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<v Speaker 7>Look, if the forty nine ers can sweet out quote

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<v Speaker 7>against all odds, when the Niners have literally been favored

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<v Speaker 7>in every game this season, including the Super Bowl, if

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<v Speaker 7>every Super Bowl official gets a Super Bowl ring fact,

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<v Speaker 7>if the Kansas City mayor can say quote, she is

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<v Speaker 7>welcome to stay forever. Talking about Taylor Swift, and the

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<v Speaker 7>economic impact of the city itself. Right, if the Dallas

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<v Speaker 7>Cowboys can interview Rex Ryan for their defensive coordinator job,

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<v Speaker 7>and if a media member can ask Drake Greenlaw this week,

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<v Speaker 7>would you get a tattoo of brock Perty's face if

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<v Speaker 7>it guaranteed you a win in the Super Bowl. If

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<v Speaker 7>all that can happen, we most definitely can bring you

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<v Speaker 7>The Big Red Rage starring Drew Stanton momentarily all presented

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<v Speaker 7>by Santan Fordy and Gilbert. We are Santan Ford Paul

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<v Speaker 7>Kelvic here, Ron Wolf Leon Assignment. We have upgraded a

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<v Speaker 7>pleasure to welcome in Darren Urban and Darren. It is

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<v Speaker 7>a big show.

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<v Speaker 1>There were a lot of ifs there putting.

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<v Speaker 7>The Big into Big Red Rage Night Show number six

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<v Speaker 7>fifty overall, that's going back to two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 7>And if you were to put all those shows together,

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<v Speaker 7>Jim al Mahundro did the math here. You've heard a

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<v Speaker 7>binge watching about binge listening. It would take you twenty

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<v Speaker 7>seven plus straight days to listen to every single edition

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<v Speaker 7>of The Big Red Rage back to back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm going to take a pass on that. No

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<v Speaker 1>offense homes what kind of reporter.

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<v Speaker 7>Were you doing those media days? You weren't the guy

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<v Speaker 7>you never put on a wedding dress or asked the

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<v Speaker 7>wacky question, were you, Darren? Come on?

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<v Speaker 8>No, And in fact that only got worse as I

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<v Speaker 8>I mean it was, it was just in its I

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<v Speaker 8>don't want to say it's infancy, but it was really

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<v Speaker 8>getting going hard when I first the first Super Bowl

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<v Speaker 8>I tended was after the two thousand season, and it

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<v Speaker 8>was there, but it wasn't didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it peaked a few years later, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's still there now. But I think somewhere.

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<v Speaker 8>In like the mid aughts, I would say, is when

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<v Speaker 8>it got really really bad. But yeah, there's plenty of that,

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<v Speaker 8>and I was trying to do regular stories on those

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<v Speaker 8>media days and it wasn't easy.

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<v Speaker 7>See, I'm trying to remember Super Bowl thirty sun Devil Stadium,

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<v Speaker 7>Cowboys and Steelers backs still when it was Emmett and

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<v Speaker 7>Troy Aikman and Michael Urha'm trying to remember if there

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<v Speaker 7>was like a media day and whether it was a

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<v Speaker 7>craziness and insanity whatever doesn't matter right now. Right here

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<v Speaker 7>in the Red Sea, Darren Ermanizzio, there are two kinds

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<v Speaker 7>of people and only two those who would draft a

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<v Speaker 7>receiver number four and those who would not winch Camp

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<v Speaker 7>are you in?

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not ruling it out, but and I know people

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<v Speaker 8>hate it when they asked me my questions because they

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<v Speaker 8>all want black and white. But I'm just I'm not

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<v Speaker 8>a black and white type of answer giver.

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<v Speaker 7>But you get a lot of those questions in the

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<v Speaker 7>mailbag these days, right, But.

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<v Speaker 8>Like, I don't think the Cardinals have made that decision,

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<v Speaker 8>So how would I you know?

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<v Speaker 2>For me?

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<v Speaker 1>There's so much that goes into it.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, they haven't had a chance to talk to

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<v Speaker 8>all these players individually as much as they want. Obviously

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<v Speaker 8>they've done a lot of the scouting, but we know

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<v Speaker 8>what kind of players they are. We don't know what

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<v Speaker 8>they're what they're going to address in free agency. We

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<v Speaker 8>don't know exactly how they feel about Let's take Harrison.

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<v Speaker 7>For examples, JR.

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<v Speaker 8>If you think he's a next level type of talent

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<v Speaker 8>more so than some of these other receivers, I understand

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<v Speaker 8>why you want to get it, but we don't know

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<v Speaker 8>how they've interpreted it. And there are people out there

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<v Speaker 8>that see Harrison and a couple of these other receivers

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<v Speaker 8>really close. And if that's the case, I don't know

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<v Speaker 8>if I'm willing to burn the fourth pick on that

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<v Speaker 8>or whether I might want to trade down before I

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<v Speaker 8>make a pick. And you know, there's a lot that

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<v Speaker 8>goes involved with when you're picking at four. It's great

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<v Speaker 8>because you get a great player, you should get a

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<v Speaker 8>great player. But when you're picking at four, there's also

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<v Speaker 8>pressure to make sure you pick a great player, and

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<v Speaker 8>oftentimes you're kind of forced to go in only a

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<v Speaker 8>couple different directions because your needs might not line up

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<v Speaker 8>with like there's it doesn't seem like, for instance, there

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<v Speaker 8>is a cornerback that is worth the fourth overall pick.

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<v Speaker 8>Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe they'll see it differently, but

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<v Speaker 8>that's obviously something they need. But they're not gonna be

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<v Speaker 8>able to take a cornerback there. So then you have

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<v Speaker 8>one less position you're looking at.

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<v Speaker 7>Look, if the game is won in the trenches, then

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<v Speaker 7>okay to me, that's where the top five. Look, it's

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<v Speaker 7>either quarterback, get to the quarterback, protect the quarterback. Now,

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<v Speaker 7>if you're going to give the quarterback wide receiver one

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<v Speaker 7>if dare we say you're going to give the quarterback

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<v Speaker 7>a Hall of Fame receiver, a first ballot guy like

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<v Speaker 7>a Larry Fitzgerald, then absolutely Marvin Harrison Junior is your

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<v Speaker 7>guy at number four. That is the question. Is he

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<v Speaker 7>that guy? And we pose that question of Frank Sanders

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<v Speaker 7>on just that conundrum. Do you draft a receiver including

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<v Speaker 7>Marvin Harrison Junior number four?

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<v Speaker 9>Overall?

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<v Speaker 7>This was last week in the Big Red Rage.

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<v Speaker 10>They're three or four receivers right now on the top

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<v Speaker 10>of the list that just makes your heart melt. They're

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<v Speaker 10>all six foot three, six foot four, tall, lanky, rangey

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<v Speaker 10>guys with arms. You know, they can make all kind

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<v Speaker 10>of plays from the one step hits to you know,

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<v Speaker 10>throwing the ball down the field, not afraid to go

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<v Speaker 10>across the middle. And Marvin Harrison would be something that

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<v Speaker 10>you just would love to have, especially because you know

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<v Speaker 10>this could be, you know, another dreaded hair situation. Like

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<v Speaker 10>Larry Fitzgerald, a guy that runs all around. He's got

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<v Speaker 10>speed quality on every area from the outside to the inside.

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<v Speaker 10>He's knowledgeable as a receiver, so you're winning that area.

