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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: What's up? Man?

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Speaker 3: You know me being me?

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Speaker 2: You feeling good? Feeling this. I'm just amazing nice, so good.

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Speaker 2: Right now.

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Speaker 3: I'm enjoying this sleeveless life.

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Speaker 2: It's really hot. We're in that time of year every year. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we get to you know, in in Oakland.

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Speaker 3: And the Bay Area now in October.

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Speaker 2: Our summer is used to be September. Now it's September October.

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Speaker 2: It is very hot, and we kind of get loopy

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Speaker 2: a little bit every year around this time.

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Speaker 3: So annual tradition.

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Speaker 2: Now listen, dude, you know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, do I tell me all right? Brad

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Speaker 3: Pitt's fan page so ridiculous. No, for real, dude. It

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Speaker 3: it was able to like Hoover three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars out of the fans.

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Speaker 2: Wait, his fan page working the fans.

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Speaker 3: Apparently, it wasn't his official fan page. It was just

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Speaker 3: a Brad Pitt fan page someone created. And these people

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Speaker 3: thought that they were able to contact Brad Pitt through

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Speaker 3: his fan page apparently, and then they thought Brad Pitt

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Speaker 3: was contacting them back through the fan page so then

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Speaker 3: they thought they got into a relationship online with Brad

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Speaker 3: Pitt through his fan page, stick with me, and then

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Speaker 3: they're like, I should probably start sending Brad Pitt money.

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Speaker 3: He needs money, because he asked them like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I got this thing, man, I got a barrow, a

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Speaker 3: little bit, a little tight little you know, come on, baby,

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Speaker 3: exactly with the kids. You know, I got a lot

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Speaker 3: of kids. So apparently they're like, okay, baby, I got it,

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Speaker 3: and then sent him three hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: What I want to know is we talk about this often.

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Speaker 3: Where are all these suckers with all this money? Like

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Speaker 3: there's like all these people like just sitting on one

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars and like I'm gonna give it to

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Speaker 3: a Brad Pitt Facebook fan page. What like, how did

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Speaker 3: you get the one hundred grand in the first place?

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Speaker 3: Wait a second, I just stop thinking that people are

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Speaker 3: in any level of intelligence because they have money. That's

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Speaker 3: it bias.

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Speaker 2: How many fans?

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Speaker 3: Was it three? Three different fans already?

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Speaker 2: I thought it was like three, No, three fans.

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Speaker 3: One was in northern Spain. She sent in one hundred

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Speaker 3: and sixty eight thousand dollars in multiple money transfers. Another

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Speaker 3: lived in Granada, Spain. She sent in one hundred and

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Speaker 3: seventy five thousand dollars, Yeah, exactly, and ninety four thousand

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Speaker 3: apparently I had been recovered. I don't know it's there.

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Speaker 2: There was the third one. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't have it in front of my notes, but

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Speaker 3: uh yes, Basically these were gullible people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah who And.

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Speaker 3: I'm wondering is how did how did they hold Not

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Speaker 3: that they they don't deserve to have money. I'm just

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Speaker 3: saying that because they're dumb and saying is how do

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Speaker 3: they manage to not be tricked by They're so tricks

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Speaker 3: so easily. How is it not just pouring through their

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Speaker 3: fingers or out of their pockets or like leaving it

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Speaker 3: in like I left it in the window still and

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Speaker 3: I came back and it was gone, you know, Like

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't lose faith in people.

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Speaker 3: I was fay the money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is ridiculous. That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting a bread fat book fan page.

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Speaker 2: What I miss is like earlier in the early days

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Speaker 2: of the Internet, when people would either like post their

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Speaker 2: art or like Actually early days of at Sea, before

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Speaker 2: it came like an all the express turnover, people would

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Speaker 2: do their art and I used to look up fan

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Speaker 2: art and I was obsessed with people's bad fan art,

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Speaker 2: like lopsided faces. You're like, oh, that's supposed.

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Speaker 3: To be you know, it's a box.

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Speaker 2: How did you know?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And so there were like a lot of Christian Slater

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Speaker 2: ones You're like always melting, you know, those kind of things,

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Speaker 2: and it just does. It's hard to find Nicholson people

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Speaker 2: are too. It's Ai has taken over.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you.

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Speaker 2: So now I want to do bad brad Pit fan.

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Speaker 3: Art search this coming weekend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now I have something to do.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Came for it?

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Speaker 2: Arresting a dog? What this is ridiculous crime? A podcast

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Speaker 2: about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons It's always

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Speaker 2: ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I know you don't heard that.

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Speaker 2: You are well aware of the fact that I love dogs.

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Speaker 3: What Yeah, dogs, come on, the little furry things. I'm

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Speaker 3: a blow to the ground.

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Speaker 2: I'm a childless dog lady.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you are the most childless dog lady that I know.

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Speaker 2: In my life, I've always had multiple dogs at a time,

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Speaker 2: and that's like starting day one I came on this earth,

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Speaker 2: and I was born in eighteen forty six.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot of dogs.

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Speaker 2: So that's why it's weird for me right now because

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Speaker 2: I don't have any dog at all.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, dog lady, how are you dogging with

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Speaker 3: no dog?

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Speaker 2: You know, my my sweet pop Elliott you lost him

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Speaker 2: December of twenty twenty two now, and I'm only just

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Speaker 2: now emotionally able to get a dog, Like it's just now.

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Speaker 2: I've been dog sitting and you know, creeping on.

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Speaker 3: Neighbors dogs, talking around with meat in your pockets.

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Speaker 2: I'm in the market and I have a line on

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Speaker 2: a cute dude or two. Really, I'm all about shelter rescue.

