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Speaker 1: appearing Why I Talk Draft with Tony Pauline and Eric Crocker. Alright, Chris,

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Speaker 1: you had a recent mock draft come out a couple

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Speaker 1: of days ago, Evan Neil at five and then a

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Speaker 1: trade out at seven. Just take me through the mechanics

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Speaker 1: of how well that came about for you, Okay, Evan Neil,

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Speaker 1: I I feel like would be the prototype for what

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Speaker 1: Joe Shane and probably Brian Dable would want in an

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Speaker 1: offensive tackle. He's played right tackle before at Alabama. I

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Speaker 1: think his right tackle film is actually better than his

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Speaker 1: left tackle film. To some people that doesn't matter, but

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Speaker 1: usually when you asked NFL players, they always say it's

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Speaker 1: actually a lot more difficult to go from right side

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Speaker 1: think that's huge for him. Um. And then the trade

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Speaker 1: back was off of a report from Peter King of

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Speaker 1: NBC Sports earlier this week, UM, in which he stated

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Speaker 1: that he wouldn't be surprised if the Giants moved off

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Speaker 1: of either five or seven to get a first rounder

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Speaker 1: pick a quarterback, or just to have, you know, extra

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Speaker 1: first round picks again in the twenty when the three draft,

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Speaker 1: I had the Chargers moving up to pick ikey Akwana,

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Speaker 1: They just feel like they need someone else on the

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Speaker 1: right side to protect Justin Herbert. And yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: after they get their marquee prospect at five, most likely

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Speaker 1: the Giants will certainly be open to fielding calls to

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Speaker 1: moving back in round one off number seven. All right,

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Speaker 1: so let's let's talk about the trade portion of this first.

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Speaker 1: I agree the n C West has entered yolo mode. Right,

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Speaker 1: It's like everyone is like a literal arms race except

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Speaker 1: for the Chiefs. You just traded Tyreek Kale and everyone

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Speaker 1: else just keeps adding and adding and adding and adding

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Speaker 1: I think it makes sense for them, especially only if

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Speaker 1: one of those three offensive tackles are there. Right, there's

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Speaker 1: a chance, you know, they're all gone and the Panthers,

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Speaker 1: I think, like you had in your draft, good chance

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Speaker 1: they take one. Giants will be looking for one, and

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of different machinations here. What

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Speaker 1: be a trade partner. I think the Seahawks would be

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Speaker 1: They want to probably get ahead of the Carolina Panthers

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Speaker 1: at number six overall, because that organization is really struck

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Speaker 1: out on the Russell Wilson sweep steaks DeShawn Watson sweep stakes,

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Speaker 1: Brandon Being and Joe Shane. How about the Steelers, You

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Speaker 1: And I think Mike Tomlin has been pretty open about

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Speaker 1: usually like to stay put or trade back. But this

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Speaker 1: because that's really the trend, right Chris, who's gonna be

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Speaker 1: Hutchinson is going to go number one overall. Uh, The

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Speaker 1: Lions are kind of an enigma. I put Malik Willis

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Speaker 1: created a stir on Twitter and on Instagram when CBS

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Speaker 1: But we haven't really heard too much about it. We

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Speaker 1: haven't heard about you know, the Lions doing their due

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Speaker 1: liked how Jared Goff played later in the season. But

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Speaker 1: not just a different order. Some love um Travin and

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Speaker 1: at five quantum more likely, Neil more likely. Maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: I don't know, dude, he carries three forty better than

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Speaker 1: any human being I've ever seen this unbelief. I agree

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Speaker 1: think you gotta go there. You know the Giants in

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Speaker 1: I think he's a better pack. He's probably a better

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Speaker 1: at this point, just really solid better pass protector than

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Speaker 1: than Quantu. So you're looking at a quantity one Cross.

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Speaker 1: the guy that's a better pass protector. But but it

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Speaker 1: Quantity has played right tackle before Cross has not. I

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Speaker 1: looked at him in his build. I think he's much

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Speaker 1: Gardner not working out at the combine being a little

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Speaker 1: smaller with shorter arms, and people expected the Washington cornerbacks

429
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Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie and Kyler Gordon running a little bit slower

430
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Speaker 1: than people thought, being smaller than people thought, Andrew Booth

431
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Speaker 1: not being able to work out from Clemson, Sauce Garden

432
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 1: is gonna be the first corner off the board, agreed.

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Speaker 1: How about Kyle Hamilton's You know, he's a guy that

434
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people might have the highest

435
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Speaker 1: film grade on and in this class. But he's also

436
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Speaker 1: a bigger guy, right. You want safety to be able

437
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Speaker 1: to cover wide receivers. Can he cover a wide receiver?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's quick enough to do that.

439
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Speaker 1: How do you see teams view and Kyle Hamilton? Is

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Speaker 1: he a real potential top five pick, more of a

441
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Speaker 1: top ten pick or could he even be back in

442
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Speaker 1: Derwin James to playing like around fifteen ish. I think

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Speaker 1: he still goes in the top ten. Uh if he

444
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Speaker 1: falls out of the top five, I wouldn't be stunned

445
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 1: because like you mentioned, I think some teams are a

446
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Speaker 1: little leery about, hey, can you match up even with

447
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 1: a quicker tight end or a running back out of

448
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Speaker 1: the backfield at six four and two twenty. There's one

449
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: thing to say, Hey, he's really fluid for his size.