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<v Speaker 10>But I will add this in, there are a lot

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<v Speaker 10>of receivers out there and that can make plays that

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<v Speaker 10>if you can steal him in the draft, between the third, fourth,

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<v Speaker 10>and fifth round. That's gonna be absolutely helpful to Kyle.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's Frank Sanders once again, former Cardinals receiver. Don't

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<v Speaker 7>make me break out the list of all the Pro

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<v Speaker 7>Bowl and all Pro receivers this year who are not

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<v Speaker 7>taking in round one. But once again it's a persistent

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<v Speaker 7>question you're getting in the mail background.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, it's funny because I did get a question in

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<v Speaker 8>this past week on Easycardinals dot com and the question was,

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<v Speaker 8>and thankfully it was, if you can guarantee that you

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<v Speaker 8>were getting a Pro Bowl guarantee now Pro Bowl talent

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<v Speaker 8>at the fourth pick for the next five years, what

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<v Speaker 8>positions would you want it to be at. So he's

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<v Speaker 8>not saying Harrison's your guy, he's saying, if you could

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<v Speaker 8>guarantee that who it is. And the bottom line is,

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<v Speaker 8>if you're talking about not names, and you're you're posing

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<v Speaker 8>it like that wide receivers not in that list, it

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<v Speaker 8>would be it would be a cornerback, it would be

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<v Speaker 8>a tackle, and it would probably be an edge rusher,

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<v Speaker 8>maybe an interior defensive lineman.

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<v Speaker 1>But you wouldn't say receiver like that.

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<v Speaker 7>And once again, if there was a Sauce Gardener there

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<v Speaker 7>at number four like a couple of years ago. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 7>if but Miles Garrett was there, you know, the edge

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<v Speaker 7>rusher extraordinary, then absolutely, But that guy seemingly is not

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<v Speaker 7>there at number four. And if quarterbacks are going one, two, three,

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<v Speaker 7>like most mock drafts say, then okay, what do you

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<v Speaker 7>do if you're the Cardinals. Here's Roy Green, the legend

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<v Speaker 7>Ring of Honor member, also a guy who wore number

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<v Speaker 7>eighty one right and big time receiver and Cardinals history.

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<v Speaker 7>And we asked him this week on the Red Sea

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<v Speaker 7>Report on receiver versus other positions.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 11>I think there's a couple more guys I want to

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<v Speaker 11>grab before getting the receiver.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's just me talking. Prior to the season, we say.

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<v Speaker 11>Hey, we need a defensive tackle, a dominant defensive Lindman,

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<v Speaker 11>We've always talked about where's that cornerback going to be?

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<v Speaker 11>Where is that guy that we have? We haven't had

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<v Speaker 11>those guys. You know, if we want to go where

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<v Speaker 11>we want to be in my opinion, to be in

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<v Speaker 11>those playoffs next year, you know, those some things we

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<v Speaker 11>have to address.

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<v Speaker 7>That is Roy Green this week on the Red Sea Report. Now, look,

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<v Speaker 7>I was arguing with Wolf and I contended, and this

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<v Speaker 7>really wasn't a hot take. I think I honestly believe

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<v Speaker 7>this is that if Marvin Harrison Junior is drafted before

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<v Speaker 7>the Cardinals selected four, that could be a best case scenario.

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<v Speaker 7>That means one of those top three quarterbacks falls and then,

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<v Speaker 7>for example, you could cash that in. You could leverage

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<v Speaker 7>a team's dire need for a quarterback at number four

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<v Speaker 7>and trade with Atlanta and go down to eight for example,

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<v Speaker 7>still get one of those top tackles. Daniel Jeremia put

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<v Speaker 7>out his eight of his top seventeen prospects are tackles,

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<v Speaker 7>so it's very deep, whether it's at eight, for example,

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<v Speaker 7>or if you your second first round pick and number

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<v Speaker 7>twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 8>I'll be honest, I would be surprised if that scenario

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<v Speaker 8>falls to the Cardinals. And this is why, because if

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<v Speaker 8>you're one of those top three teams and you're not

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<v Speaker 8>taking a quarterback, you're the team making the trade, and

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<v Speaker 8>Harrison is probably going to be on the board.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be, my.

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<v Speaker 7>Guess, possible, no doubt, But we've seen teams like Atlanta

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<v Speaker 7>go for a tight end at number four. Kyle Pitts

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<v Speaker 7>a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>Ago and would they do that over if they could? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>yes you would.

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<v Speaker 7>Well you think so, Kyle Pitts really top five? You

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<v Speaker 7>think they do that over again?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I do. And I'm not saying he's not a

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<v Speaker 1>great talent.

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<v Speaker 8>But you got Drake London the next year, and if

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<v Speaker 8>you could have been in a situation where you had

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, their offensive line has been okay. Like again,

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<v Speaker 8>maybe it changes now that they've got Raheem Morrison there,

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<v Speaker 8>and maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>If they get the right quarterback. But see, the Atlanta's

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<v Speaker 1>problem is they I don't have a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 7>And once again, whether it's Atlanta, whether it's Minnesota, whether

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<v Speaker 7>it's the Raiders, there are teams in the middle of

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<v Speaker 7>the first round and you wonder how poised are they,

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<v Speaker 7>how willing are they to give up the farm to

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<v Speaker 7>come up and get Jane Daniels. The other scenario I

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<v Speaker 7>talked about was, Okay, you're looking at that one quarterback

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<v Speaker 7>rising a year ago as Anthony Richardson all the way

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<v Speaker 7>up to number four. Could it be Michael Pennix Junior?

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<v Speaker 7>Could it be bow Nicks? Maybe just maybe after you're

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<v Speaker 7>done with the combine and the pro days, and seemingly

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<v Speaker 7>there's always that one guy every single year they joined

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<v Speaker 7>the Cardinal season ticket priority list twenty twenty four. Home

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<v Speaker 7>opponents include the Bears, Chargers, Patriots, Jets, Lions Commanders with

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<v Speaker 7>Cliff Kingsbury, and of course the NFC West go to

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<v Speaker 7>Azycardinals dot com slash priority list. All right, what does

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<v Speaker 7>a former NFL quarterback think about all this drafting a receiver?

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<v Speaker 7>What does he think about? Kyler Murray Drew Stanton? Next

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<v Speaker 7>on the big red rage.

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<v Speaker 5>Stanton's got the ball, short set, stands with the pocket,

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<v Speaker 5>throws deep nearside, going for John Brown. He caught it

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<v Speaker 5>to the end zone. Touchdown.

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<v Speaker 4>John Brown second NFL today.

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<v Speaker 2>Wide open, running a corner round in a great breath

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<v Speaker 2>by Drew Stanton.

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<v Speaker 4>Snapped to Stanton short set, pops right now, throws meddle

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<v Speaker 4>for Brown, caught at the end zone, touchdown, a laser

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<v Speaker 4>by Stanton. John Brown second score of the game, third

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<v Speaker 4>on the year, and the Cardinals lay and.

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<v Speaker 2>Drew Stanton with another laser beam.

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<v Speaker 7>There you go, Darren Irman, See that's another receiver I

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<v Speaker 7>need to add to my working list over here. Big

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<v Speaker 7>time dynamic receivers not drafted on Day one Round one.

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<v Speaker 7>John Brown back in the day as we interrupt the

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<v Speaker 7>NonStop offseason and post playing career of a former Cardinals quarterback.

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<v Speaker 7>Who I mean we need to tap into all that

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<v Speaker 7>NFL knowledge that people need to hear. Right, fans demand

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<v Speaker 7>Drew stand and he is our guest here on the

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<v Speaker 7>Big Red Rage presented by santan ford Ian Gilbert. We

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<v Speaker 7>are Santane Ford Drew. How you holding up these days?

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<v Speaker 9>I'm doing great things. I don't know how demand and

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<v Speaker 9>demand I really am, but I appreciate.

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<v Speaker 10>The lead them.

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<v Speaker 8>I do have to ask this question, is I'm listening

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<v Speaker 8>to the I mean, we're just hearing these sounders, like

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<v Speaker 8>we hear all these play by play sounders. Obviously we're

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<v Speaker 8>never going to get a chance to hear one about us.

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<v Speaker 8>Like when you're listening to that, do you like go

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<v Speaker 8>back in your head of those plays or is it

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<v Speaker 8>all just mush?

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes in terms of no, it's not much for me.

