1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: But he's up straight fire, fam. It's me Jason McIntyre, 3 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 2: Straight Boyer for Friday, November the seventh, and we have 4 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: a great, great guest on today's podcast for you, you know. 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,159 Speaker 2: And it's a good thing because the very much to 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: say about that awful, rotten, terrible, ghastly Thursday night football 7 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: game between the Broncos and the Raiders. Oh dear, it 8 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 2: was ugly probably the worst NFL game of the season. 9 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: I mean, it's certainly up there. Before I briefly touch 10 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: on the game, I'll just tell you about our guest. 11 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: His name is Ben Fox. He's at Yahoo Sports. He is, 12 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 2: he's in the gambling space, does a lot, has a 13 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: lot of good information, and boy, you guys are gonna 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: need it. After we all were on Denver, although we 15 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: kind of hedged a little bit with Raiders first. As 16 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: you said on the pod, I don't know, Denver just 17 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: did not show up. But Ben's got some interesting numbers 18 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: this weekend. A lot of heavy favorites the public is backing. 19 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: Denver was one of them. And we'll dive into Ben shortly, 20 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: just real quick. I don't even know what you do 21 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: when a game has this stat which I don't think 22 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 2: I've ever seen. The teams combined for twenty first downs 23 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: each had ten. The teams combined for twenty two penalties. 24 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: Each team had eleven. So the Denver Broncos had more 25 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 2: penalties than first downs against one of the worst teams 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: in the league at home, the Raiders. You know, we 27 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: expect ineptitude from them. 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: They're horrible. 29 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: Gosh, they're terrible. And it was all I would run 30 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: back to handicap exactly the same way. Yes we knew 31 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: it was a trap game, Yes we knew Denver would 32 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: be sleepy, but holy hell, this is how tired the 33 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: Raiders were after that early touchdown drive. Here are their 34 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: possessions in the second half. Three plays eight yards, punt, 35 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: one play interception, three play six yards sorry negative six 36 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: yards blocked punt, three plays negative one yard punt, six 37 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 2: plays forty two yards punt, six plays fifteen yards, miss 38 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: field goal. They could not move the football. How about this, 39 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: brock Powers after a monster game last week one catch 40 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: for thirty one yards. That was the longest play of 41 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: the game for the Raiders. Ashton Jenty couldn't get unlocked. 42 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: The coaching staff did not trust Gino. Once you get 43 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: that touchdown, they were like, all right, let's just see 44 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: if we can hang around. We're not gonna do anything exotic. 45 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: They basically did not try anything. Tyler Lockett, who joined 46 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: the team, like what ten days ago, maybe maybe a 47 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: week he had six targets, brock Powers had three. Okay, 48 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: don't I really don't know what the Raiders were doing, 49 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: but I'll just spend a quick benner on the Denver Broncos. 50 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: They look tremendously fraudulent. There is nothing that terrifies you 51 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 2: about this offense whatsoever. Bo Nix was Oh my gosh, 52 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: he was terrible. One hundred and fifty yards passing two picks, 53 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: and you could see the confidence draining in him as 54 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: he is continually doing goofy things back there. I mean, 55 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 2: he just doesn't look at nearly as good as he 56 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: did last year. I remember last year he wasn't great. 57 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 2: He was just good for a rookie. Now he's regressed, 58 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: and I don't know, I'm at the point, like, listen, 59 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: I get it, this was a bit of a letdown spot. 60 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 2: But it's the Raiders. I know, it's a divisional matchup. 61 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 2: You can't move the football down the field, ten first downs, 62 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty total yards, three point nine yards 63 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: per play. Now the big question is when the Kansas 64 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: City Chiefs come to Denver out of there by, how 65 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: much are the Chiefs favored by? Yeah, I know, Denver's 66 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: want seven in a row and they're eight and two. 67 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: Whoopie damn? Do I mean? 68 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: This does not look like a team that scares you 69 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: in the least. Now, I'm sure Peyton will have some 70 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: offensive stuff cooked up. Didn't want to put anything on 71 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: tape this week. Very vanilla offense game plan bo Nicks 72 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: buck fifty against the Raiders, Bucks seventy three against Houston, 73 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: Bucks seventy four against the Jets, one fifty three against 74 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: the Chargers. Here are the quarterbacks that they that the 75 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: Broncos have beaten during this seventh seven game win streak. 76 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: Jake Browning the Jalen Hurts, Luck Box win in the 77 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 2: fourth quarter, Justin Fields, Jackson, Dart, Dak Prescott, c J. Stroud, Oh, 78 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Davis Mills. Davis Mills, not c J. Stroud. 79 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 2: Davis Mills came on I think for about three quarters 80 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: and Gino Smith slash Kenny Pickett, for a possession. Listen, guys, 81 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: the Broncos are not very good as long as now 82 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 2: if they get home field advantage, as there's a little 83 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: slight edge there. But this to me does not look 84 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: like a team that's going to do any damage in 85 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: the playoffs. Yes, when they get certand back, the defense 86 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 2: is nasty, they'll be able to hang around and maybe 87 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 2: Peyton could cook up some magic and they can win 88 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 2: a game. Fourteen thirteen seventeen team, It's something in that ballpark. 89 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: But in an offensive league, you know, I think Josh 90 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: Allen's probably favored going into Denver in the playoffs. I'm 91 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 2: sure Lamar Jackson is too, and you know, maybe the 92 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 2: Denver defense comes up. But I saw nothing that impressed 93 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: me from the Denver Broncos. All Right, without further ado, 94 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: let's get to our guest, Ben Fox of Yahoo Sports. 