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Speaker 2: Open to episode number four twenty three of the Marine
Speaker 2: Layer Podcast. We'll look at some potential Mariners trade target
Speaker 2: switch the deadline a month away.
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Speaker 2: Let's get it rolling and you welcome you to this
Speaker 2: episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just
Speaker 2: Baseball podcast network, recording here on Tuesday night, June thirtieth,
Speaker 2: and Lyle, all I have to say is what a
Speaker 2: week for the Seattle Mariners. And it had nothing to
Speaker 2: do with the fact they won the last two games.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, do you mean that in a
Speaker 1: good way or another way?
Speaker 2: All of the above. I mean, we can't argue the
Speaker 2: fact they won two games. They did win two games
Speaker 2: against an embarrassingly bad Angels team who just fired their GM. Finally,
Speaker 2: I don't know how perriman as still had a job
Speaker 2: enduring the season, but you know, apparently the expectations were
Speaker 2: higher than fourth place in the AL West so or
Speaker 2: last place. I think they're in last place, so I.
Speaker 1: Mean, it couldn't have been their fans that wanted him fired, right,
Speaker 1: fans aren't a priority to the Angels.
Speaker 2: But no, winning baseball games is not a priority to
Speaker 2: the Angels. Oh yeah, the fans are a priority to
Speaker 2: the Angels. That's why they want to keep all their
Speaker 2: players instead of trying to trade them to get prospects
Speaker 2: to win more games.
Speaker 1: Oh right, that's what it is. Already claims he pulled
Speaker 1: all his fans and that winning baseball games was like
Speaker 1: sixth on the priority list.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three, Ardy Moreno understood that the Angels
Speaker 2: fan base wanted to watch Sho hee O Tani for
Speaker 2: two more months instead of trading for franchise altering pieces.
Speaker 1: I mean, they could have gotten Junior Camonaro and they
Speaker 1: were like no.
Speaker 2: And the great thing about Angels fans is that they
Speaker 2: can drive an hour north and watch Show Hay still
Speaker 2: they can.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's amazing. Oh boy, oh the Angels. Where do
Speaker 1: we want to start? Because yes, they won two games,
Speaker 1: Thank god, they beat the Angels in the first two games.
Speaker 1: Now they have this weird off day here on Wednesday
Speaker 1: because of the World Cup, and the series will finish
Speaker 1: on Thursday. But I guess to their credit, they did
Speaker 1: get to Jose Soriano as the start ended up getting
Speaker 1: later and later into the ballgame, and Jose Soriano at
Speaker 1: least had a good start to the season. Well, they
Speaker 1: had a phenomenal start to the season. Then he's tailed
Speaker 1: off a bit as of late. But they got to
Speaker 1: a guy who's had some good success this year. That's
Speaker 1: the good part of it.
Speaker 2: And most importantly, I mean most importantly, we saw offense.
Speaker 2: That's what we saw, right. The offense had been shit
Speaker 2: for too long, and the Mariners came back home and
Speaker 2: they had a solid offensive night with a lot of power.
Speaker 2: On Monday night, Cole Young hit two tanks. Dude, we
Speaker 2: keep saying it. I mean, Cole Young's power is super
Speaker 2: underrated for the stature he is. Him leaning into a baseball,
Speaker 2: it doesn't go as far. It goes further than you
Speaker 2: would think. When that second home run he crushed to
Speaker 2: have like the no doubt reaction from Aaron Goldsmith right away,
Speaker 2: almost like almost like the shock where it's like, holy shit,
Speaker 2: this dude crushed that ball.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny you watch him hit baseballs like that,
Speaker 1: and you watch him take BP and some of the
Speaker 1: baseballs he sends out of the art in batting practice,
Speaker 1: and you'd say this guy could hit twenty five home
Speaker 1: runs as a second basement, But he doesn't really seem
Speaker 1: like in game he's wired to do that. It's just
Speaker 1: when he runs into him, he can hit him a
Speaker 1: long way.
Speaker 2: He's not gonna be a guy who's gonna be at
Speaker 2: the plate and crush Baseball's like Katel Marte consistently as
Speaker 2: a second baseman. But you're right, Yeah, when he puts
Speaker 2: a barrel on the ball and elevates it, then you're
Speaker 2: gonna see it go really far. And then I think
Speaker 2: another really impressive thing from Monday Night was watching that
Speaker 2: swing Dom can Zone put on a fastball against a lefty,
Speaker 2: because we've been asking, all right, who's gonna hit lefties,
Speaker 2: who's gonna hit lefties? And Dom while he's hit lefties,
Speaker 2: we've highlighted how it's not like a perfect offensive profile
Speaker 2: against lefties this season. But this man got a center
Speaker 2: cut fastball and absolutely shit on it and crushed it
Speaker 2: over the fence in center field. So I you know,
Speaker 2: I did love to see that. And then we saw
Speaker 2: kind of the opposite here on Tuesday night with the
Speaker 2: Mariners just hit a bunch of singles. People were asking
Speaker 2: for small ball, Lyle. They got their small ball on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: They had a nine batter inning followed up by an
Speaker 2: eight batter inning, back to back innings, So I mean,
Speaker 2: you'll take that, and that put the game out of reach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was death by a thousand paper cuts on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: but you know what, it was offense. It was strung
Speaker 1: together offense, and it was a pair win. So thank goodness.
Speaker 1: I think it's time for Canzone to start playing every
Speaker 1: day at least for now.
Speaker 2: So he's your everyday d from now on.
Speaker 1: Especially with Rob Refsnider now on the IL. Just play
Speaker 1: them every day.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this because we're gonna highlight lots
Speaker 2: of trade targets and shocker, a lot of these trade targets.
Speaker 2: Would DH against a left handed pitcher? Does that weigh you?
Speaker 2: Does that like make you sway a little bit from
Speaker 2: the guys we are going to talk about.
Speaker 1: No, because on those days, if you want said player
Speaker 1: you're gonna trade for. In the lineup, you have Randy
Speaker 1: and left Obviously Rayley would be on the bench, and
Speaker 1: then one of can Zone slash slash acquired player would
Speaker 1: be in right field and the other with DH. It
Speaker 1: can work, It.
Speaker 2: Could, You're right, it could work. But if dom Kin
Speaker 2: Zone is that good against lefties, they're gonna have to
Speaker 2: find a way to get him in the lineup every day.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's in Victor Roebliss's spot that I mean,
Speaker 2: they like playing Victor Robliss because of the defense, but
Speaker 2: the bat has been atrocious.
Speaker 1: That's and that's what I'm getting at. If you go
Speaker 1: trade for one of the guys we're gonna highlight in
Speaker 1: today's episode one of these established right handed bats, then yeah,
Speaker 1: Roeblaze is gonna be the one that loses playing time.
Speaker 1: Can Zone's hitting two well against lefties, and the guys
Speaker 1: you'd be trading for are established big leaguers who crush lefties.
Speaker 2: So yes, and you know what, You've already sacrificed the
Speaker 2: defense on this team, so you might as well just
Speaker 2: go all the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. If you need Roblaze late for defense, you
Speaker 1: can still put them in the game late. So there's
Speaker 1: a way to make it work. I would always have
Speaker 1: a well. I would also say, before we get to
Speaker 1: all the trade targets, there are a couple other stories
Speaker 1: to talk about, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were some. It was a very entertaining week
Speaker 2: at the ballpark, both on the field and off the field,
Speaker 2: with some things that meritors fans had very very strong
Speaker 2: reactions to. Both happened on Monday. Let's start. Let's start
Speaker 2: with Justin Hollander on Monday. So he did mention a
Speaker 2: couple injuries before we'll talk about like the main subject
Speaker 2: of this of this this discussion. So Dom is dealing
Speaker 2: with a hamstring like I'm given that he's dhing. I
Speaker 2: think will mostly be fine. The Rayleigh injury is kind
Speaker 2: of unfortunate. I wonder if that's been a mostly this
Speaker 2: month thing. Given he's been pretty bad this month, and
Speaker 2: it would make sense if he's trying to play through
Speaker 2: an injury like he did last year, that he would
Speaker 2: really struggle. And the people finally get what they want
Speaker 2: with Rob resthsnunder. There's a move for Rob Refsnyder, but
Speaker 2: he goes on the injured list. I'm gonna be out,
Speaker 2: like I really do like the ref Snyder move to
Speaker 2: the injured list, and it's before someone skews it and says, TJ,
Speaker 2: you're happy Rob refs Snyder's hurt. No, I'm not happy
Speaker 2: that he's hurt. But what this allows Rob Refsnyder to do.
Speaker 2: If the priority for the Mariners was to not put him,
Speaker 2: was to not cut him, they didn't want to cut him.