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<v Speaker 9>I only had so many good plays. So I love

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<v Speaker 9>her John Brown, so I can tell you know, like

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<v Speaker 9>I love hearing those highlights and being able to do it.

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<v Speaker 9>So you know, those were good times and good memories

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<v Speaker 9>and again, such a great experience I had being a

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<v Speaker 9>part of the Arizona Cardinals organization for five years.

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<v Speaker 7>You're not like one of those Sean mcvays. Though. If

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<v Speaker 7>I say, you know, twenty thirteen, Week eleven, third quarter

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<v Speaker 7>on third and seven, like you don't remember the play call?

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<v Speaker 7>You can't go that in depth, can you?

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<v Speaker 10>No, I wasn't a caller. I can tell.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, I can go back to different situations and

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<v Speaker 9>different things of what happened, transpired or different. You know,

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<v Speaker 9>for instance, right the whole Justin Tucker situation that came up,

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<v Speaker 9>Oh yeah, where he was, you know, doing his little

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<v Speaker 9>warm up that happened in Philly to us with Donnie Jones.

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<v Speaker 9>He was punting and Eric Winston kicked the.

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<v Speaker 10>Ball back at him, and I was like, that's.

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<v Speaker 9>One guy that I probably wouldn't try to mess with it.

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<v Speaker 9>And we were trying to warm up and do all

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<v Speaker 9>that stuff and whatnot. So again, you see all these things,

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<v Speaker 9>and you remember those type of things probably more than

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<v Speaker 9>anything as opposed to third and three in the third quarter,

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<v Speaker 9>Week three.

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<v Speaker 7>All right, lo, look, Drew Standers, our guest, former Cardinals quarterback,

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<v Speaker 7>and if my memory serves, when the Cardinals hired Drew

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<v Speaker 7>Pats and his offensive coordinator you cited the run game,

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<v Speaker 7>and sure enough, by the end of the season, the

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<v Speaker 7>Airzona Cardinals finished fourth in rushing yards per game, second

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<v Speaker 7>in rushing yards per carry, and first in twenty plus

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<v Speaker 7>yard runs. How impressive was the Cardinals run game before

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<v Speaker 7>we getting into Kyler and the rest of the offense.

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<v Speaker 9>It was very impressive, right, But that's again you stick

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<v Speaker 9>with what you know, and he came from an unbelievable

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<v Speaker 9>system in Cleveland and understanding, hey, we have to establish

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<v Speaker 9>the run. Kevin Stefanski tries to protect the football. He

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<v Speaker 9>utilizes the run to set up play action and then

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<v Speaker 9>push the ball down the field, much like we saw

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<v Speaker 9>with Cleveland in the past, and that's their identity. So

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<v Speaker 9>you stick with what you know and you find ways

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<v Speaker 9>to make it work. And it was very impressive because

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<v Speaker 9>you know, as well noted as everything is in the NFL,

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<v Speaker 9>the teams that can establish the run and stop the run,

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<v Speaker 9>those are the teams with the most success year in

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<v Speaker 9>and year out, week in and week out, and we

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<v Speaker 9>saw that pick up to the latter part of the season,

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<v Speaker 9>which is super encouraging because a guy like James Connor

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<v Speaker 9>that can carry that kind of a load to be

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<v Speaker 9>able to do it in the run and pass key

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<v Speaker 9>to defenses off balance.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, we're just going to say that's a great segue

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<v Speaker 8>right there, Drew, because I want to then ask if

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<v Speaker 8>if that becomes an identity and they did it so well.

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<v Speaker 8>When we start talking about this first pick at and

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<v Speaker 8>there's so much talk about Marvin Harrison or another receiver,

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<v Speaker 8>like kind of what is your thought process on that

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<v Speaker 8>early pick and the talent that might be at the

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<v Speaker 8>top of the draft and what you think could happen,

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<v Speaker 8>what should happen.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I think when you have a generational talent that

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<v Speaker 9>comes along like Marvin Harrison, and I know that there's

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<v Speaker 9>a lot of great wide receivers that are for being

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<v Speaker 9>the first tick off the board for wide receiver position.

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<v Speaker 9>But I just I saw the guy play in person.

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<v Speaker 9>I've seen him and know people that know him extremely well.

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<v Speaker 9>In the pedigree. I mean, you look at if you

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<v Speaker 9>were going to make a wide receiver on and off

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<v Speaker 9>the field, just how he carries himself, all of those things.

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<v Speaker 9>Because when you're investing in the top five pick in

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<v Speaker 9>somebody you can't miss, you cannot miss, and you can't say, man,

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<v Speaker 9>I didn't understand that and I look at that, and

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<v Speaker 9>obviously I'm biased from a quarterback position, but when you

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<v Speaker 9>have a number one, a true number one wide receiver

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<v Speaker 9>that you can get, I don't think you passed that up.

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<v Speaker 9>Now I was wrong to the last year. I would

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<v Speaker 9>have taken will Anderson knowing what I know. But at

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<v Speaker 9>the same time, you get a chance to trade back,

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<v Speaker 9>you get parashaulphin junior. He has a great, great rookie season,

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<v Speaker 9>and rightfully so, as you're saying, okay, now we're moving

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<v Speaker 9>forward with Kyler as our franchise quarterback, we need to

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<v Speaker 9>be able to protect him, and so you invest in

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<v Speaker 9>the offensive line. Now, what's another way of investing in

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<v Speaker 9>Kyler Murray is you go out and you get a

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<v Speaker 9>bona fide superstar to be able to roam outside and

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<v Speaker 9>it doesn't matter if he has single coverage or double coverage.

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<v Speaker 9>That are where it leads into it with the run game,

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<v Speaker 9>those can marry it up and then you're going to

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<v Speaker 9>see single highest safety where you have the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 9>get one on ones on the outside.

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<v Speaker 8>It's interesting that you bring up the fact that Marvin

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<v Speaker 8>is what you would want on the field and off

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<v Speaker 8>the field, because I feel like a top five pick

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<v Speaker 8>you said you can't miss.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's part.

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<v Speaker 8>Of the equation is because that person inevitably is going

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<v Speaker 8>to be one of the faces of the franchise. And

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<v Speaker 8>obviously we saw it with Fits for so many years

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<v Speaker 8>where he was an ambassador not just with what he

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<v Speaker 8>was doing on the field, but because of how he

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<v Speaker 8>was off it. Obviously, I would think ownership would love

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<v Speaker 8>that here if they when they go through the process,

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<v Speaker 8>they find out about Harrison or any player quite frankly.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I mean that's the other side of the coin

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<v Speaker 9>that you try to get as much information as you can.

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<v Speaker 9>You see what you see on film, You assess what's

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<v Speaker 9>on film. But when you're invested in the top five

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<v Speaker 9>taking somebody, you better make sure that you know everything

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<v Speaker 9>possible about them, because again, you're looking to be able

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<v Speaker 9>to strike gold with somebody like Larry Fitzgerald. They can

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<v Speaker 9>become a cornerstone or a pillar that you are sitting

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<v Speaker 9>there trying to build around, and you just say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 9>we're good, We're set at wide receiver for now on.

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<v Speaker 9>And everybody's still quarterback crazy, right. You're starting to see

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<v Speaker 9>all of these people trying to trade up or do

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<v Speaker 9>different stuff, especially for the quarterback position. So to be

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<v Speaker 9>sitting at number four, it's a very good position to

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<v Speaker 9>be in because to me, you're looking for somebody that's

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<v Speaker 9>going to be a ten year type of guy that

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<v Speaker 9>you can plug and play and not have to look back.

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<v Speaker 9>And Marvin Harrison, in my opinion, again, is that of

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<v Speaker 9>a guy.