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Speaker 3: Yes I know, and like free home to dogs and

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Speaker 3: rescue sanctuaries.

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Speaker 2: In my long history of dog ownership, I've had some

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Speaker 2: seriously smart dogs.

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Speaker 3: Like they could like do math, Yeah, they could chops

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Speaker 3: they file your taxes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, But I've also had morons, you know, I like them.

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Speaker 2: It was just like you can look and watch the

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Speaker 2: sunlight come through both ears I've had quite a few

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Speaker 2: rascals also do, although rarely in the moment is rascally entertaining.

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Speaker 2: You're like, but then later it's maddening to have a

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Speaker 2: dog who's smart and will full and then also has

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Speaker 2: that naughty streak.

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Speaker 3: Yes, a smart rascals whet frustrating, but like for some,

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Speaker 3: their their naughtiness is like tipping over kitchen garbage.

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Speaker 2: K Yes, And like some when they're little puppies they

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Speaker 2: eat shoes, summer escape artists.

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Speaker 3: That go to your neighbor's house, break in, steal something,

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Speaker 3: come back to the hips.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I've had a couple of and like

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Speaker 2: some like to needle at neighboring pets, you know, generally felions.

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Speaker 2: I'm partial to terriers, so I know rascals. Those are rascalies.

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Speaker 2: But rascalism and dogs is not breed specific. Let's just

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Speaker 2: put it that way. Every dog has the potential to

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Speaker 2: be a rascal, and almost every dog is one bad

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Speaker 2: decision away from being enough of a rascal to wind

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Speaker 2: up here on ridiculous time. I have a bunch of

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Speaker 2: those to tell you. Oh yeah, wait, before.

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Speaker 3: You get into this, I got one question. You said

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Speaker 3: that Rascals can be in any breed.

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Speaker 2: You don't think so, oh I do.

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Speaker 3: Do you think there's like rascal Golden Retrievers, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: rascal pit bulls, rascal huskies.

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Speaker 2: I know a rascally pitbull. Do you named Luna?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a rascal, total rascal. Uh huh. I had

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Speaker 2: a I don't know. I had a Rottweiler who was

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Speaker 2: just too stupid to be rascally. But I'm sure they're

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Speaker 2: rascally Rottweiler.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting. Yeah, it's is new to me.

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Speaker 2: Rascals in every every stripe.

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Speaker 2: I just thought carriers are, especially because.

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Speaker 3: Dogs are so bred to be work dogs and then

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Speaker 3: have become more pleasure dogs. I've always heard that a

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Speaker 3: some of them may just not be rascal. I think

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Speaker 3: it's just you that's not a work dog behavior.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you put a work dog into a

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Speaker 3: They don't have something to do, yeah, they're going to

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Speaker 3: get rascally. Great point. I like that so much.

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Speaker 2: So I mentioned like dogs tipping over kitchen garbage chairs.

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Speaker 2: They love that. Who doesn't stealing smelly trash? Dog past them, yes,

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Speaker 2: and like sometimes they go for bigger scores in bigger ways,

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Speaker 2: Orleans in eighteen ninety one. Oh hell yeah, a German

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Speaker 2: Man walked into police headquarters and he was super fired up,

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Speaker 2: they chill him out and they find out that what

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Speaker 2: he wants is for a dog to be arrested. Article

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Speaker 2: about this ran in the Philadelphia Inquirer, and like, boy,

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Speaker 2: oh boy, is it an interesting snapshot of xenophobia. Oh well, Like, first,

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Speaker 2: let me state that, you know, you do some out

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Speaker 2: there accents from time to time, but they always come

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Speaker 2: from a good place. Yes, you know, they may be broad,

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Speaker 2: but they aren't malicious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, mostly the French. I'm sorry, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Incapable of pronouncing things in other languages as well as

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Speaker 2: in English, and that's just a testament to my intellectual inferiority.

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Speaker 2: It's not malicious. So this newspaper article I think falls

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Speaker 2: into our camp. But like it goes really over the

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Speaker 2: top to actually write out a very bad German accent. M.

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Speaker 2: So let me give you some quotes quote this is

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Speaker 2: what they're saying that the German told the police he

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Speaker 2: stole their flesh. I half bought for mine, Frau and

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Speaker 2: childrens and devil half no dinner unless I get their

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Speaker 2: money to buy them some flesh. Oh downer vetter, there's

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Speaker 2: that dog now. The excited Teuton's exclamation was caused by

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Speaker 2: the appearance of a great, shaggy coated Saint Bernard, who

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Speaker 2: wagged his tail at every occupant in the room and

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Speaker 2: licked his chops in a satisfied manner, which caused the

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Speaker 2: German to break out again. Look just look, cried the

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Speaker 2: poor man, dancing around the room like a hen on

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Speaker 2: a hot griddle. Look at that Robert laughing at me.

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Speaker 4: He steals montflesh and then he calms here and laughs

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Speaker 4: right in mind face. Captain, I vaunts that dog arrested

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Speaker 4: Heva's one big deef. Oh hemail vy pound una half

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Speaker 4: de flesh vought Lizzie von half made Undo Hamburger steak

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Speaker 4: for der family.

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Speaker 2: Gone down that rascal, and the enraged German fell to

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Speaker 2: weeping as if he'd been in attendance at his own funeral.

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Speaker 3: Who wrote, I don't know penciling down. All right, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I want to see the steno pad. I want to

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Speaker 3: this is made up.

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Speaker 2: So the guy with the Saint Bernard, he explains in English,

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Speaker 2: as noted in the paper, that the dog smelled the

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Speaker 2: meat that the German guy was carrying in his hand.

