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Speaker 1: I'm wearing the bright blue so that you can't miss me.

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Speaker 1: That's now, that's an image. True story, true story. I

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Speaker 1: believe somewhere in the top six. We're only in the

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Speaker 1: five somewhere in their top six players the Jaguars draft

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Speaker 1: that they will do something along the lines of having

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Speaker 1: two of those spots at speed. Er Meyer talked about

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Speaker 1: playing fast. He talked about speed. You know, they want

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Speaker 1: to be more explosive than they have been. They really

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Speaker 1: didn't do that that much in free agency. Uh Philip Dorset, yes,

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Speaker 1: is a speed guy. But if they really want to

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Speaker 1: add young speed at Tienna thirty three, Rondel Moore at

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest More scares me a little bit. That

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Speaker 1: size is a little scary to me, but the speed

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Speaker 1: is unbelievable, So he makes sense. At some point, I

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Speaker 1: think you got to get a tight end so brevn

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Speaker 1: Jordan and Miami at number sixty five. But yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: where I sort of diverge a little bit from Brian.

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Speaker 1: Defensive tackle this year is such a strange position in

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Speaker 1: the draft that I just wonder if they will be

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Speaker 1: able to address in the top sixty five. It's if

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Speaker 1: it's not bar More, you wonder who it is. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you wait and try to develop that with a third

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Speaker 1: or fourth round guy. Yeah, I totally agree. When we

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Speaker 1: get that guy in the first round, is it worth

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Speaker 1: making a pick in doing that? Yeah? And you have

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Speaker 1: to decide is the best defensive tackle just because he's

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Speaker 1: a good player compared to this class, is he worth

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Speaker 1: that sort of value? Absolutely? All right? Time for my

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Speaker 1: my opinion, real quick, go ahead. I'm just gonna say

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Speaker 1: there are three. There are three defensive tackles. The kid

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Speaker 1: from Alabama, the kid from Iowa, and the kid from Washington.

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Speaker 1: I think all three of them belong in the top

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Speaker 1: forty five. I think they're all three good players. So

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's overreaching. Uh. If one of those

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Speaker 1: three players is there, we'll see all right. Time for

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Speaker 1: my mock draft. And like John said, could there is

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Speaker 1: Tony sliding? I think he slides today two and the

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Speaker 1: Jaguars get him in the second round. I'm I'm with

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Speaker 1: Brian at going lineback around. I just picked a different guy.

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Speaker 1: But I could first see that happening because, like we said,

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Speaker 1: I thought you skipped that because you didn't want to

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Speaker 1: say the kids name. I did see that. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: want to say because I'm so nervous I'm gonna messed

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Speaker 1: it up. And then I have safety at forty five

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Speaker 1: know sounds unrealistic, but with the run at quarterbacks, I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking maybe a position like more and more you see

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Speaker 1: him sliding to that point, it might be possibility. And

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Speaker 1: that would be a huge one if they were able

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Speaker 1: to get him in the third round. So there you

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Speaker 1: have it. People don't listen to us, but we thought,

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Speaker 1: you know what, maybe someone will and they'll take these

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Speaker 1: Some NFL headlines for you, and no surprise, it's very

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Speaker 1: quarterback Centrick This week, Sam Donald, a Carolina Panther Teddy

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Speaker 1: Bridgewater has permission now request a trade. He was with

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Speaker 1: Carolina and now all signs point towards the New York

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Speaker 1: Jets drafting Zach Wilson. You and I were talking about

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Speaker 1: this the other day when we said, this was almost

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Speaker 1: the only way this could go. You couldn't have Sam

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Speaker 1: Donald in New York and have Zach Wilson come in.

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Speaker 1: That would have just been messy. They had again him out,

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Speaker 1: and it seems like this is a pretty good trade

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Speaker 1: for both sides. Well, I know Sam Donald's happy with it.

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Speaker 1: The uncertainty around his situation. I think he said yesterday,

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Speaker 1: maybe it was the day before that. You know, he

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Speaker 1: was drafted third overall, thought he would play twenty years

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Speaker 1: in New York and be the guy who lifted that franchise.

