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Speaker 1: get me Part two David Fizdale Part two coming your

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Speaker 1: way and in just a scooch scooch, Um, I did

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Speaker 1: want to discuss I did want to discuss one thing

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Speaker 1: By the way, we really appreciate you downloading, subscribing, rating

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Speaker 1: Wherever you download podcast you can download like this one.

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Speaker 1: You can download that one as well because every day

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Speaker 1: it pops out. But um, look, the transfer portal has

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Speaker 1: become a big part of college basketball. Obviously. Look I'm

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Speaker 1: part two it was I was thinking about transferring beforehand,

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Speaker 1: bit like waves. You have the original transfers, guys that

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Speaker 1: You know, guys at a lower level now recently want

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Speaker 1: One of the things lost, this is a big thing.

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Speaker 1: One of the things lost in the sitting out when

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Speaker 1: you transfer is you get better. You get better. You

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Speaker 1: new system to get better. A lot of guys are

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Speaker 1: if you transfer, even transferring down like you're gonna play immediately,

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Speaker 1: like and what we've done. This is the most fucked

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Speaker 1: up part of the whole thing. Excuse my language, but

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Speaker 1: not really, it's a podcast. The most fund up part

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Speaker 1: of the whole thing is we're so concerned about these kids.

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Speaker 1: you know, who are not concer earned about We're not

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Speaker 1: That's bullshit. That's to all of you who are out

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Speaker 1: kind of like dog like, no that's not how it works.

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Speaker 1: a buy out in your contract. Okay. Plus if it's

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Speaker 1: a head coach, remember you're having to move all of

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Speaker 1: protecting student athletes, why the funk are we not protecting

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Speaker 1: We don't teach anybody the value of loyalty. We teach

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Speaker 1: And that's wrong, and everybody in the sport knows it's wrong, everybody.

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Speaker 1: David Fizzdel. This is part two. Part one was amazing

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Speaker 1: initial foray into the NBA, moving boxes at at at

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427
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,479
Speaker 1: work from the underground. What else you got and then

428
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 1: and so the biggest thing Nick taught me was really

429
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 1: taught me how to stay out of the way of

430
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: veterans when it's heated. You don't want to be that

431
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: young guy trying to tell a guy something to do

432
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: in the heat of the battle when his mind is

433
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: on something else, because he will bite your head off

434
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: in front of everybody, and then and then you lose

435
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: all kinds standing and and so I never had to

436
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: go through that. And Nick taught me that. Nick grabbed me,

437
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: ask you Nick every that say hey, look, they just

438
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: call me young Fizzle O fizz. He say, fis of fish.

439
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: Come here, let me tell you something fish. And you

440
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: say uh, and they say, listen, listen. You know, you

441
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: don't have to be the loudest guy in the room.

442
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: You just you just watch, just watch and see what's

443
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 1: going on, and and be patient. Your time gonna come.

444
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: You know, if we ask you something, how the information ready?

445
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: But this might you know, know your place. And it

446
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: really helped me to understand that. And guess who they

447
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,959
Speaker 1: always came to for information. They called me Staples because

448
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: Muss used to have me hold up these big poster

449
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: signs where I would have to draw the plays and

450
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 1: I hold up these big poster signs and shoot around.

451
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: So my nickname was Staples, but they always came the

452
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: Staples for a Staples, what play is that? And who

453
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: who who they running that to? What they're gonna come

454
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: out without a time out here? And that became how

455
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: I learned how to have an impact on the team

456
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,239
Speaker 1: just by being knowledgeable but staying in my lane. And

457
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: Nick and Avery really had and Cliff Robinson guy, he

458
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: was so good at making me understand the league and

459
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: how it worked and you know how people's egos worked

460
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: in the gym. And I didn't even realize what kind

461
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: of education I was getting. So when I got with

462
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,959
Speaker 1: Woody Kevin Willis and Kenny Anderson and John Barry and

463
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: those guys were, I was already prepared, I think too,

464
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: to coach them. You know, I was with a great

465
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: staff for Larry Drew and Bob ben Her and her

466
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: Brown and Greg Ballard Soul and Woody Is. So it

467
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: was a veteran group of guys who I didn't have

468
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: to be coach fizz or whatever that you know, this

469
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: persida that people have created, but just I could just

470
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: be and and learn and again to take the same

471
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: lessons and hey, I need to know everything so that

472
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: if any of these guys come to me, I got

473
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: the right information, because again, who do you go to

474
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,719
Speaker 1: for your information? The guy that is always gonna give

475
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: you the right stuff, right, And so I just learned

476
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 1: how to be that guy. I learned how to put

477
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: together the film in a way that helped the coaches,

478
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: so I could spare them some work. You know, I

479
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: just started playing, you know, diving into service more because

480
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: of how Avery and Nick taught me how my role

481
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: should be, and it ended up helping me big time.

482
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: You get back to Miami, okay, and supposed the head

483
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 1: coach right when you got there, exupposed to coach, right,

484
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't. Uh back, yeah, spoke was the head

485
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: coach that brought me back? Yeah it wasn't. It wasn't

486
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: standing Then Pat took over. Right, So you get there,

487
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: but now you you like when you were last there,

488
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: they barely knew you. Now you go, you go back

489
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: to college, you go to Friendsnell, you go to Golden State,

490
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: you go to Atlanta. Now you're dude, you're an assistant coach.

491
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: What's that like to go back? Now you can afford

492
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: the car, right, all these good things, and you're back

493
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: good Okay, And and this is the guy that you

494
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: were in the video room with almost a decade ago.

495
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: It uh it was surreal to be honest with you,

496
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: do it was like, uh, I'll never forget the day

497
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: he called me, because obviously we stayed in touch. I mean,

498
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: it was the cool part about the experience with the

499
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: Heat is I never lost touch with with people that

500
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: were really deep and grainer. So Spo Steve Stole, who

501
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: was vice president of a charitable of their you know,

502
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: fundraising department and all that is really best Prisident, and

503
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,959
Speaker 1: the Elsberg, Randy farn the a I left to come

504
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: back to San Diego. They stayed with me. You know,

505
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: I didn't know Pat. I wasn't close to Pat. Pat

506
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: was this superman. I knew stand, but I didn't build.