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Speaker 2: The flesh, yeah, the dye flesh. And the man with

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Speaker 2: the dog attested to the fact that the dog was

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Speaker 2: usually very good and honorable, usually yeah, but that being

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Speaker 2: a rascal got the better of him in that moment. Sure,

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Speaker 2: and so that one bad decision landed him in the papers.

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Speaker 2: And then me telling you today. The dog for the

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Speaker 2: ages Darren. According to the paper quote, so without consulting

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Speaker 3: Another wrongly penned up black.

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Speaker 3: I knew it. You have to tell to me, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: The cat. No cat died, No cat died at all. Zero.

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Speaker 3: Porch cushions, you get a new couch.

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Speaker 2: They said Pep needed to be rehomed. So the governor

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Speaker 3: Everyone happen.

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Speaker 2: The governor he found out and this is something that

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Speaker 2: These letters came from all over the globe. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: Pep was roaming around our estate leading a blameless life

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Speaker 3: I like that this governor's wife seems to actually love

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Speaker 3: Hey, I love that dog.

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Speaker 2: How you doing dogs of dogs?

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Speaker 3: Dogs? Yeah, books too.

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Speaker 2: This is probably one of my favorite subjects. Dogs and

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Speaker 2: non murder crime dogs.

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Speaker 3: I'm in heaven right pretty much. I gives you both

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Speaker 3: through Angel Wings.

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Speaker 2: I should do a podcast just about dogs, you could like,

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Speaker 2: not about bad boy dogs like what this is, but

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Speaker 3: Dogs in general. Dogs by Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: Do a write in campaign to iHeart.

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Speaker 3: Totally do that tell I Heart gives Elizabeth the show

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Speaker 3: about dogs anyway.

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Speaker 2: So I got I got the idea to like my

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to have my feelings started Elizabeth like.

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Speaker 2: To spin this off. I found this column did you

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Speaker 2: tell you about this producer? With me in the shower

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Speaker 2: talking to myself. It's not for public.

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Speaker 3: Gone for a couple of weeks to come back, Like

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about a news show, not with you. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: just with dogs. They make me happy, unlike someone else

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Speaker 2: I got that idea because I found a column in

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Speaker 2: the Cedar Rapids Gazette in nineteen thirty six. Oh, it's

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Speaker 2: called Tales of Real Dogs by Albert Payson Tohoun. Not

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Speaker 2: I know they blew it. So then I looked and

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Speaker 3: Anyway, showing to like Sherry the Night Nurse, those types

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Speaker 2: Night Nurse. Yeah, sorry, no, but I love that kind

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Speaker 3: Dogs of those like French books with yes very much.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so Turhun. He was a writer and a dog breeder.

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Speaker 2: He had a place called Sunnybank Kennels where he bred

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Speaker 3: That's what I was wondering this.

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Speaker 2: His estate, Sunny Bank, was in Wayne, New Jersey. Originally

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Speaker 2: it was his family's summer home. Like ooh, bloody Doozylady dogs.

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Speaker 2: It's open to the public now and visitors like you

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Speaker 2: about his like prolific writing output. So aside from Real

442
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 2: Tales of Real Dogs, which is the book, he also

443
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 2: wrote more than thirty novels about dogs. He's worse than.

444
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 3: Are the dogs, the protagonists and the antagonist just a

445
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 3: world of dogs.

446
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,959
Speaker 2: Well I'm like, ah, and then I like when I'm

447
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 2: scanning his Wikipedia page, and then because I scan, and

448
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 2: then I came to this line about the content of

449
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 2: his novels. Quote Tarhun is now often criticized for his

450
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 2: starkly racist depictions of the minorities, kill people, and so

451
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 2: called quote half breeds that peopled parts of northern New

452
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 2: Jersey less idealized than sunny banks.

453
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 3: O my god, Oh he had swarthy dogs.

454
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 2: Let's go back to dog stories that don't contain stark

455
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 2: racist Okay, this one is.

456
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 3: About a dog with a job using dogs.

457
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: Terrible. So this one, this is a dog with a job.

458
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 2: It's a black and white spits named Renee dog.

459
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 3: So good.

460
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 2: Are you familiar with the spits? I familiar with Renee,

461
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: intimately familiar. Not like that bits is kind of like

462
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 2: halfway between a Pomeranian and a samoid, like the little

463
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 2: Puffball time.

464
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 3: I know that one that's like this like lap dog.

465
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 2: It's very much lap dog. And then a samoid is

466
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:23,959
Speaker 2: like almost a husky.

467
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: Okay, that was the other yea puffy fox.

468
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 2: It's like in the face, like super thick and fluffed

469
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 2: out coats.

470
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking about.

471
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 2: So Renee, Renee belonged to Emil Circo, so New Jersey,

472
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 2: Jersey City in New Jersey, right, and New Jersey in

473
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 2: the thirties, right, So you shouldn't be surprised that there's

474
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 2: gambling this story. So we've talked before about the numbers games.

475
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 3: Yes, we explained it.

476
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 2: All numbers games are also called policy games. And so

477
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 2: the police in Jersey City, they were trying to track

478
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: down the policy slips from the game, like the little

479
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 2: slips paper. Emil Circo was a suspect. So one day,

480
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 2: Circo and Renee going for a walk down by the

481
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: Central Railroad yards, as you do.

482
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 3: That's right, I would take a good.

483
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: Walk and the cop perfect. The cops showed up to

484
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: talk to him, and Renee just books it. She's like

485
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: out of here. She didn't want any mess with the police.

