy and Brian Schottenheimer could be like at

815
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 2: the forefront, be like, God, there's a gap between those

816
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 2: two guys. And remember last year Mike that got injured

817
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: with the hamstring injury, and it was like, oh, they're fucked,

818
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: And then as the season went on, you're like, you know,

819
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: that's pretty respectable what they did. The way it's just like, yeah,

820
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: a well run operation. There's a big gap. And we

821
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 2: talked about this with Jim Harbaugh. They could be a disaster,

822
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: but they're still win eight or nine. Games, not two

823
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: or three right like they did with that year with

824
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley when they imploded. Well, the difference between eight

825
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 2: and three or four can be a couple of players

826
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: just quitting on you in October and then all of

827
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: a sudden you kind of like start questioning yourself and

828
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: it can implod. So maybe worst case scenario, you get

829
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: weird stuff happening in an injury. Players quit on you

830
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 2: and don't believe on in you. It could be a problem,

831
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: and that would be Jerry's fault. Jerry's created this. You know,

832
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 2: culture gets thrown around a lot, but the culture in

833
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: Dallas is just Jerry. You just kind of do it.

834
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: Jerry wants. Jerry's in control. Mike McCarthy plays out his

835
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: last season. That was bizarre the way he does. These players,

836
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: I mean, they're just kind of run right now really

837
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: unlike all the respectable teams. And you know, for three

838
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: years with Mike McCarthy, I know, they bombed down in

839
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: the playoff. They were respectable twelve games every year, really

840
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: good players. But all the other teams they're competing, the Packers,

841
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: the Niners, all the teams they are losing to, they

842
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: don't operate anything like that with their owner. But it's

843
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: not going to stop as long as you know. It

844
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: feels like it's getting worse, doesn't it.

845
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think going back to your initial comment,

846
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: I think they they're starting to feel like Al Davis

847
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: the last six or seven years there. It's interesting what

848
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: power does to men. I think women tend to age

849
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more gracefully, but wealthy guys, you know,

850
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: it could be Sumner Redstone. Is it Summer Redstone or

851
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: Sumner Redstone.

852
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: I forget a lot of.

853
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 1: These old guys. They get a little crazy and they

854
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: lack self awareness, and most of them are not like

855
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: Warren Buffett. It's like, hey, I could still do this

856
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: for three or four more years, but you know it's time.

857
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: And I think you see this. I mean the NFL,

858
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: of all these sports ownership groups, it is a good

859
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: old boys club and they wouldn't you know, they wouldn't

860
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: even consider bringing in probably a Mark Cuban like the

861
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: NBA did. They wouldn't even consider it. And it's just

862
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: it's just a place where Jerry and Bob Kraft and

863
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: Stan Kronke. There's a handful of owners who are highly

864
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: influential and Jerry knows it. But the problem being is,

865
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: you know, once you get close to the first number

866
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: in your age being eight, it's different. I mean, Vin

867
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: Scully was broadcasting, you know, in his seventies. You can

868
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: Al michaels is seventy seven. There's a big gap. You

869
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: start getting, you start getting seventy nine, eighty eighty one.

870
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: Your faculties aren't the same, you know. And it's like,

871
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: and Jerry's lived hard, Jerry's lived at big life. Al

872
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: Jerry parties today and Al lived a big life, And

873
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: so it's not a shot. It's just I think about

874
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: this stuff all the time, is that I love to

875
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: age gracefully and I probably won't. So I just I

876
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: think it's one of those things where it's become the

877
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: Lakers a little bit. It's it's new ownership and it

878
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: will never happen. Would not be terrible, like the Bus

879
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: Family got you know, Kobe's agent, Rob Polinka is the

880
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: GM and there's all sorts of friends and family cowboys.

881
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: Just they're not the Bears. They're not totally dysfunctional in

882
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: ownership with like eleven kids, but they're not. They're closer

883
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: to the Bears than they are to.

884
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: The rams right now, I agree, they just have more money, right, yeah,

885
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 2: I think you bring up Robert Kraft. Obviously it ended

886
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 2: really poorly with Bill, but for those twenty years became

887
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: a star. But Bill got to be the face, you know,

888
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: the face of the team, at the forefront of making

889
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 2: the decisions, and he buried the responsibility good or bad,

890
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 2: and he went out right. Robert joined him when it

891
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: was good, but if it was bad, Bill took the arrows.

892
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: Al Davis even in his prime and Jerry in his

893
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: prime could not have gone twenty years with Bill Belichick

894
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: getting all the credit of the good times. I mean

895
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: they prove that. I mean, I would get rid of

896
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: coaches in his prime when they were winning Super Bowls,

897
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: and obviously Jerry, I mean had that early on. It

898
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: was like Jimmy, you're out, you know. And again that

899
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: was when Jerry was sharp as attack. I mean, probably

900
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: one of the more impressive business guys. And this is

901
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: the mid nineties. So your personality does it only amplify

902
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: and get more aggressive the more money you have, Like

903
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: you said, now he's in his eighties. I just think

904
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: it could get really, really weird because if the team's

905
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: not good, he's still calling into that radio show every

906
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 2: Tuesday morning. He's still in the locker room, which doesn't

907
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 2: happen anywhere else. I mean it, Dak and these guys

908
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 2: are so numb to it because it's all they've ever seen.