450
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Speaker 1: He's athletic for his size. But when you're on the field,

451
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Speaker 1: if there's a quicker five ten pound running back running

452
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Speaker 1: at you and he's just planned out quicker than you,

453
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how quick you are relative to your size.

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Speaker 1: What I do think is helps him a little that

455
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Speaker 1: there were initially those comparisons to Isaiah Simmons. Isaiah Simmons

456
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Speaker 1: was six thirty eight at the combine. Kyle Hamilton's six

457
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Speaker 1: to twenty. I think that's a little bit more manageable.

458
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: But in Indianapolis, Kyle Hamilton's runs four, five, nine, and

459
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were like, Oh, he's

460
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Speaker 1: gonna task run in the high four threes, jump forty

461
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Speaker 1: two inches, have a crazy broad jump. He didn't really

462
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Speaker 1: do that. So I think before the Combine it was

463
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Speaker 1: hard to find anyone that thought he would go outside

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Speaker 1: the top five. Now there could be some reservations of

465
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Speaker 1: even though I think the safety positions growing in importance

466
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Speaker 1: and value that teams might say, I don't know if

467
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Speaker 1: I can really pick a six foy pounds safety that's

468
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Speaker 1: not an elite athlete testing wise inside the top five.

469
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Speaker 1: But like you mentioned, almost everyone I've talked to you

470
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Speaker 1: and how I view him, his film is the best

471
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Speaker 1: of any prospect in this class. I think he what

472
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Speaker 1: he did even being injured, not being able to play

473
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Speaker 1: the full season at Notre Dame. The range, the blitzing ability,

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Speaker 1: uh covering underneath the run support. I think he really

475
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Speaker 1: checks a lot of the boxes on film. There's just

476
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Speaker 1: some reservations about his speed and like you mentioned, being

477
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Speaker 1: able to man up at such a big size. Yeah,

478
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: no question that. I'm with you. Who are some of

479
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Speaker 1: the guys that you think deserved to be more in

480
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Speaker 1: this top ten conversation that you don't think enough people

481
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Speaker 1: are talking about inside the top ten. I'm a big fan.

482
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean, not that he's gonna go here, but just

483
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: to kind of dive into my scouting grade police um

484
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: Arnold Ebba Katie from Penn State. I don't know if

485
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: you've watched him, John, He's really good player, I mean

486
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Speaker 1: in terms of being able to win in a variety

487
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Speaker 1: of ways. I think the burst is good, bend around

488
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: the corner, knows how to use his hands. He tested well,

489
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 1: had a thirty eight inch vertical jump. I like that

490
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: his frame is actually a little bit smaller and more compact.

491
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: I think that helps him get up and underneath bigger

492
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: offensive lineman and play with a little bit more power.

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Speaker 1: I have close to a top ten grade on him. Um.

494
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: We'll see what Drake London, the wide receiver from USC

495
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Speaker 1: does UM at his pro day. I think that will

496
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 1: ultimately determine where he goes. But in terms of contested

497
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: catchability and yards after the catch skill, being as big

498
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Speaker 1: and powerful as he is, he's a really really fun

499
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: prospect for me. Um. I'm tryn't think anyone else that

500
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Speaker 1: I really like probably won't go. I mean, I guess

501
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Speaker 1: my in general, my top ten looks like a lot

502
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Speaker 1: of people's top tens. UM, and I guess I have

503
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: Malik Willis as my number eight overall player right. I

504
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: think the rawness is definitely there. I think it will

505
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: take time for him to read coverages and react quickly

506
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: after playing at Liberty. But if you're looking for a

507
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: quarterback to jump into that stratosphere with Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes,

508
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert all the talent at least in the a

509
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Speaker 1: f C, but certainly just at this young wave of

510
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: these improvisational strong arm quarterbacks. That's Malik Willis, and we've

511
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: seen with Josh Allen, Justin Herbert was kind of viewed as, Hey,

512
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: he's he's pretty risky, he's too tentative, and he's really

513
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: taken off early in his career. Patrick Mahomes sat for

514
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Speaker 1: an entire season, but then has become this elite superstar quarterback.

