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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and today on the show, I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: Lee Ellis of Seek one to discuss exactly how he

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Speaker 1: handles some of the toughest deer hunting scenarios in the

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Speaker 1: white tail woods. All right, welcome to the Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light. Today we

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Speaker 1: are continuing are what would You Do series, wrapping it

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Speaker 1: up actually, and as you know if he's listened to

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Speaker 1: the three previous what we do here is we run

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Speaker 1: our guests through a bunch of different hypothetical hunting scenarios.

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Speaker 1: And this year I've I've taken a number of questions

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Speaker 1: you've heard a few of these over and over and

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Speaker 1: over again. And I did that on purpose because I

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Speaker 1: think it's very interesting and and and kind of enlightening

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Speaker 1: to see how each one of these very successful hunters

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Speaker 1: handles the same kind of situation and they each do

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Speaker 1: it in a different way that I think is kind

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Speaker 1: all of us that there's not just one way to

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Speaker 1: do this that just because so and so from Iowa

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Speaker 1: can't do it in a completely different way in Michigan

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Speaker 1: or Georgia or Mississippi or Pennsylvania, whatever it is. I

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Speaker 1: think we can learn something from all of these people

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Speaker 1: and then figure out what works in our neck of

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Speaker 1: the woods with our style. And today's guest is a

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Speaker 1: perfect example of this kind of person who's got a

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Speaker 1: very unique kind of niche, but which I think we

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Speaker 1: can learn from and apply to our places. So this

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Speaker 1: is Lee Ellis today. Lee Ellis is one of the

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Speaker 1: founders of seek one Productions, just a super entertaining, very

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Speaker 1: successful UH deer hunting YouTube channel, social media, full package

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Speaker 1: of media offerings, and they focus on urban deer hunting.

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Speaker 1: So the kind of thing that I did last year

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Speaker 1: with Taylor Chamberlain, you know, Lee is doing this to

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Speaker 1: all sorts of different places. They're spreading out and proving

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Speaker 1: So today we're getting that d i y perspective from

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Speaker 1: someone who knocks on doors, who gets permission to chase deer,

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Speaker 1: and kind of funky, different kinds of places, and it's

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Speaker 1: suppose only in this style of hunting. I recommend you

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Speaker 1: listen to our first podcast with him, episode two thirty nine.

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Speaker 1: We kind of cover the basics and the foundation of

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Speaker 1: how Lee hunts, why he does this, the the basic

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Speaker 1: kind of stick. This is like their style of hunting.

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Speaker 1: But today we're gonna get into the specifics of unique

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Speaker 1: scenarios and situations and uh, you know, just like we

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Speaker 1: do on the Gauntlet, Lee's got some good ideas, some

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Speaker 1: interesting stories, and uh, I really enjoyed this one. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's a great way to wrap up our

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Speaker 1: August and then jump into the season. I mean, for

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Speaker 1: a lot of us, September means so I'm very very excited.

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Speaker 1: I want to give you guys one heads up some

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Speaker 1: house cleaning before we get into it. I've been telling

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Speaker 1: you guys about my new gear recommendations page on the

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Speaker 1: Meat Eater store. You've heard me say it before, I'll

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Speaker 1: say it again. You go to store dot the meat

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Speaker 1: eater dot com slash mark, and you're to see my

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Speaker 1: top recommendations as far as what we offer over on

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Speaker 1: the Mediator store, from First Life, from f HF, from

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Speaker 1: all the different brands and manufacturers that we now carry.

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Speaker 1: So that's that my little pitch for the day, pre

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Speaker 1: sweet deal for those of you in the market. I

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Speaker 1: hope you appreciate it. If you're not in the market, no, biggie,

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Speaker 1: ignore me. Stick around for a great chat with Lee.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna enjoy this one, and I appreciate you. Let's

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Speaker 1: get into it here with me now on the Wire

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Speaker 1: Lee Ellis, Lee, welcome to the show Man. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me, glad to be here. We've got crazy schedules

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Speaker 1: But as as you know, Lee, we're in the middle

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Speaker 1: had fifteen spots to hunt one particular dear before um so.

429
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 1: But sometimes that's not the case. Sometimes I've only got

430
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: two or three spots that I've got to hunt end dear,

431
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,479
Speaker 1: and I'm seeing him on those cameras. Um So, in

432
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: that scenario, he's been gone for seven days, Like seriously,

433
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: even if it's opening day, I'm not hunting. He hadn't

434
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: been in there. I'm not hunting. I'm door knocking, getting

435
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: more cameras out, getting more eyes in the woods, and

436
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: trying to relocate kind of where he went. So I'm

437
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: kind of starting to cast a small net, you know,

438
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: going a quarter mile or less, um and then you know,

439
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: kind of branching out from there. So I kind of

440
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: just slowly kind of worked my way out until I

441
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: happened to stumble upon kind of where he's gone. But

442
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: the crazy part is, and this is extremely common and

443
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: these areas, is that the week of the season, it

444
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: just seems like these dear no and they change their pattern.

445
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: And I've I've had dear go three or four miles

446
00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:00,160
Speaker 1: and completely relocate from their summer area right at at

447
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: beginning time for him of the season. And it's like

448
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 1: you almost have to get just extremely lucky too, you know,

449
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: refined that deer. So a lot of times, you know,

450
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: if a deer goes missing, like we try our best

451
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: to relocate them, but a lot of times we don't.