507
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: I didn't have enough time with standing there, buy back

508
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: and do to really become close to him. And and

509
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: so those other guys stayed in touch with me. And

510
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: so we were playing Boston in that series, Atlanta Boston,

511
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: and we were in Boston and we're sitting in the

512
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: locker room before the game watching the TV, and uh,

513
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: Larry Drew nudges me, and I'm like, what's up? He said, look, look,

514
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: look it gets look at the tea like, look, let look,

515
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: Eric sposed your new head coach of the Miami He

516
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: Pat Riley two steps down, blah blah blah blah blah.

517
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, Like I'm just thinking like

518
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: from a friendship standpoint. Friend, I'm what, he's moving me

519
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: up in Atlanta. So it's already going great. I got

520
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: moved to the front of the bench, already more, a

521
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: little more money. I'm starting to pick up get you know,

522
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: get a little state where in the playoffs. You know

523
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: it's going great. Well, by the way, I don't want thought.

524
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: What is that like though, to go to front of

525
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: the bench. There is a real self self accomplishment, it

526
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: really is, you know, calling in he was on the phone.

527
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: You remember that. Remember that. I remember the conversation clearly.

528
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: He brought me in to his office and he closed door.

529
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: He said, kid, he said, uh, I'm moving you to

530
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: the front of the bench. And at first I'm kind

531
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: of like, okay, who's leaving. And he was like, I'm

532
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 1: gonna move her to the back of the bench. And

533
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: I said, woody, I don't like it. I said, I'm

534
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: just tell you right now. I know I played for her,

535
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: by the way twice. Her was a tough nut. I

536
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: love him. I love that old He knows I squeezed

537
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: his own head off his body. But he's a tough

538
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: nut and prideful and with every reason. He's a genius.

539
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: I mean that duding those basketball he can write books

540
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: on it. And so I said, I don't like it.

541
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: Would it? He said, fist, this ain't about you from

542
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: the standpoint of view and heard or any of that.

543
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: He said, you're I need to make this move. And

544
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: Herb was gonna understand it's time for her to sit

545
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: behind the bench. It doesn't change his status or his career,

546
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: he said, but this is it's time for you to

547
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: make this move, and it's gonna get you more money,

548
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna get you on your path. And I never

549
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: felt good about it until Herb came and talked to me.

550
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: I think what he what he Herb talked, and I

551
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: think whether he wanted to not. Herb came to me

552
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: and said, kid, I've had my run. You're gonna be

553
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: a heck of a coach. It doesn't change the fact

554
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: that I'm here to keep my foot up your butt,

555
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: but it's time for you to take that step forward.

556
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: And it was just to get those those sign offs.

557
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: You know, you look back on your career, those are

558
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: moments that you know, those are the things that moved

559
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: you along man. And and so yeah, that getting that

560
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: getting that promotion was huge. And then you know, getting

561
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: the call from spol suppose call basically was, man, you

562
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,239
Speaker 1: guys are fucking battling. Hey in there. I don't know

563
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: how you're doing this with Joe team against that Boston team,

564
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: he said, but as soon as your season is over,

565
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: packed your ship. It was like the ticker was going,

566
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: the phone rang. That's how it happened. Literally, I'm showing

567
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: that he drew the phone. I'm like, so we're screaming

568
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: because Drew new spoke you know, through me, and we

569
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: was you know, we all have friends and we hung out,

570
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: we had when gone to dinners when we play them

571
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: and stuff, and so you know, he hears spoke and

572
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: spokes as soon as you're going to pack your ship.

573
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: And that's just how he said it. And I'm like,

574
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: what he said, you heard me? He said, now go

575
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: win the game. Click, and that was it. Played the series.

576
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: We battled seven games, you know, incredible, just incredible run

577
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: for that kid, for those kids, and Joe became my

578
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: I sold Joe and it was cool, you know, and

579
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: I packed my bags and I was supposed number two

580
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: assisted you know, in the matter of them, and you know,

581
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: the rest is history. Like it just pat still didn't

582
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: know who I was. Hey man, that's what and that's

583
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: still fumbling and awesome. It's I love the humility of it,

584
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: you know. And I hope more kids. I hope if

585
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: any kid is listening to this, it's good for you

586
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: to just know it's a good dose of humility is

587
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: always good for you. But I remember literally walking back

588
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: into the gym into the new arena, because we were

589
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: in the old arena, were walked into the new arena.

590
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: They're showing me around, blah blah blah blaha, all this stuff.

591
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: Some guys are working out. I whisperfol Adam Simon, who

592
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: had been there when I was was an intern there

593
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: with me. Uh. You know, a lot of the same

594
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: people were still there from when I was an intern

595
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: in the ninety seven. So I had these relationships. But

596
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: these people, you know, the heat don't change. They keep

597
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: the same people. So walking to the gym, all these

598
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: people are hugging me in on us, and then finally

599
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: I get the pack and he looks at me. He goes, oh,

600
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: I remember you. You were the video god I never

601
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: talked to And I'm like my coach, I'm like, yeah,

602
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: that's me, blah bla blah blah blah, took me into

603
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: his office, sat me down, basically gave me the cleary,

604
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: this is who we are, you know, stay in your lane.

605
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: We're all no one was bigger than the heat. We're

606
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: all a part of this blah blah blah blah blah.

607
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: And he said, you know, And I was walking out

608
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: the door of walking out the office, and he's such

609
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: an assidu. He goes, hey, he goes, kid, and I

610
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: turned around and he goes like in his voice, he goes,

611
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: don't fuck it up, Riley, Right. So I'm like and

612
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: I got like immediately I must have turned like white,

613
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: like clear and white. A goes, I'm just working with you,

614
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: and I like walk out of the office. I'm just like,

615
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: oh this And his secretary was the same, lady Karen,

616
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: who I loved. All other people were the same. And

617
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: so I walked out of his office and she's crying, laughing,

618
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: and she goes, welcome back and husband, and you know,

619
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: here we go. And none of us expected to happen

620
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: what happened. But okay, so so live two thousand ten. Okay,

621
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: so here's here's i'llgue you where I was, so I'm

622
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm at ESPN at the time. Yeah, and I did

623
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: a show. I think I might have done an earlier show.