515
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Speaker 1: So I think Malik Willis should and will be the

516
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Speaker 1: first quarterback off the board, even if he's not ready

517
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: to start in Week one. Yeah. I mean when you

518
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: look at Willows some of his high and throws Chris

519
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: on the move deep down the field, He's one of

520
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: the best deep balls I've seen coming out of college. Now,

521
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: the intermediate stuff is rough. I I sorted. I watched

522
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: all the stores inte ten of nineteen yards. There's a

523
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: rough stuff in there. And that's the stuff to me

524
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 1: he used to work on, you know, where you have

525
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: to fit the ball into small windows against coverages. In

526
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: the NFL. That's gonna be a problem. But boy that

527
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: by in time, his thick lower body can break tackles

528
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: and his deep ball is just on the money. Yeah,

529
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Speaker 1: And I think that's one area that with Kenny Pickett

530
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: with Matt Correll, uh, that that they're deep ball accuracy

531
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: is not nearly as good as Malik Willis. And I

532
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: think Malik Willis likes to take those shots, and I

533
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: rather have my quarterback be aggressive and then you have

534
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Speaker 1: to scale him back a little bit, then come in

535
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Speaker 1: conservative and check it down all the time. And then,

536
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Speaker 1: like you mentioned, the designed run game ability that I

537
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Speaker 1: don't think any other quarterback has. Maybe Matt Correll a

538
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: little bit um, but I think with Willis, you get

539
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Speaker 1: someone that can be that power run game with your quarterback.

540
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: That adds another element to your offense. All right, use

541
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Speaker 1: six wide receivers in your mock that you came out

542
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 1: with this week. Do you think we're gonna have that

543
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: many go in the first round? You know, we have

544
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: a lot of needs. Now, that's the thing, right, And

545
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,479
Speaker 1: that's by the way, with that the Eagles taken one,

546
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: you don't even have the Eagles taken one. You still

547
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: have six going. You don't have the Chiefs taking one,

548
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: you still have six going. So is this gonna be

549
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: a deal where because a lot of the moves we've

550
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: seen that wide receiver is gonna become a photographer a

551
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: lot of these teams in the back half of this

552
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: first round. Yeah, I think so. I think teams understand

553
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: the value of wide receiver. Like, it's an interesting position

554
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: to look at from a draft perspective because there's a surplus.

555
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 1: It seems like the last five draft classes we've said, oh,

556
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: this is the best draft class that. Why don't see

557
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: that we've had. It's just there's so many good ones.

558
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: But teams are now loading up at wide receiver, and

559
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: we've seen all of these really, you know, Cooper Cup heavy,

560
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: gigantic season, Stefon Diggs not only take off himself but

561
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: helped to elevate Josh allen Um. All around the league.

562
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: There's teams not just saying, hey, let's get a number

563
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: one and then a decent number two. Let's get a

564
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: really good number three. Watching three big time wide receivers.

565
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: I think watching what happened to the Arizona Cardinals offense

566
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Speaker 1: after DeAndre Hopkins got hurt, I think that was super

567
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: telling and and it kind of alerted teams around the league, like, hey,

568
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: even if you have a talented quarterback like Kyler Murray,

569
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Speaker 1: if you lose that number one, your offense is going

570
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: to be, you know, in a lot of trouble. So

571
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: I think the two Ohio State wide receivers are gonna

572
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: be the first two off the board. Drake London, unless

573
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: he runs like four seven at the USC Pro Day,

574
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: his film is good enough to go in the first

575
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Speaker 1: round even with the torn a c l. I think

576
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams will go in Round one. Um Johan dots

577
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: and two would be the other that at Penn State.

578
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: Maybe not as quick as you would like underneath, but

579
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: the route running skill is good and made a lot

580
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: of big time catches down the football field. And then

581
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: you have Treylon Burke's who maybe didn't run as fast

582
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: as people wanted, but at two pounds six ft two

583
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: kind of has that a J Brown tight body where

584
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: he's so hard to bring to the turf because of

585
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: his thick lower half. So I could see all six

586
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: of those wide receivers going in the first round. There's

587
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: just even teams that have good receivers like the Bills,

588
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: like the Packers. Um, well, I guess the Packers need

589
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: some receivers. Now. I could see them just loading up

590
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: because this offseason that's been the theme of go all in,

591
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: load up at as many weapons as you can, um,

592
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: just for injury and injury insurance and just it's a

593
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: passing renaissance in today's NFL. You need quality wide receivers

594
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: for whatever type of quarterback you have. All right, let's

595
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: talk about the Giants in around two. They're picking at

596
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: thirties six, I believe all the top of my head. Okay,

597
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: this is a pretty deep draft. Um. You talked about

598
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: the wide receivers you mentioned on on Ebicchetti already from

599
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: Penn State. What are some of the positions that would

600
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: provide the most value for the Giants in that thirty

601
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: five range. Yeah, Addresher, I think is with Arnold Ebcaty

602
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: that we mentioned, boy Mafe from Minnesota if he's available.

603
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: I actually pegged the Giants as a team that at

604
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: the outset of a new regime with Joe Shane and

605
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: Brian Dable, they could be a team that could pick

606
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: David a. Jabo from Michigan and say, hey, look, you

607
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: have your torn achilles we're not really expecting much from

608
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: you as a rookie, but we're almost feeling like next

609
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: year we'd be getting an extra first round pick because

610
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: had David a Jabo not torn his a C or

611
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: his achilles at his pro day at Michigan, he would

612
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Speaker 1: have been a first round pick. So that could be

613
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: something that a lot of other teams might say, Hey,

614
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: we need an addresser that's gonna play right now in September.