909
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 2: If you just put like a took some dude from

910
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: like the Rams, you know, like a just take like

911
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: a Pooka and Nakula or just any other team and

912
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: just put them on the Cowboys for like a week

913
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: after the game in the locker room and the owner

914
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: is over there. Like usually the press goes to the quarterback,

915
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: they go to the guy that made the big play.

916
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: Jerry walks in that room and he's ready to hold court.

917
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: They all go because his quote's gonna make the headlines.

918
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 2: And unlike those guys that might not say anything, you know,

919
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: Jerry will Yeah.

920
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: So you and I had a long discussion watching the

921
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: Jets and the Packers last night over at Tito's and

922
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: and we we probably spent an hour just you and

923
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: I before my crazy in laws came over. And one

924
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: of the things you talked me into is I've said

925
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: all off season, I don't know what the heck to

926
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: do with the Packers. They won double digit games last

927
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: year and Jordan was hurt early and didn't play great late. Okay,

928
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: but I was thinking about this when I woke up

929
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: and you went to the airport, and I was thinking

930
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: about this. I'm like Detroit's coordinators their replacements really worry me.

931
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: Chicago's offense in Kleb really worries me. JJ McCarthy, I

932
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: don't think there's any question that Viking staff is just

933
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: trying to build his confidence up. The whole camp is

934
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: about his confidence. I think I'm gonna take even though

935
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: the Packers got boat raced by the Jets, I think

936
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna end up before we get to JJ McCarthy.

937
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna take the Packers. They've had a

938
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: quiet offseason, and I think that stuff matters. I mean,

939
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: you've got Alliance team that will not be as good

940
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: because they lost two of the best coordinators, whether Aaron

941
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 1: Glenn and Ben Johnson hit his coaches, they were great coordinators.

942
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: You know, Aaron Glenn had a top ten defense. They

943
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: had like four starters out. I mean insisting, you know,

944
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: in an offensive division, and I just I think you've

945
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: talked me into it is And McIntyre has been on

946
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: this too quiet good coach Jordan loves healthy. Green Bay

947
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: is probably gonna win that division.

948
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: You wrote the Lions off after the Hall of Fame game.

949
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 2: I'm out I wouldn't go that far though. The theme

950
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: of losing those two guys, I mean the Hall of

951
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: Fame game, I get. I mean, they did look bad,

952
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 2: but I do think losing those two guys what Aaron

953
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: Glenn brought to the table in terms of emotion, let

954
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: alone the scheme. I mean, he was kind of the

955
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: heartbeat of that team, and then bend the brains. It's

956
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 2: just how do you replace that? Right? I mean, it's

957
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: like any industry, any business, losing two employees at that

958
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: high level, Even if you hit on one of the two,

959
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a you know, probably a dramatic drop

960
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: off on one of them. And if it's the offense,

961
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: that would be a big blow to Detroit because offensively

962
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: that's really where they separated. You know, I do think

963
00:47:55,200 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 2: Minnesota has a better roster. Removed the quarterback, and you

964
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: could argue, beside the Eagles in the NFC, no one's

965
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: even on their level. You could argue minus the quarterbacks,

966
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 2: they're right there with the Eagles. I mean, they got

967
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: a pretty special roster, but I just think there's something

968
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: about the Packers. I mean, we're talking about it. I

969
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: didn't even quite realize. You know, you live by the

970
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: lake and then you kind of pull the map and

971
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: you see the Green Bays not really that far, and

972
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 2: then I realized, I get why the Bears are so

973
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: jealous of the Packers. You got the big one of

974
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: the great cities in the world, and you got this

975
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: little town up the road. But they've been kicking the Bears.

976
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: Ass for thirty years.

977
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: And now they're on their third quarterback. It's one thing,

978
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, farm, I get it, we'll tip our

979
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: hat to you. Then you get Rogers, like we're really

980
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: gonna take this for fifteen years. And now you get

981
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: Jordan Love who he had a couple throws yesterday. His

982
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: talent is immense, James there. Their offensive line is always good,

983
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: they're high on this young quarterback. Their defense is now good.

984
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: They're just that program that they're never going to be sexy,

985
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: like you know, like they're Ohio State football or you

986
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 2: know what Andy Reid was early with Mahomes and that

987
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: we don't talk about them like that post Rogers. But

988
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 2: last year they won eleven games and they won one

989
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 2: in the Division one one and their quarterback got hurt

990
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: week one, which had to throw them off a little bit,

991
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 2: even though they won the next couple weeks with Malik Willis,

992
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 2: which to me shows their coach is pretty good. You know,

993
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 2: their coach is pretty he's unlike Kevin O'Connell, like he's

994
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 2: won some playoff games. So I won the gambling values there.