624
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: I can't, but yet I was. My show was four

625
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: to seven, but for some reason, I want to say

626
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't done at seven. I want to say I

627
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: was done earlier. I'm walking across campus with Scott m Pell.

628
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: We run into Chris Carter and I'm flying out Orange

629
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: County to come back home, but to do Jim Romans

630
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: burning and um and uh. We run into Chris Carter

631
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: and Chris Carter He's like, hey, it's going to Miami.

632
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: This is like two or three days before, maybe even

633
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: a week before. I'm not really sure. He's like, and like,

634
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: Miami wasn't really on the list. We didn't really like.

635
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: It was like the Miami like button New York. I

636
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: don't want. Then no one joined up with people right,

637
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: um and so he was like, na, man, I talked

638
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: to West going to mynam. So me and Scott are like,

639
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: Scott's like, all right, I'm gonnana check this thing out.

640
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: So I fly to l A. And the way Rome

641
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: show is you have like writers, right, these like kind

642
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: of opening rants. So I think I did. The first

643
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: show was like July seven or two was July eight, okay?

644
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: And then after the show is the announcement. So I

645
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: go back to the hotel and I go over to

646
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: the Force Bar and at the it's like behind the

647
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: Beach Highatt and I go look, and damn if he

648
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: doesn't go to Miami. And I was like, oh my god,

649
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 1: I knew this a week ago. Why didn't I tell somebody?

650
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: Like I just thought it was Chris Carter, Like Chris

651
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: cart right, he knows world, why West and where wild

652
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: West told him? So, okay, take me through. Where were

653
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: you when did you know? What was your reaction? So

654
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: I was with d Wade. I knew the possibility was

655
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: super real in his heart, he thought it was happening.

656
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: And obviously he and I were really close. We're probably

657
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: closer to anybody there. And we went to dinner at

658
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: Prime one twelve and we went into a private room.

659
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: The Miles, the owner there, in set up a private

660
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 1: room for the Way, his family, and his closest friends

661
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: to eat and watch the announcement. And so the Way

662
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: is at the head of the table and I'm sitting

663
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: right next to him, and we're all around the table

664
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: and these guys a good friend of ours, Bob, who's

665
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: d Way's photographer videographer, is feeling the whole thing. And

666
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: d Wade uh like flashes his phone to me right

667
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: as Lebron's before he's going out to announce, and I

668
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: looked and he goes and it's I'm coming, like I'm

669
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: on my way, I'm coming to Miami, and I'm like,

670
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, I can't really react at the moment because

671
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: it's like, oh crap, like this, dude, is we're really

672
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: about to make this happen because Chris Bosch had already

673
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: committed and we're watching it, and sure enough he said

674
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: he don't take his talents to South Beach, and we

675
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: jumped up and screamed and went crazy and we had

676
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 1: and we had a party that night. There the whole

677
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: city of Miami was a party that night when Lebron

678
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: James said he was coming to South Could you imagine, like,

679
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, we're a couple of years before, right before

680
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: they won the title to Shot had done it and

681
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: they had the big Diesel trucks right and that that

682
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: was cool, but this was like a completely this is

683
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: another This was this was this is unheard of, like

684
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: this is. You never saw a team come together because

685
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: Shaq got traded back was a part of a trade.

686
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: You never saw star players voluntarily joined forces to try

687
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: to win a title. And so after that night, it

688
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: immediately shifted to Lebron's a bad guy and the decision,

689
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: the way he did the decision was low class and

690
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: was wrong, and he became his villain, you know. And uh,

691
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 1: I will say this and he can probably I can't

692
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: speak for him, but I would say probably the hardest

693
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: year of his life. Yeah, arguably, uh you know, personally, professionally,

694
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: just the amount of just weight that he carried, um,

695
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: you know, really molded him. You know, that was the

696
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: that was the hammer and the anvil and the fire

697
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: that motor him into what we see was that year

698
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: because the suffering that he dealt with after losing the Dallas.

699
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: I can't explain it to you really, it's Uh, I

700
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: get emotional thing about how painful it was for all

701
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: of us, Bow and I cry. We got back in

702
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: the office. Is he beat me into the office that

703
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: next morning after losing to them, he was in there

704
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: and probably like four thirty five he might not have left.

705
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: I came in about four thirty five, and as soon

706
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: as I sat down, we both looked at each other

707
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: and started crying, right because you know, it's winning, it's winning.

708
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: You got your chance right now to be in that

709
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: group of people. And it was just like the lowest

710
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: moment for me and my friend that I think we

711
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: had felt ever. You know, it was just like, oh

712
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: my god, we just lost? What what? What what happened?

713
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean, like what happened? I'm telling you suffering happened

714
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: when you go through. But what was it? Because because look,

715
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody has and and Mike Biby was

716
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: a great player, but people forget that he was not

717
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: good that series so much he started one through five,

718
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: you didn't play in games? What happened to lose the series? Like,

719
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: because everybody focuses on Lebron at the end of the series,

720
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: because on the it was me and spokes spowing. I

721
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: spaw and I take full and the staff we take

722
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: full blame for possibility. It wasn't Lebron, It wasn't any

723
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,479
Speaker 1: of those guys. Uh now they all say it was them,

724
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: right Lebron the owner and say I didn't play well.

725
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: I settled too much. But systematically we weren't there yet.