95 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 96 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports radio 97 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 98 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 1: listen live. You know, Jason likes to think he knows 99 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports. 100 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 3: I know what sports fans want, but. 101 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: For everything he doesn't he knows a guy who does. 102 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: Let's just say I know a guy who knows the 103 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 3: guy who knows another guy. 104 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome into straight Fire a new face 105 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 2: we have never well we've spoken before, but we've never 106 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 2: had him on the podcast. But you know, I like 107 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 2: these guys that are up and coming into gambling space. 108 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: And know a few years ago this guy reached out 109 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 2: to me, Hey, I'm doing an article. Can I get 110 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: your pick? And I was like, oh, sure, why not? 111 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: And then I followed him and I started he's got 112 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 2: good content. So for NFL Week ten, let's bring in 113 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: Ben Fowks Yahoo Sports. I hope I didn't butcher your 114 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 2: name there. 115 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: Ben. 116 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 2: How you doing, man? 117 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 3: No, you crushed it. 118 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: Man. 119 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 4: I think we met a long, long time ago, very 120 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 4: briefly at a Westgate Super Contest weekend. 121 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've been sailing that for many years. 122 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, twenty twelve or something along. Oh wow, time ago. 123 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: But yeah, so I had pivoted to Circa in recent years, 124 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: but has been well, jeez, have I've been doing that 125 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 2: for that long? I guess I've I've lost a lot 126 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: of money when you did, and you calculate the fifteen 127 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: hundred dollars buy in, but I feel like I'm close 128 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: every year. This year last week kind of sucked two 129 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 2: or three, but so Ben. Obviously, the gambling space has 130 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: been exploding for the last I don't know, three or 131 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: four years. I'm just curious what talk to us about 132 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 2: your origin story, how you got interested in gambling? Was 133 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: it a family just just numbers guy data scientist tell 134 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: tells your origin story? 135 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think everyone. I think growing up 136 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 4: in Brooklyn, I've always liked to say that everyone your 137 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 4: experience a gambling a little bit. You're around gambling always, 138 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 4: and so I think kind of probably in high school 139 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 4: you're starting hearing about like point spreads the NFL, and 140 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 4: you know, people have pools, and so that was kind 141 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 4: of the first I guess interaction with it. And obviously 142 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 4: kind of in college I kind of fell into gambling 143 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 4: a little a little bit like I was econ psych 144 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 4: in school, which is kind of the intersection I think 145 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 4: of gambling, and had started at ESPN. I had an 146 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 4: internship and then kind of started again after college and 147 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,679 Speaker 4: Chad Millman they basically needed somebody to edit betting content 148 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 4: and edit his podcast, and so I raised my hand 149 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 4: because I think as any you know, young person in 150 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 4: the industry, you should raise your hand and try and 151 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 4: do as much as you can possibly do. 152 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: And kind of learned. 153 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 4: About it that way and I was like, wow, this is 154 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 4: really interesting. That's that was back in twenty ten, so 155 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 4: a long time ago. But to me, gambling was just 156 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 4: this kind of like not secret society, right, but hush, hush. 157 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 4: Everyone has a nickname, like people who are in the 158 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 4: know kind of know about it. You know the spreads 159 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 4: you always saw them in like the Daily News, and 160 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 4: some people knew what they meant, some people didn't. Why 161 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 4: are some names capitalized for teams? Why are they not? 162 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 4: So it was like this puzzle kind of to solve, 163 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 4: I think for the general public. And certain people knew 164 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 4: about it, certain people didn't, and it was very taboo. 165 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 4: And then certainly slowly through ESPN and we eventually launched 166 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 4: the betting section ESPN Chalk in twenty fourteen, right before 167 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 4: the Adam Silver op ed in the New York Times, 168 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 4: which is very good timing, and then kind of kept 169 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 4: you know, working on it through eventually you know, Daily Wager, 170 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 4: and then I left in so I was at ESPN 171 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 4: for ten years, left in twenty twenty and went out 172 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 4: to v in the Vegas sasas Information Network out in 173 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 4: Vegas and was their VP of Digital Content. So went 174 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 4: from a very big company where sports betting is a 175 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 4: small piece obviously growing to a company that's the twenty 176 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 4: four to seven sports betting media company and was there 177 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 4: for a couple of years, and then now back in 178 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 4: New Jersey at Yahoo, which I started in March. 179 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, the congratulations on that move. I am just curious, 180 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: like we were pre COVID, We'll just use that as 181 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: as like a line of demarcation. But there wasn't much 182 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 2: gambling on screens right now, when you see a bug, 183 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: we're talking about something on the herd, the line is 184 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 2: there for the game. And that's pretty much on ESPN, Fox, everywhere. 185 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: I mean, we've kind of it's gone fast. No, it 186 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: kind of came out. I don't want to say it 187 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: came out of nowhere, because I had started a podcast 188 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 2: at Fox for gambling in like twenty seventeen, and they 189 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: were like, yeah, we don't know how to monetize this, 190 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 2: you know. I was like, right, yeah, do you see 191 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 2: what's you know, one of those deals? 