615
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: The Giants could say, hey, we're fine with you not

616
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: being able to play, maybe until December or not until

617
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: year two. UM, addresser is very good corner. I think

618
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna see a ton go off the board um

619
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Speaker 1: in that you know, thirty three to forty five range

620
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: somewhere in the first half of the second round. Andrew

621
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Speaker 1: Booth from clems In like I mentioned the two Washington cornerbacks. Uh.

622
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: Roger McCreary from Auburn has shorter arms, but he can

623
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: come man. Yeah. His coverage ability go back to the

624
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen film against Jamaar Chase when Roger McCreary was

625
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: a sophomore. He gave Jamaar Chase probably the toughest assignment

626
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: that he had in that record breaking season with Joe

627
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: Burrow at l s U and then like you mentioned,

628
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, just covering the Alabama receivers last year, Jamison

629
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: Williams the guy's last year, Davante Smith and Jalen Waddle.

630
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: Roger McCreary is a really good coverage cornerback, made a

631
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: lot of plays on the football at drusher and corner

632
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: would probably be the two positions that I feel like

633
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: there will be high caliber prospects available when the Giants

634
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: go on the clock and round two. The Giants won

635
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: a wide receiver to you know, supplement to Areas, Tony Something, Canny, Golladay,

636
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 1: Storm Shep whenever he gets back from his injury. Do

637
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: you think they got him pull that trigger with that

638
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: second round pick or can they wait to the top

639
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: of the third round? And if so, who are some

640
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: of the guys that you might be able to consider

641
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: ad wide out in that third round area? Um, if

642
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: there are six receivers that go in the first round,

643
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: I think they'll be a little bit more uh like

644
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: feeling like they need to pick a wide receiver in

645
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: round two. But in the third round, I mean there's

646
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: there's going to be good players pick like I mentioned

647
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: there's a surplus of talented wide receivers and seemingly every

648
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: draft class. Khalil Shakier from Boise State is a name

649
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: that I think, Um, the Giants will like a lot,

650
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: very good after the catch played in the slot, but

651
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: I think you can move him around, made a lot

652
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: of tough catches. The body controlled down the football field

653
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: is really really good for him. And like you mentioned,

654
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: to have Sterling Shepherd, to have Kadarius Tony, you have

655
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: the yards after the catchability. Could that be something that

656
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: that that the Giants ultimately want to have as a

657
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: staple in their offense. I think that would make a

658
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: lot of sense for Daniel Jones um, and certainly what

659
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: the Bills had with Cole Beasley, especially in Stefon Diggs,

660
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: very good creating after the catch making defenders mess Um

661
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: Kelvin Austin from Memphis is another one. Smaller, but man,

662
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of speed. It's not easy to

663
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: cover him one on on uh. Daniel Jones has had

664
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: a nice connection with Darius Layton, and when healthy, when

665
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: he's had his entire group, which has been barely any games,

666
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones has been willing to throw the football down

667
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: the field and has been a good downfield thrower. So

668
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: Calvin Austin someone maybe more of a gadget type, but

669
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: that's really okay to pick that type of player in

670
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: round three. Wendell Robin Kentucky is another player like that. Yes,

671
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: there will certainly be Even if we see six or

672
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: seven wide receivers go in the top forty in round three,

673
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,959
Speaker 1: the Giants can still get a quality player that can

674
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: come in and contribute as a rookie and early on

675
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: that rookie contract. Speaking of bringing a guy in the

676
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: position they need to contribute tight end, the Giants basically

677
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: of Ricky Seals Jones and Ricky Steals Jones. That's kind

678
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: of where they are right now. Where's the sweet spot

679
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: for tight ends in this draft where you can, you know,

680
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: get the most bang for your buck. I think it's

681
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: right in that same area like late Day two, early

682
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: day three. Uh, there's not obviously a Kyle Pitts in

683
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: this class. And I think Trey McBride from Colorado out

684
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: of state from who I've talked to, he seems to

685
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: be the consensus number one and that he was super productive.

686
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: He won the John Mackie Award as the best tight

687
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: end in college football last year. I think he had

688
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: over like eighty catches. Not crazy explosive, but he gets open.

689
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 1: His separation skill, the nuance or out running is certainly there.

690
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: He catches everything. He was really the focal point of

691
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: that Colorado State offense, but he feels more like a

692
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: second or a third rounder. I really like Jeremy Ruckert

693
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: from Ohio State. Unfortunate that that he couldn't work out

694
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: at the Ohio State Pro Day with him having a

695
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: lower body injury that could push him down the board.