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<v Speaker 7>Former Cardinals quarterback Drew Stan our guest on the Big

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<v Speaker 7>Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert former Lions

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<v Speaker 7>quarterback Drew stan The reason I bring that up is

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<v Speaker 7>if you're telling me Marvin Harrison juniors an nex, Larry

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<v Speaker 7>Fitzgerald or a first bout Hall of famer, absolutely run

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<v Speaker 7>the card up to the podium, I get it. My

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<v Speaker 7>hesitation is the Lions for many years took a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of receivers top ten and they whiffed. But then they

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<v Speaker 7>finally hit on a Hall of Famer in Calvin Johnson.

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<v Speaker 7>It really didn't change their fortunes very much. And you

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<v Speaker 7>only see a Lions team now competing for the Super

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<v Speaker 7>Bowl after they addressed the line of scrimmage. So I

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<v Speaker 7>guess I'm just wondering if indeed, MANI Austin Ford is

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<v Speaker 7>going to go a similar direction to which the Lions

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<v Speaker 7>just did.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I mean, look, you look at that offensive line

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<v Speaker 9>and you could take the other side of the coin

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<v Speaker 9>and say, okay, well, if you're the Cincinnati Bengals and

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<v Speaker 9>you have Jamar Chase, that's great, but your quarterback couldn't

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<v Speaker 9>finish the season and you had a chance to draft

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<v Speaker 9>toiney Sewell, so what are you thinking now saying, man,

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<v Speaker 9>I wish I had that Pro Bowl left tackle and

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<v Speaker 9>we could have made do with the other wide receivers

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<v Speaker 9>in the room because the quarterback can't throw from his back,

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<v Speaker 9>and that's the thing that you have to assess and say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 9>where does DJ fit in this equation as we move forward?

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<v Speaker 9>We know he have Paris Johnson Jr. Do we look

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<v Speaker 9>for again? We saw the risk of taking a guard

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<v Speaker 9>Jonathan Cooper. I could tell you was an absolutely amazing,

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<v Speaker 9>amazing prospect coming out and unfortunately one injury because he's

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<v Speaker 9>so athletic in ten yards downfield puts himself in a

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<v Speaker 9>position where he snaps his leg and nember the same

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<v Speaker 9>player again, So do you invest that in the guard?

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<v Speaker 9>A center? Too high of a pick? So where are

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<v Speaker 9>you looking at that you can get difference makers. And

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<v Speaker 9>again I think you assess what you see and not

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<v Speaker 9>only the wide receiver position, but you feel really good

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<v Speaker 9>about Trey McBride. And so when you can control the

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<v Speaker 9>outside and the inside part of the field, you're going

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<v Speaker 9>to be able to just help your quarterback that much more.

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<v Speaker 7>Trey McBride, what sort of weapon is he? We see

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<v Speaker 7>all the tight ends who advanced so deep in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 7>Roy Jetstering Green on the Red Sea Report this week,

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<v Speaker 7>he said, you know, the tight ends are uncoverable because

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<v Speaker 7>they're too big for a corner or a dB, and

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<v Speaker 7>they're too fast and skilled for a linebacker. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>what do you think the upside in future holds for

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<v Speaker 7>Trey McBride.

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<v Speaker 9>I think the upside is tremendous. That's why they felt good,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, about letting zach Ertz go, and that's why

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<v Speaker 9>Steve Kim in that regime wanted to draft him. He

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<v Speaker 9>was the first title off the board. So we shouldn't

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<v Speaker 9>be surprised of what we're seeing. And I think truly

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<v Speaker 9>this system fits him better now than Cliff's system. And

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<v Speaker 9>you see that because he can play in line, he

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<v Speaker 9>can do different stuff. He can set up stuff off

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<v Speaker 9>of play action or you feel good about splitting the mountain.

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<v Speaker 9>And again, that's just kind of the trend of the

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<v Speaker 9>NFL at this point or has been for the last decade,

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<v Speaker 9>is finding guys that can put their hand in there,

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<v Speaker 9>be serviceable blockers, but then be a complete mismatch when

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<v Speaker 9>it comes to the pass game, because he said, how

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<v Speaker 9>do you match up in personnel? And every team tries

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<v Speaker 9>to do it differently, and some teams do it better

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<v Speaker 9>than others. But but you're going to have to allegate

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<v Speaker 9>somebody to him to try to stop him. And if

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<v Speaker 9>those guys are really good, the Travis Kelcey's, the George

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<v Speaker 9>Kittles of the world, give them options, you give them

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<v Speaker 9>multiple ways to go. They're going to beat you and

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<v Speaker 9>find a ways to win.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, So we've talked about the running game and the

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<v Speaker 8>receivers and maybe the offensive line and tight end, so

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<v Speaker 8>we dial it back to the quarterback where it starts.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, it felt like there were some bumps, like

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<v Speaker 8>Jonathan Gannon said, there were going to be when he

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<v Speaker 8>first returned from the ACL, but it did feel like

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<v Speaker 8>Kyler was trending up in the right direction. By the end,

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<v Speaker 8>it looked like he was getting more and more comfortable

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<v Speaker 8>under center and running the petsing offense, and I can

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<v Speaker 8>understand why they have high hopes for him. What did

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<v Speaker 8>you see in terms of his eight games and where

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<v Speaker 8>he might be going.

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<v Speaker 9>I saw a guy that started to understand situational football.

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<v Speaker 10>Really.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean that's the biggest thing that I think we

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<v Speaker 9>would sit there and scratch ahead at times in Cliff

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<v Speaker 9>system where they'd take a shot on third and two

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<v Speaker 9>and be like, well, why don't they just throw it underneath,

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<v Speaker 9>or you know, live to see another down and throw

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<v Speaker 9>the ball away. Hey it's a red zone, we're okay

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<v Speaker 9>kicking a field goal here, or knowing all those things

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<v Speaker 9>the game within the game, and I think that comes

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<v Speaker 9>a lot of different way. I think when you take

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<v Speaker 9>away the fact that he had to sit and watch

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<v Speaker 9>this system and learn it from the sideline and then

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<v Speaker 9>go out and try to implement it, that's a huge

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<v Speaker 9>advantage because his whole life he's always been the starting quarterback.

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<v Speaker 9>He's learned on the fly, on the job, and so

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<v Speaker 9>being able to kind of peel back those layers and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 9>this is why we're under center here, this is why

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<v Speaker 9>we're in this formation expecting this kind of coverage that

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<v Speaker 9>setting it up with this, This is why we're shifting

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<v Speaker 9>and motioning and getting into these different things, and we

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<v Speaker 9>can marry it up with it. And then the light

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<v Speaker 9>bulb comes on and you all of a sudden, Yes,

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<v Speaker 9>he is as good of an athlete as there is

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<v Speaker 9>at that position in the NFL. But playing quarterback is

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<v Speaker 9>far more than just being a great athlete. And I

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<v Speaker 9>know that I can't remember what the status Wolf probably

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<v Speaker 9>knows it. But however, many times when Kyler ran or

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<v Speaker 9>had rush attempts in the game, they were going to win,

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<v Speaker 9>and I was like, that doesn't mean anything, because there's

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<v Speaker 9>no longevity in that for quarterbacks in the NFL, and

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<v Speaker 9>you've got to be able to do that. And I

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<v Speaker 9>think Kyler has the ability to change pace on his throats.

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<v Speaker 9>He understands how the layer throws in, he understands she

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<v Speaker 9>understands all of these things. But being able to be

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<v Speaker 9>under center, being comfortable in that, and truly playing quarterback

0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:09.240
<v Speaker 9>as opposed to being an athlete playing quarterback and turn

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<v Speaker 9>it in the backyard football at times, I think that's

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<v Speaker 9>where you start to see some of these things and

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<v Speaker 9>the excitement for next year is really on the horizon.

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<v Speaker 7>How big a deal is it. He'll be able to

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<v Speaker 7>have an entire offseason with his receivers unlike a year ago.

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<v Speaker 7>We always hear about that cohesion and chemistry and being

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<v Speaker 7>and saying how real is that?