452
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: And sometimes they'll return later in the year, um and

453
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: we have a chance to hunt him then, but sometimes

454
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: we It's kind of one of those things where it's like, yeah,

455
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: we have this deer in the summer, but when he

456
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: breaks for the season, like, for the life of me,

457
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: I have no idea where he goes. M how much

458
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: time would you give a buck like that, Like how

459
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: long would you invest in trying to rEFInd before you

460
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: pull the plug? Is it? I mean, I'm sure it's

461
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: dependent on the deer and stuff. Like that. But what's

462
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: your typical amount of effort you'll put in until you

463
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 1: finally decide and it's just not it's not gonna happen. Well,

464
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: if it's a big enough dear, it doesn't ever end.

465
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: Uh you know, it's it's uh well obviously, I mean,

466
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, we're trying to find something else to hunt.

467
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: But if it's a big enough dear, I'll will spend

468
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: the whole year, uh you know, continue to get new

469
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: spots and just kind of hope, hope that we stumble

470
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: upon them. Um, so I would, I would kind of

471
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: say that it's almost never ending. Okay, So so what

472
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: about this? Then let's let's take a different approach. Let's

473
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: say the buck is showing up, and how about we'll

474
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: go back to your northern buck example. You've zeroed in

475
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: on him. You put so much time and energy into

476
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: this situation, and he's daylighting like he's a buck that's

477
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 1: showing up on your cameras. It's early October, he's in daylight.

478
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: The couple of previous days, you head in for a hunt,

479
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: you feel good about it, You get in their access

480
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: feels great, everything feels great. No show doesn't show up

481
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: and you gotta go home, said, you head home, you

482
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,479
Speaker 1: give opportunity now, like the following weekend maybe to make

483
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: the trip again, and lo and behold, you're getting a

484
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: couple of days of daily pictures again leading up to

485
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: your next trip. Conditions are good. You're heading for the

486
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: second hunt of the year, feeling great again. No show,

487
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: this happens a third time. You stick around. You hunt

488
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: again that next day because still the wind is good,

489
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: you feel confident about your access. You've now had three

490
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: hunts after this buck, all of them following up daylight

491
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: trail camera pictures. But he's not shown up any one

492
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: of those times. You go in. What do you do

493
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: in that scenario? Will you continue on your current path

494
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 1: with the same access, the same ideas you've had, and

495
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: just hope that you know it's gonna turn out, or

496
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: at what point do you pull the plug and say

497
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: he's onto me, I'm I need to do something different. Uh.

498
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: That's a really good question, and kind of like I

499
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: said earlier, these dear, I don't I think we don't

500
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 1: give him enough credit sometimes for how good they are

501
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: at patterning you. And I cannot tell you how many

502
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: times that happens to us. It happens every year. You

503
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: know that we get a here on camera, he's consistent.

504
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: All right, we're green lighting to go hunt him. We

505
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: go sit nothing, you know, sit again, nothing, and it's

506
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: like the days that we pull out, he's daylighting again.

507
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: Go back in there. And even even if you think

508
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: you're doing everything perfect, like you do everything to the

509
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: best of your ability, and he's still not showing he's

510
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: onto in my opinion, Um, and that's where if that

511
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: happens two or three times, that is where I'm going

512
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: to take a step back and be like, all right,

513
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: I gotta rethink what I'm doing here of how I'm

514
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: accessing access to these places is almost as important as anything.

515
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: Um I hunted a d or here's here's kind of

516
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: an example for you. And this was this was probably

517
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: four or five years ago. And like we're always still

518
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: learning every single year, we're learning new things. Uh, we

519
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: definitely don't have it figured out. Like we don't have

520
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: it all figured out. There are things to learn every year,

521
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: and you need to be a sponge to try and

522
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: absorb any lessons to be learned from every hunt, every situation.

523
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: Question I had a deer. This was probably I think

524
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: four years ago and that exact scenario that deer is

525
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: in there. He loved this area, but every time I

526
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: was in there, he was never there, never be found.

527
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: And I hunted fifty times in a in a seat

528
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: in one season. I sat fifty sits, parking my truck

529
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: in the same parking spot and accessing the woods the

530
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: same way. And every single time I'd go to sit,

531
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: I would not see that dear and every time and

532
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: be gone. He'd come through like it was nothing, and

533
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: he was he was so confident and when I was

534
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: there and when I wasn't, Like he loved that area,

535
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: but he was so confident and he knew my my

536
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: pattern and what I was doing that when he knew

537
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't there, he was like, you know, daylight, middle

538
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: of the day, there all the time. Uh. And so

539
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: I've I've sat fifty times. And at the end of

540
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: the season, I was like, or actually what happened was

541
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: later in the year, I pulled my truck up to

542
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: my parking spot. I hadn't even gotten out of the car,

543
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: and I heard a dear blow like you know, way

544
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: in the woods, way down deep into this ravine and stuff,

545
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, sign of a bit, they figured out

546
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: where I'm parking, and so that's when it kind of

547
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: clicked in my head. I was like, they've they've figured

548
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: me out. And so this was late in the year January.

549
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: I'd gone this whole season accessing and parking the same spot,

550
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: and I had changed my trees, like I had changed

551
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: the tree. I had my stand in like three or

552
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: four times in this area, thinking, oh, you know, they

553
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: pegged me in that tree, or I'm gonna make my

554
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: access shorter. And so instead of going, you know, a

555
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: hundred yards in the woods, I'm gonna go forty yards

556
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: into the woods, just like changing things up, you know.

557
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: But what it was was where I was parking and

558
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: walking in like they had it figured out. So I

559
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: sat fifty times accessing and parking from that same spot.

560
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: I let my I let the area layoff, let my

561
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: cameras roll in the there. He came back in there,

562
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: he settled in there, got comfortable. I asked the landowner

563
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: if I could access from the opposite side of the

564
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: property just one time, and I killed a deer the

565
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: first set changing. And it was because he I actually

566
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: used what he had figured out about me. I had

567
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: is that against him because he was like, if that

568
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: truck doesn't pull up in that spot, we're good to go.