696
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: Great blocker. I think Brian Dable certainly factors that in

697
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: that that you can be on the field in that

698
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: inline position, you don't really give a towel to the

699
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: defense that you're gonna throw it um. I think Jeremy

700
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: Ruckert will be a better pro than he was at

701
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: Ohio State being on that offense with Garrett Wilson and

702
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: Chris O Lavy, Jackson Smith and the Jigba who's probably

703
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: gonna be a first round pick next year. Didn't see

704
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: a lot of footballs and that's similar to of what

705
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: happened with Dawson Knox at Ole mess playing with DK

706
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: Metcalf and A. J. Brown and the Bills traded up

707
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: to get him in the third round and he's becoming

708
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: a quality player. Jeremy ruckerd kind of feels like that

709
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 1: type um. And then you have Isaiah Likely and Greg

710
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: dual Chich from Coastal Carolina and U. C. L A, respectively,

711
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: two really good receivers that are different. Isaiah Likely underneath

712
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: yards after the catch, kind of like a big running

713
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: back and h back type if that's the the direction

714
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 1: that the Giants want to go. And then Greg Dulchich

715
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: is just down the scene, linear speed. I think he's

716
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: a little stiff changing directions, but he's someone that can

717
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: really hit you, like a fifty yard touchdown running right

718
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: down the middle of the field. So there's kind of

719
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: different flavors in this class. Not an amazing tight end group,

720
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: but don't be surprised if you're saying, John that the

721
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: Giants you know, don't have a lot at that position,

722
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: and they're going to target that if they pick one

723
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,479
Speaker 1: in the third to fifth round range and he comes

724
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: in and he's catching footballs as a rookie, Yeah, I'm

725
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: with you. I think it's a pretty deep group. How

726
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: about linebacker. We've been talking about the linebackers in this class.

727
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: Give me the overview, you know, who are the guys

728
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: at the top you like and and kind of how

729
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: deep does that group go? Uh, My top would be

730
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: similar to pretty much everyone. Nicobe Dean Uh to me

731
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: is the best linebacker in terms of his three down ability.

732
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: I think his coverage is great. I'm actually a little

733
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: bit lower on Devin Lloyd. I think he reminds me

734
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: a lot of Kenneth Murray and Jordan Brooks, two linebackers

735
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: that went in the first round in and there was

736
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: so much hype about them because of their size, there athleticism,

737
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: their range as run defenders. But as has kind of

738
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: been a central theme of this podcast, you've got to

739
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: be a good pass protector if you're a offensive lineman,

740
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: you have to be good in coverage, if you're a corner,

741
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: if you're a safety, and if you're a linebacker. I

742
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: don't really see the coverage ability with Devin Lloyd. Um

743
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: Chad Muma from Wyoming I think is another really good

744
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: three down player that if the Giants wanted to address that,

745
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: he would make sense second or it around and a

746
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: lot of times, you know we always want to think

747
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: that teams are gonna go biggest need in round one,

748
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: second biggest need in round two, third biggest need in

749
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: round three. A lot of times they truly stacked their

750
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: board and they picked the best available player, um just

751
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: relative to who's available for them. So I think Chad

752
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: Muma certainly should be someone that should be on the

753
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: Giants fans radar and Troy Anderson from Montana State. Yeah,

754
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: there's a former Scrambling quarterback who won Offensive Player of

755
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: the Year at the FCS level and then the next

756
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: season he's playing linebacker and he flies all over the

757
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: football field, had a really good combine. He's a bigger player,

758
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: and yes, he was playing at the FCS level at

759
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: Montana State, so it will take him time to acclimate

760
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: to the difference in speed at the NFL level. But

761
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: if we're talking about someone that put on the film

762
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: that he did in one season as a linebacker, I

763
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: think the future is a very very bright for Troy

764
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: Anderson could be a third round pick. A few other

765
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: names Channing tin Doll from Georgia, a little smaller but

766
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: super duper fast. Brian Samoa another one that I think

767
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: the Giants could like um, given what Joe Shane had

768
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: in Buffalo with Matt Milano, that he's a smaller UM,

769
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: speedy player, Brian Simoa all around the football field, a

770
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: little bit smaller size, But I think you want your

771
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: linebackers to be in the two twenty maybe two thirty range.

772
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: At this point, they're getting smaller and smaller seemingly every year.

773
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: All right, Let's say the Giants get wiped out at

774
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: offensive tackle in the first round, right, they can't get

775
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: Neil or Kwan, who Charles Cross isn't there? They have

776
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: to have Sauce Gardener or something like that. And then

777
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: they get to the second round, like, boy, we need

778
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle here. Where could they go? Is that

779
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: really the worst case scenario? Or is there depth at

780
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: that position? If you they get wiped out at ot

781
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: in around one, what are their options? I think they

782
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: have a fair amount of them. This is a really

783
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: good offensive tackle class, not just because of those top three,

784
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: uh top tier UM offensive tackles that we talked about

785
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: that everyone's really understanding. You're probably gonna go inside the

786
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: top ten. Daniel File from Minnesota. His films a little

787
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: weird because he's six eight almost four pounds like three

788
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: eight ninety. But he's kind of reminds me of Orlando

789
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: Brown when he came out of Oklahoma. It's the third

790
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: round pick by the Ravens. And no, he's not the twitchiest.

791
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: He's a little heavy footed because he's so big, but

792
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: he's just so gigantic that it takes so long for

793
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: edge rushers to get around him. I think his movement

794
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: skills for as big as he is, are pretty impressive. Um.

