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Speaker 1: Hey this Sanny and Samantha and welcome to Steph. I

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Speaker 1: never told you a protection of I Heart Radio. So

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Speaker 1: in our continuing look at abortion, what's going on with it,

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Speaker 1: what has been going on with it, and recognizing people

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Speaker 1: who have been doing amazing things in this world for

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Speaker 1: we don't want to forget those people. So we're bringing

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Speaker 1: back some classics focusing on the work people have done

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Speaker 1: around the world. Uh. And in in light of that,

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Speaker 1: we want to run this classic we did. It was

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Speaker 1: of ground and it was about women's rights in Poland. Uh,

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Speaker 1: so please enjoy. Hey this Sanny and Samantha and welcome

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Speaker 1: to stuff I've never told your production of I Hire Radio.

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Speaker 1: And then you have a question for you for today's

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Speaker 1: on Monday Mini. Do you remember the first protest you

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Speaker 1: I protested. I was in seventh grade two thousand two

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Speaker 1: seventh grade. Wow, Yeah, I protested against I believe it

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Speaker 1: was Afghanistan, like the violence in the Middle East and

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Speaker 1: like the war they were all talking about like, oh,

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Speaker 1: maybe Afghanistan. And I was in my small town de Laonaga,

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Speaker 1: the protest. Of course you were, yes. And then I

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Speaker 1: was a thing that was happening, but anyway got down. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's fair. That's fair. So I think the first

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Speaker 1: especially with the acquittal. And I remember I was really

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Speaker 1: states that we cannot be a part of anything that

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Speaker 1: looks like it's trying to overthrow the government, which, by

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Speaker 1: because that was a blatant part of our state contract

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Speaker 1: also goes with like the unionization and all of that

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Speaker 1: protests as a women's strike movement has taken back the

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Speaker 1: possibility of the ultial conservative administration's proposal of the near

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Speaker 1: up that home. Just as a reminder. Though there are

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Speaker 1: So that's something to think on too. And the Polish

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Speaker 1: Constitution Tribunal justified its ruling which framed it as quote

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Speaker 1: Right now, five or the fifteen judges at the court

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