569
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: And that day, that truck didn't pull up in that spot,

570
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: and he got up like he was good to go,

571
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 1: and that's when I killed him. So where was he?

572
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: Did you see where he betted or where he came from?

573
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: Did you do you kind of understand how he had

574
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: you pegged? Once he saw what he actually did. He

575
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: was betting literally right next to where my truck would park.

576
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: So when I was pulling my truck in, that's where

577
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: he was. He was he was He knew it immediately

578
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: and then and then would leave. There was no second guessing.

579
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: When I was in there. As soon as the truck

580
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: was there, he was twenty yards from the truck boom gone.

581
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: Is that a thing you have you ever seen anything

582
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 1: like that before? Where these big old deer actually figure

583
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: out that betting closer to human access is safer from

584
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: like a surveillance standpoint. Is that a thing you've seen before? Absolutely,

585
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: which which makes them And that's that's kind of what's

586
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: Tricky's like, Uh, this so this deer up north, Uh,

587
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: this real big one I'm talking about, he will stroll

588
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: through people's yards no problem. And seeing the videos and

589
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: pictures and stuff, like, you're like, where's the challenge in

590
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: hunting that deer. But when I went up there and

591
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: started door knocking all of the large blocks of woods,

592
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: like the obvious blocks of woods to go door knock,

593
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: con every single one of them has hunters, and that

594
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: deer is purposely avoiding those large blocks of woods. Like

595
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: instead of taking a creek through all these woods to

596
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: get from one block of woods to the other, he'll

597
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: roll through people's yards to get from point A to

598
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: point B because he's like, I know, I can't be

599
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: messed with here. And he's experienced pressure. He actually got

600
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: shot last year by a hunter and it didn't kill him.

601
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: They hit him in no man's land, um, And so

602
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: I know he's experienced all this this hunting pressure in

603
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: these places and he's very clearly avoiding them. So yeah,

604
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: I mean, but to kind of really answer your question, yeah, absolutely,

605
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: Like these dear uh, they bed where they can know

606
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: that the area they're gonna get up, get up and

607
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: go spend time in, Uh, they know that it's not

608
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: been tampered with, So they will they will position themselves

609
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: in places where they're able to kind of be aware

610
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: of what's happening in there. All right, Well, let's say

611
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: you're up north, You're in one of these spots, You're

612
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: up in your tree, and here he comes. He pops

613
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: out of a little piece of brush on the edge

614
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: of the yard or something. You had your access just right,

615
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: and he's at sixty five yards heading your direction. Walk

616
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: me through through what is going on in your head,

617
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: Like specifically, do you say anything to yourself? Do you

618
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: have a mantra? Do you what? When do you reach

619
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: for your bow? How are you going to be thinking

620
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: about these next ten seconds when the biggest buck of

621
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: your life is rolling in You even invested so much

622
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: time and energy into There's gotta be pressure. There's gotta

623
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: be stress. How do you manage that? What do you do?

624
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: So early on in my hunting career was pretty brutal

625
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: on me, uh, to the point where like multiple times

626
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: I just wanted to just hang it up and quit

627
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: because I was experiencing like heartache after heartache because you know,

628
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: when I was sixteen and stumbled upon Drew and I

629
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: stumbled upon the Atlanta thing. Uh, you know, we have

630
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: real big deer to hunt and so it's like, you know,

631
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: I didn't really grow up on a hunting family. So

632
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: if it weren't for stumbling onto the door knocking thing,

633
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: never would have fallen in love with hunting. But that

634
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: being said, I didn't have someone teaching me from day one.

635
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: You know, hey, wait for the deer to do this

636
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: or this or that. And so I was making mistakes.

637
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: You know, I can shoot my bow and hit hit

638
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: a you know, the target as good as good as

639
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: you want, but when it's a deer's in front of you,

640
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: it's a total different scenario. You gotta read the deer's

641
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: body language, you gotta read what angle he's at. You know,

642
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: there's so much that goes into making a well placed shot,

643
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 1: an effective kill shot on an animal. Um, I wasn't

644
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: really prepared for that. And so I was you know,

645
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: hitting deer uh, and you know, hit a deer in

646
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: the shoulder or in no man's lander or a quarter

647
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: two or he's like you know, alert and ducks, and

648
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: just I wasn't. I also like I had a hard time.

649
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: I wasn't hugging the shoulder. I would kind of pay

650
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: nick and I would be like kind of back off

651
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: the shoulder. A bit, and uh, you know, I end

652
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: up hitting dear like in the liver and stuff like that,

653
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: and just uh, it made for some really tragic, like

654
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: heartbreaker stories on really nice bucks. It's not like, you know,

655
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: I messed up on a dough. Um, although that sucks,

656
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: it's not as as gut wrenching is if it's as

657
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: if it's a hundred fifteer. So like my early early on,

658
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: my career like was full of just mistakes, mistakes, mistakes,

659
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of it was due to

660
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: rushing the situation. Um, things just started happening so fast

661
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: and I couldn't control my head and things would rush,

662
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: and I'd rush into a shot that was not an

663
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: effective shot. And I should have been patient and I

664
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: should have waited. So there's kind of a combination of things.

665
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: Now you have to be paid patient and take the

666
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: right shot, but you also have to be aggressive when

667
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: that shot opportunity happens. You can't hesitate. Um, when I

668
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: see that, Dear, I'm trying to slow everything down as

669
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: as best as I possibly can. I'm trying to slow

670
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: everything down in my head. Uh, And that's really all

671
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm focusing on, is slowing things down, slowing things down.

672
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: Focus on the focus on killing deer. Focus on killing deer.