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<v Speaker 9>I think it's very, very real from the standpoint that

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<v Speaker 9>you have to sit back and say, Okay, well, yeah,

0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:36.479
<v Speaker 9>everybody runs a curl, everyone runs a slant, everybody runs

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<v Speaker 9>a go ball or a post or any of these routes.

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<v Speaker 9>There's only so many routes that you can run. But

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<v Speaker 9>at the same time, the detail of those routes matter immensely,

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<v Speaker 9>the feel of those guys. Just like the lead that

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<v Speaker 9>we heard about John Brown running his corner route. You

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<v Speaker 9>knew that Brown was going to come out of his break.

0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:54.000
<v Speaker 9>He was going to stick his foot on the ground

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<v Speaker 9>and you had to put it out there. You could

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<v Speaker 9>not underthrow him because he was going to be so

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<v Speaker 9>far down the field. Other guys just have a different field.

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<v Speaker 9>Michael Floyd, I had to throw the ball a little

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<v Speaker 9>bit different to him, understand how he was coming out

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<v Speaker 9>of his break. I just had to get it close

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<v Speaker 9>to Larry and he was going to catch it with

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<v Speaker 9>made me feel really good. So all of these guys

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<v Speaker 9>are completely different on how they do stuff. And that's

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<v Speaker 9>what the off season really is for. Right you look

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<v Speaker 9>at the phases and whatnot, and that phase two situation

0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:20.960
<v Speaker 9>operation of on the field give it a chance to

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<v Speaker 9>walk through and talk through and run through routes. That

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<v Speaker 9>that is where you get the opportunity to really get guys.

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<v Speaker 10>So when you get into a.

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<v Speaker 9>Weekly game prep or anything in the regular season, it's say, hey,

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<v Speaker 9>remember this in training camp or go back and watch

0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:37.200
<v Speaker 9>this in training camp. We had this concept in versus

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<v Speaker 9>this coverage that we're anticipating seeing, so we can get

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<v Speaker 9>to it and it becomes second nature. And that's just

0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:46.040
<v Speaker 9>developed over time. That's through repetitions. As you're talking about, Paul.

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<v Speaker 7>All right down the stretch, we come with Drew stand

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<v Speaker 7>former Cardinals quarterback, on the Big Red Rage presented by

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<v Speaker 7>Santan Ford and Gilbert. I don't know if there's one

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<v Speaker 7>thing that stands out to you as a key to

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<v Speaker 7>the Super Bowl fifty eight, But let me ask you

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<v Speaker 7>about the experience factor at quarterback. Patrick Mahome fourth and

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<v Speaker 7>five years, brock Perty's in year number two obviously never

0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 7>been there, and done that. You're around Tom Brady a

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<v Speaker 7>few years ago, super Bowl week, just the whole experience

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<v Speaker 7>factor at quarterback. How big a difference is that going

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<v Speaker 7>to be?

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<v Speaker 9>You think, well, I think it's big for a few reasons.

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<v Speaker 10>Right.

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<v Speaker 9>Obviously, they have a schedule set up and Patrick will

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<v Speaker 9>just say, you know, this is what we're doing, and

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<v Speaker 9>everybody follows. Suit I saw that firstand as he talked

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<v Speaker 9>about with Tom Brady. But Kyle Shanahan's been in a

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<v Speaker 9>super Bowl before. He was leading immensely in a super

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<v Speaker 9>Bowl before, so he knows what that preparation looks like

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<v Speaker 9>from an offensive standpoint, and I'm sure they've had a

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<v Speaker 9>lot of communication. He's running the ship and there's nothing

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:42.399
<v Speaker 9>wrong with that. This first time around for Block Party,

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<v Speaker 9>it's okay for him to be comfortable and say, you

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<v Speaker 9>know what, I'm not going to pretend that I don't

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<v Speaker 9>know what I don't know. And that takes maturity, That

0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:53.320
<v Speaker 9>takes somebody that's very comfortable with who they are. And

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<v Speaker 9>as much criticism as he's gotten all year, he's very

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<v Speaker 9>comfortable with who he is and he understands the skill

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<v Speaker 9>set that he has around them. He understands all of

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<v Speaker 9>these things and one of these things. But my biggest

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<v Speaker 9>piece of advice to him would just be, you know what,

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<v Speaker 9>once he kicked that ball off, it's just football. You

0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:09.679
<v Speaker 9>can't win the game in the first half as the

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<v Speaker 9>Detroit Lions. Now you've got to go out and play

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<v Speaker 9>four quarters.

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<v Speaker 7>Drew, we really enjoyed it, some great insight.

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<v Speaker 8>We're also going to get more of your clips going.

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<v Speaker 8>We're just gonna listen to Drew stan highlights all afternoon.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, get all eight of them out.

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<v Speaker 10>Ash has a couple of ones.

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<v Speaker 9>I've heard some other ones too when I was with

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<v Speaker 9>the Lion about Old Wolf. So you know, all of

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<v Speaker 9>them are good.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey, and all those parents right you're coaching their kids.

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<v Speaker 7>Tell their parents to appreciate the fact they have a

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<v Speaker 7>long time NFL quarterback as their kids head coach. All right,

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<v Speaker 7>appreciate it, Drew, thank you? All right, there you go, man, Yep,

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<v Speaker 7>Drew stand former Cardinals quarterback, our guest on The Big

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<v Speaker 7>Red Rage. I'll tell you what we'll come back. We'll

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<v Speaker 7>talk about Cardinals free agency, needs, wants, what's feasible and

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<v Speaker 7>doable all coming up next in The Big Red Rage

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<v Speaker 7>presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert.

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<v Speaker 2>Kaiser White just set the tempo for everybody out on

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<v Speaker 2>this field right now between the White Liones.

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<v Speaker 5>What are you going to do about A message has

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<v Speaker 5>been sent?

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<v Speaker 2>What is that message, David, that.

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 5>Messages we will fight you. And Kaiser White's a thumber.

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<v Speaker 2>He has been all over the field and he is

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<v Speaker 2>a physical guy as well.

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<v Speaker 5>Kaizer White White turned down the Jets to get to

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<v Speaker 5>the quarterback. Yeah, Kaiser White and run flying in there

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<v Speaker 5>at the end is Kaizer White.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a culture of physicality, is what this is about.

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<v Speaker 5>He's a very physical player and one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 5>why the Cardinals wanted to bring him over when Jonathan

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<v Speaker 5>Gannon got the job. What a big play by Kaizer White.

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<v Speaker 2>Kaiser White getting off an awful lot of blocks right

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<v Speaker 2>now and making tackles.

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<v Speaker 5>Hit and sacked by Kisier White.

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<v Speaker 2>Kaizer White manhunter, track and bag, Kaizer White.

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<v Speaker 7>Passion Wolf. That was just from week one and two.

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<v Speaker 7>When you got to you know it and the Cardinals

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<v Speaker 7>new right away, you know what. Kaiser White is a

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<v Speaker 7>legit Mike linebacker. Not just the plays he made, but

0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 7>his ability to get the play called, to make the checks,

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:12.879
<v Speaker 7>get everyone in the right position for a defense to

0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 7>play fast, played with some nasty I mean it was

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<v Speaker 7>early in that season opener at Washington he started, he

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<v Speaker 7>started a fight on the sideline with that physical hit.

0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:23.919
<v Speaker 7>I mean so right away, no doubt he didn't make

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<v Speaker 7>a statement. And we'll see if the Cardinals are going

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<v Speaker 7>to do something similar once free agency begins. It is

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<v Speaker 7>the big red rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert.

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<v Speaker 7>We are santan Ford, Darren Urban and for Ron Wolfley

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:38.560
<v Speaker 7>and really Kaiser White would be the big name, would

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<v Speaker 7>be the big signing from a year ago. How much

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<v Speaker 7>bigger do you think it gets this year in free

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 7>agency with some forty two million or so available under

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 7>the cap. Now that Mantia support Johnathan Gannon know what

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 7>they have, they have a better understanding of what they

0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 7>need in free agency.