486
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: She walked home briskly. Circo stuck around he was not

487
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 2: going to run. So the police they're certain that he's

488
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 2: the one selling the policy slips to employees at the

489
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 2: rail yard, but they search him, they don't find any slips.

490
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: As they were searching him, one of the detectives looks

491
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 2: over watching Renee leg at home and notices that she's

492
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: wearing this really elaborate harness. And he's standing there wistfully

493
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 2: staring at Renee, all I hate to see your go,

494
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 2: but I love to see your walk away. And then

495
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 2: the other detectives were like, god, man, what's wrong with

496
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: stop it? But the harness it was an expensive one

497
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 2: detective he followed the dog homes like no, no, no, no,

498
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: you stay here. We'll send someone else, and they went

499
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: to pick Renee up. Literally Renee bites the.

500
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 3: Detective on first one out, but.

501
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: In picking her up, he uncovered her secret strapped to

502
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: the harness. Just beneath her stomach was a leather pouch

503
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 2: and in that pouch the policy slip.

504
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 3: Of course, yeah, Bernard, but for gambling ran.

505
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 2: The paper with like all the numbers on it. So

506
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about CIRCO. But Renee has arrested and

507
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 2: she jailed for quote aiding in a betting, a gambling.

508
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 3: Running the numbers.

509
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: So I don't know if this is true, a literal

510
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: numbers runner. I was this was part of that newspaper

511
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: column of like real stories or real dog. Okay, I

512
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 2: don't know if it's true. I could not find any

513
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: mention of Emil Circo in any newspaper outside of the

514
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: mention of that syndicated column one. Either way, though, it's

515
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: a good, ridiculous story.

516
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 3: It's amazing. What if that's his only mention in newspapers?

517
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 5: And then.

518
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: Otherwise and unremarkable?

519
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 3: Ever know of Emial circle? Is it his dog is

520
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 3: more interesting than him?

521
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 2: Raise an imaginary glass to circle. Here's another one for you.

522
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: Eighteen eighty seven there was a guy named Frank Golden

523
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: in Brooklyn. Yeah, and he was described in the papers

524
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: as quote an elderly but muscular man.

525
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: Oo.

526
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so tell me more so. One day he went

527
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: to court for a.

528
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 3: Warrant Popajack Lane.

529
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: Totally for the arrest of a dog owned by a

530
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 2: grocer named Harrington.

531
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 3: Harrington the grocery.

532
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Harrington owned the grocery store down the block from him. Sure,

533
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: so the court clerk was shocked. Well, all this is

534
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 2: highly unusual, and he's like, you know, you got to

535
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 2: go talk to the judge. So this is the story

536
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 2: that Golden told to the judge, as recounted by the

537
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 2: press quote. I got up yesterday morning about five o'clock

538
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 2: and told my wife that I would go and make

539
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: the fire, but winking slyly, it was a ball that

540
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 2: I was going to wake for. When I go to

541
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: Harrington's groceries, I dropped the handkerchief and the cellar and

542
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: went down after it. I had no sooner got down

543
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 2: than a big savage dog sprang at me. I fought

544
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: him by the scruff of the neck, and lifting him up,

545
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 2: gave him a poke in the face. The beasts yelled

546
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: and bit my hand. I let him go and he

547
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 2: seized me by the trousers. Then I grabbed up a

548
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: bale stick and I beat him into submission. I left

549
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: the place at once. A friend met me on the street,

550
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: and when I told him what was the matter with

551
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 2: my hand, he told me I ought to have that

552
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: dog arrested. That's what I'm here for right now. So

553
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: let's get this straight. He lies to his wife that

554
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 2: he's going to go get the fire going, but instead

555
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: is dipping out to have an affair, like, am I

556
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: understanding that?

557
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 3: Yeah?

558
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 2: He then drawed like I'm gonna go have a quote

559
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: ball and then he winks all or. He then drops

560
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: his handkerchief in the basement of a grocery store.

561
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 3: I from the outside, goes through the loading grounds, you know, right,

562
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: and then a.

563
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: Dog attacked him, and he wants the dog arrested the

564
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: guard dog who was guarding.

565
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 3: Uh huh, he went, so anyway, how is the dog's

566
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 3: working his job?

567
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

568
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 3: Right, maybe you should not be having affairs and go

569
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 3: around places but you don't belong.

570
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 2: There's no word on what the judge ruled, and I'm

571
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: guessing there was no warrant. But this ding dong, now

572
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,239
Speaker 2: his wife sees the paper like he still doesn't come

573
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: back from saying he's gonna start the fire in the kitchen. Okay,

574
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: how about this one?

575
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: He didn't start the far higher.

576
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: How a guy named Daniel Dellitt and his dog they

577
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: got arrested in Atlantic City in nineteen twenty three.

578
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: A lot of New Jersey based dog crimes say like

579
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 3: the you know.

580
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: Early nineteen hundreds. Here's a short blurb in the paper

581
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: about it with this most poetic verbiage cheez quote. The

582
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: dog was sober when he was locked up, and the

583
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: man was sober when he was released after the payment

584
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: of a fine of seven dollars and fifty cents. The

585
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: dog was not fined since I this drunken dog. Since

586
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: I can't give you a historical money figure without converting

587
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: it to current dollars. Seven fifteen nineteen twenty three is

588
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: the same as one hundred and thirty eight bucks today. Yeah,

589
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: so drunk out with your dogles, you gotta pay something.

590
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: That the stories I've told you since the last break,

591
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: they all had in common aside from dogs, is vices

592
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: and New Jersey. And that leads me to a big

593
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: dog prosecution of vices. Prohibition. Oh right, So dogs played

594
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: a big part in prohibition because the government trained dogs

595
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: to sniff out illegal stills totally. I mean kind of

596
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: like we have drug sniffing.