673
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: Be patient, but slow it down, Slow it down, because

674
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: I think a lot of mistakes are made when people

675
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: just rushed the moment because they're jacked up. So like,

676
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: I try to force myself to slow down. Um. But

677
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: one of the biggest things that I've done that has

678
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: helped me just become better at just killing deer is, uh,

679
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: shooting a ton of doze. We've got a pile of

680
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: does here, and when you shoot ten does a year,

681
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: you get to feeling that confidence that you're just just

682
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: feel deadly. And so I've kind of got that confidence

683
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: with me now where it's like if a deer is

684
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: sixty yards and then he's in my mind, I have

685
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: that confidence like he's dead. And that comes from shooting

686
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: a lot of deer, shooting does. Um. It's just kind

687
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: of that confidence that you have, like that you kind

688
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: of carry with you. So I like, if I had

689
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: to give any advice to someone kind of getting into

690
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: this or or starting into bow hunting, is like, don't

691
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: jump right into it and try to kill a hundred

692
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: fifty deer, Like go on a go on a place

693
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: where you know, you can shoot a dough you know,

694
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: kind of go through and find find the motions that

695
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: work for you, on on what calms you down, and

696
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: kind of the system you have that helps you put,

697
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: you know, an efficient shot on a deer so that

698
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: you're kind of ready for when that moment happens, because

699
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: it's it's impossible to replicate that just adrenaline dump when

700
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,959
Speaker 1: you lay eyes on a deer you're after. Yeah, that's true.

701
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: But my big thing is I'm just I'm just trying

702
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: to slow things down. Focus on really just slowing it down.

703
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: Is there any trick or I mean, like I guess

704
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: the question that I'm still wondering about it is like

705
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: how do you actually slow it down? Because like, like

706
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: I intellectually know I need to slow it down the moment,

707
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: but it's a lot harder to know I need to

708
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: slow it down versus like figuring out a way to

709
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: hit the brakes and actually make my crazy mind do

710
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: that in that high pressure situation. Like, do you have

711
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: any thing that you always do to force the slowing?

712
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: Not really? Um, I mean I've remembered several times where

713
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: like I've had a deer in range and he was

714
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: like facing me for a long time, and I remember

715
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: in my head, I'm like, I've got to pretend like

716
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: this isn't happening, Like I've got to put myself somewhere else,

717
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: like I'm on the beach, I'm doing something like I'm

718
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: having a beer. I'm not you know, I'm I'm doing

719
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: anything I can to be like I'm not here right now.

720
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if it really works or not. I

721
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: don't think it does. But um, the only thing I'm

722
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: really doing when you know, I see a deer like that,

723
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: is I'm trying to I'm I'm telling myself in my

724
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: head be patient, Like be patient, be patient, be patient,

725
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: but be ready. It's like, I'm ready to kill that

726
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: deer at any second, but be patient, be patient, like

727
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: wait for the right shot. And you know, don't. I'm

728
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm not going to force a shot and take a

729
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: marginal hit on an animal. Um, you know, I would

730
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: rather take the chance of I'm gonna get back on

731
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: that deer at another time then you know, put a

732
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: really bad hit on a deer. Ah. So I'm I'm

733
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: pretty much just telling myself be patient in my head. Yeah, Well,

734
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: I hate to do this to you. But I'm gonna

735
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna force you to consider tragedy again, okay, because

736
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: I want to know what you would do. And this

737
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: is a situation that actually happened to me last Yearly.

738
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: I went on my first urban deer hunt last year,

739
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: and was that with Taylor? Yeah? Yeah, it went with Taylor,

740
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: and I got a shot at a deer and the

741
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: hit looked good in the moment um, but the blood

742
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: trail wasn't as the arrow, and the blood trail was

743
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: not as good as I was hoping it would be.

744
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: It did not match what I thought I saw in

745
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: my mind's eye. So it's getting worse and worse and worse.

746
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: And we follow that blood trail all the way to

747
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: a property line, and I have to go and find

748
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: the property owners and get permission. So I go to

749
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: the door, knock on the door, and the landowner is

750
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: like wigging out, like no way, I'm calling the cops

751
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: on you. There's no way you can track the here.

752
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: What do you do in this scenario like that where

753
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: you have hit a deer, it's crossed the line and

754
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: the landowner won't give you permission. Whether it be like

755
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: just freaking out like that or I've be curious what

756
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: they do. What you would do in my situation where

757
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: the cops were called and came out, how would you

758
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: handle that. I'm really glad that your first urban experience

759
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: the cops are called experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah, full experience. Um. So,

760
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: I've actually never had a situation where a homeowner has

761
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: refused or landners refused to let me retrieve a dear.

762
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: I assume the reason that that that they are not

763
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: wanting you to track is because they're anti hunting. Maybe

764
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: they like the deer um, they have a heart for

765
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: the deer, and so I'm trying to, you know, play

766
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: into that of whether or not they agree with hunting.

767
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: What's done, what's happened, has happened. They can't change that

768
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: I've shot this dear. The situation we have is that

769
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: you either let me retrieved this deer, or the deer

770
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: can be put to use and we can use the

771
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: meat and it and all of the deer's used, or

772
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: you can have the situation where that deer rots and

773
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: goes to a complete and total waste and having that

774
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: talk track that conversation, Like, I've never had issues retrieving

775
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: deer because even if they're adamantly opposed to it. Uh,

776
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: they still don't want the deer to completely rot and

777
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 1: go to waste. That being said, if someone was still

778
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 1: just extremely emotional about it, I'd let him call the cops.