Speaker 2: They're like, we need to extract something out of this,
Speaker 2: and we think he can still hit well. I think
Speaker 2: it's great that he gets to, you know, rest a
Speaker 2: little bit and then he could get a full twenty
Speaker 2: eight days thirty days down in Triple A to get
Speaker 2: at bats every single day against both righty's and lefties
Speaker 2: before coming back and giving it one last shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. In other words, for those that don't want to
Speaker 1: see any more Rob Refsnider, in the lineup, which I
Speaker 1: know is a lot of Mariners fans. At this point,
Speaker 1: I think you've got a good six to eight weeks
Speaker 1: before you have to see him again, because I would
Speaker 1: guess he is going to be resting until at least
Speaker 1: the All Star break. I think they said there's a
Speaker 1: chance he goes down to Arizona for a little bit
Speaker 1: and just rests and gets to recover and gets to
Speaker 1: rehab a little bit, and then if he's going to
Speaker 1: take a full month long rehab assignment, let's just say
Speaker 1: he rests until the All Star break and then gets
Speaker 1: back into action again. I mean that could be the
Speaker 1: middle of August he's back. If he takes a month
Speaker 1: off a rest and then takes a month of a
Speaker 1: rehab assignment, well then you don't see him till September.
Speaker 1: So I think for now there's not gonna be a
Speaker 1: whole lot of Rob Refsnyder. He is going to try
Speaker 1: and get back on track. And if he does, and
Speaker 1: if he's healthy, maybe, and it's a very strong emphasis
Speaker 1: on the maybe at the end of the year he
Speaker 1: provides them just something at some point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the redemption story.
Speaker 1: Does this just feel like a guy that if they
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. For the season he's had and now
Speaker 1: he's gonna miss time with the injury. Does this not
Speaker 1: feel like the guy that somehow comes up clutching a
Speaker 1: playoff game at some point?
Speaker 2: I'd love that. I mean, if you want to look
Speaker 2: at it from the pitcher perspective, Bryce Miller sucked for
Speaker 2: most of last year and he was also hurt and
Speaker 2: then came back to the postseasons. Was him and Kirby
Speaker 2: are their two most reliable pitchers in the playoffs?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think about Adam Fraser, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: he was he was really bad when he was in
Speaker 1: Seattle in twenty two, but he had the biggest hit
Speaker 1: of the season.
Speaker 2: M hm, it's possible. I want you to think about
Speaker 2: it this way. If you're listening to this, this is
Speaker 2: essentially you optioning Rob Refschneider to the minors without and
Speaker 2: getting around the fact he doesn't actually have an option
Speaker 2: right to send him down, right, So it kind of
Speaker 2: works out. What Rob Refsnender probably needs right now is
Speaker 2: two healthy knees and maybe sixty played appearances. Again, it's
Speaker 2: triple A pitching in the PCL, right, I think that
Speaker 2: would do? I think I would do wonders for him all.
Speaker 1: Are we ready to get to the other parts of
Speaker 1: the quotes of the week.
Speaker 2: Well, Justin Hollander, besides the injuries, also had a statement
Speaker 2: he gave before the injuries. There is a clip out
Speaker 2: there if you want to go find it and watch
Speaker 2: the whole thing. Low and I are not going to
Speaker 2: rehash it word for word, but Justin Hollander was expressing
Speaker 2: some frustration for the discourse about the Mariner's injuries and
Speaker 2: people attacking the Mariners trainers online and blaming the training
Speaker 2: staff and saying they should be fired. So while Justin
Speaker 2: Hollander has every right to defend his training staff and
Speaker 2: Lolo and I have never once have blamed the training
Speaker 2: staff for anything because the training staff can never prevent injuries.
Speaker 2: It's just that's not how injuries work. You can't just
Speaker 2: snap your fingers and prevent injuries. Otherwise every team would
Speaker 2: be one hundred percent healthy. But Justin Hollander was calling
Speaker 2: out in his words the lunatic fringe on on Twitter
Speaker 2: is pretty much what he said, and it didn't sit
Speaker 2: very well with those accounts who found the video and
Speaker 2: then started biring off tweets.
Speaker 1: So let me just say two things. I'm totally with you.
Speaker 1: I do not at all blame the training staff or
Speaker 1: any injuries that have happened. I actually believe it's a
Speaker 1: very good training staff, and Hollander went into detail about that.
Speaker 1: I think that part's all true. And I think these
Speaker 1: players do really appreciate the job that they do and
Speaker 1: the work that they put in. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: doubt any of that. Where this loses me is essentially
Speaker 1: publicly taking time and carving out time to essentially try
Speaker 1: to fight back with Twitter trolls that don't use a
Speaker 1: face on their ounce. That's where you're losing me. Like, now,
Speaker 1: it'd be one thing if it was actually people in
Speaker 1: the Mariner's media doing this. That's different. If it was
Speaker 1: some of the Beat reporters or the TV reporters, which
Speaker 1: it's not, and this is not the situation that is
Speaker 1: at hand because it's not those people doing that, that'd
Speaker 1: be a little different.
Speaker 2: Or really any public facing figure with like like a
Speaker 2: real person online.
Speaker 1: Right again, if it was anybody in the media, that's different.
Speaker 1: These Twitter trolls that have five to six hundred followers
Speaker 1: and aren't using faces like that, that's what you're spending
Speaker 1: your time publicly getting mad at feels like a bit
Speaker 1: of a waste of energy to me. I understand you
Speaker 1: probably feel the need to defend these guys if they're
Speaker 1: getting called out online, but you can't reason with Twitter trolls. Man.
Speaker 1: That's why they're Twitter trolls. They're never gonna have to
Speaker 1: face the music. So when you tell them that you're
Speaker 1: seeing this stuff, they're only gonna like that only adds
Speaker 1: fuel to the fire. And it added fuel to the
Speaker 1: fire on Monday because all these accounts saw it and
Speaker 1: just ran with it, and they were like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: he's admitting, like the GM of our baseball team's admitting
Speaker 1: he's online.
Speaker 2: He's online and he's seeing our stuff. So I'm gonna
Speaker 2: start to tweet more, right right, Think about it like this,
Speaker 2: it's Mariner's GM goes after Mariner's Twitter trolls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Go back to March and say that sentence here on
Speaker 2: June thirtieth.
Speaker 1: Mariner's GM goes after Twitter trill. I can't even say
Speaker 1: it with a straight face.
Speaker 2: And we could talk about this from our perspective too,
Speaker 2: Like in this sense, justin Hollander and us are the same,
Speaker 2: Like we're in the same spot. There are people who
Speaker 2: are nasty to us online. But you and I know,
Speaker 2: and we've always lived by this from our perspective, you
Speaker 2: cannot you cannot let anybody, any of those people know
Speaker 2: that you are seeing their stuff, because as soon as
Speaker 2: you tell them that, they're gonna keep doing it, and
Speaker 2: they're gonna do it more and perhaps do it worse.
Speaker 2: So if you never acknowledge that those things exist, then
Speaker 2: it's essentially them shouting into a void and maybe they'll
Speaker 2: just stop right.
Speaker 1: Also, again with these faceless accounts, so many of them
Speaker 1: are essentially high schoolers. They're high schoolers that think it's
Speaker 1: funny to say whatever they want because they're not gonna
Speaker 1: face repercussions. That's the thing about a lot of these
Speaker 1: Twitter trolls, or some of them adults, Yeah, they are
Speaker 1: a lot of them are immature high school kids or
Speaker 1: are just like, yeah, I'm just gonna say whatever I want.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have to face any repercussions. It's
Speaker 1: a burner account, so yeah, like sure, we I mean,
Speaker 1: what you sign up for when you get into content
Speaker 1: is you know there's gonna be people out there that
Speaker 1: are just gonna be assholes, and the replies it's it's
Speaker 1: even if you're the nicest people on planet Earth. It's
Speaker 1: just what you sign up for no matter what. So
Speaker 1: you can't I will quite go as far to say
Speaker 1: you can't ever acknowledge that you see their stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: for the most part, you can't. You cannot get into
Speaker 1: wars with these people all the time. But to to
Speaker 1: really like, yeah, I will, okay, can I say this?
Speaker 2: I think Justin Hollander could have said every exact thing
Speaker 2: that he said in that statement except acknowledging who said it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, except if he said But the problem is if
Speaker 1: he says it at all, the media people will look
Speaker 1: around and say, well, who's saying this. It's it's not
Speaker 1: reporters saying it. It's not broadcasters saying it.
Speaker 2: If like, you know, you can just be saying I've
Speaker 2: been seeing a lot of stuff. That's it doesn't need
Speaker 2: to he doesn't even need to see the word online.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true if you had just.
Speaker 2: Been seeing a lot of stuff that I think is
Speaker 2: very unfair for our training staff, and I'm gonna stick
Speaker 2: up for them and say they did an amazing job.
Speaker 2: I think that would be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: I just want to talk about how amazing our training
Speaker 2: staff is and I think I think I I've seen
Speaker 2: some stuff that has been treating them very unfairly.
Speaker 1: That's fair. Yeah, I think that's right. And I'll give
Speaker 1: Hollander a little bit of a pass because usually he's
Speaker 1: actually very very good in the media and he's a
Speaker 1: good public speaker, and he says the right things and
Speaker 1: he has a good feel for people for the most part.
Speaker 1: But I will say this, could you imagine if it
Speaker 1: was Jerry that did this?
Speaker 2: It'd be ten thousand times worse.
Speaker 1: Because Jerry at this point is such a lightning rod,
Speaker 1: and so much of it as his own doing, Like
Speaker 1: he's caused this on himself over the years with some
Speaker 1: of the things he said. Could you imagine if Jerry
Speaker 1: came out and started like essentially attacking Twitter trolls like
Speaker 1: people obviously responded to Hollander and a lot of people
Speaker 1: had opinions on it. Dude, if it was Jerry, I
Speaker 1: mean talk about lighting up absolutely like pouring cars, I would.