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Speaker 1: And over the last two years on a bad roster.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's just be completely clear about this. There

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Speaker 1: was nothing around him whatsoever. He had no chance for success.

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Speaker 1: So now at least he gets a chance to go

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Speaker 1: down to work with the with Matt Rule and Joe Brady,

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Speaker 1: who are two very strong football minds. The roster needs

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Speaker 1: work in Carolina. But this is a guy, you know,

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Speaker 1: big body, big arm uh, smart cat, you know, a

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Speaker 1: guy who knows how to play. We'll see if he

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Speaker 1: can rejuvenate his career or if you know, he becomes

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Speaker 1: like a lot of other highly drafted quarterbacks that don't

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Speaker 1: pay it out and just kind of fades away. Fresh

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Speaker 1: start for Sam Donald with the Carolina Panthers. And now

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Speaker 1: we go to the other side of the spectrum, which

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Speaker 1: is Aaron Rodgers in green Bay. John Is that still

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Speaker 1: holds me up. Last year with Green Bay trading up

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Speaker 1: to get that quarterback, they could have gotten another weapon

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Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers, a wide receiver, a tight end to

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Speaker 1: make it to the playoff. They don't make it all

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Speaker 1: the way you make the argument with that one guy

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Speaker 1: made a difference. It's it's sticky in Green Bay right now.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm naive. I can't believe that the Packers and

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers won't figure out a way for him to

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Speaker 1: finish his career there. And but as soon as I

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Speaker 1: say that, I get that Tom Brady didn't finish his

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Speaker 1: career in New England. But it just feels like they

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Speaker 1: are not gonna want to repeat up there of Brett

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Speaker 1: Farve leaving and then having to coast and sort of

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Speaker 1: come back and re embrace after the career. Right now,

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Speaker 1: Aon Rodgers is still too good, you know. I just

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Speaker 1: can't imagine them not keeping him for his career. No,

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Speaker 1: I agree. Maybe they just chalk it up as that,

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Speaker 1: what if Jeopardy offers him a lifetime contract, maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: you could do it in the off season, imbalance it

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Speaker 1: and it would be the best of both worlds. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know, if you're Aaron Rodgers and someone, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna guess he would make as much doing Jeopardy as

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Speaker 1: he would playing football at some point. Right, Jeopardy doesn't

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Speaker 1: beat your body up, just your mind. There you go. Alright,

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Speaker 1: Houston Texans, it's looking more and more like the Shawn

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Speaker 1: Watson might not be playing football this upcoming season. This

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Speaker 1: investigation is going on and we don't know what to

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Speaker 1: make of it. So let's say, for this argument that

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson is not into Houston, and that would mean

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Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor most likely is the guy Brian does. Does

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Speaker 1: that scare you? Are you okay with that indifference? No?

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Speaker 1: There there There are people who covered the Texans and

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Speaker 1: people in the national media who have used the term

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Speaker 1: expansion roster um. No J J. Watt. Uh. You know

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Speaker 1: a lot of those players on the defensive side that

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Speaker 1: were so formidable for so many years have gotten older. Uh,

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Speaker 1: They have no draft picks before the six pick. I

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Speaker 1: believe nothing in the first two rounds, and and their

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Speaker 1: cap is it's convoluted. So because you have a quarterback

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Speaker 1: who you don't I don't think anybody anticipates to Shaun

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Speaker 1: Watson playing football this year. There's just so many looming

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Speaker 1: issues for him to try to battle through. I I

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Speaker 1: don't know enough about it. I'm not on the legal

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Speaker 1: team or anything like that. I don't cover the Texans.

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Speaker 1: But the more I read about it, the more I think,

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Speaker 1: how's this guy going to play in the fall? So

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Speaker 1: I would think it would be Tyrod Taylor or maybe

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Speaker 1: they trade for uh trendy Teddy Bridgewater since the new

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether they can make that happen. It's

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Speaker 1: that was at the top of the division and they

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Speaker 1: have fallen off like that. It really is a stunning development. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can't see this turn around anytime soon fast the NFL,

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