WEBVTT - Episode 423: Which Of These Targets Should The Mariners Go After At The Deadline? 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.400 What's up, guys, Just a reminder to you this upcoming Sunday, 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:05.760 we've got our next Mariner's watch party and our next 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:08.240 live event. We love to see you guys there. It'll 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:11.560 be this Sunday, July fifth, at two pm over at 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:15.560 Occidental Hall, right outside the ballpark on Occidental Avenue. We're 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:17.040 looking forward to it a ton. It's going to be 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:19.279 with our friends at Corona, our friends at the Hall. 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:20.960 We're going to be watching the game with you guys 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:23.640 as the Mariners take on the Blue Jays during the finale, 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.680 and then after the game, we'll be upstairs taping a 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:28.680 live podcast. 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Can't 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:53.720 wait to see you guys there. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:56.360 Open to episode number four twenty three of the Marine 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:59.600 Layer Podcast. We'll look at some potential Mariners trade target 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:01.560 switch the deadline a month away. 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:04.679 A reminder to you guys before we start this episode, 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:07.120 make sure to do us a favor and download these episodes. 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:08.959 If you're listening and go rate and review. Just leave 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:11.280 a five star review if you're on Apple or Spotify, 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.000 any of the audio platforms. If you're on YouTube, make 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.560 sure go hit subscribe. You have the big red buttons 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:18.280 just right in front of you. Then you get notified 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.800 whenever we're posting new content. You can find us on 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:24.360 our website marine layerpod dot com. Episodes are all there, 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:29.160 podcast merches there, patreons there. That's at marine layerpod dot com. 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.800 Then find us on social media. We're everywhere and posting 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.440 content every single day at Marine Layer Pod. 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:50.400 Let's get it rolling and you welcome you to this 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:52.960 episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:57.480 Baseball podcast network, recording here on Tuesday night, June thirtieth, 0:01:57.760 --> 0:01:59.840 and Lyle, all I have to say is what a 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.600 week for the Seattle Mariners. And it had nothing to 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:04.400 do with the fact they won the last two games. 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:06.720 I was gonna say, do you mean that in a 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:08.560 good way or another way? 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:12.440 All of the above. I mean, we can't argue the 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.160 fact they won two games. They did win two games 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:20.400 against an embarrassingly bad Angels team who just fired their GM. Finally, 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.440 I don't know how perriman as still had a job 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:27.639 enduring the season, but you know, apparently the expectations were 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.239 higher than fourth place in the AL West so or 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.600 last place. I think they're in last place, so I. 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.160 Mean, it couldn't have been their fans that wanted him fired, right, 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:37.960 fans aren't a priority to the Angels. 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.440 But no, winning baseball games is not a priority to 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:45.520 the Angels. Oh yeah, the fans are a priority to 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.280 the Angels. That's why they want to keep all their 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.760 players instead of trying to trade them to get prospects 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:51.840 to win more games. 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:55.440 Oh right, that's what it is. Already claims he pulled 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:57.720 all his fans and that winning baseball games was like 0:02:57.800 --> 0:02:59.400 sixth on the priority list. 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:03.799 In twenty twenty three, Ardy Moreno understood that the Angels 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.080 fan base wanted to watch Sho hee O Tani for 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:10.720 two more months instead of trading for franchise altering pieces. 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.160 I mean, they could have gotten Junior Camonaro and they 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:13.560 were like no. 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.480 And the great thing about Angels fans is that they 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.480 can drive an hour north and watch Show Hay still 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:20.560 they can. 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:26.200 Yes, it's amazing. Oh boy, oh the Angels. Where do 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:28.919 we want to start? Because yes, they won two games, 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.040 Thank god, they beat the Angels in the first two games. 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:32.919 Now they have this weird off day here on Wednesday 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:34.920 because of the World Cup, and the series will finish 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:39.400 on Thursday. But I guess to their credit, they did 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.240 get to Jose Soriano as the start ended up getting 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.160 later and later into the ballgame, and Jose Soriano at 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.520 least had a good start to the season. Well, they 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:49.960 had a phenomenal start to the season. Then he's tailed 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:51.560 off a bit as of late. But they got to 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:55.080 a guy who's had some good success this year. That's 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:56.240 the good part of it. 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.000 And most importantly, I mean most importantly, we saw offense. 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.200 That's what we saw, right. The offense had been shit 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:06.400 for too long, and the Mariners came back home and 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.400 they had a solid offensive night with a lot of power. 