Speaker 2: Have been a news cycle. It would not have been
Speaker 2: any of the injuries.
Speaker 1: What's that.
Speaker 2: It would have been the news cycle it wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been any of the injuries.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, it would have been like pouring kerosene on
Speaker 1: it if Jerry had done it.
Speaker 2: I like the Hollander thing. Besides the Twitter trolls themselves,
Speaker 2: it was pretty much like a non story, right right,
Speaker 2: Like we're we're sitting here talking about it because that's
Speaker 2: we were standing in that scrum listening to it, and
Speaker 2: we have and since we could relate to that a
Speaker 2: little bit, we had some thoughts on this situation. But
Speaker 2: like the grand scheme of it, it didn't make the times.
Speaker 2: I don't think it got much airtime on the radio stations.
Speaker 2: Like the only people running with that were the faceless
Speaker 2: Twitter trolls.
Speaker 1: Right, and again, we're a little bit in the door
Speaker 1: of both worlds, Like, sure, we're out at the field,
Speaker 1: but we're very much like we're not Twitter trolls, but
Speaker 1: we're very online. We're part of the online community. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's any question about that in the Mariners verse.
Speaker 1: So we see both sides of it. So yeah, look,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can never Like I'm not saying
Speaker 1: you can't ever acknowledge those accounts exist, but you really
Speaker 1: can't do it when you're the GM of a baseball team,
Speaker 1: you and I do not respond to all the Twitter
Speaker 1: trolls by any means, we don't respond to most of them.
Speaker 1: If you're in our position. This is what I was
Speaker 1: trying to say a minute ago. If you're an our position, sure,
Speaker 1: if like every now and then you acknowledge them and
Speaker 1: get and like go back and forth with them a bit.
Speaker 1: That's different when you're a podcaster GM of a team, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't really think you can publicly acknowledge that Twitter,
Speaker 1: that Twitter trolls exist and that you're seeing their stuff.
Speaker 1: That that's where you just end up fueling the fire
Speaker 1: and having them just keep going.
Speaker 2: On the record. You can't do it on the record, right,
Speaker 2: Like off the record, you could say whatever you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I know it was news to a lot
Speaker 1: of people. That is certainly not the first time we've
Speaker 1: heard that Hollander is online. I mean, yeah, and by
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 2: Or that or that this organization right now is very
Speaker 2: frustrated with their injury situation.
Speaker 1: Right and by the way, Hollander is not the only one.
Speaker 1: I'll break some news for you people, do I know,
Speaker 1: as Exac Berner could, I pointed out, Absolutely not. I
Speaker 1: never know. We're pretty sure Jerry's pretty online too. We're
Speaker 1: we're pretty sure like he sees things.
Speaker 2: They want to know what's going on.
Speaker 1: Of course, they like they want to see what people
Speaker 1: say about them. I think a lot of the players
Speaker 1: that Burner accounts too, so they want to see what
Speaker 1: people say about the team, whether it's healthy or not.
Speaker 1: They want to see the narratives sometimes. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: we have heard that again. People in the Mareative front
Speaker 1: office are online.
Speaker 2: You can say this with a lot of jobs and
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of situations. When the bigger
Speaker 2: of a public figure you are, the less you can
Speaker 2: say what you want.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: It's just that's just how it is. Right for most people.
Speaker 2: If you speak one hundred percent what's on your mind,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna You're not gonna be able to survive
Speaker 2: in a high level position. There are very, very very
Speaker 2: few exceptions to that rule.
Speaker 1: Maybe Johnny Junta.
Speaker 2: Well, I was thinking maybe a little higher than Johnny.
Speaker 1: Jokay, which, by the way, a little spoiler for Friday.
Speaker 1: Johnny had a pretty busy schedule this week. But for
Speaker 1: Friday's episode, we're not going to do a mail bag Instead,
Speaker 1: we sat down with Avery, our buddy who's part of
Speaker 1: the Gate fourteen podcast. He's Johnny's co host, and we
Speaker 1: just kind of talked through Mariners, Blue Jays and have
Speaker 1: a fun conversation about last season and a bit about
Speaker 1: this season ahead of a Blue Jays series. So Johnny
Speaker 1: was on my mind because we just tape that with
Speaker 1: Avery here on Tuesday today. But yeah, Johnny doesn't really
Speaker 1: have much of a filter. However, he is not the
Speaker 1: owner of a team or the GM of a team.
Speaker 1: He is a pot No, he is.
Speaker 2: He is a podcaster. But I am shooting above the
Speaker 2: bar of podcaster.
Speaker 1: Sure that's fair. Yeah, you're right, you can't. You can't
Speaker 1: really do that, Like, you can't really do that if
Speaker 1: you're in a high up position with a franchise. It
Speaker 1: just doesn't work.
Speaker 2: Or pretty much anything. Sure, Yeah, there are some exceptions
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: Again, if it had been if it had been Jerry,
Speaker 1: that would have been all hell breaking lose, if Jerry
Speaker 1: had been the one to call out Twitter trolls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this other thing we need to talk about before
Speaker 2: we have some fantastic trade deadline targets to jump into.
Speaker 2: It was Dan, Dude, we can't again.
Speaker 1: Dude, we like can't make it an episode without talking
Speaker 1: about this guy. I don't know. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's our own kryptonite or if it's just he just
Speaker 1: if it's just the fact that he just continues to
Speaker 1: put himself in the headlines for all the If.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take a guest lole, if there's one person
Speaker 2: in that organization who's not online, it's gotta be Dan Wilson.
Speaker 1: Oh, dude, No, I don't think he is at all.
Speaker 2: There's there is absolutely no way because when you have
Speaker 2: a game as bad as you had on Sunday and
Speaker 2: then in your in your opening statement to the media
Speaker 2: on Monday, the words good process regarding Sunday's game come
Speaker 2: off your tongue, Like again, those are just things that
Speaker 2: like can't be said.
Speaker 1: Dude. When I heard that on Monday, I was like, Internally,
Speaker 1: I was like, what, Like, there's there's no way. Those
Speaker 1: were the words being uttered out of his mouth. Again,
Speaker 1: nobody is saying we just talked about this on Monday,
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna go through the whole thing again.
Speaker 1: You do not have to throw people under the bus
Speaker 1: during your media sessions. Somebody's asking you to do that.
Speaker 1: People are just asking for a little transparency, and I'm
Speaker 1: not even saying in that situation you have to provide
Speaker 1: any transparency. If you decide to just move on from
Speaker 1: the disaster of Sunday, fine, new day, you turn over
Speaker 1: a new leaf, you're back home. Whatever the fact. You
Speaker 1: then called back Sunday's game and use the word good process,
Speaker 1: like no, feel man, no feel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the fact. You're under five hundred and you
Speaker 2: had a game with a really bad look and your
Speaker 2: offense was bad. It just it's not great, Like I
Speaker 2: think he was mostly talking about the offense. But again
Speaker 2: that's just something you can't do, like, you can't, you
Speaker 2: gotta just we're disappointed with what happened on Sunday, We're
Speaker 2: ready to turn the page. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: Like again, would we like more transparency about how he
Speaker 1: operates his bullpen, Yes, because he never explains any of it.
Speaker 1: But once what's done is done, then fine, like wrap
Speaker 1: it up and be done with it. Then on Monday
Speaker 1: you call back the game and say good process, like no, no,
Speaker 1: it was it was in fact a bad process, a
Speaker 1: really really bad process.
Speaker 2: So fans online were not very happy. No, and neither
Speaker 2: were we. No, well, I didn't even hear it the
Speaker 2: first time. Like, so, Dan's thing when his in his
Speaker 2: press conferences, as many of you know, he doesn't really
Speaker 2: say that much and he says, he says, you even
Speaker 2: if you're standing there listening to every single thing he says,
Speaker 2: he pretty much says nothing new. So I've gotten in
Speaker 2: a really bad habit. While when I'm when I'm standing there,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm the one taking video. I'm not always paying
Speaker 2: attention to all the words just full transparency. But you
Speaker 2: you come up to me after and you mentioned that word,
Speaker 2: and he's like like, oh he said that.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, you might want to
Speaker 1: listen back to what he said in his opening statem.
Speaker 1: And then you listen back You're like you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: You're like I was like, no, he said good process
Speaker 1: about Sunday. I was like, dude, like I did this
Speaker 1: guy go through media training or like what? No, it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it.
Speaker 2: I mean, if he did, it wasn't it was in
Speaker 2: the cover, not in the creatively talk about your team.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's people who make a living on
Speaker 2: pretty much saying nothing like who, Well, I guess or
Speaker 2: they're public figures, but they just don't say anything. Their
Speaker 2: job isn't a.
Speaker 1: Talk oh like the Paul Schemes of the world.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, and I mean, you know, like Col's good
Speaker 2: when he's on the when he came on with us,
Speaker 2: but he's not always the most like like it, not
Speaker 2: always the most like detailed and insightful person when he
Speaker 2: gives an interview nowadays.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes he keeps things pretty big sick when he
Speaker 1: answers questions. Cal can be very, very detailed and very creative,
Speaker 1: but it's when he chooses to be It's not all
Speaker 1: the time, You're right, yeah, but that's all.
Speaker 2: Dan Wilson does is just not not really say anything.