192 00:09:58,920 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 3: Yeah. 193 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 4: I mean, look, I think you always, no matter where 194 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 4: you are and what idea you have, you always need 195 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 4: someone a little higher to believe in it, right, And 196 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 4: I think especially at larger companies, someone has to stick 197 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 4: their neck out and say, hey, this is an idea. 198 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 4: We want to be ahead of this as opposed to 199 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 4: necessarily reactionary. So I think once the Supreme Court legalized it, 200 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 4: a lot of things that had already been being discussed 201 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 4: at companies and the leagues. 202 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 3: As you saw, they were able to kind. 203 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 4: Of flip a switch much quicker than if it was Wow, 204 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 4: this came out of nowhere, right, because it took a 205 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 4: while for the case, the New Jersey case, to work 206 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 4: its way through the courts. Then the Supreme Court took it, 207 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 4: then once they actually heard it, it was another six months 208 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 4: until they actually rendered a decision. And then obviously once 209 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 4: states started, it takes a while to actually implement it, 210 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 4: so it's kind of a slower build. But to your point, 211 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 4: I think a lot of casinos thought, hey, we're going 212 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 4: to be the winners in this space because everybody knows 213 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 4: these different casino brands, when in reality, it's a technology play, right, 214 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 4: and whoever is the best app the best promos you know, 215 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 4: the quickest to deposit and withdraw is going to be 216 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 4: the winners. And I think that's why we've seen some 217 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 4: of the you know, bigger companies like a DraftKings and 218 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 4: a FanDuel take. 219 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 3: A lead because they had those lists. 220 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 4: From daily Fantasy sports years ago before sports betting was legal, 221 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 4: and they invested more in the technology, and so when 222 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 4: you went into these different states, all of a sudden 223 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 4: they had this app that was much better than these 224 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 4: legacy kind of casino brands, and they took over some 225 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 4: of those states. You know, in New Jersey, I think 226 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 4: is probably like ninety five percent of the handle is mobile, right, 227 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 4: It's not like wow, legalized sports betting. People are now 228 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 4: driving to Atlantic City to place their bets. They're on 229 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 4: their couch, or they're at work or wherever they are. 230 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 4: You know, previously, when New Jersey was legal, New York wasn't. 231 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 4: People were you know, taking the Path train to Hoboken 232 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 4: or driving over you know, the GW Bridge to place 233 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 4: their bets and then go back to New York. So 234 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 4: it is really all you know mobile. There's certainly an 235 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 4: argument whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. 236 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 4: With responsible gaming and addiction and all that, but definitely 237 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 4: that is where certainly we've gone. And I think COVID 238 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 4: as well was a real accelerant. Just people at home 239 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 4: looking for things to do, all of a sudden, things 240 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 4: to bet on. For those of us like myself, potentially 241 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 4: invest in sports cards some other things like, people were 242 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 4: looking to spend money on things, and I think betting 243 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 4: was certainly one that accelerated kind of the growth that 244 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 4: we've seen too. 245 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 246 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 2: So one of the things I like that you do 247 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: is you put out the bet percentages and the handle 248 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 2: on some of these games. So for instance, we could 249 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: take this week. You know, I don't know if you 250 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: want to pick a game, but like, let's just go 251 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 2: Carolina New Orleans. Ordinarily, this game is irrelevant. The New 252 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: Orleans Saints are awful, the rookie quarterback Shook looks lost, 253 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: they don't have their center. It's a disaster. Carolina is 254 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: favored by five and a half, which is an scene 255 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 2: number for a team that's not very good, but did 256 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: just beat the Packers when I'm sure a lot of 257 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: public gamblers had the Packers in this game. Do you 258 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: like the public loaded up on Carolina or is this 259 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: just such a low, wet, lowbat game that it doesn't 260 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 2: matter or and I know sometimes you'll say, like seventy 261 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: eight percent on Carolina, but was that at Carolina at 262 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 2: minus four four and a half five five and a half. 263 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great question, and it's why I think 264 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 4: all the kind of betting splits g I guess I 265 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 4: would take a step back. I think gambling content is 266 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 4: very difficult in general, right, just it really depends who 267 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 4: your audience is, what they're looking for, and you kind 268 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 4: of get caught in a lot of a catch twenty 269 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 4: two not to get two inside baseball, right, But if 270 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 4: you're giving out a pick and then the line's moving 271 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 4: off of your pick, well that's good because you're moving 272 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 4: the market, but also then people aren't getting the pick 273 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 4: at that number, so they're saying, hey, if you give 274 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 4: out Seahawks minus six and now it's minus seven, Okay, 275 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 4: that's not as that's a totally different line. And so 276 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 4: same thing with betting splits. Right, The information that we 277 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 4: get that sportsbooks give out is the aggregate. So at 278 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 4: all of the numbers, it's seventy eight percent of the bets. 279 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 4: Let's say on the Seahawks again, making up that number. 