726
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: We hadn't changed into what we needed to be to

727
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: beat Dallas. So offensively, we were still running the Miami

728
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: heat offense from shock. When we ran the strong the

729
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,959
Speaker 1: big to the strong side post and occupied the strong

730
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: side post in early offense, that was immediate death. It

731
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: had a guy at the rim. They had Tyson Chandler

732
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: at the rim, and these put them on the weak

733
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: side of the key, right and these get them. And

734
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: we wasn't there yet. We wasn't there. So now lebron

735
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: Jack and Duane. Wait, every time they came down the court,

736
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: they're looking at a strong side block field. Joe James, Now,

737
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: I guy, you ain't gonna throw you got Joean Anthony,

738
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: you got you golone. You got guys that's not necessarily

739
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: post up players. And so that's one huge thing that

740
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: we ended up. You know, we burnt our hand at

741
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: one time and that was it. We changed that that

742
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: morning meeting. What we were full of tears was when

743
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: we got on the board. But then defensively as well,

744
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: we instituted switching and we really because the heat wave

745
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: was like you're doing how we do it? And if

746
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: it's not working, you do it harder. It wasn't Oh

747
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna not trapped now and we're gonna start switching.

748
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: So Dallas, the best ball movement team in the league

749
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: next to the Spurs that year, understood that if they

750
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: could get to to the ball and move it, they're

751
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: shooting with takeover from there. And that's what they did.

752
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: They beat us with the past. That was their mantra,

753
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: beat the heat with the past. So those two things

754
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: ultimately was the death of us that year. But boy,

755
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: what we took from that when we were just honest

756
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: about see, we we would have never got to that

757
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: as fall and I was trying to point the finger

758
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: at Lebron, right, we would never Canada the realization that

759
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: we have to fix something. And so instead of blaming him,

760
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: we owned it. That morning we said, well, we have

761
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: to do something different. The staff, the system, we can't

762
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: just rely on with patent standing. All these people put together,

763
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: which is a great system, but it didn't fit what

764
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: we had. Now we got two super attackers and a

765
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: and a big that can space the floor. Let's drop

766
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: kick that ship out the door and let's get to

767
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: running with an open floor and Uh, you know, it

768
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: just changed the way we played, and you saw that

769
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: next year after that, you know, and was really really

770
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: made us vicious. We were like wild animals that next

771
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: year because they it was a lockout year. So not

772
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: only did we lose the Dallas, but we couldn't get

773
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: back in the gym until Christmas, and they put us

774
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: in Dallas for them to raise the banner. And it

775
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: was like we didn't have to say anything. We did

776
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: not have to. It was not known. It was no

777
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: funning games, it was no big time scouting report. It

778
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 1: was we just took that leash off and those guys

779
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: they just attacked, and uh, we jumped on her. I

780
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: think the score ended up being a little closer later,

781
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: but we must have had them down thirty that game.

782
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: But it was just from that point on that team

783
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: had had a system now that highlighted their true gifts

784
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: and then allowed them to flourish and take off Game six,

785
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: the second championship here. Game six and second Championship here

786
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: fans are leaving. A couple of dou did interviews outside

787
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: of the arena, like, man, it's a great year's tough loss, right,

788
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: what's it like on that bench? It was like, Uh,

789
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: everything your mind could possibly hypothetically go through, what does

790
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: this mean for the team, our future, for Lebron, Doraine,

791
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: for Spall, Every possible negative thought of what this means

792
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: if we lose was going through our head. And two

793
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:36,959
Speaker 1: Eric Spostra's credit. Uh, he hit. He put the board

794
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: in front of the guys. We were down five with

795
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: eight seconds or whatever it was, and he just kept

796
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: banging the board and I was looking around the hell

797
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: the guys their eyes were just darting because it was like,

798
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: what do we do? And supposed just kept hitting the board, saying,

799
00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: one play, execute one play. That's all I'm asking you

800
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: to do. Basically, be present, get all the other crap

801
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: out of your head, and focus on the play. He

802
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: drew up a great play. We end up hitting the

803
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: three and uh uh kawhi Leonard, I think m's the

804
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: free throw When we followed him, Yeah, come back. We

805
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: run a play because we'd had time. We come back.

806
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: We run a play that we have been running in

807
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: practice at every shoot around, pistol pistol Hammer, which a

808
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: lot of teams run now. Uh, we ran it every

809
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: shoot around, never used it. We run it to perfection

810
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: Lebron gets a great look and everybody closed out on

811
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: Lebron and Chris Boss gets a clean run at the rim.

812
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: He the awareness to know Ray Allen was back pedaling

813
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: all of that stuff that happened, I mean, and then

814
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: I think when it was going to Ray, I knew

815
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: we were good. I didn't have any doubt at all.

816
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: Juan Howard was calling it before it even hit his hands.

817
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: That's good, battery, that's good. That's good, that's good. And

818
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: that what's that feeling like to go from holy sh it,

819
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: we could get fired right, It's it's emotionally, I can't

820
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: it's I don't know how to put it in this

821
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: and to describe it, but it's a roller coaster how

822
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: you feel internally on a rollercoaster of us, one of

823
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: the old Colossus, like we used to ride Magic Mountain

824
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,959
Speaker 1: back right, you get to the top of that hund

825
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: your foot and you know, And that's what it is.

826
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: It's just like this wave of just like it's so bad.

827
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: I've told the story was before, but it's the truth.

828
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: It's so bad that when we won Game seven and

829
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: we went out and we celebrated our faces off and

830
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: all of the good stuff we did that night. The

831
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: next morning, I jumped out of the bed in an

832
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: absolute panic, in a defensive stand, looking for my back pack,

833
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: thinking I was late for practice because we had to

834
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: get ready for Pop and Tony Parker. And I'm thinking,

835
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 1: gang this, we got another game, and and my wife

836
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: is in bed. She set up in bed. She don't

837
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: say nothing. She's watching me, and she goes bag and

838
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, what what what? I'm like, I can't right now.

839
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: She goes bag. Y'all won the title last night. I mean,

840
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: so think about that. I was that going and so not.

841
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: Not only was I that crazy. I called spoke immediately

842
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: just to say, hell, yeah, we did it. He answers

843
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: the phone. I said, dude, you won't believe what I

844
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: just did. He said, man, I jumped out of bed.

845
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: I thought we had another game. And we're both in

846
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: this boat of emotion and just competition and just our minds.