995
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you're getting them like two and a half

996
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 2: to one to win the division. Google how many times

997
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: they've won the division the last thirty years. A lot.

998
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 2: They just do it a lot. I do think there's

999
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: some internal pressure now that they got that Murphy guy.

1000
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: Their president who kind of works as the owner is

1001
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: now Carmen Policy's son, Ed's in charge. So I mean

1002
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 2: this is a very like there's some of the line

1003
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 2: for Goodikins and Lafleur in a weird way because they

1004
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: have a new boss. I just think they're flying under

1005
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: the radar.

1006
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: You know, and there's a lot of different ways to win.

1007
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 1: In Philadelphia. We don't think they have the best head coach,

1008
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: but they have the best roster. In Los Angeles, we

1009
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: don't think they have the best roster, but we love

1010
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: the quarterback in the coach. You know, green Bay, it's continuity.

1011
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: The division's got all sorts of turmoil, losing coordinators, Chicago

1012
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: can't get the quarterback, right, is JJ McCarthy right? It

1013
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: just continuity is it's I don't even know the comp IBM.

1014
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: Like Microsoft, Microsoft's been great. It missed on the phone.

1015
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: There have been moments, but you look up and you're like, yeah, Ai,

1016
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: Microsoft's good. Green Bay has been really ahead of the

1017
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: curve on quarterbacks. They draft them early. They never draft

1018
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: offensive lineman in the first round. I couldn't tell you

1019
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: the best offensive line. And you and I talked about

1020
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: this these There was a book written years ago called

1021
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: maybe thirty years ago, called The Millionaire next Door, and

1022
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: it was about how many people live next door to you.

1023
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: They pay off their home, they have a four to

1024
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 1: oh one K, They live under their means, and they're

1025
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: millionaires and they don't have huge salaries. And that really

1026
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: is the Packers. They're missing a barstool leg, right. They

1027
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 1: don't have that free agent leg. Whereas a Philadelphia, Miami,

1028
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: A certain places there are people want to go play

1029
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: in La Devonte Adams didn't take didn't have to arm

1030
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: wrestle them to get them to Sean McVay and Stafford

1031
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: in the rams, right, like Green Bay didn't have that.

1032
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: So they have to draft and develop, like the school

1033
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: teachers have to be smart with their money to become

1034
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: millionaires in Green Bay when you're forced. I don't think

1035
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: it's a coincidence that both New York teams are a

1036
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: bit of a mess. Why because they have great game

1037
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: day revenue, they got great local radio, TV advertising revenue,

1038
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: and they take big swings and they don't do their homework.

1039
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: Green Bay does their homework. And I just I look

1040
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: at this organization and their continuity, their intelligence, their development.

1041
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: They almost develop like a really good college program.

1042
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 2: They need to develop in my comp You know a

1043
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 2: lot of times in college football, the underling goes and

1044
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 2: as a coach somewhere else, right like Sark's not at Alabama, right,

1045
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 2: Lane Lane Kiffin's not at Alabama. Typically these guys go off.

1046
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, when they tried to replace p Carroll

1047
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: didn't go well. But in basketball, think about when Roy

1048
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: Williams replaced Steen Smith finally because he just knew what

1049
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: worked in that program, or John Schier now with coach

1050
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 2: k like, there is a blueprint in that program that

1051
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 2: they know works. Gutikins was taught from Ted Thompson, who

1052
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: was taught from run Wolf Like there is a consistent

1053
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 2: theme in that organization that has never changed, which is

1054
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 2: pretty rare when you have turnover like the Eagles. How

1055
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: he's been there for decades, right, so it's him. But

1056
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 2: when you look at like the Ravens, they went from

1057
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 2: Ozzie to DaCosta, so they have thought the you know,

1058
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 2: a very similar path. You'd even go from Kevin Colbert

1059
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: to Omar Kahan now with the Steelers, like he's he

1060
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: was taught under that. It's pretty rare because a lot

1061
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 2: of times you fire someone, you bring in the best

1062
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: teams executive, right, That is not what is happening with

1063
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 2: the Backers for decades, So there is connections. Like Gutikins

1064
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: can tell stories that Ron Wolfe told Ted Thompson about

1065
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 2: what they did in nineteen ninety four with Reggie White

1066
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 2: at Forever trading for this guy or cutting this guy,

1067
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 2: and that is pretty rare. Like John Lynch can't tell

1068
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: stories of stuff that happened with Bill Walsh like the

1069
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 2: personnel moves in nineteen eighty nine were less sneed with

1070
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 2: Mike Martz and Dick for Meal back in nineteen ninety nine.

1071
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 2: It's just that's pretty rare, and I think that's the

1072
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 2: only reason that this little town a couple hours above

1073
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: you sitting right now, dominates these big cities. The volume