280 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 4: I can look it up in a second, but that's 281 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 4: at all the different numbers, including the line moves. They're 282 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 4: not giving what hey at six, this is what the 283 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 4: handle and splits where they obviously have that on the 284 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 4: back end. 285 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 3: They're not giving that away. 286 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 2: Do you think do you think they should ben? 287 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 4: I think at some point right, because to a certain extent, 288 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 4: you're still not necessarily revealing the sharp action right, which 289 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 4: is where probably the line is moving. Now, there's a 290 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 4: lot of reasons lines move, sharp action injuries obviously for totals, 291 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 4: whether other things like that, potentially head coach referees, like, 292 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 4: there's a lot of reasons that lines move. I don't 293 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 4: think you can necessarily pinpoint exactly why it is if 294 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 4: they give that. I generally think the more information, the 295 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 4: more transparency is better. And right, sportsbooks like giving us 296 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 4: away because they don't think they're losing any information. 297 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 3: That's why they're giving away right. 298 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: If they're not going to give away cost. 299 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 4: The money, then they wouldn't be giving it away publicly. 300 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 4: So I think it's a good data point to use. 301 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 4: That's why I tell people like, Hey, as part of 302 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 4: your handicapping, this is one thing you potentially could use. 303 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 4: If you want to totally ignore it, that's also totally fine, 304 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 4: you know, to each his own. I think it's just 305 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 4: an interesting point, and generally over the long term, I 306 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 4: do think it is fair that the public is going 307 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 4: to lose, right, So last week the Lions were just 308 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 4: every sports book, it was eighty percent, eighty five percent 309 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 4: of the bets and the money on the lines to 310 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 4: cover against the Vikings. Obviously, they come nowhere close to 311 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 4: threatening to cover and lose the game outright, So it's 312 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 4: not always going to be a one to one for that. 313 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 4: We've especially seen that in college this year or bet MGM. 314 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 4: I send out kind of the top five by ticke account, 315 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 4: which is the most bet games, and those are some 316 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 4: insane number where they're you know, like twelve and thirty, right, 317 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 4: So like if you're betting against those, you're going thirty 318 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 4: and twelve always going to be like that. It's not 319 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 4: as simple as fade the public. But I just think 320 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 4: it's another interesting data point, certainly to have to your 321 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 4: point in the Saints game, like, I think that's where 322 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,239 Speaker 4: some of the to me, some of those interesting storylines 323 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 4: come up, whether or not it's actionable as another story. 324 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 4: But like I tweeted out, like the Panthers, they haven't 325 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 4: won a game as a favorite since twenty twenty one. Right, 326 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 4: They're zero to ten in their last ten games as 327 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 4: a favorite. Obviously, not all those are with Bryce Young 328 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 4: and the same coaching staff and all those things, but 329 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 4: in general, the Panthers as a favorite don't do well. Now, 330 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 4: they haven't played a bad Saints team with a rookie 331 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 4: quarterback who they didn't feel good enough to start at 332 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 4: the beginning of the season, and kind of like, all right, 333 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 4: the season's over, we're tossing them in. But that is 334 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 4: to your point. If you're ever going to take the 335 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 4: Panthers in Survivor, this is probably the week. 336 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 3: But also do. 337 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 4: You want the following week on Sunday when the Panthers 338 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 4: lose seventeen to thirteen and go, wow, I just spend 339 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 4: my potential thousand dollars in Circa or wherever else on you. 340 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 3: Know, Panthers big favorite. 341 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's certainly a balance. But yes, I think 342 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 4: the public I'll look that up while we're talking, but 343 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 4: I think you'll see the public, uh load up right 344 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 4: now at yeah, at one book seventy four percent of 345 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 4: bet seventy seven percent of the money on the Panthers, 346 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 4: So I think there'll be a team. The public is 347 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 4: getting behind this week, and obviously they just beat the packers, 348 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 4: so the public like that what they see. 349 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 2: Last, do you think that there's a couple of places 350 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 2: that post this info? Right? Somebody told me vsin does 351 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: an action network, but then I went to go look 352 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: for it and it's behind a paywall. You have to 353 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 2: like pay for that information. So it is interesting. So 354 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 2: they're willing to sell it, but they give it to 355 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: you for free to put out on social media. What 356 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 2: do you think that's about? So I will I. 357 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 4: Will say, since obviously I was involved in one of 358 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 4: those at Vson, it is something that people find valuable. 359 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 4: I will say that DraftKings does have a site for 360 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 4: free that you ca okay, yeah, that you can have. 361 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 4: Now I won't I wouldn't say it's as pretty as 362 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 4: Visan's and as organized, but it is all there for that. 363 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 4: And then certainly bet MGM puts out a ton of 364 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 4: information through John Ewing, and they obviously have a lot 365 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 4: of things on Twitter, so they don't have I believe, 366 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 4: a website dedicated to all that information. But I'd say 367 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 4: they probably put out the most information publicly in terms 368 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 4: of multiple sports. You know, most that handle props, all 369 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 4: those types of things. 370 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, and at arms race, which is what this is. 371 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 2: You want to be out there as much as possible. 372 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 2: I'm surprised they don't have someone dedicated to pushing everything 373 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: out the more information than our competitors, and then you 374 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 2: just get more eyeballs on it. But let me go 375 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 2: to the next step. I've been doing this long enough 376 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 2: that you know the trap spots when you see them, right, 377 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 2: Carolina last week against Green Bay, perfect trap spot. I 378 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 2: mean I fell for it anyway, but you knew the 379 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 2: Packers facing Aaron Rodgers, then Carolina, then the Eagles boom, 380 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 2: big time trap spot. And there's these littered throughout. But 381 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: those are the old school ways of looking at things. 