597
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: Dogs, the original drug sniffing dogs.

598
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: They could sniff out the stills like in the mountains

599
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: or in basements. Humans probably could too because it stinks.

600
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: But they could also sniff out stashed booze in.

601
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 3: Bottles totally like kuldaver dogs in underground and they can

602
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 3: from a distance, like a.

603
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: Black agents would turn the dogs loose to alert whatever

604
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: bathtub gin or like illicit whiskey someone might have stashed somewhere.

605
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: Where You're looking for the moonshiners and.

606
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: You think their rum bones. But then there are dogs

607
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: on the other side of the law, crimer dogs, bootlegs.

608
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: So let me give you these examples. Ring and Red.

609
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: I love dog duos like Emperor Norton's dogs Bummer and Lazarus.

610
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 2: I want two dogs, and I want them to be

611
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: named Willie and Whalen. Oh yeah, let's make that happen. Okay, So,

612
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: but Ring and Red, Red and Ring. The headline in

613
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: the Anniston Star out of Aniston, Alabama, Thursday, January fifth,

614
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty two read Ring and Red are held for moonshining.

615
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: If convicted in federal court, they will be barred from Shelby.

616
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: Like these are dogs, dude, there's two hound dogs and

617
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: they're going to be barred from the county. So prohibition

618
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: officers they took in five men from Shelby County, Alabama.

619
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Speaker 2: They took him in for busted them for distilling, and

620
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: then they also picked up the two pops. The men

621
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: get put into county jail Ring and Red were prisoners

622
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: at the home of NL Pierce, federal prohibition agent for

623
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: the district.

624
00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: He's under house arrest.

625
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: He said, quote they're just ordinary hounds, but they are

626
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: typical moonshiners. They can't get away from the business. It

627
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: gets into their blood, just like it gets into the

628
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: blood of the men. And they like the risk of

629
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: it as well as any part of the game. And

630
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: what was more, they know a revenue twice as quick

631
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: as the man who distills the whiskey.

632
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: Are you serious, serious?

633
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: He continues, Quote Red is a big, fine dog, just

634
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: the color of his name. His dark eyes are filled

635
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: with intelligence and spirit. And when he lifts up his

636
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: head showing his long, slender throat, barks, you can imagine

637
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: standing on guard on the outskirts of thick woods just

638
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: about dusk. At the sound of his barking, you can

639
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: imagine men in the dease part of the woods hastily

640
00:31:54,680 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: concealingists from and make it a quick getaway. But the

641
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: dog does not run. He stays and faces the danger

642
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: of guns and men to protect the lawbreakers.

643
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 3: I wish I loved anything as much as this.

644
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: Loves this dog. Peers loves Red I feel like he's

645
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: gonna adopt him, or maybe.

646
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 3: He's like he's happiness again.

647
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: It's like the cops that get totally enamored of the

648
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: smart criminals they taste is like, oh, the pillowy lips

649
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: of this dog. Apparently the dogs were trained so that

650
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: like one bark meant one thing and another bark meant

651
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: another to like signal to the Moonshiner's paper was in

652
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: love with the dogs too. Here's what they had to say. Quote,

653
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: the dogs supply the thrills of real Moonshine tails, for

654
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: they show up not only the bravest and most fearless side,

655
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: but also a romantic phase of love and loyalty, just

656
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: like dog. Here's Pierce Chi Pierce chimes in again, quote,

657
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: it looked almost as if the poor fellow was crying

658
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: yesterday when we took him away from the man. We

659
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: had to put handcuffs in the guys of strong ropes

660
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: around their necks to get them in the automobile yesterday.

661
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: But once they were under arrest, they showed themselves to

662
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: be good sports but not growling. Red is an old offender.

663
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: But this is the first time we've been able to

664
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: lay hands on them. He ought to get about three

665
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: years and after he is reformed, we're never gonna let

666
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: him get in the way of temptation again. We are

667
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: gonna keep him out of Shelby County for life. Ring

668
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 2: is fairly new with the game in six months. Ought

669
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: to be enough for his first offense. Ring is like

670
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: the PostScript, it's all about Red. But like they're talking

671
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: about real time.

672
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: I was here too.

673
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the also round. But here's here's my favorite

674
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: thing of all. I found a development. Yes, so they

675
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: were mentioned again in the newspapers in nineteen thirty seven.

676
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: How long after it was twenty two.

677
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking. I'm like, this is a

678
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 3: good stretch.

679
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: So if this is amazing and it's just the weirdest,

680
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: I need to read you the whole article. It's a

681
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: short one.

682
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: Please.

683
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: Two dogs help scientists build finer dog food. What travelers

684
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: returning from New Guinea smile as they recall the favorite

685
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 2: dishes of the Papawin natives, sardines, salmon, and dog food

686
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: in the order named Ring and Red. Two experimental dogs

687
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 2: here in our United States joined with Papuans in praising

688
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: prepared dog food, but without the sardines and salmon for

689
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: ten years, that's all they've had. Today, they are in

690
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: perfect health, and their chances for living to a quote

691
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: ripe old age seem far better than that of dogs

692
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: fed ordinary rations. In June nineteen twenty six, Ring and

693
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: Red were taken to the Purina Experimental Farm at Gray's Summit, Missouri,

694
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: a research plant where the constant testing of feeds for livestock, poultry,

695
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: and small animals as carried on. Ring and Red were

696
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: put into a pen and given their first meal of

697
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 2: what is called dog chow, a compressed checker form of

698
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: feed containing a balanced ration of dried meat, dried milk,

699
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 2: cod liver, oil, cereals, vegetable fiber, molasses, and minerals once

700
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 2: a day, three hundred and sixty five days a year.