Speaker 2: He's consistent. It just consistently he'll say nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like nothing at all. So but then in the
Speaker 1: midst of saying nothing, the words good process about Sunday's
Speaker 1: loss come out, and it's like, well.
Speaker 2: Well again, that's why I know he's just not online,
Speaker 2: Like there's no way.
Speaker 1: Okay, but I can't believe we've got to rehash this
Speaker 1: Sunday thing again. Even if he's not online, like there was,
Speaker 1: there was nobody around him, whether it's front office or
Speaker 1: coaching staff or players or somebody that's.
Speaker 2: Like, hey, maybe it was, but they're not They're not
Speaker 2: going to be nasty directly to him.
Speaker 1: No, not to him, but don't there's nobody that said, hey,
Speaker 1: let's not do that again.
Speaker 2: Apparently not.
Speaker 1: I'm not. No, of course, nobody's gonna like getting a
Speaker 1: shouting match with him after the game, But nobody around
Speaker 1: him is like, hey, like the way Sunday was operated,
Speaker 1: it just can't ever happen again.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I'm sure there's someone in the organization that
Speaker 2: eventually said that to him, if they but.
Speaker 1: I would assume it happened in the twenty four hours
Speaker 1: since the conclusion of Sunday's game. And if that's the case,
Speaker 1: then how does he come out on Monday and talk
Speaker 1: about a good process.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's it's nuts.
Speaker 2: Asking Dan Wilson to explain most things. Is it's a
Speaker 2: lost cause. Yeah, so you're asking the question. But like
Speaker 2: the rest of us, we're still we're still out here
Speaker 2: searching for answers.
Speaker 1: Are we again? We're about to get to this trade
Speaker 1: deadline stuff. I'm doing this a little bit on the
Speaker 1: fly here.
Speaker 2: Uh oh, Are.
Speaker 1: We giving this nailor thing any attention? Are we just
Speaker 1: ignoring it because it got a lot of attention?
Speaker 2: Man, I mean, if what's alleged is true, then yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a really bad look for Josh Naylor. I don't
Speaker 2: know there is there is, Like we're right now, we
Speaker 2: have to base off like an Instagram comment, which is what?
Speaker 2: Which is an.
Speaker 1: Instagram comment from the alleged person. So like at the
Speaker 1: end of but you're right.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, it is just
Speaker 2: like an Instagram comment. Yeah, I'm not even saying he's lying,
Speaker 2: but like it's an Instagram comment from an incident that
Speaker 2: happened ten years ago.
Speaker 1: It is, but it's a little bit of a psychotic
Speaker 1: supposed incident. Oh that's all I'll say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is like like I don't know what's true,
Speaker 2: Like I don't I know Josh Nail is a bit
Speaker 2: of an oddball that I can definitely say. And we
Speaker 2: know Josh Naylor can be pretty intense at time. I
Speaker 2: don't know how he was as an eighteen year old
Speaker 2: high schooler. I don't know this. This just feels like water.
Speaker 2: I just don't really want to tread into if that's
Speaker 2: if that's all true, then that's really shitty from Josh Naylor.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I feel like that's I feel like that's
Speaker 2: a pretty blanket statement that can be said confidently by
Speaker 2: both of us.
Speaker 1: That's fair. And Davis did just go on foul territory
Speaker 1: and say, I mean, this is a guy who literally
Speaker 1: didn't say a single word to his brother in an
Speaker 1: entire game that he went up against him when he
Speaker 1: faced Cleveland. So yeah, like he can be a little
Speaker 1: bit psychotic. But look, some of you have probably seen
Speaker 1: the story because it's got millions of views online at
Speaker 1: this point. If you haven't seen the story, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can go look it up. It's on we don't
Speaker 1: have to get into it more, but it's on Twitter,
Speaker 1: it's on Instagram, Like I'm sure if you search Josh
Speaker 1: Naylor right now, the story has made its rounds, so
Speaker 1: you can find it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if there's more that comes out loud, maybe we
Speaker 2: can spend a little bit more time on it. But
Speaker 2: if that's all we have to go off of, then yeah,
Speaker 2: that's probably always I can say, sure, that's fair.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: You ready for some trade targets, Yeah for sure. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: about trade targets, but I have some bad news for you, Lyle.
Speaker 2: I don't think this trade market is very good. I
Speaker 2: think the Mariners might struggle to find exactly what they
Speaker 2: want in this trademarket.
Speaker 1: And I have one reason why why don't you lay
Speaker 1: it on me?
Speaker 2: I think the best fit on this The reason why
Speaker 2: is I think the best fit on this market is
Speaker 2: Wilson Contreras. And Wilson contres checks pretty much every box
Speaker 2: for the Mariners. He could either play first or DH,
Speaker 2: which he could slide right into the Refsnyder spot on
Speaker 2: this roster. He is absolutely mashed this year. He's been
Speaker 2: one of the most consistent hitters in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 2: I mean, he sounds like the perfect fit to fix
Speaker 2: this offense. Again, slefties, There's just one problem with Wilson Contreras, Lyle.
Speaker 2: He can't stop getting in fights. He can't stop having
Speaker 2: notifications pop up on my phone that Wilson Contreras said
Speaker 2: x or Wilson Contreras goes on Instagram and adds a
Speaker 2: fan and says, come meet me at Fenway if that's
Speaker 2: your best option on this current trademarket, lile I would
Speaker 2: say the Mariners are in a bit of trouble.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'd say that's a problem. And by the way,
Speaker 1: when he says come meet me at Fenway, that is
Speaker 1: not him reaching out to some fan to say, hey,
Speaker 1: I'd love to take a picture. That is a fan
Speaker 1: responding to the fight, calling Wilson Contrera's names, in which
Speaker 1: Cantreras then responds to the fan the random fan online
Speaker 1: calling him names and says, come meet me at Fenway
Speaker 1: like essentially square up in person?
Speaker 2: What is And Wilson Contrarest was not tagged in this comment.
Speaker 2: He was scrolling in the comments, found it and decided
Speaker 2: to respond to it.
Speaker 1: What is this guy's deal? By the way, is this
Speaker 1: Does this guy just want to be a DUBE fighter
Speaker 1: or a UFC fighter in disguise because he seems to
Speaker 1: want to go looking for fights every chance he gets.
Speaker 2: He just has drama follow him every single place he goes.
Speaker 2: It is every single time we're joking leaving the ballpark today,
Speaker 2: all right, who do we need to put on this list?
Speaker 2: And then I pull out my phone and I have
Speaker 2: a notification that says Wilson Contreras tweets at a fan.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, this should be good. I see that,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, he did not say that, not.
Speaker 1: To mention the actual fight that ensued where he chucked
Speaker 1: his helmet at somebody at k Cavali. He he really
Speaker 1: is on paper a perfect fit, and sadly and sadly,
Speaker 1: it's not happening.
Speaker 2: Didn't he didn't. Wasn't he instigating with the Yankees too?
Speaker 1: So make it the Yankees, make it, the Brewers, make
Speaker 1: it the Nationals. I mean, who's left at this point
Speaker 1: for this guy.
Speaker 2: Wasn't it the Cardinals too?
Speaker 1: He's gotten enough fight with his own former team.
Speaker 2: I don't know it was. I think it was someone else.
Speaker 2: There was definitely another team. It's happened on a biweekly
Speaker 2: basis pretty much at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, as much as we loved the idea earlier this
Speaker 2: year to trade for Wilson Contreras, like, he's not quite
Speaker 2: in the Chapman bucket in terms of past I guess
Speaker 2: past history, but not in that same bucket. Of domestic violence,
Speaker 2: but I mean the headache on the field. This team
Speaker 2: dealt with Jesse Winker, who was not Wilson Contreras at all,
Speaker 2: but was somewhat of a difficult personality. I mean, take
Speaker 2: a Jesse Winker level personality and then put it where
Speaker 2: he's stirring up the pot on the field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Jesse Winker got in one fight one time,
Speaker 1: Wilson Contreras does it basically twice a month.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, So I don't think that one's happening for
Speaker 2: the Mariners. I think that one might be a bit
Speaker 2: of a tough pill to swallow, and he's owed a
Speaker 2: lot of money, which is a problem for the next
Speaker 2: year and a half. Let's talk about who the Mariners
Speaker 2: might actually trade for, and I want to start off
Speaker 2: with the candidate that I really really like for them.
Speaker 2: Saya Suzuki could be an option. Lyle, The Cubs have
Speaker 2: been fine this season, they're right now in playoff contention,
Speaker 2: but Saya Suzuki is a pending free agent. He mashes
Speaker 2: left handed pitching, and the Cubs have a pretty dire
Speaker 2: need in their starting rotation that I don't know a
Speaker 2: team like the Mariners with too many starting pitchers could
Speaker 2: potentially help them out.
Speaker 1: With, So this is interesting. Saya is a very fascinating
Speaker 1: player for the Mariners because he's ops and eight hundred
Speaker 1: this year, he's been twenty two percent above league average
Speaker 1: with his one twenty two WRC plus, and he's really
Speaker 1: crushed left handed pitching both this season and his career.
Speaker 1: He definitely is a guy that makes sense. Is he
Speaker 1: truly available though? I mean, the Cubs are currently ten
Speaker 1: games over five hundred and they're in a wild card spot.
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago they were in a much
Speaker 1: worse spot. They were in a bit of a skid.
Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, they've picked it back up again.
Speaker 2: The Cub's issue is they have four starting pitchers on
Speaker 2: the injured list. At some point they're gonna need guys
Speaker 2: to start games, and they'll probably go into this deadline
Speaker 2: trying to upgrade, trying to upgrade their starting rotation. And
Speaker 2: it's not besides a contending team with a glaring weakness
Speaker 2: to try and go aggressively fix that. Do you remember,
Speaker 2: Lyle In twenty fourteen, the A's and Billy Beam traded
Speaker 2: Yoenna Cesspitis off their roster in an attempt to get
Speaker 2: starting pitching. The A's needed starting pitching, so they shipped
Speaker 2: Cesspatis to Boston for John Lester. They deemed that was
Speaker 2: more worthwhile to them winning that season. The Cubs could
Speaker 2: be in a very similar situation here.
Speaker 1: Here's where you run into problems. I actually think that's
Speaker 1: all well put. But I'll say two things. Saya Suzuki's
Speaker 1: been the second best hitter on the Cubs this year
Speaker 1: besides PCA. He's been second best hitter on a team
Speaker 1: that is currently in the first wildcard spot, tied with
Speaker 1: the Phillies. And which pitcher would the Mariners be trading
Speaker 1: to go get say A Suzuki. I thought originally a
Speaker 1: perfect match would be okay, the Mariners could trade Luis
Speaker 1: Castillo and get back say A Suzuki. And if you
Speaker 1: do that, it is a starter that you can afford
Speaker 1: to trade. You would be getting back a really, really
Speaker 1: effective right handed bat who could really lengthen the lineup
Speaker 1: and really provide pop in the middle of the order.
Speaker 1: But there's two factors to that. The money is significantly different.
Speaker 1: Louis Castillo's owned much more money than say A Suzuki.
Speaker 1: Because Louis has the extra year on his deal, and
Speaker 1: would the Cubs trade say As Suzuki for Luis Castillo.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: So would you have to be a little bit more
Speaker 2: aggressive to get the Cubs to listen? Would you have
Speaker 2: to potentially trade someone else?
Speaker 1: And that's where you run into more issues, right, I
Speaker 1: feel like the only guy the Mariners would be come
Speaker 1: to trading for Saya Suzuki would be Luis Castillo. Would
Speaker 1: they trade George Kirby in two and a half years
Speaker 1: of his team control for half a year of Sayas Suzuki.
Speaker 2: I think not. I don't think they would trade Kate
Speaker 2: Anderson or Ryan Sloan say as Azuki. I think that
Speaker 2: would be a stretch. I mean, even though he is
Speaker 2: the least tenured in the rotation. I don't even think
Speaker 2: the Mariners would trade Emerson Hancock for two months of
Speaker 2: Sayas Azuki on pape. Mariners love a good paper trade.
Speaker 2: They look at that trade on paper and they say
Speaker 2: they're giving up. I think three years of Emerson Hancock
Speaker 2: three years in the remaining two months of this year
Speaker 2: for two months of Sayas Azuki and Emerson Hancock has
Speaker 2: been starting every fifth or sixth day for the Mariners
Speaker 2: this year that has been has been very solid, very
Speaker 2: good at the start, and I as good recently. But
Speaker 2: you know, it's still something the Mariners could try and
Speaker 2: pitch to the Cubs, but I don't I don't know
Speaker 2: if they'd want to do it. It's a bummer because
Speaker 2: I'd say as Azuki crushed his lefties, he dominates left
Speaker 2: handed pitching. He has been so so, so good, and
Speaker 2: the Mariners could put him right into the Rob Refsneider's
Speaker 2: role of occasionally you play out field, but you're gonna
Speaker 2: DH for the most part with dom can zone.
Speaker 1: Well and say it wouldn't exactly be in ref Snyder's
Speaker 1: role because he'd be playing every day.
Speaker 2: So this is where you take opportunities away from Victor Robliss.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or whoever. Well, because but I might take reps eight.
Speaker 1: You'd probably have to take him away from Rayleigh, right
Speaker 1: because when a righty's on the mount and say it
Speaker 1: would still.
Speaker 2: Play, Yes, he would, Yeah, I think so. And there's
Speaker 2: a chance that the Mariners might throw a Luke ray
Speaker 2: another surplus on their roster to the Cubs for Saya Suzuki.
Speaker 2: How are the Cubs versus right handed pitchers this year.
Speaker 1: You can look it up on the fly. I would
Speaker 1: just say the money factor into this if you were
Speaker 1: going to try and make a trade that involved Luis
Speaker 1: Castillo and Saya Suzuki, the money factor in the money
Speaker 1: factor of this does play a real role because it's
Speaker 1: not equal length on the contracts. Luis Castillo has a
Speaker 1: year and a half left on his deal where he's
Speaker 1: getting twenty four million bucks a year, and there's the
Speaker 1: vesting option for twenty twenty eight. Now, what a vesting
Speaker 1: option means for anybody not familiar is the player and
Speaker 1: the team both have to agree to pick up the
Speaker 1: deal on the contract for that to go into effect.
Speaker 1: If one side says no, we're not interested for that season,
Speaker 1: it gets voided and the player goes to free agency.
Speaker 2: No, I think you have that mixed up. That's a
Speaker 2: mutual option. Vesting option is if I believe Louis Castio
Speaker 2: needs to throw one hundred and eighty innings next year,
Speaker 2: you're right, and then and then the option vests.
Speaker 1: You're right. It's it's on the threshold of him throwing
Speaker 1: one hundred eighty innings. Sorry, you're right. Mutual option is
Speaker 1: where both sides have to agree.
Speaker 2: Which the Cubs within look at that and see, Okay,
Speaker 2: if we're gonna put Louis Castillo in a rotation full time,
Speaker 2: we're actually taking on two years of his money. Here,
Speaker 2: we'll be two and a half, you'd be two and
Speaker 2: a half years. And if Louis Castillo was on the upswing,
Speaker 2: then the Cubs might be more enticed by that. But
Speaker 2: I don't think Louis Castillo is. That's just the issue.
Speaker 1: This feels like a tough one to pull off. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna try and trade a starting pitcher for Saye Suzuki,
Speaker 1: you might have to try to do And honestly, this
Speaker 1: is why, for as good of a fit as Sayo
Speaker 1: would be, I don't know exactly how they do it,
Speaker 1: because the Cubs again are ten games over five hundred
Speaker 1: and they're in a playoff spot. I think the only
Speaker 1: way they trade Saya is for big league talent. And
Speaker 1: I understand they're twenty fifth in baseball right now and
Speaker 1: starter's era, they have a real problem in their rotation.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if they look at Louis Castillo
Speaker 1: as the fix, and I don't know if they're willing
Speaker 1: to give up their second best hitter for Luis Castillo.
Speaker 2: So if you're gonna make this happen, you need to
Speaker 2: dangle one of your other starters to get the Cubs
Speaker 2: to listen.
Speaker 1: And I just don't think the Mariners do that for
Speaker 1: half a year of Saya Suzuki.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think. I don't think Saya Suzuki is
Speaker 2: a good enough baseball player for two months, Like there's
Speaker 2: there's one guy on this market, I think they're dangling
Speaker 2: one of their other starting pitchers for two months of they'd.
Speaker 1: Be dangling one of their other starting pitchers for another
Speaker 1: starting pitcher.
Speaker 2: Right and and his name is Trek Scooble, And like
Speaker 2: they're left handed hitting outfielders right now. I mean pca is,
Speaker 2: according to Baseball Reference, already had a five win season
Speaker 2: as ops is nearing nine hundred. Man, he's really turned
Speaker 2: it around. Good for him. And then the other one
Speaker 2: would be Ian Happ, who's also having a really good
Speaker 2: offensive season. Man, that's a bummer. Their three best hitters
Speaker 2: are all left handed. That's gonna that's gonna be a
Speaker 2: tough Like, hey, here's Luke Rayley in case you need him.
Speaker 2: Like they're like, eh, we're good.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I wouldn't say as a good player, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna match up. Unfortunately, I hope to
Speaker 1: be wrong. I don't really see how this matches up.
Speaker 2: How about a different cent team this time in the
Speaker 2: American League. Royce Lewis has had a really up and
Speaker 2: down season for the Twins this year. He's not had
Speaker 2: the best career resume, but he's only twenty seven years old.
Speaker 2: He's a former top prospect, number one overall pick, and
Speaker 2: a lot of people think that he could use a
Speaker 2: restart somewhere else. Could that research be in Seattle?
Speaker 1: There is an avenue for it. Man. So since Royce
Speaker 1: Lewis has come back from the minor league, because for
Speaker 1: those who haven't followed that closely, he was off to
Speaker 1: a really bad start this year. The Twins actually optioned
Speaker 1: him down to the minor leagues. He was crushing it
Speaker 1: down in Triple A, came back up and now in
Speaker 1: the month of June. I mean you look at Royce
Speaker 1: Lewis man and he has just been tearing it up.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a well against lefties for the
Speaker 1: month of June. Small sample, but it's like a near
Speaker 1: thirteen hundred ops. The month of June, he's ops at
Speaker 1: over eight hundred. Royce Lewis has really turned stuff around
Speaker 1: this year, and he's got two and a half years control.