382 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: They're already baked into the line, right because it's already 383 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: out there. What do you think are some new fangled 384 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 2: things that people are doing that maybe perhaps aren't as 385 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: well known and aren't as baked into the line yet 386 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: as some of these old school techniques. You know, hey, 387 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 2: team fires a coach, You bet that team that just 388 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: fired the coach. The next week, you know that that 389 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 2: kind of thing. 390 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 3: It's a great question. 391 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 4: I wish I had more of them, because I think 392 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 4: i'd probably have some more dollars in my pocket. But 393 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 4: I think, yeah, ultimately, as as you kind of said, 394 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 4: most of the the things or the angles we kind 395 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 4: of tend to think of are probably baked into the line. 396 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 4: I do think we probably don't. I think there's probably 397 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 4: more for the general public to do in terms of 398 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 4: rest advantage and disadvantage, right, and just those teams seeing 399 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 4: like hey, you know this week, for example, the playing 400 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 4: the Vikings the Ravens are off of Thursday night, right, 401 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 4: so they have kind of a mini buy. Or potentially 402 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 4: teams coming off of a bye, right, we saw this 403 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 4: where who was at the Browns against the Steelers? Right 404 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 4: where the Browns right the brutal scheduling spot coming off 405 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 4: of a game in Europe, didn't take their by facing 406 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 4: the Steelers who were coming off of a bye and 407 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 4: obviously you know they'd been to Europe, but they had, 408 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 4: you know, two weeks to recover. So those types of 409 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 4: things I think are difficult to quantify. I'd say the 410 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 4: same thing probably with totals a bit. I don't have 411 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 4: the numbers in front of me. But in terms of 412 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 4: the new rules, right and seeing how that was playing out. 413 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 4: I think early in the season, whenever there's a rule 414 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 4: change or something like that, it's essentially introducing variants, and 415 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 4: that any variance is going to be opportunity for gamblers, 416 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 4: right if you know kind of how to see it. 417 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 4: I think we weren't sure exactly how that would play 418 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 4: out into are there more returns? If they're fewer returns, 419 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 4: but the balls coming out to the thirty five yard line, 420 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 4: does that increase scoring? And so I think early on 421 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 4: we did see that increased scoring. 422 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 3: I think it's leveled out a bit. 423 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 4: But those are the types of things that I think 424 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 4: aren't those year to year changes that aren't necessarily baked in. 425 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 4: And probably i'd say some things with field goal kicking too. 426 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 4: It just from seeing it, it just seems like kickers 427 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 4: are better and are able to you know, set the Cowboys. 428 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 4: You know they're setting up at the forty yard line. 429 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 4: They're like within range for Brandon Aubrey. So just knowing, 430 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 4: there are a lot of other things that I think 431 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 4: different teams are planning for. 432 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 3: That's one and I guess one as well. 433 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 4: People specifically look at things even like the first quarter, right, 434 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 4: and knowing which team, whether they win or lose the 435 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 4: coin flip, are they more likely to receive or defer right, 436 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 4: And so then in the first quarter, maybe they get 437 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 4: two possessions, whereas the other team gets one. And so 438 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 4: depending on the team, you can bet that team obviously 439 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 4: that gets two possessions in the first quarter, you have 440 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 4: a lot better chance to cover any number. So there's 441 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 4: some small things like that, and again that opposite would 442 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 4: happen in the second half spread versus some of those bigger, 443 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 4: like larger trends. But in general, to your point, they're 444 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 4: like trap spots and things like that are pretty much 445 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 4: baked in. 446 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 447 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 448 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 449 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: listen live. 450 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 2: All right, before we get to the week ten NFL, 451 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 2: let me just ask you this. I think you said 452 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 2: you were an econsych major, right. 453 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 3: Yep, okay, I'm time. This question is going to be 454 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 3: now well not really. 455 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 2: I mean it just it's a psychology of gambling and men. 456 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 2: So you know, obviously, having the podcast going on the Herd. 457 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: Every day guys are coming up to me talking bets 458 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 2: and anytime they're like, hey, I saw your picks. I parlayed. 459 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 2: That's all they want to talk about. All these guys 460 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 2: just all they want to do is parlay and sing 461 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 2: game parlay. And I try to tell them, I like, 462 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 2: guys that that's insane, Like so many things can go 463 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 2: wrong to blow up your bet. Why don't you just do? 464 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 2: You know, almost like station to station baseball as opposed 465 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 2: to going up and going for the big spling. And 466 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 2: the more people I talk to, it's just like, oh, 467 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: that's all anybody wants to do is parlay picks and 468 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 2: try to hit some grim slam. And I'm like, what's 469 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 2: wrong with hey, man, you like this side, You've done 470 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 2: the research, just just go to go to the side. 471 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: And they're like, I'm not really into that. I want 472 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: I want the home run. Have you like noticed this 473 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: in talking to gamblers and seeing stuff online and talking to. 474 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 4: People, Yeah, I think A big thing I always kind 475 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 4: of try and put forth to people is like what 476 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 4: is your You know, sounds simple, but like what is 477 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 4: your why? 478 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 3: Why are you gambling? Right? 