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:13.120 On Monday night, Cole Young hit two tanks. Dude, we 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.840 keep saying it. I mean, Cole Young's power is super 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:21.280 underrated for the stature he is. Him leaning into a baseball, 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.200 it doesn't go as far. It goes further than you 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:27.240 would think. When that second home run he crushed to 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.320 have like the no doubt reaction from Aaron Goldsmith right away, 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.679 almost like almost like the shock where it's like, holy shit, 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:34.960 this dude crushed that ball. 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:37.839 I mean, it's funny you watch him hit baseballs like that, 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:39.839 and you watch him take BP and some of the 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:41.960 baseballs he sends out of the art in batting practice, 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.080 and you'd say this guy could hit twenty five home 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.640 runs as a second basement, But he doesn't really seem 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.159 like in game he's wired to do that. It's just 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:50.960 when he runs into him, he can hit him a 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:51.400 long way. 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:53.640 He's not gonna be a guy who's gonna be at 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:57.120 the plate and crush Baseball's like Katel Marte consistently as 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.360 a second baseman. But you're right, Yeah, when he puts 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.640 a barrel on the ball and elevates it, then you're 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:03.400 gonna see it go really far. And then I think 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:07.120 another really impressive thing from Monday Night was watching that 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.880 swing Dom can Zone put on a fastball against a lefty, 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.200 because we've been asking, all right, who's gonna hit lefties, 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:16.880 who's gonna hit lefties? And Dom while he's hit lefties, 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.400 we've highlighted how it's not like a perfect offensive profile 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.359 against lefties this season. But this man got a center 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.919 cut fastball and absolutely shit on it and crushed it 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.000 over the fence in center field. So I you know, 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:30.440 I did love to see that. And then we saw 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.640 kind of the opposite here on Tuesday night with the 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.159 Mariners just hit a bunch of singles. People were asking 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.160 for small ball, Lyle. They got their small ball on Tuesday. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:42.520 They had a nine batter inning followed up by an 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.000 eight batter inning, back to back innings, So I mean, 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:46.880 you'll take that, and that put the game out of reach. 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.440 Yeah, it was death by a thousand paper cuts on Tuesday, 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:51.839 but you know what, it was offense. It was strung 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.440 together offense, and it was a pair win. So thank goodness. 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:56.880 I think it's time for Canzone to start playing every 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:58.120 day at least for now. 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:00.880 So he's your everyday d from now on. 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.680 Especially with Rob Refsnider now on the IL. Just play 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:05.240 them every day. 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:08.839 Let me ask you this because we're gonna highlight lots 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.200 of trade targets and shocker, a lot of these trade targets. 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:18.000 Would DH against a left handed pitcher? Does that weigh you? 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.960 Does that like make you sway a little bit from 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.200 the guys we are going to talk about. 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.320 No, because on those days, if you want said player 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.719 you're gonna trade for. In the lineup, you have Randy 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.440 and left Obviously Rayley would be on the bench, and 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:35.040 then one of can Zone slash slash acquired player would 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:36.760 be in right field and the other with DH. It 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:38.320 can work, It. 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.520 Could, You're right, it could work. But if dom Kin 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:43.600 Zone is that good against lefties, they're gonna have to 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:45.160 find a way to get him in the lineup every day. 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.080 And maybe it's in Victor Roebliss's spot that I mean, 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.479 they like playing Victor Robliss because of the defense, but 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:52.640 the bat has been atrocious. 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:54.960 That's and that's what I'm getting at. If you go 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.240 trade for one of the guys we're gonna highlight in 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:01.800 today's episode one of these established right handed bats, then yeah, 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.039 Roeblaze is gonna be the one that loses playing time. 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:06.719 Can Zone's hitting two well against lefties, and the guys 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.520 you'd be trading for are established big leaguers who crush lefties. 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.520 So yes, and you know what, You've already sacrificed the 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.240 defense on this team, so you might as well just 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:14.800 go all the way. 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.360 Yeah, exactly. If you need Roblaze late for defense, you 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.480 can still put them in the game late. So there's 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.800 a way to make it work. I would always have 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:24.960 a well. I would also say, before we get to 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.000 all the trade targets, there are a couple other stories 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:28.080 to talk about, right. 