701
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 2: For the last ten years, Ring and Red have received

702
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 2: the same feed. With it, they get all the fresh

703
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 2: clean water they want summer and winter, and today they

704
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: are in quote top condition. Regular examinations show their teeth, gums,

705
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: hair and hide to be an excellent form. Brightness of

706
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 2: eye and sleekness of coat are other evidences of Rings

707
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 2: and Red's good health. For hundreds of years, dogs only

708
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: got table scraps and a bone. A day later, prepared

709
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 2: dog feeds were introduced to help careful dog owners to

710
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: balance out their pet's diet. Ring and Red were two

711
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: of the cooperating agents who helped in the development of

712
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: modern dog feeds.

713
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 3: So they were the o G dog chow testers.

714
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: Yes, they were started it.

715
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: They were there when dog food was invented.

716
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 2: So they got busted.

717
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 3: It's wild. Did you think about it, because we were

718
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 3: talking about this just recently, totally unrelated. When when did

719
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: dog food stop being just your table scraps and your

720
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 3: kitchen scraps. He was right in a place a year

721
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: nineteen twenty seven.

722
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: Red Red, and they get sent one hundred years we've

723
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 2: had dog food sent up for moonshine and then said

724
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: you can't come back.

725
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 3: To Shelby Can exactly revenue and dogs they.

726
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 2: Send in Missouri and they're I mean, this is just

727
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: like I love them. I love them.

728
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 3: That is insane. Also, how long they lived, I mean,

729
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 3: that's that's not young for a dog.

730
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: No, it's amazing. So Red Ring hero dogs, many levels, bootleggers,

731
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: Red fathers of modern dog food. Let's take a break,

732
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: we come back. I got more.

733
00:36:53,080 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 6: Dogs Elizabeth Darren, you know, Darren, Sit down, I want

734
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 6: to talk to you about something.

735
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 3: I'm already seated. Come over here, top, standing on my fro.

736
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 2: Back in the room. There are a lot of ways

737
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 2: that dogs can get arrested, many of them weirdly involved transportation.

738
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Nineteen twenty five NYC, New York City, a

739
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: Docson got arrested Big Pineapple, the Windy Pineapple. A taxi

740
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: driver named Frank Papa.

741
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: Okay.

742
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: He brought up the pop to the West forty seventh

743
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 2: Street station, handed him over to Lieutenant.

744
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: Barney mcgow They call me Frank Papa.

745
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Papa told him in like the best Law and

746
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 2: Order episode Cold Open ever quote he got on my

747
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: cab Central Park West in eighty ninth Street. If he

748
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: walks down the street, he suddenly jumped off and boarded

749
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 2: another cab. I couldn't stand for that, and I objected

750
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: to the driver. He told me to take him if

751
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: I wanted him here. He is I'm chipped enough by

752
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 2: men and women at dogs too much. So right, and

753
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 2: he's going to.

754
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: Keep walking all your time trying to keep up.

755
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: I love a good taxi hoping dog. They wound up

756
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 2: taking the dog to the SPCA, which is better than

757
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: I would have imagined at the time.

758
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: Definitely.

759
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: A couple of years earlier, in Iowa City, a man's

760
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: dog was arrested for constantly quote bumming rides the cars constantly. Yeah,

761
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: the dog would like leap into passing cars. No, he

762
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: would leap into the cars and then jump out when

763
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: they got to where he wanted to go. And like

764
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: that was until yeah, and then one day, like he

765
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: jumps in the guy's car and he's like, oh no, no, no, no,

766
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: he just drove them to the police station. Nineteen thirty four,

767
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: two dogs got arrested in Adelaide, Australia for chasing cars.

768
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 2: They were just they were like really great cattle dogs

769
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: who were just trying to like round up traffic, no seriously,

770
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 2: and the cops picked them up and they tied them

771
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: to the jail cell bars and then they eventually solved

772
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: the problem by shipping them off to farms that were

773
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: like fifty miles from the city so they couldn't come back.

774
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: And they tried, because at first they tried to place

775
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 2: the dogs with homes in towns, but they kept escaping

776
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: and chasing cars and traffic like giant sheep. So the

777
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: happy ending. This is a happy ending where dogs actually

778
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: were literally sent to farms out in the country. And

779
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 2: it wasn't a euphemism. Oh yeah, yeah, it's good. Speaking

780
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: of chases, there's a pretty wild one involving a dog

781
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 2: in Chicago in nineteen oh seven. You can see that

782
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: seven oh seven. I've spent a lot of time on

783
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 2: newspapers time, yes, but the dog wasn't doing the chasing.

784
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,479
Speaker 2: I'll read you the blurb quote. Daniel, an Irish setter

785
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: well known in canine society circles on the South Side,

786
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: although alleged by the police to be an ex convict

787
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: from the pound, is locked in a cell at the

788
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: Lawn police station. He's charged with highway robbery. The dog

789
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: was arrested by policeman Murdoch after a long chase, during

790
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: which several shots were fired. It said the fugitive put

791
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: up a desperate battle. It's charged that Daniel held up

792
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 2: and robbed Bessie Andrews, fourteen years old, of ten to

793
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: fifteen sixtieth Street of a two pound sir loin steak.

794
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: This man chased a dog overstak and shot at him

795
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: and missed.

796
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: Boo boo. Anyway, someone has some problems with their emotions.

797
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: A little bit. So we've had also trying to be.

798
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 3: Like the hero, you know, like captain, like save at steak,

799
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: or it's like no.