479 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 4: Are you gambling? To make money. Are you gambling because 480 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 4: you want to you're smarter than the book maker? Are 481 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 4: you in some picks pull with your friends and you 482 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 4: want to do better than they do? It generally is 483 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 4: not going to be a get rich quick scheme or 484 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 4: a money maker. And so I think as Americans, we 485 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 4: like to bet small amounts to win large amounts. 486 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 3: It's why the lottery is so popular. 487 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I would equate it a little bit to like, 488 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 4: if you have one hundred dollars, are you more likely 489 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 4: to put it in some alternative, you know, to bitcoin, 490 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 4: or you're more likely to put in a money market 491 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 4: right and grow it at three or four percent. One 492 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 4: of them is like going to make money, but a 493 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 4: very slow and steady amount, and the other probably is 494 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 4: going to lose a lot of money, might make a 495 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 4: lot of money. You're not really sure, but you're like, oh, 496 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 4: it's one hundred dollars, who cares? And so I think 497 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 4: for a lot of people, hopefully with the amount that 498 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 4: they're putting in gambling, they're saying, hey, this is entertainment. 499 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 4: I'd rather bet the sixteen parlay and then I have 500 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 4: a great story at the end if if it happens 501 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 4: or as is more likely I'll win for have some 502 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 4: horrible loss on the fifth leg, and then I also 503 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 4: have a great story. 504 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 3: I just don't win any money. 505 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 4: But I think it's just that same way that I 506 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 4: tell people the same thing, Like everyone does the same 507 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 4: thing with parlays. You go, all right, I love this 508 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 4: leg that can't lose. I love this leg that's winner. 509 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 4: I love this leg. Oh that's definite. And then you 510 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 4: put three more legs in. Why don't you just do 511 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 4: the first three that you think are already winners, right, 512 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 4: or maybe just do two like everyone has some cutoff 513 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 4: in their mind. That's like, and shows do it too, right, 514 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 4: all right, it's got to be under you know, minus 515 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 4: one twenty or whatever. It's like, why not just you know, 516 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 4: it could be minus two hundred, Like you're not going 517 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 4: to win as much money you might win though, So 518 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 4: it's just not how people's psychology, I think is people 519 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 4: like to have that giant win. It's not as exciting 520 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 4: to win a small amount of money, And then I 521 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 4: think they probably feel worse if it's like, hey, I 522 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 4: had a moneyline parlay of you know, three favorites and 523 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 4: one of them lost, and even if I won I 524 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 4: bet fifty dollars, I would have only won ten dollars. 525 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 2: So it's like I feel even worse. Yeah, I mean 526 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 2: a little depressing and sad. And again we're all at 527 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 2: different stations in life. A bottom line, if that's what 528 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 2: you're looking to do, I need to bet to make 529 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: a lot of money, Like I would highly suggest get 530 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 2: the hell out well, But at the same time, like, 531 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 2: what's wrong with I mean, a couple of weeks ago, Ben, 532 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: I think I went something like, you know, college NFL 533 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 2: was like nine and eight, and I'm the idiot who 534 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 2: doesn't do the exact same unit for every bet. Some 535 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 2: I feel more confident and you know how that game works, 536 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: which is stupid, but that's that's how I operate. And 537 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 2: I think I it was like plus like one oh seven, 538 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh. 539 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: I'll take it. 540 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 2: It's positive, it's green, you know, I'll take the plus 541 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 2: one oh seven as opposed to the you know, minus 542 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 2: five hundred because you only made two bets and they 543 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 2: were Hail Mary parlays. And I just I try to 544 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: tell people that, and again, some people just can't help. 545 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 2: That's what they're gonna do, That's how they're wired. But 546 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 2: when you look to this week in week ten, you 547 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 2: know there's been a couple of great teaser weeks. This 548 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 2: to me, doesn't strike me as a teaser week. I'm 549 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 2: just going to toss out a game that I'm looking 550 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 2: at as a dog, because there aren't a lot of 551 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 2: dogs that have been good the last few weeks. But 552 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: the Miami Dolphins. I doubt this will hit ten at 553 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 2: nine and a half. I know Josh Allen has dominated them. 554 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 2: I know Miami just sold Phillips. It's they fired the GM. 555 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: Miami is a sinking ship. That being said, the Buffalo 556 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: Bills just won the Super Bowl last week. I don't 557 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: know if you heard taking down the Chiefs, and all 558 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 2: is fine in Buffalo. Remember they smashed the Panthers the 559 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 2: week before. I think I like the Dolphins getting nine 560 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 2: and a half now. I don't know if I have 561 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 2: the kahonas to play it in the circle millions, but 562 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 2: are you seeing anything in that game that jumps out 563 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 2: of you? 564 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 4: This to me is definitely for me. I think stay away. 565 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 4: There was some sharp action that pushed Buffalo up. I 566 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 4: think it opened eight and a half at some books, 567 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 4: pushed it up to nine and a half. I want 568 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 4: to say the Bills have won maybe like seven of 569 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 4: eight against the Dolphins. They just kind of I think 570 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 4: they know how to defend Tua. It is one of 571 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 4: those kind of like eighty percent of bets eighty percent 572 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 4: of money on the Bills, as you would expect. I 573 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 4: think you probably are getting a little bit of an 574 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 4: inflated line because of that Pieser potential right nine and 575 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 4: a half as opposed to maybe it's a little lower. 