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.760 Yeah, there were some. It was a very entertaining week 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.800 at the ballpark, both on the field and off the field, 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.320 with some things that meritors fans had very very strong 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:43.000 reactions to. Both happened on Monday. Let's start. Let's start 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:46.320 with Justin Hollander on Monday. So he did mention a 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.280 couple injuries before we'll talk about like the main subject 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:53.720 of this of this this discussion. So Dom is dealing 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:57.880 with a hamstring like I'm given that he's dhing. I 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:01.480 think will mostly be fine. The Rayleigh injury is kind 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.680 of unfortunate. I wonder if that's been a mostly this 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.440 month thing. Given he's been pretty bad this month, and 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.040 it would make sense if he's trying to play through 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.560 an injury like he did last year, that he would 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:15.480 really struggle. And the people finally get what they want 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.560 with Rob resthsnunder. There's a move for Rob Refsnyder, but 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.040 he goes on the injured list. I'm gonna be out, 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.600 like I really do like the ref Snyder move to 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:28.240 the injured list, and it's before someone skews it and says, TJ, 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.800 you're happy Rob refs Snyder's hurt. No, I'm not happy 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.679 that he's hurt. But what this allows Rob Refsnyder to do. 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:37.480 If the priority for the Mariners was to not put him, 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.320 was to not cut him, they didn't want to cut him. 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.400 They're like, we need to extract something out of this, 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.320 and we think he can still hit well. I think 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.679 it's great that he gets to, you know, rest a 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.000 little bit and then he could get a full twenty 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:53.480 eight days thirty days down in Triple A to get 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.040 at bats every single day against both righty's and lefties 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.400 before coming back and giving it one last shot. 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:02.439 Yeah. In other words, for those that don't want to 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.720 see any more Rob Refsnider, in the lineup, which I 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:06.720 know is a lot of Mariners fans. At this point, 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.080 I think you've got a good six to eight weeks 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.120 before you have to see him again, because I would 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.400 guess he is going to be resting until at least 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.600 the All Star break. I think they said there's a 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.600 chance he goes down to Arizona for a little bit 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:19.559 and just rests and gets to recover and gets to 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.240 rehab a little bit, and then if he's going to 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.920 take a full month long rehab assignment, let's just say 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:28.840 he rests until the All Star break and then gets 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.679 back into action again. I mean that could be the 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:33.800 middle of August he's back. If he takes a month 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:35.520 off a rest and then takes a month of a 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.080 rehab assignment, well then you don't see him till September. 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:42.559 So I think for now there's not gonna be a 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.679 whole lot of Rob Refsnyder. He is going to try 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:46.400 and get back on track. And if he does, and 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:50.240 if he's healthy, maybe, and it's a very strong emphasis 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.000 on the maybe at the end of the year he 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:57.720 provides them just something at some point. 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.440 Yeah, the redemption story. 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.199 Does this just feel like a guy that if they 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.720 make the playoffs. For the season he's had and now 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.320 he's gonna miss time with the injury. Does this not 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:09.800 feel like the guy that somehow comes up clutching a 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:11.000 playoff game at some point? 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.280 I'd love that. I mean, if you want to look 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.160 at it from the pitcher perspective, Bryce Miller sucked for 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.679 most of last year and he was also hurt and 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.880 then came back to the postseasons. Was him and Kirby 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.119 are their two most reliable pitchers in the playoffs? 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.719 I mean, I think about Adam Fraser, right, I mean, 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:29.800 he was he was really bad when he was in 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.240 Seattle in twenty two, but he had the biggest hit 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:32.760 of the season. 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.200 M hm, it's possible. I want you to think about 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:38.480 it this way. If you're listening to this, this is 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:44.600 essentially you optioning Rob Refschneider to the minors without and 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:46.600 getting around the fact he doesn't actually have an option 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.440 right to send him down, right, So it kind of 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:53.560 works out. What Rob Refsnender probably needs right now is 0:10:54.640 --> 0:11:00.160 two healthy knees and maybe sixty played appearances. Again, it's 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.960 triple A pitching in the PCL, right, I think that 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:06.040 would do? I think I would do wonders for him all. 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:07.720 Are we ready to get to the other parts of 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:09.760 the quotes of the week. 