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<v Speaker 8>I think there's a chance there could be a splash

0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 8>signing or two. I don't know if if Monty's the

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<v Speaker 8>type of guy that's going to top the market with

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 8>the splashiest signing. And I'm very curious to see who

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 8>is available at the positions they so desperately need, especially

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<v Speaker 8>on defense, defensive line, edge rusher, cornerback. If any of

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 8>those things are there, especially when we sit here, and

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<v Speaker 8>I mean we just earlier in the show, we're talking

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<v Speaker 8>about the draft, Paul and what might be available at four,

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 8>and I think you need to keep.

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<v Speaker 1>That in mind.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, if you're thinking to yourself that cornerback may or

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<v Speaker 8>may not be there at four, it could be there

0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 8>at twenty seven. Tackles are deep, Like, I think there's

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:40.600
<v Speaker 8>some positions you might want to look at in free

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 8>agency to try and get to bolst of those early,

0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:44.640
<v Speaker 8>because you're not one hundred percent sure you're going to

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<v Speaker 8>be able to get a blue chipper in the draft.

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<v Speaker 7>No doubt. Look, you know there might be a corner

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<v Speaker 7>like Terry and Arnold of Alabama who has the size,

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 7>has the skill set, the athleticism. We'll see. You don't

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<v Speaker 7>truly know what the Cardinals warroom thinks is someone like that?

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<v Speaker 7>But would he be someone at number four? So when

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<v Speaker 7>I say you might trade out from four down to eight,

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 7>or dare I see even down to Vegas at thirteen

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:10.000
<v Speaker 7>or Minnesota at eleven, you know, maybe you still target

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 7>the corner at that point because there don't seem to

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 7>be a ton of free agent corners available, and you

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 7>don't just need one, you probably need two. In terms

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<v Speaker 7>of defensive linemen, though, there are some names. For example,

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 7>Chris Jones, according to all reports, will be playing his

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 7>last game as a Kansas City Chief. Remember they had

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 7>the whole contract stalemate that caused him to miss the

0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 7>first game. And then you have other guys who are

0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:36.959
<v Speaker 7>tracking towards free agency Pro Bowlers like Baltimore's Justin Matdabweke,

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 7>Jonathan Greener to Houston, Demnil Hunter of Minnesota, you know,

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:44.320
<v Speaker 7>Christian Wilkins, a lot of speculation out of Miami what

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:47.160
<v Speaker 7>exactly they are going to do. They're Chase Young, who

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:50.640
<v Speaker 7>really needs to rebound after the NFC Championship game. He

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 7>appears to be hitting the open market. So to me,

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:56.960
<v Speaker 7>if there's big money on a big name, I'm guessing

0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 7>it'll come at defensive line, just because there seems to

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<v Speaker 7>be more support then maybe demand this year.

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<v Speaker 8>I would agree, And I think those are some fascinating names.

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 8>I mean, I think you want to be smart, you know,

0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 8>I do think the Cardinals are in a position where

0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:15.520
<v Speaker 8>they could challenge for a playoff spot next year if

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 8>they do things everything right in this offseason. But I

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 8>think the defense has to get a lot better, and

0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 8>you got to be careful. Are you going to hand

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 8>out a four or five year deal to a guy

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 8>who's twenty eight to twenty nine years old. I mean

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:30.480
<v Speaker 8>that's I think that's got to make you pause a

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:32.280
<v Speaker 8>little bit, depending on how big the deal is.

0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:35.880
<v Speaker 7>For example, Daniel Hunter aged twenty nine and he just

0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 7>had a career year sixteen and a half sacks and

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:40.880
<v Speaker 7>he led the NFL with twenty three tackles for loss.

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:45.200
<v Speaker 7>Jonathan Greener career year, had a career high in sacks

0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:48.360
<v Speaker 7>twelve and a half for Houston. Mattabike, right, he just

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 7>had a breakout season, went to the Pro Bowl. And

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<v Speaker 7>it can't help but remind you of a lesson learned

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<v Speaker 7>with Jordan Phillips a few years ago, who had a

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<v Speaker 7>breakout contract year for the Bills, came to the Cardinals

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<v Speaker 7>big money. Thankfully it was only a two year deal

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<v Speaker 7>because it didn't work out. But we were talking to

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<v Speaker 7>Kyle Vannerbosch, former Cardinal and Cardinals analyst on the airs

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 7>on a Cardinals radio network, and he was talking about,

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<v Speaker 7>you know what, you don't need to look at their

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<v Speaker 7>best year as a free agent. You need to look

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 7>at their worst year that you look at. You don't

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 7>look at the ceiling. You look at the floor to

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 7>try and get an understanding of what you're getting. And

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<v Speaker 7>if i'mani ousten Ford, yeah that's a tough assessment. Okay,

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:28.719
<v Speaker 7>who am I getting? And why are they playing? Are

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<v Speaker 7>they strictly playing in a contract year for the big money?

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<v Speaker 7>And if we give him that money, what happens next?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, and again, guys who hit the free agent market

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 8>and their current team isn't willing to give them that money,

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:42.240
<v Speaker 8>that's always going to make me pause. Chris Jones is

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<v Speaker 8>a little different of a situation because of Patrick Mahomes's

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<v Speaker 8>contract and some of the other issues the Chiefs have

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:51.280
<v Speaker 8>because they've been so successful. But Chris Jones is also

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<v Speaker 8>somebody who, as long as he doesn't get too old

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 8>too fast, I believe is going to be a really

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:59.040
<v Speaker 8>good player. Hunter's another guy. He might have had statistically

0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 8>a career year, but we are I knew Danielle Hunter

0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:05.080
<v Speaker 8>was one of the best edge rushers and that's why

0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 8>there was an issue this year. He wasn't gonna play

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 8>at first, he wanted to be traded, and he finally

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 8>came into an understanding with the Vikings, and he balled

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 8>out to make sure he got the money he thinks

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:16.719
<v Speaker 8>he deserves.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's been a really good player too.

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 7>A year ago, you saw Mania sap Fort entered the

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:25.400
<v Speaker 7>second and third stage a free agency. Kiser White came

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:27.680
<v Speaker 7>in that second stage of free agency, a yelled of

0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 7>Froholt who ended up starting every single game at center

0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 7>second stage. You know Will Hernandez a couple of years

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:36.680
<v Speaker 7>ago was in that second stage, and you really you

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 7>got a good deal on Will Hernandez and then re

0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 7>upped him. But then a guy like an LJ. Collier,

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 7>a Carlos Watkins who really played well in such a

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:48.240
<v Speaker 7>limited sample size. Both guys were done by the end

0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:51.560
<v Speaker 7>of September. But when you need d Lineman and those

0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 7>guys proved themselves in a very short term basis, how

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<v Speaker 7>do you assess some of those Cardinals free agents in

0:33:57.560 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 7>the likelihood they might be back.

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<v Speaker 8>Well for me, if you're trying to bolster that defensive line,

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<v Speaker 8>if you believe what you saw out of Collier and

0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 8>Watkins was worth bringing back, I would try and bring

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 8>them back because they're not gonna cost very much money,

0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:13.000
<v Speaker 8>and you can't replace everybody on the defensive line, not

0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:16.360
<v Speaker 8>that they have to, but I mean you've got Jonathan

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 8>Ledbetter who's coming off in ACL now, you needed to

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 8>improve that whole group anyways. I mean, there's some work

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:25.959
<v Speaker 8>to do on that defensive line that you're not gonna

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 8>be able to do with one big free agent signing

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:30.879
<v Speaker 8>or one blue chip draft pick. You're gonna need more

0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 8>guys than that. The other thing to remember, especially when

0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:35.759
<v Speaker 8>it comes to defense. I'm not saying you don't get

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:38.600
<v Speaker 8>a blue chip defensive lineman that can wreck the game.