576 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 4: The Dolphins just man are they are tough. Like they're 577 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 4: getting a lot more points than you would think if 578 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 4: you just said, hey, what was this spread back in May? 579 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 4: But I think it's difficult to know what you're going 580 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 4: to get from a team that just kind of got 581 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 4: They lost by you know, on the scoreboard. I think 582 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 4: it was what was it, twenty to six against the Ravens. 583 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 4: They were moving the ball up and down the field 584 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 4: in the first half, arguably should have been winning the 585 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,479 Speaker 4: game at halftime, they just kept shooting themselves in the foot. 586 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 4: The question is why would you think it might be 587 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 4: any different against the Bills, who probably have a I 588 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 4: don't know, better defense than they're not. Like the Ravens 589 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 4: defense has been lighting the world on fire either, So, 590 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 4: uh that that's a tough one. I mean, it's a 591 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 4: lot of points and. 592 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 2: It is in I mean, I don't have the line 593 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 2: from the last meeting. I think it was like double 594 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: digits on the Thursday night football and yeah, I. 595 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 4: Think it was ten and a half and the Dolphins 596 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 4: covered and they did move the ball up and down 597 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 4: the field, and it was that late to a pick 598 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 4: pick six I think, or interception. 599 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 2: That right, they cost him. So like even if I assume, 600 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 2: you know, maybe you could buff bet the Buffalo team total, 601 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 2: I think I don't know what it is yet, but 602 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 2: they're probably gonna get to thirty thirty one. You're telling Miami. 603 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 2: You're telling me Miami can't just get like a garbage 604 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: time touchdown from Tua to to Wattle or I know, 605 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 2: Darren Waller's out. They don't have a lot of weapons. 606 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 2: But remember Ben, just a few weeks ago, Buffalo could 607 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 2: not stop the run to save their life. And now 608 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 2: because you beat Carolina and the Chiefs, all those Buffalo 609 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: defense is awesome. 610 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 4: And it's Michael and Michael Hoy out for the season 611 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 4: as well, who. 612 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: Was Yeah that was a big loss. Yeah, So I 613 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 2: mean again, I don't love it. I'm not loading up 614 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 2: on the Dolphins, that's for sure. But to me, that 615 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 2: was one that kind of jumped out. And you've got 616 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 2: to again, you said, that's probably an eighty twenty split 617 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: buff public on Buffalo. 618 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 4: It is right now, which generally mean if it's this 619 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,479 Speaker 4: early and it's like that, that generally holds, you know, 620 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 4: towards the And again we're only you know, we're still 621 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 4: i'd say early in the week where there's let's just 622 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 4: say twenty percent of the total. That's bet most of 623 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 4: it's going to be Saturday and then the majority Sunday 624 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 4: morning of the public. But I think that you'll see 625 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 4: the public saying, whoa, the Bills, you know, just came 626 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 4: off this big win. Everybody saw them because that was 627 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 4: the only game anyone was watching in that four pm window. Yeah, 628 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 4: and then the Dolphins have been kind of a tire fire, 629 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 4: you know, all season. 630 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 3: We haven't seen them in a while. The public is 631 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 3: going to load up on the Bills here under ten. 632 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 2: So the public also knows that Dan Campbell off a loss, 633 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 2: is like twelve to zero against the spread, and Jayden 634 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 2: Daniels is cooked, and I see Detroit it looks like 635 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 2: it's moving down. I think I thought I saw eight 636 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 2: and a half earlier this week, I'm seeing eight now. 637 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 2: Is this possibly another road favorite of more than a 638 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 2: touchdown getting eighty percent of the bets? 639 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 4: This is And this is one where I think I'm 640 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 4: on the square side because I like the Lions in 641 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:55,959 Speaker 4: this game as well. Just watching that, Yeah, I am 642 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 4: a Vikings fan, So watch that game and wait, how 643 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 4: does that work? Yeah, my dad's from Minnesota. Is the 644 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,479 Speaker 4: short the short answer. But I don't think the Vikings 645 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 4: are getting probably the credit they deserve for going into 646 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 4: Detroit and beating a Detroit team that crushed its other 647 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 4: opponents in Detroit. Now this is on the road, but 648 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 4: the Commanders were just that game against the Seahawks was 649 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 4: over in the first quarter, like that was a varsity 650 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 4: and JV situation. That defense is really bad. Obviously Mariota 651 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 4: is not Jaden Daniels. We're not sure. I don't think 652 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 4: if Terry McLaurin is playing. They just have kind of 653 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 4: had that, you know, the Bill Simmons season from hell, 654 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 4: like it just has been. 655 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 3: Everyone thought there would be some. 656 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 4: Regression for them, But I think this is a big 657 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 4: spot as well for the Lions, and they have the 658 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 4: Eagles next week, right, so, to your point, could be 659 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 4: a trap game. 660 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 3: Also could be a game where they say, hey, we just. 661 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 4: Need to get out of here, hopefully rest some people 662 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter. Like the Lions, I mean, it 663 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 4: is pretty amazing. They've won twelve straight games straight up 664 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 4: and against the spread off for loss. That's that's an 665 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 4: amazing stat. They're also number four in DVOWA. The Commanders 666 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 4: are sixteenth and m Commanders are twenty second on defense 667 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 4: by dv Oway. The Lions are also the third best defense. 