Speaker 2: One twenty nine WRC plus. Since he's been back up,
Speaker 2: it's been pretty good. It was much better than it
Speaker 2: was at the beginning of the season. Just look at
Speaker 2: it in context. He is an eighty six WRC plus
Speaker 2: for a season. Yeah, it was really really tough going
Speaker 2: for him before he came back up.
Speaker 1: You want the more basic numbers for anybody out there.
Speaker 1: In the month of June, he's hitting two seventy seven,
Speaker 1: he's got five homers, and his ops is eight forty.
Speaker 1: He seems to have really had something spark since coming
Speaker 1: back from the minor leagues. But I think there's still
Speaker 1: people that believe between the the Twins being a selling
Speaker 1: ball club and Royce Lewis potentially needing a change of
Speaker 1: scenery that he could still get traded. And what's Royce
Speaker 1: Lewis's main position, It's third base.
Speaker 2: Here's where I stand on Royce Lewis. If they're going
Speaker 2: to trade for him, the idea can't be he's going
Speaker 2: to be the guy to mash lefties because He's not
Speaker 2: been that in his career at all. He's been slightly
Speaker 2: above average as a hitter against lefties in his career.
Speaker 2: It's a one owaight WRC plus Key's maybe just like
Speaker 2: an average hitter against lefties. And if the Mariners are
Speaker 2: only going out this trade deadline and trying to find
Speaker 2: a fix to their lefty weakness, like royce Lewis is
Speaker 2: not the answer. If they really believe in the upside
Speaker 2: of Royce Lewis and they think he could be a
Speaker 2: solid major league baseball player in the next couple of years,
Speaker 2: that he has control after this one, and that he
Speaker 2: could be a guy on their infield for the next
Speaker 2: couple of seasons and play third base well, Brendan Donovan
Speaker 2: plays some outfield, and you shuffle around your outfield in
Speaker 2: some other way to make everything work, then I'd be
Speaker 2: a little bit more open to that. I wonder what
Speaker 2: his price is, though I.
Speaker 1: Don't feel like it's gonna be crazy. I don't know
Speaker 1: how his trade value could be all that high for
Speaker 1: where he stands right now. And this feels like a
Speaker 1: very Mariner's target because outside of last year, when you
Speaker 1: see the Mariners operate at the trade deadline, they usually
Speaker 1: like to go and get guys that have club control.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they won't trade for another rental, and
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they shouldn't trade for another rental. They should,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean you only have to do one
Speaker 1: or the other. We'll talk about Taylor Ward here in
Speaker 1: a minute. But if you were to have a deadline
Speaker 1: where you go trade for Taylor Ward because you need
Speaker 1: a right handed bat for this season, and then you're
Speaker 1: willing to take a bit of a long term experiment
Speaker 1: on Royce Lewis, yeah, I'd be pretty open to that.
Speaker 1: I'd be pretty interested in that because Royce Lewis is
Speaker 1: twenty seven years old and he's still got talent and
Speaker 1: he still got upside. JP Crawford's getting close to thirty
Speaker 1: two years old. He has not played a whole lot
Speaker 1: of third base in his career. You don't know what
Speaker 1: he's gonna cost in free agency, and the Mariners may
Speaker 1: not be committed to really having him play third base
Speaker 1: long term. Either. You get two and a half years
Speaker 1: of control of Royce Lewis, you have a shot to
Speaker 1: just have that be your third baseman when you need
Speaker 1: to find a fixture long term at third base for
Speaker 1: the next couple of years. If it doesn't work out
Speaker 1: and he's not an everyday third baseman, then Rory Lewis
Speaker 1: could just be a bench bat, and I don't think
Speaker 1: you'd have to trade that much to get him anyway.
Speaker 1: I actually think there is a very very low risk,
Speaker 1: high reward plan here to trading for Royce Lewis, and
Speaker 1: if you do it and it doesn't work out, you
Speaker 1: can just have him be on the bench, and if
Speaker 1: it does, you may have found your third basement until
Speaker 1: Felony and Telleston's ready.
Speaker 2: There's a positive and negative way to look at this.
Speaker 2: The negative way I look at this is that Royce
Speaker 2: Lewis had a really good seventy game stint to start
Speaker 2: in his career cuss across twenty twenty two and twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three. But in the two hundred and forty games
Speaker 2: he has played since the twenty twenty four season started,
Speaker 2: he's been eight percent below league average as a hitter,
Speaker 2: which if you're pitching that to me as your future
Speaker 2: option for a third base, I'm out. So that's just
Speaker 2: not good enough. However, I'm glad you mentioned JP Crawford
Speaker 2: it's kind of curious. Royce and JP have a bit
Speaker 2: of a similar history. I mean, Royce lewis former number
Speaker 2: one overall pick, former top prospect, and he at this
Speaker 2: age he debuted a little bit earlier than JP. But
Speaker 2: as of yet, he has not broken out. JP Crawford
Speaker 2: didn't break out in his first really full season as
Speaker 2: a Mariner until he's twenty six, and Royce Lewis this
Speaker 2: season is twenty seven. Next year's when you're hoping you're
Speaker 2: really going to see something from Royce Lewis. If you
Speaker 2: trade for him, he'd be twenty eight years old. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not impossible. JP Crawford's best season of his careers
Speaker 2: when he was twenty eight years old. So these things happen.
Speaker 2: Development is never linear.
Speaker 1: Right And again, if you don't sign JP Crawford back
Speaker 1: this offseason, if you deem he's not worth the money,
Speaker 1: or you don't like where he's at age wise, or
Speaker 1: you just want to turn over a new leaf, it's
Speaker 1: an option with Royce Lewis. I'm not saying it has
Speaker 1: to be the option, but it's an option again, if
Speaker 1: you trade for him and it doesn't cost that much.
Speaker 1: If it goes the way you want it to, he
Speaker 1: could be your third baseman. And if it doesn't, then
Speaker 1: he's a bench bat. I think it's actually got a
Speaker 1: chance to had some roll one way or another. To
Speaker 1: have a right handed bat on the bench at the
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Speaker 2: Next up is Taylor Ward and Taylor Ward in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six is much different than the Taylor Ward we've
Speaker 2: seen in the past years. I still think this year's
Speaker 2: version of Taylor Ward could help the Mariners, and I
Speaker 2: do want to trade for him, but he's a different
Speaker 2: baseball player this year.
Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2: It's July first and he has five home runs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that part's interesting. He's not leaving the yard as much,
Speaker 1: but he is crushing lefties. He's still got an as.
Speaker 1: He's still got an eight eighty three OPS against left
Speaker 1: handed pitching this year and an eight thirty two career
Speaker 1: OPS against lefties. I actually think this is the most
Speaker 1: seamless fit of the guys on this list.
Speaker 2: I think so too, But he's just he's hitting like
Speaker 2: JP Crawford is what he is. I love the version
Speaker 2: of Taylor Ward that we saw last year. He hit
Speaker 2: thirty six home runs, and that's kind of the bread
Speaker 2: and butter of where the Mariners are offensively. They're at
Speaker 2: their best when they crush home runs. Like I think
Speaker 2: a three to eighty on base percentage version of Taylor
Speaker 2: Ward has a ton of value to this lineup. And
Speaker 2: he's gonna roll with this kind of with this kind
Speaker 2: of slash line and you trade for him, I want
Speaker 2: him leading off. I think he's the perfect lead off
Speaker 2: hitter in this approach. I wonder how much. He's like,
Speaker 2: if he's actually changed his approach a ton, or if
Speaker 2: there's something like nagging him this year and he's just
Speaker 2: had to turn to walking more, it doesn't make much.
Speaker 2: He had thirty six home runs last year. He's on
Speaker 2: pace hit less than ten.
Speaker 1: That is crazy. I don't know where the power surge
Speaker 1: has gone with him. And it can't just all be
Speaker 1: the alleyways in Baltimore. It's not.
Speaker 2: They move those back in.
Speaker 1: Right, So look, productions production offensively. You know what, you
Speaker 1: haven't gotten production out of your right handed bats this
Speaker 1: year when you're facing left handed pitching Rob Rep Schneider.
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't need to go fifteen rounds with
Speaker 1: that again, but everybody knows where Rep Snyder's been. You
Speaker 1: get a guy into this lineup who's opsing close to
Speaker 1: nine hundred this year against lefties. That's only two months.
Speaker 1: Because he's only going to be on the team for
Speaker 1: a couple months before he hits free agency. He's a rental.
Speaker 1: I don't see any issues with it.
Speaker 2: And people have said he's a really good trade option
Speaker 2: for the Mariners for years, but this is the first
Speaker 2: deadline they actually have a chance of try. Because the
Speaker 2: Mariners never trade with the Angels. Jerry Depoto has made
Speaker 2: a trade with twenty eight other teams as Mariners general manager.
Speaker 2: He is never once traded with the Angels. But since
Speaker 2: the Angels traded him to Baltimore, now he's available.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we mentioned it on other podcasts, But there's
Speaker 1: bad blood between Jerry and the Angels. It's just yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't get along him and Ardy.
Speaker 2: Uh, definitely, definitely not what shockne. He used to be
Speaker 2: a plus defender. Not this year, but he used to be.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're trading for him to play outfield defense.