847
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: You know, you're playing chess against against Bobby Fisher. You know,

848
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: Grant Papa Vich is Bobby Fisher, and you're trying to

849
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,479
Speaker 1: play chess against this guy. And so you can only

850
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: imagine the sleepless nights in the video and the and

851
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: the and the data that you're taking in and the

852
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: numbers and just trying to figure out any little adjustment

853
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: to beat this guy. And uh so, yeah, so it

854
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: was an incredibly emotional way. But I tell you, you

855
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: learn a lot about yourself, uh in those moments. Um

856
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: you know, and and you wanna that's I think that's

857
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: when when when you want to compete at the highest

858
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: levels of whatever you do, what you get from just

859
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: putting yourself in those competitive moments is the best part

860
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 1: of it. It's not necessarily the fact that you hold

861
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: the trophy or it's just what becomes of you and

862
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: what you learn from it, which is really invaluable. What

863
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: the Let me just give my takeaway from Game seven,

864
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: which I don't know you experienced it, so I just

865
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: watched it. Okay, this is my thought. Okay, the Spurs

866
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: work daring him. You take mid range and long range

867
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: jump shots the entire series, and he would hesitate sometimes, right,

868
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: he just he would get in He gets in this

869
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: mode back then. Now not as much. Well, he wouldn't

870
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: trust his jump shots some and he he Game seven,

871
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: no one had anything in the tank except for one guy,

872
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: and he hit a couple early and so he had

873
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: all of a sudden his confidence was back. But it

874
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: was the It wasn't just the mental, it was the

875
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,439
Speaker 1: he's literally the only everybody else you can just tell

876
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: us falling down tire. Right, it's the end of an NBA, NBA,

877
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: NBA Finals, the series was over, like just everybody's emotionally spent,

878
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: and his ability to dial up energy that no one

879
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: else has considering all the way he has to carry.

880
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: That was the part that that I will remember by

881
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: Game seven. His preparation for what a championship season like.

882
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: He doesn't prepare a or NBA, normal NBA season. This

883
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: guy is preparing for the long war. And so his body,

884
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: you know, is a machine. And it's not just because

885
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: he was born with us, because he really really takes

886
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: every possible advantage of nutrition science, nutritional science, sports science,

887
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: whatever it is sleep. He is on top of all

888
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,479
Speaker 1: of that stuff. And and what it told me Game

889
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 1: seven really to me was what I what I took

890
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: from it was I had just participated in what was

891
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: arguably the greatest NBA series of all times. It was

892
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: definitely in the top five. And if you look at

893
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: the last play, Tim Duncan missed the Chippie over Shane

894
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: Battier to take the lead by one I think, and

895
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: he missed it and we got it and they had

896
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: to follow us. But it literally went down No, no,

897
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: we got it. And then uh we end up Bran

898
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: end up coming off a pick a roll to his

899
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: right hand seals to deal with a little fifteen seventeen footer. Uh,

900
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: like you're talking about. But I tell you the other

901
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: thing that really helped us in that series was Dwayne

902
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: and Lebron one shoot around after I want to say

903
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: after Game four, maybe they stayed an hour after and

904
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: they shot pull up jump shots until the cows came home.

905
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: Every kind of pull up coming off of every angle,

906
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: pick and roll, every single thing. They they just drilled

907
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: it and drilled it where it was that because it

908
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: was there. What you're talking about is true. There was

909
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: a hesitation. If you watch them, they were never in

910
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: rhythm coming off because it was almost like it was

911
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: like that shot I told you I took against Pepper

912
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: Guine wasn't ready to shoot it might open. Yeah, they

913
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: were like, damn, are they really leaving me this open?

914
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,959
Speaker 1: And so we took them out of rhythm, and really,

915
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean they were going under the damn there a

916
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: baseline and so once they got to the point where

917
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: they just shot it and those things started falling. Especially

918
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: was how hard it was to score in general in

919
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: that series. That really opened up things for us. Um,

920
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: you take the Memphis job after the next year, right, Um,

921
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: when you and your first year went went went went

922
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: pretty well. If you could go back and grab David

923
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: Fizdale and go like, hey man, you should go this

924
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: way instead of that way? What would it What would

925
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 1: it be? Um? I would shake myself stupid and how

926
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: I coached smartnesssol I wasn't patient enough with Mark, and

927
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: I brought baggage on my own into that of what

928
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: I heard about Mark and people that have had to

929
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: coach Mark before and all of this other stuff of

930
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: you know, ain't the easiest guy to coach, and he's

931
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: got a certain type of attitude about himself. And um,

932
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: so I came into the relationship already with this idea

933
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna break Mark into the guy I wanted

934
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: to be. Right, So you came in for this year.

935
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: You come in and Hank Egan, make Mark the captain

936
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: on purpose so I can hold him to a higher standard. Literally,

937
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: trying to push him out of his comfort zone. You're

938
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: gonna shoot threes, You're gonna do this, You're gonna do that.

939
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: But while I'm doing it, I never took a step

940
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: away from it to empathize with marking where he was at.

941
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: And and so I got lost in that the idea

942
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: of that, and we ended up, you know, as and

943
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: he had a hell of a year. You know, you're

944
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: talking about um, you're talking about all the team continue

945
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: that's established. You're talking about a guy who had already

946
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: played at a high level, who had this career in Europe. Uh,

947
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: And here I am this guy coming in with this

948
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: heat culture. They already got the great and grind. It

949
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: was a lot of stuff already kind of building up,

950
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: and he came in with his own baggage and his

951
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: own stuff, like we talked about so Uh that when

952
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 1: he and I clashed that and couldn't find our way

953
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: back to alignment, that was the beginning of the end.

954
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: And if I could just go back as a more

955
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: mature coach, now more mature man, and talk to that

956
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: young coach, it would be take a deep breath, take

957
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: a step back, and look at the whole picture, and

958
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: look at how the dominoes fall when you look at

959
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: the whole picture. Uh. And you know the best part

960
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: about it again, you know, no one wants to get fired.

961
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: The worst part about getting fired for me is the

962
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: people that end up losing their jobs with me. Um,

963
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: you never want that, and that always kind of haunts you.