668 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 4: So I just don't I think the Lions role this 669 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 4: to me is a great teaser leg whether or not 670 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 4: you're like the Lions seven and a half, it is 671 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 4: interesting why it's coming down. I would imagine potentially it's 672 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 4: some offensive line, whether Peninsul is playing. I did just 673 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 4: ask a bookmaker before he came on, and he didn't 674 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 4: they hadn't seen sharp acts. You didn't know exactly why 675 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 4: it was dropping potentially, because I saw that too, was 676 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 4: eight and a half before it even earlier today or yesterday. 677 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 2: So both tackles for the Lions miss Wednesday's practice. Both 678 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: were back light practice Penasul tailor Decker. Obviously that would 679 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 2: be significant. This is outdoors, and if we're looking for 680 00:32:53,520 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 2: trap spots. Next week, Detroit versus the philip Alfia Eagles 681 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 2: on Sunday Night Football, I'm sure that's a game they 682 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 2: have circled on the calendar. Two of the better teams 683 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 2: in the NFC. Easy to overlook a dreadful Washington team. 684 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm hitting Alliance. I'm kind of leaning 685 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 2: with you, but I don't know that Detroit result against 686 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 2: the Vikings was alarming. Let me ask you, uh, do 687 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 2: you see you said sharp action? For any bookmakers, what 688 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 2: game has seen the sharpest actions so far? And can 689 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 2: I guess if it's the Pittsburgh Steelers. 690 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 4: I don't think I had heard. Uh No, okay, I 691 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 4: got a fine, I got too many? Got too many? 692 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 2: Might be Arizona. Actually, Arizona seems to be coming down. 693 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 2: It's weird all these MVP candidates. Every week that everybody's 694 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 2: hyped Baker Mayfield, Daniel Jones, they end up shitting the 695 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 2: bed totally. And this week Sam Darnold is the MVP leader. 696 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 2: He is at the top of everybody's quarterback list. It 697 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 2: feels like a dangerous spot against Arizona, which is getting healthier. 698 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is one again I think you're going 699 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 4: to see. So I like to talk to the odds 700 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 4: makers and get kind of that that sharp action, which 701 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 4: to me is like the next level that hopefully eventually 702 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 4: we'll get to in sports betting content, because I've never 703 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,959 Speaker 4: quite understood why people would rather just listen to personality 704 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 4: X give out picks which are just flipping a coin 705 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 4: versus like the book makers telling somebody, Hey, the people 706 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 4: who actually win, they bet this team this number, right. 707 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 3: But that's for a different time. 708 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 4: But there was early depending on the book, there was 709 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 4: actually early sharp action on the Seahawks at six to 710 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 4: push this to six and a half At some books. 711 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 4: I do think some of that also seeing whether it's 712 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 4: going to be Kyler Murray or Jacoby Brissett. Not a 713 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 4: lot of movement based off of, you know, Jacoby Brissett 714 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 4: now being the starter. This is another one where I 715 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 4: kind of like the Seahawks even though they're going to 716 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 4: be the public side, even though it's only six and 717 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 4: a half. And I'll answer your other question first, just 718 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 4: because I'm looking at it now. So I mentioned the Bills, Seahawks, 719 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 4: Panthers took some at four and a half and five, 720 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 4: so Detroit took their line actually opened the look ahead 721 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 4: was minus three, went up to seven and a half 722 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 4: after the Jade and Daniels injury. Sharps took it at 723 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 4: one book at seven and a half and eight and 724 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 4: eight and a half to push that up now has 725 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 4: come back down a little bit. The Bucks minus two 726 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 4: and a half against the Patriots, that has also had 727 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 4: some sharp action, but we haven't seen that line push 728 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 4: up yet to three. And then the Ravens Vikings on 729 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 4: that total, there was some sharp action, had some lower 730 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 4: numbers forty seven, forty seven and a half that that 731 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 4: total has. 732 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 3: Gone up as well. 733 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 4: Vikings seven and one to the over, the Ravens six 734 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 4: and two to the over, So a couple of teams 735 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 4: that tend to play shootouts, and Sharps felt that that 736 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 4: early number was a little low. I think just get 737 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 4: into the Seahawks minus six and a half. The Cardinals 738 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 4: have definitely been playing better, which of Kobe Brissett, but 739 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 4: I think also it's tough to factor in, you know, 740 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 4: this week with the trade deadline. Another game. I kind 741 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 4: of likes the Eagles plus two and a half. Both 742 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 4: that and as a teaser leg like, we haven't we 743 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 4: haven't seen these teams with their new additions yet. And 744 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 4: I think Rashid Shaheed with that offense that already has JSN, 745 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 4: that already has Tory Horton, that's already playing that well 746 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 4: with Sam Darnold, my former Viking great quarterback for most 747 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 4: of the season, they look great. 748 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 3: They're the top. 749 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 4: Team by DVOA. They are number one, and the Cardinals 750 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 4: defense is only twenty thirds. So I think Buddha Baker 751 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 4: is big whether or not he plays as well. But 752 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 4: to me, the Seahawks right now are just a tough 753 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,720 Speaker 4: team to bet against, definitely getting less than a touchdown. 754 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 4: They I think there's still potentially a little undervalued in 755 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 4: the market just how well they're playing. 756 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 2: All right, Ben Fokes Yahoo Sports. Great stuff, But man, 757 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the podcast. I know he puts 758 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 2: out great stuff on social media. You got to follow him, guys, 759 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,399 Speaker 2: and Ben. 760 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 3: Good to meet you. 761 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 2: Cora, congrats on all your success, buddy. 762 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:10,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks anytime.