779
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: I would. I would probably encourage them McCaul a, cops, um,

780
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, and then that way I could be like, look,

781
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: you could have a conversation with the cops. I'm sure

782
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: that the cop would be like, look, you know, I

783
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: could probably call that person down and be like, you know,

784
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: we are where we are, the deer's back there, you know,

785
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: can we did? He would. He would probably try to

786
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: encourage the lanterner to be like, let's not let this

787
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: deer go to rot. Let's get out of here. Get

788
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: it out of here, and you know, we can kind

789
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: of address the hunting issue later. But I would tell

790
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: him to call the cops. I deal with the cops

791
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: a lot, so so in my case, the cops were

792
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: really cool. Um, but the landowners still didn't want us

793
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: around there. But the situation was different than what you described,

794
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: was that we didn't know if the deer was dead

795
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 1: in there, and it ended up being that the blood

796
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: trail actually hugged the line and we were able to

797
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: pick up blood on another neighbor's property right off the edge,

798
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: and that lander did give us permission, but the trail

799
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: dried up after that and we never recovered the deer.

800
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: So that was that's that is one of the toughest

801
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: parts of There's just there's so many different things that

802
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: are tough about suburban hunting. One is like tight property lines.

803
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: You know, you're having to talk to everyone involved. Two

804
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: is you know, you're just dealing with a lot of

805
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: people and you just getting a lot of mixed opinions

806
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: about what you're doing, whether they're against it or for it.

807
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: And you know, I would much rather, uh have a

808
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: few hundred acres or a thousand acres where you didn't

809
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: have to worry about that. But um, you know, this

810
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: was kind of a the urban game is kind of

811
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: the cards we were dealt. We're making the most of it,

812
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: and it's definitely something I've fallen in love with. Even

813
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: though there are a significant amount of stresses to come

814
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: along with it. You certainly made the most of it. Definitely,

815
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 1: it's not for everyone, Like I I totally get that. Um,

816
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, some people don't want to deal with with

817
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: the reason they're going hunting is to get away from people,

818
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: not to deal with more of them. So, uh, you know,

819
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: I definitely get that. Some people are like, look, the

820
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: urban thing not my deal, And I don't blame them

821
00:46:55,640 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 1: at all. It's a it's it takes us us actual

822
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: kind of hunter. Um, you know, they can tolerate and

823
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: kind of deal with that stuff. And and again, I

824
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: think it goes back to you know, everyone's hunting means

825
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: a lot of things to different people. And if you're

826
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: doing it to get lost on some big woods where

827
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: you're not having to deal with people, then and that's

828
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: your thing, like, go for it. But for me, I

829
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: grew up in a city and for me to get

830
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: lost on ten acres is the next best thing where

831
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm getting away from people. So it's uh yeah, it's

832
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: definitely different. It's not for everybody. I totally get that,

833
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm I'm getting a lot of changing perspectives

834
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: on it too, because, um, you know, we just went

835
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: to Hawaii and did a lot of spot and stock stuff.

836
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: We just got back from Utah and did some scouting

837
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: for like mule do you're out there. I'm going to

838
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: Kansas this year. I hunted North Dakota last year, which is,

839
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, the middle of nowhere, and uh, I definitely

840
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: get where if you know, I grew up hunting, some

841
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: of those are big areas where I would kind of

842
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: be like, you know, not wanting to get into the

843
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 1: urban game. Yeah, it's a different whole, different ball of wax.

844
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: That's ah, that's for certain. Do you think you'll do

845
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: it again? You know, I kind of fall into the

846
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: camp of the person you describe, which is I like

847
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: hunting because I like to get away from people. So

848
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: I actually grew up like I learned a bow hunt

849
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: in a semi urban scenario, Like I had three acres

850
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: behind my parents house and that's where I first bowhunted,

851
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: And the first deer I ever killed was on those

852
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: three acres after a couple and their dog came walking

853
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: past me ten yards in front of my blind. It's

854
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: like I did that. I have some experience, and I

855
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: see the redeeming qualities. But if I have a non

856
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: urban opportunity, which I currently do, I prefer that over

857
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: that situation just because of the stresses of people, and

858
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: I don't always like being around people, I guess. So yeah,

859
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: there's a lot of added stress to it, but so

860
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. It's also still super supporting it. Yeah, I

861
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: can see the appeal. I'm not ruling out going back.

862
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 1: It's definitely I have, like I have that personality trait

863
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: we're if I don't quite get it figured out that

864
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: first time, that kind of gnaws at me until I

865
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: can figure it out. So I still think that's a possibility,

866
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: but I can tell you it won't be this year.

867
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm taking at least this year off. I can breathe, regroup,

868
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: and then we'll readdress the situation. Here's another one I

869
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: got for it leave and this is this is one

870
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: that I ask a lot of people a question like

871
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: this because it's a scenario that I come up across

872
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: hunting in you know, various Midwestern places and stuff, and

873
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: I'm I'm wondering if it's different for you in an

874
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: urban situation than it would be for me on a

875
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: hundred acre farm in the Midwest. So here's the deal.

876
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 1: Let's say it's November and you are on the ground

877
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: scouting a spot. I don't know why you're scouting, but

878
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: let's say you just had to move into a new prop.

879
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: Maybe you just got to access on this property and

880
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: you're walking it for the first time. You get out

881
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: there and you find just a dynamite spot, like it's

882
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: a spot that screams big buck. It's a it's like

883
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: a funnel type location where stuff converges into a relatively

884
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: narrow area. There's good trails dumping into this spot. There's

885
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: dough betting up wind of it, and there's just ripped

886
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 1: up scrapes and rubs like all the things you dream about.

887
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: It's all here. It looks great, but there's a problem.