964
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: But the best thing out of that was Mark. When

965
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: I got the New York job, Mark was the first

966
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: guy to hit me and sent me the most beautiful

967
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: text that made me cry, like I broke down so

968
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: bad sitting in the office in New York because of

969
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 1: the textis sent me. And it was just like everything

970
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: I wanted him to get what I was trying to

971
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: get him to get, he got it. Yeah. And he

972
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: and not only did he get it, he forgave me. Yeah.

973
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: And I have been begging for us, forgiving us before that,

974
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: because I had apologized to the multiple times about just

975
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: where we were, you know, trying to clean it up

976
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: together still, you know, not to save my job, but

977
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 1: for the benefit of winning and team and being able

978
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: to own when I screw up. And but Mark, at

979
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: the time, Mark, you know, he was like, dude, I

980
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: ain't hearing you right now, and that's how it gets.

981
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: It gets that way because everybody's got their own life.

982
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: But for him to come back and say that stuff

983
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: and then now we have we're literally it's we're better

984
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: off than where we even started in the very beginning

985
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: because our wives and friends, we keep up with his kids.

986
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: He's in l A now. It's and that's the beauty

987
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: of basketball and and how it coordinates, you know, really

988
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: coordinates with life. And like you know, there's a bigger

989
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 1: picture to all of this, and so yeah, I would

990
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: take I would shake myself by the shoulders. How do

991
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: how do you coach there two things when you know

992
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: that your relationship with him like this is on a

993
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: much much smaller scale, right Like when you're coaching kids

994
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes you'll have a dad and the dad's driving

995
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: you crazy, but you have to process like that's just

996
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: the dad, and I gotta just coach the kid fairly,

997
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: or even the kid drives you crazy, but you gotta

998
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: worry about the team and how it all kind of

999
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: affects it. How do you coach an NBA team and

1000
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: you're trying to win and not and and and kind

1001
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: of compartmentalize the struggles in your relationship with your star player.

1002
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: How do how do you do that? It's a very

1003
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: difficult dance. And that's all point again, it all comes

1004
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: to a head because it's not It takes too much

1005
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: energy to to not be on the same page, you know,

1006
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,479
Speaker 1: because at a certain point, even if you say it's over,

1007
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: but you know, the beef is still there and all

1008
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: of that, just that air of energy, it will be

1009
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: a disruption. It will be a disruption of the locker room.

1010
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: It will be a disruption. It's just gonna not be right.

1011
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: And so you just for me, it was like trying.

1012
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: And this is why I'm where I am now personally,

1013
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: going back into it, I think I got a much

1014
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: clearer picture of who I am. Is you really gotta

1015
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: It's a tussle not with the player. It's a tussle

1016
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: with your ego. It's a tussle with yourself and can

1017
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: you can you step away from this identity of me

1018
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: and put that on the back burner for what's best

1019
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: for the group as hard as you know, because you

1020
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: all of us are our our ego as a survivor,

1021
00:56:52,840 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: it's always trying to survive, survives, and so that's human nature.

1022
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: It's that that the human condition is is that our

1023
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: ego leads us around everywhere, and so in that in

1024
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: that type of situation, you got to try to suppress

1025
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: it as much as possible and just trying to be

1026
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: as you know, can I just give this team what

1027
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: they need? But at the end of the day, the

1028
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: team knows better than everybody when it ain't right, It

1029
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: ain't right between certain people, especially the star and the coach.

1030
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: If anybody knows, it's the players. Uh, everybody else on

1031
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: the outside could be shocked by but the players are

1032
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: never caught off guard. That they know what's up, and

1033
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: so it's very difficult to navigate. You're trying to lean

1034
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: on your staff as much as possible. The hardest part

1035
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: is like how do I coach this guy without over

1036
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: coaching him or making the same personal right because now

1037
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: we have this this trauma right And so I just

1038
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: tried to keep it to where it was literally technical coaching.

1039
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,479
Speaker 1: I stayed away from things that can be deciphered as

1040
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: bad attitude, bad body language, any of that stuff, and

1041
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: I stayed really close to technical. So did you set

1042
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: the screen, did you tie up the execution, did you

1043
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: sprint back on defense? Did you do execute your role technically,

1044
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: and that's how I coached him. And I, you know,

1045
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: this bullshit roomor kind of always lost the locker room

1046
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: bullshit that you loved me. At the end of the day,

1047
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: when it doesn't work, you get fired. But it just

1048
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: couldn't be sustained the way we were. We were that

1049
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: we were supposed to be the bookends, but here we

1050
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: are each other. Yeah, and so it's just not a

1051
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: sustainable thing for the locker room, right. They can't they

1052
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: can't hold us up. And so at some point, you know, uh,

1053
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: it just it got to that place where we couldn't

1054
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: coexist the way it was working. And how do you

1055
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: and then how do you manage the owner? Get a

1056
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: young owner? Yeah, you know, I didn't really have a

1057
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: relationship with that owner unfortunately at the time. And it

1058
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: wasn't out of let's just say it wasn't out of

1059
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: It wasn't because of a lack of effort. Um. He

1060
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: just wasn't the type of owner that was around a

1061
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: lot and he had other stuff going on. And it's

1062
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: now I'm not knocking him or whatever, and and you know,

1063
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: and maybe having a better relationship with them would have helped.

1064
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: But this is the league, and at the end of

1065
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: the day, he still would have had to make a

1066
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: tough decision, right like it was. It was at that

1067
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: place where Mark had to get traded or I was

1068
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: getting fired or both, and you know, and and that's

1069
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: what it got to, unfortunately. And so I just kept

1070
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: coaching the hell out of Mark the way I could

1071
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: to show the team that I'm not letting him off

1072
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: the hook because he got a bad attitude, but I'm

1073
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: gonna keep coaching him. And as long as he's doing

1074
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: his job, that's where we gotta keep it, you know.