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:16.000 Well, Justin Hollander, besides the injuries, also had a statement 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.439 he gave before the injuries. There is a clip out 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.120 there if you want to go find it and watch 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.199 the whole thing. Low and I are not going to 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:27.240 rehash it word for word, but Justin Hollander was expressing 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:32.120 some frustration for the discourse about the Mariner's injuries and 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:37.360 people attacking the Mariners trainers online and blaming the training 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:44.200 staff and saying they should be fired. So while Justin 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:48.320 Hollander has every right to defend his training staff and 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.640 Lolo and I have never once have blamed the training 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:54.240 staff for anything because the training staff can never prevent injuries. 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:58.760 It's just that's not how injuries work. You can't just 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.560 snap your fingers and prevent injuries. Otherwise every team would 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:07.360 be one hundred percent healthy. But Justin Hollander was calling 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:12.440 out in his words the lunatic fringe on on Twitter 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:18.400 is pretty much what he said, and it didn't sit 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.120 very well with those accounts who found the video and 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.600 then started biring off tweets. 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:28.600 So let me just say two things. I'm totally with you. 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.120 I do not at all blame the training staff or 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.439 any injuries that have happened. I actually believe it's a 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.120 very good training staff, and Hollander went into detail about that. 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:38.680 I think that part's all true. And I think these 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.320 players do really appreciate the job that they do and 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.440 the work that they put in. I don't I don't 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:48.600 doubt any of that. Where this loses me is essentially 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:56.560 publicly taking time and carving out time to essentially try 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.160 to fight back with Twitter trolls that don't use a 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:03.880 face on their ounce. That's where you're losing me. Like, now, 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.720 it'd be one thing if it was actually people in 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:10.240 the Mariner's media doing this. That's different. If it was 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.800 some of the Beat reporters or the TV reporters, which 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.640 it's not, and this is not the situation that is 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.040 at hand because it's not those people doing that, that'd 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:19.800 be a little different. 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:24.720 Or really any public facing figure with like like a 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:26.000 real person online. 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.920 Right again, if it was anybody in the media, that's different. 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.880 These Twitter trolls that have five to six hundred followers 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:37.000 and aren't using faces like that, that's what you're spending 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:40.559 your time publicly getting mad at feels like a bit 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.720 of a waste of energy to me. I understand you 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.200 probably feel the need to defend these guys if they're 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:52.199 getting called out online, but you can't reason with Twitter trolls. Man. 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.199 That's why they're Twitter trolls. They're never gonna have to 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.600 face the music. So when you tell them that you're 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:01.400 seeing this stuff, they're only gonna like that only adds 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.559 fuel to the fire. And it added fuel to the 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.520 fire on Monday because all these accounts saw it and 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.080 just ran with it, and they were like, oh my god, 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.800 he's admitting, like the GM of our baseball team's admitting 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:13.480 he's online. 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.840 He's online and he's seeing our stuff. So I'm gonna 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:21.560 start to tweet more, right right, Think about it like this, 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:27.200 it's Mariner's GM goes after Mariner's Twitter trolls. 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:29.080 Yeah, exactly. 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.120 Go back to March and say that sentence here on 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:33.720 June thirtieth. 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.240 Mariner's GM goes after Twitter trill. I can't even say 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:38.080 it with a straight face. 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.000 And we could talk about this from our perspective too, 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:45.360 Like in this sense, justin Hollander and us are the same, 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.120 Like we're in the same spot. There are people who 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:51.520 are nasty to us online. But you and I know, 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:55.320 and we've always lived by this from our perspective, you 0:14:55.440 --> 0:15:00.560 cannot you cannot let anybody, any of those people know 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.080 that you are seeing their stuff, because as soon as 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.480 you tell them that, they're gonna keep doing it, and 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:07.480 they're gonna do it more and perhaps do it worse. 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:14.120 So if you never acknowledge that those things exist, then 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.440 it's essentially them shouting into a void and maybe they'll 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:18.720 just stop right. 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:23.040 Also, again with these faceless accounts, so many of them 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.680 are essentially high schoolers. They're high schoolers that think it's 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:28.800 funny to say whatever they want because they're not gonna 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.040 face repercussions. That's the thing about a lot of these 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.400 Twitter trolls, or some of them adults, Yeah, they are 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:35.800 a lot of them are immature high school kids or 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:37.480 are just like, yeah, I'm just gonna say whatever I want. 