0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:43.479
<v Speaker 8>But again, when you're talking about spending a super high

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 8>pick on somebody or spending a lot of money in

0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 8>freegency especially, you're gonna be rotating out the linebackers. You're

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 8>gonna be rotating out the edge guys. You're gonna be

0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:54.480
<v Speaker 8>rotating out the defensive line. Now, I'm not saying a

0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:56.880
<v Speaker 8>really good guy isn't gonna get more snaps than maybe

0:34:57.080 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 8>they did this year. But if that's Nick Rolis's philosophy,

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:01.880
<v Speaker 8>that you're going to rotate these guys all the time,

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 8>how much are you going to give them if you're

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<v Speaker 8>only going to play them sixty percent of the snaps.

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 7>Cardinals played Chicago late in the season, and I think

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:12.279
<v Speaker 7>once you saw Montes sweating when he did for that

0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:15.400
<v Speaker 7>Bears defense, you understood the value of a number one

0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 7>pass rush that guy off the edge. They gave him

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 7>a high second round pick and they paid him big money,

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 7>but he really set the defense.

0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Agreed.

0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:26.399
<v Speaker 7>Once upon a time, Chandler Jones did the same thing

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 7>for the Cardinals. Once you give an offensive coordinator that

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 7>guy he has to game plan for, and then it's

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 7>amazing how much opens up for everyone else, and it

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 7>just sets your defense. As for offense as vexing as

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:40.080
<v Speaker 7>it was Hollywood Brown this past season. How many deep

0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:42.439
<v Speaker 7>shot touchdowns they missed to Hollywood Brown by my count

0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:46.080
<v Speaker 7>at least four. The fact his stats were suppressed and

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<v Speaker 7>he ended the year being injured, do you think that

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<v Speaker 7>helps the Cardinals maybe trying to resign him if nothing else,

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:52.719
<v Speaker 7>maybe on a one year, proved deal. We're allowed to

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 7>talk about that. How realistic do you think that is?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, I don't know what's going through Hollywood's mind,

0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 8>and I don't know what the the market might look like.

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:04.360
<v Speaker 8>I will say this, if you're the Cardinals and you

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 8>want to draft a blue chip wide receiver. If you're

0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 8>Hollywood Brown, do you want to do your prove it

0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:13.840
<v Speaker 8>deal in a place where Michael Wilson's up and coming

0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 8>and they just drafted a blue chip receiver?

0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 1>How much are you going to be able to prove it?

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<v Speaker 7>And Trey McBride's getting ten targets a game.

0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:22.280
<v Speaker 8>So I think all of that could play into a factor.

0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 8>But again, Hollywood Brown's got to make that decision long

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:25.400
<v Speaker 8>before the draft.

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:29.080
<v Speaker 7>That's true, and he has that relationship with Kyler Murray,

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 7>so we'll see. Hey, Raminer, you can listen to your

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:33.960
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0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:41.759
<v Speaker 7>Asycardinals dot com slash podcasts. All right, you heard what

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.280
<v Speaker 7>Drew stand had to say earlier about the Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 7>We'll get into that next. The Niners and the Chiefs,

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 7>and if you're the forty nine ers, be afraid, be

0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:53.520
<v Speaker 7>very afraid of when Patrick Mahomes is deemed an underdog.

0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:56.800
<v Speaker 7>That is next. It is the Big Red Rage presented

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<v Speaker 7>by Santan Ford in Gilbert.

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<v Speaker 12>It has got it and the forty nine ers are

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<v Speaker 12>going to the Super Bowl. Bet on red Foever, Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 12>Come on, Christian McCaffrey's going to his first Super Bowl,

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<v Speaker 12>Rock Verd. He's going going for Super Bowl. The forty

0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:25.799
<v Speaker 12>nine Ers have won this crazy championship game and they

0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:27.320
<v Speaker 12>are going to the Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 6>This game is over, and you can doubt the Chiefs.

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:35.360
<v Speaker 6>You can dislike the Chiefs, you can disrespect the Chiefs.

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:38.279
<v Speaker 6>You're gonna have to deal with the Chiefs being the

0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 6>AFC champions for the fourth time in five seasons. The

0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:46.120
<v Speaker 6>Chiefs have the Lamar Hunt Trophy and they're taking it

0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:48.279
<v Speaker 6>to Vegas for Super Bowl fifty eight.

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<v Speaker 7>About it, Mitch Oltis Chiefs Radio, preceded by Greg Papa,

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:57.520
<v Speaker 7>Tim Ryan Niners Radio. The final calls in the championship game,

0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 7>setting up Super Bowl fifty eight, a rematch from four

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<v Speaker 7>years ago. And Darren, I hate to inform the forty

0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:07.200
<v Speaker 7>nine Ers, but Patrick mahomes all time as an underdog

0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:11.239
<v Speaker 7>is nine to three, and he has said this week,

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.040
<v Speaker 7>and I'm quoting, it's kind of lit a fire under

0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:18.439
<v Speaker 7>some guys, including myself. So an ultramotivated Patrick Mahomes going

0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:20.799
<v Speaker 7>into this game, I figure it's going to be tough

0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:23.280
<v Speaker 7>to beat. Where do you stand, right now in this matchup,

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:25.399
<v Speaker 7>because we both know the forty nine ers real well

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:28.560
<v Speaker 7>being in the Cardinals Division against a Kansas City team

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:30.960
<v Speaker 7>that has been a stalwart on Super Sunday.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, I think, ultimately I do like the Chiefs

0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:40.680
<v Speaker 8>because of Patrick Mahomes, and that's not necessarily dissing brock Purty,

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<v Speaker 8>but it's really really hard after this march through the

0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:46.440
<v Speaker 8>postseason that the Chiefs have had to think he's not

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:48.960
<v Speaker 8>going to figure out another way. And if the forty

0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:51.400
<v Speaker 8>nine Ers defense was as strong as it may have

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 8>been in a couple of their other Super Bowl appearances, maybe,

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<v Speaker 8>but the forty nine Ers defense seems like it can

0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:01.880
<v Speaker 8>be had at times, and I think that helps the Chiefs.

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 8>And I think the Chiefs defense is pretty good. Now

0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 8>they've got some injuries that'll be interesting to see how

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:12.919
<v Speaker 8>the Kansas City and Steve Spagnola deal with.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, there's the Chiefs reminded me.

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<v Speaker 8>And obviously the Cardinals didn't win in two thousand and eight,

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:21.120
<v Speaker 8>but the Chiefs remind me a lot of the Cardinals

0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:23.279
<v Speaker 8>in two thousand and eight in terms of, like, by

0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:24.960
<v Speaker 8>the end of the season, you were wondering how far

0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:26.799
<v Speaker 8>they were going to go in the playoffs a little

0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:30.359
<v Speaker 8>different situation. I get it, But ultimately, not only did

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:32.399
<v Speaker 8>they do really well and get to the Super Bowl,

0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:34.759
<v Speaker 8>but they very well could have won it. And that

0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 8>kind of It's always about who's playing the best football,

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<v Speaker 8>and I just don't feel like the forty nine ers

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 8>are playing the better football than the Chiefs.

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<v Speaker 7>I would agree with that Chiefs are definitely playing their

0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 7>best ball of the year. For example, they led the

0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:47.680
<v Speaker 7>NFL and drop passes forty four during the regular season.