888
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: The problem is that there's not a good tree with

889
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: an easy range of this like perfect little convergence of

890
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: these trails in this little narrow spot. So you've got

891
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: two tree options. You've got one tree out and that

892
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: is at twenty yards from this spot where there's a

893
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: huge scrape and the three trails that all come together,

894
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: so you could be perfectly twenty yards from this spot.

895
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: The problem with the tree is that it is a

896
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 1: bean pole. It is super skinny, there's zero cover on it,

897
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: and there's one other trail that's on the down wind

898
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: side of that as well, and you know that there's

899
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: a chance that there could be deer coming down wind

900
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: of you. And it's not you know, you're still you're

901
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: downwind of the best of the best, but no cover

902
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: in the tree, and there's still a chance that someone

903
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: could get behind you. So that's one option. The second

904
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 1: option is a perfect tree. It's like a scrubby oak

905
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: tree with all sorts of branches coming out of it,

906
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: and there's still leaf cover and you could get up

907
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: in there and they'll never see you. And it's downwind

908
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: of all the trails, and there's a little bit of

909
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: water that's a water feature behind you, let's say, like

910
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: a pond or a creek or something, so you feel

911
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: very confident that nothing's gonna wind you. And know, by

912
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: the way, this is a high deer density area, so

913
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: there are a deer, a lot of deer moving around.

914
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: So my question for you, Lee is do you take

915
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: the easy shot tree that's close to the convergence but

916
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: has these risks, or do you say, I'd rather be

917
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: super safely downwind of everything and risk this dear being

918
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, forty four yards away instead of twenty. What

919
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: would you do in that case? Uh, that's a enough

920
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: brainer to me. I'm taking the treat it as further

921
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: away but more ideal and I guess you could sort

922
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: of like for me personally, I'm comfortable shooting to to

923
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, forty yards um. But for someone who's not,

924
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: I would still say use the tree that's far off

925
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: of the you know, the scrape and then in the

926
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: combining of trails and stuff, because you can almost treat

927
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: that your sits as like an observation set, so you

928
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: at least know that you're not going in there and

929
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: blowing stuff off up and busting stuff up and you know,

930
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: blowing deer out trying to get that perfect twenty yard shot.

931
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: Ease your way into it. I would start in that

932
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: tree that's further off, and if you sit there a

933
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: couple of times and you know, you do a couple

934
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: of observation sets even and you kind of learned like, okay,

935
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: these are where the deer coming from. I do think

936
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: I could get away with being in that beans or

937
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: that poultry. Um, then you could maybe make an adjustment there.

938
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: But I definitely would not barge in and uh, you know,

939
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: be making your presence super known and kind of be

940
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: risking blowing a bunch of deer out. I would rather

941
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: play it safe and kind of ease my way into it.

942
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: I also think that we use mock scrapes a lot,

943
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: So I would like to get in that tree. That's

944
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: a lot better. Your winds better, your access is better,

945
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: your cover is better. I'd throw in a mock scrape

946
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: twenty five yards from that tree and see if they

947
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: start to take to it, uh, and then you know,

948
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: kind of go from there. So interesting. You can also

949
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: call too, I mean you can rattle and potentially call

950
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: it you're in the shooting range. But I definitely And

951
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: that's again, that's just personally, that's my style. Like I

952
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: want to try and be as smart, and I'm almost

953
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 1: like I almost overthink every situation, uh, because I'm so

954
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: paranoid that these deer are going to be aware of

955
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: my presence. Is there ever a situation like that where

956
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: because of the proximity of other people, like specifically with wind.

957
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: One of the things I wondered about my urban hunt

958
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: was can I get away with more from a wind perspective,

959
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: because even if they're not used to people walking down

960
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: into the creek bottom, there's kids playing on the edge

961
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: of the yard fifty yards away, and the wind's got

962
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 1: to blow in there a lot, And can I get

963
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: away with the wind being a little bit more funky

964
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: than I would in other places, Like, would you like

965
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: take that same scenario, but let's adjust it just a

966
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: little bit and just say, like the big limiting factor

967
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: now is just like it's down the bottom and the

968
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: wind's gonna swirl. You think, like it's a steep little bottom.

969
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: There's two yards on either side of the creek, but

970
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: the deer are traveling down the creek bottom. Would you

971
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: risk a swirly whirly wind down there? Or do you

972
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: think like you can get away with that sometimes because

973
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: of the urban you know, stuff going on, So I think, yeah,

974
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: I mean there's a there's one of the big misconceptions

975
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: with urban deers that oh, you don't have to worry

976
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: about your wind. They smell people all the time. They're

977
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: used to it. Well, they're used to smelling people and

978
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 1: being and being able to identify where that that smell,

979
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: that source is coming from. So if they smell kids

980
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: playing in the yard and the kids are making noise

981
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 1: and moving around and they sit there and they're seeing them,

982
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: that's no issue to them. But when they're walking through

983
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:07,720
Speaker 1: the woods and where you know, times out of a hundred,

984
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: they're not smelling someone that they can't see, and all

985
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: of a sudden, they're walking through the woods, they get

986
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: a whiff of a human and they're like, where where

987
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: is he? Where is he can't find I can't see him.

988
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: That's when they're they're busting you. We get busted all time. Um.

989
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: I had a situation last year where I'm on a

990
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: doe hunt's late season and you know, I had this

991
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: deer catch my wind. She blew and kind of ran

992
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: back like I don't know, eighty yards and she was

993
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: standing like ten ft below this person's deck, like right

994
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: behind their garage door and stuff, looking in my direction,

995
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: like trying to find me. And I'm like, in my head,

996
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm like those people, like she has to smell humans

997
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: at that house. There's like there's no doubt they there.