800
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: He turns it into a funny anecdote rather than like

801
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 2: unnecessary discharge of a firearm. Yeah, so we got you know,

802
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: we had a bunch of dogs that got pinched, and

803
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: sometimes they go down with their masters. Double bust. There's

804
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: this guy in Kansas City in nineteen fifteen. He got

805
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: arrested for drunken public Sam Nichols was his name. He

806
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 2: was picked up at the corner of twelfth and Grand

807
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: with his dog, who was unnamed pecked his privacy. Nichols

808
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: told the sergeant quote, search my dog first. We're all

809
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: equally guilty in one. I want to be locked up together. Yeah, brother,

810
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: even better. Double bus though occurred in nineteen forty six

811
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 2: in Rochester, New York. Let me give you his some

812
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: historical back. So the employees of the city's public works

813
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: department wanted to unionize, and in response to this, the

814
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: city manager, a piece of filth named Louis B. Cartwright.

815
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: He fired four hundred and eighty nine workers damn. Yeah,

816
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,439
Speaker 2: then he turned around and hired nine. He turned around

817
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: and he hired replacements under a private contract. So this

818
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: caused serious problems. The teamsters told independent haulers that if

819
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: they picked up those contracts, they'd be breaking their union contracts.

820
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 2: So things started just grinding to a halt. Most of

821
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 2: the lost jobs were in machine maintenance and street repair.

822
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: But like the chilling, action was a call to arms

823
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: to all the other city departments. So like first the

824
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: garbage men joined up, then the water supply guys. There

825
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: was like this newly formed AFL Local Federation of State,

826
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: County and municipal employees. They sprang into action. So they

827
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: started setting up picket lines at all the public work

828
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: stations across the city. So this caused the cops to

829
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: be sent out to keep an eye on the strikers,

830
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: which closed off the streets, which prevented other city workers

831
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 2: from doing their jobs. It was a mess. No trash pickups,

832
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: projects abandon no one's crossing any picket lines.

833
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 3: Problem.

834
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so every day more picketers would show up, those

835
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: who lost their jobs, and then those who just joined

836
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: in solidarity. There's this growing labor movement in Rochester at

837
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: the time. And support for the union among the people

838
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: in town is really strong. So on Monday, May twentieth,

839
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,479
Speaker 2: Labor called for a mass demonstration at Washington Square Park

840
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: and that initiated round the clock picketing, opening twenty four

841
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: hour headquarters on West Main, organizing house to house canvassing

842
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: for informational purposes. Tuesday morning, first the picketing workers were arrested.

843
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: Cops rounded up fifty four picketers even though they were

844
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: on private property with the owner's permission, across the street

845
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: from this Dewey garage versus a city garage. So they

846
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 2: got charged with disorderly conduct on private property on private property,

847
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: including heckling the police. One detective, a true legal scholar,

848
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: later testified that he thought, quote, booing was a crime. Yeah,

849
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: I know how Yeah, so bail not liking me should

850
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: be illegal.

851
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 3: I'm delightful.

852
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 2: I am an absolute joy. I need to be celebrated,

853
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 2: tell him, honey. So the bail was set at one

854
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: hundred dollars for each picketer and it was posted by

855
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: the Central Trades and Labor Council. Oh wow, okay, so

856
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: from Rochester Jail union leaders they were started threatening a

857
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: citywide strikes. You're getting real Zarin close. Yes, I want

858
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 2: you to picture it. So It's early in the morning

859
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: on Thursday May in nineteen forty six. You are Charles Teeter,

860
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: a forty six year old garbage man for the city

861
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: of Rochester. For the last ten years, your dog Tippy

862
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: has been by your side. He's there when you eat

863
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: your breakfast. He goes with you to work, rides with

864
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: you on the garbage wagon all day as you do

865
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: your rounds and keep the city streets clean and beautiful.

866
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: He goes back home with you after a long day.

867
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: He sits at your feet as you eat dinner and

868
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: then settle into your chair to listen to the radio.

869
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: He curls up on the floor at the foot of

870
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: your bed as you go to sleep at night, resting

871
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: your body for the day of honest work ahead of you.

872
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: Both you and Tippy like your job. You're proud of

873
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: the work you do, the right livelihood of it, and

874
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: you know that your work is valuable. You use your

875
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: body at the service of your community and that should

876
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: be properly compensated. It's been a while since you got

877
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 2: a raise and things aren't getting any cheaper. You just

878
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: want to be paid what you're worth and when you

879
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: express this, you lost your job. So now you're headed

880
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 2: to the picket line. Having garbage removed is something people

881
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: take for granted until it's stops, and when it stops,

882
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: everything gets really gross, really quickly. So tensions are high

883
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: here in front of the Dewey Street Public work station.

884
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 7: This morning.

885
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: You and Tippy approached the station to collect your sign

886
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: and start walking the line. You don't see any cops.

887
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: This is weird because you were told they had tried

888
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: running drills and formations in front of the demonstrators yesterday

889
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 2: and had arrested a good number of folks. But this

890
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: is worth getting arrested for the dignity of work supersedes

891
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: the indignity of incarceration. You head over to the organizing

892
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: table and you get a signed to carry. People mill

893
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 2: around and talk about the strike, but they also chatter

894
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: about Brooklyn beating Chicago yesterday and thirteen innings. Tippy's right

895
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: by your side, tail wagging. People stop to pet her

896
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: or handle the occasional piece of bread. She's loving this.

897
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: As you and the other strikers formed the picket line

898
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: in front of the Dewey Street station, you hear a commotion.