795
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith is another name from Tulsa. Actually get him

796
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: some first round buzz, late first round buzz. At this point,

797
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: if you've watched him, John, his hands are all over

798
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: the place. Got It's almost like no one's coached him. Yeah,

799
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: it's like he he like hugs the edge rushers. I

800
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: don't understand what was going on there, But at like

801
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: six five, three thirty with long arms, he's a dancing bear,

802
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: like he's all over the foot all field. Getting to

803
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: the second level his past protection, Um, in terms of

804
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: just his traits really pop on film. That would be

805
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: a really good selection. Maybe a little bit more of

806
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: a developmental type, but I think you could plug him

807
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: in and he's gonna get after it in the run game.

808
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: You'll just take him some time. Maybe, like similar to

809
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas, where Andrew Thomas looked pretty bad in his

810
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: rookie season and then that last month or so really

811
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: came into his own. Certainly, Tyler Smith is not as

812
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: technically sound as Andrew Thomas was, but a similar type

813
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: player that big, really physical. The athleticism pops UM. Trying

814
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: to think of any other offensive tackles UM that will

815
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: likely go in that range round too, Um Kellen Dice

816
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: from Arizona State. He's more of a smaller athletic type.

817
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: UM needs to get a lot stronger, but in terms

818
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: of movement skills and fundamentals, he's like the opposite of

819
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith that that he needs to get stronger, but

820
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: his handwork very good inside the shoulder pads frequently UH

821
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: can get lateral on those stretch one. We don't really

822
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: know what the Giants offensive philosophy is going to look like,

823
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: but if they do want to use more zone blocking,

824
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: Kellen diretch would make a lot of sense. Max Mitchell

825
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: is the last one that I'll mention. Um from Louisiana

826
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 1: Lafayette career right tackle, so there would not be any

827
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: positional movement for him, and he's another one that just

828
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: has really good film. He's a complete player. He certainly

829
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: needs to add more weight like most UH college offensive

830
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: tackles do once they get to the next level, but

831
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: the handwork is good. I think he can recover well

832
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: when he's beaten because he's a good athlete UH and

833
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: can definitely get across the line and get out in

834
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: front of some of those zone blocking place giants can

835
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: use a guard and or a center as well. Here

836
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: Chris Day two, early Day three, maybe even top of

837
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: the fourth round. I it's just a really deep draft

838
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: class generally. Who are some of the interior guys center

839
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: guards that giant fans should be keeping an eye on

840
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: all right? Dylan Parham from Memphis is the first name

841
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: that I'll mention that he's shorter, but he's really compact

842
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: and for a lot of the same reasons that I

843
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: actually like when edge rushers are a little bit shorter,

844
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: because it gives you that low center of gravity that's

845
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: still in power. It's almost impossible to push him back

846
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: into the quarterback. I don't necessarily think he's the strongest

847
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: blocker in this class, but you just cannot get out

848
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: or you just cannot out leverage Dylan Powam So Memphis,

849
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: Dylan POWERM keep a name or keep an eye on

850
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: that name. And Lectus Smith from Virginia Tech is another one.

851
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: Very fundamentally sound, never lunging, getting out over his feet, uh,

852
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: losing his balance. He was really on the draft right

853
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: our last year, decided to come back for that final

854
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: season after everything with the pandemic, and he put really

855
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: good film out there at Virginia Tech. Another one built

856
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Speaker 1: load of the ground, very powerful. I think he's equally

857
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: as good in the run game as he is in

858
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Speaker 1: past protection. Is that fantastic in either area, But someone

859
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: that I think has a pretty high floor um and

860
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: then if they want center guard flexibility, Cold Strange from

861
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: Chattanooga is a really fun watch on film chat out

862
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: the Kentucky game where he's facing SEC defensive lineman and

863
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: Cole Strange playing left guard UM at this tiny school

864
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 1: is really holding his own and moving these bigger, wider,

865
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Speaker 1: stronger Kentucky defensive lineman. He tested really well at the

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Speaker 1: Combine two and a lot of people that I've talked

867
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Speaker 1: to said, hey, this guy can be a starting center

868
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Speaker 1: in year one and maybe by halfway through his rookie

869
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: season or year two, if he adds more weight, can

870
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Speaker 1: be a better, you know, younger athletic guard at the

871
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Speaker 1: next level. Interesting. What do you think of jim Ary Salier.

872
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: He's a guy that it's kind of sloppy, like he

873
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: doesn't like his body is kind all over the place,

874
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Speaker 1: but he never seems to get beat. And I wonder

875
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Speaker 1: once you get him into guard and he's not in

876
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: space to tackle, I think that's a guy that you

877
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Speaker 1: could find, you know, late day to early day three

878
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Speaker 1: where at guard, I think his physical skill set would

879
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: allow him to be an even better player inside. Yeah,

880
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: so years really interesting because, like you mentioned, and I

881
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: think what you're probably alluding to that college football playoff

882
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 1: game against Aiden Hutchinson where Salier really did a great

883
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Speaker 1: job against him. Everyone kind of thought that that was

884
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Speaker 1: gonna be a game that was really gonna catapult Aidan

885
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Speaker 1: Hutchinson after the great season that he had, and he

886
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Speaker 1: was shut down in that game by someone in Sallier.