Speaker 2: I just know the Mariner's corner outfield defense has been
Speaker 2: atrocious this year's and any kind of boost they can
Speaker 2: get out there would be great. Just seems like that
Speaker 2: might not come from from Taylor Warth this year. Oh
Speaker 2: and by the way, given the Mariners are one of
Speaker 2: the slowest teams in Major League Baseball, he is a
Speaker 2: first percentile runner, so he fits right in.
Speaker 1: Let's just say, you talk about a seamless fit. This
Speaker 1: guy's a seamless fit to this ball club.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think he is.
Speaker 1: I think in all seriousness, he makes the most sense
Speaker 1: of anybody on the list. He hits lefties, He's only
Speaker 1: gonna be the price of a rental because he's only
Speaker 1: got two months on his deal by the time the
Speaker 1: team would trade for him. He plays outfield, he lengthens
Speaker 1: your lineup as a right handed bat. He's making twelve
Speaker 1: million bucks this year, So by the time the trade
Speaker 1: deadline rolls around for two months, you would think it's
Speaker 1: about four million dollars they'd have to take on. It's
Speaker 1: not that much. And the Orioles are currently sitting at
Speaker 1: thirty nine and forty eight is we're sitting here recording this.
Speaker 1: They've lost their last four games in a row, they
Speaker 1: have not played good baseballs of late, and unless something
Speaker 1: drastically changes for that team in the month of July,
Speaker 1: feels like they're going to be selling and Taylor Ward's
Speaker 1: gonna be dangled out there. So I would circle this
Speaker 1: name pretty bold if I was a Mariners fan. About
Speaker 1: guys you should be looking for at the deadline? Taylor Ward, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. Next up is a very intriguing option.
Speaker 2: It's Ryan Jeffers, catcher for the Minnesota Twins. Imagine saying,
Speaker 2: after last year happened, the Mariner a Mariner's trade deadline
Speaker 2: target in twenty twenty six would be a catcher. But
Speaker 2: here we are.
Speaker 1: It is wild to say. Let's also be very clear,
Speaker 1: they're not trading for Ryan Jeffers to catch. If they
Speaker 1: trade for Ryan Jeffers, it's essentially for him to be
Speaker 1: a DH.
Speaker 2: And why would they trade for him, because this dude
Speaker 2: absolutely mashes. He's got an even strikeout to walk rate
Speaker 2: this year, He's got a one to sixty four WRC plus,
Speaker 2: and he again obliterates lefties. He has a WRC plus
Speaker 2: of one hundred and forty against lefties for his career.
Speaker 2: There is one issue though, right now he's hurt, and
Speaker 2: I wonder if, even if he comes back, would you
Speaker 2: get this version of Ryan Jeffers if he traded for him.
Speaker 1: It is a real question because the injury he's currently
Speaker 1: dealing with is a fractured hamdma bone in his left wrist.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a pretty big component of swinging a bat.
Speaker 1: You need your wrist, you need your hands, and I
Speaker 1: would be very curious to see what Jeffers looks like
Speaker 1: once he gets back off the IL. I was looking,
Speaker 1: by the way, do they have a timeline on his return,
Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything definitive.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's hitting in the cage. Now, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: guess he goes on a rehab assignment in a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks.
Speaker 1: Man, that is pushing it close to the deadline. You
Speaker 1: are not gonna get a good look then at post
Speaker 1: injury Ryan Jeffers in a large sample before the trade deadline,
Speaker 1: and there's a chance you're trading for damage goods.
Speaker 2: I feel like if he's not back by the end
Speaker 2: of the All Star break, which is crazy given when
Speaker 2: I just said where he's at, he's not getting traded.
Speaker 2: What team would trade for him? Actually there is one
Speaker 2: now there. Padres would trade for him.
Speaker 1: So would the Yankees.
Speaker 2: There are teams that would go a bit balls to
Speaker 2: the wall to trade for him. The Mariners would not
Speaker 2: make this trade.
Speaker 1: I mean Austin Wells is ops and about five hundred
Speaker 1: right now. For the Yankees, they would take on a
Speaker 1: rental catcher and Jefferson.
Speaker 2: His catching though, has not been very good and historically
Speaker 2: has not been very good either, so having him not
Speaker 2: catch is actually not a bad thing for the Mariners
Speaker 2: and having him just DH This would literally be Rob
Speaker 2: ref Snyder like we said Ward, maybe not, this would
Speaker 2: be Rob ref Snyder. Yes, when there's a lefty on
Speaker 2: the mound he's dhing. That would be his role and
Speaker 2: maybe he'd be really good at it. Well, if he's
Speaker 2: got a bang, if he's got a banged up wrist,
Speaker 2: then I think he'd be I.
Speaker 1: Think he'd be playing every day too. He's actually hitting
Speaker 1: right he's better than lefties this year. Small sample, but
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that would be your everyday
Speaker 1: DH if you trade for him.
Speaker 2: So then you would have to be okay with dom
Speaker 2: can zone and right field every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd have to live with it, which, you know what,
Speaker 1: he's hitting well enough where you just again, the Mariners
Speaker 1: are already a bad defensive team. You just do it.
Speaker 2: So you're just gonna stack all your best bats in
Speaker 2: the lineup and forget about the defense.
Speaker 1: Again, it's not like they're playing quality defense already. You
Speaker 1: might as well try to add offense. So, yes, if
Speaker 1: he's healthy, but there's now a real question of if
Speaker 1: he's really gonna be healthy and if he's gonna be damaged.
Speaker 1: Goods he's you know, age wise, he's pretty like he's
Speaker 1: up there. Ryan Jeffers he's not young anymore, and between
Speaker 1: the injury and between being what's now, Oh no, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm selling it short. I thought he was
Speaker 1: more in his mid thirties. He's twenty nine. He like,
Speaker 1: that's not that that's not that old. So anyway, you
Speaker 1: just have to worry about him being damaged goods because
Speaker 1: if he proves that his handmate bone when he comes back,
Speaker 1: is still bugging him and he's not the same hitter,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not worth trading for him, even though
Speaker 1: he probably won't cost that much.
Speaker 2: To close out this episode, we have a couple of
Speaker 2: relievers to talk about. Let's talk about that we do.
Speaker 1: And can I just say, by the way, while we're
Speaker 1: sitting here, we just listed out some of the bats
Speaker 1: that would make sense for the Mariners, say a Suzuki,
Speaker 1: Taylor Ward, Ryan Jeffers and Royce Lewis this trade market
Speaker 1: fucking blows, dude, it really does.
Speaker 2: It's not even close to last year. We could have
Speaker 2: sat here at this time last year and said Gino
Speaker 2: and Josh Naylor are the perfect fits for this Mariners roster.
Speaker 2: You don't need to if and and butt it. Here's
Speaker 2: how the Mariners are going to creatively move their roster
Speaker 2: around to make this work. It's like, oh no, they
Speaker 2: just if you trade for them, they'll play every single
Speaker 2: day the rest of the year.
Speaker 1: Yes, and now with an offense that's already not hitting.
Speaker 1: As we've continued to say for a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: you could find guys to augment this roster. Nobody's fixing
Speaker 1: it from the outside. Listen to the names we just
Speaker 1: threw out there. There are not bigger names than this
Speaker 1: out there in terms of offense. There's just not. It's
Speaker 1: a bad trade market. So these guys better figure it
Speaker 1: out internally because I like Taylor Ward, but he ain't
Speaker 1: fixing this entire team.
Speaker 2: No, definitely not not. We'll just five home runs, that's
Speaker 2: for sure. Reliever number one is Garrett Whitlock. We've talked
Speaker 2: about him before. He has had an insanely good season,
Speaker 2: a two six to zero ERA, a fifth under three,
Speaker 2: a strikeout rate of almost thirty percent in that Boston bullpen.
Speaker 2: He's going to be a free agent after this season,
Speaker 2: and the Red Sox are atrocious, so why in the
Speaker 2: world would they need a good reliever? And guess what,
Speaker 2: Relievers like this don't cost anything, so.
Speaker 1: Let me amend something. He's actually not a free agent
Speaker 1: at the end of this year. He could be. There's
Speaker 1: two club options on his deal.
Speaker 2: Oh so, had that wrong.
Speaker 1: This makes Whitlock's case a little more fascinating. Don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong. Garrett Whitlock over the last two seasons has
Speaker 1: pretty quietly turned himself into one of the best relievers
Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball. I mean both in twenty five
Speaker 1: and twenty six. He's just been dynamite. Since twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: Garrett Whitlock ranks in the top twenty a Major League
Speaker 1: Baseball among all qualified relievers. In er top twenty. He
Speaker 1: has been that good, and he lived off the swing
Speaker 1: and miss. This is a guy that will come in
Speaker 1: from the right side and just simply misbats. You mentioned
Speaker 1: the k rate. He doesn't get barreled up. He gets
Speaker 1: swing and miss. But it gets interesting with the contract
Speaker 1: because there's two club options on his deal and because
Speaker 1: of it, is that going to up the price for
Speaker 1: Garrett Whitlock's value? I think it is because now you're
Speaker 1: essentially trading for what's not half a year of a guy,
Speaker 1: it's two and a half years of a guy.
Speaker 2: So this comes into question. Would you trade a real
Speaker 2: prospect for Garrett Whitlock. It comes from trading prospects that
Speaker 2: won't hurt your bottom line to one that might.