1075
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: And Mark and I made the fact that we would

1076
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: co exist that way, even though we both knew who

1077
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: we couldn't. And uh, you know, it boiled over and

1078
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: eventually they had to make a decision and that I

1079
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: was the fall I was the guy, not the fall guy,

1080
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: but I was the guy that they said, we're gonna

1081
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: keep going with Mark, We'll move on with j B.

1082
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: And that's fine because that's the business. Did they call

1083
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,919
Speaker 1: you in? Did you get like it was actually awesome? Uh?

1084
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: Chris Wallace came to my house that next day after

1085
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: we lost to Brooklyn. I think I didn't put Mark

1086
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: back in the game, Mark was obviously pissed. Um you

1087
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: know that again we were here, Yeah, I didn't feel

1088
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: like he was trying. He didn't think I could coach,

1089
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: and it was all fair and we were both you

1090
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: know here and the ultimate power is, you know, I

1091
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: don't have to play you, and his ultimate power was, well,

1092
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: I'm a star. So it just went back and forth then.

1093
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: But but to Chris Wallace's credit, as he had asked

1094
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: the fans, key, I tried to work with us to

1095
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: come back together and figure this whole thing out. Chris

1096
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: came to my house and so as I opened the door,

1097
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: he said, uh and rest out his hand. I shook

1098
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: his hand and said, God, let you go, coach, And

1099
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: I said, come on in, and I brought him into

1100
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: the house. And when we sat there, we drank a

1101
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: glass of wine and talked, and you know, I apologize

1102
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: for my lack of maturity and leading them and uh,

1103
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: and my you know, really owned my part in it

1104
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: as much as I possibly couldn't thank them, and just

1105
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: told him, you know, I'll be happy. You know, whatever

1106
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: you need from me, I'm here. And and please just

1107
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: give JB. Bickerstaff every opportunity to be the next head

1108
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: coach and give him a chance to run his own

1109
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: program and don't hold my my behavior and my actions

1110
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: over his head. You know. That was my big talk

1111
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: to them and trying to look out for you know,

1112
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: I still had JB. Keith Smart, Nick Bennet, so all

1113
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: of those guys were there about bender. We're still there,

1114
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: so I really wanted my shirt. I didn't do anything

1115
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: to jeopardize their situation either, But they were first class

1116
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: about it, um, you know, and and I think they

1117
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: even said quality stuff to the teams that called up

1118
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: about me after that. So see, I thought they did

1119
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: you a favor in terms of the timing because you

1120
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: guys who are on the TV and what everybody knew

1121
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: in the league now the rest of the world kind

1122
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: of figured out right. But there also is that you

1123
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: talked about the human element to it, right where you know,

1124
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: you get fired and you're like, I'm never gonna get

1125
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: another chance, Like this was my I'm done, I'm cooked.

1126
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: He walks out, Your wife's there? What what what would

1127
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: you would like like? So the funny part is my

1128
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: wife had we were So So here's how I went.

1129
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you exactly how I went. So the night

1130
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: before after the game, Chris Wallace cotting too my office

1131
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: and we talked and I said, Chris, if I'm the

1132
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: issue and I gotta be the weak link, cut I'm

1133
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,919
Speaker 1: man enough. I can take it. But what I see

1134
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: in a building that I tried to create, where everybody

1135
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: feels value and loved, and a building where you get

1136
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: as close to family as you can, knowing that it's

1137
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: still business, I'm seeing a bunch of miserable people. Everybody's

1138
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: miserable because of this relationship. And I said, so, I'm

1139
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: just telling you, I'm gonna coach this team with every

1140
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: drop of blood and sweat that I have in me.

1141
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: But if I'm the person that doesn't, that's not supposed

1142
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: to be here, and that's screwing us up. I understand

1143
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: the decision you have to make, and I know that's

1144
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: not easy. I appreciate the relationship we built all of that.

1145
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: So I'm driving home my wife late that night from

1146
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: the arena, and my wife said, oh my god, how

1147
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: did it go? And you know, what do you think?

1148
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: And I said, well, I tell you one thing. If

1149
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: I don't get a call from them first thing in

1150
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: the morning, I'm fired. And so we didn't get that

1151
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: call in the morning. Kind of day kept going. I

1152
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: was talking about agent and we had lost eight in

1153
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: a row. We started off seven and one. We were

1154
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: like the hottest came out and then Mike kind of

1155
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: got hurt and then everything just went off the cliff.

1156
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,439
Speaker 1: And sure enough that afternoon, my agent called me and said,

1157
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: Chris Wallace is on his way to your house. And

1158
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: only time Chris Wallace that came into my house before

1159
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: it was like Thanksgiving or something like that. So yeah,

1160
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: I think I'm cooked, and uh, you know, sure enough

1161
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: I was, and I was, and you're right. It was like,

1162
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: oh my god, I spent twenty years to get to

1163
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,919
Speaker 1: this moment, you know, uh, more longer than that, because

1164
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: you forget that what we were doing as kids was

1165
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: getting us ready for all of that stuff because we

1166
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: were basketball people. I don't know how. I mean, I

1167
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: don't know everybody else's life went in basketball, but our

1168
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: community of basketball, you myself, all of those kids in

1169
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: Southern California or during that time, was getting lined up

1170
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: to do more. Kevin, I've won a national title as

1171
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: a coach. People forget that we were being groomed. Jaqu

1172
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: Vonn has been a head coach is gonna be another

1173
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: head coach again. We were being groomed to be what

1174
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: we are basketball people. Adam Jacobson coach, you know, I

1175
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: can most time, and Moose Bailey is the head coach

1176
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: of Brick. I mean, we can come on, we can

1177
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: go forever with our crew of basketball. So it started

1178
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: for me then to be a head coach in the NBA.