998
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: Those people are in their yard. I'm sure they're on

999
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: their back deck. Like she's she has smelled people at

1000
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: that house, yet she's standing there. Are about to blow

1001
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 1: at me and blow out of here because she smelled

1002
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: a human. But the difference was she couldn't find where

1003
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: I was, and that wasn't normal. So she blew out

1004
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: of there and was standing next to a house that

1005
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: has probably covered in human scent, but you know, the

1006
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: human scent there she's able to identify with that house,

1007
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: but she's still wind checking me blow, you know, lifting

1008
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: her nose up in the air, wind checking me, uh

1009
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: from where I'm hiding in the woods, trying to find

1010
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 1: where I'm at because she identified that human smell where

1011
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: it's not supposed to be. So they're really good at

1012
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: you know. So my point is that, yes, your your

1013
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: wind and scent is still super super important in these

1014
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: urban areas. I do think think there are situations where

1015
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: dose are potentially more tolerant um if they're around people

1016
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: a ton, like a ton in parks or whatever. Um.

1017
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: You know, I've definitely had situations where like a dough

1018
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: has smelled me and is not cared as much as

1019
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: like a deer on you know, a thousand acres. But

1020
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: the vast majority uh, these deer are extremely keen to

1021
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: human scent where it's coming from. If they can't find it,

1022
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: they'll blow out of there. It's so interesting how they

1023
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: can there. There's this threshold that they figure out that

1024
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: they know it's when it's safe or not. And if

1025
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: you just seem to cross that line a little bit.

1026
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,439
Speaker 1: If it's not we're expected, it's uh, it's alarm bells

1027
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: running fast. And what I've noticed this is for anywhere

1028
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: that you're hunting. We're we're just hunting Hawaii, and we

1029
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: were hunting access dear, and we were hiking kind of

1030
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: in these mountain areas, uh spot and stalking these access

1031
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: to here, and there's hiking trails. Uh you know that

1032
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: people go on on occasion, and um, you know, if

1033
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: we were walking around and stuff, the person we're with

1034
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: who's hunted there, his entire life is trying to mimic

1035
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: a walker, a hiker. He's like parking by this bench

1036
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: his truck by this bench where people parked to picnic

1037
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: and making noise on purpose and acting like this is

1038
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: just you know, we're not a hunter. We're just here

1039
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: on a picnic. We do the same stuff back home,

1040
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: like you're trying to not act like a predator. So

1041
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: if I had landed a brand new hunting spot, then

1042
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: it's November and it's prime time, and I really don't

1043
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: want to go in there and blow the area out.

1044
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: I'll walk in there and purposely be having a conversation

1045
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: with myself. I'll be talking like making noise on purpose.

1046
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: And if I see a deer, I'm not making eye

1047
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: contact with him at all. I'm barely even looking at him,

1048
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: and they'll identify you as like, you know, oh, I've

1049
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: seen this before, as some person that's you know, strolled

1050
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: through the woods that is just exploring or whatever. They'll

1051
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: kind of associate you with like that's just what that was,

1052
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: as opposed to Okay, this person is acting like a predator.

1053
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: They're quiet, they're slipping around, They're paying a lot of

1054
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: attention to me. They're looking at me a lot. You know.

1055
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: I remember one of the biggest year I've ever killed.

1056
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: It was a two inch deear like six or seven

1057
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: years ago, same exact scenario. I got a new spot.

1058
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: The deer went missing, he ran to his rut area,

1059
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: couldn't find him, trying to really locate him. I get

1060
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: a spot. I walked down in this ravine and I'm

1061
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: talking to myself, and he pops up across the ravine

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01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,439
Speaker 1: like a hundred fifty two hundred yards away, and it's

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01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: unmistakably him. And instead of sitting there like trying to

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01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: get pictures or through my binos or anything like that,

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01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: or paying him any attention. I literally just looked away

1066
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: and walked back up the hill and back up there

1067
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: and just like pretended like I never saw him, paid

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01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: zero attention, And he didn't give He didn't care at

1069
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: all that he had just had that experience with me.

1070
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: He didn't associate it all with like danger. I think

1071
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: these deer no when you're like paying them attention. Yeah,

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01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: I think you can take that same kind of approach.

1073
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: You even apply it to you know, farm country or something.

1074
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: But in that case it's you know, the farmer that

1075
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: they're used to, or the dirt bikers or whatever it is.

1076
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: There's different ways you can blend in with what's normal.

1077
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: Just figure out what's the normal thing they're used to

1078
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: use that to your advantage. Alright, Lee, you've made it

1079
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: through the main gauntlet of the what would you do? Trials?

1080
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: But now we've got the rapid fire final round here.

1081
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give you a series of quick questions

1082
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: and I'm looking for a one word answer from you,

1083
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: just your gut thought right out the gate. All right,

1084
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: here we go. Number one, does the moon matter to

1085
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: dear movement? Yes? Or no? Yes? Would you take a

1086
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: fifty yards shot at a white tell with your bow

1087
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: yes or no? Yes? If you could only have one

1088
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: of these tools for the rest of your hunt, which

1089
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: would it be rattling anglers or grunt to rattling antlers,

1090
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: expandable or fixed blade broadheads? Oh um, I'm undecided currently?

1091
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: Oh wow? All right? Should you stop a buck that's

1092
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: moving with some kind of sound before shooting with your bow? Yes?

1093
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: Or no? Profitably? Now all right, here's the last one.

1094
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: You can you can give more than a one word answer,

1095
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: or you should give more than a one word answer

1096
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: on this last one. Let's say that I rule the

1097
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: world and I'm going to take away your hunting privileges

1098
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: for the rest of your lifely unless unless you can

1099
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: kill a five year old buck this year, but you

1100
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: only get one day to do it. You get one

1101
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: day to hunt. You can pick any location in any place,

1102
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: in any kind of stand site you want. Tell me

1103
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: the date on the calendar you would choose for this hunt,

1104
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: and describe for me like your perfect scenario for this

1105
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: very high pressure, high stakes hunt. You're gonna tell you location.