899
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: You look down the block and you see three hundred

900
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: cops moving your way in formation. Tippy lets out a

901
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: low grow us in order to disperse, but you have

902
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: every right to be there. Your organizers tell you to

903
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: hold the line, but be respectful and stay peaceful. The

904
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: march of the police issue boots on the pavement grows closer.

905
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: It's not just you and the workers and Tippy out there.

906
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 2: People are walking and biking by on their way to work.

907
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: Pedestrians try to weave between the workers and the approaching police,

908
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: just wanting to stay out of the way. Suddenly, police

909
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 2: wagons roll up and a Melian sues. You are all

910
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 2: about to be arrest. Sirens waiale. People shout. There are

911
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: scuffles and dropped posts and shoes skittting on the pavement.

912
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 2: You see a school teacher on her way to teach

913
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: the youth get scooped up and thrown in the back

914
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 2: of a police wagon. A plumber on his way to

915
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: work is he yanked into a cop car. And then

916
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: there's you and Tippy. You don't want the police to

917
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: accuse her of biting someone, and you don't want her

918
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: to get trampled, so you give her a nod, and

919
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: she jumps up in your arms, and it's then that

920
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: you feel a hard grip on your upper arm as

921
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: a uniformed police officer pulls you and Tippy aside and

922
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: shoves you in the back of a police cruiser. You

923
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: have your arms wrapped around her, your face nuzzled into

924
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: the back of her head, and you sit in the

925
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: back of the police car. An officer peeks in at

926
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: you through the back window. Amused to have a dog

927
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: swept up in all this? You look up and a

928
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 2: flashbulb goes off in your face. A photographer from the

929
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: Democrat and Eagle newspaper has snapped your picture, and tomorrow

930
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: it will be in the papers. You and Tippy have

931
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: been arrested. You're taken to the city jail, where you're

932
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: both booked, and another photographer takes a picture of the

933
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 2: pickets behind bars, including Tippy. Canine Human solidarity at its finest, Yes.

934
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 3: For the people and for the dogs.

935
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 2: Two hundred and eight people were arrested that day.

936
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 3: Oh wow mass.

937
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: It was the largest mass arrest in the city's history,

938
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 2: and there is a picture of all of them behind

939
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 2: bars and Tippy behind bars. Two more and more groups

940
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: joined the movement and a workers hero another great dog

941
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: name All right, now I need another dog named Tippy.

942
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 3: So one name Canoe, and one name Tyler, and Tyler too,

943
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: got it.

944
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: So more and more groups they're joining up in this movement.

945
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: And then more than a week later, talks with the

946
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 2: city started to fall apart and a general strike was called.

947
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 2: Twenty four hours after that, a deal was reached so

948
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: all the discharge workers were reinstated. All charges were dropped

949
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: against the picketers, including Tippy. Nice exact, the right of

950
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 2: city workers to organize a union and choose representatives to

951
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: bargain with the city administration was recognized.

952
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 3: Nice union, real well done, Tippy zarn.

953
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: What's your ridiculous takeaway that.

954
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 3: A dog is one of our great heroes of the

955
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 3: labor movement and I'm just learning about it right now?

956
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: What's your ridiculous takeaway, Elizabeth? I need so many dogs,

957
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 3: not enough dogs.

958
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 2: Most I've had it one time as four four, only four,

959
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 2: and that's a difficult balance.

960
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. I thought you actually crossed for for some reason.

961
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 3: I thought you got into fu.

962
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Maybe I'm forgetting No, I think

963
00:48:58,760 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: it's four.

964
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 3: But yeah, but they would pass away and replace one,

965
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 3: so that way the more of a constant. And it

966
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 3: was always lots of numbers.

967
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah it's weird. One will show up and then the

968
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 2: other one passes. Yeah there's like weird over last.

969
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 3: Yeah totally.

970
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 2: But yeah, I need a dog.

971
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 3: The point is is possibly to do you know what

972
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 3: else I need?

973
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: I think you need and I need Willy whaling and

974
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: now I need Tippy. You need three dogs?

975
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 3: Can I recommend a shotgun? Willy? Is the name? Shotgun

976
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 3: Willy and wal? I like that. Just let's let's come on, Nick,

977
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 3: How great would be if you go into a bat

978
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 3: and they're on the board is like shotgun.

979
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: You board dogs? But my old but yeah, they put

980
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 2: all like who's there for the day?

981
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 3: Don't you want to have that?

982
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: I do Shotgun, Willy, Whalen and Tippy.

983
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 3: Exactly, Elizabeth.

984
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: I needed, I need dogs. I also I need to

985
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: talk back?

986
00:49:46,120 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 8: Okay o, God, I like, Hi, I'm Kit.

987
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 7: I'm that first suit maker who commented that they happened

988
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 7: to be making a first suit when listening to The

989
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 7: Rain first episode. I want to let you know that

990
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 7: I finished both suits. I was working on my partner

991
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 7: and I went to our first furry convention this past

992
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 7: weekend at Anthrocon in Pittsburgh, And on the way there,

993
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 7: I made my partner listen to The Rain first episode

994
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 7: and when we were at the convention, they kept going,

995
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 7: I'm quirky, I'm unique, and I feel like that's a

996
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 7: win in my book.

997
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I win all the way around.

998
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've pulled me over to finding this incredibly endearing.

999
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 2: There you go, so I support you. That's awesome.

1000
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 3: You can always find a way through the people, not

1001
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 3: through the ideas.

1002
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: You can be QUARKI Yeah, you guys are cool. Yeah,

1003
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 2: I'll give you they are.

1004
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: You pull me now, you pulled their around.

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00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 2: You see that not all frees. Those frees are cool.

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