0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:50.200
<v Speaker 7>They had zero in the AFC Championship. They're just playing

0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:54.000
<v Speaker 7>really clean football right now. The Niners are not, especially

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:56.440
<v Speaker 7>the Niners defense. To your point, Kansas City had the

0:39:56.520 --> 0:39:58.880
<v Speaker 7>number two total defense in the NFL, but the last

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<v Speaker 7>two games of the forty nine they've given up a

0:40:00.960 --> 0:40:04.160
<v Speaker 7>combined one hundred and eighty two yards rushing. Actually that

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:07.560
<v Speaker 7>was just in the NFC Championship, and they obviously gave

0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:09.840
<v Speaker 7>up a lot of rushing yards against Green Bay. So

0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 7>between a hard charging Isaiah Pacheco, who runs as hard

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 7>as anyone in the league pound for pound, and what

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:19.800
<v Speaker 7>Travis Kelcey has been doing, forget all the tailor swift

0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:22.680
<v Speaker 7>stuff for a minute, he's been unstoppable and against Baltimore

0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:25.200
<v Speaker 7>eleven catches on eleven targets for a touchdown or over

0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:27.759
<v Speaker 7>one hundred yards receiving. What did the Niners do to

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:30.400
<v Speaker 7>try and check and neutralize Travis Kelcey?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I mean, that's a great question, and I'm not

0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:35.359
<v Speaker 8>really sure how that is gonna go. And and don't

0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:37.319
<v Speaker 8>get me wrong, the forty nine Ers have a very

0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:39.879
<v Speaker 8>good team. I understand why they're favored. I think it's

0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:42.920
<v Speaker 8>like two points, so it's basically a pick them. And

0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:44.879
<v Speaker 8>am I gonna be surprised if the forty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Ers win this game? Absolutely not. I do think it'll

0:40:48.880 --> 0:40:49.320
<v Speaker 1>be close.

0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:52.920
<v Speaker 8>And and to me, it's it's I want to see

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:56.960
<v Speaker 8>can this forty nine Ers offense really get a rhythm

0:40:57.080 --> 0:41:00.160
<v Speaker 8>against this Chiefs defense, which is really good, because I

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:03.000
<v Speaker 8>I think that's as well as the Chiefs have been playing,

0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:05.759
<v Speaker 8>it's not like they're scoring a ton of points. They

0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:08.120
<v Speaker 8>are still using their defense to get to where they

0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 8>want to go.

0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 7>In brock Purty, look, he had the game winning drive

0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:14.640
<v Speaker 7>obviously against Green Bay, and then he had the big

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:16.920
<v Speaker 7>comeback after being down twenty four to seven and a

0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:20.040
<v Speaker 7>half against Detroit in the NFC Championship. So for a

0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:23.239
<v Speaker 7>young quarterback, he's been in the spotlight, there's been high

0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:26.399
<v Speaker 7>pressure moments and he's come through. But once again it's

0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:29.120
<v Speaker 7>a Niners defensive Former Cardinals head coach Steve Wilks the

0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:33.399
<v Speaker 7>Niners defensive coordinators saying, quite honestly, it was embarrassing. How

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:34.920
<v Speaker 7>do you have a lack of effort in the NFC

0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 7>Championship game? And at least for the niners sake, Chase

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:40.160
<v Speaker 7>Young came out and owned it because there were some

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:42.479
<v Speaker 7>film clips where he looked really bad.

0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:45.320
<v Speaker 8>Well, you know again, I think it's going to be

0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:47.680
<v Speaker 8>hard not to have the effort in the Super Bowl.

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:50.279
<v Speaker 8>I'm wondering if they were got a little high on

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:52.959
<v Speaker 8>themselves after beating the Packers and having a home game

0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:56.480
<v Speaker 8>and the Lions. The Lions are the Lions, and that

0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 8>they there's a good chance they underestimated him and they

0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:02.360
<v Speaker 8>got out of it. I'll go back. I thought it

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 8>was interesting where Drew Stanton said that if he could

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:07.359
<v Speaker 8>give advice to Brock Purty is when he goes out there,

0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 8>it'll remember it's just a football game, because I don't

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.480
<v Speaker 8>know Brock Purty at all. Okay, I don't know how

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 8>he internalizes things. Obviously, he's got to do a pretty

0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:18.480
<v Speaker 8>good job of it to play NFL quarterback at the

0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:22.000
<v Speaker 8>high level that he has played. But if you turn

0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:25.720
<v Speaker 8>the ball over early, if you fall behind ten nothing,

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<v Speaker 8>how does he handle that? Does it cross his mind?

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<v Speaker 8>Oh my god, everybody's going to be wondering why I'm not,

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<v Speaker 8>yep doing this.

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<v Speaker 7>I told this story earlier in the week's Super Bowl

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<v Speaker 7>forty three Cardinals in Tampa. It's game day and I

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<v Speaker 7>was on the last bus to the stadium. Players were

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<v Speaker 7>on that same bus, and I've never ever been on

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<v Speaker 7>a team bus with that much tension. You could cut

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<v Speaker 7>the nerves with a knife, right, And all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 7>the last guy on, and I don't know if this

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<v Speaker 7>was by design or not, Kurt Warner, and he walked

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<v Speaker 7>down without a care in the world. And it's as

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<v Speaker 7>if the whole bus exhaled. Everyone sort of channeled themselves

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<v Speaker 7>to Kurt Warner, and they reminded themselves, Oh, yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 7>been here and done this, and guess what, he's not

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<v Speaker 7>overly amped up. He's not ultra nervous. Why am I nervous?

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<v Speaker 7>Kurt Warner? He's got this for us, and so maybe,

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<v Speaker 7>just maybe the Niners and Kyle Shanahan's experience will rub off.

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<v Speaker 7>We'll see. I'll just say this, it's a crazy stat

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<v Speaker 7>but the past three teams in NFL history to be

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<v Speaker 7>favored in every game in a season, regular season of postseason,

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<v Speaker 7>every one of them lost the Super Bowl. The twenty

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<v Speaker 7>seventeen and two thousand and seven Patriots and the two

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<v Speaker 7>thousand and one Rams all were favored in every game

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<v Speaker 7>all season long, and every one of them lost the

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<v Speaker 7>Super Bowl. And you can't tell me that an ultramotivated

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<v Speaker 7>Patrick Mahomes isn't gonna come out there. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 7>you know it's a crazy statu of Patrick Mahonssey. You

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<v Speaker 7>realize when you get that quarterback. Prior to Mahomes, the

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<v Speaker 7>Kansas City chief since a merger had been four and

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<v Speaker 7>sixteen in the playoffs. Ever since Mahomes is a starter,

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<v Speaker 7>they're fourteen and three in the postseason.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, and the other thing too, is and I'm not

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<v Speaker 8>saying this is necessarily playing in Obviously, the Chiefs very

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<v Speaker 8>badly want to win this game, and they have many

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<v Speaker 8>players I'm sure that don't have a ring yet.

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<v Speaker 1>However, if the Chiefs lose No.

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<v Speaker 8>One, Everybody's still going to say they're a great team.

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<v Speaker 8>Everybody's still going to say Patrick Mahomes is the best

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<v Speaker 8>quarterback in the league, all these things. If the forty

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<v Speaker 8>nine Ers lose Kyle Shanahan. This brought pretty that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>I do feel there is a crap ton more pressure

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<v Speaker 8>on the forty nine Ers and the Chiefs.

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<v Speaker 7>I like Nick Bosa work in the media and maybe

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<v Speaker 7>working the officials. When he has asked what he thought

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<v Speaker 7>of the Kansas City old line, he said, quote, they

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<v Speaker 7>hold a lot. So we'll see. Niners have so much

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<v Speaker 7>invested in that front seven, can they be the difference

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<v Speaker 7>against a really good Kansas City offensive line, which, by

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<v Speaker 7>the way, did lead the NFL and enforced holding penalties

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<v Speaker 7>this year. So we'll see how it comes down into

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<v Speaker 7>the trenches. Darren Urban, thank you. Special thanks to Drew

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<v Speaker 7>Stanton for joining us. Special thanks as always, Jim Almahondro,

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<v Speaker 7>Cody Fincher, Aliy Narini. Once again show number fifty in

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<v Speaker 7>the history of the Big Red Rage, which goes back

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<v Speaker 7>to two thousand and one season twenty four and it's

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<v Speaker 7>been a pleasure every step of the way. The Big

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<v Speaker 7>Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are

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