1179
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: So when it was taken away and I knew I

1180
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: had a hand in it, and I had to own that. Uh,

1181
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: it was tough, man, and it was it was really

1182
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: I really I recommended to everybody is be real with

1183
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: yourself self, reflect tell the truth to yourself. Don't be

1184
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: ass and blame and point fingers and all of this

1185
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: other crap. It doesn't mean beat yourself down, but be

1186
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: real about your your steak and the situation. And that's

1187
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: what I tried to do. When I got away from Memphis,

1188
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: we came back to l A, we hunkered down. I

1189
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: just kind of wrapped my mind around what happened. Took

1190
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: a lot of time by myself self reflected, and then

1191
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: I wrote down a hundred names of people in different

1192
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: things that I wanted to learn something from, especially when

1193
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: it came to UH, leaderships, relationship building, all of this stuff,

1194
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: because here it is I'm coined the relationship coach because

1195
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: I got bron and but here it is I get

1196
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: fired because of my relationship with my player, a relationship.

1197
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: So I just went into study mode and I would

1198
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: drive out of my little wee. We rented a little

1199
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: house in Beverly Hills and it was big enough to

1200
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: hold me and my wife. We had an extra bear

1201
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: room and that's where the dogs were. And it was

1202
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: just a smaller house. And I can drive down and

1203
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: meet with every team that came in. I can meet

1204
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: with CEOs, I can meet with agents, I can meet

1205
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,439
Speaker 1: with writer. I was meeting more all kind of different people.

1206
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: And I just tried to retool myself and deal with

1207
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: what I saw as a weakness, something that really got

1208
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 1: in the way of me, you know, being able to

1209
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: be the coach that I can be, UH to prepare myself.

1210
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: But if I ever did get another chance, all right,

1211
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,439
Speaker 1: I know you gotta go. I I do as well

1212
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 1: last thing, and I've been incredibly great. Sted you're telling me,

1213
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: my god man, you kid UH. In ten years, where's

1214
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: David Fizdal and ten years. Hopefully I am being able

1215
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: to decide if I want to culture or not and

1216
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: absolutely uh invested in hanging out with my family. And

1217
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: I got a newborn son I'm dying from when I

1218
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: can coach him like you are and just be able

1219
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: to you know, I'm just gonna be. I can see

1220
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: where I'm going in the path I'm bing right now

1221
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: is uh one. I'll be a much uh more season

1222
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: wise uh uh present coach, but I'll definitely be in

1223
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: a position where I could walk away from it if

1224
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: I want to, and I can just be a family

1225
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: guy if I want to. Um Kobe or Magic Jesus Christ,

1226
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: where did that come from? Doug? It's everybody does Lebron

1227
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 1: or Georgian. It's a bad conversation different players. So it's

1228
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: Magic and Kobe. But Magic was like Kobe is the

1229
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: greatest lager ever, Like dude, hold on, I was alive.

1230
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: So so that's what I'm saying. It's it's strictly biased

1231
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 1: for me. But I'm a Magic guy because Magic Johnson

1232
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: he won. He might as well have came out of

1233
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,679
Speaker 1: high school, but he might have penned stop in college

1234
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: and dominated championship, dominated that. But then he came into

1235
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 1: the league and one a title. He played center. It

1236
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: was like if it was like, you know, Lebron his

1237
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: rookie year, Galskas goes down, but not Ill Galskas. Kareem

1238
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: Abdul Jabar goes down the parbably the greatest player to

1239
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:23,639
Speaker 1: ever played the game. And you take the whole thing

1240
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: and you put it on your shoulders at nineteen and

1241
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: you win it. So Magic is my guy, and I'm

1242
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: a Laker Kobe, you know it, like all of us are,

1243
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: but Magic because I'm generational, and I thought the other

1244
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 1: reason for me is for the reasons that people like

1245
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: Kobe because he was cold blooded and could hit that shot.

1246
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: I love Magic because of what we love him for.

1247
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 1: He made everybody better. And people forget the baby sky hook.

1248
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: Oh so he created an unstoppable shot like Kobe had

1249
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 1: to fade, Jordan had to fade, Kareem had the sky hook.

1250
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: Magic had the baby got it and it was unstoppable.

1251
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: I couldn't get to it, could not get to it.

1252
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: He's six nine, he's over the top. He hit you

1253
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: with that big booty, hit your banging back a couple

1254
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: of times. The big button didn't get into the little

1255
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: stutters across the lane and he was roping you or diamond.

1256
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: You you know as well as anybody, but I just

1257
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: always felt like magic to me. Okay, put it this way.

1258
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: Magic changed basketball and the way you looked at size, position, pace.

1259
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: Magic transcended the game that way. I believe. Let's do

1260
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: the in person sometimes soon. Congrats on your baby boy.

1261
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: I can tell you that when they get to four,

1262
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: when you're like, this is my best friend, this is

1263
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: the greatest thing I've ever accomplished, and you it's it's that,

1264
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: it's it's awesome. It's hard, but it's incredibly rewarding. Um,

1265
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 1: you've been off, you've been having off. I appreciate you, brother,

1266
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: and look, man, seriously, I want people put this on

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Speaker 1: the air. People don't understand when people go through their

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Speaker 1: life and meet people, but you and all those guys

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Speaker 1: we talked about. You guys had a hand in me

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Speaker 1: becoming who I am. And I hope that me sharpening

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Speaker 1: your swords was getting ya all ready for what you did.

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Speaker 1: But more than that, your father had a big impact

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Speaker 1: on me and how I viewed myself and basketball in general.

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Speaker 1: He always came to me and put his arm around me,

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Speaker 1: and said incredibly positive things to me and that always

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Speaker 1: stuck with me. So when he passed, that hurt me too.

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Speaker 1: And I want you to know that he'll be missed

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Speaker 1: because I appreciate man absolutely, Brother I might thank to

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Speaker 1: Davin Fizdel. That was that was awesome. Yes you can

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Speaker 1: retweet it, Yes you can share it, Yes you can

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Speaker 1: tell me how great it was. But because he was great,

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Speaker 1: not because of me. It was that was awesome. Remember

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Speaker 1: the Doug goll Leap shows daily daily three or six

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Speaker 1: Eastern time, twelve three Pacific on the I Heart Radio

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Speaker 1: app or Fox Sports Radio of you download podcast, that's

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Speaker 1: why you can listen to it. I'm Doug gottlie My

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Speaker 1: thanks to David Fizdale. This is all ballt