1106
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't need to tell me the specific location,

1107
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: but like I would do this state this kind of

1108
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: spot you know on this date, would you know, whatever

1109
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: date you think would give your best chance. I would

1110
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: go November four, and I would have to go with

1111
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: my bread and butter in Atlanta. Uh, and I would

1112
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: be in hardwoods somewhere around scrapes, scrapes and hard and

1113
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: it would this be like a big chunk of timber

1114
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: that you happen to have, or would it be like

1115
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: a tiny, little focused piece of timber that happens to

1116
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: be just the hot spot? Like, give me a little

1117
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: more detail on what that like ideal scenario would be.

1118
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: It is is Uh, it's it's probably five acres of

1119
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: hardwoods and it funnels out of a much larger, you know,

1120
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: several hundred acre piece of property that cannot be hunted,

1121
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: and they kind of funnel out of that area and

1122
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: kind of funnel into my little five acre ridge. It's

1123
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:24,439
Speaker 1: like a pinch. So I like areas that pinched her

1124
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: a lot, and this little spot I've got. You know,

1125
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: there's hundreds of wide open acres and they all funnel

1126
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: this little creek in this hardwood ridge into this little

1127
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: area and it puts them, you know, fifty to sixty

1128
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: yards from me coming from It just cuts off a

1129
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: lot of trails they can take. And I'm always looking

1130
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: for really good funnels, So I would say a good

1131
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:57,919
Speaker 1: hardwood funnel November four with scrapes around. That sounds really good.

1132
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 1: I like the sounds of it. I feel like I

1133
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: feel good about your chances. Lee. Um, what before I

1134
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: let you go? What? What should people be expecting to

1135
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: see from you guys this year? Where can they follow

1136
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: your content this fall? Um? Anything you want to plug,

1137
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: please let our folks know. Um. Yeah, I mean our

1138
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: channel is uh seek one on YouTube. Um. We are

1139
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: going to be getting content out really quick this year.

1140
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: We're traveling to a lot of new places, places we

1141
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: haven't been. Um, we're branching out. We're sticking to our

1142
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: bread and butter, which is the urban game, the door

1143
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: knocking game. UM, but we are branching outside of that

1144
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: this year with uh, you know, some bigger woods hunts. Uh.

1145
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: I've drew some tags in Kansas. I'm gonna knock on

1146
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: some farmers doors out there, going to North Dakota doing

1147
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:53,439
Speaker 1: the same thing up there, getting different experiences and uh,

1148
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 1: you know, wanting to challenge ourselves in different environments. UM.

1149
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: I'll probably be posting most of my stuff on my

1150
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: personal Instagram. Um, I've made this name when I was

1151
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: sixteen year or like fourteen fifteen years old in high school,

1152
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: and I just I should have changed it, but I

1153
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: never did. People as people ask me all the time

1154
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: about that, I'm like, dude, I don't know. I like

1155
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: I made the name and when I was fourteen years old,

1156
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: and I just at some point it was too late

1157
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: and I just never changed it. It's the underscore. Roy

1158
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: is my personal one, and then Sequin Productions is our

1159
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: kind of homepage on Instagram as well. So I gotta ask,

1160
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,919
Speaker 1: is the Northern Buck Hunt? Is that something you're gonna

1161
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: be sharing updates throughout the year or you're gonna keep

1162
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: it quiet till it's all said and done and then

1163
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: we'll find out what happened. To be honest, I was,

1164
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: I was going to, uh, you know, try to. I

1165
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: like to. I like to share my stuff, like you know,

1166
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: I want to keep people like take them along for

1167
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: the ride. So I'm gonna be posting updates on my

1168
01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: probably my personal Instagram, um kind of throughout that Ernie.

1169
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: But I've also been sort of coming across the thought

1170
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: process of this, dear is such next level. I might

1171
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: just go dark until it's done. I don't know. Yeah,

1172
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't blame you. I get that we'll

1173
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 1: see well. I will be crossing all my fingers and

1174
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: toes and uh, hopefully we can have another chat like

1175
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: this after it's all set and down and have a

1176
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: good story to tell. So one last thing, uh, And

1177
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: the reason I'm bring it up is I'm actually headed

1178
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: there right after we hang up, for the sake of

1179
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: flying under the radar from the Karen's and stuff in

1180
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: these neighborhoods. I've actually I bought a very used and

1181
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: beat up Honda Element at a car auction. I'm a

1182
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: slap a Hello Kitty sticker on the back window, and

1183
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: I promise you that no one's gonna look at that

1184
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: vehicle and think, yeah, that dude's hunting back. There is genius.

1185
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: That is genius. Well if I run, uh huh, Well,

1186
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: good luck, man. I hope it comes together for I

1187
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: appreciate taking time to chat through the stuff. If you

1188
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: want to come to Atlanta, man, you gotta open invite.

1189
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: If you want to revisit that urban, that urban hunt,

1190
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: I feel like I need to at some point. I've

1191
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 1: gotta I've got to get that monkey off my back,

1192
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: so I'll have to find time to make it happen. Yeah,

1193
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: let's do it, alright, Lee, thanks again. I have a

1194
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: good one. Yeah. See a man all right and that

1195
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: is a rap. Definitely go check out what Lee's got

1196
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: cooking over at the SEQ one YouTube channel. Follow along.

1197
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see how this season goes for him.

1198
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: So with out of the way, thank you for listening,

1199
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: and until next time, stay wired. Don