887
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Speaker 1: That's pretty stiff. He's heavy footed. He looks like a

888
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Speaker 1: guard who was playing almost out a position. It looked

889
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Speaker 1: like at Georgia. Most people that I've talked to and

890
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Speaker 1: kind of how I view him is in at the

891
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Speaker 1: guard position. But yes, he definitely has that kind of

892
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Speaker 1: collectio semile Mold where he was a college right tackle

893
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: or college left tackle. In this case, um will be

894
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: better at guard. He has a guard's body, UM and

895
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: will be a little bit better protected in a more

896
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: confined space. But the power is there, the fundamentals are there.

897
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: He's not off balance very frequently, and to me, the

898
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: times when Sallier was off balance, it was when he

899
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Speaker 1: was on an island tackle. That's not where he belongs

900
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Speaker 1: and that's not likely where he's gonna play in the NFL. Alright, Chris,

901
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Speaker 1: I got two more for you. You've been referencing it

902
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: throughout the show, but you're up in the buffal area.

903
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: You grew up a Bills fan. Give me a feel

904
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Speaker 1: here for what Giant fans should be expecting in terms

905
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: of process players, type of players that they'll like from

906
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: Joe Shane and Brian Dable as they start to figure

907
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Speaker 1: out here what direction they're going to try to take

908
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: this Giants franchise. Yeah, there is a distinct philosophy that

909
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: the Bills have had, or that they had during the

910
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: era of Joe Shane being there is that not being

911
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: afraid to roll the dice on a raw but high

912
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: upside player. And that goes for Josh Allen trading up

913
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Speaker 1: for him in the draft nine picks later, trading up

914
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Speaker 1: for Tremaine Edmonds, who was this tall, long nineteen year

915
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: old linebacker, picking Gregory Rousseau in the back end of

916
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: the first round last year, and then picking Spencer Brown

917
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: from Northern Iowa who had a crazy Pro Day workout.

918
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Speaker 1: Northern Iowa didn't even play football. In the six nine

919
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: pounds like looks like a tall tight end out there

920
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: certainly was raw coming from a smaller school level. They

921
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Speaker 1: really are not afraid to do that. They trust the

922
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Speaker 1: coaching staff, they trust the scheme, They trust those type

923
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Speaker 1: of players. So if there's one thing that that maybe

924
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Speaker 1: not even just at five and seven, but in the second, third,

925
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Speaker 1: and fourth round, don't be surprised if the Giants are

926
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Speaker 1: picking uh Tarik Wooln. The u T s a cornerback

927
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Speaker 1: that six three two pounds ran four to six at

928
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Speaker 1: the combine. Maybe not the best coverage player at this point,

929
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Speaker 1: but if you coach him up, you put him in

930
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: the right scheme, he can be a serious playmaker. That

931
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: was really the biggest philosophy. And one other um that

932
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Speaker 1: I don't know if this will translate. The Bills were

933
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Speaker 1: always okay picking cornerbacks later they the fourth round Terren Johnson,

934
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: they're starting nickel corner was the earliest that in the

935
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: Joe Shane Brandon Bean era that the Bills picked a cornerback.

936
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Speaker 1: Don't know if if that was maybe the Bills scheme

937
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: Sean McDermot schemes not the same really at all as

938
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Speaker 1: Mink Martindale's. But they were always okay with be good

939
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Speaker 1: in the pass rush and then have your corners be

940
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Speaker 1: able to kind of feast off the the quarterbacks being

941
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: a lot more hurried more frequently. They had Tredivious White that, yes,

942
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Speaker 1: was the first round pick, but from they were you know,

943
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Speaker 1: Levi Wallace was an undrafted free agent uh Dane Jackson

944
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 1: who they kind of put in their um last season

945
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Speaker 1: when tradevious White got injured. Seventh round selection. They picked

946
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Speaker 1: some safeties on Day three. They were very much about

947
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 1: shoring up the defensive front seven before going into the secondary. Yeah,

948
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Speaker 1: they did spend money on the two safeties though, right,

949
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: which is interesting. It's almost like they valued that spot,

950
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Speaker 1: you know, a little bit more than the corn Now

951
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: you mentioned White was there, so that's obviously a big

952
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: part of the conversation. They clearly valued having no safeties

953
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: back there to kind of, you know, be that backstop. Yeah.

954
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: The one thing I'll say about that, which it's it's

955
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: kind of fascinating and I'm not sure the right answer,

956
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: but it'll be funded monitor. They definitely do value the

957
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: safety position. Uh. And I think Joe Shane, having watched

958
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: the tandem of Micah Hyde and Jordan Player, he understands

959
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: how valuable having two versatile safeties that can play strong safety,

960
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: free safety, rotate in and out, um do a lot

961
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 1: of different things. Does that mean though, because Micah Hyde

962
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: was a free agent signing and Jordan Player was a

963
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: low level free agent signing a fifth round pick and

964
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: a seventh round pick, if Joe Shade looks at it as, hey,

965
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: we can get the exact type that we want later

966
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: in the draft. Let's pinpoint a specific versatile player or

967
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: is he like, hey, safety is really valuable, we need

968
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: to pick Kyle Hamilton's who can do a lot of

969
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: different things. It'll be interesting to see how that unfolds,

970
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: and I think we'll get, you know, a clear story

971
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: of how Joe Shane views building that position out. Is

972
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: it on the free agent market eventually maybe next offseason,

973
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: or is he saying, hey, safety, if you have that

974
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: position down, your secondary has two quarterbacks back there and

975
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: they go Kyle Hamilton's round one and then pick another

976
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 1: one in round three, round four, be interesting to see

977
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: how they ultimately unfolded the safety spot. Yeah, and does

978
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: building for Wink Martindale need a different strategies than building McDermott.