Speaker 1: Right, this feels like a reliever that's again this good
Speaker 1: and has this much control because if you want the
Speaker 1: exact details on the contract, back in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: he signed what was a four year, essentially nineteen million
Speaker 1: dollar extension with the Red Sox, and after that comes
Speaker 1: to its conclusion here in twenty twenty six, there are
Speaker 1: two club options for twenty seven and for twenty eight.
Speaker 1: So when you're talking about two and a half years
Speaker 1: of a borderline elite reliever, yeah, you have to start
Speaker 1: talking about those prospects that everybody knows in the Mariners system.
Speaker 1: You have to start talking about the name brand guys. No,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be Cad and it's not gonna be Sloan.
Speaker 1: But do you have to talk about Las Montes? Do
Speaker 1: you have to talk about Luke Stevenson? Do you have
Speaker 1: to talk about Michael Arroyo? You probably do.
Speaker 2: Would you trade Filming Selston for two and a half
Speaker 2: years of Garrett Whitlock?
Speaker 1: Oo? Would you?
Speaker 2: Maybe that's it? In the year Big twenty twenty six. Yes,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a prospect hoarder. It's just
Speaker 1: that Celstone's hits so well this year. Yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 1: has he and you don't have a long term solution
Speaker 1: at third base.
Speaker 2: But we don't even know if he's the long term
Speaker 2: solution at third base. He's in Everett.
Speaker 1: You don't, but you kind of hope he can be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you hope. But I also kind of want to
Speaker 2: win a World's here.
Speaker 1: I do too.
Speaker 2: But if you think Garrett Whitlock really helps you win
Speaker 2: a World Series, he's also like a perfect Mariner's reliever.
Speaker 2: He throws sinkers and sliders all the time. It's literally
Speaker 2: what all the Mariners throw correct. There's a and he's
Speaker 2: a right hander. He's like your typical Mariners reliever. I
Speaker 2: just don't know if i'd trade Felnane Celestin for a
Speaker 2: reliever or not. Given that the Mariners have two blue
Speaker 2: chip infielders already up at the big league level, I
Speaker 2: think I'm okay at this point. Trading felnine for a reliever,
Speaker 2: that's a bummer. I really hope that he succeeds in
Speaker 2: Boston and maybe it comes back to bite the Mariners.
Speaker 2: On paper might not look great, but if the Mariners
Speaker 2: come away at the end of the year with a
Speaker 2: dynamite bullpen, that they added a couple arms too, and
Speaker 2: they really helped them out in the playoffs, especially in
Speaker 2: these long series where these hitters are getting multiple looks
Speaker 2: at your best relievers and you want to give him
Speaker 2: as many different ones as possible. Trading for Garrett Whitlock
Speaker 2: would be a big help.
Speaker 1: And he's only thirty, so it's not like he should
Speaker 1: fall off a cliff anytime soon either.
Speaker 2: No, and his contract is very affordable. It's eight and
Speaker 2: ten million dollars the next two years. For those club options,
Speaker 2: it's peanuts. Mariners don't really pay relievers, but I wouldn't
Speaker 2: really call that paying a reliever.
Speaker 1: No, especially for a guy that again ranks seventeenth in
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball over the last two years among qualified
Speaker 1: relievers in ERA. He has been a top twenty reliever
Speaker 1: in Baseball the last two years. He's that good.
Speaker 2: What level of prospect would you trade for Garrett Whitlock.
Speaker 1: I think it stops at felnine. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I know there's people in the comments section right now
Speaker 1: just torching you with the idea of trading feal Nein
Speaker 1: for a reliever. I'm not saying you're totally worry. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying you're wrong. I'm not saying it's it's invalid analysis,
Speaker 1: because I don't think it is. But I know there's
Speaker 1: fans that are hearing you say I'd trade fel Nein
Speaker 1: for a reliever, and they're like, oh, absolutely not.
Speaker 2: Actually, why am I apologizing? Like I shouldn't apologize for
Speaker 2: wanting to win a world series.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you should.
Speaker 2: I just love filming. He's twenty years old playing in
Speaker 2: Everett right now.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I'm not saying you're crazy. I
Speaker 1: also just know how our fans and the Marinas fan
Speaker 1: base thinks. This is a fan base that's a no
Speaker 1: to trading Laz for Ronald Lacunya, Like, like, no joke, what.
Speaker 2: A great podcast episode that was? That is some of
Speaker 2: that was some of our best work.
Speaker 1: Not as good as talking about show Haes won for
Speaker 1: sixty five deal off Reddit, but yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe that was second best.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no lads for Ronald Lacunia. The Marina's fan
Speaker 1: base says, well, you guys are in for a world
Speaker 1: of disappointment, because look, we've said in a million times
Speaker 1: we really really like laz. If you think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be Ronald Lacunia as a player, you're you're putting unfair
Speaker 1: expectations on everybody, including him. M hm.
Speaker 2: A last reliever to look at here, lyle is Rico
Speaker 2: Garcia from the Baltimore Orioles. So Garcia has been awesome
Speaker 2: this year. It's gonna need are under three striking out
Speaker 2: a ton of batters. His walk rate is about average.
Speaker 2: Problem is, there's just not a lot of tenure to
Speaker 2: look at with Rigo Garcia. He does not have a
Speaker 2: very long resume. In fact, he's bounced around so much
Speaker 2: he's been on seven teams in six years. But he's
Speaker 2: finally broken out in his last couple of seasons with Baltimore.
Speaker 2: As I give you enough confidence to trade for.
Speaker 1: Him, I got trust issues with this one. Some of
Speaker 1: the stuff under the hood isn't as good as you'd
Speaker 1: want it to be. He always been very good, but
Speaker 1: his FIP sits closer to four, and he also gives
Speaker 1: up some barrels like he can get squared up here
Speaker 1: at times, and because of that, paired with the fact
Speaker 1: that he's thirty two and has no track record. It
Speaker 1: makes me a little nervous. Does that make you a
Speaker 1: little nervous? Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would not trade for Rigo Garcia. I felt
Speaker 2: let me amend that I would trade for him if
Speaker 2: he is slotted like under Edward Bizardo in terms of leverage,
Speaker 2: like if you go, if you're trying to build like
Speaker 2: Munos spy, Munhos brash spire for rare Bizardo Rico Garcia
Speaker 2: in that order. Fine, And I don't think he'd be
Speaker 2: that expensive because again I don't know how much leverage
Speaker 2: the Orioles have with someone like Rico Garcia, but like
Speaker 2: that's it. He's sure too, and he has four more
Speaker 2: years of control.
Speaker 1: After this, I was about to say, I know the
Speaker 1: Orioles are playing bad baseball and they may end up selling,
Speaker 1: but are they really going to trade him. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's gonna have immense value or not for
Speaker 1: somebody that doesn't have a long track record. He's already
Speaker 1: thirty two years old, and yeah, he doesn't hit arbitration
Speaker 1: until he's thirty four and twenty twenty eight. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is a really, really late Bloomer. So if you're
Speaker 1: the Orioles, you're probably thinking, with this club control, we'd
Speaker 1: only trade him if we get a haul back for him.
Speaker 1: And I would imagine most teams are not going to
Speaker 1: trade a haul for Rico Garcia. So I don't know
Speaker 1: if he really gets dealt and I sure I certainly
Speaker 1: don't think it ends up being the Mariners of the
Speaker 1: trade for him.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so either. Good profile, but that's
Speaker 2: not for me.
Speaker 1: Really sick trade market. We've got, man like, really a
Speaker 1: bunch of awesome options that should just put this team
Speaker 1: over the top.
Speaker 2: And all of you will notice we did not talk
Speaker 2: about the world as Chapman because the Mariners are not
Speaker 2: trading for a world as Chapman. I mean, Adam Jude
Speaker 2: had a report that said, uh, a world at Chapman
Speaker 2: will not be getting traded to the Seattle Mariners. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so there you go.
Speaker 1: That's it seems like there's not gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of Red Sox. No Chapman, no Wilson Contreras. Your best
Speaker 1: your best BET's Garrett Wetlock.
Speaker 2: I hope so, and Garrett, look, Garrett Willock fits uh so, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's just a first batch of them. There are definitely
Speaker 2: more guys we can look at and talk about as
Speaker 2: these weeks go on. But given that we are sitting
Speaker 2: here about a week a month away from the trade deadline,
Speaker 2: it's good to get the first batch out of the way.
Speaker 2: But we got a lot of like busy stuff coming up.
Speaker 2: We got the All Star Game, all Star Week, we
Speaker 2: have to draft. It's a lot of things to touch
Speaker 2: on between now and then, so good to get some
Speaker 2: out of the way.
Speaker 1: July's a busy month in the baseball world in general,
Speaker 1: in the baseball calendar. So yeah, we'll talk about other
Speaker 1: guys as time goes on. But when this is our
Speaker 1: first batchman, and we're trying to list out the guys
Speaker 1: that are right off the top of mind for who
Speaker 1: the Mariners could go get, and we're sitting here highlighting
Speaker 1: Taylor Ward and Saya Suzuki as the headliners. Bad market,
Speaker 1: Bad trade market. These guys better figure it out internally,
Speaker 1: because again, outside of Terrek Schoogle, nobody's saving them. They
Speaker 1: got to do it on their own.
Speaker 2: No I concur one hundred percent.
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