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:39.480 I don't I don't have to face any repercussions. It's 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:44.120 a burner account, so yeah, like sure, we I mean, 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.400 what you sign up for when you get into content 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.360 is you know there's gonna be people out there that 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.760 are just gonna be assholes, and the replies it's it's 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.920 even if you're the nicest people on planet Earth. It's 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:58.040 just what you sign up for no matter what. So 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:03.160 you can't I will quite go as far to say 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.040 you can't ever acknowledge that you see their stuff. I mean, 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:07.760 for the most part, you can't. You cannot get into 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:12.800 wars with these people all the time. But to to 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:16.600 really like, yeah, I will, okay, can I say this? 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.720 I think Justin Hollander could have said every exact thing 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:24.440 that he said in that statement except acknowledging who said it. 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.400 Yeah, except if he said But the problem is if 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.840 he says it at all, the media people will look 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:33.720 around and say, well, who's saying this. It's it's not 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.440 reporters saying it. It's not broadcasters saying it. 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.160 If like, you know, you can just be saying I've 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.360 been seeing a lot of stuff. That's it doesn't need 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.320 to he doesn't even need to see the word online. 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.680 That's true. That's true if you had just. 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.560 Been seeing a lot of stuff that I think is 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:50.880 very unfair for our training staff, and I'm gonna stick 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:52.600 up for them and say they did an amazing job. 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:53.680 I think that would be great. 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:54.720 Yeah, that's it. 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:56.840 I just want to talk about how amazing our training 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:00.360 staff is and I think I think I I've seen 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.680 some stuff that has been treating them very unfairly. 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:06.720 That's fair. Yeah, I think that's right. And I'll give 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.840 Hollander a little bit of a pass because usually he's 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.280 actually very very good in the media and he's a 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.359 good public speaker, and he says the right things and 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.399 he has a good feel for people for the most part. 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:20.359 But I will say this, could you imagine if it 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:21.480 was Jerry that did this? 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.480 It'd be ten thousand times worse. 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.680 Because Jerry at this point is such a lightning rod, 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:30.480 and so much of it as his own doing, Like 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.760 he's caused this on himself over the years with some 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.560 of the things he said. Could you imagine if Jerry 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:39.119 came out and started like essentially attacking Twitter trolls like 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.680 people obviously responded to Hollander and a lot of people 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.919 had opinions on it. Dude, if it was Jerry, I 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:50.840 mean talk about lighting up absolutely like pouring cars, I would. 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:52.800 Have been a news cycle. It would not have been 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:53.640 any of the injuries. 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:54.280 What's that. 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:56.760 It would have been the news cycle it wouldn't have 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:57.800 been any of the injuries. 0:17:58.119 --> 0:17:59.879 Oh dude, it would have been like pouring kerosene on 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:01.240 it if Jerry had done it. 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:06.200 I like the Hollander thing. Besides the Twitter trolls themselves, 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:09.920 it was pretty much like a non story, right right, 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.080 Like we're we're sitting here talking about it because that's 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.199 we were standing in that scrum listening to it, and 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:17.159 we have and since we could relate to that a 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:21.399 little bit, we had some thoughts on this situation. But 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.000 like the grand scheme of it, it didn't make the times. 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.119 I don't think it got much airtime on the radio stations. 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.359 Like the only people running with that were the faceless 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:32.480 Twitter trolls. 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:36.160 Right, and again, we're a little bit in the door 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.560 of both worlds, Like, sure, we're out at the field, 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:42.159 but we're very much like we're not Twitter trolls, but 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.920 we're very online. We're part of the online community. I 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.320 don't think there's any question about that in the Mariners verse. 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:51.639 So we see both sides of it. So yeah, look, 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.160 I don't think you can never Like I'm not saying 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.160 you can't ever acknowledge those accounts exist, but you really 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.280 can't do it when you're the GM of a baseball team, 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:02.000 you and I do not respond to all the Twitter 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.040 trolls by any means, we don't respond to most of them. 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.119 If you're in our position. This is what I was 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.919 trying to say a minute ago. If you're an our position, sure, 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:12.000 if like every now and then you acknowledge them and 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.200 get and like go back and forth with them a bit. 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:17.560 That's different when you're a podcaster GM of a team, Like, yeah, 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.760 I don't really think you can publicly acknowledge that Twitter, 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:24.000 that Twitter trolls exist and that you're seeing their stuff. 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:26.560