979
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: You like, It's just stuff that we don't know yet.

980
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: All right, final question, I think we'll probably use us

981
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Speaker 1: for our promo two. You don't have to go with

982
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: your mocktrat. You can do whatever you want. Give me

983
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: the Giants ideal scenario with their first three picks in

984
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: this draft. Who do they walk away with? What do

985
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: they do? Okay, first three selections, I think most ideal

986
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: for the Giants would be Cavon Thibadeaux at number five

987
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: overall because the upside, because they need an add rusher.

988
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: He fits the profile of what I think Joe Shane

989
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: will like, what Wink Martindale will like to have an

990
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: elite pass rusher on the outside, a little bit raw,

991
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: but the the upside is Miles Garrett Ask Then at

992
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: number seven, I think ikey Akwandu from NCY State, if

993
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,959
Speaker 1: he's there, plug him in at right tackle on those

994
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: strong side raw he can really be that road grader

995
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: in the run game for Sae Kwon. Barkley will help

996
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 1: the play action game, and I think eventually he can

997
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: be a quality player as a pass protector. Um there's

998
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: upside there because even though he's not crazy big, the

999
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: athleticism certainly pops on film. And then how about in

1000
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: the second round, actually a name that I didn't mention,

1001
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: sky More, the wide receiver from the Sky. I love

1002
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: this guy's film yards after the catch, he gets off

1003
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: press coverage very efficiently with his feet, with his hands,

1004
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: makes a lot of contested catches, diving grabs down the

1005
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: football field. Whether it's Daniel Jones for the next ten

1006
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: years or another quarterback that the Giants picked later on,

1007
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: I think sky More would really compliment Cadarius Tony, Uh,

1008
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: Kenny Golladay, Sterling Shepherd. You can play him in the slot,

1009
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 1: you can play him on the perimeter, and like five

1010
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: nine and almost two hundred pounds. He kind of has

1011
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: a running backs body, very good after the catch too,

1012
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: So Cavon Thibadeau at five Iakwano it's even and then

1013
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: sky Moore, uh inside the top forty in the second round.

1014
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: Chris great stuff man. Really appreciate the time. Always fun

1015
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: catching up with you, stay save up there and anything

1016
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Speaker 1: you want to promote, anything you have going on that

1017
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Speaker 1: you want to make sure that people know about. UM.

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Speaker 1: Not really, I mean you bought one of my scouting

1019
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Speaker 1: grade books. That's my grading system. I really appreciate that.

1020
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Speaker 1: That's kind of what I'm just selling on the side.

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Speaker 1: It's not anything tied to CBS Sports, but it's just

1022
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Speaker 1: my grading system that I use. You can, yeah, just

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Speaker 1: just click the link in my bio on TikTok or

1024
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Speaker 1: on Twitter. It's really just a comprehensive way for me

1025
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Speaker 1: to build out my big board. If you're not watching

1026
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Speaker 1: three prospects, which you're most likely not, that's totally fine.

1027
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Speaker 1: If you want to just watch the top five quarterbacks,

1028
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Speaker 1: top five receivers. There are skill and talent categories that

1029
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Speaker 1: are weighted. You can change the labels on those are

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Speaker 1: fully customizable. UM. And then what's nice is and what

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Speaker 1: I needed. As you're filling out these grades, you can

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Speaker 1: use any grading scale you want, one to ten, three

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Speaker 1: to seven, one to a hundred. The big ord builds

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Speaker 1: itself so you can just watch five quarterbacks, watch five

1035
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Speaker 1: offensive linemen, fill in those categories with your own numbers,

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Speaker 1: and then you click on the big board tab and

1037
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Speaker 1: they'll all be sorted for you. So you're not trying

1038
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Speaker 1: to move up an offensive tackle ahead of a wide

1039
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Speaker 1: receiver and you're not really sure where the corner fits in.

1040
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Speaker 1: All the numbers are are built out for you in

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Speaker 1: the scouting grade book. Yeah, guys, it's it's it's a

1042
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Speaker 1: real fun tool. Make sure you go check it out. Chris,

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Speaker 1: awesome time man, let's talk soon. Enjoy the rest of

1044
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Speaker 1: the draft process, my friend. Thanks, John, really appreciate it,

1045
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: Christian Posso CBS Sports. Make sure you check about on

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Speaker 1: Twitter as well, all this great stuff on CBS sports

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Speaker 1: dot com. I'm John Schmilk. We'll see you next time

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